 On today's show, comedian Alex Edelman and documentarian Holly Morris, director of the Babushkas of Chernobyl. Welcome to the broadcast. I'm David Feldman, DavidFeldmanShow.com. Please, friend me on Facebook, follow me on Twitter. Comedian Alex Edelman is leaving for London to tape a one-hour special for the BBC. We're never going to see him again because he's going to come back from London, land a failed NBC sitcom, then do an HBO special that gets critically acclaimed. Netflix will grab him, give him a series, which will become a huge hit, and then Alex Edelman, and then Alex Edelman will be directing and starring in movies, concerts, and hopefully a drug overdose. We get him today while we still can, along with Liam McEnany and Gay Blacks. Then we talk to Holly Morris, director of the Babushkas of Chernobyl, a film that documents the old ladies of Chernobyl who stayed behind and farmed the land on the site of the world's worst nuclear disaster. This is an amazing story and an amazing documentary. Very quickly we have premium content. We're posting some classic bits. They're $2.50 each, or for as little as $5 a month you can become a monthly subscriber and gain access to all our premium content for free. We accept all major credit cards. To find out more, go to davidfeldmanshow.com and don't forget to do all your Amazon shopping via the David Feldman show website. We get a small cut and it helps support this wonderful show. Hey, give us a good review on iTunes, please. That helps us move up the charts. So, let's get right to it, Alex Edelman and Holly Morris. Play the theme. All right. Welcome back. We have a special guest. Alex Edelman is here. Alex is not only a brilliant comedian, but he won the Perrier Award at the Edinburgh Comedy Festival. Well, it's called the Foster's Award now. It's called the Foster's. At the time it was the Perrier Award. When I won it, it was the Foster's. Okay. But yeah, people still colloquially, to the infiriation of the people who do it now, it's still colloquially referred to as the Perrier. Well, that's the amount of research that goes into the David Feldman show week after week. Alex, did you win the Perrier Award because your comedy is for rich white people? No, I won the Perrier Award because my comedy is bland and tasteless. That is why I won the Perrier Award. Or Bubbly. Bubbly and effervescent. And overpriced. And transparent. Well, now it's called the Foster's Award, so it's named after a different kind of tasteless liquid. Alex Edelman won the Foster's Award at the Edinburgh Comedy Festival. That's quite an accomplishment. He's a... That means if you don't know and you're listening at home, that means he did a one-hour show as part of the huge Edinburgh Festival fringe, which is the biggest cultural event in Europe on a yearly basis. And a lot of comedians do their one-hour shows and a lot of them are like critically acclaimed in Europe. And then Edelman over there, fucking went over there, won the award and started a bunch of European comics saying the word motherfucker over and over again. Yeah, really, it was not expected, but it's been very... Are any of those guys still talking to you? Yeah, I have a few friends. No, no one speaks to me over there. No one speaks to me here, too. He is also recording an hour special for the BBC. He is flying to London to record Alex Edelman live from the BBC. And then he returns on the 14th of November to appear at Union Hall for his one-hour concert entitled Everything Handed to You. Please welcome the very funny Alex Edelman. Thank you for that protracted introduction. That's much nicer. That's selectively editing a lot of failure, but that's very kind. Thank you. Also with us, speaking of selectively editing failure, also with us is Gay Blacks. Hello. And you are a hysterical comedy writer. Thank you. And your improv group, your sketch comedy group is called Forever Dog. Yes. And you were also roommates with Alex Edelman. Well, we weren't roommates. We were close. I would say, could I say we were close college friends? I'd prefer if you didn't, but we didn't know each other in college. They weren't roommates, but they did share a bit. And that is one time. And that is the voice of Nancy. The sweet dulcetones. That is Liam Mackinney, who is the host of the Tell Your Friends podcast. History's greatest podcast, yes, on which David Feldman has appeared, but we haven't aired that episode yet. Really? Yeah. It was it was it was an awkward episode. And I was like kind of back and forth on whether or not to actually drop it, but I but it's going to go down this month for sure. I didn't make the cut. You did make the cut. I made the decision. He's saying you barely made the cut, but you didn't make the cut. No, what I'm saying is like I kind of like I sat on it for a bit because David, David was not on good terms with one of the other guests while we were recording. Yeah, drop the dirt. I mean, they've made episodes, Frank Conniff. It wasn't that we were not. It was palpable. You could hear Frank not looking at you. It was definitely. All right, but it's going to when you listen to it, you'll hear it was definitely something. Well, you're also going to be taping a comedy CD. Give us the dates on that. I will be I will be dropping wax as the kids don't say. That's January 10th at the Bell House. I'm recording my second album. And you can go to tinyurl.com slash C Liam. And a few of my friends are going to be performing with me. Rob Haravonian will be hosting. Dave Hill will be opening and so Colin Jost. Colin Jost will be opening as well. Wow. Yeah. And so that's going to be I've come up with the title for Collins next CD. Surely you just that's not bad. That's has it been done? No, that's not. I would prefer court joster, but I really like. I really like. Surely you just this will take just a second. Jost in the nick of crime. Jost for laughs. Just for laughs. Just great. Just for laughs. That is we're not giving credit because it came forth. But if we said it first, that would be like, yeah, that's the final. I was holding on to Jost for laughs from the beginning. I saw you writing that down before the show. That's that's why Feldman maintains a writing career because he knows when to drop in the right joke. Yeah. Everyone in the room is like, oh, that's the one we'll go with. It's always Jost for laughs. Jost for laughs. No matter what. That's your bad pitch. Even before there was a Colin Jost. Hey, so you're over. You're doing some work over Comedy Central, right? Can we talk about that? I don't know if I'm really allowed to talk about it, but I work for Comedy Central. Can I say something about Gabriel? Gate, other than the fact that he's one of the most brilliant writers in the world. No, that's literally it. I was saying that. Thank you. I think he's one of my he's, you know how there's one person that makes you laugh hard. Right. Like thank you. Like at everything. I appreciate that. Liam, I'm sure that you're that person for somebody one day. But I gave in college gave is that guy and still is. And then I just went down and sort of lost the magic. My early stuff is great. It was a one hit wonder. But we would have these meetings that usually we're not productive. But we were in a sketch comedy group together with Andrew Taven, Casey Turgison, Tony Grayson, and Rob DeBryon, who are all really funny comedy writers. And it was really, really fun. It was the most fun I've ever had in a room with other people with clothes on. It was so, which is like a tacky magazine sentence, but like it really was amazing, amazing. We would meet in the library in rooms. We had not booked and we're not supposed to be in. And we would just pitch shitty ideas at each other and then gussie them up until they were until they were funny. They were it was so much fun. What what's what's the most fun you've had in a room with other people without your clothes? I had sex once and that was really delightful. Oh, wow. I've heard that's great. So you guys went to NYU. Yes. You majored in screenwriting. Film production. Film production. Yeah. And Alex, you were an English. I was an English Literature major. English Literature. I mispronounced the word literature. Better major. And hockey, better major. You were supposed to play hockey for NYU. I never played a shift of hockey for NYU. Did we have a hockey team? We had a club hockey team that was better than you'd think. But I think it's very bad. It's bad. It's not much better than that. They were the shrieking violets. Every NYU sports team is called the Violets. Something rather bad. That's not true anymore. Right now it's called the Bobcats. Oh, the Bobcats. Because they named it after our library categorizing system, Boap's Categorizing Entity. So now it's called the Bobcats. So Mr. Edelman. Yes, sir. You're a Jew. Unfortunately. And you played hockey in high school. I played hockey. Yeah, I've grown in Boston. And they're... There's such a thing as a Jewish hockey player. There's such a thing as a Jew in Boston who admitted it. I played hockey for the juicest reason. Which is that when I was a kid, I had a vicious instep. And instead of wearing braces on my legs, my father decided that ice hockey and rollerblading would be better for me. And so you must have been good at hockey, if you got... Because NYU was interested from what I read. Right. Well, you know, David played football for the juicest reason possible, which was to get the quarterback. It's great to hear a racist, lobby-tappy joke rendered in person by a Mick. Yeah. Well, I'm half Jewish, so technically I'm allowed. I know that, because you've gotten an unreasonable amount of mileage out of that. How would I did in Astoria? You did bend down and pick up a fucking nickel on the corner. If you said penny, I'd be like, but when I used to say nickel, I was like, is it a shiny nickel? Come in, talk about what's the pizzeria? Joe's pizza. Oh, that's a fantastic... Which one? Was it the one on Carmine or the one... Come in. The new one in Williamsburg. Come in and tell the story about Joe's pizza. Is the Joe's pizza on 14th Street, or is it in Williamsburg? Or the one on West 4th and 6th? Yeah, Carmine and 6th. Then the new one. This is Alex. This is Williamsburg. The boss is here. Hang on, Alex Brazell's the boss, so we all have to behave. Yeah, so we went to Joe's three weeks ago, after you did Gotham, right? Yeah. Or Beauty Bar, one of those shows. One of those things. And we see a penny. No, it was a quarter. It was a penny. It was a quarter. I remember it was a penny. It was one of those old pennies too. Jesus, listen to my grandparents. What a country. It was a penny. It was a quarter. It was like a punchline for an old Jewish show. All right, anyway, so... Liam just did one. Did you miss it? Why did the Jew play football? Because he wanted to get the quarter back. So David goes to pick it up, and his attention was diverted, I believe, right? You got sidetracked. And then we walk out and you go, oh my god, I forgot to pick up that penny. No. Yep, I swear to God. That's the worst. And then we come back two weeks later, and the penny's there. And he goes and picks it up. I swear to God. It can't get much worse than that. That's the worst. See, but if I had said that as a joke, Alex would have been offended, because it's not anti-Semitic. I'm not anti-Semitic. That is... All the stereotypes are true. Oh my god. All right. That's a plot from a 1930s cartoon strip in Berlin. From... Yes, that's right. I did a show in Boston. I did a weekend in Boston. What's this transition? No, no, listen, I had like a long beard. It would look very rabbinical. I looked like Tevye and like Fielder on the Roof. Okay, yeah, there you go. And so I was just standing one morning watching a movie shoot, and someone threw a handful of change in me. And I really like... How much change? Well, that's the thing. It was about 37 cents. So I was torn because I kind of wanted to pick it up, but it was more because I was broke than I really love like picking up change on this side. Well, let me ask you a question about this. Because I've discussed this with my children. Do you think Doe Gates picks up change? I do. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you guys this question. Do you think it's immoral? Because I think it's immoral to be walking down the street and to see a penny and not stop to pick it up. I think it's arrogant. I think it's lazy. And I think it's saying to the universe, it's saying to the universe, I don't recognize luck. Grandpa, the Great Depression is over. I don't know that the universe cares much, whether I think it's immoral to pick it up if you're in a poor area, let the people who really need to pick it up. I think Bill Gates does pick up change, but strictly to donate to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Like I think you must, if you're picking up change, it should be for those less fortunate than you. I actually think picking up change is something you do when you have more money. Because I think people who have more money generally recognize the value of it. Whereas I think someone who doesn't have as much money is the one who's likely to be like, that's a dime. That's absolutely poor shit. No, no, I agree with that. I agree with that. It's people who don't know how to manage money. It's people, yeah. That's why more Jews do it, because more Jews have money. Because they control it. But money, let's ask Alex Edelman this question, because you're a Boston Jew, so you had to live with racists. Well, didn't people make fun of you for being Jewish? Yeah, of course. Mostly because I played hockey with and worked without the Red Sox and were fucking just terrible teenagers on the street. But yeah, people made fun of me for being Jewish. But it never, I mean, it was obvious. It's like someone's saying to me, you're irritating. I'm like, yeah, I know. Okay, so, dude, what will you pick up? Will you pick up a dime? If you're walking down the street? Believe it or not, I don't worry about people's public perception when it comes to picking up change. Would you stop and pick up? Would you, if you saw a dime on the street, would you pick it up? It depends what I would. It depends what. What was that noise? Somebody's phone. Is it mine? Wouldn't it have been mine? Maybe someone accidentally activated Siri? Okay, so would you stop and pick up a dime? Depends. Would you pick up a quarter? Yes, always. A dime? Probably, I didn't pick one up yesterday. You remember, but you remember seeing it. I remember seeing a dime in Jews pizza. You remember the dime? Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, no, I was just gonna say, I don't think I would pick up the change, not because I'm not a terribly greedy person. I just terrified of germs all the time. Yes. That's my problem. My problem is I'm in terrible shape. So like bending down to pick up change is like an investment. Like... We have to bend your knees. Well, that's David's workout regimen. His Alex Brazell puts quarters under him. Just a little out of reach. I think paradoxically, I'm more inclined to pick up a nickel than I am a dime. Because it's heavier and you're getting a better workout, it looks like something to say. Yeah, yeah, of course. No, no, but I will pick up anything a dime or over. Absolutely. But a nickel, not probably penny. I actually won't pick it up if it's tail-side-up. It's an unlucky penny. Oh, fuck you. Is that really... I've never heard that before. Is that the line you draw in the sand, Alex? It's just not a... There's been too much detail in this theoretical situation with Jeff Bush's killing Hitler as a baby and now this new... Did you not hear about this today? Jeff Bush killed Hitler as a baby? No, no, that might win him the election, but... I don't even know if that would. Hey, I killed Hitler as a baby. I think we'd... What is this game? I don't know what this is. Oh, do you know what I'm talking about, Gabe? Yeah, no, I know this story. Gabe is deceptively politically knowledgeable. Deceptively. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, you definitely don't look like... That's the nicest way to say, Hey, Gabe, you look like a big fucking idiot. Wait a second, you can't say... Jeff Bush killed Hitler as a baby without... You got to stay on top of that. No, he wouldn't kill Hitler. Well, yeah, okay. So he was asked the response is great. So there was like a week or two ago, I believe it was the time, the New York Times did like a poll for its readers, like, would you kill Hitler as a baby? And then somebody asked Jeff Bush this recently, or it was in... I don't remember the exact circumstances around that. He might have been in Reply All, his book of emails to voters. There's generally a book called Reply All. No, I know, but was this in his book? I think it was in Reply All, yeah. Okay, so he was asked, would you kill Hitler as a baby? And his response was, hell yeah, direct quote. Hell yeah, someone's got to stand up and do it. Yeah, finally, someone killing babies. Yeah, as long... By the way, he didn't add it, but as long as Hitler wasn't a fetus. Right. He wouldn't kill Hitler as a fetus because that baby has a right to life. Once it's born and becomes Hitler, once it's growing into its first tiny mustache. Okay, it's a little liberal. So if you see me killing a baby, just assume I'm a time traveler and don't fuck with me. If you could kill Hitler as a baby, how would you do it? Why don't we just start with a timeout? Work from there. Isn't there a way to send in a Jewish orphanage or something like that? I feel like there's steps before murder. I have a long joke that's going in the next special. It's the next special. It's going in the only special I'll ever do about killing Hitler when people say they're going to kill Hitler, which is a premise that I've heard before from a lot of comedians. But the idea is that you're going to have luck. You, my black roommate from the Bronx, is going to show up in Berlin in the 30s wearing Nike high-top speaking only English. You can be like, there, we know where I could find Hitler. But the killing Hitler premise is like, well, if Jeb Bush kills Hitler, then Barbara Bush never meets George Bush senior in his fighter pilot World War II role. So it's all part of that. So Jeb Bush is never born. Actually, they were dating before he was a fighter pilot. Is that true? Yep. Oh, OK. By the way. I guess that undoes my logic. Mike Kaplan had the best, I mean, I'm sure your joke is going to be the best, but the best joke I've heard. The best joke's Mike's. No, no, the best joke I've heard up until this podcast about killing Hitler, which is just like basically it's all about like these Jews who say they're going to, they want to go back in time and kill Hitler. And what if it turns out that there is time travel technology perfected in the future? And it's just all these Jews going back in time trying to kill Hitler that makes Hitler hate the Jews. We did a sketch. You go back. We did it. We did a sketch on the show with Eddie Pepitone and Jim Merrill. Oh, he's so funny. Where I time travel to kill Hitler. Well, the idea was, first of all, I had I invented a time machine and the way the time machine worked is you didn't set it by the year. You set it by the milk and the price. Right, so fine. That was so I was trying to find the idea was if you go back, this was 2011, you can find it. I don't remember what the episode title is, but the idea was I'm going to be a Jew who buys one of Hitler's watercolors. And if I so if I bought if I was an obnoxious Jew who bought Hitler's watercolors, then he would no longer hate the Jews. So we had a we kept missing Austria by price of milk. So we finally, you know, we said a billion rights marks. Yes. So Eddie goes, OK, there he is, David. There's Adolf Hitler, a young Adolf. Go buy his watercolor. And I go, excuse me, young man, how much for this lovely watercolor? And he goes, 50,000 Deutsch marks. And I go, 50, are you kidding me? This piece of shit isn't worth even going back. You have to see the Jews. No, I'm not paying 50,000. You're fucking going. That's so fine. I have to find I should. Peppertone is hilarious. Genius. He was my muse for many years. He is. I did a week of shows with him in Amsterdam. In Holland. In Holland. And it was hot, hot, hot. And he was there with his wife. And I was living in an apartment. I was there with Eddie and Karen living in an apartment with them. You lived with Peppertone in an apartment for an entire week. Wow. And it was. Heaven. Well, there was no air conditioning. So Eddie was in a state. Right. But they he loved Amsterdam. He was doing it as like a job. And people were like coming out like Hans Taven came to see us because like he heard of everyone had heard of Peppertone. Who's Hans Taven? Oh. Do you know Hans Taven? I don't know Hans Taven. Hans Taven is a Dutch surrealist who's like, Bo Burnham says he's his biggest influence on him. He was a surrealist painter? Surreal comedian. Ah, OK. And he does this thing like he'll have a sock, eat a Mars bar and he'll, it's impossible, impossible to explain. But he he he goes on stage in bombs in front of stadiums filled with people. Like that's the kind of comedian he is. He's incredibly, incredibly gifted and talented. That sounds fun. Five stars. I can't do it justice. I can't I can't explain possibly what he does. But he was really good friends with Theo van Gogh. The guy who got killed. Yes. And so now he's sort of become the symbol of free speech and he's become weirdly a little bit right wing. But he's, but you would be a little bit right wing maybe if your best friend was Theo van Gogh. And does anybody do a Cosby impersonation? I need somebody to say Theo van Gogh. Theo van Gogh was the was he a cartoonist or filmmaker? Filmmaker who made a movie with Hirsali about about her leaving Islam. And it was like a big it was a big free speech thing. But the Dutch are like a real free speech conscious society. Liam, you're a little bit of a hot statement. Was he Theo van Gogh? Was he related to Theo Huckstable? Only only through their their first names. But they are really he is related to van. He was related to Van Gogh. Yes, he was. He was a he was a great great grandson or something like that. Van Gogh. Yeah, I didn't realize how how how disturbed Van Gogh was until until I read Patton Oswald's book. He's also the cousin by the way. I don't know if you know this to Theo Carr stop. Van Gogh. Yeah. Carr stop. That is so stupid. That's such a gay real ass joke. I loved that. That's the kind of joke we're getting. Yes, that's a very, very gay joke. Did you go to the stars? Did you go to the Van Gogh Museum? I did go to the Van Gogh Museum. It's Van Gogh, by the way. There's some funny. OK, shut the fuck up. No, no, I did it at Dutch Lady for a while and she really hampered it. Is it Van Gogh? It's Van Gogh, yeah. Yeah, they they I went to Anne Franks as she wasn't there. I found that very rude. You should have looked in the attic. I can't believe the Nazis couldn't find it. There were signs all over town pointed into the place. Who does that fit? Not just me. It's just me being a fucking shitty American comedian in Amsterdam. That's pretty fun. That's a great joke. It's a great joke. But you delivered it like it was hacky. It is hacky. It's hacky. Imagine if you were if you were Dutch, you had to hear a joke about bicycles every time an American comedian came to town. That and the Anne Frank House. I'm sure a hundred percent that the most comedians who come through there say something about bicycles, because the amount of bicycles you think are in Amsterdam. There's three or four times as much as just like mostly bicycles. I when I played Amsterdam, I did a joke about putting my finger inside a woman who had a lot of cats. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Go let everyone suss it out. Oh, that's just so bad. I apologize. I prefer a finger and Van Dyke joke. But that might be too esoteric as I believe more Amsterdam did that. So doing a one hour special for the BBC. Have you tested the material in front of these people? I mean, how do you know the jokes are going to work in front of Londoners? Well, it's a 58 minute special. So I'll do 75 minutes and hope for the best. But and then there'll be a 30 minute special that'll air. I mean, there are language differences for example, in England, cigarettes are called men who like other men. Yes. Yes. Yes. So if you light one up, it's a real scandal. Yeah, it's very difficult because sometimes I'll say, I'm in the mood for a man who likes another man. Right. And they'll hand me a cigarette. And you'll be like, I just want to put a man who likes another man in my mouth. And they get really like weird. The weirdest thing, I think the weirdest barrier between the States and England is in England, an Alex Edelman show is called a comedy show. I don't know if it doesn't quite translate. I don't get it. Will someone explain the joke to me? Let's just say if they offer you... Oh yeah, okay, it was a burn. It was a really good burn. Oh, I get it. If they offer you an eight thousand pounds, be very careful. Because it's more money than American dollars. No, I meant because they're fucking you in the ass. Literally pounds, pounds, pounding. Okay. The look on David Feldman's face right now is so condescending. No, don't wait. So you and Gabe worked together. We worked together. You have worked together on the Triumph show. Yes, yes we did. Which I thought very funny. I love that show. I didn't know you worked on that. Yeah, yeah, it was a good show. It's very Gabe... Can we... What was your favorite of the sketches that we wrote? What was the favorite one? Oh, you and I wrote back in the day? Yeah. Alex and I wrote a sketch called KIA with Andrew, Kasey, Tony and Rob. That turned out really funny where the whole idea was... It was like as the spy agency that would have like the spy kids and the agent Cody Banks and like all those sorts of movies. And the whole thing was like their meeting to go over spy business. And their spy business was just like all the kid spies are dying immediately. Because they're not trained in their children. And like the CIA director was like, we need to cut the kid's spy initiative. And Gabe's character stood up. He's like, no, we will not. That was right, Rob played that. Oh, Rob played that. He's fighting really hard to keep like this initiative in the... Like as part of the CIA agenda. And it's someone... It might be you who's playing recordings. Or you might have been the recordings of like the kids... Like last words before they're killed. Like, maybe if I tell you all my government secrets, you'll spare my life. I remember the whole justification was like... He was like, kids are perfect for spies because they can fit in vents. Well, we're almost coming to the end. This is what's going to happen, Liam McEnany. Oh, boy. A year from now, you and I are still going to be here. We're going to... We will still be here. We'll still be here. But your producer, Alex Brazel of the show Bristudios, is going to be saying things like... Hey, Liam, can you email Alex Edelman for me? He won't get in touch with me. Yeah, that's the point I was going to make. The Gabe and Alex are going to... I'm going to be saying I had Alex Edelman on my show. Right. And people are going to be like, oh, Alex Edelman. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Okay, I'll do your show. So we better take advantage of this now while we still have them. That is A, not true. And B, I think I'm not even the... I'm probably not even the third or fourth. I'm the least funny guy here. Like, I know... That's why I think you're going to make it. When people are like, Edelman? Yeah, you're just mediocre enough to rise in comedy. You jaded fucking piece of shit. But Gabe... When people ask me who the funniest person I know is... And I get asked. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I do say... I do say Gary Gullman. But... He's funny. Gary is really funny. But I do say Gabe. Gabe is like... There's a really funny clip of Carl Reiner on Carson. And they ask him who the funniest person he's ever met is. And he says my friend's... My son's friend, Albert Einstein. Because it was still Albert Einstein at that point. But yeah, Gabe is like... Gabe... I just hope Gabe remembers me when he's... When he's... Interesting enough about Gabe. Gabe's real last name is Bohr. Gabe Bohr? No, I was talking about Niels Bohr. Like Albert Einstein. Well, I feel better without that joke. I just fucking bombed with... But Gabe... Gabe... Anyway... No, no, no, we... Keep going with this joke. I don't... I almost got it. I was pointing out... We almost got to what was funny about it. Keep explaining that. Okay, so Einstein and then I thought of Niels Bohr. Right. Who is? Had something to do with hard water. So you don't even know what he did. It was something to do with New Year's. You just know that that's a name of someone who did science at some point. With Niels Bohr. With Einstein. Right. But it was not famous like Einstein was. No. So I was kind of intimidating you into laughing to see... Niels Bohr... Niels Bohr. So I didn't even get it right. But I did correct you on George Bush and his wife. And I thought that made you feel less than. It did. It did. Don't worry. Pretty much everything I do makes me feel less than. So let me ask you a couple of questions. This is what's going to happen. You know what my gut tells me? What? That I'm about to shart. No. My gut tells me that. Wait, did I get... Are you laughing at that, Alex? Yeah. That's terrible. My gut tells me I'm about to shart. My gut tells me. Alex, don't worry. The people stopped listening 15 minutes ago. 15 minutes ago jumped the shart. Now, the point I'm making is Alex Edelman is here and Gabe Lacks is here. Gabe is going to come back because I sense loyalty from Gabe. Right. I don't sense loyalty from Alex. I'm feeling like... I'll come back whenever you have me on the town. No, no, no. He's not going to come back. Alex is going to send this as soon as it drops to Mark Marin and be like, see, I have an interesting story. I can be good on a podcast. Hang on for a second. Seriously, right? This guy is going to be in six months. 12 months. 12 months? 12 months. Huge, right? He's going to be very big, not huge. He's not going to be like Louis C.K., but he'll be big enough that he'll blow you off for sure. Yeah. So let's make good use of this time. He's already at the comedy cellar most nights. I'm this guy. Not. I've never performed there. I've seen your name on their line-ups, haven't I? That would be news to me. Oh, wow. I'm sorry. I thought I saw you were performing there. When did you start doing comedy? 2005. 2005. So let me, and I'm not a psychic, but would I be correct in saying that you've been doing standard comedy for 10 years? About nine, yeah. That's pretty good. I mean, he's no Neil Bors, but he's pretty good at adding up years. Is it Neil's Bore? Oh. Okay. Okay. So you started, and where did you start? I want to get this because you're not coming back. I am coming back. No, you're not. I'll be on next week if you'll have me. No, no, no. You're going to the BBC. Do you want me the first week of December? You're not coming back. Can I get booked again on the podcast? Actually, I'm having Wayne Federman on next week if you want to be on my podcast. I would. I'd fucking love to have. I'd love to be on. Yeah, I'd better do that before I forget. Wayne Federman. Alex, could you write that down? No, he's not even listening to this. Alex is talking to you. Alex, for fuck's sake. Alex, could you write down, uh, make sure Alex Edelman is on the Wayne Federman episode? What day is that? It's either Monday or Tuesday. Sure. Yeah, yeah. I'm not too, I'm not too, too good for anything. Who, who the fuck makes Canadians? I'm not saying you're good. No, I'm not too proud of my, like, I've never, I've never, uh, I still do open mics. So you have two hours in the show. Yes, I do. And what do you talk about? Because I've never seen you. Are you any good? I'm fine, I'm adequate. This is like somebody talking to Woody Allen. Yeah. Like, if you're listening, if you're listening, come see my show at Union Hall. And see how disrespectful I'm being. No, it's not, you're not thinking, because, I mean, these are all valid. I haven't seen, I haven't seen. By the way, Feldman will not be at Union Hall. So don't worry, there's no way he's going to go. Don't expect anyone to happen. Tell what you said at the apartment show the other night. What's that? Oh, uh, I, what did I say that, uh, the best act I saw was, uh, Feldman acting like he enjoyed performance poetry. Which I really... Who was the performance poet? It was some great... Some kids, couple kids. Do you know Freeze Frame? What's Freeze Frame? Do you know Kate Tempest? She's amazing. Sorry. What? Who? What? Just some woman, whatever. And I should have come in with a poet name. Do you have a CD out? Do you know Tasty Freeze? Oh. And did you start in Boston? I started in Boston. I was giving a thumbs up. I started in Boston. Yeah, in Boston. Gabe's quiet. I'm telling him my life story. Sorry, sorry. Let's get Gabe and I having our conversation. You guys talk. We're hanging out. Left channel is Edelman and Feldman. Right channel is Liam and Gabe. Listen, this is the guy who's going to be in a position to give me work. So I'm talking to him now. What are you talking about? That is very true. Like, I'm not going to take calls. No, but I think Gabe is going to outlast you in terms of power. I would absolutely agree with that. Gabe's going to dive in overdose. No, no, no. You're going to be famous. Too much B12 and it'll be, uh, I'm not going to be famous. You know what it is? He'll be really famous for a while and then he'll like still be like famous but it'll be like one of those things where he's always in LA and he's doing all the clubs and he's on TV shows but it won't be like it was the first five years that he was famous. What are you talking about? First of all, why are you? It's a Dane Cook thing, you know? Yeah, Dane's. But people will get sick of him. Because they're really rough life, I'm sure. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to ask you a question. In terms of groupies. What? Stand up. I have a girlfriend, so. Yeah, but before the girlfriend. Yeah. What was the shortest distance? Is she going with you to London? What? The shortest distance between two points? From the time you said good night to hello. I'm sure, I ask comics this, I'm always curious, the shortest distance between good night everybody to hello. I can honestly say that I've been that. Four years. You should have heard him. Is that the way it is with Jenny? That might be, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we make it work, right? Do a show within four years later. From the time I said good night to the time I said hello. Well, first of all. By the way, you should have heard Cosby's answers. You should have heard Cosby's answers. No, I just. Hello, hello. Welcome to the podcast. I'll need a receipt for tags, purposes. That's what I say when I hear orgasm. You know the problem is. I've never slept with anyone who, I've never slept with quote unquote groupie. I've met them, but I've never, I've never slept with one. You, you, Lea McEnany. I'm going to give you some advice. Because I also don't pick up a penny I see on the sidewalk. Feldman, I'm going to give you some advice here because I've seen you not get laid after you do a good set. Like you will hang out in the audience and watch the whole show, or you'll hang out with me or Brazell or something like that. But you're not hanging out talking to every woman as they walk out of the audience and like try your luck with every woman. Well, I don't do that. Well, then there you go. That's why you're not getting. But tell me the highlight of your career, Lea McEnany. The highlight of my career. In terms of women. As a womanizer. Yeah. Well, I did get laid once. It was very brief. Didn't you have like an amazing string of. I had a run. I had a run. And you know, but that was also when I was on television, you know. And so that just eliminates a lot of stuff. Are you on Bunk or something like that? Best week ever. I was on Bunk. I was on Becker and that was huge in the 18 to 25 female demo. I was on Best Week Ever. And what was the shortest distance between two points? What was the quickest from the time you met her to the time you were going, don't let the door hit you? Your ideas of women and how. No, I'm just curious. I did once. You know. Hey sweetheart, don't let the door hit you. I know I asked. The problem is that it's taking some turns. No, I mean. Don't let your inferior posterior be in the front. His album is called Left Money on the Dresser or something like that. Left Without Paying. Yes, Left Without Paying. I have that album. I have too many counting albums. You did buy my album. Yes, I did. Did you listen to it? Yes, I did. It's very good. What did you think of it? It's very good. That's what I saw. That's what I told you when I met you. I was like, you're the Left Without Paying guy. And you're like, yeah. All right. Well, Alex Edelman. This will be the last time he's on my show because he's going off to England to tape a special for the BBC entitled Alex Edelman, Live from the BBC. If you would like to see Alex Edelman perform, you should go to Union Hall on the 14th for his one-man show entitled Everything Handed to You. And Union Hall is where? It's in Brooklyn. And Brooklyn is where? In Park Slope. It's in New York City. In New York City, yeah. And if you can't make that, I'll be at Bowery Barroom with the indie band San Fermin on December 18th. Now, can I ask you a question? Is that the same hour you're doing for the BBC? The one I'm doing at Union Hall? Yes, with bits probably thrown in. Okay. A few bits thrown out and taken out. And Gay Blacks, Forever Dog is the name of your sketch comedy group. Yes. And where can we see Forever Dog? Forever Dog, next you can see us do this, we're doing this like 12-part play at the People's Improv Theater called Volcano Town. And the last two installments are the last Saturday of the month, November and December. What is the sweatiest you ever saw me come into the office when we were working together? What is the most disgusting, how sweaty would I get? David, I signed many nondisclosure forms while working at the Jack and Triumph show. I can make a guess. After someone dropped the contents of a coin meter on the hallway. It was like, you know, in the shining when the blood gets off the elevator. I want to see the beginning of Cool Hand Luke when Paul Newman is heading out there and watch Dave watch it as a single tear rolls down his cheek. I can remember, I remember one summer literally drenched. I just come from the gym, just sprang sweat. Well, this is how my favorite year started, too. It must have been very grotesque. How many times did David show up on time to work? That's the real question, I signed many nondisclosure forms. Do you know I had a job? What's Triumph like? What's Triumph like? I had a job. Very nice in person. Ooh, Gabe, relax. I can't do it. I can't. No one, no one except Smiger can. There was a job that I had where they agreed to let me come in at one in the afternoon. And I was still two hours late. No, why? What was the job? I don't want to talk about it. I signed many nondisclosure agreements. I have a problem being on time. I don't, I don't have that problem, luckily. I just... You shut up late to this. No, I just don't have a problem with it. Liam McEnany will be taping his live CD. Where are you doing this? The Bell House. You can go to thebellhouseny.com to buy tickets. It's like $8 in advance or $10 at the door. And where is the Bell House? That's in beautiful sunny Gowanus, Brooklyn. And it's right off the F and the G lines. Okay, and your podcast is called... Tell Your Friends History's greatest podcast. You can go to tyfpodcast.com. We just dropped a new episode with Frank Conniff, Kevin Marr, and Catherine Popper, where we just ranked top three of our favorites of different categories. And it's really, really funny. It leads off with Kevin. Anyway, listen to what I'm talking about. Hey, Alex Edelman. It was nice meeting you. It was nice knowing you. Thank you so much for having me on. Best of luck on your failed sitcom that you're going to get next year on NBC. We'll see you later. Thank you. Thank you, Alex. This is the David Feldman Radio Network. Coming up, director Holly Morris. Please friend me on Facebook. Follow me on Twitter. Check out our premium content. Then get it for free by becoming a monthly subscriber. We accept all major credit cards. Give us a good review on iTunes. We're coming up on the anniversary of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster, considered the worst nuclear disaster in history. Worse than Hiroshima, worse than Fukushima. To this day, Chernobyl soil remains contaminated. It should be a ghost town. And yet it's not. Some residents stayed behind, mostly women. They refused to evacuate, deciding that they'd rather die on their radioactive land than inside a tiny apartment hundreds of miles away. Holly Morris has returned to Chernobyl several times to interview these survivors. She is the director of the Babushkas of Chernobyl. We spoke earlier today. Where is Chernobyl? Chernobyl is in Ukraine. The accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant happened in 1986, April of 1986. In what was then the Soviet Union, of course. And now Chernobyl is part of Kiev, right? Wasn't that... Well, Kiev is the largest city nearby, but it is in... Chernobyl is in Ukraine. The Chernobyl nuclear power plant is now in Ukraine. The accident, of course, contaminated not only Ukraine, but Belarus and parts of Russia. So it was... It was... Several countries were affected by the accident, including Europe, of course. The radiation was found in the milk throughout Europe. Absolutely. In fact, the accident, kind of an interesting note is... Of course, it was Soviet times. There was a lot of secrecy then. And when the accident happened at the plant, it wasn't the world was kind of told right away. And in fact, it was found out by the Swedish nuclear power plant, whose alarms started going off. And they thought they had a problem at their plant. And they, you know, quickly figured out that wasn't the case and looked toward Chernobyl. The Chernobyl nuclear power plant was controlled not by Ukraine, which was part of the Soviet Union, but by Russia. It was controlled at the time of the accident by the Soviet Union, yes. So the, I guess, I don't know exactly where Gorbachev was, though. Right, in the Kremlin. And many people say that Chernobyl contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union. You're right. Many people feel that the Chernobyl accident contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union. I mean, I think that it was a very secretive time. And it was an accident of such magnitude and importance that it ultimately could not be kept a secret. So it sort of, some people believe it, you know, put cracks into the Soviet secret empire and they had to open up to the West and other areas to deal with it. How bad was Chernobyl? Compare it to Hiroshima, compare it to Fukushima. Well, scientists pretty much across the board feel that it is still the world's worst nuclear accident, much worse than Fukushima. In terms of Hiroshima, that was a nuclear bomb. And when Chernobyl happened, there were lots of comparisons made to that. I mean, Chernobyl, to give you, I guess, that one statistic released 400 times as much radiation as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. And the other thing about Hiroshima is that was a bomb that you could sort of draw a circle around where the contamination happened, right? There was a center. The Chernobyl accident was a nuclear fire that lasted 10, 11 days. So that contamination was spewing, you know, for 10, 11 days all around the area and the world. So it wasn't like you could draw a circle around and go, this is our contaminated zone. So it was a really sort of different aftermath. As I understand it, Chernobyl's the land around it. There's a 1,000 square mile exclusion zone where nobody is allowed. You say that Ukraine's four other nuclear power plants are disposing their spent fuel inside that zone to this day. It's a highly toxic place to live. And yet these women, not men, have stayed behind and continue to live there. Why have the women stayed behind and not the men? Well, what happened in the weeks and months after the accident in 86 was, well, there was a mass evacuation. So people were, hundreds of thousands of people were forcibly evacuated. But not everybody accepted that fate. Many people started sneaking back, sometimes under the dark of night, to their ancestral lands inside the zone. And sometimes they were relocated again and sometimes they snuck back again. But the upshot is within a couple months of the accident, some 1,200 people returned to their villages inside the exclusion zone. And it wasn't just women. It was men and women and elderly. As long as you were basically over 50, there were no young people that went home and were able to stay there. But what they considered older people and people significantly beyond childbearing age, eventually they turned a blind eye to those folks and thought, well, you know what? They're going to die, but they're going to die happy. And so let's just kind of let them stay on their home land. Were they given iodine? Were they given medical treatment? Were there doctors there? Well, there were. Yeah. I mean, I think there was a lot of chaos in the aftermath of the accident and a lot of remediation happening and a lot of confusion. I mean, there was a secrecy of the Soviet times, but also just frankly chaos and confusion as the massive scale without a mass accident, a massive scale without precedent. And so I think a lot of, there was a combination of, there was some corruption and some chaos and a lot of suffering. And there was a remediation going on. I mean, many of the villages were buried. You know, the first line of attack is to just bury things that are radioactive. And so obviously the people whose villages were buried, there's nobody there. And, you know, forests, entire forests were plowed under and villages evacuated. And then there were efforts to create an exclusion zone to figure out where the worst of the contamination was and get people off of that. Were government officials living in the exclusion zone? I mean, how were they, when these women were living there, who was patrolling the area? Did you have Russian soldiers in hazmat suits? Did you have running water? Coming back in the 80s? Yeah. Coming back in the 80s. Yes. There were a huge number of people that are referred to as liquidators. They were the first responders after the accident and the many, many people, including, you know, Russian soldiers and Ukrainians of course, and that were essentially conscripted to work the accident. And so they were the ones in charge. I mean, in my film, the Babushka of Chernobyl, there's, you know, one of the characters in the film was a man who was one of those people who was, you know, trying to stop people from coming in and then eventually kind of just said, okay, we'll let the old people stay. So, yes, so there were many people there and there still are many people. And this coming spring is the 30th anniversary of the accident. And there are, I think, a few thousand people still required to maintain the exclusion zone and to patrol the border, to try to build the new cap on the sarcophagus, the sort of covering over reactor number four, which is an ongoing hazard global threat. How radioactive is it? And are the people who are rebuilding the sarcophagus, are they given supplies, are they given clothes to wear that prevents them from becoming poisoned? Well, I'm not an expert on the management of the building of what they're called the new safe confinement, the new sarcophagus. I will tell you that when I was there, most recently, no, people aren't in, has message, I mean, but what they do do is everybody who goes into the zone, whether you're a worker, a journalist, or whatever, you are screened for radiation on your way out, you go through. Well, you've been going there since 2010. What do you, what do you wear? Well, I try to do, it's not, I, my belief after doing my research was, it's not so much what I wear, it's how you approach it. In other words, for example, it's limiting your time in the zone and trying to stay in remediated areas and not eating any food that's locally grown. Those and, and, you know, dusty day, windy days that blow up radioactive dust, you know, you wanna avoid those. And, you know, the zone workers who are there quite often, they go in for shifts. They work in the zone for two weeks and then they're out again and then they're in again. So it's a rotation like that. So there's a lot of debate about how dangerous it is to spend time there. Did you travel with a Geiger counter? Absolutely. When you're inside the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, you need to have a Geiger counter with you at all times. Do these women have, do these women have Geiger counters? The ones who stay? No, no, the, the babushkas, the women who live inside the zone are pretty much ignoring all the quote unquote rules, right? They are, they are farming, they're subsistence living for the most part. Okay, so radiation, we're trained, and rightfully so, to believe that nuclear power is dangerous and an atomic bomb will kill us all. What is their life expectancy? Are they dying off? Are we seeing weird animals? Are we seeing misshapen vegetables? No, I think those are myths. We're not seeing, you know, any radioactive zombies inside the zone. I mean, certainly there are, you know, genetic mutations and whatnot, but they're on the animals that scientists have found, but they're on the level of like, okay, so this kind of offspring, this kind of bird used to have, you know, five babies and now it's having two babies, or this kind of insect seems to have lost one of its wings or something. You know, so they're on a level which is not as dramatic as I think you sometimes hear about. So, but to back up, you know, I think that radiation, I want to say, is hugely dangerous and the Chernobyl accident was a massive tragedy that, you know, there are varying estimates, but, you know, the World Health Organization may say ultimately there's 4,000 deaths related to the Chernobyl accident, but other organizations like Greenpeace contend it's more in the tens of thousands. And so the story about the women who live inside the zone now is not, I mean, the takeaway is not, oh, radiation isn't so bad, but more that relocation trauma, which is what they're, you know, the people who accepted relocation experienced can be worse than the ill effects of staying on their homeland. And another sort of important thing. And do we see, excuse me, do we see the people who were relocated, where they end up and how they were treated? The film does have a set of characters who were relocated, a group of women, and their village was buried, so they never returned home. But for the most part, it focuses on a trio of characters who did return home and have lived inside the cruising zone for almost 30 years. Now, an important thing to mention is that animals, and I'm including humans here, who are contaminated at a younger age are at much greater risk, right? So when older, you know, when the, I don't know if you saw that in the film, there's a group of young boys called stalkers who sneak into the zone, and there's the characters, the older women. And it's much really more dangerous for younger people, and that's why there's no children even allowed in Chernobyl or ever to return, because radiation has a greater impact on younger creatures. So the women who are in the zone, part of the reason that, for their survival, I think, besides the palliative powers of self-determination and happiness, which I think are very real, but part of it is that they were older when they were contaminated. And the other thing to say, as many of them, many of the women I met in my reporting for the article, and the film have had cancers and had ill effects of radiation. But you know, it's kind of a complicated recipe in terms of had they been accepted relocation and been put in high rises in the outskirts of Kiev where they're separated from the graves of their parents and everything they love, like relocated people everywhere. They suffer from unemployment, depression, anxiety, disrupted social networks. Well, that's what's so great about this film, because the government, the ruling class, dictates what the trauma is. For example, we're supposed to be worried about 9-11 more than we're supposed to be worried about the 35,000 people who die each year from gun violence. We're told what is more traumatic, what we should fear the most. You tell us that radiation is not as traumatic. Radiation poisoning is not as deadly as evacuation, that it's more dangerous to leave the site of a nuclear disaster than it is to take on the radiation. Yeah, I mean, it's complicated, because I certainly wouldn't make that blanket statement. I mean, I think that... Well, the numbers seem to suggest that. Of the women, you mean? Well, the plight of the people who left their homeland. To get away from the radiation. Fair worse, in many ways, than the people who stay behind. Now, for example, in the villages where the community of women live, the contamination there is not as bad as it is, for example, right at the site of nuclear action number four, or in the Red Forest, certain areas inside the exclusion zone. So part of it is that because of that spotty nature of the contamination caused by it being a fire and not a single explosion, meant that one village might be quite contaminated, another might not be. There might be contamination well outside the zone, which is true. So it becomes hard to sort of pin down exactly the danger and the reasons for ill health, really, because what we're saying is, certainly they're caused by radioactive contaminants for many, many people, certainly younger people, but in some cases, yeah, relocation trauma can be just as devastating to one's health, especially if you're older when it's much more traumatic. Depression and anxiety are just as dangerous as radiation poisoning. Well, it depends how much radiation. Let's put it that way, but I agree with your... I agree with your point. I mean, people being told to cram into a high-rise apartment, putting five, 10 people into one little cubicle, that can't be healthy for people. It's not healthy, and especially if you grew up in the forest and working the land with the graves of your ancestors all around you, and you have a different connection to home. I mean, I'm someone and like many Americans, I've moved 10, 15, 20 times in my life. I have a deeper connection to my laptop than any piece of soil, but for the Babushkas, home is their entire cosmos, and to be pulled from it was not something they were going to accept, some of them, right? And I believe there's a great connection between happiness and health and self-determination and health and happiness, and so these factors kind of play into the story of the women in the zone. So yes, it's the science and it's radiation, and it's just lots of suffering, but it's also living a self-determined life and the potential palliative powers of that. A self-determined life, in other words, you control your day, you're responsible for your own existence. What do these women need? They basically had their bare essentials. What were their bare essentials besides food? Well, community, you know, I mean, I think a lot of the thing that's been interesting over the last 30 years is, well, now their numbers have quite, you know, are quite reduced. Well, I think less than probably hovering around 100 people left inside the zone now. You know, when they went back, there were 1,200 people. So there were many people that were in their villages, so they still were in the place they grew up with the people they grew up with. Now, every people, radiation or not, have been dying off, and the women who remain in the zone today have already far outlived the Ukrainian lifespan. I mean, most of them are in their 80s. So it is very... It doesn't seem post-apocalyptic. I mean, they do seem happy. They do seem, as you say, in a community, they're not living such desperate lives as Americans would think they would be, right? Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, that is one of the messages that the sort of... The film works on two levels. Well, on one hand, you're seeing this beautiful place. I mean, the zone itself has returned to wild. It's gorgeous, you know, and there's wild animals, and there's the gardens are growing lushly. And, you know, on one hand, it looks like this beautiful place. On the other hand, it's quite contaminated. And also, I will say that, you know, the Ukrainian... The women are getting more and more isolated and left alone and without a connection to medical help or one another, really, because of course, there's very little infrastructure in the zone. There's no... They don't drive or anything like that. So, I mean, on one hand, I don't want to romanticize their lives because I think there's a lot of suffering and difficulty for them and pain, but I also know that I don't believe any of them would trade it. I mean, they do not want to leave their motherland and... How many times have you gone back there? I think I've grew four or five times. The film took place over three different shoots, and then I was there writing a... I was there for... I did a program called Globe Trekker on PBS, and also I worked along print piece on the phenomenon. What draws you there? I mean, again, you know, as an American, I think, well, that's a tragedy. These people need to be helped, but I'm not... I'm embarrassed to tell you this. I'm not going to go over there because I'm a coward. What was it that drew you there? Well, for me, I just felt compelled by their stories. I mean, these are... This community of women is, you know, has been really marginalized and overlooked, and they are, have had spectacular lives. I mean, spectacular and extraordinary. I mean, they lived through Stalin's famines of the 1930s, the whole of the Mora, and they lived through Nazi atrocities, and then they, you know, a couple decades later, Chernobyl happened, and they were not going to flee in the face of an enemy that was invisible. And, you know, I just felt like they... There's a sense of urgency ever since 2010 when I first went there because they are disappearing quickly. I mean, at that time, there were 230 residents in the zone, and the latest number I've been hearing is about 100 or less. That really is interesting. That really is interesting, these women, because they had to confront the Nazis on their march to Stalingrad and Moscow. They had to also confront the fact that Stalin was as big a mass murderer as Hitler, and specifically the Kuliyaks, right? The Ukraine at the time. He starved more Ukrainians than Hitler killed Jews. So these... Yeah, they have seen massive amounts of tragedy and been relocated for many reasons, but even before Chernobyl. And some of them were shipped to Germany as forced labor during World War II. So, so honestly, you sort of like the subjective nature of risk really comes into play. The horrors of the 20th century were visited upon these people. A lot of the horrors of the 20th century, most of them were visited on these people. What did you take away in terms of survival? What did these women have that allowed them to endure such horror? I think the self-determination and the grit that it took to return to their home despite the warnings of officials and common sense and everything else, I think that characteristic helps anyone thrive. I'm not saying it can destroy the radiation, but I think it's important. And I think humor, there is quite a bit of humor in the film. And I think that is a global phenomenon of humor in the face of suffering and tragedy. There's something in that and community, I think is again, something we are hearing about more and more about how it impacts our health and our happiness. And I believe that played out in Spades and Chernobyl. Wow, wow. Well, Holly Morris is the director of the Babushkas of Chernobyl. Go to babushkasofchernobyl.com for more information. If you're living in New York City on November 18, 2015, Holly will be presenting her movie at Doc NYC. What are the times? November 18 at 9.15 p.m. and November 19 at 3.15 p.m. at IFC. At IFC, people should definitely come out and support Doc NYC, IFC, and all the work that Holly Morris does, especially her new movie, The Babushkas of Chernobyl, babushkasofchernobyl.com. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to be with us, Holly. Thank you so much. Great to speak with you. That's our program. Please friend me on Facebook, follow me on Twitter, give us a good review on iTunes, do all your Amazon shopping via the David Feldman show website, and check out our premium content and how you can get it all for free by becoming a monthly subscriber for as little as $5 a month. We accept all major credit cards. From the show Briss Studios in downtown Manhattan, I'm David Feldman. That'll do it for us.