 Yeah, absolutely. I love poutine. A good poutine. I mean, I do too. The food. I do too, but it's just like gravy and french fries. Yeah, but it's good. We're talking about food because I can't really have any delicious food right now because I'm on an epic, epic diet until like at least March. Disgusting. And what, poutine? Yes. Have you never had poutine done it? It sounds absolutely terrible. It's delightful. Poutine is one of those foods that we need to figure out how to bring to space. I'm not from Minnesota. No, no, that's a Canadian thing, I believe. It is Canadian. I'm not from Canadian. You know, you really should try it. I think you would be pleasantly surprised because you got the salt. Yeah, it's good. It's really good. Yeah, there's just really good. I need low sodium diet. No, you don't. I do. I have high blood pressure. I'd leave low sodium diet. I know. It's me that gives you the high blood pressure. Welcome to tomorrow. My name is Jamie Higginbotham. I am joined by Ryan, who is just sitting there at two in the morning his time listening to us desperately trying to stay awake as well as Jared, who is always like this. Yeah. So there you go. And we've got a data in the control room. Hey. There you go. Howdy. And I actually basically came directly from launch and I expected, I did not expect to start on time today, but we scrubbed, which gave me an extra hour to get here. And so I had an extra like 30 minutes to get everything together. Well, you scrubbed because you're not wearing green. So I actually do know. So for those who don't know, I have a tradition in my control room at company X where you were never to wear red in the control room. And you may wear green. You should wear green like... Oh crap. Yeah, the door is not allowed in. Sorry, Dada. It turns out my technical director, we're like, who are red? And we were joking around. We're like, who are red? And everyone was like in black and there's a little bit of green in the control room. And we looked around and my technical director had a red belt on. I know I should have banished him from the control room at that moment. Yeah, we brought that clock down to like T minus eight minutes. And I was like, get the belt out. And now I have to go in on Saturday and on Sunday and Sunday is my birthday. So... Yeah, we'll have your early birthday. Thank you. Lighten a good candle for you. Thank you very much. I also, one other fun thing I was dealing with today that has nothing to do with the show, but I thought you might be interested, way back in the day, this is like Falcon 9 flight. You know, it was in between flight one and 10. Actually it would have been in between flight two and 10. I don't know where, but it was double digits. Oh, I suppose it could have been through up to 99, but it wasn't, it was like flight. I think it was single digit, like zero, or one to three, it was like seven, eight, nine. One of them flights. We had a old, I think he was a mission director, MD. He may have been, I don't remember what his role was, but he was in charge of basically operations and whatnot. And you know, you store all of your mission information, telemetry, video, everything else, whatever it may be in like a centralized folder so that you can get, so everyone can get back to it. And it's done based on flight number, right? So F9, you know, one, F9, two, F9, three, and he went no, no, no, no, no. These will be labeled F9, zero, zero, one, zero, zero, two, zero, zero, three. And he did this very, very early on. And we're like, you need to remember, this is like, this is like, I guess over 10 years ago at this point. And we're all sitting there going, why do you need three digits? Like Falcon one got to flight five, four, five, right? There's no three digits. You think you're gonna have 99 flights of Falcon? Here we are at like flight 100 and whoever knows. And it's really- I hope you know. No, no, we fly so often, I've stopped tracking, right? So I just kind of, at this point, I just kind of look up what the flight number was that is active right now and just drop all the stuff there and just kind of walk away. So I don't- So journalists are four. Exactly, that's what journalists are four. Also it's not, the flight number doesn't necessarily match. It's tricky, because you don't fly in order. Anyhow. Are you numbering things like shuttle in the mid-80s? Yeah, kind of. Yeah, wait a second. Because the numbering does not occur with the number that it flew at, it's the number of the mission, which is different than the number of the flight. So it does get a little bit, so you could have flight like 128, 141, 127, you know, I mean, it wouldn't be that far if it's on the spread, but you get the idea. Yeah, we had flight four rocket, or flight five rocket four. Yeah, yeah, stuff like that, exactly. So I just want to, I was making a mental note today of the foresight that he had 10 years ago to go, no, this will be the numbering structure, which means that when we got to flight 100, we didn't have to go back and redo a bunch of stuff because your sort order would get out of whack in windows, right? You sort by name, flight number 100 would show up like underneath flight 10. And so now it all shows up perfectly. It sorts whatever operating system you're on, it sorts perfectly. Doesn't matter what the date change was, you can always get to, I know. You can only say that for 860 more launches. Touche. Anyhow, weird, no one cares, I'm sure, like me being like folder structures, the internet locking off as we speak. All right, rather than- That's what you're excited about. That's what I'm excited about. How about you, Jared? Yeah, exactly. Where do I begin? How many more viewers, subscribers, can we lose today? Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's get it started. A little bit more. I'm pretty excited because I missed, past couple of shows, it's all right. You only missed one. Yeah, well, one and then vacation and other stuff. Anyways, I'm very excited because in the time since the last show, James Webb has finally arrived at where it needed to arrive out at the Earth Sun L2 point. So very excited about that and all the mirrors are adjusted to the positions that they need to be in and here we are. How long until we have first picture? Picture didn't happen. It's like five months. Why? Because you have to commission it. So you have to basically make sure- So what we had to do is throw a wine bottle from Earth. Yes. A big bottle of champagne. It's only on the way out. Sorry, not wine, it's champagne. I name you Betty White. I like that so much better. And yeah, we're now waiting for the bottle of champagne to hit the front of the sun shield. It's OK, we can tear a couple. We can tear a couple, it's OK. It's OK, don't worry. Or maybe we'll hit the aft flap. God, can you just imagine? And then the bottle exploded and put it off course. Well, you know what I was thinking is, it wouldn't even make it there, right? It would get in front of James Webb and then the heat from the sun would heat up the champagne, causing it to expand and the bottle would just explode sending shards of glass everywhere in every direction. You sent it into a smaller orbit around L2 than the telescope is. Oh my gosh. Anyways, so what? Can you hear that? That's a sound again of subscribers leaving. Yeah, well, sorry. What are you guys talking about? So, yeah, and then the champagne will freeze to the mirrors. Because then we can't service it. So this commissioning phase is basically making sure that every single thing on Webb is ready to go in chilling it down to the temperatures that it needs to be at. Because it's at 40 Kelvin. This is super freaking cold. And it actually takes a really long time to dump that heat overboard and get the instruments and the optics down to where they need to be. So I know it sounds like five months, so why are they taking so long for that? Well, it's this thing called physics. We kind of can't get around it. Well, maybe you can. At the moment, we can't get around it. So yeah, we have to kind of wait for it to get cold enough for that to happen. That's how long it takes to get the heat soak out of my intercooler. But I was about to say too. Loopy disagrees with you really quick. He says, the mirrors are not in their final imaging position. No, they're not. OK, you said earlier they were in their imaging, or they were in their moving. Did I say that they were in their final positions? You implied that they were like. I apologize. It did not mean to imply that they were in their final positions. So anyone who's already typing up their comments, shut up. No, no. Continue typing and leave them below. I'd love to hear them. Answer them. They do have to. They will be moving everything individually right now. They're very close, if you will, to where the mirrors need to be at. But there's obviously still some final adjustments and other things that need to occur with individual mirrors. They're kind of where they need to be. Yeah, they're on track, I guess, is how I would describe it. They're only mostly dead? Yeah, yeah. They're fine. So they're fine. They're clear. OK, how are you? So really it's in a good spot. Like the big critical points here, I assume, are stopping at L2 to apply in the breaks. Which it did. Which it did. It successfully did. If it fired its thrusters in order to do that. Making sure you can actually move the mirrors, whether or not they're in their final position, the fact that you can move them means that you can control them. So cool. Yes, so we're good to go. Now we need to cool the thing down before we activate the optics because the optics, it's infrared. It's infrared. The IR system needs to be one unit of freakishly cold. Yes. Or it doesn't need to be two units of freakishly cold. It's like two and a half. Two and a half units of freakishly cold. It's like eight units of freakishly cold. Yeah, so that's where we're at. So we're actually in a really great spot. So we have like three points of failure. Is single points of failure left? I think we're done, actually, with the single points of failure. Well, no, you still got a cool of a thing down. That's kind of a single point of failure there, Majer. How many mirrors are there? Let me rephrase that, which is something that I actually heard somebody who works on the telescope say, which is that all the single points of failure from here on out are the exact same kinds of single points of failure that you'd have on any other spacecraft anyhow. So they're no longer exclusive just to the telescope itself. They're run of the mill. Jared, I have to tell you that is the dumbest measurement of a failure point. That is not. I think I have ever heard. I did not come up with that. Back me up on this. That's a what aboutism. Yeah, yeah. That is no. I don't know. That is a what aboutism if I've ever heard one. No, that is not how you measure. No. I was not the person who came up with that concept. That hurts my brain. So I would not say something like that. And yet, here you are saying something just like that. I would not say something like that, OK? I personally would not say something like that. So because I'm repeating what the person who's working on the mission said, that's not what I think. So I mean. What do you think? I think that there are a multitude of things that could still go wrong, obviously. Ryan, you're sitting there silently. What do you think? Man. That's why you lose sleep. What's up? That's why you lose sleep. Yeah. I think that James Webb can still break because he obviously can. Like you can't just not break. Obviously. There's still something that could go wrong. I'm sure he doesn't know. But if it goes wrong, it's something that would have gone wrong on other spacecraft. And so that makes it OK, right, Jared? That does not make it OK. Oh, I guess I misunderstood. But it's just one of those things where it's not exclusive to James Webb. So Jared, I know you're excited about James Webb. Ryan, are you excited about James Webb? I want to see the pretty pictures. And that's it. They're not going to be in a spectrum that you can see, dude. I was going to say this. Infrared, right? I've been turned into something that I can see. I want to see the pretty pictures. Yeah, what are we expecting to get off of this? Because it is IR. So what are we expecting? Have you ever seen a night vision mode in a Nest Cam? Yeah, exactly. So are we going to colorize these things? What are we going to do? So I do not work on the mission. So I have no idea of their public affairs team. I'm going to pretend like you do. If I were doing it. You've spoken to somebody that works on it, so you're the closest out of all of us. You are now the representative. Where's my pictures? Where's the pictures? If I was working on it, I would do what they do with Hubble, which is that you're not really seeing true color of things. You're seeing false color in order to make sure you can actually catch detail of things there. That's because they took three pictures. So yes. So you take three different pictures, a multitude of filters, and throw them together, and you get your image. Also with Hubble, you have to realize that there was also an ultraviolet component for Hubble. A lot of people forget about that. There was also a near infrared. Near infrared component on Hubble as well. So with James Webb, one of the things that will, I think will be... That's known as infrapink. No, it's not. And if anyone would, no. So... You know what? I'm making it, that's the term now. It's infrapink. Infrapink. Yep, instead of red, it's infrapink. Okay, that's great. I would definitely love to see you say that at the American Astronomical Society. I got NASA to say, big and eight on coms, challenge accepted. Okay, okay. You know what? I may try to help slide that in and make that occur. I never got them to say in small and eight, though. I tried, I tried. I got in big and eight on coms. I never got in small and eight. Everybody's loving infrapink in the chat, and we should maybe make that the show's name. Why James Webb will see the universe in infrapink? Nuclear infrapink. Unfortunately, we lost our link to our chat room over here. So I keep looking for comments. I'm like, wow, they're really quiet. Yeah, yeah, womp, womp. Yeah, sorry, everybody. But what's great about infrared is that we are able to look through things like dust. So, oh, there you go, all of a sudden. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, the spirit. So we can actually look through dust. So when we look at like nebulae and things, that dust scatters the light, it blocks the light. It's very difficult for Hubble to actually look through gas and dust. James Webb could just cut right through it. So it's going back further in time than Hubble could. So it has that ability, too. I was gonna get to that, but sorry, Hammer. But the first one that's also a big one that people don't talk about very often is that ability to cut through dust and gas and look very precisely at things. But that's the problem with Hubble right now, right? Is it's basically getting stuck at a dust layer. Like it can't look back any further because there's that cloud. So as the universe expands, light goes towards the red end of the spectrum, which means that it also does eventually dip into the infrared and Hubble can't really see into the infrared. It can do near-infrared, so little redder than red, but not really far into deep-infrared, like James Webb is gonna be able to do. So like Inframagenta? Yeah, or Infrapink, with that, definitely. But with the telescope, it's gonna be able to push itself a lot further back. So we're talking maybe 100 million years more back with that, which is really great. In the grand scheme of the cosmos, though, how much more is that actually? Quite a bit. So Hubble could go back, if I recall correctly, the current record-setting object is something like 13 billion light-years. Oh, and we can go back another 100 billion? So another 100 million with that. So with Hubble, we're not quite at the first galaxies, I guess is how I would say it, the first things with that, but we are looking at like quasars and things that are early on in the universe. So basically, these things that are forming galaxies, they're very excited, they're running fast, they're living hot, they're not gonna die young, but they're basically like, I guess I would say the universe in its 20s, and it's like going a little too fast for everybody around it. And what's tough with Hubble is that these things are like pixels in size. And in astronomy, we're actually really good at pulling information out of a single pixel, but there's really only so much you can do when it's like six, seven pixels across. So you're not really gonna be able to work with that particularly well. But with something like James Webb, because it's bigger and it's gonna be a little more precise and it's gonna be in the infrared, we can actually narrow that down and get better resolution on it. And I actually saw somebody who did a simulated view of what they think a quasar like right at that limit of what Hubble can do should look like. So with Hubble, it's basically like 12, 15 pixels across. And you could see a little bit that there's like a disc there and all that, but you really can't see much. And then with James Webb, they think that you're gonna be able to like actually pull the disc out, get detail, a little bit of detail in the disc enough that it would actually tell us what's occurring and then maybe jets of material coming out of the middle of the disc, maybe being able to pull off something like that. So just looking at a time period which can tell us a lot about the early days of the universe that we don't really have a lot of information on at the moment. And that's important, because that tells us about us where we came from. And then also there's lots of different things that you can pull from that that we don't know that we can apply in the future at some point. So pretty amazing stuff it's gonna be able to do. In like five months. Yes, in like five months. Give it five months. You know, we've waited, how many years to get to this point? A lot. There are some people watching this show who are younger than James Webb when it was actually like approved for. Yes, if we actually want to go back to when James Webb was sort of thought up of, I'm only a year older than it. Cause that was back in 1989 when they first came up with the idea of we need to have a really big infrared telescope to follow up on Hubble. So even before Hubble was launched, they were already working on a follow up for it. Just as right now we're working on the next big telescope, which will probably launch 20 years from now. You know, like they're starting the process of getting that going. These things, because they're flagship missions, because we're pushing optics, which is something that requires an incredible amount of precision on the bleeding edge of physics. These things really do take a long time because of that simply because often we're doing things that nobody's, really nobody has actually ever done before. So. You've talked to James Webb for like quite a few shows in a row now. Yeah. Understandably. Is there a point where that kind of falls off a little bit? Yeah. I don't talk about Hubble that much. Once they're deep in the testing, you know, I think in a couple of weeks, they're gonna get really, they're gonna get quiet pretty soon. I would say within two to three weeks. And they're just not really gonna say much because they're gonna be reviewing the data and just looking at everything, adjusting each meal. All we need to move this mirror this much and move each mirror this much and all the other things like that. So, yeah. Dada, did you bring that up in program yet? I think that's a pretty good. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So, there you go. Thank you for that. Hubble at the bottom web at the top. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So, you go from like two-bit blocky to eight-bit blocky. Enhance. Yes, but what's so great is that, look in the two-bit block, can you see structure there? You really can't. You know that there's something there. You know, it's bright. You can't really make out structure. I mean, it's there. And then up in the eight-bit blocky, it's still eight-bit blocky indeed, but at the same time, look at that. We actually have structure here. So. You know, something in certain directions. We can figure out gravity. We can figure out magnetic fields. We can figure out radiation and pressures and other things like that. It's just ridiculous what we could do with web data. This was the resolution of photos that we used to have a Pluto. Mm-hmm. Or on your phone. So, yeah, my next question is, we're so used to those epic images like the pillars of creation from, I believe that was from Hubble, right? Like, you look at that and you're like, wow. Yeah. Fantastic. Can you pull that? Can you pull that? You know, seeing that as a kid at Griffith Observatory and their planetarium, that kind of blew my mind. Right. So, that's Hubble. Yes. Right? And you like, do you know that, Ryan, do you know the image we're talking about? The pillars of creation image? Mm-hmm. Okay. What, like, does that inspire you? Are you like, wow, this is an image? I just think that just looks like it's the most. Yeah, there you go. That sort of image is just kind of like the most out of this world's image. You can really find. And the thing is that actually exists. Yes. That's not something that's not been painted or drawn or whatever, that's... This is also a potato quality version of it. That exists in the universe and it just looks so unworldly. It's crazy. So, here we go. Here's an image from Hubble that is like, otherworldly and crazy. The images we just showed, which obviously are simulations from James Webb, look nothing like that. They are not inspiring at all. Do you think there will be a public backlash if that's all we get out of James Webb? You know, I don't think that they're gonna let the images look like something like that. Okay. I think that they're gonna be very crafty with the way that they put the images out, the PAO work and everything, and throw as many colors as they can into things to try to give it as good of a... Better shop it. Make it look nice. Yeah, I mean... Oh, conspiracy theorists won't have any fun. I just want to say, I have seen where the Pillars of Creation is, which is in a spot... Have you been there? Called Beagle. Why do you think I wasn't here for the last show? So, I've seen it through my own telescope. It's in a spot called the Eagle Nebula and I've imaged it in my own telescope as well. It was colors really aren't there. That's a lot of that is there to help enhance what you're looking at. So, like that, like if you bring it back up, there is like that greenish hue in that area. Dada, do our bidding. Dada, bring it up. Thank you. But that red right there is gas and dust and it's not really actually gonna be red. It's gonna be more gray and it kind of depends on what you're looking at too, like the wavelengths you're looking at as well. There actually is a mission that took an image of the pillars of creation in infrared and it looks like almost like a ghost version of this. So, you see a lot more stars in it because in infrared, like I said, it cuts right through the gas and dust and then you kind of get this sort of like ethereal cloud structure there. That's, I don't wanna say the exact same cloud structure because we're looking in a different wavelength of light because you're not gonna have as much coming through but it's relatively the same with how it looks. So- Oh, wow, there's a lot of, yeah, that's crazy. Dada, did you find it? Yeah. Yeah, so go ahead. Actually, bring up the Hubble one first just so that- Oh my God. Do you understand what it takes to actually, sorry. But we're trying to explain this here. We're trying to explain the difference between visible and infra-pink here. This is a show where we're gonna try to make it so Ryan never gets to his topics but he was here at two in the morning anyhow sitting there being like, uh-huh, I like Hubble, uh-huh, I like James Webb. This is the PAO Hubble version. That's the colorized, false color version, right? Yeah, definitely very pretty colors. Yep, okay. And here we have- There you go. So this is what it would look like in the infrared. It's the four horsemen. The only problem is when you get so many stars, it loses something. I'm curious to know what it's at. To your point, I'm curious to know what PAO puts out. Hopefully it's something that's inspiring. Obviously you need to have the science side of things but we need to have the inspiration side of things too. Otherwise people are gonna have a problem with it. So serious question, Hubble has the tools of being able to capture in RGB and infrared and- Ultraviolet. Ultraviolet. What tools does Webb have? Is it just infrared? So how? Near infrared and infrared, yeah. So we're going from somebody who has six crayons to somebody that has one. We're measuring new crayons now. No, because different way, if we wanna use- I can draw a more precise picture with one color than Hubble could with six. That's what James Webb was saying. So the way that I will answer this, as best I can for the technical way that you're asking it, Dada, is that we are still using different colored crayons when we are imaging with Webb. It's just that with your eyes, because our human eyes are adapted to visible light, not infrared. What about Cylon Eyes? A horrible design. Or Cylon Eyes, I don't, unfortunately I don't know, is it Balastar Galastica? Balastar Galastica. Yeah, I don't know. That's a pretty show, that's a pretty show thing. Yeah, become a member and you'll understand these inside jokes. There's your plug for the show. And we just lost subscribers. Whatever. Yeah, but now we get more money. So if you look at the crayons that we're playing with with your eyes, you're not gonna be able to see. It's gonna be like looking at invisible ink because we don't see infrared. So you can feel it in the form of heat, but you don't see it, unfortunately. There are obviously like animals that can sense or even see if you will in infrared. But yeah, actually Dariachi's got it perfect right there, which is we now have 20 crayons, but they're all just invisible to human eyes. So basically it doesn't matter what color you're looking at with your telescope. It's the wavelengths that matter. Maddy says we're going from crayons to colored pencils, they're much sharper. Yeah, that too, believe it or not. Yeah, definitely. Bring that up on the screen. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that is just a great way to say it, Maddy. Coppercore also says, I would argue the best way to explain it is each wavelength would be represented by a different color. Yes. So there you go. Yeah, and that's great. Shall we give Ryan a spin? Yeah, I think every once in a while. Ryan, what are you excited about for the last like two weeks, actually, because we haven't been on the air. I think that was my fault. I was in Hawaii, aloha. Yeah, oh. Mahalo. Boo-hoo. So I want to bring up this comment from Lupi earlier. It says YouTube in chat for some reason, but it says Lupi on the graphic. Basically talking about the return to launch site missions that we're having, just like this short period of time, compared to previous year, we're basically going to have the same amount of return to launch site recoveries in one quarter than we usually do on average every year, which is, personally, I prefer return to launch site recoveries just because they look so much better, in my opinion. You get such a better scale of the rocket as it's coming in because when it's coming into the drone ship, when it's just when Falcon 9 is coming into the drone ship and you just see open water around, it's kind of hard to visualize the scale of the size of that rocket. But obviously, it all depends on how much fuel is needed and how much mass there is in the payload fairing and how much work the Falcon 9 needs to do in order to deliver it up into orbit. But when they have the available margins to bring it back to land, it's cheaper and it's quicker. So it's just kind of like a win-win, really. And that's quite exciting to see because it looks pretty. And if they can do it, then they might as well do it because also boats are quite expensive as we learned from Peter Back during the neutron announcement. So there's advance just to returning to launch site when you can. And it's my favorite type of return. Matty asks, why are we having so many more return to launch sites? Well, like I said, the payloads are the flying. They don't need as much margin. So there's more fuel left over. So the benefits of using more fuel to return to the launch site outweigh using ES fuel to get to a drone ship and then recover it through the drone ship. Because if you think you've got the drone ship and then you've got the fleet around the drone ship and then you've got to pay for all of the port stuff to get it back in and then recover it from the ship back to land. However, if you just return to launch site, you're coming straight back into the land. You just throw that thing on a truck, basically. And then you can take it back to the hangar and start doing whatever recovery processes that SpaceX needs to do. Yeah, that's super exciting. And I'm actually hoping that I'm going to be up at NRL 87 in just a few days. And I'll make sure to take my longest lens I have with me and get some photos, get some video. And then throw it at us. For photos in rapid succession. Yeah, like 24 or 30 per second, I think. That sounds pretty good. But yeah, it's all about the energy, right? So just like how we were saying it's physics with James Webb, it's physics with rockets as well. You have to obey the laws of physics. There's nothing, there's nothing. Yeah, yeah, for now, until we can break physics. Yeah, copper core saying maybe even 60 photos per second. Unfortunately, you will not be getting 60 photos per second out of me. I'm sorry about that. But yeah, a whole bunch of people are. You can take that camera. What's up? You can take that camera. That'll record 6K raw at 60 frames a second. OK. That's effectively one raw photo 60 times a second. Can I put it? That doesn't fit his long lens. Not that camera, the one behind it. I don't think that'll fit my 550 lens. What mount is it? EF? I think it's EFS. Oh, maybe it would. Yeah, because not these cameras, the one behind these cameras is EF. Oh. Not EF. There's no way your camera's EF is. I don't know the difference. Anyhow, why don't you take the camera and try it? Yeah, maybe I'll do. Maybe I will. And we can work with that. And I'll have two cameras. Gee, Jared, how come your mom lets you have two cameras? Oh, God. Jared pugs himself. Sorry. I didn't mean to do that. But everything. Sorry. As many people are saying, things are incredibly expensive with that. But you still have to go out and grab the payload fairings. So you do. But the payload fairings, in comparison to the size of the rocket, are much less mass, much less effort. You just bob and dug. They're just big boats with big cranes on them, which go and scoop these out of the ocean. So the cost of that, compared to the cost of operating a drone ship, is very different. Yeah, and I was just about to say, you totally answered my next question I was going to ask, which is, how many did they put one payload fairing per ship, or one half of the payload fairing per ship? Or do we stick both of them on the same ship? You answered it. They go on their own individual ship. So that's very nice to them. It's like if you're traveling and you get like your own. I think they put both on one ship. They just have two ships, I think. OK, I think. OK, redundancy. I get it. I get it. I get it. And we have a really cool. Also in cases when there's more, because it takes a while also to mention it takes a while to get a boat out to where they need to be. Like these are hundreds of kilometers down range they're going. So when they have many launches close to each other, they need to have multiple vessels out at sea. So it's also for that. Yeah, Bob and Doug. They have Bob and Doug for increased cadence to support two missions at once. So very cool from that loopy right there. And also from loopy as well, which is a very good point. If you ever want to go see a rocket launch in person, which is that you don't see this in person with a drone ship landing. And that's very, very true. I've been to two RTLSs in my life so far. And they are awesome. I love it. So you get two for the price of one, don't you? You get to see the launch. And then you get to see the landing. And it's just like, I came in for a launch. Oh, there's a landing as well. How brilliant is that? It's like, why won't get one free? What's not to love? It's a launch in the other direction. Well, the best part is that you also get sonic booms with it as well. And not just that. How many booms, Jared? You get three booms. How many booms, Dada? Three. Physics. So yeah, that's right. Three booms, everybody. One, two, three. Read it and weep. There goes 25 subscribers with that there. Dada doesn't, he fought the three. Are you actually on board with three now? I don't understand it, but I'm not refuting it. You refuted it for years. I did, I did. And I still, I don't understand it. It makes sense to me. It does. But not understanding it doesn't mean it's not real. It just means you don't understand it. I haven't seen a visual that makes it make sense to me. That's what I'm there. That's what it sounds like. Every, my two recordings of it sound exactly like that. Boom, boom, boom. So yeah, I don't know, I can't help you, Dada. Why don't you come along on Wednesday and we can settle this once and for all. I have to go somewhere else on Wednesday. Yeah, that's true. Somewhere, I don't want to say cooler, but like it's definitely up there with that. So some good stuff. So yeah, Jack in our chat room is saying, boom, boom, boom. So that's- You know, but like our ability to put it up on the screen broke and so I can't, I was going to put it on screen, but I can't now. I went to press the button and the on-screen system went pfft. I got kicked out of that, man. Oops. Yeah, you can log back in now, but like yeah, we lost every, all of our screens went white. It's amazing. If only you could see what we see on this side. We're talking, we're having this great conversation like there's all of these great comments coming up and everything just goes pfft and disappears all at once and now we have a completely blank slate to work with. So everyone watching live, please send in epic comments again because we lost them all. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful stuff. It's pretty good. But yeah, I just, I'm pretty stoked about it, RTLS. So I'm going to try to figure out how close I can get up in Lompoc, Lompoc, Lompoc, whatever the name is of the town, because I mean, it's cool to watch it from where I watch it from, but at the same time, I really would like to get a little bit closer. Headcrab wants someone to explain why there are three booms. Yeah. Somebody explain why there's three booms with you. Well first, someone explain why there's a sonic boom at all. It's going really fast. That doesn't help. Because it's running into the air in front of it. Dada, would you like to do this explanation? Yeah, Dada, just don't try thermo again. So when an item goes through the air faster than sound can travel through the air, it actually folds the pressure wave back on itself and you, I'm explaining this entirely, you're basically breaking the air. And so you get a... Oh no, I did that to myself and Star Wipe. Did you do a Star Wipe really? No, I did a Star Wars angled wipe. I'm sorry, keep talking. So if you look at an item traveling through space, you have air coming this direction here. And as it goes faster and faster, the wave that's created by this thing, like you would see a boat through water becomes this angle. And so if you're taking a pressure reading from the ground you get this spike where the wave meets and then you get a drop where the wave ends and that's usually at the end of the thing. And so you get this boom and then a boom. And I don't understand how it doesn't do at least pairs in with the Falcon 9 but apparently it does three booms. Yeah, I was gonna say for, I kind of help answer that to the best of my knowledge but someone also in the chat has done that as well. First of all, you can always tell when someone's an engineer because they pick up props to start showing. Everything, it's a cute item. Guilty. Yeah, guilty as well. And Alejandro saying that the three booms come from the engines, the landing legs. We got chat back. Look, we can put things on screen again. Let's go. Isn't that great? It's on Mars. How's that good? Yeah, that's good. Also, howdy, Jack. Glad to have you here. But we'll go to Michael. Next facelift first, good folks who keep us well informed. The best place to watch a Vandenberg launch is where the fog is not. That's a pro tip right there. That's a pro move. I've been looking at Vandenberg at new-nish time Pacific and it's been pretty clear so far. So knock on wood. Thank you, Lupie. There you go. That's an old sketch that I did and that's the best estimation that I can come up with. Yeah. Wow, Dada, you did a pretty good sketch there. Is it though? It's better than I would be able to do. Estimation, jackass. I can't even draw a straight line with a ruler for God's sake. So I mean, look at that, that's impressive. So if you follow from the left to the right as the Falcon travels to the left, you get a reading of what the pressure wave would be as it contacts ground or whatever. So you get a peak and then it slowly comes back down to become a dip to even out. And then my estimation is that you get that one peak with the two, the landing legs and the grid fins coupled together to get a second boom and then the third booms. I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. The other thing to note is that obviously, I shouldn't stop talking. That's okay. Tony Shipek is saying, do we have a bet on Vandy Fogg? Should we go again or? Wait, who won last? Oh no, it was a draw. It was a draw at the time. There was Fogg, but it wasn't like. Or should we make this over a set period of time? No, maybe. No, because it all depends. So I'm saying no Fogg, what are you saying? Well, I'm gonna say no Fogg as well. So why don't we bet each other that it's no Fogg? And then we'll give each other one paper or four of coin? Is that what we'll do? Is that what we're doing? We're betting each other that there will be no Fogg. Who are we giving the money to? Each other. Okay. You're welcome internet. So next Friday, I guess if there's no Fogg, we'll just exchange a dollar with each other. Does that mean I'm now realizing? Oh, thank you Tata. I'm sorry Jack, I took me to Jack. I'm sorry. Jack says don't, did you bring it to air? Yeah. Okay. I like loopy. You can't bet the same thing. That's not how, well that's how it works. Yeah. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works. I just realized we're gonna, there's a launch on Saturday, a launch on my birthday which is Sunday. So special birthday launch. Everyone eat cake during that launch to honor my birth and another orbit around the sun. And then we've also got Noral, whatever it is. 87. Like on that Tuesday, I think it is. It's a goat. It's a goat. That's the NRL. I think that's what's on the patch, right? A goat or a ram or something. I can't remember. Jared, there are so many launches. I literally only look to the next launch. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh Jack. Jack. Okay, you have no idea. So you say that, but think about where I'm at, where I have got whatever gear you think you have, I feel like my gear is like three or four levels above that. Plus I've got crews of people and like I'm trying to show hundreds of thousands of people this launch site and all you get is this like varying shades of white on the screen and you have to like describe what, oh there you go. It is a goat. Hey. That's terrifying. Like a mountain goat or something. That's a ram, I think. Yeah, it might be. Something like that. That's the thing that they have at the train at Disneyland when it goes through the Grand Canyon. I don't see a stick of dynamite. Oh, that too. See, I was doing, oh yeah, yeah. Oh, whoopee. Oh, no, no, I'm gonna say I have to make that a lower third because he did it in Discord. So Discord always, yeah. You know what, we've got, here's Michael also. We got a bunch of launch photography in the chat. Yeah, what? Are you all excited to get pictures of Fog on Tuesday or what are these? This is what happens when you put a picture of a rocket as the thumbnail. Oh my gosh, and did we put the word nuclear in the thumbnail too? No, no. No. We could have had dozens more people. Michael's going. I know a bunch of company actors that are going up as well. It's day launch and again, it has been pretty clear. Like when other things occurred throughout the week, I was looking at those feeds and they were always clear at the time that T-Zero's occur. Just want to remind. Ask for swag. Yep, just a reminder, if you find me, come get some swag, I'm gonna have some really cool tomorrow patches for you up there. So come and get it. Can you go for a change, because it's nuclear. You know, we laugh, we laugh, hang on, hang on. Hold on. We laugh, but those channels have more subscribers than we do, and they have more views per video than we do. And then we kind of try to do like, like we go do the game over. Yeah, but I also sleep at night. Stupid. Yeah, we need to cover nuclear James weapons and all that shit. Oh my God, more stuff, Ryan. Like we just took the show back from you and then didn't let you talk anymore. Is that thing you do? Yes, yes. What's the words? I don't know, you didn't toss yet. It's like 3 AM his time, give him a break. Yeah, so a Falcon 9 second, I'm going here. A Falcon 9 second stage, it's gonna go into the moon and that may sound really cool or it may sound really bad. You can make your own opinion on that. Let us know in the chat. Let us know in the chat. Do you want us to crash into the moon? It's gonna happen, you can't prevent it. So yeah, the second stage, which assisted with the discover mission, which we launched in 2015, is predicted to hit the moon on March 4th at about 25 minutes, half past 12 UTC. You won't be able to see it because it'll be on the far side of the moon. But there's some sort of rough predictions on the time and the location of when and where this is going to happen. And it's just, for me, it kind of feels a bit weird because SpaceX, I always had the assumption that SpaceX de-orbited their second stages. But that's obviously not the case if it's gonna hit the moon. It should've burned up by now. So I just want to note that discover was launched to the Earth Sun L1 point. So this was a very high energy orbit. And because of that, that meant that the stage did not have any sort of like propellant reserves left for it to even think about being able to burn back anywhere near the Earth. So again, we're talking another point, a million, 1.6 million kilometers away from the Earth. So I hadn't heard it. This is their de-orbit plan for the second stage? I don't understand. Not quite, no. That's very nice. The thing is it's true though. There's nothing to say that you can't collide with the moon. It got there first. It physically touched the moon first. So this is not... Regolith Breaked. Reggebrake? Litho-Breaked. It'd be Litho-Breaking. Is it Litho-Earth? No, I'm killing your fun. It's Litho-Breaked. It's Regge-Break. Oh, God, there you go, 20 more subscribers. Reg... Regolith-O-Breaking. Regolith-O-Breaking. Is that the show title for this? Regolith-O-Breaking. SpaceX or... Oh, my gosh, no. No one's going to know what it means. New SpaceX landing revealed. Regolith-O-Breaking. New here, Lego. Oh, my God, that's amazing. Oh, my gosh. That's some good stuff. Oh, jeez. Oh, boy, we're going for it. So, oh, my gosh, that's amazing. So, yeah, actually, a lot of folks in the media were kind of freaking out about this and giving some crap to SpaceX and Elon over this, but this really isn't like an unprecedented thing. L-Cross. So, L-Cross, yeah. Are they aiming for old Apollo sites? They're not. It's the far side of the moon, so it is nowhere near the Apollo sites because they're on the other side of the moon. So we're hitting the alien, secret alien base on the other side of the moon. Yes. Yeah, okay. Got it. That's exactly what we're doing. You remember that McDonald's that's near the Chinese rover U-2 and we're on the other side? Yeah, we're going for it. I really like the way they did their French fries. Yeah, it's pretty good. It was a U-F-L unscheduled moon landing. Thank you, Rahul. That's pretty good. And Loopy just added a regular list of raking to our... I think it's the only show thing we've got in there. Yeah, I've had like five titles today. I just didn't put any of them in. That's where you guys can vote on titles. Yeah, so this has happened before, not just with L-Cross as well, but basically if you have a seismometer on the surface of the moon, you can take data from these impacts that happen. And that's what they did during the Apollo program. So the upper stages for Apollo 13 to Apollo 17 were intentionally crashed into the moon for the seismographs that Apollo 11 and Apollo 12 left behind to detect and figure out the interior of the moon. Because you can actually determine the interior of an object by the way waves traveled through it. And that's one way that that's how we know the interior of the Earth as we look at earthquake waves all over the Earth and you can do it at the moon as well. So we'll be able to determine the type of cheese that is made of? Yes. Yeah. Well, we've already figured out that it's like a layer of Gouda on top. And then below that there's smoked Gouda. There's a Google Maps Easter egg with that, isn't there? Oh, I have no clue. Where like if you go to Google Maps and you select the moon and you zoom all the way in, it turns into cheese or something. Am I in my right chat room? I think it was moon.google.com. All right. If that still works, so. But yeah, no, it's no. It's colliding on the moon. It's not near anything at all. It does still work. Oh, it does. Does it now? That's good. So I'm not getting cheese, though. Yeah. And then once you get inside of it, it was a geyer cheese. So yeah, it becomes really difficult to get through it. There you go. OK, careful. Careful. See? You broke the moon. That's not cheese. That's not. That's a broken. I can't believe you did it. Are you imitating a Ranger spacecraft? So what you're doing? You pissed. Anyhow, it is pretty cool that you can go to moon.google.com and like zoom into things. Yeah, it used to go to cheese for anyone wondering. This is just Dutter playing with the moon time, though. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's cool. Why not? Anything else, Ryan? No, that's pretty much it. As you're falling asleep. The SpaceX have a, yeah, SpaceX just have such a crazy launch cadence this year. The fact that we've already got so many launches on the car. And we're going to have so many launches, presuming that they don't scrub for a long time within such a short period of time. Jamie's dying at this. If they could continue this throughout the entire year, that would just be absolutely crazy. More launches. I don't know when I'm going to get to sleep. I don't know. Yeah, I need it. I would like a nap. That's fine. It'll be fine. I would like a nap, please. It'll be fine. Don't worry about it. It'll be fine. So just grab a robot. It'll be fine. Just so you know when you're dead. And hang on, Ryan. You're really only mentioning, you're only really looking at the manifest for Falcon, aren't you? Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. That's very true. Because you've also got Falcon Heavy in the mix, right? Well, I think that's in the manifest. Yeah. Oh, oh, OK. There you go. OK, gotcha. Thank you. Welcome to 30 Seconds ago, Jared. I knew you would catch up. I knew you would get there. I'm proud of you. I'm so happy to be here finally. Someone in our comments for the show where I asked how many times did United Launch Alliance launch in 2021 answered it. Thank you, person in the comments. Can't remember your name. But it was five times in 2021. And I do believe that SpaceX, if they do the three, it's going to be five. So far this year by February 2nd. So that's more than one week. Yeah. Yowza. But ULA has launched once so far this year. So that means they've done half. So they're halfway with SpaceX. They're keeping up, everybody. So not bad. Oh, excuse me. Alex physics to say it's going to be six by February 2nd. That answers the new month. I beg your pardon. So yes. Wow. See, they've already launched three times. It's just. Yeah. That's the thing is I think at this point it's just. Yeah, we don't take that. I don't like taking the fence. I don't like taking the discord ones to air unless they have an image because they're all at the top. Smash cut. I'll take those. As soon as I see that they're from discord like that, I'll render it and then I'll just be like, no, no, no, lower third instead. Anyhow, I guess you have a really good gif in your discord message. Just don't even bother. Wait, in mine and my personal one? No, in your disc. If someone sends a discord message and you don't have a really good gif, there's no point. Yeah, we're not interested. I'll take it to a lower third. Just detach a good gif. He wants a rocket lab one. Here. That's what he wants. Gotcha. Gotcha. You know what? Dr. Harry, Harry Brul? Steve. Steve Brul, God, sorry. Well, that's what you call it when it comes in. Dr. Steve. You got his name wrong and that's what he does with everybody else. So you're right where it needs to be. Dr. Steve Brul is the official spirit animal of the army. That's what I'm supposed to say. He's the official mascot. That's what I'm going for. He's the official mascot of the show. Like he exists in all of us in some way. Yeah, everybody's throwing. I can't believe everybody's doing this. Look at what you've brought upon us. Yeah, now this is happening. All right, is the show breaking down? Jared, did you have anything else that wasn't James Webb's Space Telescope related? Yeah, actually. I just wanted to mention that the Mars helicopter ingenuity is still doing a fantastic job on Mars. It just completed its 19th flight. But they actually did have to delay the 19th flight to start. And they had to delay it because there was a dust storm happening. You want to take it there? This is how we pod block. Just go to it. Here's how we pod block. Hop on back to it. Hey, cool guy. Would you get this leather jacket? Can I ask you a serious question? But they had to actually delay ingenuity. Bringo, Jack Prott. If anyone knows how to get a hold of him, I forget the actor's name. John C. Ryan. If anyone knows how to get a hold of him, we would love to interview Dr. Stephen Brewell on the show. And treat it like a serious interview. I think you guys would love that. We would love that. It wouldn't be an official show. It'd be an unofficial. Well, on his show, check it out, his space episode. He does mention, at the end of it, that, oh, I forgot to cover Rockets. So we need to have. Now he has a chance. So Dr. Steve Brewell, please come on our show. This is your chance to cover Rockets. Absolutely. We would absolutely. Just saying, April 1st is a Friday. Just going to put that one there. Come on. Tomorrow, we'll talk about Spracer to the Big Rockets. But back to what I was talking about with the helicopter on board. Back on track, back on track. Real space stuff. Ingenuity's 19th flight was delayed because there was a dust storm occurring in the. So would you call that space weather? Or Mars weather. So it is. Space weather, Mars weather on Mars. Weather on Mars. Yeah, Mars weather. So that was actually the first weather delay that we have had on another planet. So so we officially have had our first interplanetary weather delay due to weather. So there you go. So planetary weather. Planetary weather. I just want to point out, like a lot of people gave me guff for putting Dr. Tabitha Scov's space weather segments in the news. They're like, I don't understand. These are long. It doesn't apply to me. I'm like, this absolutely applies to you. Space weather applies to everyone on Earth because it can impact communications. It can impact so many things here on Earth. But then it can impact launches. And we are a space show. But then it can also impact missions on other planets as it has. And so like this, yeah, thank you, Smokescale. And I freaking love Tabitha's space weather segments. And so there were a lot of people who gave me, we're not pleased with the fact that we had space weather on there. And I really don't care. Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's important. And I think it's great. It is important. Yeah. And not just for the flight of ingenuity, but even things like when you're hot. Wi-Fi on an airplane. But also for entry, descent, landing on Mars, you have to know what the weather in the area is like. You have to know what atmospheric pressures are. You have to know relative density of particulates in the atmosphere and things like that. So yeah, it's. Particulates. Particulates in the atmosphere. So yeah, it's not just about can ingenuity fly or not. It's even mission critical things like entry, descent, and landing, and how you're going to modify entry if you need to for things like that. Space weather makes it a more futuristic new shoe. Sorry, wait, Chris. So if you make a typo, we're going to throw up on the screen. You know what? We make mistakes. And y'all call us out on it. When you make mistakes, we're calling you guys back out on it, too. That's how this relationship works. Yep. We get our news from shoes. This is the future. Absolutely. Oh, Vax is here. Vax is here just in time for us. Vax, you missed the part where we were talking about regularitha breaking. Yeah, we were talking about Elk Cross. And you missed it. Yeah, and that was yours. All right. Anything else? No. I feel like the show is stalled. Oh, we figured out what caused the solar panel on Lucy did not fully deploy. Oh, what caused the solar panel on Lucy did not fully deploy. And the plan here that pulls to deploy it didn't go all the way. So can we just tell it to go again? They're looking at that right now. But it's 94% deployed. Is that good enough? Like, is it it'll be degraded a little bit or not really? Not enough to be a problem. OK. They might have to figure out how to orient it when they do things like engine burns and stuff like that. But overall, not really as big a problem as so many people were thinking it was. That's a good point. Did it muck up at CG at all? I don't think it's a small. Well, I mean, the mass is still in the relatively same area that that solar panel would be. So yeah, I think it's the answer you don't know. I don't think it should. But I also, as I will say on the show, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like it's a fair answer. I don't know. Ryan, do you have any other stories that we missed? No. I have nothing. Yeah. Now, Ryan, are you still awake at this hour? Are you actually awake? Or are you like, are you just like, were you sleep? Were you sleep-hosting this whole show? Yeah. Yeah. So you're actually dreaming right now. You're in REM. Uh-huh. That's good to know. It's all a dream. It's all inside a snow globe. This never happens. Snow globes all the way down. All right. 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