 But he is surging right now in the polls and the Democrats seem to love Boni and particular young people seem to love Boni so I thought we'd take a little bit of time today to talk about the Boni Sanders phenomenon. I haven't talked too much about Boni partially because I think you all know what I think about Boni and and and his ideas and his policies but I thought we talked a little bit about Boni Sanders and what he represents and why he's so successful I think that's the real question is is you know has America become such a place as to make possible a a Boni Sanders to facilitate a Boni Sanders and that is we will see we will see in the weeks to come whether that is the case I mean I really hate Boni Sanders and despise the man you know because of his policies because of his ideas because of his history because of his you know his Marxist roots and his support both for the Soviet Union for Maduro's for Chavez's of Venezuela he hasn't seen a socialist regime he didn't like at least some point in his life the man is clearly committed to a socialist agenda even though he tries to portray socialism as being Scandinavia and you know here we are a candidate like that a candidate who is an apologist for communism and socialism's worse somebody who who visited the Soviet Union partied in the Soviet Union said positive things about the Soviet Union and supported the regime of Chavez in Venezuela said very positive things about Chavez in Venezuela and has and calls himself a socialist without any without any qualms that you know it's shocking that somebody like this is a viable candidate in a major political party in the United States it truly is stunning somebody says he's making a prediction that if Sanders gets a nomination Trump will win I actually think that's true I think that's true and I think it's primarily because what you're what'll happen I think Sanders will steal a lot of Trump voters and we'll get to that so I think some people who voted for Trump will vote this time for Sanders who would not vote for other people in Democratic Party would would vote for Sanders but I think that if you look at the mix a lot of moderate Democrats and a lot of a lot of you know mainstream Democrats would vote for Donald Trump or stay home if Bernie Sanders is the candidate he's yet to prove he can bring out the black vote which is crucial for winning in places like Philadelphia or Pennsylvania Michigan and places like that he's yet to prove that he can do that I you know I don't you know I don't think that he so it's not clear to me that he can win the Democratic nomination but if you want the Democratic nomination I just don't see how he could be Trump given that I think that many mainstream Democrats just like there was many never Trump is I think they're gonna be even more even more never Bernie on the left and that'll mean there'll be a lot of no shows on the on the Democratic Party side people who won't even vote and then I think a lot of moderates and a lot of middle-of-the-road people I think you know it'll be interesting but I it'll be it now let me just say this I'm terrible at political protection predictions so just humor me right you know I couldn't have imagined Trump would win although in the competition with Clinton actually thought he would win it was the you know towards the as the as the election as November approached I thought he had a better and better chance of actually winning so it wasn't shocking to me that he won but I didn't think he would win the Republican nomination so I've been wrong in politics over and over and over and over again so I wouldn't take my predictions but I do think it's an interesting interesting to think about it right yeah somebody Bernie is Bernie is the you know represents everything that this country has stood against for a sense of founding and certainly since the rise of the Soviet Union in 1914 so sorry 1917 what am I thinking so Bernie you know Bernie represents everything that is antagonistic the antithesis to everything this country stands for I don't think there's any world in which one could vote for Bernie Sanders but let's let's let's talk about why why he's popular well because he really uses the same technique in a sense as Trump and he leverages the same existential angst the same frustration the same alienation the same you know just the idea that that something's wrong in this country something's fundamentally wrong things are falling apart things are working clearly in the wrong direction and he taps into that just like Trump tapped into that and of course there's a sense in which all of that is true but what Trump does and what Bernie does very well is they appeal to people by saying look the world is truly falling apart the world is really rotten for you and I know who is to blame you know so for Trump it was China and it was immigrants and then it was the elites for Bernie it's much closer to home and it's more visceral and much more right here and in that sense much more even more anti-American I think Trump is appeal is very anti-American but I think Bernie's is explicitly anti-American he's telling us no the villains are the corporations the villains are the 1% the rich the wealthy the bankers Wall Street and of course the elites so they both share hatred of the elites whether it's media elites intellectual elites wealth elites Wall Street like elites cultural elites and they use that they use the fact that most people seem alienated from those elites particularly the intellectual elites that most people don't care about the issues that the elites think about and most people think that their elites are manipulating the system on their own behalf so blame the bankers blame the 1% blame the corporations the evil corporations are responsible for all the evils in our country and young people in particular people who don't have a lot of experience in the world that they're people who are ignorant people who are being trained almost brainwashed by our government educational system but even the private schools to hate business to hate Wall Street to hate finance to hate capitalism and to associate whatever troubles exist in America today with capitalism so we live in a capitalist system supposedly and therefore all the troubles are the troubles of capitalism we've got a whole generation several generations that have been trained with explicit leftist Marxist interpretation of American history the exploitation of capitalism the evil of wealth and the evil of the country the inherent evil they take real injustices real weaknesses of America and turn them into the fight like slavery and racism and define them into the defining characteristics of the country and instilling people and having instilling in people for decades and decades a class warfare mentality a class warfare mentality it's you against them and them and them is the rich the connected the wealthy the successful and this is partially why I think Bernie's gonna have a hard time because I don't think this message resonates in places centers that have significant democratic support both financial and in terms of voters so I don't think Bernie really resonates in Silicon Valley I mean those of you in Silicon Valley can tell me I'm wrong but I don't think Silicon Valley's leftism is the kind of Bernie Sanders leftism I think it's much more of a politically correct anti free speech transgender rights you know social issues leftism whereas Bernie is an old-style socialist he's an old-style class warfare and I don't think the class warfare plays in its constituencies and places like in democratic constituencies and places like New York and California I don't think you can win the primary in New York and I don't think you can win the primary in California and can you win can you win the democratic nomination and can you win the presidency without winning with the democratic primary California and New York I'm just I'm skeptical yeah I think somebody says Jack says that Silicon Valley people tend to be more for Warren than Sanders and I think that's right I think one is just as bad on many economic issues but one has positioned her views as saving Silicon Valley saving capitalism Sanders has no interest in saving capitalism he wants to smash it and destroy it what he's appealing to is hatred what he's appealing to is nihilism but what he's also appealing to is frustration and anger he's appealing to the same emotions that Donald Trump appeals to and I think he'll attract a very similar audience I wouldn't be surprised if some Republicans in Iowa are going to caucus as Democrats who voted for Trump will now vote for Bernie Sanders he's appealing to the working class you know I don't know if you've read his trade policy but his trade policy is straight out of Donald Trump right I mean let's go to trade policy where is it trade I've got I've opened up his there's fair trade fair trade right it says fundamentally rewrite all our trade deals to deals to prevent the outsourcing of American jobs and raise wages ensure that strong and binding labor environmental and human rights standards are written into the cortex of all trade agreements he's appealing to the same people who hate trade now Bernie Sanders is is pretty anti-immigration he won't run on that of course because the Democratic Party has positioned itself as pro-immigration and he doesn't want to alienate too many people but he is anti-immigration so he's not gonna run on a huge he's gonna run on a on an altruistic immigration policy oh we need to we need to stop deporting people and we need to we need to do more in terms of asylum but he doesn't want to bring people in with jobs he's anti you know immigrants who get a job because he doesn't want to competition for American workers so Sanders appeals to that working class but he appeals to their hatred to the resentment and to the alienation and what's scary I think is if you take the core Trump supporters and he take the core Bernie supporters and you add them up I mean the core ones the ones that excuse everything the ones that are anti-trade the ones that I hate immigrants the ones that you know you know really resent the elites and want to want to clam down on media and want to shut down Silicon Valley if you add them all up I think it's a large percentage of the American public is now on economic issues fundamentally on the left whether through a Donald Trump form of fundamentally to the left or Bernie Sanders and fundamentally in some core way nihilists in some way about tearing down so Sanders stands for all that is worse in a democratic agenda at least on economic issues I don't think Bernie really cares about the social issues I don't think Bernie cares about transgender and racism and stuff like he says he does and he talks to talk but it's not his thing he is an old line socialist who's interested in ripping down wealth and tearing down corporations and bringing people down successful people and he's not you know he's a he's a real old line socialist so what is he what are his big issues well obviously Medicare for all no compromises no private insurance really at the end of the day no private doctors everybody gets paid by the government every good good buddy gets paid what the government pays which means government becomes the I mean doctors become the equivalent of government employees he's huge on the Green New Deal and I did a whole show on the Green New Deal so I'm not going to repeat here all the evils of the Green New Deal but he's he's a big time Green New Deal and there's no accident that AOC Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is one of his big supporters and endorsers and spokesmen out there he's big on college for all free college all public institutions should be free for anybody who wants to go all college debt should be written off he stole that from I guess from from Elizabeth or she stole it from him or whatever he's for workplace democracy now workplace democracy this is the big socialist agenda you know huge support for unions big you know federal protection for fired workers provide unions with all kinds of protections and you know in a sense force over the unions onto business but in a big way in a bigger way than I think even FDR and Democrats of the past were and dictate wages for employees so he says deny federal contracts to companies that pay what he calls poverty wages or outsource jobs overseas or engage in union busting or deny good benefits pay and pay CEOs outrageous compensation packages he has a whole agenda about figuring out ways to lower CEO pay so there's a whole thing here about about you know where is it let's find I mean he wants to tax taxes on the rich yeah he says corporate accountability democracy fundamentally shift the wealth of the economy back into the hands of the workers who created it that's pure Marxism break up corporate corporate mergers and monopolies split it up companies and then increase the taxes and he's got some provision here I you know somewhere here he says if a company pays the CEO a lot it should pay more taxes the more the CEO gets paid the more the gap between the CEO and the average pay of an employee the bigger the gap the more they will be taxed in general he wants to increase taxes dramatically increase taxes and corporations and we know and I've talked about this before corporate taxes are paid by consumers and employees it is a tax on employment and a tax on consumption a tax on it's in that sense it's a regressive tax you would think that Bernie Sanders would be against a regressive tax but he doesn't want to tell you that corporations are just legal entities that pass through all their costs and they don't pass them they don't pass them to you know to the shareholders they pass them because he he needs a villain he needs a villain and the corporations are his best villains and what do we do to villains we penalize them we tax them so you go through his agenda I mean it's truly you know you couldn't come up with a more consistently Marxist I mean without being at all a communist which he's not right he's not advocating for the dictatorship of the proletarian yet right but all the classical old line socialist policies of 30 to 40 to 50 to 60 years ago not the communist but the socialist ones the ones that led us very close to communism the ones that were horrific and basically impoverished the united kingdom basically impoverished european countries that used them and basically impoverished any country that applies them and this is by the way much more radical much more consistently socialist much more anti-capitalist than anything any scandinavian country has no scandinavian countries has laws like this relating for example to corporations and by the way corporate taxes in scandinavia are relatively low because they know that corporations don't actually pay taxes right he wants to expand social security expanded it's going bankrupt but we're gonna expand it we're gonna expand medicare to medicare fall matters we'll have social security fall he wants to do federal he wants to have the post office do banking which is basically to nationalize parts of the banking system right high speed internet for all the government is going to fund internet for everybody right that'll encourage a lot of you know investment in in internet and high tech and fiber in the ground and infrastructure because hey companies love to compete with the government when the government is offering something for free i mean at every level this guy is you know massive taxes on the rich right for you know particularly on the richest of the rich real wall street reform break up the banks reinstate the last eagle cap interest rates cap interest rates which is going back to a failed policy of the united states from the 30s where interest rates on savings were capped from the 1930s until the 1970s interest rates on savings in the united regulation q it was called what capped in the united states a complete another disaster that partially ultimately led to the s&l crisis and the creation by the way of things like money markets and many many other financial innovations that were meant to get around this kind of nonsense so you know bony sanders is and so so he's just he's just you know what do you call it he's he's a leftist marxist economic you know driven by envy capitalizing on the age of envy capitalizing on the fact that people have been conditioned to be envious of those who are successful and his appeal comes from a whole for generations of people being taught that all their problems are caused by corporations and wealthy and the one percent and wall street and bankers and capitalism it is a consequence of a morality of altruism and a morality of attitude towards envy and it is a it is a consequence of a country that is lost it's lost its way it's lost his way and it's not like times are that hard that's the other thing you know in 1970 what is it 1972 mcgovern ran against nixon and mcgovern was quite a leftist i don't think quite as leftist as bony sanders was quite as leftist and um the country defeated him in a landslide and but the reason he could even get the nomination is because there was real angst you know nixon there was inflation there were nixon it imposed price controls maybe just after the election imposed them but there were price controls there was inflation there was a war in vietnam there was violence there was crime i mean things were really rotten in the day-to-day lives of americans i don't think things are quite as rotten in the day-to-day lives of americans the economy is not great but it's not bad there's no inflation we're fighting wars but meaningless wars stupid wars but not anywhere on the scope and the scale of vietnam we're not seeing body bags come back every day in a failed war there just isn't the objective existential angst that would justify people becoming so crazy as in you know so desperate as to elect bony sanders all for that matter in my view at donald trump now culturally philosophically ethically morally the country's gone to hell and it's what's worse than the 70s and that explains where we are today collectivism is rampant on left and on right tribalism is rampant an appeal to tribalism to kind of an altruistic tribalism well tribalism is altruistic and altruism leads to tribalism but it's more explicit today than ever and resentment envy hatred of the other in trump's case the other being immigrants or or china in bony sanders case the other being the rich the corporations the elites but it is truly truly a depressing and sad statement about this country that this is where we are today that we have an election that is so dominated by fear hatred resentment envy truly truly sad state of america that america supports this and an overwhelming it looks like a majority of americans you know maybe a minority a large minority of americans support these kind of policies this kind of attitude this kind of atmosphere okay um so we'll see we'll see bony wins um i hope not i hope the democrats come up with something better i hope the country rejects bony resoundly i hope even the left in america rejects bony resoundly so that we don't have to face a bony sanders donald trump election but we will see we will see it is very very um it is very early and it looks pretty bleak again bony sanders surging the polls and i've said before i think elizabeth won is more dangerous because i think she's more electable and i think she's more she's smarter and could get more done but the very fact that bony sanders is successful is a very bad sign for this country and where we are heading what we need today what i call the new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason by the intellect not by feelings wishes wins or mystic revelations any man or woman who values his life and who does not want to give in to today's cult of the stare cynicism and impotence and does not intend to give up the world to the dark ages and to the role 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