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I don't think they can hear us. Oh, I know, can they? Yep, they can. The audio is coming through. They can. They can hear us. Oh, that's hilarious. No, they're only saying that because you're muted and discord. Like on the bot. Yeah. Yeah, hold on. I can hear you on YouTube live. They can hear you. That's amazing. It's our new podcast now. Yeah, yeah. We're hosting the podcast now. Hey guys, we're the new podcast host. What's up? How are you guys doing? Yeah. Okay, what can we talk about? Hello, I'm your friend. Can we talk about how Millennium Force is the worst giga coaster? Oh! Controversial take. Testing one, two, three. Oh. Okay, we're being told to introduce ourselves. Okay, yeah, let's introduce ourselves. Okay, Jacob, you go first. I'm taking control. Okay. Hi, my name is Jacob. I'm a fan of amusement insiders, as you guys can tell. And I like roller coasters. And my home park is Canada's Wonderland. Whoa. Hot take. K.M., what's yours? What's your introduction? Hi, my name is Am. I'm a fan of amusement insiders. A friend of Brendan, friend of the group. And excited to be here. And excited to be a part of all the excitement and the exciting stuff that's going on. And yeah, welcome to the podcast and hope you enjoy. I was kind of thinking for a second, you're going to do the exact same intro that Jacob had. Like the first few words are the same. I was like, no way. Okay, Ryan, you next. I must say I really enjoy this like group therapy intro setup that we have going on here. It's an A meeting. Yeah, it was addict synonymous. We're addicted to Canada's Wonderland. Anyways, I'm Ryan. I'm stupid. No. Okay, Ryan, continue. Yeah, Phoebe. What? I go to Canada's Wonderland quite a bit. I collect nano coasters and coaster cutouts. Can you show us one? Okay. Show us Leviathan. That's what I'm getting. The best drag. No. When I got a lot of FinChar intro though. No, I can't hear you in the YouTube live. I can hear everybody else, but I can't hear you. Yeah. That's cool, Ryan. Thank you. Okay. Who's next? Jasmine? Yes. You go next. Hello. I'm Jasmine. Some of you have been watching the channel, might know me already because I've been contributing off to amusement insiders since like 2018-ish. I now live in Florida, so I do a lot of content at the Disney parks, and I'm actually doing my first universal trip next week. That's me. I'm here. Hey. Hi. I just work at McDonald's. That's the whole thing? You just work at Don's? Yep. And I like the Cookie Witch. I don't have a webcam, so you're just going to do with this one photo, slightly moving up and down the whole thing. It's moving. What's your favorite part about Wonderland, Jake, that works at Don's? Probably Leviathan. Yeah. Wow. That's a good ride. Yeah. It goes like Leviathan, then Skyhawk, and then every other ride. I heard, yeah, it's pretty good. What's everyone's top three at the park? Leviathan, Yukon, and then Tundra. Yukon Striker, Yukon Striker, Yukon Striker. It's not even a quest. The thing with Ryan, he doesn't like the ride because the ride's good. He likes it because of the atmosphere. I like it because it is good. Leviathan is better in every aspect, mister. It has more airtime. It's faster. It's taller. Leviathan does not have a finale. What finale does Yukon have? A little toilet bowl. A toilet bowl. That's no helix. We're gone. We're talking to you. Come on. Can we talk? All right, Zeich. Let's see your top three at the park. Top three at the park? Okay. Leviathan, Yukon Striker, Vortex. All right, Jake. Jake. That was crazy. I think he's too busy fixing the ice cream machine right now. Ethan, then Skyhawk, then Mywhller. Party mode! Party mode. Have a you, Jasmine. Then probably Shockwave. Shockwave number four. I always have to stick up for the old rides, so I'm going to go with Vortex. for the old rides so I'm gonna go with vortex definitely drag of fire third one fire then I can't say mind buster because we're all now hoping that it gets plowed down for something new okay and have you got have you got in yours yeah I would have to say Leviathan Yukon and vortex I would have to go with that I can't give any love to behemoth anymore it I it's just not my thing anymore it feels like oh okay I haven't got my introduction yet let me introduce myself no one wants to hear about you no you hello my name is Zach that's about it I I have a distaste for Millennium Force and that's my entire personality right now Millie is a great ride yes but Millie is also the worst giga coaster you haven't been on my 305 the idea 5 is the only one I haven't been on and let's be honest there's no way it's worse how do you know that I don't like forces but who knows maybe maybe it is worse than Millie who knows okay so Zach worse in what way like what's wrong I mean I haven't been on Millennium Force so I can't speak but in your opinion what's worse about Millennium Force Jake that is a wonderful picture like what's worse the only in Baltimore image wait can you guys hear an echo though can I ask that is you hear any echo not to just we don't not us we have to ask you're good no no echo you okay cuz on my audio on my streaming software it's showing that there's an echo going to YouTube are you guys sure no there's no echo no damn the microphone's picking up air then yeah you guys how crisp is it very it's very clear clear isn't it a yeti of course it's gonna pick up air thing is so sensitive get out of here don't hate on me I am a blue yeti hater using one for years and I'm so happy to not have one anymore okay now that I let the riffraff except for Jasmine take over the discord call if you look at chat they were engaged are we riffraff I mean you can get your sound issues fixed I mean come on so yeah the what you're like vortex and we're all like a Leviathan in Yukon listen you're the Aero Suspended Coaster we're the SNS Axis Coaster yeah oh so we don't exist oh you know what here let me just do something really quickly oh man we're all getting bad are they gone for you guys you can't see them right and the voice we're just voices floating in the ether now all right I feel like okay so I'm debating like honestly I got off work at 9 p.m. I've been debating on what I should reveal and what I shouldn't reveal so basically to give a little more a little context I we found a lot of construction markings yesterday or the day before I can't remember now I think yesterday yeah yeah yes and then I was like you know what I bet you there's construction markings over in this area and lo and behold there were and lo and behold there were more than what I assumed it stretches even farther oh be careful we don't want to be canceled what's going on I think by Wonderland oh so we're gonna talk a bit about that but before we get into the Wing Launch Coaster I want to I want to talk about the GCI concept I had someone talk to me this morning about its location and the map actually fits perfectly and I wanted to show everyone it really quickly hopefully when I switch over here it works oh chat is he muted no we want my combustor gone this is a lovely map Brendan this is a very detailed map oh he's muted they can't hear you oh okay guys roundtables back okay so alright as I was saying before kindly interrupted by Brendan like Millennium Force no airtime no forces except for one element the speed is cool but that's about it the last little the speed it's yeah it's basically only good in the front row where you get a bunch of if there's a ride there's only good in one row you don't want to ride it it's like it's basically Millennium Forces if ride of steel was taller and faster right it sounds more airtime I see Ryan angry right now no it's just I just like rollercoasters I don't need to go oh my god the specific element it doesn't it doesn't do enough of this it doesn't do enough of this I just ride Millennium Force and I like it and I say it's good well I like posters that I am able to enjoy because they are cool he's like a chef he likes that deconstruct everything yeah I'm a chef oh thanks he's good he thinks he's Gordon Ramsay Brendan you don't look too happy in this dream oh they're just talking about things that I don't care about like Millennium Force guys wonderland wonderland guys okay back on topic and we hear oh yeah it works this isn't working or Brendan have you updated the discord invites if not I will just post it in chats because I don't have this court and I'm gonna everyone okay no one cares about this court right now no offense if you guys record links we need to stay on topic so this was proposed to me so okay to give a little context I know someone that works for their essentially a bylaw in Vaughn and when Wonderland proposed their hotel they had to amend the height restriction in this zone so what I was previously discussing about there being a no-build zone along this there is a no-build zone now until the road so the service road you see off to the left of the wooden coaster there they're not allowed to build up until there they are now allowed to build up to 94 feet in the air in the area up until the front of action theater all along there this is absolutely it like I don't know that I don't there's no question left in my mind I was still I was still caping for this yesterday when everyone was like but there's a height restriction I'm like but the rollercoaster is thin we can squeeze it in this little spot but now that's not even a thing I'm like for sure based on the the what's what I'm looking for not picture the mock-up that they had done this little map that you've drawn up which by the way highly professional yeah I actually I paid someone thousands of dollars to build this they're really cute too mad at that engineering experts yes super they went to school for many many years engineering is it engineering that like you you clearly put a little like gondola bridge like yeah what I mean is who he hired I think they got to go back to school no like and look at the go back to school and learn how to use MS paint you know what and okay so the good news is guys oh my god now I forgot their name the people that make those amazing coasters how did I forget their name escape design escape designs working escape designs is working on a launched wing coaster coming out of the mountain with the new information we found today along with working on this wooden coaster and I would like to predict that it's not gonna have the spiral lift hill and this was just thrown in there for a reason and then it's gonna be more along the lines of mystic timbers especially with what Ryan Ryan do you want to share what you you heard today oh yeah so apparently Zambezi zinger is having a bit of a rough time with its spiral lift particularly the tires they use apparently they're shedding like crazy and the trains are having trouble connecting so it's he it's seeming like they have some stuff they need to work out sounds like my Tinder dating profile oh nonetheless what was I gonna go with this yes I think that this was literally just thrown in there we're gonna see something more like mystic timbers still be a little more family oriented but I can't see them going with the spiral lift hill like that was designed specifically for that park because of a previous attraction was it not yes absolutely correct thank you I'm smart now Jasmine what are your thoughts on this ghost tunnel live area I think it's perfect honestly it's a really good bridge between your Canada and now splash it kind of continues the theming into what was a bit of a dead zone in that pathway it like gives you something else to do when you reach that pathway I really hope also because this is very family friendly that it's the beginning of a rethemed for kids zone because that's needed very yeah kids on is just like it's giving just amusement park no effort super cheesy so it would be cool if this kind of led into that in the long term that's it for me I mean I'm gonna ride it I'll be there oh Kaden's trying to join apparently I told him to join VC you'll drag it yeah I can get him oh my god Kaden who's not you guys let it some random person so can we fix that can we fix that they need to mute the stream okay no but come on Zachary can make a quick fix so people can't flooded no no no no they were dragging here it was Zachary's doing it was not my doing my doing I apologize okay back on topic yeah Jasmine you were talking right yes so I was I just wrapped up saying that I think it's a really cool addition I think it's needed in that corner of the park and I hope because it's family friendly it leads into a retheme of the kids zone that's sort of right there by flying canoes and the not enthusiast oh yeah right yeah I mean I think this is this would be an excellent addition I think it's going to draw a lot of crowds in and it's I think the way I see it as GP as a non-enthusiast is a very open area with so much space that could potentially be used and I feel like this is going to be an excellent addition to that because it's going to really make a huge difference and it will sort of spread out the crowds that that want to go into that area will actually give them an incentive to go into the area if that makes sense my god cadence here all right um Zachariah I've been saying it since the previous stream I think I'm more excited for this wooden coaster no matter what it is really a wooden coaster over the wing coaster for me I think GCIs are a lot of fun no matter if they're family if they're thrilled I think it'll be a great addition to the park especially with a steaming area that's about my entire opinion on this Jake the stapler Jake works at dawns the only issue I see with this is it's going to be like a big popular area everybody's gonna want to go there but there's gonna be one path tiny path might add in and out so I really hope they add like another bridge over white water and then connect it up towards where the the splash works entrances ish kind of that area like make it a little bit more of a sea instead of a teardrop something like that shape like in Kate and your notifications are on sorry oh sorry I hope that they either overhaul white water or give it like some sort of capacity boost or something because it won't be able to handle the crowds after yeah they'll have to change the queue line you brought a good point there because it does get full now on hot days absolutely Ryan from carowinds all heroin I love this concept so much I think it's a great thing even to be honest I would like if it is a spiral lift I think there's a lot of great theming opportunities with that I'm very much looking forward to getting on mystic timbers next month so hopefully I'll have some more experience because really all I have with a family GCI at the moment is invader but I love it I love the location I think it'll be great back there and as for the ghost town of live type thing I am a huge fan of themed entertainment within amusement parks and I just think that's great that's such a good idea I was about to call myself because I see the two accounts Kaden what are your thoughts on this ghost town alive oh the ghost town alive area and the the wooden coaster mystic timbers you know okay I I think it looks great oh things are falling I think it looks great um my only thing is I don't know if I would want an exact clone of like what the concept is I could see if I'm busy zinger but I think the idea of having like the gold mine or the mine shaft whatever at the end would be a really cool addition to the end of a ride very reminds me a much of mystic timbers which is an amazing ride I love it GCI we know they can make a good coaster family or not so I'm all for it the wing coaster I think whatever one it ends up being it'll be the same layout maybe just built-in speakers or not yeah so okay I have I have a few topics of discussion we're gonna get back to the wing coaster in a second because I think you know every human does this right so this is this is what humans do and this is what's happened with me all this information came out and I got sugar happy right I was like oh my god wing coaster wing coaster everything oh my god wing coaster I want a wing coaster and then I started digesting and I was like oh you know what this coaster looks really good this is exactly what the park needs I don't think like a launched wing is exactly what we need thought process but then I started even thinking even deeper I think we are jumping the gun here I think that we're assuming that these surveys are for 2025 and because of these survey markings for the wing coaster area I really don't think that's 2025 but we'll get it further into that but I do think the highest potential for 2025 is this ghost town alive area because and I really need to get that video out there I have a video with all the construction markings that I found in 2021 in this exact area and that would make more sense for 2025 edition because that gives them time to develop the ride design it get all the construction companies hired whereas if they're still surveying for the wing coaster that means B&M is still requesting 3d worlds to design the ride in and no construction companies been hired and we jump the gun there and then this also introduces a third topic of discussion what if both of these aren't for 2025 because my construction oh sorry my sources told me that this was a big project coming in 2025 a really big project and this doesn't have that written on it unless they didn't know that you know the ghost town alive area was a part of that and they just are hired for a really high budget thing and they assumed it was all for the coaster so there's that option but we could be jumping the gun here and they're like would you really be seeking advice on a 2025 ride a coaster if we're getting a coaster in 2025 would you be seeking survey advice no absolutely I think the survey and the current markings you're seeing in that area are for so it's sort of the same timeline as you talked about seeing survey markings in the whitewater area back in 2021 so I think we have to think with that kind of timeline especially if they are trying to like really theme the rides going forward which they're clearly showing us they are we know now from what we talked about yesterday that that theming takes longer than just you know slapping up a wood coaster in eight months or slapping up a steel coaster and what is it like a year and a half so I think you're totally right that that 2021 those markings you were seeing was for this and the timeline is matching up three to five years so 2024 to 2026 I guess for this to actually you know open and then for the markers we're seeing right now and the survey they're doing right now because they obviously if they're if they're asking us what kind of theme they want and it's truly up in the air then they haven't ordered any theming elements or custom designs or anything yet right so that would be for also three to five years from now that's what I'm sort of putting together exactly I think I think we got really excited with these like things and we were like we know a coaster's coming in 2025 guys I can still confirm we are getting a coaster in 2025 that is the most concrete like information I can give you I know for sure coaster 2025 and I think that these concepts if anything the ghost tunnel library is the most likely for 2025 I'm actually starting to think that that's not it and I think okay that we still are looking at Frontier Canada for the next coaster but where would it go because we know that Kingswood is being surveyed right so that means that can't be 2025 we know that this back area of Whitewater Canyon is being surveyed so or was surveyed so that's kind of an option for 2025 but still maybe not even though they did have a lot to offer visually which means that it could have been designed but I'm not sold that they're going to jump from a family coaster to a family coaster in a two in a three-year period that doesn't make sense to me you would do family high thrill family that's what Cedar fair is always done at Wonderland so I'm not sold what what happened what happened yeah Zachary can we change the permissions to avoid that okay um they are so Brady that is a good these are all planned I think like these are what you what you saw them proposed in those surveys to an extent will come true like there's going to be a wing coaster in that um we call that international show place location and I there's definitely going to be a a wooden coaster in the Whitewater Canyon area but I really am not sold that neither of those are 2025 coaster if the GCI is not 2025 I will riot we'll get it don't worry there is a good chance though okay so and you know I think you guys you you guys might be sitting here being like all Brandon doesn't know what he's talking about but if any of you have watched the podcast you've heard me say I don't know the location of our next coaster I've said that so many times have I not I don't know the location I don't know what the coaster is I only know the price tag the year 2025 um and um I can't remember the year the price tag and the type of coaster oh and when they're starting construction the three things December and again the wooden coaster does not align with starting construction in December so I'm not sold that these surveys are what we're getting in 2025 and I think I jumped the gun like I can sit here in a minute I think I just I think I got sugar happy with these visuals in front of me um and I jumped the gun that the I don't think these are 2025 editions I mean that makes sense so if if they're really gonna be that heavily themed if we're really talking about tunneling under the mountain it's gonna be a few years at least but it does not say that they're not in the works and serious about it and you know we're seeing markings for a reason but yeah I think you're right 2025 is just really really they'd be paying a lot to expedite it to that level that's all I'm saying and removing these trees okay so the December let's let's let's talk about what if this is our 2025 it would make sense to start in December because look at all the tree removal you have to do and it's it's marshland in there now it's it's kind of disgusting it's mosquito haven so just to be clear if you're thinking this coaster and ghost town area for 2025 what do you think 2024 is looking to be action theater would make the most sense to me I know it's a water slide harder to see any kind of indicators because it's in in the theater yes and we won't I was gonna say it could still could be a fly ride from where we were seeing yesterday or like the markings from yesterday's video no because now that we know like like we know that that back corner of the mountain is like the idea for like some sort of launch coaster going through it right so those survey markings actually make a lot of sense because you would be surveying that corner but there's so much potential at wonderland it is so hard to predict now now that we've seen this ghost town alive concept you know wonderland's potential for investments now right so this changes things I didn't ever expect that did any of you no no absolutely not like makes perfect sense though now that we're seeing it and especially in that area that we're seeing it like it's just it it makes perfect sense but I don't think any of us would have thought of it until now yeah there's definitely something I wouldn't have expected to see at wonderland anytime soon at least is your mom in the car with you hi mom oh hi Amanda kaden's mom and I are dating just everyone knows oh my god kaden's just done um what was it gonna talk about oh so I brought up the um the 2025 and the thing there is something I'm missing oh can you guys start a conversation so I can try to remember there was something big I was about to talk about as a discussion it slipped my mind yeah so this area that we're looking at on the screen I'm just I just want to clarify this is currently where whitewater canyon is like is this the whole whitewater yeah that blue is whitewater thing is whitewater station so then where's the pathway then you where you're walking like two words to ride um so oh I can explain this I have it in detail I thanks to a bylaw person I let me get his name maybe I shouldn't give his name yes I'm not going to give his name just in case if the person wants credit they'll message me the black is the queue line to the ride the yellow bridge there with the stripes through it the yellow thing with the stripes that's the exit of the ride for the the wooden coaster that I know for sure um it's a themed queue line too and you start going through the graveyard quite the interesting start to a queue line for a roller coaster right it's better than I would say the big three well yeah the actually mentioned that about the um gravestones it's kind of giving ghost or coaster like yeah aren't there gravestones in front of that queue line yeah um I mine went to banshee yeah that's what I think of too I also I just want to say I agree with Ryan that they need another if only for egress for you know in case of fire or something and people are trying to scramble out of the area they do need another exit from the ghost time alive area if they could do another bridge over that other part of white water like leading out more towards splash I think that would be very good for traffic I think that's going to be inevitable though I find because one bridge ultimately I think the park's going to realize that one bridge is not enough it's not enough for capacity and they're going to have to build it because they're going to realize closer to the time how busy the area is going to get and they're going to be like oh we we need a second bridge for sure and not just for evac but just for capacity as well Brayden asked a really good question that needs to be discussed too and like I'm telling you guys again and I've said this so much in the podcast I don't know where this coaster is going I like you saw me one podcast I was like Frontier Canada the next podcast I was like Kingswood and then the next podcast I was like no no no I jumped the gun so where could a coaster fit let's say so we're going to play a lot as devils advocate in here so these surveys they presented ideas that we're now discussing maybe aren't for 2025 although if there is one for 2025 the one with all the theming implemented in the the concept art in my opinion is the one that's closest to being due would you guys agree that that makes the most sense yes yeah I think so yeah so I will say that if we're looking at a 2025 coaster that was in that survey it's definitely this ghost town alive one I will say don't get upset because is not is mystic timbers considered a family gci or no no it's all a thrill gci I would say based on height requirement keep height requirement in mind because it's often that coasters are declared family coasters are not based on height requirement and if we're talking about how actual intense it is it is 100% a throw coaster okay so Ryan asked the really good question and you guys were here remember when wonderland first opened and we found the straight row of markings um on this end I can't show it on the podcast because I wish I could show my cursor but um to the right of whitewater canyon in between Yukon striker and whitewater canyon to the farthest right next to the path there was a straightaway of markings that go all the way to maple tree house they vanished and the distance markings those little silver tags were on the helicopter ride and maple tree house um so we got the so this is where we started being like oh they're gonna build the launch back there and it makes sense it's it's kept as far to the middle of the park as possible so they can do a tall top hat that was like my idea with the whole thing or a dragster launch right I never thought they'd go for the record but hey I was like hey they're working with Intamin or Zamperla again they could just do like a really smaller version of top flow dragster at wonderland and that would make a really easy and good 2025 coaster if you think about it like if wonderland was thinking high thrill ride that stands out and will continue to draw and guess 10 years from now I've always been on on board with a top flow dragster or red force clone I feel like that's what wonderland really needs because I always feels to me that wonderland is fighting to stay revelant in like the Ontario area like they have this motto where they have to add something every year because they did that to themselves and I think this is one of those attractions if they were really smart business wise that it would set them outside of that boundary like you could if you built that people are going to come no matter what every year the same thing top flow dragster did for cedar point look the cedar points having its worst season yet because top flow dragsters down they're fast lane sales nose dived they're like non-existent because top flow dragsters close so what does that tell you like if I was cedar fair I'd be like well I think our flagship park in Canada should have one of those take the the fastest launch coaster record back from whatever that small little park is in Alberta thank uber but that is the end if you think about it so where I'm trying to get what this is Kingswood can't be 2025 coaster right so again this is devil's advocate guys that this wooden coaster isn't 2025 so this is under the idealisms that 2025 is not the ghost channel life you build a launch you're not wrong about the dragster thing they've been talking about that since cedar fair took over the park there was like we need to have kind of draw that like dragster was something that used to be brought up a number of times but by decision makers at wonderland now there's decision different decision makers in a lot of those seats now so I didn't know that was still thing but I do agree that because of you know wonderlands demographic and where it is and yes they did do that to themselves that adding something new every year to keep people happy I just yeah that really a lot of that clicked for me yeah so um it like I can't see them passing that up and I can't ignore those markings that we saw we were so excited when we found them it was literally the longest straightaway you could imagine all the way from tundra twister to maple tree house and so where I was getting at is kingswood's taken right international show place taken the back end of whitewater canyon taken um like where else can you fit one now where can you fit one obviously you know time warp and flight deck yeah maybe but those will have to get removed this season if that is the 2025 coaster they will have to come down and grace we can't ignore it tpm vids okay amazing guy you got to subscribe to his channel guys um he had that interview with grace and she looked at the camera and she had that like grin on her face like they were up to something like she was like and we're not done in frontier canada now that could have been ghost town alive in this coaster because to a theme park this is amazing right that is that but I don't know I I'm I know I know I'm holding on hope for that amazing launch coaster but I can't ignore that straightaway of markings go back to the video the markings are now removed though they're not there we've checked I feel like there's been so many different instances of finding clues like that that we I think now need to start thinking longer term I think when we first started finding stuff like that we were like oh this is for the next one to three years around the time when we started finding these things that was when they made that decision like we're a theme park now we're doing real theming now and so instead of thinking one to three years we should have been thinking like three to even like seven depending on the project um and so I think where each of those projects fall as far as which one's going to open in what order we don't know because they might survey for one way earlier than another just because it's a bigger project but you know that the size of the scope of that project may dictate the opening date being a lot earlier than we would expect or a lot later than we would expect so even though you saw those markings first and you think oh that one's going to happen first it might actually happen last yeah they're kind of giving us a bit of a scramble now grace is probably watching this oh they're they're dying laughing because the other hard thing is if it's a flat ride survey markings pop up the year ahead tundra twisters survey markings popped up last year halfway through the year so like you have all this now right i was so good when there was only one area with survey markings because it was like i was i'd be able to be like hey guys next year's ride is going in this area ha ha and be confident but now the whole park is being surveyed and you don't you think that's funny the drop-off area has survey markings so um yeah it's complicated is that tom cruise in our discord oh sorry that's just me oh wish that photo is boom no no more i think no more tom cruise is gone but i think we need a park map like an overall park map i know they don't they apparently don't give them out anymore but hopefully they still post one online and i would love to see all of these overlaid those these markings on like a current park map to see how it would flow and like what rides may need to be removed around each one um like the google maps is really handy for seeing the terrain and stuff i guess the park map is not true to to scale so that's about it but i would like to see an overall of wonderland with all of these different markings and i think that might make it easier to figure out a timeline because are they just focusing on the front two canada area still for now and then you know move on to expo and meanwhile all this is happening and medfare is starting to look like it could use some help so i'd be very curious to try to start to piece together a timeline yeah i you know what i'll build a map tonight because i did notice they're clustered in numbers together so the wing coaster jake correct me if i'm wrong but was it not 70 and 80s it was mid 50s to low 80s yeah and the kingswood whatever coaster thing is the 100s the the mid 100s to 200 that's correct so you can almost piece together these little areas that they've surveyed medfare even has them popping up now too so yeah they definitely got big plans whatever the park's doing that like they're serving there's things being done which is a really healthy sign like a really healthy sign you don't see this at the other parks like i wouldn't be surprised if wonderland wonder what i say like that wonderland wonderland is entering its cedar point era where we'll start seeing you know maybe they we get a family coaster in 2025 but then they build the high thrill in 2026 because they can't wait any longer you know they can't wait those traditional three years in between um am i pronouncing my w's yes you are oh so i could 100 see that where wonderland starts being like bam bam bam i mean you saw it stoopies racing railway this year and then we're gonna enter a year where we normally would have seen the old wonderland would have built nothing in 2024 because there's a big thing coming in 2025 but that's not happening anymore raiden has a good comment um in the chat asking where do you think where do you think entrance rano fits into all of this if we're adding another large themed area or large scale thrill coaster a front gate can't hold the raised capacity i i agree it is in the works i can't reveal too much because i do know this person really closely but i can tell you that a engineering firm has surveyed the inside of the front entrance gate now so the they did surveying of the inside um i learned some interesting facts so front gate isn't actually a uh a building it doesn't have any permits and because there's no restrooms in there apparently so they don't have to like classify it as like a building there's no like connected water in there and such so it's not actually a building it's listed as like a shed that's hilarious yeah i was really thinking that as you're saying i'm like so it's a it's a glorified shed and then you're like it's a shed yeah um but yeah i learned that so that was interesting but yeah wonderland if you're watching um i just made a squirrel you made a map in vc all the ones we found yesterday would make more sense for the front gate rental to happen first like if we're talking 2024 being a smaller year in 2025 and on being these bigger things we're looking at and you know it makes sense that we'd get maybe a slide and a front gate next year yeah i mean we saw them upgrade the electrical outside the parking lot towards tolls so we know something like that's probably in the works too the park is literally like so if you stop to talk to any higher-ups at wonderland which does happen the park is so well aware that their infrastructure was so lackluster like so behind and they're now playing catch-up and this is where i used to get so upset when people in my friend group and stuff like that would harp on wonderland over like even not having hot water and stuff like that and they'd be like oh like they're like a premier destination they should just like it should just be expected that they have this cedar fair can only do so much a year like i liked it because peter is technically right when he said this but it's not like rollercoaster tycoon you can't just be like oh we want this so bam it's oh we want this so you got to rip up all the old water wells the old electrical the old speaker system the old sprinkler system you got to put in this new plumbing and piping and electrical and then you got to build the the goddamn footings but this soil can only handle that footing and that soil can only handle that it's it's complicated yep people just be like but turn on the hot button it's not that easy guys yeah um if you guys were to pick the 2025 coaster so this is a hundred percent opinion based now if you guys were to honestly sit here and pick what you want for 2025 what would it be wait wait wait realistically or what we want no what you want well okay what you want but obviously realistically don't say like i love how i'm saying being realistic but i just asked for a uh a red force collector i was gonna say uh okay go oh okay we'll go in order um i'm going in order up there jake up which one you okay i work at dawn's yeah so i i believe yeah i kind of want kind of what you said like a strata not strata but like an accelerator model i feel like that would really work at wonderland because it's super marketable i feel like marketing is one of the highest like most important things that wonderland needs because we have such a huge audience that like they don't have a good marketing team people are not going to be excited which is for basically a lot of things but parks like cedar point people already know that it's a good park so i feel like marketable marketability is a huge factor so a accelerator super marketable yes i feel like i also do would for like a actual like coaster that has like a layout on everything i would want an extreme spinner from moch that's personally for me see zack's excited about that but yeah because i don't know they're just something different that canadians don't really get yet we have fly which is kind of like a small compact ride that's pretty like forceful with laterals but with a spinning with a spinning coaster like we don't have anything like that i guess the launch on back lot is kind of similar because it's a launch but nothing we don't have anything else like that so i personally would want to either accelerate or do an extreme spinner you know guys can i can i just say we are forgetting about something for 2025 what coaster what coaster this year just started showing markings on its footings sure wild beast uh i was gonna say behemoth i thought i don't know not on it's getting torn down sorry guys not on its footings like wild beast has like those little x's yeah but yeah that's just that's just me inserting like food for thought um i don't know anything about that truthfully my prediction for the wild beast markings was a gci or what do you call it gravity group reno like a quick easy little bam five million dollar yeah um but yeah sorry jasmine your turn oh um okay so we're talking like dreaming but keeping it somewhat realistic um i would have liked to see sort of how that area of the park where white water is is kind of like the wet corner of the park um i would have liked to see uh log flume like a really cool impressive log flume like a long one like splash mountain or what's the one at knots that's like that was i think it actually came before splash mountain anyways and then there's a another one that's really long at like bush gardens i think we need a long log flume that tells a story that is heavily themed it would have been perfect for frontier canada and it would have been good for that transitional area that most people take to get into splash works um and then you could also get rid of timber will falls and use that for a really impressive flat ride or a coaster with a fairly small footprint maybe one that can go and interact over lake with vortex would have been really cool um so that would have been my pick for that particular spot um but i agree with what the other guys were saying i think as far as a really good fit coaster for the park would be a like we need a spinner we need one it's just perfect for wonderland and it would be a lot of fun and a launched coaster we need like a proper launch coaster that's not just what we have that's all that's what those would be my first choices and of course you know fixing up the the woody's that we do have i love this concept art that they've given us that it is a wooden coaster of some type um family friendly it's um i i have no complaints with it having ghost town there will be really cool i would have liked to see either preferably both mine buster and wild beast redone as like really impressive world-class woody's am what do you want personally i would say uh either a velocity coaster or a um upper head strike type i would i would i would prefer launch related something launch related yeah the one thing i will say is i'll take the launch wing over a copper head strike clone yeah i agree i've heard zacker oh yeah you'll have your turn jake i've heard good things about copper head strike like it being that's fun it's not forceful like maverick or anything it's not fun i was saying it's not forceful but i feel like it's also a large capacity issue like if we have a bnm wing we have the capacity of the launch of the inversions it's like you have the bnm wing that's 32 people per train and then mock hosters that's 16 or 20 that's going to be extra like you're gonna have to dispatch two trains or mock compared to one bnm train what bothers me about copper head strike is the fact that you're like literally trying to escape the grannies like shed so you they don't shoot you with a shotgun but you accelerate at the speed of thunder and i have the speed of snoopy it's like and then they have that cheesy audio where it's like snoopy get us out of here get us out of here um wait let's zack it sucks to go look how excited he is go okay i mean a lot of people happy mock extreme spinner but i want a dream without the magnet which means it spins more that would be my hope to answer that i guess also grab your group on on wild beast a lot of the people that go to wonderland go every year multiple times a year like pass holders right according not to their survey apparently if you go over three times you don't have a right to input your opinions all i'm saying is if you get an extreme spinner i'm going every i'm going daily and not to write anything else i'm only writing that extreme spinner like i talk to my family they've they go they go to the park once a year they go on the viathan they're one time a year and they're like yeah it's the same it's just the viathan but if you go to if you go to the spinners it's different every single time you ride it every single time you ride it's gonna be a different experience and i think that would be something that's amazing although the capacity is still really low a launch spinner would be awesome it's like if tundra was a coaster different average time it's different every time don't give us the time traveler give us a ride the happiness you know i wouldn't even be mad at time traveler all right that happens with my capacity can we have a mod ban justice man and key switches for their opinions thank you this is not a free speech forum no i'm getting serious wait who did that jake i take away oh my god take away his money take i did it before you said wait are you able to undo it has to be a mod oh yeah i don't know how you can't undo it um you can't oh i did it longer you did for 600 seconds jake oh god there's gotta be a way to take there isn't a way jake you have to give them free big match now you have to buy the one we just gotta wait 500 seconds now okay wait he didn't give them like a free month membership or something my bad um i would like to add real quick before um and i'll start talking i'm seeing people in chat asking about where the survey is the survey is over they have gotten all the answers that they want so no one could do the survey anymore wait is that true oh that was quick yeah i tried looking at it earlier and it says you cannot input anymore answers probably because they didn't want enthusiasts to get it and now they're in trouble that this information got out okay but i was gonna make a video on this i actually i wanted to make a video that was like what were they thinking like this is such valuable information like oh no but like seriously for for a theme park to give out their next like addition thoughts that's valuable information that's exactly why i said yesterday that this is marketing this is the beginning of the marketing campaign yeah which is why i agree which is why i think it's marketing if you look at any other surveys look at the old carowinds one and even the one today they don't actually show concept art today carowinds but i believe those carowinds right it's very general you wonderland did you like or they did that today they put out a survey asking what kind of coaster or water ride people would like add it to the park and they don't use concept art instead they use stock images basically of this model instead of wonderland where we have entire concept arts drawn up we have that created which is why i agree i think this is marketing yep which means the coaster spot yeah so then i and i think they know which theme they're going with i think it's just for marketing it's just the clicks so this is what this is what pisses me off so much no because like honestly i know this is gonna make ruffle some feathers at wonderland but i need to know who's sitting on the board of decisions at wonderland because there's no effing way that wonderland sat down in that room with who's currently working there and was like you know we have friends here canada you know world expose thing something that's coming back what about a rock and roll roller coaster themed a canadian rock bands like who was in that panel rush no no let me finish because this is a rant out of all the possible themes wonderland that you could have chosen for a launched wing coaster these okay no like honestly these two do not work for me they don't work for me both of them the one coming out of the mountain is really cool but an entity an entity in the mountain took over some sort of weird presence and you watch through the caverns of a tunnel how is that frontier canada what are you doing as a theme park you said you want to move towards the theme and then the rock and roll yeah it pays homage to kingswood but this ride isn't located in kingswood do not get fooled guys this location is not for kingswood it is for international show place the launched wing coaster is designed to go in the back corner of the mountain those are the two themes you were presenting to cedar fair for a theme and i'm surprised cedar fair didn't shoot it down and be like go back to the drawing table like you want to know who's the marketing director i don't think they have from what i know they don't actually someone else does this i hope so they have a marketing director at the park they they have someone whose title is director marketing and brand management i'm not going to say his name on here but he exists and he may be the one that's hiring out these people but he's making the decision on the marketing front at least like rock and roll canada's not even known for rock and roll it's giving it's giving me flashbacks to eisner with what was the one celebrity limousine whatever whatever it's the same like who thought of this and then you google who's the marketing director and it's it's a guy just like eisner same thing yeah same exact situation of some guy in an office being like but i think this is a cool idea even though it completely doesn't fit doesn't make sense you're like why hopefully it's one of the other ones that they have already gone with this was just to give people options to vote because like this is what extra this is what really pissed me off let me continue my rant no wonderland you have a dragon inside that mound that you could theme those wing cars to a drag can you imagine a dragon bursting out of the top of the mountain okay like that's right there the opportunity is right there like what the hell you could have herman literally go as the train herman herman's thunderrider thinking of ormar they have multiple dragons i'm not gonna go in guardian is ormar i refuse to acknowledge that the guardian version exists it's a figure somebody's imagination yeah wonderland's guardian is not canon in the candidate wonderland oh dare you oh dare you unless herman as a girl and had a baby then we can acknowledge that but is herman um ryan the the survey is not fake i can tell you that much it wasn't designed to create hype wonderland wonderland is doing just fine but um and trust me wonderland does not like us talking about these things other parks might and i'm not trying to say too much but wonderland is very proud of a tight lip um kind of like culture that they create at the park wonderland doesn't have like the same kind of freedom that other parks have trust me not to reveal too much but i am like super supervised as a channel like if i step over a line i will wake up to an email or a phone call or a message like wonderland is very tight lipped they don't like certain things talked about or said or anything um so yeah they're not the kind of park that would do this to gain attention they are very much like can you shut up we don't want no no no no i'll actually i won't say too much but there are several videos that have been taken down from my channel there are several videos that have been taken down and it's funny that i've noted people haven't noticed which videos have been asked to be taken down but yeah there are comments people in the comments brennan's legs are going to get broken by grace say goodbye journey cap can i help i know the base all that can i help grace doesn't need to the wonderland doesn't need to break my legs they just need to keep feeding me and eventually my own ankles will give that oh my god jay can you ban him no don't do it you can't but i can there you go no i don't ban hammers coming down today jeez on the discord thing wow that's not nine of nine not nine of nine okay but in all honesty i think wonderland can only have that attitude for so long eventually they're gonna have to start getting the public and influencers more involved which like so many other brands have already started doing and picked up on in the last year like they're gonna have to see that and get with the times do you know what really bothers me you want to know what really bothers me i just learned this the other day but they're influencer program that they do at the park they have a real one they haven't they haven't they have a real influencer program where they bring on from what i've seen pretty small influencers as well do you know what they get do you know what they get nothing let in for free free season passes with dining plans and drink plans do you know what and i get do you know what surya and i get an interview with grace oh we get nothing you got a high five what because you didn't apply like why don't they reach out to people and be like hey you contribute a lot about wonderland we want to give you this so you can come and talk about things more whatever like but i will say they have no freedom on the influencer program i looked it up so i think i'll take not having anything and not having the park control my channel like i thought about it because i was like i was going to email and ask i was like hey like can we get something like you know we do a lot of free promo for the park like you think like thing and then i thought about it was like oh wait you know we're kind of like walking that gray line sometimes it's better to be independent yeah i have that every time i leave a rant comment on one of disney's posts when they make a stupid decision about like genie plus or something i'm like well they're never gonna invite me but here we go oh well here's a good topic of discussion and i have an answer ziz ziz ziz they got a name in ziz they should name it ziz get over it ziz ain't happening well y'all should have told me to land out when it was still in play but it didn't test well so the right answer is wonderland tested the name ziz for uconn striker they put the word ziz out in a they had a little public forum of people come it like failed it flopped no one liked the name ziz people even linked it to like an inappropriate name and everything not going to touch no one touch on that or even say it but like that's an actual answer that's true um ziz is gone i was told it's in the garbage it will never never be a thing at wonderland ziz does sound stupid really stupid i'd just like to say before we move on to the next topic not everyone was given a chance to speak on what they'd like at the park oh where did i leave off okay i did not get to speak i did not get to speak zack zack got to speak okay they all did i didn't get a chance to speak i think okay okay ryan what do you what do you want at the park tarot dragonfire massive mock multi launch have the launch straight sort of where the what's called the lift hill and first loops are up into a top hat back behind leviathan's lift hill in front of post two uh up from there top hat like 200 feet like that one in china that's what i want it was just a clone of storing guys it was so hard she had to leave wait what can we get a clone of storing through the clouds or what was it called you ryan you know what it's called you know i'm just close the tab on what it's called okay katalina what do you want blasphemy okay um what do you mean shut up oh just told us another to shut up we're in the amusement park i thought he told jasmine to shut up i was like jake ban him no not jasmine ryan was the one that offended jasmine i had to leave after the dragonfire comment i was not going to hear that yeah ryan please anyways tarot dragonfire tarot mindbuster tarot wildbeast tarot coaster there's just katan's turn tarot vortex what i would like to see is um something like valosta coaster near the back of the park it's filling the forest over there i don't care about what in coaster back there it'd be nice but throw in valosta coaster but i don't care about theme either um something that i dream about but would never happen considering who we work with is um revamp wild beast but obviously not gci or gravity group retract i would love to see an rmc conversion of it the social enthusiasm to say no no let me drag him for a second amanda can you hear me his mom okay did you just hear katan say that he went like a gci at wonderland do you remember his reaction on mystic timbers i do yeah did that reaction on mystic timbers look like someone that went like a gci at wonderland definitely not i believe we wrote it quite a few times i'll just go back to king's island king's island is awesome it was like one of his favorite rides at that park king's island also has banshee and the beast and a ryan and diamond that one oh the point when we were we didn't even go this year but got somebody to pick him up in mystic timbers hoodie because it was new uh-huh it has a different rocket because it's one of your favorite rides yeah it's my number four oh maybe what if we get wait katan what if we get like a copy and paste of mystic timbers at wonderland would you be happy with that i'd go back and forth between that and leviah so you would want it i'm just gonna say it's better than banshee mystic timbers over banshee either i don't know about that okay but this isn't that podcast yeah we we're off topic we're off topic we can do that tomorrow night this is a different park did everyone get to speak on what they jake did you say what you won at wonderland yeah i did sorry i was you are i was in the washroom it was cleaning the washroom it was cleaning the washroom at dawn's i was coming back i have my headphones on in the washroom i was listening to the conversation we don't need to know that okay over a hundred people heard that guys i have wireless headphones it's okay i just that's not helping you case you bring everyone to the wash he washed his hands he washed his hands i washed my hand we didn't hear them though we didn't hear it can we drop this conversation well i'm interested now how are we off the rest uh i've not watched on derailed we derailed stop completely two thumbs down oh my god how do you have that we just cracked like fury oh no oh the way i panicked the way i panicked and thought i was getting canceled for a second oh man okay why are there only three good coasters at cw i know right behemoth doesn't count it's only vortex of five four texas mediocre changed my mind oh can we jake can you time him out for three what did he say he said this no no no no no don't time anyone out that's just changing the message no no you're not knowing no you're batting him get him out we're moving their free speech this is unconstitutional it's not free here okay so everyone spoke about let's let's do that in the washroom we're being lifted by the crane right now back onto the tracks okay okay we we derailed we sustained minimal damage they're putting us back on with minimal maintenance well this sounds like a six legs park is there any welding involved average day at great adventure um behemoth is the worst anybody who says behemoth is good you can just leave the chat so i like the stream it was good last time i wrote it but don't ask when that was yeah now it's not it's really not you unfortunately there's too much consensus on that for me to not believe you i have actually been enjoying behemoth more lately i won't lie it's actually uh kind of going up for me sit in the fight car first your second row going over those camel backs it is just heavenly well ryan it does go up quite a bit so i mean it would be going up for you so i guess that that makes sense it does go up and down right so oh look at this guy keep left goodbye ryan well the numbers say it right you know what i would like to invite any patreons that are in discord right now to hop in the call and give their thoughts on these surveyed coasters in 2025 so if you're a patreon head on over into the patreon live and one of my ugly moderators over here will assist you in getting into the car yeah jake you're the ugly moderator get over there all right so just join for patreons in here join patreon voice chat i'll be in there talk to jake then he'll you don't okay i don't like the guy either way no joking now that he's gone as you were saying well he had to get back to his shift at mcdonald's remember so i didn't oh execution i'm not actually mad at you for hating on anything trust me anytime if we're joking about banning you it's a joke you're not actually gonna get banned unless you're uh it's gonna be so funny if no patreons end up joining uh don't me to tag the patreon rule sure they're probably all in bed though it's like 11 17 p.m yeah it is pretty late yeah unless it's for 600 seconds oh man oh boy no we're not going back to that job what oh in their defense i didn't warn anyone that i was gonna do this tonight we've been testing it getting it ready oh so wonderland there's over 70 of you patreons how is there not a single one of you wanting to join you literally welcome to them our own liner now they literally pay for this role for this role to do things like this are y'all shy it's okay you're joining a call with a weirdo like me oh and like the rest of us not just you especially ryan yeah ryan is the biggest one see ryan you say you kind of is better than why do you okay that is sick that is sick ryan i want you to make me one that i mean you want to pay gladly i'll pay i will literally pay for that that is sick if you want to make that fun what you want to do is you want to get a nano coaster where there'd be a lot of trees and then pay him to do that one ryan loves putting trees on nano coasters that's so much money you have no idea nano coaster all right how much do you charge wait tata said something yeah i'll have to put some thought into it but probably like 70 80 bucks ryan remember time is money yes and that's a lot of time right there so more like 250 bucks i mean how much did i pay you for you to do my goliath for goliath you paid like 50 bucks but that was the first time purchaser fee oh yeah i was exactly that zack can you link can you link patreon zack he's standing up right now i can't what i purchased from ryan hey link patreon zack okay i'll link patreon i'll do my daily link patreon is that the ucon one oh my goodness those look so good like those look so good looking maybe at the behemoth one get that out of the front down man i don't like the ucon one more no no i get the get the behemoth to pay you to make my make a one into shambhala thank you look at that wheel assembly that's so accurate don't want you to make a shambhala one would it have to be behemoth or it would have to be behemoth yeah okay and also the base would still say behemoth i mean you guys paint over that and the fact that you did that makes you love them so much more doesn't it that time and effort the time and effort that you put into suck that sounded weird are there really no patreons that people are tired and it is 11 it is very yeah so what do i have to do these earlier they're gonna join yes or maybe like put something on there we go for us or whatever they can just verify right now and then uh he'll bring them in here and do you guys have quick access to quick fingers if you know what i mean yeah oh interested in getting some patrons on here hello he's good what is your name uh are you okay you don't have to say wait what very as in the mouse oh okay oh perry jerry j e r oh jerry jerry common jerry how are you uh good kind of tired i think most people are what is your home park i'm assuming wonderland that's why i'm right so what are your thoughts on the survey images for like possible additions that can is wonderland yeah i'm really excited to like um see what they uh do with the ghost hunt area it looks like nothing i have right now so uh yeah i've worked since the project had like opened i was really interested in seeing if um open areas like silver dollar city or ghost and not very very farms so i'm really excited that's actually material yeah like the fact that they drew something up like that for a park like what we thought like imagine five years ago someone telling you that can is one of them is going to introduce a whole new themed area the old us would never believe that exactly and so i i still want velocicoster more but like you know this is pretty good as well yeah yeah i would like you all know my opinions on velocicoster i am crying inside but i i am very happy with the ghost and i am universal in august so i'm really excited to try it out i've heard good things i've heard really good things yeah yeah velocicoster is my three or four which i have what steel vengeance iron glossy and maverick i think i'm above of them so it's pretty like a competition yeah for me it's the numbers of them i'm gonna see what is it for me um you've been on it right yeah so i literally wrote it together if my number six so i'm unsubscribing from this chat right now everyone here's written am i the only one that hasn't been on it basically yeah no no am i have any in there i went in 2018 so that was before hay grids was even finished that's your mother's fault okay do you hear that mother okay he was before he was 13 he's eight for free at the restaurant at our hotel and he was very excited to go then he did a back flip when he found out we were going to go a back flip isn't he too tall for that did his next scrape against the ground brennan i have to show you oh you have to show me you have to show brennan show us show the camera kate and the next time i see you on i'm gonna need you to do a back flip for me bryan no okay okay that's fine was that there's a point somewhere shorter than you you were shorter than me so jerry if you could add any ride at wonderland what would it be a coaster it can't bring it here everything about it looks so perfect like the capacity is perfect for this park the elements are more intense than anything we have here it just looks perfect yeah i would what's your favorite flat ride at wonderland flat ride uh i think probably shockwave tender chisler it was pretty underwhelming party mode he's a believer okay what's your favorite coaster at wonderland coaster i feel that varies day by day but it's you but i think right now if i had to choose one it would be leviathan okay i like that answer it varies from day to day i like that because that actually is probably the most true answer in all of us i feel like we do switch up our favorites at wonderland more than you would admit no well you haven't heard shortly uh do you guys not remember i control this group i can oh yeah you do you do okay yeah sorry we'll speak when spoken to i'll say is wait what did you say about leviathan leviathan always takes the number one spot for me but everything else varies oh yeah i agree and for leviathan to be able to get to that point it had to add like what 800 pounds to its zero car it's okay she needed a little help i don't even know how many times of value before that oh it's valued a few times i think it's only six oh jake what are you doing up there are there people up there jake no there's no one up there oh jake come back no jake stay away shoo oh he's welcome back how is that jake hugging a leviathan support column oh wait let me turn the camera on all right guys jake's back goodbye what what the freak he's kissing the leviathan support not just hugging you did not see that why do you like leviathan so much i love leviathan that's his girlfriend oh leviathan's a girl every time i leave the park is the only thing i'm looking at until until i can't see it it's the only thing i'm looking at not me i'm trying to think of what else we can talk about involving these coasters did we cover everything they should add like a bunch of beds so we can sleep if we're tired that's what i agree with that i need like sleeping room because sometimes the heat like when it's super hot and i've been up like since like six a.m i just want to take like a hour nap i need a wonderland sleeping room you know what 2019 edition was yeah it's like big kid like 200 feet in the air jake i need you to do something for me i need you i need you i need you to remove the giraffe from this voice call right now there he goes there means he can't join back unless it's okay you know what i could remove king's wood put in camping instead i need those like nap pods that they have like the google offices we need like capsule hotels like in japan hi miss him that's what they should do with action theater this is to the mother of that gremlin that just spoke about 2019 oh my god yeah don't worry okay i just want to remind you choices life choices she gave me a pat on the back oh there's a little more than a pat i'm still driving so you can turn right really sharply there is a cannon over there i have to go into a ravine what is that leviathan valley all right i'm trying to think if there's anything else guys am i missing anything on i feel like that's it earlier there was like a really big topic that you need to like think about to remember what it was about oh right did i discuss the new markings over by so no he didn't okay the big news right i don't even know about those no there's no big news i was gonna i i'm gonna i was saving it for a video that i'm gonna make tomorrow morning it'll be out on the channel tomorrow i think it's best that i keep i keep that for the video just because escape designs is working on a coaster design with these new markings in mind and i don't want someone else to make any design or whatever before with these new markings so yeah i'm going to keep it a secret until tomorrow's video just to give escape designs a day's lead on designing this coasters maybe if you subscribe to patreon guys you know you know how long do you know how long he usually takes so i was told that i should have it by next wednesday the latest they are going full detail by the way they ain't just you know how the typical person will make like just like on a flat grass like a thing and be like oh this is the what i like about escape designs is they actually created their own software now um i don't know if i'm a i don't know if i should okay i i don't know if what i should be talking about or i think that was stupid on my part but basically it's gonna be really cool they're putting a lot of effort into all the designs they i don't know if you guys saw in the podcast they they're redoing wonderland's front gate um with visualizations and a complete walkthrough and everything so it's really cool um but yeah they have this coaster they're doing full designs with the mountain and everything and vortex and everything so you guys get a really good understanding especially with these new construction markings where it's going and what it's going to do uh yo brennan do you agree with my statement let me scroll up quickly for a second um two of one are you one oh brennan i need your thoughts on my very on my very true opinion canon's one known as the flat red capital of the world if you think about what park has a better lineup no that is a hundred percent true right we just know advertising yes i think vener potter might have some good stuff as well like how do you spell that wait how do you spell that i want to look it up after vener and then pratt p-r-a-t-e-r p-r-e a-r-a-t-e-r and then just put vener in front why is the why is the part called that wait you guys are doing a trick on me are you no no no it's vienna vienna is called vienna yeah it's a vienna oh my god yeah i'll do a little wait before he hits enter i'll do a little vlog there in august oh do a little do a little vlog it looks so cute all right it's a good it's like uh brennan we have a question from patreon live chat uh-huh did they ask um did you see the new fury support columns and do you have any thoughts yeah so the new fury support column has arrived um from what i understand from a specific person i'm getting information from it is a footing issue um and essentially this will repeat itself over time so i think this is a temporary fix while bnm and everyone evaluates what happened because they have time right fury's been open since what 2015 2015 and it took this long for that to happen so they're in no rush so they're going to look for a fix and then they'll fix it and obviously uh carol wants to say that they're going to up their uh evaluating the rides and looking at the rides and i believe them because if there's one thing you know about cedar fair they did not take kindly to this kind of publicity and they will do everything in their power to ensure this doesn't happen i'm sure all of you if you have different cedar fair parks can see cherry pickers parked outside your bnms over the last week because i know wonderland all three of their bnms have cherry pickers parked near them and around them um another question i saw earlier in chat they're just asking if we will have a stream tomorrow yeah so um i don't want to commit to anything because you guys know how i do when i commit um once i commit to something i'll end up letting you guys down so i think that we will just host them i i do like this new system and basically we talked as a team too obviously the same people aren't always going to be in here because sometimes they want to do other things with life because being on a camera all day for two hours or an hour isn't exactly everyone's cup of tea right but anyone in our discord that is part of the core group so we can trust each other that's a big thing um is welcome to be in these when i do host them and i will try and host them daily and they might always be late because we'll be at wonderland and all that and then blah blah blah but yeah i'll try and do these nightly um they seem to be doing really well and people like them and it's becoming a safe place and there's been no hate so honestly if this can be like a really safe place for everyone in a community then yeah i'll try and do these as daily as i possibly can it seems to be pretty fun and as far as for patrons um if they want to know about how this works like what we just did today what will this system be like in the future the same as today or yeah so um i obviously had plans to include patreons in the podcast and everything and they'll still be like weekly recaps so i might change this from being because i keep calling it the podcast i might just change this to um community roundtables and then i'll still do the one podcast that won't be on a weekend i cannot do weekend streams because again i'm with my friends friends like the big group on the weekend and it sucks to leave the park at 7 p.m. to come do a podcast um so um i might take weekends off for example maybe saturday sunday i won't do the streams but monday to friday i'll try and do these streams but um when it's the north american coaster enthusiast come back do you still have discord server i do have a discord server zack yeah patreons will be welcome to join once we start to like obviously there's a big trust thing so um uh i would like to ask patreons to come into vc before stream so we can get to know you and trust you and blah blah blah and yeah okay okay no you're good jerry thank you for not thank you for being normal you were good um yeah so yeah we're gonna end the stream now and go hang out in discord some of us i have a feeling some of us want to go to bed but yeah thanks for joining us guys and if you have any suggestions join the discord server there's a suggestions thing blah blah blah and feel free to send me a message i am impossible to reach on instagram that would have been very bad why don't you why don't you just play the rest of the on the whole page i didn't meet wait is there a g rated soundboard that you have we can make a we can make a podcast soundboard oh i wouldn't say g rated this many people oh wait what oh no okay but yeah on that note join discord um obviously patreons you'll be welcomed into these slowly and as we start to earn some trust but yeah join us in discord and have a good one guys thank you