 Welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus CV Africa. Our guest is already standing by Opponabou in Kutairia, George's live Vazum from Podhakot, the River State capital. Mr. Kutairia, good morning to you. Good morning. Thank you very much. All right, all right. The Independent National Electric Commission, as we all know as today, is expected to conclude or has concluded rather the reconfiguration of the bimodal voter accreditation system, machines used for the February 25 presidential elections and national assembly elections as well. Now this is to enable them use these devices for the March 18 state elections. An official of the commission disclosed that the machines being amongst the sensitive election materials would be or will be deployed by INEC to the state offices before deployment to the local governments, wards and polling units on election day. We hear that the Nigerian Air Force are lifting these devices to the states around the country. Now on Monday it was reported that INEC had revealed that over 170,000 polling unit results from the presidential and national assembly elections held on February 25 had been uploaded to its result viewing portal IRF. The electoral body had added that the reconfiguration of beavers would be completed by Tuesday in time for the March 18 governorship and state assembly elections. So what are we to expect in the forthcoming elections? Mr. Kutairia is here to give us his expert analysis. As always, thanks again for your time. We'll put a bow in Kutairia. Do you expect anything different from what happened on February 25 on March 18? You know what the Bible says, anything would come out of Nazareth. So can anything good come out of INEC this time around? Well, considering the high blood pressure of rhetoric, we got from the INEC chairman and the president before the presidential election. And only to realize that after the elections, I mean, it was just an enemy of concrete performance. A lot of calls and hopes have been that and dream shattered. Rigging, let me say a lot of these people make is that they see rigging as a normal thing in an election. They forget that rigging is a coup covered up with niceties and complexities. It's a coup. We thought that the Divas was going to help us realize our democratic health by expounding the cancerous incident form. But that was not the case. Rather, what we saw was an illicit intercourse between INEC and the government, INEC and ATIS. That was not the case. And the product of that illicit intercourse is the emergence of all of the president-elect of the United States. I know that the Supreme Court will have done that because the fraud is seismic, the electoral fraud is seismic. And it is one election of the stencils of the metal sheets of the old indigenous people. Never in the whole history of this country have we had this back. Not even among the Mauritius, never in the history of this country have we had this back. So in the forthcoming general elections, we hope that we're not going to hear those reasonable excuses anymore. INEC was given billions of nair for the conduct of this election. Not a cover was deducted from what INEC requested for, not one from. Everywhere in Nigeria, we are groaning. Well, first with that brilliant policy, no doubt about what Babi's lamented policy of currency change. INEC was given professional treatment. That is the truth. Because the INEC chairman himself attested it after that money, the Sibyan had just released money. But that was not excuse what said. Other than connivance and complicit. In this forthcoming election, which is the government's election, I just hope and pray that INEC would have realized its purported mistakes and will go ahead to ensure that where you have just one police man, an example, one police man at the polling unit, and the police man feels overwhelmed. Now keep four, because you have the army, the civil defense, you have the police. Now keep four. If the ones close to the polling units do not have guns, the ones outside the polling units have guns. So if you say the dogs invaded that area, led by any politician, not to stand in his status. If you say the dogs invaded that area, the ones with guns will stop them. They could be accepted because they are amrovers. That's what they are, amrovers. They could be accepted. And whoever puts the gun, shoot him. He needs to take some drastic steps to cure certain drastic diseases. If you stop a gun, it's the dog he has gone. If you stop a gun, you shoot him. Then arrest the so-called leader. This thing will stop. Not when they run away with the ballot papers and so on. They come back and the people's machine comes back to say, oh, this was not happening. It will continue. What are the steps you're taking to determine the steps? What steps are you taking? They run with the ballot papers, look at the somewhere they have delivered it. I think, Father, too, you are yet to announce the result. Unless they've announced yesterday or this morning. We must end this madness and this morning. In the last presidential election, I have a conviction that it's not in the I-Net channel. I have a conviction that the only system that can be done is the I-Net Chairman and Episodes. There is no way, no way, Episodes have won the presidential election not possible. And to tell you the level of connivance, look, even if they have given it to PTOB, I would have accepted the result. Yes, I am part of it. But even if they have given it to PTOB, I would have accepted that result. It's not for the I-Net. No way, but reverse people. I'm a reverse man. Even the, uh, uh, uh, government can break out. The society in the south. It was rigged. Rigged. So they must extracts. Because the I-Net Chairman, look, I, I hope they'll come up with more stringent laws. The I-Net Chairman cannot do that. Yes, yes, you cannot monitor from your office. Then you leave that seat for somebody that can monitor from his office. Might he give me monitor from his office in the acquirement election? He monitor from his office. You must have trusted persons in your office that will monitor and give you result. Might he give me monitor and tell us how the professor was sentenced to jail? And they don't have a still person try it? It is easy. What did they do? They allowed the likes of might he give them code to go because they want to entrant fraud. That's why they allowed the likes of might he give them code to go. It's around to send the likes of might he give it to the one. What does he do? Just how many years? They say, no, go. You're too, you're too tough for us. That's why they allow people like that. So in the forthcoming, uh, and sadly, I must have this copy. Sadly, the most important election difference is the presentation. Unlike in every, in other, uh, civilized clients, where the man wants to know who is local government manager because he's closer to the grass. Or at best, he's governor. But in Nigeria, where the president is a dictator, not an autocrat. Because we have presidents that have this pension for the sovereign court of that, in subordination to the judiciary, the judiciary has no executive powers. Excuse me. It is the other hand that has the executive power. So you give it up. We've had it. I listened to, uh, well, Governor Sheo, who came on there to lie to Nigeria as a, as everybody did today. What of us has that? What of them they can do? What of Dasupi? Dasupi, the president even came out to say he's still going to detain Dasupi for security reasons. You cannot fly over Dasupi. If you're going to detain Dasupi, you apply to the courts. And tell the, tell the court, give reasons. If it's content and verify, we'll afford all our blood you. Because even the, the, the whole essence of justice is in self-security. So they'll oblige you. You don't just sit back and it's not comfortable. You can go to the W.B. with Naira Croft. They call it Naira Swap. But which is not, when, when Naira Croft is compensation of your life. What is Swap? I give to you, I give to me. Now I give to you. I can't even have access to you. What do I want? Then the president is coming after. When, why did you come out to say, 200,000 should be leg a lot, should be a leg a lot. Then now the Supreme Court says, no, all to the effect, to keep quiet. Your mutes. No, you cannot, you cannot, you cannot go to the Supreme Court. You cannot implement that thing. Everywhere it fails to implement. You should go ahead and implement. It's the Supreme Court has spoken. Your mutes. Your mutes. I call you to say you've never. When we have, we had of cases, we have Mr. President has disobeyed. And that's why I say, Kofi, that in this immunity clause, there should be an agenda. What is that agenda? Was a president disobeys a judge, not High Court, not cut of appeal for Supreme Court. Disobeys a judgment and order from the Supreme Court. That should be made an impeachable offense. It should be made an impeachable offense. That should be a grounds for, because you have grounds for impeachment. I hope Nigeria will understand that there's a great difference between impeachment and removal. In impeachment, it's just official enactment. What do you say impeachment procedures led into enactment before removal? So it should be a ground. Very interesting points to make. The annex chairman, Mahmoudia Kubu, has been speaking since the presidential elections and the charade, if you want to call it that. He said that Bivas will work well for the state and the governorship elections. He's given Nigerians so assurances. This was after the declaration of Pabola Ametin was a president-elect and he said that they've intensified their review. The annex has intensified the review of the technology used for the Bivas to ensure that the issues they faced, particularly with the uploading of results, will be sorted out. And he says that their commission is confident going forward that the system will work well in the governorship. I blogged for the second president. As you go, we're talking, as you discuss, you use the Bivas in the office in election. You had mock trials of the Bivas. You told Nigerians that the Bivas would be used and the Bivas are working optimally. That's what he said to me. And that was when a lot of Nigerians in the dark were out. All right. Can you hear me, please? If you can't, I'm sure probably it's the network glitch rule. I try to get back to him in a matter of seconds. I'll be prompted when he comes back on the network issue. Maybe that's what the Bivas faced on that day. But that's what the Annek Chairman, Professor Mahmoud Yacuba, said, is that they have done a review that they have intensified. They had an intensive review of the technology and they're going to ensure that the issues that they experienced, Annek experienced, during the February 25 presidential and national assembly elections will be a thing of the past. Of course, there are five things that Annek is going to do ahead of a governorship election. They have organized refresher training for ad hoc staff who took part in the last election. Refresher training, a refresher training for ad hoc staff who took part in the presidential and parliamentary elections in Nigeria. Of course, one of the complaints. I'm told we have a Puna Buon Kotari back on the line. Missing Kotari, if you can hear me, I'm sorry about that network challenge. I'm sure we can all understand it happens. Please unmute your device so that we can hear you well. And then you can please proceed with the point we're making. Okay, Puna Buon Kotari. The commissioners, as one of the things that they, one of the complaints that we heard from the political parties was that and observers, they felt that ad hoc staff of Annek were not really conversant with their processes and procedures. They were not even really conversant with the laws and guiding the elections and what they were meant to do. We can see that in some instances people took their phones to the polling booth. In some instances people raised up their ballot papers to show, you know, the press. In some instances also. Like, Mr. President? Yes, yes. And in some instances you have to go there, you know, media houses, press, the press were allowed to follow politicians into the booth and film them and to see what they were doing, which is against the law. You know, so do you think this refresher training that Annek has conducted for its ad hoc staff will change anything, especially looking at the fact that some of these ad hoc staff have been accused of intentionally looking the other way? Coffee, like I said to you, initially. We've lost it. There's the last chance for my movie to redeem his image because there is no shred of respect. It's not even a single outfit for the Annek German, right? If he doesn't know. You know, Manusou was removed. And I don't know if you heard of Manusou again. Some way, a lot of them forget that whatever you do will live with you and after you. They forget. Mamoudi Akubu was one man that I didn't expect. We're waiting for the presidential election rubbish. Coffee, we are not interested in the details. If you want me to be interested in the details, then bring the ballot box to my house. Bring the people to my house. You are paid for that job. You should like get ideas on how best to run Manusou election. You've been given every couple in this for that election. Summer, you see, even in 2019, even in 2019, they were given billions of the summer. When they went, because we already lost that 2019 election, when they went to court and they denied the use of the summer. And the courts said it was not part of the election. The problem I have in this country is that our courts give judgment and they don't deliver justice. I'm very sorry to say, most of them are corrupt. Corrupts. They deliver judgment, but they don't, they don't give you, but they don't deliver justice. It's very simple. I've said it here. Now you're going to tell me that you've learned from the past one, which is the most important election in the country. You have polluted to read that election. You say you've learned because the government should be elected. Yes, it's as important. But in Nigeria, like I said, the most important election is the presidential because our Nigerian presidents are autocrats. They're dictators. So let us get this. No problem. Once we get it, we know how to do it. Most times you can see the president dictate you to the governor, unless you have another government who says, you know who is, what is on you. You know who is on you. You say, no. So now Nigeria is satisfied. It has delivered a country to a man and a part of itself. A man, what is a man not telling us what, what happened? What were the loopholes? What were the loopholes? You did off-season elections. You did mock triad. What are you going to do? Yeah, you talked about the most annoying thing. It was silent. Okay. Please tell me to take you back to something you said earlier. We said that they should have deployed more police officers, you know, at the polling, you know. Yeah, I said all that. Yeah, the polling units and not units, not units, not units. Polling stations. Yeah, centers. Polling centers. Sorry. Yeah. It's against the law. Yes, polling centers. Sorry. Yeah, I said polling stations. But this could actually be possible, you know, at the fact that we have elections holding in just 28 states. So that would be minus, minus, minus, minus eight states, plus the FCT, where they don't have a governorship election. And I don't think they have a house of assembly. So that would mean minus nine. But even if you have a double level of police officers, it could be alleged or has been alleged that the police, and it's been seen are being part of the rigging arrangement. So that may not, may not tell you. We look at a pi-boom state where the military arrested police officers. I agree with you. I agree with you, Kofi. I completely agree. Like, like, okay, sorry. Your sister said I made that point. As I said, for example, Kofi, you are in plus TV now. Even if you're not going to say it on air, or even to police, you already know if you have to discharge certain functions, who to trust in plus TV. Kofi? Hello? Yeah, we can hear you, sir. Please go. Okay. Please tell them to delete the arrow in the openable. Okay. Okay. Sorry about that, please. Sorry about that. No, no, no. It's okay. It's okay. My dear brother, we all make mistakes. I'm not bothered about that. Okay. Now, if, like I said, you're in plus TV, you might be friendly with everybody there. They might not even know your preference. But when the chiefs are down, you know who to confide in, you know who to ask for assistance and so on. The NXM has to do so. Because you know this excuse of, I'm at the top. So you don't have to know everything. Yes, you are at the top. I don't expect you to know everything. But that's why you have the lieutenants. So if you don't get the feedback from the lieutenants, then your lieutenants are caught up. If, for example, something happened, because IBP uses excuse with people's back. That's a lie. It was orchestrated. The architects are strong. And when they asked, I said, I didn't know. And IBP said, you can imagine the person you are managing this small place. Now, I said, that is not excuse. When something happened, it has happened in the last one. That is the presentation. What steps have you taken? Like I said, Mikey Ginny did in Aquarium. What steps have you taken that will serve as a deterrent? It has happened. You mentioned the policemen. Have they been arrested and are they being prosecuted? And if they have been arrested and prosecuted, then it should be made public. It cannot be done surreptitiously. That we can do the confidence of Nigeria in the process. Because any policeman that is arrested and not prosecuted publicly, he has actually asked him at the behest of the IG. If you're writing a lie, a petition, then who are you going to send it to? You don't have to the IG. When it's a good thing, you take credit. When it's bad, you send you dissolute. It cannot work. You don't try to pick in the Okay. So you're talking about persecution. I mean, even in real estate, there are videos going around. You said the beavers are now working and so on. Do you have experts in technology? Yeah, but the question is who will arrest these policemen? I mean, saying Kutaira, even in real estate, there are videos of policemen who were taken. I know that that's what I'm saying now. Yeah, to rig elections, celebrating and making. They're everything carrying the balance paper for beavers. We saw them. I agree with you. So who is going to go after these police officers? That's a big question. And we have to go. But I like to say that was not the police officer, because I was a policeman. We should make a distinction. Let's say I'm correct. You're the policeman. Now, the policeman, was he not detained? Don't they have records before you send the policeman out? This is recorded. So what are we talking about? That is the excuse. Other than complicit and connivance. Before you send the policeman, it was recorded. From your station, you, before you assign somebody to a beach. Is it not recorded? You said you go there. The administration briefing briefing. You just say, uh, that's not what you just required. Anybody goes on call. We are not just talking of a robin journal. We are not just talking of somebody who just went out to search for news. But we are talking of a situation where you have to send somebody, detail somebody. You know who you sent. So if they say, pulling A, we're pulling unit A, there is this problem. You know who to call. And in this particular case, thank God for technology. You have the video. What is happening? Why would we know what has happened to that policeman? You tell me your investigation. What are you investigating? What are you investigating? And the policeman will not mention the politician that asked him to do what he's doing. He will not be prosecuted. That's the way you stop it. That's the way you can stop this madness. Because it is a tool. Breaking is a tool. Come out of it. Nice it is and complete it. All right. We have to go. We have to go. We're out of time. But then, uh, I mean, the issues are so much, so many. You know, I mean, from, I mean, we've seen video evidence of politicians tearing, destroying battle papers that are, uh, not, you know, voting for their parties and all that, giving police officers money, thugs threatening voters and chasing them and all that. Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate. We have to go. Open up. Thank you so much for your time. Remains to be seeing what will happen on Saturday. Some have said they won't come out to vote because they feel their vote will not count. Maybe we might see. Let's see. Let's see. Record low try. All right. Thank you so much for your time. I mean, in the meantime, there is action in River State where you are. To the left of the screen. I just saw recently a young man I know who is in the APC. And they're saying the youth wing of the parties endorsing the PDP governorship candidate. And it's a bit confusing with the Labour Party as well. PDP has its own issues. I mean, it's so confusing. We'll go get back to you. So, Kili, thank you so much for your time and have a wonderful day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kofi. And good morning, Nigeria. All right. We'll have more discussions ahead. Of course, up next, we'll look at the latest inflation figures released by the National Bureau of Statistics and, of course, the effect on an already struggling economy. Stay with us.