 What would be your, your taken or what would you, you know, comment or say to, to women, you know, like yourself single women that may find herself in abusive situations or seeking help from a church? What would be your stance with that? It's disheartening. It's bad enough that women don't feel safe and protected as it is. And then when you are in a body of believers who love the same God that you love and worship with you on a Sunday, Wednesday or Tuesday, and then you have an issue or a problem and they cannot protect you. That is a disheartening feeling. And so for me, I'm at a crossroads now because I feel like we're exposing what's been going on for a very long time. And having a solution to something is going to be something that's going to be progressive and it's going to take time because this has been going on for years. It's been happening in the black church and the word of faith ministries. And now it's coming out in the reformed. And so the question is, what do we do about it now and then how do we restore the victims from the past as well? Because when you have a cover up like this and I agree with Lisa 100%, this is corruption at its finest. And then to know that other people were raped on campuses in different things like that. This is a pattern of behavior that is being done. And so it's where do we chop the head off, right? Because not only in the Christian world do we deal with this. We deal with this in universities. We deal with this in workplace. So it's where do we start, so to speak. I think for women though, making sure that you have a council of people that you can talk to outside of the church. They can still be believers, but people outside of the church and not draw back because I feel like with with situations that deal with the church and just reading Eileen's story that there was so much bullying and so many things that were coming against her to not be able to spread this story, to not be exposed because you know what you do in the dark, it's going to come to the light. However, we're going to go through different tasks to not let that happen. I thought something was very disgusting when John McArthur said, because I think she had cancer during the process of this. We kept mentioning that she could potentially die because the cancer was a manifestation of her sin. That she was abused, not that she was abusing someone else. That is a problem. And so I think for women to have more safe spaces within more women, I say this all the time we live in an era where grandmothers are now 47 and 30 where there used to be 50 and 60 and we had real tightest two models and we don't have that anymore. And making sure that people that are building churches and opening up their doors that there is a space for women in there, whether they're counselors, whether they're mentors, having that opportunity so women can feel safe. Men also men like you say go and the men that are on your channel to continue to bring up other men to be honorable men of God, not just with their mouth but with their actions, because a lot of people are faking the funk and they're not out here representing who they really are it's all lip service. And even with this particular case to we have to realize that John MacArthur is a man at the end of the day. He's in we all fall short that that's that's Bible. And we have to stop putting people on pedestals as if just because they preach and teach a good word doesn't mean that they're going to fall short. We do it in our own lives every day. Just as you post videos and lies that shall highlight real nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors except Miss Sharon. That's right. We have to stop making these people our gods you said something so profound the other day I don't know which lie there was because there's so many of them, but you said that cheap or dumb, and that they need a leader to be able to be followed. And so when you think about that is why are Christians out here striving to be celebrities. Why are they striving to have these platforms to be these great people. Why. And then when they do get to this level and they fall people like oh my gosh, and now people want to walk away from God or they want to walk away from the church, not realizing that it's not them that you should be looking at it's God that you should be looking at, and that these are just instruments, all of us on this panel we are instruments being used by God to give God his glory. Amen. So I just think that I don't even know where to begin, because I'm dishearted I'm disgusted by all of this, even reading the accounts. It just reminds me of how I say, we are not safe and we are not protected. Man, what is that going to take. We talk about this all the time how all these ministries are building up women to be wives and stuff but where the ministries helping men become men. I think that they can take on the role of if they desire to be husbands that they can actually do that because many people desire marriage but don't understand the roles and responsibilities. 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Let's do that. I'm going to have my Detroit fitted on. You put your new, I'm going to do that. That's what's up. Yep, I am. And what she do, she come up in the green room showing all little Indian curly hair. I said, girl, that's all right. I'm going to let you make it. I'm going to let you make it. But anyway, she has been on this broadcast before. I am so excited to have her to come on. And we're going to be chopping some things up. We're going to be dishing some stuff out. We're going to keep it real. We're going to keep it raw. But we're going to be righteous about it. All right. So just standing by, you will be seeing her just in just a moment. But first, I want to lay out the foundational text, what we are going to be discussing. Somewhat discussing, but at the same time, I want to just lay out a foundational text for you and I to know how we're going to be moving as brothers and sisters in Christ. Of course, you know, a lot of things have been going on in the church today. And if you have been following this ministry and following this channel, you know how I feel about body life. You know how I feel about body life. You know how I feel about my brothers and sisters and particularly my sisters in Christ. Men, we are called to protect our women. That is one of our missions. That is one of our responsibilities. It is not the women, it is not the women's or the wife's responsibility to protect us. It is our responsibility to protect our women. All women should be protected. All women should be safe. All women should have to worry about whether or not they are secure in their person when we're around. And so I take this very, very seriously because I believe the word of God takes it very seriously. And if we are in His ambassadors, then we should as well too. So the foundational text I want to look at tonight is 1 Timothy chapter five verse one and two, which says, Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father to the younger men as brothers to the older women as mothers. And here's where I'm hanging my hat for tonight. And the younger women as sisters in all purity, as sisters in all purity. Why is that important? Because we're to protect our women's purity, not just sexually, but in every, in every facet, in every facet of their life. We are the protectors of women. They should not have to worry about being protected when men are around. So when you go into a church, that should be the safest place for women to go into. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Unfortunately, that is not. And it is to the, it is to the shame of these so-called men who are not stepping up and standing in their square and holding back predators and securing those that have been entrusted to their care and to their charge. And that is the innocent, that is the women, that is the, that are the children that God is going to hold as responsible as men on how we have held and how we've handled our stewardship. So we got a lot of stuff we're going to talk about tonight. Again, I am excited to have my sister on this platform and I'm just going to bring her on. She's going to introduce herself to some of you who do not know her, but others you do. None other than Miss Michelle McGee from the N-O-N-Y. Look at it. See, look at it. Now she wanted to wear it. Pressure? Pressure? Pressure much? Come on. What's going on, girl? Hey! So you're not wearing it and grabbing it. Yes, I was trying to give off the waves today. See there? See there? All the Indian hair right there. Oh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, this ain't no wig. This ain't no wig, y'all. Yeah, go ahead and show your edges. Go ahead and show a little baby hair. Look, let everybody know that ain't no wig, that ain't no horse. Ain't no horse getting jacked today. Hey, don't think anybody wants to know I'm black mixed with black mixed with more black. Okay? So you're not Indian? Probably somewhere down the bloodline, but you know for the most part, you know. Okay, I thought you looked like an Indian. No, I know you lie. You know that's not right. You know that's not right. I told you, y'all, we about to get it, y'all. We about to get it. Listen, ain't too many times. Ain't too many times when I can act a fool, but listen, when I want to act a fool, I know who to act a fool. No, I ain't say ACT. I say AK. I know who to act a fool with. That's right. So listen, girl, I'm glad you're here. I'm glad you were able to take time out of your busy busy schedule to be a part of this live. We've been talking about this for quite some time. And I have remembered that you were on here March the 8th. Matter of fact, it's been over a year since you came on on the panel discussion and and here you are. So let people know a little bit about yourself, you know, who you are, your marital status. Listen, I'm trying to get her chose y'all. I'm trying to let me let me do my let me do my infomercial really quick. Are you a male? Do you love God? Do you have a job? Do you have zero to one and a half kids? Then you, sir, could be the one for Miss Michelle McGee. Give me a call at 832-513-blank-blank-03. That is again, 832-513-blank-blank-03. And you too can be the one to choose Miss Michelle McGee. Won't you come? Won't you come? Alright, that's infomercial right there. That's infomercial right there. That's infomercial right there, girl, that's infomercial. They still gotta walk through a whole different vetting problem. Oh, listen, when we say there's layers to this, listen, listen, listen, norad, norad don't have that many layers. Alright, trust me, you're gonna have to go through some layers. Trust and believe that. Alright, so listen, yeah, my boy said cue the internet and the players out. I choose you, girl. Okay, look, we're gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. We got some stuff to get down to, y'all, listen. Alright, go ahead, girl, listen. That people know a little bit about yourself and what brings you here around these parts. Go ahead, sis. Alright, my name is Michelle. I am born and raised in New York. I've been in Texas for about six years. You know our friendship anniversary just passed, by the way. Are you serious for real? Yeah, uh-huh. When was it? March, April? May 6th. May 6th, wow. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's when we bumped into you in the Walmart. Listen, go ahead and talk about it. Go ahead and tell them. Don't tell them how you accosted me and my family. I did not accost you and your family. Okay, so check this out. So, I was living in California at the time and I had started, I went to Bible College and in that process, I was online in these different groups and I stumbled across the form theology. And with that, I started stumbling across people's pages on Facebook. So it was you, Lisa Spencer, a whole bunch of people. So I just followed you all because I enjoyed your content. I didn't give a rat's wrinkle about where you lived or anything because I was just like, I like what they're posting and saying. So when my family and I moved here on May 6th, we touched down like around 12 o'clock and we went across the street to the Walmart to get stuff for our new apartment. And I'm in the Walmart and this guy's walking around with his family and I'm like, you know how you get that feeling like you know somebody? And I'm like, why do I know him? Like his face just looks familiar. And so I just kind of walk up to you and I'm like, hey, I know you but I don't know why I know you. And so then we figured out it was from Facebook and then you guys invited us over for Thanksgiving dinner and we've been friends and family since. I like that one. Great story. Yeah, that was a pretty cool story too. Yeah, she pulled on and as a matter of fact, you know, I was strapped because I stayed strapped. I ain't listening. I ain't listening. My bullets don't discriminate. Yeah, my bullets don't discriminate. I didn't know. I was like, okay. She's like, hey, are you? What is your name? What is your name? What is your name? I said, uh, Seiko. I said, yeah, that's it. That's it. I follow you all the time. I'm like, follow me. You follow me all the time? That wasn't a good way. That wasn't a good way to use that term. I follow you all the time. I said, okay, follow me. But yeah, we, we have been cool. We have been cool ever since. I mean, first Thanksgiving dinner. I was a 2017. I'm assuming, right? 2017. 2017. So 2017, uh, her family. And listen, I love, I love me some miss flow. Y'all, y'all not going to listen. Yep. Miss flow can rob a bank. And I guarantee you I will still be her character witness. You understand me? I would. That, that, that is one of the sweetest women I have known. And, and back in the day, miss flow, man, listen, you should have got one of your, one of your granny's pictures. I know. When I say, when I say, when I say miss flow had it going on back in the day, you know, she probably watching this too. Miss flow, miss flow. No. See, when you, when you know you got it going on, you ain't got a brag. Somebody can brag on you. You ain't got to say nothing to you. You ain't got to say nothing to you for yourself. People say it for you. But yeah, so she came, she came over. And I mean, when we have game nights and all that kind of stuff, it was just, it was just, it was never a dull moment when we hang out and we hang around. And so I have, I have been blessed just by the, by the friendship, you know, and even by the, the brotherly and sisterly love that we have for each other. And, and oh, by the way, um, her, her mom, who's in the, who's in the chat. Sister Ross, she's just as crazy too. Um, and if you want to hear New Yorkers talk and really get her going, talk to her mom. I mean, I sometimes, I sometimes get her going so hard. I can let the, I can let the New York and the BX, you know, come out. Matter of fact, somebody had asked the question, what borough are y'all from? First of all, we are not from a borough. We are from Long Island. Okay. Here we go. My fault. My fault. I mean, listen, no shade to the boroughs at all, but we are from Long Island. We are strong Island. Okay. Okay. So could you, can you, I mean, cause you kind of took offense to that, you know, I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. So can, could you break down when somebody asks that question and say, what borough are you from? And you kind of like, you know, had to check us like that. Go ahead. Tell us, you know, what is that about? It's not really a check. It's just that people always assume that when you're from New York, you're from a borough. And people forget their Staten Island is Long Island. There's Rochester. Like there's different parts of New York. So, but everybody just thinks of Brooklyn. And we're like, no, and we even our vernacular is different. Like Long Islanders, we sing when we talk. We're not as rough with the New York accent. So, you know, people from the boroughs, they don't really like us because they think we out on greenery and the water. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. On the, on the what? On the water. You want me to say coffee, peanut butter, more. I mean, you know, those are staples. They're never not going to happen. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Now, you know, you know, you got to do this one too. Now you know you got to do this one. Please, please, please pronounce my wife's name for the record. Sharon. I mean, how else would we pronounce it? First of all, she loving when y'all be anybody from New York, anybody from the East Coast. And don't be from Boston. Oh my gosh. Do not be from Boston. Oh yeah. They carry that joint. They carry that joint. I mean, the a is long gated. I'm talking about we don't pronounce the a like anybody who you all would pronounce it as amber. We say amber. Like we don't really. It's just like whatever. It's not quarter. We say quarter. Like what do you mean? And what about what about what about car? Call. Oh Jesus. I'm sweating already. I'm crying. Okay. Okay. All right. Where are we? Where are we at? Where are we at? Okay. As you all know, I'm Michelle. Yeah. Let me be dignified for a moment. For one reason, New York. Live in Texas for right now six years. I am like a Jamaican. I have like multiple jobs. So by day Monday through Friday, I work for domestic violent shelter as an accounting supervisor. I also work retail. And then I have my own event planning business here in Texas. I do weddings and all type of special events. I am 35 years old. six in a couple of weeks. So I'm excited about that. And I am me. Seiko's probably going to cringe, but I'm righteous and ratchet at the same time. The Lord is still doing the inner work in me. I love Jesus. I'm passionate about all things Jesus and I'm passionate about things about people. And I'm a goofball. And here recently my life has been consumed with fitness. In that video, do you see the difference in my face and this little 50 pound weight loss? Okay. Yes, I do. My God, the transformation is getting there. Yep. Yep. Yep. You definitely, you definitely, you definitely helped me with some of my questions, man. You just don't understand. Oh, let's get into this. That's how you know Holy Spirit connected. Huh? I said that's how you know it was Holy Spirit connected. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right. So listen, let's get into it. By the way, ladies and gentlemen, if you just joined, this is my little sister in the Lord, Michelle McGee. We're going to be talking about a host of topics. We did put some of the, I did put some of the comment on the questions rather in the description. And that's just a little taste of what we're going to be discussing. She does not know, she has no idea of any of the questions. She has no idea what I'm going to drop on her. I love organic live conversations. It kind of like puts people on their toes and helps them to think on their feet. So let's get into this, sister. All right. You already mentioned that you're single. That's, that's, that's clear, right? But it's, it's RT. Well, let me put it this way. It's being single a blessing, a burden, or both. How would you, how would you, you know, put that your, your season or your, your, your category? I mean, you've been a single woman. You've been single. You have never been married before. Never been married before, right? No. Okay. So how would you, how would you define or how would you characterize your, your singleness? Is it a blessing? Is it a burden? What are the, what are the pros? What are the quote unquote cons? What are the struggles? What are the joys of being single or is it a little combination of both? Go right ahead, my sister. I say for me, it's a combination of both right now. It's a blessing because I am at liberty to do whatever it is I need to do. Like right now with me preparing for my competition for all of you while I'm preparing for a body building show for those that have lost a lot of amount of weight. So for me, I have a freedom to do what I need to do. I don't have to take care of anybody else because I went from being not an athlete to training like an athlete. I go to the gym six days a week. I train Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then I have to go to the gym to do additional training. So I'm tired consistently and then I have to meal prep because we have these certain meals that we have to eat throughout the week. So for me right now, I don't have the time to put forth the effort to make a man feel like the man that he needs to feel like essentially, right? So that's where the blessing comes in. Then there's still things that God has me working on that I need to do as far as ministry is concerned. But the burden is the flip side of that is that I don't want to carry these 45 cases, the 45 count of water up the steps. I don't want to do that. My feet hurt sometimes. My joints hurt. Like I said, I'm about to be 36. Sometimes I need a massage. I got to move. You tired of rubbing yourself, huh? You tired of rubbing on yourself? Or paying almost $100 to get it done. Where you can just have a husband and just give him a meal and we're all grown. We catch my drift. We got it. We caught it. It's gone. But you know, those are the things that, you know, I desire. And then too, I've been on my own for a very long time. So for me being with someone is a partnership. Like it is so nice to be able to have someone ask you how your day is or to be able to talk things over. I'm a numbers person. So I deal with numbers all day. I'm constantly crunching numbers. I'm constantly looking at my finances and seeing things. And sometimes it would be nice to just have someone to share that load with. Even though I'm trying to be a kept woman, because I don't want to work. I've been working since I was 11 years old. So not that my mom had me a child like, but I just, I like to work. But you know, so for me, that's the part that I miss. And then also too, it's a desire that I've had for a long time, right? It's not something that was ever modeled for me. I've never saw a great marriage before outside of being an adult and partnering with people that have been married. But so I know that this desire comes from the Lord. It's just like, did you, did you forget the tracking number? Did you forget about me? Because sometimes I just be like, okay, hey, it's me. I know Judy broom worked the book, but I'm like, dear God, it's me Michelle. I've been a faithful servant. I did all the things, even the legalistic ones too, right? But yet you're blessing Becky Sue, who can't even read songs or doesn't even know where Malachi is in the Bible with a husband. And she got a good one, one, pronouncing or pronouncing or pronouncing Job job. There you go. But there is, I will say, and I'm only going to speak for me, right? Because of my age bracket. But if someone in their 20s would ask me about it, I always say, if you have a desire to do something, so in this case marriage, right? Keep that as the forefront. So when you're out in the street, you're engaging yourself with someone that desires to be married, you're not going to do things that's going to put you in a position that you won't be chosen as a wife or wife capabilities will not be seen. However, still live your life because I got to tell people all the time. I've been Michelle for 35 years. So when the Lord decides me to bless me with a husband, then I'm now going to change the identity from Michelle to wife. And then if he gives us children, then I now have the identity of a mother. And I don't want to be in a marriage where I'm resentful because Michelle didn't get to accomplish everything that Michelle was supposed to do that I neglect the wifely duties or the children duties, or I become resentful because now that's my new identity. And I think that that's something that we don't teach women enough. And then understand that when you're interlocking with someone, you're interlocking with their purpose. So submission is not a bad word for me. It is for a lot of people, but I understand that my role is to be a help me and that there are some things about my old life that may not carry on into my new life. And I have to be okay with that. Now, I'm glad you laid that out, which brings me right into the next question. You kind of already mentioned that you want to be married. That's obvious. For me, I know that's obvious because we've had these conversations, you've had these conversations with your older sister. I'm not going to ask y'all because y'all called my wife Ms. Sharon. And I mean, it's just funny to me when y'all be doing that. Ms. Sharon. Why? It's respect. It's Ms. Sharon. Because she already said it makes a sound old, like, yeah, you are old there. I mean, you're old. I mean, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no. First of all, first of all, first of all, we're not going to use old, she is seasoned honey. She's like a good bottle of aged wine, you know, the more that it permeated the better it tastes. Come on now. We're going to put some respect on Ms. Sharon's name. And second of all, when we say Ms. Sharon, it's Ms. Sharon. It's not like, Oh, that's mother Sharon down there. No, it's miss Sharon. Hey Okay For me, I mean, I'm sorry I mean it seems like I can't say anything about my wife because it's not if it ain't you Then it's levina or if it ain't levina then it's it's natash. It's like I can't say nothing about my own rib I'm I wasn't saying it like she oh like an old tire or nothing like that I'm just saying you know like oh, but I'm sorry and I wouldn't say this you you talking like a slave miss Sharon Miss Sharon So that's fine. I mean, I'm the one with the questions, but no no problem. All right, we can we can switch mics all you want That's fine. No problem Okay, so so You want to be married? That's that's that's out there It's out there now in these internet streets. Everybody knows that but ladies and gentlemen If you got a son, there's still layers If you bring them over here There's still layers to this joint. Okay, so you want to be married, but here's my question, ma'am How do you know That you are marriage material. How do you know how what what makes you? confident that you are ready To be a wife and and if you are how can you help or what advice could you give other single women Who are claiming or wanting to be married? But they might not be wife material. They still want to be made for the streets But I'll let you kind of like explain that what makes you believe or makes you think that you want to be married that you are the married type Well, for one, you just endorsed me and gave me a public service announcement for that right there. You know, I'm on the bcv channel I might get like 12 videos made after me about why Is You know, that's a really good question and it's actually a question that I've hindered myself. Um, but here's the thing, right? I'm gonna be real black church for a second. Come on. What do we say that? God does it, uh He doesn't qualify you like he doesn't call to qualify qualifies the call Exactly. So what in life are you actually really ready for right? But I think that there's preparation to get you to certain things. However, the readiness I think we place this emphasis on it Like you have to have this 100 percent together in order for something to be successful But sometimes you may have half the tools and then the other half is is once you get connected to whatever that is So in this case, it would be marriage, right? um As far as for me personally, I think that because I always tell people I do not have a blueprint for marriage But I have the wisdom from being a believer and being in my word and I also glean from other married people As well So what I say that I would walk into a marriage 100 percent confident No, because I've never been married before so that's the experience that I'm gonna go through But as far as everything else is concerned, let me say let me think about my qualifications I can cook. I can clean Uh I like the word submission Uh, let me think. No, I'm just being silly Um But hey, but listen, those are real though. Those are real But you know, some people say that but then you have like zero personality. So you're boring. You're boring. You're boring Like come on. Come on. Come on. And you're funny. I would you you are funny for your funny female. You're funny chick. You funny chick Yeah, yeah But I think that as as I as I represent christ, I think that I walk my instagram name is actually clothing dignity I try to represent that in all that I do and try to be a woman of god as the scriptures outline Hints why clothing dignity is important to me because it comes from proverbs 31 25 She is clothing strength and dignity and I think that is the The story of my life for the things that I have experienced and how god just has developed me into this woman Who is kind and caring and considerate? And loves from places that she doesn't even know Exists because it comes only from above So and I know that I'm a helpmate from even just being in the world and dating The constant with men that I've always dated with this you you you inspire me to be a better man Um, but unfortunately you just are not my man because whoever is my husband Is going to be able to respond because I am his rib. So therefore there will be a connection that makes sense So for me, those are like the pre qualifiers as I've been older and dating that kind of like yeah This whole marriage thing is definitely the lane that you should be in plus I don't even know how to be a girlfriend. Like I just be ready like to take care of stuff. I'm ready I don't I don't know how to be a girlfriend and then there's no girlfriends in the bible either So then that means yeah, I'm a wife. Mm-hmm. Yep. I'm a whole wife So much for humility. Um, anyway That was gone No, but see but see that and let's just say this there's a difference between being confident and being cocky, right? We would agree with that if you know what you know and you are and you believe you prepare There's nothing wrong with that because you don't you don't want a guy to to to pull up on you And then you're not sure and certain about yourself. You know I'm saying, uh, or or He finds himself always having to boost you up boost you up boost you up Let me your self-esteem is just almost, you know low level almost snake belly level No, you you need to have a confidence about yourself being being sure about who you are and who's you are And knowing that hey whoever whoever gets me they have a gift Not not a return not a return policy They have a gift, right? So that that is very important. I believe um that you that you mentioned that so Let's talk about men um What do you look for in a man miss michelle? What matter of fact, give me give me the there's two categories. There's two categories. I do what my daughter's been doing with you What are your non-negotiables and your negotiables? okay I like to start off with the negative right that's corporate america and we're gonna start off with the problem and give the solution um So for me non-negotiables lying Cheating well, let me let me do it in order I'm uh, you you got to love jesus. Okay, you can't love god because you You can't you can't get to the father without getting to the son. So no none of that spiritual nonsense You have to believe her in christ um and then lying and cheating and uh Not a good communicator and unhealed those are My non-negotiables. I mean those those are non-negotiable. There's there's there's there's nothing in that in that category That you would like okay, you know, okay now you did it now you did this You know now we want to work we can work this out But I mean, but this this is like you're done off of the head. You're done Like i'm done. Okay. Okay. So brothers. I mean she's she's telling you she's letting y'all know So you you come in you got to come correct. That's that's the non-negotiables in any Any other non-negotiable. I can think of one. I'm like, well, I think I will believe if he loves jesus You're not gonna put his hands on you, right? Correct. So yeah, so if you're an unbeliever, I mean that we really don't have much to talk about Yeah, the other category ain't gonna matter at that point. Yeah, you know you don't qualify Yeah, that's why it's number one because they're gonna say the application. Just just say the application Just just you know, matter of fact, you just hit the delete button Okay Yeah, yeah, okay So what what about okay, so what are your negotiables? What are some things that you're willing to, you know Take some time work through, you know With that person if you if you find that person suitable that there's somebody that you want to Be with what what are some things that you can be patient with this brother on and uh and say, you know what? Okay, that's that's that's that's that's who he is blah, blah, blah You know, what what are those things that you mean? So I mentioned unhealed as a non-negotiable But I think that someone that's actively working towards their healing journey or getting themselves together This is what I say about relationships It's like a deck of cards Put all 52 on the table if I tell you that I'm only willing to deal with 13 out of the 52 Then I'm somebody you don't want to deal with you want someone that's gonna look at your 52 cards and go Okay, boom bet pick them up and this is what we're gonna work with So when you're open and honest and you're putting everything out on the table How it's giving someone the framework to say this is what I'm willing to deal with and I think a lot of times We have a lot of broken communication where people don't feel Don't feel comfortable with doing that right because someone in their past may have made them feel like no They can't talk about their emotions or I know with men Women have placed like the superhero label on them as if they're not allowed to do anything It's almost like performance Measurement right um that men have to come ready Like you know and not ready in the mindset because that's most important But ready with everything to have and not realizing like sis. You're an entire help mate You are here to help build There are some things that are laying dormant inside of a man Because the help mate hasn't arrived to wake those things up to continue to propel if the bible says that a man Defined it for life might as a good thing. What what do you what do you think that means? There is something inside of you, but a lot of women don't know how to build up men So Or don't want to because it goes back to what you said before They can't because they don't know who they are and they're looking to men as savior I tell people all the time There's one man that died on a cross for me and his name is jesus and so that is my lord and my savior You whoever that's going to be you are my husband. There is a difference So I think for me anybody that's willing to communicate And tell me what's going on. We're good to go. Um other characteristics. Um, you can't fake Integrity and intentionality. It's just who you are you either you got it or you don't And so for me those are things because anybody that is intentional With themselves, they're going to be intentional naturally with other people And I love a man that is disciplined because when you're disciplined Uh, you are not like we say all the time in fitness I'm never motivated to go to the gym, but I'm disciplined because of the results that I'm getting So therefore a man that takes time to be disciplined in his life Whatever he says he's going to do his word is his bond That's the kind of leader that I would have wanted my household All right What about the sister that uh, I'm gonna say sister in the meaning and in salvagory sense, but for my Uh, what was her name the one that uh, that was on yana venzance in a podcast or whoever it was And she was asked the question would you marry a bus driver? Or would you take a bus driver and her answer was does he own the the bus line and she caught flack for that What what is your thoughts about, you know, women who uh, who have that type of, you know Mentally that you know, that man must make a certain amount of money in order to be Even to even be, you know, worth my time, you know Do you think that those kinds of women are realistic or do you think those are just, you know Standards that they have and you you have to respect it So we have these conversations I used to be a part of a church where we used to do couch conversations for singles And we used to have these conversations all the time and I remember We had a similar one where they asked everyone to raise their hand for if you want the man with six figures a six pack Um, and what's the other six and majority of the women majority of the women For me, he was like, okay So how many people would date a guy that made $50,000 and I raised my hand Why I said because If he makes $50,000, I make $50,000 right now. We had a hundred thousand. So we $50 plus the okay $50,000 plus the I said in second of all I in the same thing I just said a few minutes ago If I am a help me If he could be making $50,000 now, but he doesn't even realize maybe he doesn't know the corporate structure of how to move up Right, maybe he got this job and just this is all he knows But he comes and meets me and I'm like no if you do x y and z if you negotiate your salary this way Then you can move up in the ranks. Maybe he has a business idea But never felt comfortable to talk to anybody about it or had a mentor So for me The corporate side of things from being in corporate america. I understand that that's a man. That's get ready to work 24 seven May not be in the home as much is that what you want? As as a desirable mate and I think that a lot of times women look for The provider part of a man and not the whole essence of a man. So it's like, okay. Yeah, he makes six big years Yeah, we we drive around nice cars. Yeah, we could suck for the gram or for facebook But what happens when the cameras are off? How is he treating you as a person? So I'd rather be treated well with 50 000 Even in inflation my god, but that's not my story right now I'd rather be treated well it with a man of integrity than with someone that makes a lot of money and Then it looks it looks good on the outside but on the inside there are things that are bad And I think that again you look back to the performance measures Women also have to be honest with themselves, right? I don't have a problem with the woman saying hey, I want to be a ceo of a company And that's it cool. Why do we have to give her children? Why do we have to give her a husband if her desire is to climb up the corporate ladder? Then so be it then why can't we also give the same respect for a woman who wants to be a ceo But also wants to be a wife and also wants to be a mother. There's nothing wrong with that However, what is your posture when you come back into the home? Because though you're a ceo in the streets when you get back home Are you following the line of order? The show is God, then your husband and you So making sure that he still feels like a man in the household Um, and I think that right now women because they're we feel like sometimes they're such a deficit in men This is why they go out and get degrees This is why they go up and climb the corporate ladder is because the things that they're desiring for men to do for them They are now achieving it for themselves. So now it's like You know how they used to say started from the bottom now we hear people forget where they came from And so now it's like well, I make this amount of money. So I need you to meet me here right right, and I think that's where the problem lies right there because um Yeah, you have some women that they have unrealistic, you know standards and goals I believe and it and it causes a lot of frustration and And that's why some I believe some women are single not because of a shortage of men But because uh, they they have unrealistic, you know, expectations that for them for themselves that they don't They themselves don't even even meet but they want the man like you said to come in to be the uh, the hero Um, as well. So I'm glad you uh, you mentioned that I want to circle back to one point and we're talking about what you're looking for in a man um What about him, um Okay, so You seem to be an expressive person when you go to church We want we've gone to church before together and as as you know families um What what if one of the man that you maybe he's not he's not as expressive in his worship to you He's more like, you know Like that a good question because I always wonder why people do that. I mean like I love god So anything I don't have to be at a church to worship. I could worship in my house I could worship in my car. Um, so I always thought that was a bit odd So I really don't know I probably be like, hey, yo, what's wrong? Like you okay? Like it did hit you Like you okay bro? Like it's okay to cry. Like here's my shoulder. God is good You know, it would it would kind of throw me for a loop a little bit But then again knowing me in the heart that I have I'll be like, hey, so listen I noticed in worship kind of would just like This is there. Do you have a problem with outward expression? Like do you want to talk about it? Or maybe that's just him and then he's like, no, like I really felt it, you know, it was in a Okay, well, then that's just how you express it I'll just be up here talking about I mean because I I just wanted to know me what what if that man Is not really I mean you you all in I mean you you you you you got the ugly cry You snotting and all that kind of stuff sometime Uh, uh, whatever, but you know, that's just not him or or What about this? His knowledge of the word is not as vast. I'm sorry. Did I strike it? Okay, I'm this okay um His his knowledge of the word Is not as vast or as broad or as deep Or as wide as yours, uh, uh, I mean, I'm just saying, you know, or when it's time to pray You know, um Babe, why don't you pray? Why don't you pray? Why don't you pray? Why don't you pray? You know that kind of thing. I miss it. Would that be would that be a flag? Would that be a concern? Would that be something that you like? You know what? Hmm, you get everything else, but but this right here may be is that is that a negotiable? Or a non-negotiable so Y'all know these questions. I don't know them ahead time at all Really have a response at all. So I struggle with that, right? Because first of all, I don't believe in missionary dating at all like especially from a woman's perspective I'm not ready to get you to christ. That's not I'm not ready to um, but I struggle sometimes because I feel like I just had this conversation with my mom. So on netflix. There's a show called, uh, Jewish matchmaker and um So it was orthodox jews that were getting together, right? And you know the orthodox jews they have the the rules with dating like when you go on a date like they're it's a range Touch each other. They're super spiritual, right? So I thought the couple was perfect because he was out in the world He and she was like super orthodoxy, right? And I'm like they work because she needs his His breed and he needs her spiritualness. So he goes to the rabbi and it's like I really like her We have a good time together. He was like, but I don't think I'm at the level that she needs me to be And so the rabbi turned around and was like, well, sometimes women just gonna be a little bit more spiritual than you He said, but that should push you to grow your relationship a little bit better So in that retrospect because he's already trying to do so, right? I think she asked him about a prayer that they're supposed to do and he's like, well I only do it twice versus four times out the day and she was too through. She was like, no But I'm like, at least he's, you know, at least two is better than zero So for me, I just told my mother this, uh, actually, I think it was today we had the conversation. I said in that case again I thought about the scripture about how it says, um Why when your husband's over with the quiet and gentle spirit and how those were women that were with men that did not You know, believe in god, right? I said, so if they're if that was put in the bible for a reason Um, and then some men did turn their hearts over to god What about if we flip that if both of them were saved but one of them wasn't as saved as the other one? Right. Well, I should say not as knowledgeable One was on pilot food and one was on milk, right, right, right Who are we to say? Well, I don't want to be bothered with that 100 percent. What if you know Like I just said with working out if I didn't know the capabilities that I have without my coach pushing me I wouldn't be where I am. She activated muscles that I didn't know that I had But she showed me the tools to get there and now that she showed me how to do that Now I'm performing at a better pace. Now am I about to be a fitness guru? Absolutely not But I will say that I think that sometimes we don't realize that we sometimes may have that missing piece or the tool That can accelerate something and you never know the person who went from not knowing That there was 66 books in the bible can go on to be a minister, you know Because at the end of the day, god chooses us That's right. That's right. We answer the call We just accepted something that he already knew but it may not be at the way that most people think if that makes sense Right, right, right. So okay um And the reason why i'm asking these questions is because you kind of you kind of mentioned another another topic which I go ahead and And and restate it again. What are your thoughts on? Prearranged uh marriages or I don't like to call it parental involved marriage I don't have an issue with it. Like the older I get like I'm like, this is cool because you vetted out the person Um, and you're just like, okay. Hey, I think that you too would be a fit now The ones where y'all get married in like three days. That's a little weird I need to talk to you a little bit because I'm old now these young babies They can do whatever they want to do but I'm old. I need to know about you a little bit um But I think that if if you know something or it's just like when we recommend Podcasts we recommend sermons. We recommend good serums for our skin Will we recommend the girl who can sew in our bundles? It's a recommendation because you think that these people have good enough work for you To say hey, I need you to go ahead and partake in this So I think that with arranged marriages. It's the same thing. Good. Okay. I'm glad that I'm glad you brought that up Because that's what you're gonna be getting over here. So anyway He definitely gets involved in over here for sure okay, um What are your thoughts about accountability? I mean you're 35 The mentality I hear a lot of people say I'm grown. I'm grown. Yeah But that's the problem. We think that we're too grown to be accountable to anyone So what are your thoughts about accountability and who do you have to hold you accountable when you have those moments Where you want to wild out and you want to do what you want to do when you getting tired when you tired of being alone And and all this kind of thing who who do you go to who can you go to you don't have to mention their names But I'm just saying do you have accountability and and how important is accountability for for singles? You know married to but but particularly for singles could be talking about you being a single woman. Um, What what is your what is your you know? Philosophy regarding accountability. How far can people get into your life to hold you accountable? I do have people that hold me accountable. Um, but at one point I did not because when I was out here sending any streets it was It was muddled with shame, right? So you don't want to bring your sin To people because you like oh So you know better but you didn't do better kind of situation and it took one of my friends a couple of years ago to be like, hey I don't I'm never going to judge you. I'm going to hold you accountable And I'm going to be hurtful to you But don't ever feel like you can't come to me and share something Because that is my job and I think for me it was it was when she said that it kind of unlocked In me like okay cool. So now I'm going to go ahead and express it because not just to pretend It's the thought in your head, right? It's like, oh, I want to go out and do this And then you only talk into yourself, but then as soon as I verbalize it out loud I'm like that sounds real dumb on as soon as I tell her myself. It's no longer In me. So now it's just like oh it's out here I said it it's not something that I really want to do So I believe that everybody should have some type of accountability And it's in people that that you entrust dearly not just random people that you just met It's people that are gonna push you towards your goals. Like even we're gonna All of this is going to relate back to weight, right? Because this is my journey right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah That's right. I'll be like First of all, if y'all don't know Okay, so the Lord's chicken I know we're not really friends with him because of the whole situation However, but No one talks about the chick filet cookie The chocolate chip cookie is Divine because it's not only chocolate, but it's also oh, so it's like an oatmeal raisin without the raisins The chocolate chip and it's heated up. My god glory. Um With that being said, don't talk about the milk. Don't talk about the milk though Don't don't don't bring the milk with ice in the night. No, no, so I don't I don't do the milk Um, I just eat my cookie in peace and just piece by piece. Um now I may do the sauce serve every once in a while Oh lord But what I will say is that When I have it I'll text I'll be like girl. I just want a cookie right now And sometimes she'll be like do it. Just go get a cookie. I'll be like, no sis I cannot have a cookie. I have a meal plan that I need to follow However, you know, she'll come back and be like, no, shelly you have goals These are the things that you need to do. So it's good I've learned over the years to start Getting out because in our heads everything sounds good when we rationalize Well, god taken too long. So I'm gonna start moving to my way when you really sit down and talk it out loud You like this sounds real dumb and then you you'll be reminded like the last time you went outside of his will you almost died So bring yourself right back in here. And I when I say die like not like physically die like Die, right? Like because you you've got to be wounded like I get tired of telling people I don't want to be wounded anymore. I don't I don't want to be coming to God to go outside I ain't love and give me hope for me even though he's forgiving it gets old So in making the wiser choices to say, okay Let me get out my own way and let God do what he needs to do. Come on. Come on. All right Let's move on for those who just joining. This is uh, my little sister in the lord Uh, sister michelle magie and we're talking about her. That's what we're talking about. We we we're getting into her life She's allowing us to come into her life and and and the open up the doors of her business And uh, and she's uh an open book right now. She has had she does not have any idea of any of the questions This is these are just real raw in your face. Like ha, you know, there we go that kind of thing So no, she has no children. Yes. She wants to be married Uh, um, and she's looking for she's looking to be chose She's looking to be chose She she's she's not made for the streets So she's she's she's made for the home. She's made and she may be Are you the one that she may be made for? Do you want this type of woman in your life? Are you the chooser? Well, call me at a three two five one three blank blank zero three again that is a three two five one three blank blank Zero three and go through our many layers of qualifications for you the chooser to choose Sister Michelle McGee won't you come? All right, that's that's next commercial. All right, so now here we go. Um, ma'am Today's modern woman particularly today's modern black woman Are y'all winning or are you losing? If so, why if not why not? Oh You know, you know who I have these conversations with your favorite person chris I'm wondering is he watching? You want to go for round two I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. It's your show. It's your time I'm already dark skin versus light skin energy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah But okay, so And this is purely like we said, this is unscripted. These are my views was coming up the top of the dome Let's get it. So I would say yes and no right because I feel like what's perpetuated in social media Or the the the mantle spear red pill All of this that we have is all of these negative connotations, right However, then there's the side of where there's women like me and others that I know that don't exhibit these behaviors of the modern black woman Like chris always talks about how black women don't smile at him And they're always aggressive and he's like but other races are kinder to him And I'm like, that's not true. I'm like one of the most friendliest black women you're ever gonna meet And so but that's just currently his experience and I feel like Him and those voices are louder. So it's making things hard But also I'd like to insert. I don't really care about the modern black woman that isn't Saved because my charge is for women that love god, right? so Because we have a biblical worldview. So now the charge is different the world I invite you to cut the fool and do the things of the world, right? But as a black woman who loves god um We have to have a little bit of a conversation Because some of the way that we view things is rooted in traditionalism From the black church that necessarily wasn't correct the purity culture movement That necessarily wasn't correct these ministries that profit off of single women That give them these cheat codes that don't make any sense because there's no dating in the bible So how are you telling people how to date? That's another story So I think that that is where I kind of focus on more because I'm not going to go Toad of Toad with someone or the world because our views are not going to line Like when I tell people that submission is not a bad word. They look at me like I'm crazy. How dare you? What do you mean? How do you mean that that's just the bible telling you what to do? Yeah, I know because that's what I live for It was my final authority. Absolutely. Yeah I think that There is a harshness that comes off sometimes in the black community that we need to kind of work on um, and I just think that I don't even want to say black community. I just want to say in general I think overall as far as humanity is concerned people just don't know how to treat people um Go longer how to just Be humans in walking kindness and walking love and and and do the things that is required just to live a life daily Does that make sense? Oh, yeah, absolutely makes perfect sense. So let me ask you this question then since we're talking about, you know Relationships talking about, you know, the black woman and all of that and let me let me just go ahead and circle back a little bit more to We are preference and somebody mentioned it in the in the chat and I'm glad because I wanted to make sure I had Asked it in the my questions Are you chocolate only do you like vanilla? Do you like scrawberry? Do you like neapolitan? Are you down? Are you down with the swirl? Uh, it does it depend upon the season? Is it certain, you know colors of the rainbow that you don't prefer and that you just, you know You just chocolate only meet people want to know so that way if there's some if there's some if there's a rainbow coalition In the chat, right? You know, we may have a butter pecan in here. We may have, you know, uh, you know, uh A vanilla we may have we may have white chocolate a little bit of both You know what I'm saying may have a john b up in here. We don't know. You know I'm saying could have, you know So I just want to want to want to see where where my sister's preferences are because that way if they if they do Try to shoot their shot. I mean if they do show their interests, um Then we would know what we are looking for for you And then that way their feelings won't get hurt and uh and and denied upon entry So what what are your preferences as a as a young young woman? So i'm gonna say this, um, my preference is uh dark chocolate races I just want to say So it is dark chocolate. However, my preferences have gotten me nowhere So now I told the lord I surrender my preference to you As far as color is concerned um, however My short kings. I love y'all, but your girl is about five eight five nine when she put heels on I don't want to look directly at you. I want to look above you So you don't want to you don't want no kevin hearts. No kevin hearts. No I don't care what people say when you lay down with the same height. No, it's not the same thing. Um, what if he's tall as prince Prince is short No, even even if he do a good if he do that good that that's I don't even like prince like that. Like I yeah, I know i'm sorry. I don't mean to offend But you probably just lost your I'm sorry. I don't want to do you no more. I'm Preference is different. Oh my goodness. But yeah, I actually I'm open. Um, I always say this all the time Everybody knows I love my chocolate man. And if any of my friends are watching they're probably cackling right now Because I always say I'm gonna marry me a 6.5 chocolate man And we don't have chocolate babies and they always tell me but what if that's not what god wants for you and I tell him I rebuke you But clearly, um, I've learned that at the end of the day as long as you love me You love god and you treat me the way that I'm supposed to be treated If you happen to be purple white black and green it doesn't matter. Well green and I might have to question that one Yeah Because you know when I was younger I I wanted asian babies And yeah, I was like, oh my babies are gonna be cute. They were asian and then I yeah So I went through like a phase with asian people too. That was really I think I just saw like the cheeky eyes and I was like, oh and with my curly hair. We have some fire Wow, you oh you you went all the way through that dinner. Okay. Yeah And then I like chinese food at the time. So I thought because I was Right, I thought that's how chinese people actually ate but that's not how they eat their food. No, that's yeah Totally what they feed us is trash. Yeah, we better we better move on then before we be accused of Didn't anybody not love me anymore. Oh, yeah some comments As a matter of fact on your on your screen, you see like a little up and down arrow You can see whatever I see if you have like up and down. Should I be hitting the share your screen function? um Let me see is that the bottom is it is it two up and down arrows? Yeah, yeah, click that just make sure you click it that is on Okay, it's on. Okay. You're good. Okay. You should be good there. Okay. It's gonna make sure I have it up on the other side. So if you see me look this way it's because I can see on the little Okay. Good. Good. Good. All right. So all right. So let's let's let's go in a little bit more We we we we're still taxiing y'all. Trust me. She We're taxiing. We're taxiing. She she's um She's gonna be getting hit with some haymakers in a minute. Um, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah I got I got a I got a test your faith. I got test your faith. I got yeah good to a faith tech So, um The black church And the reason why I'm saying black ladies and gentlemen, I know I got some white brothers and sisters in here But we're we're dealing with culture. We're talking about our people like paul did with the jews, right? He was an apostle, you know to the gentiles He still had a love for the jews as well. But as christians, yeah, we love the body of christ But we have a I believe as black folk We have a problem in the black church, michelle. I think um And I believe you can probably you know resonate with this. So so what's wrong with your people? What what's wrong with your people? I mean what what is going on? With the black church and why and how come it is so hard for us to find a good one Well, um, I Do we have time? Oh, yeah, we got time go ahead. I ain't gonna work them off I don't got my early gym session. Yeah me. Yeah, we good. We got all time. I don't know like I I struggle so I grew up in the word of faith pentecostal Like most black people um, and it wasn't until I attended bible college And ironically even though my bible college would be considered word of faith so to speak The scriptures illuminated to me in a way that I remember coming home telling my mom like Why didn't you teach me this? like What is this uh, I remember like certain passages of scripture that I read as an adult And it was like wow. This was never taught to us this way. Um, and I don't know why The lens of scripture Is not taken seriously in the black church. I don't know why we want to live in the old testament all the time I don't know why we keep telling women that they want to bow as he died. He died. They had sex He died and the purpose of that was for a lineage. I don't want someone that Is gonna die like stop. It's a kinsman redeemer. Stop it. It's not a it's not a passage of scripture I just found out that people are doing ester fast For husbands. Are you serious? They were fasting for the nation I don't understand why this is something that people are doing. Um, so for me I don't know why they don't become lovers of the word. I don't know where I don't know where they fell short, right And I also go back to even um, like we talked about this too like even in early church history Man continuously falls short. They're they're continuously Up here like when we esteem augustine and in Luther and all of them they all had these issues and problems You know, one was a racist one was sleeping with prostitutes, right? Right, you know Did they have these great body of work and we esteem them so highly But not realizing that their moral character Was low. He corrupt at the same time And we see that trickle down into churches I don't know why there's a whole group of us that adhere to scripture properly And want to then go out and make disciples so to speak by teaching them the word of god Um, I love when I talk to women to teach them how to exegete text and not Isagenet text you not gonna go in the back of the concordians and look up poverty and read eight scriptures and say Oh, that's what that is. Meanwhile, that was a whole scripture talking about something that had to deal with this particular time and place um, so for me It's done a disservice. I think um It's sad because you have a lot of people that don't know who god is They think that god is a gene that he's magic and that whatever you pray and ask for you're gonna get And they miss that part that says according to his will right and It's just it's a conglomerate of issues. I don't think all black churches are like this I do know that there probably are some sound ones But those are the ones that are probably not on social media And we will never know their name And the the only thing that we can do is is hope that we encounter some of their their members along this journey But I don't know why the black church Has a disdain for reading the bible correctly and teaching people about god rather than esteeming the ministers on the pulpit We you and I we well mainly my family you kind of like made some cameo appearances to the church we were going to um And we ended up having to leave because this particular church predominantly black church Impact church of the will is is the name of it. I have a problem mentioning the guilty They basically their doctrine was good Doctrically it was it was sound Doctrically it was sound but when it came to applying the things that we were told And which were shared and taught It wasn't it wasn't you know being carried out. So you had the You had fraternities and sororities being you know Shouted out and praised and given you know platforms and and acknowledged and being put You know in the church announcements and then you had when we when we decided to leave after that Then you have an lgbt q plus affirming, you know reformed you who marries side of my couples and That church Went to impact church and taught bible study So it's like where can we go and i'm talking about it's and it's not like we're looking at Uh or expecting the church to to feel every desire That that we are you know longing for but what we are what we are expecting is for the church to be holy We're expecting for the church not to be worldly we're expecting for the church to be to be able to rightly divide the word of god And when we worship to be to feel free to worship god and spin it in truth now I understand we talk about worship styles and all of that, but I think you mean there's I know it's a cultural thing but I think also um, we have we have an issue when people try to make Their preference of how worship should be and mainly most of the time it's from our white brothers and sisters You know because we talk about reform theology Black people ain't really ain't really you know the first, you know figureheads that come to mind It's just not uh, although Reform theology, you know kind of like came from north africa. But anyway, um, you still you still have that issue, right? So Why is it why is it michelle that we as a as a People like you and I know you mentioned it, but it just seems to be from a pastoral standpoint Compromise in the in the churches today And it's hard to find a a sound biblical black church It just really is and I don't know if that's your your concern I know it's mine It may be a few others as well too And if we find one there's always some foolishness going on that you just can't just ignore and let go Yeah, it's something it's it's mine as well Especially because there are some people That are so close But then they miss the mark and not like in a false sense like michael tide like he misses. That's low hanging fruit. Yeah I know, but sometimes I'd be like look. I'd be just like this. I'm like, oh man. He fell bro. Yeah. Yeah You were doing good. Your application was great. But then when you got to them scriptures, that's when I was like Yeah But I don't know it's it's something that I constantly wrestle with I have conversations with a really good friend about this too. It's like the body Is the body right? So What do we like we talked about negotiables and non negotiables earlier? In dating what is our negotiables and non negotiables been looking for a church, right? Come on. Come on. Come on. We give a level of grace to allow for the church to come in because one thing about you and I We're we're I'm gonna be real word of faith right now. We're atmosphere room shakers, right? We have the ability to go somewhere and stir up truth Yeah, and then make a change I know sometimes that task seems daunting and it's not something that you always want to do because I always tell people An empty cup cannot pour something you need to be poured into as well So I think for me it's wrestling with what I'm willing to deal with versus what I'm not willing to deal with I'm not being so harsh because even going back to marriage in the scriptures The the command is so husbands to love your wife as christ love the church. We some hot ghetto messes Okay, we we treat god like a side piece every once in a while We constantly disobedient So if he tells husbands to do that to physical flesh that is someone that he made a covenant with right Where is our same stance as well when it comes to going to the church? Yeah, that's good. That's good Those who are just joining uh my sister, uh, michelle mighe is with me tonight. We're just discussing Man a host of topics that she has no clue. I mean she is walking She is really walking and trusting her brother by faith and not by sight She really is and she is at the mercy of her older brother right here. Yes. She is yes She is so so what we're having a good time And so right now I want to bring her to one more question Um, and this is this is right up both of our alley And we talked about this a few weeks ago But I I feel it was a good question for us to talk about and unpack it and share it before the audience today Why is it or why does our personality seems to offend a lot of people? What what what is up with our personality? I mean, why why do we seem to be offensive to to people When we when we communicate the truth. I'm assuming you've had that problem before Uh, you know that you're being mean or you're you're very uh, what's the word that I'm being you harsh That's it harsh very terse Uh, you know, you lack grace. You don't have love I'm not sure those are some of the descriptive terms have been been a lot, you know lobbed against you I know it's been been against me But I know we've had this conversation before that our personality seems to click And we don't have a problem with how we Talk about the truth talk about the word. We don't we don't our consciousness has not been You know pricking us and saying hey you and sin for saying it like that you and sin for saying it like that So why do you believe or why is it that it seems to be a lot not all but most if not You know quite a bit seem to have a problem with people like yourself and and and I That's the million dollar question actually So uh side note. I believe in jesus and therapy So I'll actually just talk to my therapist about this uh on monday And uh, she's funny. She's a christian therapist and she was like, you know michelle You just interrupt the demons and people's lives Um And they don't she's like she said she said that first and then she said your light and what is the light's Charge to expose darkness And so you don't make people feel comfortable when they're in your presence. I said, well my god Yeah, I didn't know I just thought it was me But no, I think that in terms of and you know, so I'll go into deeper context I remember it's so funny. Um, I was in a young adults ministry like 17 years ago And I was pretty quiet. Um in that ministry. I would just help out and volunteer And I remember one time they had asked they would ask me to do things But the time financially I didn't have the money so I would always be like, oh no I'll catch up with you guys another time since one particular time they asked me and I was honest I said, well, really I don't have any money. I like no, we'll take care of it. So it's like, okay cool So as we're walking the young lady was like, hey, Michelle, we love having you here We love that you're always helping us and volunteering and this is before I I'm the Michelle that I am today Um, and so she was like, but you know, I really want to share something with you that god placed on my heart So I was like, okay cool. Listen. I'm like, all right. Well, what did god say? Because you know, I mean thank church. So god speaking to you. Okay, because My prayers we're still waiting on for a 594. Um, so what's going on lord? So she's like, yeah, she's like, so I just wanted to tell you that basically god was telling me that You know, you come in here you help out But you know when you enter a room your presence is really intimidating And you need to tone that down so that people can receive you. So I was like, oh Okay, so went to dinner enjoyed myself came home And was talking to my mother and as we described to her she is a four foot eleven new yorker So I'm like, mom, let me tell you what happened today and she's sitting there. She's like, michelle I'm like, what she was like repeated again. So this went off for like 10 minutes. I had to keep repeating the story she was like You're missing the fact that she said your presence is intimidating. She said, did she say when you open your mouth? I said, no, she did. She said your presence alone is intimidating And she said that's because you walk with the lord and I think that you know oftentimes because you know You would classify yourself as reformed. I just say I'm a bit of a sister. I love Jesus. Okay You know people we we do have to realize we do not wrestle against flesh and blood But uh, we wrestle against darkness and the principalities and in the rumors of those heirs We are called to be sought in light of this earth. We are going to irritate things Um, and I tell you all the time even for me for ministry my friends that know me and now all y'all that are my friends on the live When I'm ministering to someone that's an unbeliever It's a whole my my voice inflection is different. God uses me to be able to speak to that specific person But I noticed that when I'm talking to those that profess to be believers or those that are current believers There's a different type of charge that comes in and I believe that's also a rebuke in love Can I get it wrong sometimes? Absolutely. Do I appreciate those that call me out and tell me that I may be maneuvering in the wrong way? Yes, because I'm still learning this thing myself and I don't I haven't arrived anywhere. We're all We're listening the sanctification process ends at death. We're not there. That's right Oh, let's continue to maneuver in those ways But I think that a lot of people especially nowadays it just it goes back to where we are in the times People don't like truth. They want things to tickle their ears because you don't paraphrase the Bible just a little bit. Um, yeah Because it makes them feel good because a lot of people again don't want to look Inwarded within themselves. I I said this before um a couple of weeks back When you go on a healing journey, right? And you begin to look at yourself and you begin to Clean out the things that are negative and especially when you love God You like, okay, God created me a clean heart. Come on Fred. Play that in the background Um, and a renewed right spirit. Come on. I want to be a tree planted by the water I want all of the fruit of the spirit to be evident in my life And then you start to actually think on things that are lovely pure and above and you start living that out Your lens begins to change because now you're viewing people that are not taking those same steps So now you're looking at them like, oh, okay. This is different You're not operating and you can't think the same way. I think not that I'm in a better Place than you but it's because now I've taken the time to work on me And it's the same thing when we fell in love with the scriptures And we fell in love with Jesus because we knew exactly how wretched and dirty and how deserving of death We were and so when it comes to truth We not get ready to sugarcoat it or make it palatable for you to understand when really you deserve death Because you know the god of the old testament was like, oh, so I told you not to turn around So I'm gonna turn you to a pill of salt because you ain't listening Period period To me it's silly. So and then I always tell people all the time You know a lot of times when people people approach the Bible with a bias, right? Depending upon what what framework you come from and all that But a lot of times people think that Jesus Was talking to people really kind like when I think about the scripture when he calls his mother a woman Like I'm pretty sure he was like Right like ma'am I don't know why we well we we packaged them with blonde hair and blue eyes Oh lord. Yeah. Yeah I don't know why we have this misconception. I always say Jesus was sinless. However The gospel was offensive. Okay, just in nature So when you have personalities like ours that are naturally offensive not because our hearts are malicious Or in the wrong place and then we're delivering an also offensive gospel That's a Molotov cocktail for people to handle and a lot of people You better talk about it. And don't you do you find it? I don't know if you find it this way, but these people that meet us They know the type of personality that we have They they they know I mean xeris xeris always talks about this when he when he comes on the live in a chest You like man These people tripping about your personality like bruh You've been the same person that I met when we was in newark since 2007 Now like you said The I hope I've grown. I hope I've changed and matured and gone from glory to glory but the personality and the and the and the Attitude that god has given to me. It's me. This is who I am But these are some of the same people that know this is who you are And claim that they have no problem with you until Until They have to be checked or until you come to them and you're not coming to them sinfully or anything like that Um, but they knew this is who you were so You you find yourself Wonder like wait a minute now Why are people trying to change who I am because I don't I don't know if it's like you says I don't go around Trying to change people Unless unless what they're doing it violates god's word But if it's if it's a if it's a personality thing, I got two choices I have two choices either i'm going to accept them or i'm not But I but for me to try to change a person or for you to try to change the person and make them into your image Now you you become their god And and now you're changing them into your image instead of them being changed and conforming to the image of the beloved son Jesus christ and so I find that to be the problem with a lot of people A lot of people We don't go around trying to make people, you know be acceptable for us We accept people for who they are as long as they're not sinning But it seems to be that our attitude our personalities, you know, you're from new york. I'm from Detroit. So we're loud Yep, but we also know how to adjust like you mentioned I don't talk to unbelievers the way I would talk to a believer and and also I strive to apply First Thessalonians 5 14 and modestly unruly encourage the faint heart to help the weak be patient with everyone So you you have to know the different types of people that you're dealing with I am not or at least I don't try to encourage The unruly no you check the unruly Correct But you don't but you don't beat down the weak and the faint heart it you're supposed to encourage and help the faint heart it You know i'm saying so It seems to be it seems to me that people want to act as though I just have one way One plateau of dealing with individuals and I know in my heart of hearts I don't but I don't know if that was your that was your attitude or or the attitude of people try to you know present Uh to you or act act as though that you you don't have you just have a one way of dealing with people You always just attack people always and that's nothing you always attack people you always attack people You always attack people i'm saying wait a minute. Weren't you just on my live? Weren't you won't you just in my bible study? Didn't you just send me a text message how you were needing Council and and how you were encouraged by what I so i'm always like this It seemed to me that people kind of fickle. I don't know about you. What would say you Every like while you were talking. Um, I don't know if you're familiar with John McRendals, but he has a song called people Yeah, that's what was resonated in me every time you were talking because it is true And this is what I've learned and as I'm still learning right before we're so quick to jump into these Relationships with people and I'm talking about friendship relationships, right? But when you take the time to get to know people they'll begin to expose themselves and be getting and I I shared this with you before A one cardinal rule that I've learned in my little 35 years of living is that when someone meets me And they get to know me for like a good month or so and they go, you know, girl When I first met you I really didn't like you check. That's a red flag Because I know for me somewhere down the line. You really still don't like me I don't know what you overcame these past month and a half because a year from now six months from now You're gonna end up Dang it's gonna replay itself again. So I'm always wary of those because of my experience and what I have experienced when I first met you I didn't like you Okay, you probably still don't So now I know how to maneuver when I'm dealing with you and I I've just come to the resolution that If I'm not harming you and there's no malice in my heart and I'm going to sleep at night And the holy spirit is not convicted me. I don't owe you absolutely anything And if anything that I'm doing is bothering you just like you like how you told everybody like Share and subscribe. You can unlike unfollow block. Delete. I don't require you to be in my life If I am if I am Overstepping a boundary that you set up if I'm triggering something in you. Those are all you problems. They're not me problems And my name is michelle. So I'm very confident with the me part like I don't People yeah people will be people in child and I don't got time for it How'd they give it to you had to give it to you had to give it to you listen, okay Well, you've got another point that I that I have in my on my list of questions and that is friendships Friendships friendships friendships I'm going to read this scripture and uh, you tell me if you see it ma'am Um, I'm looking at proverbs chapter chapter 20 verse 6. Do you see it on your screen ma'am? Yes Can you read it please read? Okay, many a man now many a man many a man it says right there many a man go ahead read I got my glasses on You ready? Read read. You know, man I said now now not just not just hold on now. Hold on now not just one man, but it says many a man That means it's more than one go ahead. Uh-huh Proclaims Uh-huh, but But but but that means see that means right there that means it's it's a shift. It's a change There's a there's a contrast. That's a that means a conjunction. Yeah y'all saw on on uh, schoolhouse rock conjunction junction What's your function? What's your function today? But go ahead read Who can find a trustworthy man? Uh-huh righteous man. Uh-huh who walks in his integrity Uh-huh How blessed how blessed not not not how cursed uh-huh How how blessed is is are his sons after him? He but the but verse six has said many a man, uh-huh proclaims his own loyalty So so so so it means you may think you a friend But are you really a friend to the one who? Says you a friend. I know I'm talking to somebody right here on this live today, but that's okay verse seven says A righteous man not an ungodly man, but a righteous man Who walks in his I wish I had somebody that has integrity because the tech say The righteous man walks in his integrity Too many of you think you got integrity, but you don't have it Too many of you claim to be friends, but but you ain't no friend So so miss michelle. Let me ask you a question, ma'am Are you loyal in your friendship? How do you how do you? define loyalty and and how do you Value where is friendship or or what is your philosophy? Of friendships. I'm going somewhere with this question. We getting ready to go somewhere now. Now we about to take off Now we're about to take off put the tray tables up Because we about to get up in the atmosphere Go right ahead sister We didn't have the profit of 50 cent in the background because all I heard was many men. Come on Many Stop it That is what a lot of people say about me, um, they say that that loyalty it literally runs through my veins I don't know anything outside of it. Um For me when I am a friend, I am truly a friend. Um, I take you for who you are Um, I love on you for who you are and I want the fence for you at all times Um, because I just think that that is just incumbents of what scripture tells us to do as well But it also is just I look at the person for the whole human being and what does that person need Um, I think that friendship is important. Um, you know, even we take the scripture You know, it's not good for man to be alone Yes, but also if you go into the new testament everything is about don't forsake the fellowship of being believers There there's something about us being in community. Yeah that um helps us grow So for me loyalty is a big thing There's no reason why we can't communicate anything to anyone Um about the needs that need to be met. Um, because we need each other You you can't do this life alone. It wasn't intended for us to do Get along. Um, and we need one another. That's good. That's good I wanted to read another scripture as well. Uh, you was we were talking about personalities things of that nature Um, but a lot of people don't don't remember or either realize this verse is in the bible And this is in prior verse. I mean, I mean, it's giving romans chapter 15 verse 7 It says therefore accept one another Just as christ also accepted us to the glory of god now This is chapter 15 of romans. What comes before chapter 15? Chapter 14 Right and shot the 14 of romans verse one Because the text in the context is dealing with preference issues personal preferences issues of convictions personal convictions, right? I'm not making it up. It's in the text now accept the one who is weak in faith But not for the purpose of passing judgment on his or her's opinions verse five You go further down in this chapter He says one person regards one day above another another regards every day alike notice verse five to be clause Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind Verse 10 are for the judgment of people the people want to change you he says But you why do you judge your brother or you again? Why do you regard your brother with can tell for we all will all stand before the judgment seat of god Many people want to change you you and I are Don't want to accept who we are but the criteria god says we're to accept each other the same way That god through christ Accepted us and and we were not acceptable people I mean we we were we were doomed for hell But god in his mercy sent christ To die for us so that we can become Acceptable to god only through the blood of christ and so I believe I believe says How we treat people and how we respond to people Based on our personal preferences and we make them precepts that is a gospel issue That is a gospel issue Um, I tell people this as well I don't really care about you talking about the event of the gospel The event of the gospel already happened over 2000 years ago My concern is how are you applying the effects of the gospel? How has the gospel changed your life? How has the gospel changed how you see your fellow image bearer your your fellow brothers and sisters in christ? Do you see them in in one body but many distinctive Members cooperating with each other to achieve the main purpose and goal and that is to glorify christ to lift up the name of our god to walk in the spirit So it won't be fulfilled with the lust and desires of the flesh if it's not that then it is a gospel issue And we don't look at it like that But it is a gospel issue because it affects how we live and it affects how we treat each other But you know what's interesting even with that being said is that even though people are offended by us We accept all people come on We take them just as they are Um, and we are left with the betrayal the rejection the abandonment and the hurt Behind it because all we did was do what scripture commands us to do my my my um Okay now you just brought this up ma'am. So the following clips Uh, I would like to get your reaction. Uh, these clips will be in successive order Um moderators, can you go ahead and uh have your finger on the trigger to put my wife in time out In case she gets in her flesh, um Because these these following clips may take her there and I want my wife to stay saved Because there's power in the blood just saying, uh, but you know, and I'm just joking up. Please don't time out my wife. Please But but she she she may have to time herself out Look, but anyway, so let me see if we're talking about friendships. Okay. We're talking about friendships Friendships All right friendships Uh, I'm gonna play this first clip. This is gonna be a teaser. I'm playing this first clip and uh, let me get your response to it Here we go I'm gonna take you in there There she is there it is Crazy Where you going? Oh, sorry Yeah, I don't excuse my jacket You're good. You're good. So ma'am, uh, do you record that clip? Yeah, do you record do you recognize that individual that was that was charging That was charging. Who was that individual for the can you can you can you state the individual's name for the record, please ma'am? Her name is april And her last name, ma'am Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Do you recall do you recall the event that had occurred to have this uh, this young lady To uh, to run toward me like dino on the flintstones Now that I don't know Okay, it was a 2021 we were invited to I was invited to speak at the christ I'm sorry. I'm sorry And you try videos every other day Ma'am, can I can I do my interview? I mean who's interrogating who here? I mean, where am I like that? Is this is this law and order? What's going on here? Like what in the law and order is going on here, okay? Oh, but no, okay. So so this was a this was 2021 We were we were invited uh at the christ christ the crats conference And actually was invited by her and brother quam was the host and so I came Through through the friendship of april chappanus. So that was the first time we saw each other ever ever ever in 10 years Okay I think 10 years close to 10 years, but anyway And so she was happy to see me happy to see her happy to see the the wife And as you saw they hugged each other like like sisters, right? Good time. Good. Good. Good. Good time. Um I'm going to play the following clips now. These clips Are going to be in successive order. These clips are uh sister april's uh commentary Uh regarding the four black guys. I don't know if you remember seeing that video interview that was in 2020 I was invited on the panel With four black guys talking about trump. Why am I a black republican? You know and and that kind of thing I'm not sure if you remember seeing that but she gave her her, you know post Uh show commentary regarding that and so I want to play these clips in this accession and then get your thoughts About her comments to me About me and then we'll we'll pick it up on the other side. So here we go Run it one through eight But the whole scripture That saco red talked about the fornicator. They idolater. They idolatered the effeminates the homosexual the adulterer I mean it went down a litany of sins That the bible is clear that those who practice these these people this pattern of life This is who you are at your core You do not inherit the kingdom of that they gave No dispute they were like, yeah, we agree But for some reason They struggled and said That what saco was saying Was actually hateful and i'm like wait a minute He just read the text of scripture. Oh something saco said I was like bruh he said Uh, the bible doesn't command me to be a democrat or a republican But it does command that I be holy a lot of times when these public debate debates happen You know, we we trolling the comments, right? Why I'm grown, right? I could do what I want And so I get it if they're like, you know, I didn't really like some of the stuff your people was saying, okay You know the the feminine part of me. It's like, you know what? You're right Maybe we should have been nicer But the main like the part that I know like this is a convert This was a conversation between grown men Like you really all up in your feelings because somebody said what thus sayeth the lord But you didn't check the profanity that was going on in your comments Where were somebody who claims the name of christ was cussing out another believer and told them the f themselves Are you crazy? What is wrong with you now listen? like I was saying believers We are all gonna have to give an account for every word whether it's the words we type Or the words we speak they want to use all these fancy words and iso jesus and the purpose quity and Periscope Like talk to us in english Just stop it. And I'm so glad sega was like listen I know what exo jesus means and iso jesus means but can you explain that to your audience because they may not know And the whole point of him bringing that up He was doing the very thing that he was accusing seiko of doing. I'm like, dude That's you like you just ripping scriptures out of context and doing biblical gymnastics and Seiko you were gracious you were gracious you were gracious And i'ma say this publicly the older you get the more restrained Biblically accurate But personally I have watched you grow over the years From the facebook bully because you used to bully me, but it's all right. I still love you But I have watched the lord use you and grow you to where your patience That's sanctification and work that's sanctification and work that's sanctification and work Because the seiko I saw on that live yesterday that ain't like eight years ago seiko. This is i'm 50 now seiko like I love I love the 50 year old seiko. I love the 50 year old seiko. I love the 50 year old seiko The lord is strengthening him and using him and purifying him and stripping away those things that We all are on this sanctification journey, but I am publicly saying you was gracious You was gracious you was gracious you won like some week old mammy, but you weren't mean But you weren't mean but you weren't mean You know you weren't name calling, you know, you weren't name calling, you know You weren't name calling like you just laid it out You just stood flat footed like a man and his bible and just let it rip and they could not handle that I can't believe that someone actually had the nerve to say until you not to post Any more public commentary until after he speaks to you Like that's that whole I ain't gonna get into what that is. Love you bro. I've watched you grow I'm watching the lord sanctify you and you exhibited a level of patience on that live That um it was commendable like god was pleased with that god was glorified in fact that you you kept it 100 You weren't acting like a trump apollosis You were just saying apologies. You were just saying listen what we cannot do is misrepresent someone else's words When we have legitimate proof that what you're saying he said is not what was actually said, um, love friends We stand up for friends Yeah, like I said So I don't know. I love him. So I don't know. I love him. So I don't know. I love him And I'll be I'm so late half the time when he goes live. I don't find out till after the fact So I actually watched that whole discussion yesterday and I was just trying to understand where the problem was I was like, I don't I don't I don't see the issue that no one was being hateful Uh Ma'am, uh, you care to comment you have the floor Keep it real. Keep it real ma. Keep it real How did you bully her? You didn't see the tech nine in her back No, you didn't you when we play the kids again, you probably you didn't see like the little black Piece of iron that was like you didn't see you didn't see me like the taliban like, you know, uh Uh, you know pushing her, you know in the camera having to read the script You didn't you didn't see any of that No, I missed it. I must I don't have the right glasses on I probably need the stronger ones Oh, okay. What what tell them what you did see then and what you did here I saw someone that truly had a relationship with someone it was affirming them and what Um, they believed that's what friends would do. Uh, you you got on a platform You spoke you presented yourself well and this person was affirming you saying hey, good job. I'm proud of you For me though listening Um, there are certain things that I would have picked up on Um, that things that make you go. Hmm that you put on the back shelf um But that sounded like Somewhat sincere like hey, this is my friend and I'm proud of you and what you've done Okay, that was a nice way of saying not can I have the real michelle saying what you need to say? That was so distilled. That was so pc ladies and gentlemen. I brought this woman on My life for her to keep she got the new york fitting on that should do something to her to her personality when you put the new york fitting on I got the Detroit fitter. So we we go we go we put we keep it real. So that that was take one now take two dog on it That was 2021 this happened or 2020? 2020 2020 so from 2020 to 2023 Are you less gracious? Are you still bullying people? Um, did your sanctification process go backwards because you didn't get a certificate for it going forward? um Oh 2021 Sharon said 2021 2021 So what happened in these past two years? What's happened to you because you were like the perfect man of god in 2021 according to april Uh, don't know maybe you can ask her because yeah I don't I don't know I can't I can't really speak to that because again For me to speak to her it would trigger her fear And and what do I mean by that? Well, well these next three clips in succession will explain Her fear here we go. Well, what's it what people don't understand is i'm i'm uniquely connected to this situation because um I'm just uniquely connected to the situation because i'm i've been friends with takeoff for a very long time Yeah, and I I can be honest and admit that there's there's always been a level of intimidation and fear that there's there's always been a level of intimidation and fear that there's There's always been a level of intimidation and fear And it's it's been like an unhealthy or an ungodly fear that Um, I haven't really admitted out loud until recently and so for me I had to deal with my own sin everything that was presented in the in the video I I could definitely agree and cosign and see exactly what mike was saying because i'm like well I've I've felt this way for a very long time, but Sometimes when you feel is if you speak out You're gonna be the next the subject of the next call-out video Like you're gonna be the one that's going to be bullied and exposed and embarrassed That is a very crippling feeling that no one really wants to subject themselves to especially if you're like You know, I really don't want to be involved in a drama um And so that that was hard for me to admit like it probably didn't have to come to this If some of us had been more forthright and just honest and said listen I don't care if you block me or unfriend me But you need to hear this because this is what I see And if you don't stop you don't want the lord because the lord will chase in those he loves right? He will do that and that's god's grace working in our lives when that happens But I think I'll I'll just say this we all just need to be mindful and careful of fear of man We all like I'm a brave person like I stood in front of ebony's abactus church And confronted a us senator with the gospel and I wasn't afraid but when it came To this situation after watching this I can admit I was wholeheartedly crippled by fear And that I had to repent for because One that's not healthy and I and and god is probably sitting back like whatever Man can say about you and I think the reason why I was crying so much Because I just need I needed to get that cry out because it's been bottled up for so long I just I I just needed to be free I feel like that freedom has come in that breakthrough I finally got that breakthrough It was very very painful because I had to see myself In that video. I know the video that mic was talking about where he was like I was he was going in in the comments I was in that live stream in the chat Acting a fool. I even did a response video to that um And I got a I can't remember I probably need to go back and watch my own content to see How I handled those for a gentleman. I mean granted. They were wrong is two left shoes They were wrong their worldview was wrong Nothing what they were saying could be supported by scripture And and I get that right Um, as christians who we're the arbiters of the truth and we know we have the truth based upon the authority of scripture That's all we need. That's it. We don't have to go on top of that and purposely be a jerk All right, michelle, um a lot has changed from that time to to to now with her so Again, I was just a surprise and shock when I first heard this this uh fear and her being crippled with fear And she only met me one time Um, yeah, I didn't make any threats to her or her family or her husband or nothing like that. So Just wanted to know your thoughts about what you heard and and maybe there's some analysis that I I am not aware of Okay, so wait, hold on Let me understand this. So is this a reaction to The infamous echoes and sound bites video Okay, so again, like I said earlier, um, I told you I've learned in this journey of my life that when people make a statement You have to listen to it. Um, so She's known you for 10 years and I'm pretty sure within the 10 years She has said something in regards to your personality on the defensive side of it, um so for me First of all that display of tom foolery of being scared and you confront to the senator big walk You you bullies are on the internet every other day making videos about Unbelievers and then believers in the church and calling them out for the things that she do I remember she made that video. Uh, who was it? Uh, I don't think it was sierra. It was somebody She made a whole video on and was emphatically Out here tearing them down left and right with not a fear in her heart So for me they killed me with this When they they want to say that you're gonna make a video about them or do all these things You're a bully if you cannot Be about it. I'm a woman if I'm gonna say it if I can dish it I can take it Period if you know that you are called to call out false teachers and give the gospel and do all of that You know that there's going to be something that's going to come towards you in the process like you can't throw a rock in haji hand I'm very confused by this and then to use Oh, I was so scared like to me that was just a put on nothing about that St authentic and it doesn't line up to how you felt before because at the end of the day She kept saying it wasn't until I realized or I was afraid to do so or you were a bully 10 years ago All of those feelings were still there. It just took something to happen to bring them all out Like really if you think about it, um If you really sit down we we put ourselves in positions because For one or two reasons either we're getting something out of it or we want something out of it, right? So i'm aligning myself up with somebody Even though i'm fearful of them or even I don't particularly care for their content I don't really particularly care for their style, but i'm still aligning myself up with them What were your motives because if I don't like your style, I don't like the way you talk to people I don't like the way you look out your face because I say that to people all the time I don't like the way you look up their face I'm not going to be bothered with you because I don't want to put myself in a position Where I then later on down the line have to make a statement now If you come into my life and everything is all gravy and we connect and we bond and then Something happens and you flip the script now I can be like well, wait a minute. I didn't know where this came from I was now bamboozled But if I come into a situation knowing there are things about you that I don't like Why am I continuously putting myself in that situation? What did you truly want out of this relationship? What was the gain from it because to me it doesn't make any sense and then again you want to sit here and cry And be emotionally upset But your whole platform and your whole ministry is about Exposing things how you going to expose stuff and be scared that don't make no sense Then you ain't in the ministry of exposing you in the ministry of hiding your hand Wow, well again, so that's what you saw Would you consider Would you consider that a a form of betrayal or this betrayal straight up and down? I think it's betrayal straight up and down. Um, I for me um in knowing the things that I know I Yeah, I you know, I can't attest to why people do the things that they do. Um I don't understand. Like I said, I've been on the receiving end of what you and miss Sharon have I've had people come into my life love on them like brothers and sisters and literally do some heinous things Right and walk away And they probably have talked about me and just never got back to me. Um, but for me Hindsight 2020 was she always showed y'all who she how she really felt um And I think that that was overlooked because in your mind and even in mine sometimes when people look at us as bullies Or people that are aggressive, you know, sometimes we will Form our character to make it a safe space for them to say, hey, I know you may feel like this But this is not what that is and now going forward I no longer do that if you didn't like me upon entry then leave like I'm not going to make this a safe space for you Because it already is a safe space. You just don't know it So whatever your body is telling you or your mind is perceiving about me Continue to have that that preconceived notion until the lord shows you something else If you're truly seeking to have a valid relationship with you Right and I think that's what the problem. Um, I think that's what the problem had lied I was going to ask you that question. So how do you respond when when you are betrayed or when you see Good friends or good brothers and sisters in the lord Be the uh or the object or the recipient of betrayal How do you how do you deal with betrayal in your life when it happens to you when it's against you? And then how do you respond to people that you know? Their lies and betrayal have affected people that you know for a fact that they're not With these accusations and these things, you know have been have been said about them How do you respond to that? I'm gonna go to the latter first. So like even with you I know that a lot of people will private message me like why are you friends with him and I politely Be like because I am like I don't have an issue or a problem. Um, this is my friend This is my family. The girls are like my nieces. Um, so for me, I I have a sense of loyalty So if I love you and I care about you Um, and someone else doesn't like you then really I have to reevaluate if they're a person because there's two ways, right? You and I can know the same people and someone can have a negative experience with you However, they're still not being disrespectful about you because there's a respect that you and I have a relationship but if someone Is negative about you and wants to bring you up constantly and my my loyalty is to you all So if you can't respect that I'm still dealing with these people or this person Then I have to question why I'm still dealing with you. That's the way I handle betrayal in situations Because I am loyal to the fault. That's my personality. Um, I'm gonna always ride for what's right Um, and then the betrayal that I've experienced in my own life um honestly Just like some of these raggedy men, they all have to come back and apologize. Wow And it may take a year. It may take six months But I and you know, sometimes I I used to wrestle with it too. I used to be like, uh, put me in the wrong I want to know what it's like You know Because why all these people got to come back and apologize because I didn't do nothing wrong to these people. Um But it it does make relationships harder. Um, and it does make you second guess moving forward with people when you experience levels of betrayal that Cut deep because you know when a snake come in, baby, it's slithers. Okay. It's belly is maneuvering. It's hitting cracks and It's hard when you're like, I didn't see this coming like This was a whole you did a whole 180 on me and I didn't even know that this was happening Right kind of situation. So it it does it takes a lot out of you and it it makes you be more discerning And the relationships that you come across because you don't want to put your heart through that anymore I say this even going back to relations. I tell I tell that all the time. Listen I don't got time for my heart to be broke again. So if you're not gonna be an asset, baby I don't got time for liability Just hard precious for that and that goes for platonic relationships As well because of the the betrayals and the things that I've experienced, you know People walking out of your life and not even telling you why and then you got to go social media with subliminal subs Uh, the spirit told me to do something Not a spirit didn't tell you to do that because if your brother or sister offends you go to them If I did something to you, let me know But I mean because I can't fix it because if I truly cared about you I'm gonna care about your feelings and there's a care and concern there Well sister, I didn't like the way you did that or when we did x y and z let me know so I can either be better for you That's it. I don't even need to explain myself. I need to apologize I need to take into consideration how you're feeling and then what are the steps to move forward to make this better That's it. That's it. So let me let me do this real quick sis Let me respond to marquis and and uh, I'm gonna read this question or read his statement And then I'm going to offer a challenge to him Because that's what I do here on the bcv channel if you can post it then you should be able to pull up Marquis, you said she that is april Was absolutely wrong for not communicating this with you Before bringing it to the internet in the same way you were for trying to expose cori before the internet before calling him brother to brother first Um marquis, let me ask you a question first and foremost. Do you know what you're talking about? That's the first question. That's the first question But let me answer that for you. I know you don't know what you're talking about because if you did You wouldn't even ask that question or even make that assertional accusation secondly Cory made public statements regarding john McArthur. Therefore. I'm under no obligation To contact him for stuff that he has said or done publicly. Where do you find in scripture that being a criteria? I'll wait That's the second thing Thirdly when I did respond to cori miners video of him caping and covering for john McArthur Who defends child molesters? rapists wife beaters And pedophiles. That's who john McArthur He is the one who protects those kinds of men and also Finances these men's or this man of david great particular prison ministry after being convicted And was exposed of doing so later in the later on during it during his prison prison stay a prison term So this is who cori miner has publicly and emphatically protected And has approved of and said at one minute marquis that john McArthur Is disqualified that was in 2022 that was the 2022 cori cori cori minor the 2023 cori minor now Marquis says that john McArthur is not disqualified. So here's the difference between the 2022 Cori minor and the 2023 cori minor marquis The 2022 cori minor had book chapter verse To support to back up to buttress to to stand behind and say yes According to the scriptures john McArthur is disqualified john McArthur should step down and and cori minor went as far as on public to put on my timeline requesting and asking for all of the entire reform community To demand that john McArthur stepped down because of his treatment of eileen gray. That was just off of one case my friend So now you you you ran your mouth Now i'm gonna challenge you with this i would like to have a conversation with you on this channel on this live tomorrow night Okay Because this is not your first time that you come on my on my channel and making these statements But now i'm calling you on it if you if you're that bold To make these statements these accusations I want you to come on my channel tomorrow night You and i face to face mono a mono and we have a biblical conversation on when should public sin be publicly Check because by the way by the way According to your friend the one that you're supporting and that you're keeping for Cori minor this is the same this is the same brother that just said This month that public sin does not require public repentance Did you hear that michelle? Did you did you hear that so so so marquis? Let's let's let's follow your logic and let's follow cori minors logic. Okay Let me take your comment down If public sin does not require public repentance, then why should I give a private call to a public? video I'll wait I'll wait You want to phone a friend marquis? You you need to you need to take a commercial break I'll wait Make that logic Make sense for me and all the viewers On this live and those who will watch it because see you're being consistently inconsistent my friend You you're being consistently inconsistent So so if you if you're going to if you're going to make statements I need you to back it up biblically being my friend has nothing to do when it comes to sin my friend matter of fact The bible says proverbs chapter 27 verse 5 and 6 faithful all the wounds of a friend deceitful all the kisses of an enemy That's what the bible says show me in scripture where paul pulled peter to the side when peter was leading people into the sin of hypocrisy Show me where he had a private conversation about a public matter I'll wait I'll wait But see it's people like you They want to have they want to tell people like me. I need to have a private conversation about public sin This man publicly defended a pastor who now supports pedophiles rapists child molesters And white beaters make that make sense to me and when you do Hit me up somebody put the uh put the email in the in the chat Put the email in the chat. I want I want to see you tomorrow marquis more Don't give me no excuses either. I'll make time for you I'll make time for you All I want you to do is bring book chapter verse when you come up over here when you pull up over here You better hate the scriptures Because people like you need to be taught you're all speaking out of ignorance. You're speaking like a fool And see the bible says proverbs 18 13 When you give an answer before hearing the facts god says you're a fool marquis You don't have the fact sir And it's clear you don't have the facts you putting you putting friendship over the Fidelity and faithfulness of the scriptures. I don't do that sir. My loyalty is to god not to man Paul says follow me as I follow christ who you following bro That's the email. I want you to holler at me. Let's set the conversation up tomorrow same time tomorrow night Don't give me no excuses You got time to come up if you get time to get time to converse on my on my channel came up Or shut up Now let me get back to my sister All right, you want some water? Oh, I'm good. Oh, I'm people like him You got your hat on he should have Had on you a little bit more gracious brothers I don't have time. I don't have time for dudes who want to try to tell me how bro. I've been I've been in past or a ministry for a minute I'm not new at this Okay, I'm not new at this At all now you want to you want to come over here and tell me what I need to do and tell me what friendship is No friendship is not what you see coriander doing Cormina has over 100 100,000 subscribers that he is now telling people lies and in this doctrines of demons See doctrines of demons is not just people Growling and foaming at the mouth. They ain't even a doctrine of demon. That's even possession a form of it No doctrines of demons when people try to slither and sneak stuff into the scripture that doesn't that doesn't say what the scripture says When you tell people that public sin does not require public repentance That's a doctrine of demons my brother When you tell people that a man who supports and protects Sex offenders pedophiles child molesters and rapists that he is not disqualified that he is still a pastor Because he only had one offense That's a doctrine of demons So miss me with the foolishness man Get at me Email me. I'll be waiting for your response. Email me your contact information So we can set this up tomorrow I want you to present your case Biblically and if it if it's not it's going to be an embarrassing day for you my friend Very embarrassing. So y'all need to be praying for mark. He's more End to see for him because he's going to need it if he comes up with that foolishness, but anyway Do you want to pray right now? You need to pray for him. You may want to shut your hands toward his toward his screen Yeah Yeah, he's gonna need it. So anyway Let's move on to the to the next question for you And we're almost about to wrap this one up. We're almost we're almost we're almost there. We're about to we're about to descend a little bit Coming down a little bit coming down a little bit. Okay Uh, no marquis. Just email me. No more talking No more talking no more talking. I just want your contact information Nothing else. Nothing else for you to say to me other than let's do this tomorrow And if not tomorrow Friday and if not Friday this weekend, I'll make time for you I'll make time for you You deserve it. You deserve my attention and I'm gonna give it to you So ladies and gentlemen, y'all heard the challenge you've heard the offer If he doesn't he's all talk. He's all mouth and I don't want to see him on my channel anymore similar to that period now Michelle What are your thoughts regarding Since we're talking about John MacArthur. Thanks to mr. Moore. It was it was part of my questions. Anyway, we're gonna we're gonna end it We're gonna end it up around this around this subject here. What are your thoughts? Regarding the abuse scandal and John MacArthur. I mean last year we you were on the panel we were discussing it and seems like things have have have emerged and have you know grown to to become worse than what the first case regarding Eileen Gray. There have been others have not come out Elder Han Cho did an investigation upon request of the elders contrary to what protesty and and david morrow and others want to say that He wasn't asked to do this. Well, it's proof It's proof the receipts have shown that he was asked to do this and so he came with the results Came with his findings of the investigation Uh, told the church told the elders told John MacArthur that they messed up They did wrong they sin they need to make it right with Eileen Gray And they repent there's time to do justice as he said and John MacArthur's words were forget it So still to this day, there's no apology. There's no public. There's no public repentance. There's nothing Uh regarding uh MacArthur or the elders anyone apologizing for their treatment against Eileen Gray and her children To this very day and other cases have now emerged. So I want to know what are your thoughts? Um regarding The abuse scandal surrounding John MacArthur and Grace Community Church um How do I want to say this? Um, I think it's pretty sickening. Um, am I surprised? No Um Because there's so many scandals that are happening in churches whether they're reformed whether they're Lutheran whether they're word of faith Whatever the case may be it's sad. Um, However, I'm not surprised. Um, when you have built a platform that unfortunately, you know, I was listening to What was his name? Uh, the the older, uh, white gentleman dot was a name doctor Which one? That came on last week. What was his name the one that used to work at? Oh Dennis Watson Dennis Watson. Okay The deeds got me. Um, I was listening to him and I was sitting here thinking and I was like, you know A lot of this sounds like When you esteem yourself More than you esteem god um, and it reminded me of how With John MacArthur though, he's done great things for for the reform community However, he still put himself at a level where he was above god and he did it in such a subtle way It kind of reminds me of how and and you know, if you don't if y'all don't know by now I love all people. Um, but it kind of reminds me of how when white people get something and they They they put their stamp of approval on it. Then it somehow becomes bible And that's exactly what has happened. So therefore because he's put his stamp of approval And he has built this ministry on on helping people be more biblically sound and teach them the word of god He made himself untouchable and he made himself not be be human in in the sense to say that you can make mistakes You can fall you you can have situations that can happen And I think that it's disheartening that people can't see past basic human needs. I'm gonna go to that because we're allowing a situation that is heinous within itself Be talked about as if oh well, he really didn't know no leadership starts from the top, baby Okay, I don't care what anybody says if there's an issue within your body It's gonna start from the top of your head and flow all the way down to the bottom So he knew exactly what was going on even to where you're still funding someone in prison That is guilty of the crimes that they committed. I don't know how people sleep at night. That's not my that's not really my business But what I will say is when I hear situations like this All I can do is think about matthew 7 and I think a lot of people forget about that Because we don't want to talk about it because it's a harsh judgment to believers But a lot of people are gonna find themselves in the situation before the almighty god And he gonna be like I never knew you Yeah evil workers of iniquity And that is something that we have to be very mindful of because just because they say they love god He said you will know them by their fruit Okay, loving and fruit and rotten fruit ain't the fruit that we want to be looking at And I think that's the part that people fail to realize and there needs to be protection I don't give a rat's wrinkle. How much you know them 66 books if you have bad characters go sit down somewhere Right. Right. I don't understand why because oh, he's john mcArthur that or anybody anybody of that some sort like even I know personal stories of young black men that were victimizing black churches being raped by black ministers And we don't talk about that enough and using their authority over them And then you know in the black church using what god said and using scripture all wrong and got these black boys All messed up thinking that they're homosexuals and they're not They're a victim of being and a lot of them started being groomed at 10 11 12 years old Like this is disgusting But no because they get up there they hoop and they holla what I got 18 000 books and they got good commentary We just gonna turn other cheek and act like none of this is happening No, where's your basic human and humanity skills to love on people and protect people? It's disgusting I don't care who you are and and again, we're in the day and the hour where things are being exposed Yeah, he may be 80. Well 90. Well, however, he old he is and yeah, sometimes evil gets away with things Yes, I said evil A little bit longer than normal But then also too the reason why I'm not just shocked 100 percent because systemically white people rape People a lot is part of what they they do and I know a lot of people don't want to hear that But this is they raped us in slavery Um, there's always sexual perversion in the politics the politics world. There's sexual perversion Why are we so in an uproar when it hits the church? Like it's like it's not something that That's not gonna happen. But no, he's John MacArthur. He wrote all of these books. He's got all these sermons He delivered you from your word of faith Apostolic ministry and now you know the bible. So how dare he no No, no, no, if you won't call out the word of faith, you won't call out the word for him Look, like we say in the streets, everybody can get these hands. Like it doesn't matter Right is right and wrong is wrong period Facts now, of course, you know, you're getting some trouble for that for that white person. I know I am but I love y'all Yeah, I think I'm like, you know, you know, you don't get trouble for that You don't get so I I want to make sure that people know that you said that and if you want to Testimonials I do you're invited to the cookout you and Daryl. Don't don't take that the wrong way. Yeah. Yeah, so so so You you're saying there's history behind that. I mean it it is Uh, you ever said you ever heard this documentary called bug the bug breaking? No Yeah, it's right behind my head. It's called bug breaking. I got the book in the video I mean, it's history. I mean, it's true, but we and we're not we're not saying all White people but we're talking about this type of this type of treatment where people do this And it's prevalent just like this like a case in point and I'm not I'm not trying to keep my sister because I agree with her just like We talk about black folk and black on black crime What's the narrative and I'm not saying it's wrong because it's true 13 percent of the population are responsible for how much of the violent crimes in this country over half that's That's true. I mean you go all of our cities in the hood. No, it's true We can't we can't we can't deny it because it's a fact So now if if that's true and we have evidence of that why we can't make this be the same thing And we we can bring the evidence with that so Uh, and like you said not all white not all black. We're we're talking about a representative of of of both of the whole right so We we're we're gonna deal with this issue because it needs to be it needs to be dealt with and um I'm gonna play these clips. Actually, this is this is uh, sister Lisa Uh, and she was on the panel with you all last year And I have to share this because what you said and by the way ladies and I'm saying it again My sister knew nothing about these questions. I'm telling y'all nothing nothing about these questions This is all flowing According to how we're having this conversation, but I believe it's necessary. So We're gonna come back on other side of this of these clips. You got four of them back to back in succession This is sister lisa spencer as I read the report. I've actually read it a couple times And I read her follow-up article, but it raised the number of questions for me And that in one of the questions is and and this became even further Further the more information that I got especially with the pushback Yes, one. Why was she not believed? Why was it so you know, why was it Why was her testimony so quick to be discredited? And the person who was doing the abusing Why was he the one who was upheld? And so that leads me to a second question as I read the article and that was further entrenched as I got more information What is it about that culture, right? Because I think that this is indicative of a church culture Yes, one does not believe women, right? And this is and the irony to me is You know, if you have a robust doctrine of sin Right, it would seem to me that the harder you go in on sin the easier It should be for you to recognize it But at the same time It was you're right. It was reverted So how is it that the person who is committing the sin is absolved? And the person who is sinned against is the one who is made out to be the villain What is and to me this speaks to a deeper issue about the church culture That's it played because unfortunately when that story broke I started seeing like I'm you know, I'm pretty active on twitter and I started seeing People sharing, you know a couple ladies shared their stories when they were students at foster seminary And that involved, you know situations that involve sexual assault where they were made out To be the villain But the person who was a perpetrator Was you know was treated with grace And with kindness and to me that is the bigger issue Right Because my sister was right, you know, jesus said My kingdom is not of this world His body is supposed to operate In a way that is different They're really standard and I don't and so to me the nothing the next question I had is why is there such a disconnect? Between what is preached and what is practiced? My my my Right because you know because what what has the pushback been? Well, this is a this is a faithful ministry This is a ministry that has helped me in my in my christian growth. I don't doubt that at all Right, but at the same time What we preach is only part of the equation. Come on practice Is also equally important Right love god love neighbor what we believe and what we do read the book of change Yes, you know faith and works work together. Come on So my question especially as I looked at all of the pushback Why is there such blindness? Why is there such a defense of what is supposed to be a faithful ministry? which By all accounts Right, like this is not just somebody made something up This is backed up by a trial by court documents So why is it still? That there's this pushback. Well, we need to hear both sides of the story. I'm sorry, but when there's abuse And you know and that's been collaborated. There are no two sides of the story There's the abuse and there's the abuser and so to me it's what has been very very disturbing to me is Just the the disregard and the dismissal That you know, especially that has come against jewelry Roy's whatever you think about her methods. Come on, you know The issue is is is what she telling the truth and here's what and here's what I really don't like You know, I've been following her for a few years. You know, I've read many of her pieces So this charge that she hates macArthur I don't that's not what she hates what she hates is corruption in the church and she looks to Expose it. That's my tape. Yes on her So to me this whole situation and especially the pushback and the protection and the you know unwillingness To you know to deal with what has been exposed Right and listen, I get it. You you know, you know, I've heard accounts. Well, you know They were duped or they didn't know. Okay, but then once the info no once the truth comes to light Where's the where's the repentance? Where's the apology? Where's the reaching out to heart and say, you know what sister? We were wrong right because that what that's that's what humility does right So anyways, so that is you know, so that that that was that was my take it just I keep asking these questions about the situation and why we are so willing to turn a blind eye For the sake of personality So she came in hot like all of y'all did and I believe those questions were were were poignant and And they're still they're still left to be answered. I wish Corey minor Uh Was able to hear this matter of fact ironically He was in the chat During the live when this was going on Last year and and was not pushing back on it at all. I wish this brother's position Uh didn't shift and change As he did now because instead of him defending macarthur. He's defending I'm instead of him defending eileen gray and the abused victims and the children He's defending a man who's supporting and defending Sexual predators and pedophiles and rapists, but I wanted to get your thoughts about about what you heard I mean, I agree with everything that she said the the one thing that just reminded me is you know, there is a slogan that says Protect black women, right? But let's just talk about protecting women in general There is a lack of protection for women and then what I was also thinking about as rewatching those clips was How I'm not surprised by the behavior because Typically in reform societies Women are typically told to sit in the house and just be homemakers And that's how I thought that that was a beautiful thing, right? There's nothing wrong with homeschooling your children But when you deep a little bit like when you deep digger into that like some of the reform circles of the women That have the women's ministries. It's almost rooted in a hatred that people don't like to talk about And when you look at it from that standpoint because I've immersed myself in those type of environments It's like no, you have a little bit more of a purpose But because what is being taught and you know, the godfather has taught this down and trickled down to other ministries It's like, why would you regard eileen gray or anybody else that has a case? Regarding mistreatment to women because in your heart you really don't value women the way that you say you do Nor do you look at them as an image bearer As you should because of your views on what what women actually can do But again, we can't have these conversations because how dare we know the heart of don macarthur Well, we know his fruit come on clear You will have to go on continuously Then you have a problem with women, sir And then you've bred other men to now have problems with women So therefore it's a cycle effect because again leadership comes from the top. That's right That's right. And I question whether or not you say Yeah, I question that I I don't I don't consider any person who does this and nobody the way letting do I mean if we want if we want to keep the clock running, uh, this has been going on for over 44 years Since 1979 That's how long it's been going on And that one time has he came come forward and repented made this the right none of this stuff and and we're and we're We're defending that so so we have brothers and sisters in christ who are divided over over an old man Who's about to check up out of here Over over abuse that he refuses to repent of and individuals whose lives would never be the same Never be the same these abuse survivors and victims lives will never They're they're they're they're just they're just moving on and trying to deal with what has happened to them Years and decades ago And so when I hear when I hear callous and cold hearted people say that was 27 years ago That's it. That's it. I even heard uh, I think it was if it was field johnson I think he was either said that either field johnson or one of those idiots on protestia Said it was a cold case a cold case. It's something that was not solved the man is in prison Serving time he had his he had his parole hearing rejected denied Because he was trying to go out for parole and they said nope you haven't you haven't changed a bit You still haven't changed so This man is still in prison for 21 21 years of life But people are defending this man and not defending the woman and the children and other abuse survivors who have who have gone through this I want to read this scripture because I believe this is important Proverbs 31 verse eight nine open your mouth for the mute for the rights of all the unfortunate Open your mouth judge righteously and defend the rights of the afflicted and the needy And I believe people like corey mine and mark is more need to read this verse right here And this is in the 17th chapter of proverbs in verse uh, 15 Proverbs 17 15 The word of god says he who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous both of them alike Are an abomination to the lord That's what the bible says so Those of you who are making excuses for john macarthur and saying that he so so listen to this listen to this now Those of you who are making excuses for john macarthur defending john macarthur saying he's not disqualified like corey minor and all You're violating you're in violation you you matter of fact god says he hates people like you When you justify the the guilty and condemn the innocent The innocent are the eileen graze the wendy graze The han chose The young lady who had to jump out of her car from her abuser and her kidnapper The last name is aligurte From all from grace community church And they failed to report that For two years. Why because they're legally not respite. They're legally not obligated to do so. What kind of demonic selfish Wicked stuff is that I tell you what it is. It's the only non christians do that Because if I love my neighbors myself, I cannot imagine I cannot imagine michelle Seeing my seeing my fellow neighbor or my brother or sister in christ a fellow image bearer be abused be mistreated my goodness Even the good Samaritan stopped where he was going to tend to the man that was beating up on the side of the road that's But we have professing christians those who know the heb and the greek that don't even understand The second greatest commandment in english get out of my face with that I have zero respect for people like cori minor. I have zero respect for people like john mcgarthon If you are defending wickedness you get no respect from me None and I meant exactly what I said So when I hear when I hear people like cori minor say this Would you go to graze community church if eileen graze was your daughter would I go to graze community church? Well, it will see that's why you can't answer a question because that would affect me personally now I've got some skin in the game It's like the guy that jumped on my daughter or did something violate my daughter Um, could could I could I sit on the on the bus right beside him? No Could you yes, why? See what we do sometimes is we break we want to make the emotional argument and then that governs That would be hard for me. I mean I let's not treat my I look at my daughters as though they're gold Now do I do I look at your daughters the same way I look at my daughter? No There's a there's four billion other daughters on the planet. I don't look at them the same way look at mine Michelle, please respond to that. I wanted to get your thoughts you a woman I've already said what I needed to say about it. You go right ahead It's disheartening um It goes back to the the lack of protection that women have So I'll give you an example and I'm a circle back So as I stated earlier for those that don't know I work for a domestic violent shelter um, and we actually house uh victims and so we take care of their rent and utilities and different things like that And I remember now technically I'm not supposed to talk to them But if something happens where they get a hold of my number or my email I can assist them And I had a client whose lights were about to be cut off And she had a four-year-old and a two-month-old and the problem was is that the company received the check But they couldn't tell Us where the check was and why it wasn't cash I sat on the phone for two and a half hours and when I tell you I leaned The the call person out. I said first of all I'm talking like it's my money I said this is my money. I said you got my check and you cashed it because this is yours I said, let me ask you a question young man. He's like, yes. I said, are you going to go home with lights today? He said, yeah, I said, okay She has a four-year-old and yeah four-year-old and a two-month-old her lights will be cut on I don't know this lady for adam But the fact of the matter is in my mind She is a survivor of domestic violence Now she's put into a home now She does not have lights nor does she have the funds to take care of it It is my agency's responsibility to make sure that she has that now I could have been like, well, listen I'm sorry such and such your life's gonna be cut off. They can't do nothing But no, I took it upon myself to fight for her because guess what? I'm sitting in my apartment with lights on and food in my refrigerator that when I get hungry I can get up and go get so how dare I not have a righteous anger that you got my check and cashed But telling me her lights are getting ready to get cut off at five o'clock that does not make any sense to me At at what point do regardless of if it's not you because I don't know that lady I don't know her children. They are not a direct effect But because I am a person of human decency and kindness I took the burden as mine You don't have to be a part of the situation to not be burdened by Right is right and wrong is wrong But again, we got these pansy people out here doing whatever they want to do What for the name of whatever it is? No answer the question correctly, but again Like I tell people all the time when there's money involved when you have a reach a certain status in the hiatus Then no you're gonna act accordingly and shucking job and do a little dance I'm not here to shucking job and do a little dance and I tell people all the time I'm too big to be walking on somebody's eggshells I'm gonna show up as truth and stand on truth and as a woman I could not see myself listening to anything that you have to say when you cannot take care of fellow Image bearers you cannot answer a question regarding a fellow image bearer You can even think of a hypothetical situation I would never want to even have that thought process of something happening to my children someone else's children But regardless I would still have a response because it's an image bearer Being mistreated. You sound dumb homie. You sound dumb. Thank you. There it is. That's the michelle I know right there. You sound dumb Now I'm gonna give you no more air horn if you didn't come with that heat. I'm not playing with you. You playing too much Like come on here lose here I'm probably gonna end up somewhere on a soundbite in the clip from the mall, but let me tell you something I ain't sick on that Uh-oh God don't play about me And you got brothers. So what's up? That's it. So you mentioned something about you know about women being protected by Uh by men and again y'all it's amazing how these questions and these comments are just coming You know like this and again, she doesn't know anything about what I was scripting. None of this stuff It's just flowing the lord is actually You know running this running this live and so I want to play this last clip And I believe this this kind of like ties in to what We're talking about On tonight and I needless to say needless to say you would not recommend Grace community church to anyone you wouldn't go there either if if you know someone That was going through what eileen gray and others have gone through you would not recommend them to To go there. I'm assuming that would be a no Yeah, okay. That's why I figured I did I just wanted to make that for the record So see see cori that's easy to answer even though he tried to come back and try to act like as though he was trying to answer it again bruh just repent Just repent it was a simple question simple answer And then the fact that he populated the question on the screen And then try to minimize it It has made the whole thing worse and nobody's gonna forget about it until you repent I'm not gonna forget about it Now make sure everybody else doesn't forget about it and they hold you accountable And if you want to be a pastor, which you don't really qualify for but but anyway Some church will make it will let you qualify to be a pastor, but that's not pastoral leadership YouTube YouTube gives out all type of seminary degrees and ordinations We're gonna have a convocation You want to host this they go we have a good old holy ghost time. Come on. Let's get him Ma'am I'm about to let you go Oh I'm I'm I'm gonna play this clip and I'm then you go I'm not doing this Okay, let's let's let's let's get to this let's get to this last clip Sister Latanya Quinn she was on the panel Her question, I believe a man. It just it was a powerful question. It was a powerful question. So let's let's let's play it But at the end of the day God created us as a female We are weaker than men and we need if we cannot depend on the church Who are we going to depend on they have the word to eternal life? They have all of what god has given to his people the world doesn't have that So if we can't depend on the church, where can we go? There it is. I mean the church It's the last bastion of hope and safety for the world and if we can't The women if y'all can't go there then I mean god like you said god help y'all I think that that was I have to add that to this to this live because That really that really sums it up. I mean we should even be having a conversation about this About women being protected and women being abused and then have to now fight for their own freedom Fight for their own dignity for their own self-worth for their own protection by the very people That are supposed to be the shepherds and and under shepherds of god's flock, but we are so Wanted to let you have your final thoughts ma'am any any final Comment so any words that you would like to share To the people before before we wrap this up and let you go. You have the floor ma'am I just want to talk about what you just said. It just made me think I it's sad, right? That we have to experience this but let me challenge your thinking a little bit um What if the exposure had to happen so that as god can see I mean the world is nothing but we getting worse Baby, we're not getting better. We we are truly the Generation that can say we are seeing it fall apart But what if this is a part of god's plan so that there could be a restoration? um of things to happen right because more or less I've seen in the comments plenty of times when you start bringing up this that many women have been exposed to abuse in a church And have not been able to speak out against it or are still healing from that So what if this was the time for the exposure to happen, right? Because one thing is that yes People have trauma. Yes. We know that there's ptsd from things that um happen You have your triggers from you know things in the past like when people try to dismiss well this happened 20 years ago But one thing I know about god is that god is good, right? Yeah Kind and what he does but he makes no mistakes and if he has chosen us Already, but some of us are still out there and it takes people like you like me and other people to To be the image bears that you know We are to bring people back home that are broken that are wounded that have experienced this Then this is god ultimate setup like you know with the enemy plans for evil god always turns around for as good And I think that we have to realize that sometimes um and yes the church should be a safe haven But again, this is the part that that always bothers me the people out in the world Y'all don't know no better. The message of the cross is foolishness to them Ones that profess to believe honey, y'all know better. So yes, we should be doing Continuous sweeps of the house. I mean if they kick the baby out of here Why are we not doing this? You know, I don't understand what has changed Then we should constantly be in a cleansing mode to say okay. Are we operating together? I know that I'm not the same christian that I was at 25 that I am at 35 There's a growth process that happens So why are we not doing the better job as the church to truly be the church? And not be blindsided by things that are happening and call things out as they are I'm I'm just very perplexed by all of this. Yes, we should be a safe haven I mean, I don't understand why we're not and we need more men We need more leaders. We need you we need x We need all of the other ones that are in this group that are constantly pouring into people Continuously to say hey Go go forth and do what it is that god has called you to do that She won't even know yet because he didn't chose you. You don't even know that you chose Come on into the neighborhood and be uh renewed and transformed be adopted. Come on. Get this grace in this mercy daily Come on It it bewilders me, but if the cleanup happens in the house first, I tell people all the time I can't help you if my own house is in shambles. That doesn't make any sense So I think that we need to start fixing and doing what you're doing now Exposing call out and move on and guess what though. They kicked the baby out. They brought him back in So Cory when he get us up together, we're gonna bring you right back in the fold It just comes up with a little bit of humility and a little bit of just saying hey, I was wrong I'm pretty sure I There's things that you said years ago In videos and lives that you had to come back and we can't I tell my best friend Legalistic word of faith me show them listen to half the stuff She told you we're gonna come back and hit you with some biblical truths because that's Where it's at because we're we're constantly growing Nobody has arrived and I think the part that people forget is that your gift comes without repentance Yeah, you're affirming him and you love their bibles and they podcast and all of that That gift came without repentance. So they're gonna be Lucifer was talented. Heck. He was handsome. You know, he was light up there, but he's still evil. Come on now Like we have to remember these things and I just think that There's a call for um, you know, even men even I see like, you know, how men are dealing with suicide right now Um, there's an attack on men. There's been an attack for shoot. There was an attack on King Herod was out here trying to kill There's constantly been an attack on men in general And I think we just need more brothers in Christ We need sister continue to be in position to pray And and to be that example as well and allow us to walk alongside of you all not in positions Where we're trying to assert authority at least like I said that As brothers and sisters in Christ, you know, because that's exactly what they did in the new testament You know, I didn't help churches was probably fine. I don't want to know what Priscilla and Aquila was in there talking about I'm pretty sure it was okay. Come on And I think that it's important and we're just in a season of shifting and a good Shifting so that we can make room for what needs to be had because a lot of this people are not used to hearing Bible spoke in this way people are used to people living these buttoned up cushy Lives and that they haven't sinned, but if you go behind closed doors They out here sleeping with everybody and they live in a life that is just 100% ratchet. There's zero righteous I've posted a post the other day people look at church as a checkmark Um, it's not an actual lifestyle. I tell people all the time. Yeah I can only go out into the world But so much because the way that god loves me and all of his children He gonna let you get to the edge of the cliff and then snap you right back because you don't belong out there In the reason why you can't fit in in the world is because you now when you were adopted into the body of christ You're thinking you were renewed and transformed. Why do you want to go back to the old way of thinking? Because listen, I don't ever want him to give me over to a debates mind, okay? I like the little cookie one that I have right now I don't want a new one. Okay. I like this one. Well, we're good. We we we developed here Um, and I think that we just have to just continue to be in position continue to call out foolishness and stand on truce That's it. Keep it a honey. Amen Sister let people know how they can reach out to you. I'm pretty sure after this live People are gonna want to reach out and touch your hand So let people know how they can reach out to you sis. Go ahead. Okay, so I am on facebook um under my name Michelle niggi and then i'm on instagram as clothed underscore the letter in underscore dignity mm-hmm all right, so You do know that you have been with me for almost three hours two hours and 51 minutes. We've been america This is this this is hard It feels like a normal conversation that we have that's it. That's I'm trying to tell y'all this is man Look y'all y'all just came in y'all just came in on what we do pretty much, uh on a regular basis. So again Can you talk? Sure? Like lock out the rest of my rest of my day We'll be talking about Because I see a brother put this in here now I don't understand this whole sugar on grits because my family's from the south So you're supposed to eat grits with butter Salt and pepper and some cheese and if you really know how to make grits She's supposed to put some milk in it to make it a little creamy But if you make a shrimp and grits you want to boil that in some chicken broth so that you can get some flavor Who is putting sugar on their grits? This is heretics. Heretics. This is nasty. I don't understand It's heretics I mean, I I have some hair. I have some heretics in my house too, but I can't do nothing with them You know as a matter of fact when i'm done training for my body building show Y'all don't come come to my house. I'm gonna make y'all some grits Grits is made. Okay. You don't put no day on sugar and no Look one one one right here Look, I so I say this creamy one does it right here. She said look and she got exclamation points on hers She's saying she's bold in her sin. She's bold and brazen in her sin And then she puts and then she puts a biscuit. She puts ketchup on her biscuit When she go to Popeyes. Yes. This this is this is what I deal with this is what I live with This is what I did not learn in marriage counseling I did not know that there was one of the quick one of the questions that I needed to ask Do you put sugar on grits and do you put ketchup on your biscuit? I didn't know that and now What kind of temperature you like in your house to that because that's crucial because you know us women we take showers at a negative 1000 degrees and then you know We we like the house to be ice cold for no apparent reason I mean, you know, there's lovers to this Yes, serious I don't I don't think this is ridiculous. Yeah, this rebellion is this this this you you want to win in the last days That's how we know in the last day if you put your stick on the grits Last day the biscuits and ketchup. I mean, it's weird, but I'm like Okay, here you go ready It's dough It's ketchup pizza and marinara See because I kind of understand what they're going with that. You by yourself because I still can't deal with that I mean, I'm not gonna do it. I don't even like ketchup. So, uh, but I'm never gonna do it I'm gonna use like honey or something. Okay, honey. Yeah, I can deal with honey and jelly, but that's it. But but you know Yeah Ketchup. I don't know. Anyway, that that this kind only comes up by fastening prayer and right now Yeah, that's it. Look, they cracking up about no, I don't like ketchup because really what do you use ketchup for french fries? First of all ranch dressing on french fries is amazing. Like what y'all out here doing? Um, or if you just What nothing I'm just about to let you go. I'm about to let you go. That's all What you don't like ranch rice? No, I'm about the end of life. That's all about the end of life That's all I mean Hey, let's say now. I mean you're doing good talking about the other the the the spirit thing now you want some other carnal stuff I can't I can't do with that It's past my bedtime I cannot I cannot I don't even know I don't even know who won the game tonight. I guess I find out uh between the Lakers and uh You be out here having these long winded uh No, I'm just asking. I'm no I'm just asking who I wanted who won the game. What quarter is it in right now? I'm about I'm about to find out I guess I find out when I get off this live, but listen sis. I appreciate you coming on here We had to do this had to do it had to do it had to do it again I heart all of you guys. I can't wait to be a moderator in the next couple of days or tomorrow because you know Look they're gonna chop this one up. That's for sure Oh, yeah, this is gonna get chopped up You should have did eight six seven five three or nine. Okay, just seven seven seven ninety three Not even living but 11 11 What what's the Houston one? Oh, it's Mike Jones. Ah, shoot I can't remember that one. I know Mike Jones. I remember this song. Yeah Anyway, I'm out here girl. I appreciate you. Love you and I'll be talking to you again soon as usual, of course Bye guys. Bye All right, y'all that is sister Michelle McGee up in the building. She was in here glad to have her on and I hope you all were blessed by it as well too and again Real conversations y'all real conversation for real people Glad you all was able to hang around and stick around with us on tonight So, um, thank you. Oh, oh so much for for that is clearing out some things here making sure everything is good Because everybody was lit in the comments. So I definitely appreciate that. All right So please like subscribe and share the notification bell. Y'all appreciate that. Thank you all so much for the support and the encouragement we do Thank you all for sharing our content and videos I also like to support the message you can do that by clicking the donation links below as well And tick it across the screen You can do that Through the means of support here as well BCV merchandise, of course, you go to the BCV link below as you can see it ticket across the screen Do thank you and appreciate And thank you all so much for that. My boy is there. I said his drive is done. I help him with his drive time y'all so I love my ministry useful useful for something. So I appreciate that. But anyway, I appreciate you guys. Thank you all so much Tune in tomorrow. Maybe I'll do a video. We'll we'll see how things go And um, you guys have a good night And y'all know the drill whatever you do Do all things going on. I've got god bless Only that