 But it's another to think that yours is the only path Quick we call the roll please 15 present And Alderman Lewandowski is excused called in today. Things are going good. You should be looking forward to joining us again very soon So we wish him well Pledge of Allegiance Alderman Kaath lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Provo of the minutes of the previous meeting Alderman Hammond Mr. Mayor I make a motion to approve the minutes of the last council meeting second And move them seconded to approve the minutes of the last council meeting. Is there any discussion or changes? Here he none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried resignations any attorney Thank You mayor mayor received a resignation from Mark Miller advising that Because he's his wife moving out to the town of Shboygan. He needs to resign from the redevelopment authority for effective 10 3 2012 Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor. I make a motion to accept the resignation Second to move second to accept him the resignation so any discussion Clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried your appointments tonight. Nothing public forum First on the list this evening would be John doleson. Could you please come up to the front John? I need your home address? Home address 409 New York Avenue Good evening mayor. Good evening council What I'm talking about tonight is the historic fish shanty and the upcoming agenda item 2.10 And my goal is to save the shanty and it just came to my attention This evening that the ownership of this shanty was taken over by the city in the late 60s with the intent of preserving it With that I don't know who has seen these these are available in the Mead library and other people on the historic Preservation Commission have these it is the city of Shboygan architectural and historical intensive survey report performed by LGM architects in conjunction with the Wisconsin Historical Society The purpose of this report Is not a written definitive history of the city of Shboygan, but rather to provide general historical information about the city It goes on to say it may be used to help determine the eligibility of resources for listings on the National Register of Historic Places To establish historic districts and to identify areas for economic redevelopment through historic preservation and To increase public awareness of the history and architecture of Shboygan Addressed it focused approximately 109 structures with the potential for listing on the National Register of Historic Places Let's see site Pacific research was completed for most of the resources deemed eligible for listing on the National Register Six potential historic districts were also identified district maps and all they're inside these documents And this was 2002 2004 that first booklet was 2002 This is the 2002 2004 booklet Where it gets into specifics and I encourage everyone to Take a view not just for the fish aunties, but for all the historic buildings In Shboygan it entails I think it's 1200 approximately properties and in chapter 6 under industries the fishing industry has approximately a page and a half of Recognition in the book meaning it's significant And of that being more significant and specific There's a paragraph for fish shanties a combination of the remaining Shanties and new shanties are located along the North Bank of the Shboygan River from 631 to 819 Riverfront Drive and currently house shops and restaurants Intermingled with historically appropriate commercial fishing company bait shop The buildings are simple front gabled one and two-story structures with wood clap or siding Because the fish shanty village is locally significant industry and it is the only historic resource associated with Shboygan's fishing industry the original shanties located at 701 705 715 733 and 819 Riverfront Drive are potentially eligible for the National Register of Historic Places all of this Kind of validates why the city took ownership of the building And I think all of us more than just this building Down on the riverfront back in the 60s And to be to have available properties on the south pier which is a great addition to the city what with available Properties That are there ready to be built on it just doesn't make sense to raise a piece of our history In closing I am for smart development I am for development development that preserves the character of Shboygan's historic waterfront Development that is attractive to residents and visitors who come here for our unique riverfront Many city riverfronts that I visited up and down both sides of Lake Michigan have lost their authenticity Let's not follow their lead Please save the shanty Thank you Next on the list would be Jean Kittleson Jean, can you give me your home address please 1716 Illinois Avenue in Shboygan And you will have five minutes ma'am. Thank you. Thank you so much. Good evening mayor and counsel So nice to see all of you here this evening I thank you for the opportunity to come and speak to you this evening about an event That's coming up in just three short weeks. That's Saturday October 20th And this event is very near and dear to my heart It came I need to tell you this came about as a collaboration of our city's wellness committee That was four years ago. It started our city's wellness committee the wellness committee of the county and the school district as well We got together and wanted to put on a fun event for all of our employees and their families and friends and We as a way to promote health wellness and fitness and thus the pink brigade March for all cancer Education awareness and prevention began. This is a two-mile 5k Fun run walk run of 5k. I believe is 3.1 miles and again. It's Saturday October 20th And it starts at seven o'clock in the morning seven to ten anybody you can come at any time and walk the mass The group start will be at nine o'clock, and it's down at the Shabuigan County YMCA I wanted to come before you this evening to let you know that if you register by October 6 There's a discount on t-shirts and entry into the biggest brigade award. However You can come and register the day of the event as well We encourage all of you to to come and especially our city employees and all their family and friends Most welcome. You can register that morning as well I need to let you know that all proceeds from this event will be going to the Shabuigan County Cancer Care Fund And that's an organization that helps our friends and neighbors right here In Shabuigan County the money stays right here in our own backyard. So that's also a good thing as well So I'd encourage you please mark your calendars for Saturday October 20th Come on down to the YMCA. They're gonna meet some really great people the pink brigade ladies always are there with us Leading the leading the charge. They would put together some awesome raffle baskets for us every year They're just an amazing bunch of ladies And come and get your exercise. It's a good no way to start your day And also donate to a very worthwhile cause. So thank you very much One other thing I wanted to say to you as well We had bike and walk week with back June 9th through the 15th and that's always a challenge too with the county and the school district And I'm very pleased to say as you can see from the plaque on the wall The city won that challenge again this year as well. So I really want to thank all our Employees for participating in that one too. That's always a nice collaboration with the city and the county and the school district and Especially our girls in the finance department I can't I need to thank them because they're always promoting this event the bike and walk to work week as well So we look forward to doing that again next year too. So thank you very much. Thank you, Jean Next would be Mike brunette Mike. Can I get your home address, please? 1925 so 26th street 26 All right I'm here to okay Thanks everybody who's here and everybody who can't find a remote and happens to be watching this and it's like I'm here to talk about Same thing John Dawson was and it's basically saving the shanny and it's like it might not seem like much But for any town you only have so much history and in Sheboygan you're hard-pressed to find anything It's either covered in vinyl aluminum or it's gone and in Sheboygan. We're a fishing town We come from the water where the people of the perch the are what you eat. We are perch It's been eon since the bratwurst were roaming the fields. I have never seen one in my life relegated to the museums of the county and right now with we still have a Few random perch floating around and you can still buy them, but it's like There it's big part of our history and that shanty is a big part of that history I can't think of many other things. There's a few fishing boats and it's Kind of cool when you go into a town and you see real stuff museums are fun And we're a tourist town from what I hear and it's like you go to towns you want stuff That's cool. You want stuff that wow that's real like if you walked in you saw a real dinosaur You'd be pretty impressed you ain't gonna happen, but it's like you take kid to a museum He sees a plastic dinosaur. He's like well. I got one of them at home, and it's like here. We have a real Functioning I mean it isn't functioning, but it could be made into whatever you want. It's the bones of it It's in pretty good shape. I wouldn't look at them I'm not a structural engineer, but I can't tell the difference really between that and the other buildings other than that What's in it of the old buildings and I'd like to introduce you some friends of mine who are for the most part Long-gone, but they're shaboy nights. They're Cecil to be tweaked and the normal guys This is from the 70s and it's like and you get the idea, but they're singing back then Our history, you know I feel the same way about it and it's like and right now That building is our pyramid if you can think of something else that represents shaboy again show it And it might not be the biggest most beautiful thing But it's what we got and it's like and I think we should go for it at least give it a chance There's plenty of other space and as a matter of fact There's a building two doors down that's from for sale right now Which means somebody's looking to turn it over and I don't really understand We're there and where somebody's incentive is to buy that if they can all of a sudden just out of the blue say Let's knock this building down and I'll build what I want right there. Who wouldn't rather do that It's like it's I think it's probably it's probably a better deal and it's like maybe I'm wrong but That's pretty much All I have to say on the matter and I hope that it at least gets to the point I know you can vote it and it'll be ripping through right now But I'd like to see it at least get some discussion like John said It's eligible for the National Register of Historic Places and sure you said a lot of buildings, but that one really is And it's like that's all I got Thanks, and last on the list would be alderman-wongman. I'll take a little bit different podium tonight How can I follow that act? I mean Can we get your home address, please? Oh 12 23 South 23rd Street as You come into Sheboygan. There's a sign out in the highway It says come and see historic downtown Sheboygan. I'm still looking for it. Does anybody know where it is if you do Please let me know Back in 1836. We were founded as a village. We had 12 buildings here The first industry in Sheboygan was a fishing industry The first product shipped out of Sheboygan were barrels of smokefish that were sent to Chicago So the fishing industry has a real foundation in Sheboygan I've got a couple old friends who are fishermen and They're very dismayed about the fact that we would even consider tearing it down There was a time in our country's past where we were going to junk old iron sides USS Constitution And a great ballad was written about it would save the ship But can you imagine today destroying the Constitution what that would have meant to our city or to our country? If you'd like me to make a list of all the buildings downtown that were torn down I Would take quite a while and they'd be a very long long list We have some beautiful buildings downtown that we tore down and made parking lots Which is nice, but now we don't have any cars to put in the parking lots Our riverfront was supposed to represent the marine heritage of our city and our city had a very deep marine heritage Years ago if you wanted a sunbond a sunbond at a fire truck or a steam engine It came by ship if you wanted to go somewhere you went by ship, but we've lost that Take a walk down the main street of Mandad walk, which happens to be a street as well Take a look at Sheboygan Falls plunith these cities have been preserved, but we didn't see that here We had the beautiful old Bank of Sheboygan over here that had the tallest Georgian marble columns in the state of Wisconsin, and you know where they are today they're down on the lakefront as landfill buried in the sand The inside was covered with pink marble beautiful murals, which fortunately were saved and are now on exhibit in Meade Public Library But our city has been destroyed if you look at 8th Street. I Love the library But the library is a go-to place that could have been built anywhere We tore down a whole square block of buildings to build a library. Can you imagine what that took off the tax rolls? But this it's a process in Sheboygan. We had the Grand Old Festy Hotel downtown right across the street from Fountain Park Can you imagine if that building was still standing there and and it was refurbished? So now we're looking at these old board Chandy's gray But it's the last remnant we have of our fishing industry and as John Dolson said It's time. We have to protect this stuff Because it is Sheboygan now. They said we could Probably put office space in there and possibly living space well I can go across the other side of the river and I'll show you a whole bunch of more there that are empty right now You could move in them tomorrow and the owners would be grateful But I think that side of the river should be preserved because once it's gone It's gone our kids are going to grow up and never know what the heck Sheboygan look like in 1986 the council appointed me at my request City historian and it's kind of an official position. I don't have a salary. I don't have a budget I don't have an office, but I do have very flexible hours and I Get an opportunity to go out and talk to people in fact I was out at Kohler today talking to a group of senior citizens out there Tomorrow, there's a busload of people coming in from Minnesota I'm going to conduct them around town and show them some of our historic spots Well, it's going to be a short trip because we don't have much to show them really so we have this down there the lake the riverfront should be preserved as a Maritime a part of our maritime heritage and you know, we can build office spaces anywhere you want I can take you a block away from here and show you an office building. That's been empty since it was built So I can't see that there's a pressing need for more office space but these these buildings must be Preserved or at least the one must be preserved to show our children that maybe we really cared There's little bits of history all over the city There's a brick street between superior Avenue in Michigan Avenue north 12th Street You may not be aware of it But there was a document that I put through that preserved that street for all time to remain as a brick street But it's just these small bits and pieces that we can save here and there But Sheboygan has really lost it It's a it's a tragedy when you look downtown and see what's been what's been removed for Parking lots and we have lots of parking lots Thank you Move on to the consent agenda number two one through two 23 all of them in Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor I make a motion to accept and file all our always accept and adopt all our seas and pass all resolutions and ordinances It's been moving seconded to pass and file all our O's pass Accept and adopt all our seas general ordinances and ordinances Under discussion Alderman Raceland. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Mayor. It has to pull to 10 It moved and seconded to pull to 10 from the consent agenda. We'll talk about to 10 first all the race Thank You, mr. Mayor. I again would support saving the shanty. I agree with all the speakers and I Think we have to preserve our heritage Alderman born Thank You mayor Could somebody answer the question then if we vote to save the shanty down there Who's gonna be in charge of renovating and I know when this came before public works a few months ago the estimates from some local contractors Were about seven was about seventy thousand dollars. I believe if my memory serves me correct, so The condition of the building right now is not great So if we vote to save it what's gonna what are gonna be the steps? And who's gonna pay for the restoration if somebody can answer that Alderman Hammond I Don't have an answer for you Alderman born. I got the same emails everybody else did that there's an anonymous Person that Might be out there Right now we have a development on on the slate Keep in mind this document to isn't authorizing any type of Development down there. It's simply Deeding it over to the redevelopment authority So and Steve can maybe speak to the legal ease of this a little bit better than I can but basically deeding it over to the redevelopment authority So that they can negotiate a ground lease and stuff like that So this isn't even to the development stage yet the ground lease hasn't been negotiated Which of course this body has to approve if I'm not mistaken attorney McLean So we're quite a ways from any development. This is just trying to clean it up and get it into the RDA's hands Turner McLean any comment? Just if the plan is to redevelop the property Really the redevelopment authority the city has jurisdiction over redevelopment projects. So that's that's why the document is here to Proposed to convey the property from the city to the redevelopment authority Redevelopment purposes Steve then the redevelopment authority while while there is a developer on hand they would have the ability to Look at anybody's proposal at that time for development and whether it be saving the shanty and developing as is or Demolishing it in a new development both those things would have to go to redevelopment They would yes, they'd go to redevelopment as well as the council would have to approve the terms and conditions of any Redevelopment agreement Project would be Thank You mr. I guess I'm just looking at a little bit more time We can always bring it back up at another meeting if we give the historical society and and John some people some time to To work on this before it goes into redevelopment. I guess I'm just looking for a little bit more time Any other discussion Alderman born Thanks again, mayor. What would be of the appropriate vote then for saving at the vote no on this? 2.10. Yes Yes, I guess that's a matter of opinion. Thank you all the racelor says yes, and all the man Hammond shaking his head saying I'm not sure woman Alderman Thank You mayor I Would like to see if we could buy some time as well and see if we could save the the shanty I do realize that there's an opportunity cost here, and we do have an existing development for that facility It's my understanding that the next RDA meeting is October 18th. Is that correct? Can somebody confirm that yes? Could we hold this document until that time and give? mr. Dolson and his client time to Come up with plans architectural drawings and remedies to get the building up to where it needs to be At least till the 18th. I Sure, we can do that. I'm not sure what document they'd be talking about on the 18th if we don't send them something But I'm sure they could I see the Chairman here. I'm sure they could add that to their agenda. That's the wishes of the council Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor again. I can't emphasize enough. This isn't approving the development This is just Doing it over to redevelopment authority. It's attorney McLean mentioned the council still has to approve any ground leases any type of development Agreements and that's where again we would have the time to be able to make sure we can get it vetted I too would not have a problem with seeing this thing stay where it's at You know and I would encourage mr. Dolson and and his anonymous Developer to submit something to the redevelopment authority as soon as possible so we can get moving on that but again This is just simply transferring the property into the redevelopment authority Any future development on that would still have to be approved by this body and would provide us Plample ample time to be able to vet it and also again. Hopefully mr. Dolson and his developer Can get their documents in the redevelopment authority as well So I would encourage you to vote yes get this over so we can keep the process moving on Donahue my question relates to the plans of The redevelopment authority is there a timeline? I know that the chair is here of the redevelopment authority And my question would be is there some urgency on the part of the RDA to? Tear the building down Why are we transferring it right now or wanting to transfer it right now and what if any? Ill effect would there be just to keep it in the city ownership at this point? I guess that's my question just a procedural one. I believe the reason it's right now is that the lease from the current People are up and we didn't renew the lease So that the lease that we we had in the past is no longer valid. So now the decision would be to If we're going to develop this as the city attorney said the proper place for the any development discussions is Redevelopment authority. I don't think it would just be my follow-up question would in fact the preservation of the building and the development of Either it's preservation or or the highest and best used be better done within the context of the RDA as opposed to the city And that's that's my question if If there is nothing imminent from the redevelopment authority to tear the building down, but rather There would be a forum for people who are rightly concerned about the preservation of the building to more effectively work with the RDA Why wouldn't we execute the quit claim deed with the thought that eventually we have some some control over what happens? Ultimately as I'm understanding it. So I mean, that's my question. I I just don't know the answer and I would be Ms. Flicky Paneski is here. Maybe she might give us you want to move to open the floor to thank you I would do that. Okay. It's been moved seconded to open the floor for the chairman of the Redevelopment authority all those All those in favor signify by saying aye Opposed motion carried For the record you just want to give your address Robert and Roberta Flicky Paneski, I live at 28 North Point Drive And the chairman of and I chair the redevelopment authority This came before the redevelopment authority on September 6th and we did have a letter of intent to develop that property Staff gave us the background told us what had transpired both in the historic preservation committee this has been in process since January 10th and The tenant was notified In May to vacate the property the city and the tenant of that building vacated in August and We acted upon it in September. It was shortly and I spoke with mr. Dolson just before the meeting I Came home from that September 6th meeting and in my email sent that day Was a note from mr. Dolson? knowing that I've forwarded that observation to Staff and Requested that it be entered upon the next redevelopment agenda even though we had acted upon it the redevelopment authorities saw the note Thought about what we had discussed in the previous meeting voted to file that note I am I am understanding that There would be some sense to making this lower Reconsidering we do have a developer who has stated That if the city doesn't want to move ahead he can do other things in other places also So you don't want to let developers hang too long But it is also important and it's not that we're destroying the heritage We're just concerned the building's going to fall down. Okay, so I think there wouldn't be any problem to Maintaining it until the October 18th meeting regrettably. I will not be in the country for that one But the authority will meet on the 18th I think as miss John who said I Think eventually the property needs to be transferred to the redevelopment authority because we are the people who develop downtown in the Riverfront Any other questions any other questions? Thank you. Any other questions on to 10 Yeah, we would need a motion now to accept and adopt the report a committee and pass the resolution which would then authorize the quick claim deed So moved to move the second to accept and adopt the resolution Which in case would? Quick deed the property to the redevelopment authority under any any other discussion All in Bellinger hey, thank you mayor if we Vote no on this if the majority votes no what then happens is it? With this quick claim deed or quit claim deed All in Bellinger in my opinion its status quo it's if The council I guess would be indicating the way I would read it would would not be interested in having the property redeveloped and obviously then would be interested in doing something else with it and I Guess it would sit until somebody came up with some proposal as to what to do with it So so nothing happens if we could revisit it after the 18th sure okay Any other questions or discussion? Very none clerk will call the roll Six eyes nine nose Motion fails Now on the rest of consent agenda to one through 223 Excluding 210 we already have the motion any other discussion Very none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries three one will lie over Three two through three thirteen will be referred for when resolution Authorizing entering an amendment for the third modification of the project agreement for designing dredging with Sheboygan River area of Concerned Alderman Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I'd ask for a suspension of the rules, please second It's been moved and seconded to suspend the rules There any discussion on suspension will be voting on suspension first 15 eyes to suspend Motion carried all of them in Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to pass the resolution It's been moved and seconded to Pass the resolution so any discussion Very none clerk will call the roll Motion carries for For two will lie over for three through four seven will be referred reports committee 5-1 Report by a law and licensing recommending taxi cab drivers license number 96 72 be denied Alderman Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moved and seconded the RC be accepted and adopted is Rachel least here tonight She's not here. We did invite her to two meetings and she did not show up to either of them So any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries 5-2 reported committee from law and licensing recommending that taxi cab driver license 9675 be denied Alderman van de Willing. Thank you. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted Alderman van de Willing. Is Eugenia Garrison here this evening? She's not here. She again also did not show up for either meeting that we invited her to Any other discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll motion carried 5-3 From law and licensing recommending that taxi driver license number 76 81 be denied Alderman van de Willing Move the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted Alderman van de Willing. Is Matthew Fogel here He's not here again. We invited him twice and he did not show up any further discussion Clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried 5-4 by law and licensing recommending denying taxi driver license 70 9674 Alderman van de Willing. Thank you. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted Alderman van de Willing. Is Nicholas Daley here He is not here same thing. He did not show up for either meeting any further discussion Clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried 55 an RC from long license recommended denying beverage opera license operators license number 9676 Alderman van de Willing. Thank you. I'm with the RC be accepted and adopted So it's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion is Hannah Gustafson here this evening She's not here. We voted three to one to deny the license due to some pending charges for possession of THC Any further discussion Clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Carries 5-6 by report a committee from law and licensing recommended denying beverage operator license 9671 Alderman van de Willing. Thank you. I asked that this be referred back to committee Second Been moved and seconded that this RC be referred back to the committee Call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried 5-7 law and license report from law and licensing recommend the taxi drivers operators license number 7678 Be denied Alderman van de Willing. I think I moved the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion. It's Kia Vang here this evening Same thing was not at either meaning that we invited him to any other discussion clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried 5-8 report a committee from law and licensing recommending granting taxi drivers license number 9684 contingent upon the applicant being corrected with her warning to include all violations of future applicant Alderman van de Willing Thank you. I'm with the RC be accepted and license granted It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted and license be granted under discussion Clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries 5-8 RC from law and licensing recommending I'm sorry 5-9 RC by law and licensing making no recommendation on the beverage license operators license 8945 Alderman van de Willing No recommendation with the motion be for that motion would We either need right so we would need the motion from the floor to either grant her tonight. I'm in van de Willing Hold them in cough. Sorry. I move to deny Second It's been moved and seconded to deny the Operators license 8945 under discussion Little background on this This is for Aaron Vrikey. She was before the council back in July after our committee had voted to deny her license Then the council also did it voted to deny after she spoke to us She had gotten her license in 2011 and a short time later. I believe like a month or two later. She was She got in trouble for underage Drinking and had a fake ID when she entered a local bar so She already had her license and now this came before us again And we you know quite a few the people on the committee had a problem with the fact that she had done something to that extent with her Just having gotten her license. However, the committee this last time could not make a decision We were two and two for the entire vote no matter what we tried to vote on so that's why it's back here with a no recommendation Any other discussion I would advise the motion is to deny the license on beverage operators licenses if you deny You need to indicate the reason for the denial so perhaps all of them could Indicate what the basis for the denial would be in the event that the council voted that way Thank You mayor van Ekren Aaron Vriek was before this council July 16th, and we voted The vote was 96 to deny she came before a law license again two months later and We had Lead back in July 10th law and license voted to deny and At this time at law and license it was a tie vote to voted one changed their mind actually so it's two to two So she was actually here July 16th. We voted 96 to deny again just to reiterate Why would we change our mind and and the denial is based on her record violations or her current record and violations that is correct Record of violations police chief would like to Speak chief Good evening. I'd just like it to be known that the police department objects to the issuance of this license To fill in the background a little bit more. She was granted a license with a warning in February of 2011 In March of 2011 She was arrested for loitering and underage consumption in a local tavern at which time she was in possession of a false ID When she was questioned about the false ID by the police officer She lied to them and said that that's who she was and it was the only ID that that she had Her real ID was found on her. She was warned for obstructing On July of 18th of 2011 she was cited for underage consumption after an investigation Regarding other activities in the city At September 11th of 2011 she was cited for underage consumption at Kohler Andre State Park Then on July 2012 she was denied in front of the committee and then in July She was denied by this council of a license I think that based on that activity. She has strongly demonstrated that at this point in her life She lacks the maturity and judgment To have this privilege and I think this is something that you should take very seriously Thank you. Okay. The motion is to deny is the Applicant here this evening since we're denying the claim Is Aaron Aaron Rookie here this evening? Thank you. So the motion is to deny the License based on a record and via violations related to the license activity Clark will call the roll 14 eyes one no Motion carries 510 from law and licensing recommend denying taxi driver's license 96 91 all them in van Think I move the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moving seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted all them in van is Kathleen fields here this evening She's not here the vote was 4 to 0 to deny her license based on Her record of there was a recent OWI any further discussion Clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Oh, she carried 511 from finance recommending establishing monthly proving Equivalent rates for medical benefits Alderman Razeler Thank You. Mr. Mayor based on some of the information that's come to light. I'd asked it to be forwarded back to finance committee It's been moved and seconded to refer this document back to finance Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I Understand Well, we'll go there, but I'm gonna not support this going back to finance I know many of you saw the email that the mayor had sent out today and unfortunately couldn't have been further from accurate On the advice of our legal on an advice of our broker and which I talked to later on this evening they and emphatically Do not Think we should be lowering our health insurance rates and so I'm looking at a survey right here from Milliman incorporated for those in the employee benefits world this is kind of the Bible that sets health insurance rates and they Looked at our health plan and said our rates should be seven hundred and seventy six dollars a month for single 1824 dollars for a family plan right now. We're at seven thirty seven and seventeen thirty one respectively with no chance with no Inclination to raise that we wanted to keep those rates the same Lowering the health insurance rates talking with the broker and other professionals in the industry One of the things that other municipalities have done is lowered their health insurance rates Because they had one good claims year and we had a pretty decent claims year so far this year Now we have three months left who knows what's gonna happen But we had a pretty good claims year up to this point only to find out that they come back claims come back to the norm And now we got to raise rates even higher in Future years and I can't support that The ability to stabilize our rates and keep them like they are now is good for our employees And again from our professional the people we hire to advise us to mill them in Every one of them have indicated Again that our rates are where they're at and they're good and they should not be lowered So why would we go ahead and do it send it back to finance just to have the conversation excuse me Just to have the conversation again and come out with the same result. So I'm not gonna support this I think we should pass it and Move on to other things. Thank you Alderman Carlson Thank you, mayor. I also will not support this because I tend to trust the experts on these matters and the Blantley, I think the email that was sent out earlier today from the mayor was inappropriate And it was excuse me. Alderman Carlson. You're supposed to address the chair not the audience Thank you. Thank you. Like I said, I think the email you sent out was inappropriate it was soon followed up by one of our experts our human resources manager and Alderman Hammond did speak of his conversation that happened after these so once again, I will not support these Any other discussion? I've been a partner in a small business and responsible for setting health insurance rates and the grizzly Grim process of talking to brokers finding out the rates being astonished at the costs the Limitations on services and so forth as hard as that is the second hardest part is talking to your employees about it People want some stability Reducing costs briefly for one year based on one claim here may feel good But then payback is really difficult the next year or the year after that when claims go really high Again, I think that stability for the city at this point should be one of our main one of the main criteria that we are looking at as we are making decisions now I Just segued to my email and I had actually looked at my email about one o'clock this afternoon thought I'm in good shape because I'm all caught up. I know what's going on Well, apparently not so this is all kind of a surprise for me I think that unless there's some truly compelling reason for Rejecting the finance committee's long hard considered Decision in this respect. We've spent a lot of time on this And I'm just not It's just not good to mess with your broker is is the is the bottom line I learned as a business owner, so I can't support the motion I think we just need to settle down and move forward and I think that we can do that and And just not add the drama and the churning to what's already a difficult process Thank you. Welcome at Hammond Thank you again. Mr. Mayor. I'd asked that our HR director Sandy Rourke Come forward and she was part of the meeting that happened today And then also has had many dealings obviously as our HR professional with our broker on this issue, so Thank you, Sandy. Thank you It is very easily to confuse numbers. There are so many numbers flying around This is something I do on a daily basis and I have gone through probably six to eight months worth of time with our broker So the numbers that we both interpreted it is understandable how it gets confused We take a look at a rolling 12 months So in July we took a look at our record from July 2012 back to July of 2011 And we were doing good 8% less than what we projected Then we go one month forward and we're at 6.4 percent less. So we're not trending in the right direction But it's still good the scary part is if you take a look at what's going to happen to us the rest of the Year we can't we can't know what's going to happen. We can't predict it we can't understand it and So the recommendation is to let's it's wait and see if you start taking a reduction at this point and all of a sudden You do get the claims then we're in a world of hurt So that's that was their recommendation Sandy at the meeting this morning that we both attended it was at noon today or 1130 ish till one ish That's why you didn't get the emails till afternoon because we didn't have the meeting till noon or one o'clock Part of the discussion was About the reserves and the options of the reserves The reserves if they're too high One of the options that was given to us was you could reduce the rates My incorrect. I think she said that we could reduce the reserve You you had asked if there was a four million dollar reserve. Could we reduce that? Right in that discussion. It was How could we do that and how could we move those things and one of the options would be to reduce the rates is from what I remember It is an option. It's not what they recommend And and in earlier they said where I got the 8% number of not being appropriate was from them saying They sent or gave us a number as of July that was around 13% I believe Something like that and then it was 8% currently that the rates were The way she said it minus 8% there was a minus 8% in July and then a minus 6.4 in August And there was a 13 somewhere too in there. I Don't know where the 13 was. Well, anyways Those were the options that were giving to us and that that's the only reason I sent the email was those are options and Those options can only explode be explored if we look into and do those things Any other questions of Sandy Alvin him of Sam correct Sandy in your years and H there is a Well, let me back up in the meeting The M3 broker indicated What was her stance on on lowering the rates? She does not recommend it based on the advice of their actuary And in your experience, you know working in the private sector, you know employees responses to a Lot of movements and in rates and premiums and those types of things they kind of like that or they'll prefer more stability I've never seen a lowered rate. So I don't know what that But I have seen a response when when the carrier comes at us with a 20 some percent increase and it's Pretty shocking Thank you Any other questions for Sandy? Thank you, Sandy Any other discussion? The motion then is to refer to finance Look all the roll Motion failed motion I'm Alderman Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage Second to move and seconded to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage. Is there any further discussions? Hearing none clerk will call the 13 eyes to nose Motion carries 1412 recommended by a committee report from finance recommending authorizing transfer appropriations into 2012 budget Hammond thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage So I got to move and seconded to accept and adopt the recommendation of the finance and Pass the resolution. Is there any other discussion? Clerk will call the roll motion carries 15 3 through 15 3 and 15 4 5 13 and 5 14 We'll lie over 6 1 ordinances Introduced 1 6 1 through 6 4 will be referred other matters turning between 7 1 is an RO by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2013 and June 30 2014 the law and license 7 2 is an RO by the city clerk submitting communication from Brian Johnson requesting a waiver from the sex offender residency Restrictions in order to live at 1917 North Fifth Street that will go to public protection and safety 73 is a resolution amending Resolution number 35 12-13 by all the person Heidemann passed on July 16 Authorizing the appropriate city officials execute a contract between the city and moss and associates In the amount of twenty four thousand four hundred and fifty dollars for the right-of-way acquisition for the Iser Avenue reconstruction project over 74 is an RO by the city clerk submitting the current job description of the chief administrative officer That will go to salary and grievance Elimin hamming. Thank you, mr. Mayor I moved to convene into closed session under the exemption provided in section 1985 one e Wisconsin statutes for the purpose of delivering the possible sale of public property where the competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session and For the purpose of discussion and formulation of negotiation strategies relative to the possible agreement for combining emergency dispatch services We're competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session Moves seconded to convene in closed session. We'll take a five-minute break and then we'll go into closed session Call the roll Jeremy 15 eyes We will not be coming back into open sessions Come back here