 Here we gon' talk, we gon' have fun We be on fire, we need hustle, big shit Big shit, big shit, huh It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh Name another podcast like this We gon' bring it to the table, boss talk Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle It's your boy E.C.O. and I'm here with the lovely amazing official, Ms. Jamaica, what's going on? Nuh-uh, I need no more day to walk on Man, hey man, check it, man, hey man We got a guy here, y'all, he don't need no introduction, man, this guy right here Hey, listen, man, say, man, you niggas bit this nigga's style back in the day, really, to be honest with you, a lot of you niggas wouldn't have been famous if it weren't for this nigga right here, but it could help you niggas dance your way to success, nigga. My boy Lil Spain is in the building. Yeah, yeah, Lil Spain, AKA Big Spain, you know what I'm saying, we elevated, the boogie king. Yeah, yeah, you ain't live no more. Yeah, he's the biggest now, man. Yeah, you gotta change that name. Oh, it's Big Spain now. Okay. Yeah, you know, ain't nothing changed, but you know, I just elevated the brain size, you know what I'm saying, pockets, you know, it's meant to get a whole lot better now. Man, Dallas, Texas, man, putting Dallas, Texas on the map, man, that's what a lot of cats, they forget about the foundation of what made the city what it is in certain times. I talk about those times often on this show, man, where you look at how everybody came during their era, you know, even the role when I talked to him on here, or even chief when I talked to him, or even Gator Man, as I talked to him, or Fat Pimp, or going up to the new boys, you know what I'm saying, my boy Strapp is just, you know, just a guy killed the other day, man, RIP, man, like, learning the culture, learning the things that's happening and transpiring in Dallas, man, got a new cat, Bobby Johnson. There's all type of people that's getting into this music, man, but one thing we can't do is forget about the foundation and how it was laid. I think it's very important, I think a lot of times, because of not having the right situations and platforms before, it kind of got lost in the sauce a little bit in certain ways. So we have to continue to redevelop. You know what I'm saying? The conditioning of our people through what happened in the Dallas area. Go ahead. So I want to know, because I don't usually just follow an artist because of their music. I need to know, because one thing I hate, when you hear somebody's music and you love them, you love their music, when you meet them in person, you're like, I can't stand you. So I want to know who you are. I want to know where you're from. I want to know everything about you. I want my fans to fall in love with you as a person. Everybody call me Spain back in the day. You know what I'm saying? I elevated to a little Spain when I started dealing with the rap music. Me and Lil Will, we both call for North Dallas. North Dallas be always been knowing me through the chicken. Because my family is the kings of the chicken in Dallas. When you say kings of chicken, what you mean? I'll let you know. Starting with my great-uncle Hennessy chicken, that's what started it all. Then Spain's chicken, that was my daddy. Rudy's chicken, that's my granddaddy. Now Spain's elevated to big mommas, that's my granny too. Everybody always knew me from that and they just knew me from being in the streets, messing around and everything. See the only thing I know is Rudy's chicken, I don't know about the other ones. Oh, I know about all of them. Oh yeah, yeah, all of them. So all the other ones still exist right now? Yeah, big mommas still over there on fours lane. Rudy's a no-clear. Hennessy, you got Hennessy's everywhere. Yeah, I've heard of Hennessy's. Well, that's all I've found. I didn't know they're all related. Oh, yeah, yeah, we are related, you know what I'm saying? Same recipes? No, no, I'm not saying that. Rudy's still keeping up with Rudy's season. Which one's the best? Rudy's chicken the best right now. Yeah, Rudy's the best. Why? Because that's because that's papa man, you know, and I'm there and I'm there every day grinding. So I gotta say that's the best, you know what I'm saying? Man, when I come through there, man, I be cutting up so damn bad, boy, I come through the dry through hollering and everything. Yeah, I have to stop him. What's up, dude? What's up? I'm having a good time through that dry through the dry. One day you came and I was there. I seen you, you left a card. Well, I was so busy working though, I was like, man, that's the dude for both talks. She always talking, he's talking. Yeah, if you had that wonder, nigga, everything just like the show, nigga. What's up? Yeah, I'll be cooking and making the basket. So you know me now, you just come through that holless ass from Spain, I got you. We had a lady come on here, C.C. I don't know if you know C.C. reaction. She's from Chicago and she say Harold's chicken in Chicago is better than Rudy's. I put up against Rudy's, nigga. We won, nigga. We went down to Chicago because we never had Harold's. We went on and we was like, okay, let's give it a fair shot. Let's try it out and there's nothing beating that season under Rudy's sauce. You know who is close to though? We like, is it Alabama or Mississippi? Oh yeah, Green Cross and down in Alabama. Green Acres. You gotta check them out. When you go to ATL, if you ever drive down there, stop through Birmingham, Alabama. They won the hoodie awards with Steve Harvey. They good. But see these niggas different, see. You go to the window and I'm just gonna give a shout out and they say, do you want it? All the way. All the way. And they throw hot sauce and everything on that thing. Hot sauce, ketchup, everything. I said, dude. I gotta test that out. I gotta test that out. Because if we could bring ours cold, I could try and put dollars down there and I think I see the steel. He's still getting cold. I told her that dinner. That thing, hey man. Nah, I gotta eat it hot. I can't eat it cold. Yeah, man. You know, you leave in the car next day. I'm gonna get that chicken. It's going down, man. I'm getting hungry now. Nah, you can't have no fried food. I'll see how she do me, man. I'm gonna die and everything around this home. Sorry, man. Sorry. Just trying to give a cheat day every now and then. I'm coming through that. Don't even trip. Just don't say nothing about it. Okay, I got you. So were you raised with your mom and your dad? Yeah. See, yeah. The chicken beer is my daddy's side of the family. So I used to go see my daddy a weekend. Oh, so they weren't in the same house together? No, no. They broke up and we were little. I mean, when I was little, I said we. But you know, but I was still I was in the streets with my mama. When I was in the novel, I was like in the streets with my mama. Then I go. No, I've seen both sides. I've seen the middle class, the red side, the lower class. And that's how I used to be. I got stuck in the streets when I was younger but then realized like, damn, if I'd have just paid attention and slowed down and been patient, I'd have been the king of this chicken shit right now. Well, you know, that was just all lessons learned. Hold on. You said in the streets with your mama. So exactly explain when you say in the streets with your mama. When I lived with my mama, I should be in the streets tripping. Okay, okay. Doing stuff I ain't supposed to do when I got this empire right here. But I was trying to move so fast. Let me get money now. Let me get money now. Let me try to hustle. Trying to look at other things, trying to sign and stuff. When I sat down, when I went down for a minute, I realized when you sit down and think about it, I really had the opportunity to really be one of the richest young niggas in Dallas at the time when I was tripping. But that was just a lesson learned. Everybody has to go through what they have to go through to learn to appreciate what you have because if you jumped up and you said, okay, yeah, you did right, you may not have appreciated it. You understand? Because a lot of people have money and have what they have but don't appreciate what they have. But for the main factor, you have to go sit down, do what you have to do and come back. You can still be the king. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't nothing going to change, man. It's just going to do with a whole lot better now and that's how it's going to be, man. I sit down and read a lot, did a lot of studying, went to a lot of schools. I know how to do it now, man. I ain't going to let nothing take me off my pedestal no more, you know what I'm saying? So I'm steady grinding. I ain't going to never stop grinding, never stop signing. I know where the outcome of grinding with my granddaddy. So if you see a young kid right now who knuck ahead going through all of that but they don't have an empire waiting on them, how could you advise them to, you know, stay on the straight and narrow? I'm just telling them, let's be patient. You know what I'm saying? Take your time. Right now you young. You can have a little fun but don't trip out to where you're going to be gone forever, dead in the dirt. Because out here it's crazy. So all you got to do is take your time, find something else that changed you from doing negativity, you know what I'm saying? Because if you can sell dope, you can sell hope, you can sell rock, you can sell socks, you can be on the corner selling anything that's legal, because legal money is going to last forever. That's what I always believe too but when you talk to these young kids, because I've talked to a lot of young kids because it hurt my heart when I see these young, I call them young entrepreneurs because that's what you are when you're on the streets, you're an entrepreneur who can, I don't want to work for somebody you can start your own business but a legal business but at the same time they think that that street money is a faster way of making money to supply to their family because so many people depending on them to pay the bills, do this, do that but you telling a kid to walk the street in an hour, go get a nine to five do this, do that but then they're not making as much money doing that as how they doing on the streets. What they do, they also look at you like okay, what you got? You can't tell me none if you ain't got this, this, this, how can you advise me? You know what I mean? So how can you really advise them because I don't like to see them out there doing that because they are better ways of making money, just have to be patient like what you say but how can you really get them to listen and not have to go through that? You got to song, you know what I'm saying? Walk, they walk, talk, they talk, you got to song A lot of time they not for to listen Reading they not going to listen because let's be real for a minute when I was popping, I don't care what y'all say, Nick I'm out here getting this money y'all niggas trying to tell me I'm riding around these nice cars, I go to the store I shop every day, you niggas talking outside of y'all Nick and everybody love me because I'm famous in my own circle so when I come around it's just too much it's just too much stuff that they got going inside those little circles to when a person of age come looking weak yeah, looking old trying to tell me and you already done what I done so I really am looking at you crazy as hell so it sounds good but really the best thing I've seen is to show a person how to live in front of them shut up and just show all that talking and trying to shut up and show they want to see whenever you were on the streets and this goes to both of y'all you never thought about the consequences I did, I said I'm going to be dead by 25 or either I'm going to be locked up 1-2-24 it was I just didn't care I didn't give a damn, I was just living that's what you think most of the time I'm full of junk tripping living life day by day if I blow it this day I'm going to make it tomorrow because you had friends who passed away because of it while you were there but that didn't still I was deaf dumb and blind at the time I wasn't caring I was living doing me and you know what people like her was doing talking about you that boy sitting there dumb that boy on that drill hook they not really trying to help you as much as they talking about you I ain't talking about them but if you see a mama and all them older people I'm just being real that's what they do they going to send them niggas selling dope look at them new car, look at them boy's shoes that's what they do they ask for some money they talk about you no but I think that really you know like the best thing we can do people don't really like to give it credit for what it really done but hip hop changed everything for our people a lot of times when it came to entrepreneurship it was a lot of time this hip hop era is what put money in our younger generations pocket created billionaires now up to this point and we just a lot of times looked at it in a way to where I seen those older people even shooting that down when it first started out so now all of a sudden they want to act like they cool with it because they done got a little older but when our first was coming up they was not cool with it and they was talking about it because people were cursing on music more they were doing all these different things that they were not used to so now that it's okay and you know what when the pop culture embraced it like this but when people that don't look like us embraced it then our people start to embrace it more I don't agree with that you know what I feel Yeah I figured you wouldn't No I feel just like anything um playing a song like okay you made a song and you played on the radio the first time we hear it was like oh that's trash I don't like it but they played so much that after the end of the week or the two weeks that's jamming that's jamming and at first you didn't like it so it's just the same thing rap with hip hop with music you hear it so much like how do you not just eventually just go with the flow look at how many things we see on TV that um we don't agree with that first day ease it into the TV and we're like ooh the kids shouldn't be watching this no no no no no but now 20 30 years later on it become a way of life you see it everywhere around you yeah it drew me out when I got out yeah I didn't see the Lord's Tucker didn't like Tupac until he died yeah still don't like him probably didn't like him when she died and that's another thing that certain people are not going to accept yeah just like and with hip hop and rap we have the power to change a lot of this stuff that go on like back in the 80s they were speaking righteousness and everybody was on their righteousness exactly then people came in to try to get that out of the way let's talk about hustling and hoes and bitches you know what I'm saying they're like right now everybody claim they demons that don't care about dying that's why a lot of these youngsters out here tripping and dying when I was growing up they were rapping about hustling and making money now they talking about putting it in your nose and popping it all now that's why these kids walking around like that killing the one thing about the black culture everybody copies what we do worldwide and don't say we can change it by what we speak about what we rap about what we put out on movies that's one thing I'm trying to do right now I'm trying to change this culture of let's have fun again that's why I'm the boogie can because when I step through I want it to be a whole party I'm saying that's what I do now I'm saying I'm gonna start with my city and we're gonna take it worldwide that's what I'm trying to do right now man we gotta change this culture change this perspective of how we think now and just change the things we do there's few people who've been over here that say that they want to change it because but then you have those few who say that but because of popularity and for them to get big they gotta go with the flow of things first they gotta sing you know rap what everybody is rapping so that they can get popular then they go easy into the positivity and everything else because they done already done blew up in big so they can do that yeah but you have those people who don't care because they're tired of all of the drill music and the dissing that all the killings and all of that so they want to inject and change into society but with change it takes time it takes you becoming a martyr you take people like what are you doing like are you crazy till 20 years come later on people say well you are ahead of your time you know because that's what people do because you wanted to change but why don't you team up with those other people who want to do change because you by yourself sometimes it might be harder but if you team find out who want to do positivity music team up with them and try to touch more people yeah that's what I've been doing so I've been out you know saying I be clear I'm messing with Nino in there East Dallas South Dallas West I've been to every hood chopping up I'm in the streets I'm saying I'm in your face and we talking about this all these old G's out of Dallas all the old Dallas rappers don't say we all trying to come together and make this happen you know saying this not talk we go it's coming you know saying we just got to sit there and push and don't let nobody get in our way and keep we got to get these weenies out the way that's got this platform that's out here saying fuck Dallas and all this crazy stuff and move them out the way and let the real get here and show them how we can get together and become unified how long will it take how long will it take it could take tomorrow it could take a few hours it could take a couple weeks you know saying we just got to push I think I think you're right about I don't think they move out the way though these anybody that you don't like it's always going to be the ying and the yang like you just create something that like like when I created this it was more like okay I'm gonna give my people some good to look at when they see us and and I know that other stuff is out there yeah but boy I'm for the Hitti niggas and they know it's with this one though and I think that's when you inject your truth in it like like you say you had a podcast or say you had something a blog site or whatever and you just got out work the niggas just doing the crazy stuff you know I'm saying you got to do it in your own way it's gonna be dope anyway you look at it and you should do that I'm really being real like if you hadn't done something like that you and your team y'all should have something out here you know most people I give it to you like they waiting on the music the music just a part of it this is a brand thing so when you look at all the stuff that you can do now when I sit down with the Mike bless I say this every interview now y'all when I sit down with these guys who making 300 on a bad month 300,000 on a bad month 480,000 on a good month and they using just this cell phone the 13 and you got a 13 and you basically just sitting around now trying to wait on some artist to pop I think that's ludicrous you should be telling your story putting it out because it's content over create content is more important than anything right now not even just the fact that I'll be in here what he's doing what you know what the crew said all of this should be recorded but you should be doing it on this and the reason why you should be doing it is because it's easier to upload and get your content up and every single day that you live by the time you already got a name nigga I'd have been an already one against soldier boy and everybody else that ever did me wrong nigga you gonna know I'm out now nigga you know what I'm saying I'm out you need to feel my pain but this should already be happening this should have happened the first day out you should have been like I like that nigga for this two time when he got out they went with the little plane and got him and all of this and J Prince and he held him down and you seen that movement that's where we at somebody over there gets it we need to get better at that we need all our people need to understand that these right here I said it if country one can make 480,000 I can do bad and make 70,000 a month that ain't that bad I take the 70 yeah so I'm just saying you guys got something special you guys are a group of men that are together and probably some female whoever let's let everybody see how it go down and y'all started this I mean from the indigo apartments all up down over there across jump off all the way over across the street from jump off at the bar off you niggas wouldn't go sit down no time why sit down now nah ain't no sit down and right now y'all to be catching in cause y'all like I said you already been gone like I said the Instagram thing wasn't even prevalent when you left here it was basically Facebook nigga I was a king of Facebook nigga back then y'all nigga I hurt them boys with Facebook go look my mind space up nigga yeah that mind space I should be booming on nigga yeah yeah I'm just gonna stay on there you can still go on there back then well I ain't gonna lie I was the first to Texas to go viral man I was the head of my time explain that to me like how you go viral and what did you used to go viral what was it I was the first to put the Dougie a person booking on YouTube in Dallas why that channel at that channel is disappearing somewhere you can't even look it up I still I got the old video on Facebook but that first video I posted on YouTube that channel that channel don't just disappear it's still there man I'm telling you man it's actually you look for it yes I've been searching out a hit of Google it's like when I write when I got out what was it your channel was it your channel it was my it was a little Spain channel did you had a phone number you remember the phone number phone number thing back then it was email and you remember the email I seen it in myself before I got out like I should watch it on the phone now I'm saying but when I got out like that disappeared I'm like God damn somebody that hated you know some people that's up there in the mix you know say probably did something but we've been searching for it but you got the video still yeah I got one of the old videos on Facebook man I still you if you got the old video on Facebook take off you can't worry about this Facebook I know when I first did it on YouTube that bitch had got like 50,000 like a month that was big then that's how the record record labels came and found Lil' Will for the dug-in out of that YouTube video because I used to be on the internet all day boom boom boom boom just on there posted shit loading shit up doing videos all day now I'm saying I've seen Soul's Boy how he used to do it and I followed his little format because he was one of the first I seen he could make money off that YouTube so I started following that and doing it our way and I'm saying it popped off when I put that video of me dug-in in the club it just took off everybody I used to know me every time I used to go there it was like spang spang spang I used to be like damn what y'all doing from a whole route when they used to see this YouTube you know what I'm saying they see me with my white shades they come through going crazy like I was bigger than Will at the time we didn't drop the dug-in video they just used to see me dug-in and it just went from there videos all type of different videos that's why they called me the boogie king because I had that boogie on my back how was it when you first done it that nigga I'm for the dance on these niggas yeah man I don't call it dancing because I say gays don't dance with boogies so I made it cool for everybody to do it so but yeah because all these niggas was coming over here call it self doing it I remember this you had these niggas on lock now these niggas mine was gone we used to go to the club and rock that's when Dallas was really fun in the club now when I go everybody sit down and just do this and like you want a section I like I get in the section I like to move but you still like to dance what I boogie all the time they know what I come through Spain gonna boogie they see me they look my dug-in they gonna play they gonna do my thing where you got that from was your mom your dad who liked to you know the Dallas boogie they always been going on in Dallas my first time seeing them was from Oak Cliff niggas you know what I'm saying he was the first I seen put it on like a TV screen that watched me do this you know I'm saying me we used to just be in the clubs and after I was popping them towels pull that weed and I just just hitting it and me I just got so good with it I was like damn we could do something with this like take this to another level and my boy Will was already rapping so rule boy was like Will you need to drop a song for Spain so he could hit that whole two in the club cause you see what he do when he go to the club when I go to the club females everywhere it's gonna be live they call my name on the mic I ain't no rapper I'm just a street nigga they just so in love cause I'm gonna get it live I'm on the stage all day we geeked up pulling them things seeing space shows we out of there club one club blue DMX back then original city TI after hours everyday at the club you know what I'm saying we just used to boogie we just turn up that's when Dallas ain't no sitting down in the club and you weren't rapping back then I wasn't rapping yet he rap just a little bit after that so Will dropped that Dougie and we put that boy in club one after he hit that stage got to hitting it everybody was like damn what's this everybody just watching it I just perfected it and put it on a format where you can know you can make money out of this now this is the new era this is the new sound this is our sound nobody sounded like Dallas niggas back then when you hear our Dallas songs you knew okay that's a Dallas nigga was you out there that day when Dougie first came down? yeah I was out there let's go through that for a second just give me a spiel on how that day went when that video was even out that was a beautiful day right there let's talk about it because when Dougie first came to me that day it was like bro I appreciate what you're doing and I love what you're doing coming from the OG and I was like man I appreciate it like I know who you is Dougie you know I'm young I got jammed my mom used to jam me and that made me feel so good coming from him we hit it together you know but how did you know he was coming give me some details what we're going on he hit his son he wheeled up and it was like me and my daddy like y'all song and it was like man hit like the fuck with y'all and we was like bed man we finished with the Dougie video soon the label was asylum he saw them in the cast came through and you understand that every hood is out there that's one thing we did one thing rude they put in our mind like man let's bring the city together every hood is out there no beef no problems just so much fun when Dougie came out there and limo we put him on top of that Caprice it just went crazy it was just so much love and so much fun and the voucher for it was like yeah we don't care they didn't hit that whole thing so that made me feel so good I just turqued up the whole night and it was just so much love that night because everybody was out there showing love now south east west clip and the Grove and like you don't get them too much in Dallas was there any other outside celebrities there that day yeah Dallas celebrities nobody else was anybody out of town was just Dougie yeah just Dougie yeah we kept it just super triple D we were so Dallas man that's one thing I always push when the Canada boogie era Dallas boogie and when I got locked up it seemed like they took that away yeah that's the one thing that this in Dallas is known for is the dance era that's the one thing that's him and hit that we gonna get into that too because I remember back then hit that was coming here as a kid it just all the dance stuff but hit that and then came after y'all yeah they came right after us right after y'all they really seen our format in the same thing we gave them the format we sold these boys like man this boogie is where it's at and they started seeing it it was us fat pimp the trap stars little sign it was like a few of us that all started and we should all be on the road together everybody came after that we see how they doing it it was one of the biggest hits then and everybody just ran out that format and everybody started eating there was nothing wrong with that because we all Dallas niggas and we all gonna get money together yeah and that's live so y'all basically y'all kid big tea parking like that was it a Sunday? was that a Sunday? nigga was it a Sunday? I don't know you remember back in the day Sunday? you know what I just thought about so you travel a lot when you were doing this right? were you one of the groups that went to Hawaii? I was locked up then I was the second to see if you was in that group wish I was there they did that right when I got locked up that had to be hurt for tea that was the tip top of your career we don't get into that I look at you man it's okay that right there was live I definitely if I were you I would definitely be putting me up a video so I'm saying hey I'm back basically in a way to where it don't have to be the way it used to be the new way that they doing things creating that content because people need to see that if this thing ain't popping it's hard to pop you gotta stay on these niggas nicks man and I know you got it so you just gotta come on with it that's what I'm doing I've been working really 60 days cause I was locked down on that monitor 60 days so I've really only been out moving around for like 60 days how many years did you do? 12 years seven months on a 15 year sentence what did you get in trouble for? man doing some crazy shit I soon did got it I here letting these niggas know it's hard to do the same thing and still get off of way less than that well he probably didn't have his gloves on or something nah they didn't do they did it too probably didn't say nothing you know what I'm saying you know I'm tripping off the fact you gotta walk your mouse around here man so let me just be real with you man do we want to get into that going to the prison part now I have a question something else you said you're of Jamaican descent tell me about how how is that? is that you? your grandmother grandfather who? yeah my grandmother my sperm donor he's Jamaican descent I really don't know him like that so you don't know what part of Jamaica or none of that I think probably Kingston cause my sister I know but I don't remember if she told me exactly what part or who it is I need to go out there I really ain't done it yet cause I just really met all of them I just met Jamaica for the first time when I got jail I met one of my little brothers for the first time in jail how many brothers and sisters you got? nine and all how many for your father? like seven and your mom is the other two nine years sister now now my momma is seven now eight on my father me and my other little brother and my momma your daddy was wrong yeah daddy was wrong but that had to be when we was buying weed over there foodies in the south or something this had to be back then it was a long time ago wasn't it yeah you were young I was down there trying to get to it and then Jamaican was over before we ran them off y'all didn't run nobody we ran them niggas off them niggas is not in Dallas no more Jamaicans don't get ran off bro we ran them niggas off no no no I don't stand here boys got a lot of bodies back there they had to get it together there were a few of them that had to Jamaicans killing us, Dallas we had to clear it out I bet they don't do that no more nah they don't they don't do awards they had a whole run they had a whole run here in Dallas they was really I heard Helen Bennett like they was really gonna just they thought we was gonna go for it but no it didn't happen like that yeah it's different now here in Dallas the streets is back in control it's quiet outside right after Friday after Ricky got killed on boys in the hood that vibe you know what I'm talking about so so you go you get in trouble and I don't even know if I want to detail how you got in trouble but yeah I got to because that's how the the whole thing but first I want to get into you and soldier boys relationship you know when you first met him because I met him a few times I had a matter of fact one is labeled people got in his label here a few weeks ago and just want to understand just how you and him how y'all even came to know each other okay yeah because he tried to tape the dug just so soldier boy was one of those guys that really came to try to figure out a way how to infiltrate I heard about this yeah I tried to get hot out something new like I was just was this after he said what was that that he had a song about his chain one time it was a song about his chain no that wasn't that with him you know he stole your song you I mean he so stole your dance moves but he tried he tried he can do it like we this was a step up from you you're right we are one up late night one time on YouTube and my boy rude he made up like bro look at this video this it look like they're so boy trying to do the dug or something he had some song called my swag this video still that was what that was it it's still on there you can see and he I see him trying to do what the fuck you doing and the beat sounded the same so I hit him a message like look out bro you know we did we signed everything copyrighted you can't take that so what you got going on he would try to take the video I was about to copy it and put it back on there so boom like they going up on the comment line you ain't gonna still got us fucked up and like that next week we all got a show together and that one value you my always here with 97 90 yeah yeah there's a jingle jam but we pulled up we are there you know me almost I'm young on some beef shit like that what is that if it's still I said no I'm trying to check something but see he was in the back room he ain't come out don't say no he performed the shit so I go in the crowd like we don't crank that we dug out we bug out here man I fuck that crank that shit I ain't a whole crowd bugging so he can I still do a little something throw some water and shit across the he tried to do it on the slide no no so I get mad I'm ready to go on stage bro like chill chill chill chill so right after that his manager or something can't do like me a soldier would like the song man he really want to fuck the child blah blah blah nigga still also like me a fuck that shit man that fuck him we're on the hill yeah but then bro rule like we get to the house he like damn bro this nigga is the hottest thing smoking in the world right now let's just run the place you know I'm saying that he's he me messes on my space in YouTube talking about how you got love for the Dougie one trying to steal it he really want to fuck with us I hit him back like shit fuck let's work man no another black man to another black man let's eat damn fuck I'll let those shit let's get some money hey you think if you wouldn't have came him that way he would have told you that or he would put the internet where probably went the beef yeah you think if you wouldn't tell him that I came him like that type of love in here not a reason why I say he said he do it he do something the same shit right now like he try to take some after coming about it then he'll try to pull him to his side and try to bring him on he's still doing the same shit now oh yeah okay yeah I don't I think I think he probably would never did say nothing back then he was young I mean but he's still in the same shit now though so like some stuff he been doing back then he still can do it now because he famous so he can grab somebody young and bring him in like I don't I don't I think he would get it differently I think that's how they be getting stuck there they go grab somebody young or look at somebody young take their style and dancing and about it then they'll keep it but it says about it here try to grab them try to bring them on I think a lot of artists probably be doing that too I think they don't know but I think you know you was locked up and there was a time when Goyaio got hot and it kind of was the same type feel where he came and got Goyaio and took him but not a soldier but it wasn't a beef though once it bro so so much love bro let me tell you Richie he so so much love to us because we was going to LA that same week he was in LA performing with Chris Brown then bro did a show at the big-ass stadium in Universal and hit the Dougie at the end and like LA weren't even owners yet and so love then we went to the studio and he did the verse for nothing yeah that's real yeah so love this is the hottest nigga in the nation so that was real that was fly then we did a little YouTube it's on YouTube I'm here I'm showing them how to boogie then we get on there I'm talking like Dallas man this he good man y'all give him a pass it's our love that's fucked with him dropped the birds we put that bitch on the radio and one thing with soldiers working on that bitch he helped us take that bitch to a whole other level yeah and he was hitting the Dougie in the boogie in every video he was in so no same way they wanted nothing after that it was all good you know I'm saying we were fucking around strong you know they want nothing you know what I'm saying you know you guys basically you were hot as hell you you you got ready to you know you was you you got so hot did you will y'all y'all y'all stayed did y'all ever have issues with this whole situation because usually good teams fall out to be honest with you yeah did y'all have times where you felt like them you know or he you know he felt like them you are you know and when I say that I'm just talking about far as the credibility of what's going on with the whole movement you know what I'm saying because it's a big movement yeah I ain't gonna lie one thing about fame and money you see people change yeah you know I've been on broke for a long time you know and like once we started getting a little bigger I seen his head start getting a little bigger yeah you know what I'm saying it was like it fucked me up like what was he when you say that explain give me some give me a you know like bad trying to do shows without calling the squad sneaking out trying to get money to yourself you know saying just doing a little sneaky shit you know saying stealing and doing all type of crazy shit getting mad over hoes you know he ever try to he ever try to cut you out like like all together and say you know I'm just not rocking with you no more or it was always he had to because y'all was so close to knit it yeah it was times we did do that like I met with you I met rude through will okay and rules start fucking me stronger because we asked I don't know he was going through something and we was like what the fuck did he have another team or did he have people in his ear you think I think it was people in his ear he had weenies in his ear you know what I'm saying like you don't need them you like yeah them niggas weak in the business they were dry on some more shit like we got into a situation that came up for one time we trying to promote the album you letting this rat nigga all in your ear tell me let's go open up for Lil Wayne but we post go to yeah I had the issue yeah a nigga named hooded baby okay real rat so so he was trying to so do you think he was a big part of trying to make things go different during that time yeah he was he was a snake you know what I'm saying we thought he was trill then you start realizing somebody around you see they real colors yeah you see that real true colors it's been years now have you ever even asked will did this really happen or is it something you guys just think you think man bro good man we talk you know we brothers I'm asking did he ever break down that that whole time like when these things was going on like yeah they kept saying this or saying that yeah man we had talk he realized like man you know he got too cocky at the time and you know he's like yeah bro I tripped out no we didn't humble he's a humble now there's one that a home yeah man we got right no sound with bro the other day man I told him long as we ain't no blood man said ain't nothing we ain't never told on each other by nothing we can command any beef you know it like that happen it's all good you know that's real that's bro we from the hood that's real man I mean so hood boss to be honest with you you just say he was a snitch or whatever ain't gonna lie to you when you think about just the thing that you guys are doing you know for as far as y'all is it street though is it really street it's not street when y'all went when this stuff happened between you and this guy yeah it was just the point of he not no street nigga like that now he so but you understand what I'm saying he portrayed like he was really going to be about it but street is street right but this nigga if he just cause rappers rap promoters promote managers manage music niggas I really don't it's a difference you know that now since you've been through so much yeah the niggas ain't a lot of now you look at them now they all load the place you like these niggas ain't what we're doing and that what fucked us up I'm thinking the way you coming me talking about a motherfucker song we did that we make no money off of just to let people know I'm rapping you threatening us about you threatening us with guns when you see us you gonna get at us and shoot us like fuck this rap I just started this I was really doing this before this rap and niggas just snap you let y'all let my emotions think for me instead of thinking you know what I'm saying really tripped out didn't realize he ain't really about that life and start screaming and squealing right after that you know what I'm saying and and so this guy here he's he's an industry guy to this day I keep I go back to the industry part because we we cannot make this nigga a street nigga if he don't have street tendency if he ain't did nothing in the streets he ain't real cause that's what he gonna say if you ever if I ever was an interview to nigga he gonna be like I'm not street you know let me tell you something it was a thing with Scarface Scarface Ice Cube it's a bunch of niggas that said I ain't street like I'm an actor you know like these niggas will change on you but the nigga he ain't acting like that this nigga stated claim he's a super game banger now you out here big saying you do this and do this you know what I'm saying just what I see what you portray how do you see now I hear it through the grapevine in the streets the niggas just you go out there LA act like you are just a super goon knocking niggas out that's how Chris Brown they'll start fucking with you they don't really know who use a bitch if it really go down these niggas I mean I don't even look at his Chris Brown I don't I don't think so who the hell is they I'm saying these niggas come on guys you're dealing with a nigga that just did 12 years in the damn penitentiary he went down there to Gurney unit they said you are on the Joe F. Gurney unit these niggas checked this nigga out of the door and he knew he was locked up he went probably to a 24 man tank he got to go see 6-4 at the lunch line the niggas niggas down there rest a real shit but then you come back here and you say well he was Chris Brown or he would you understand what I'm saying I just don't think you get this nigga that much credibility if that's not what he is they need I'ma say they portraying it when they not that's what I'm saying you get it I get it you act like street niggas you act like you're a gangbanger but that's not that's not real you ain't about none of that and I think that's where we got to draw the line on what's real and what's not these guys are not these guys are not like that these guys are entertainers they go out at night with a lot of security they scare it when they for their life nigga I ain't gonna cut your city without the laws I seen a nigga out of the night on the real they showed that one of y'all hardest niggas and I even liked the nigga music and it just showed something like a niggas got to moving fast when he was leaving the stage or something the niggas almost ran up out that whole left of security and everything I'ma what I'm saying but he on the song he go you gonna be like damn that nigga but that niggas not like that he has no credentials to be like that and when I'm in the room with him I can tell you he not like that yeah niggas not so I'm not gonna keep getting any credit y'all do that on y'all I'm not doing I ain't giving them no credit that's why I said the internet I'ma rise that's how they be doing they just they just fake it's just too many people our people getting confused by this stuff for us not to be real about what really going on and when the real niggas get wanting to be too real or get real street they gonna die or go to jail yeah I want to say especially in this industry it's like you if you're a real street nigga you stuck you like you stuck at a fork like damn I gotta stop this streets here so I won't die or go to jail and I'll say I gotta get my mind right then but you got so many fuck niggas around they're picking at you steady saying this they're doing this and make you want to snap but when you go to like like to a job or if you go to get you do your resume you go in you say this isn't me that's what I did you gonna prove yourself this is what make me able to be the one that you need to hire for this job yeah okay let's flip that to street credentials a nigga coming in to talk to you say this is what make me street them niggas paper gonna be blank as hell niggas don't want to take my points they don't have no credentials for this but then when we get in conversation it's like aww these niggas man they you know they he did this he did that but they still don't need streets they got the best lives though without the paperwork they got the best lives though stay out of the streets bro you got the best life out of the streets bro but I really hate you know I gotta say man you one of the guys that you did this time and you went and you know had to sit down like you did man to be the maiden out of that situation it's really something that's a blessing they still got my mind together yeah how was it on joel gurney unit when you that was the first one you hit yeah me and bro pulled up together okay I need to interview him too I'm gonna interview that niggas he coming on boss talk yeah he got yeah he gonna pull up I'm crazy but it was go ahead and tell me about when you first got there and pull it up you know you come when you leave with Terry Catton you know you go to gurney you see beat oh so you like this one this big you like niggas been talking about this whole niggas niggas nervous I ain't scared I ain't scared because niggas really I'm real street niggas everybody tell you from any hood at novy spain by that he a real you had your niggas with you and I had bro with me so when I get out you know it's people that was on the unit at novy I would tell you what's this way so big on niggas the whole clip walk up over niggas huge like my niggas p he like what's up spain I'm like damn what's up I'm like what's up bro I just want to tell you man I know you're broke man I hate you down here but you good you good down here what you need man you got some soup you know they wanted to go to concert when you first get there so I mean I'm so you know you know it niggas have told you already I'm gonna have to do something to one of these niggas I just got here I seen the movie a niggas gonna try something in this hole and I'm gonna have to let that niggas know I don't play yeah but like it was when I got here a lot of love I ain't never had a policy jail okay excessive the whole Dallas everybody's a fuck with me but how was it when you first went in with did you go in the dorm or when the dorm you got your man that seat you ain't got no deodorant you got a rug and soap out of your arms that is real I'm telling y'all you know I'm giving it to him know I want to tell you brush your teeth with a little toothbrush and bleach they give you like is it white yeah the white shit anything like I think it's a game that shit y'all see on this telephones it be good for a minute that shit is real that shit ain't nothing live about that and we went on lockdown it's hot it goes 120 degrees in this bitch yeah cuz when it's hot it's hot and when it's cold it's cold we just don't realize that so we in that hole like damn explain what a journey sack is a brown paper bag there's a brown paper bag with like a bologna and bread and probably a motherfucker egg that's cracked up in that motherfucker that's about it and you come in on that you get three of those a day if you ain't got no commissary your stomach out of there like you gonna be hurting all day you ready to hope you have a pot in there I got a few soups so y'all can bust this whole day I'll take the bread I'll cut the meat up throw it up in the outside try to make a little spread out but them Johnny's ain't what's up so you get in there and you you get yourself in you didn't have to whoop no nigga the first day that's cool at the end of the day but you in here and you like damn man I'm down here damn it hits you then you open your eyes and wake up you're like damn fuck how it did now you're thinking about your situation now you're thinking about everything you did like now you're realizing like damn I fucked up then did you end up that what day when they put you on that trailer and took you out to the field oh man you know we gonna go down tell me about that day that host squad was one AP one hold two hold my first day going host squad I got a case wake up early no they coming 5 36 30 in the morning I don't know what the fuck going on so I get up later they got a case and now going to work I'm like damn what the fuck I didn't know I had to work then you know they need to pay attention a lot of people knew me from the Dougie you know they teach me how to Dougie with hot dance so everybody talk about Dougie so they used to tell the laws about me so I be out there host squad hey Dougie get your Dougie ass up here at all you're the rapper they can fuck that I was laying down you laid it down lay it down a couple times I ain't doing nothing shit I get on my knees throw the hold hold down like man fuck that you ain't even do me like that I'm doing you know what I said cause I was my first couple months I got G4 my first six months they put me in the cage and locked me down cause I wasn't going to work I was like fuck that shit they put in that cage yeah they put you locked down and they take you out of the population you know what I'm saying you sitting in this cage all day only come out for showers you know what I'm saying but they used to try to handle me you know I went to East Texas first when I went Gurney went up to Bonham so the bar is white they call Juneteenth the nigga day up there so they really do you bad like slavery is real how long did you stay in Bonham and how long did you stay in Gurney? I was at Gurney like two months yeah I just transferred yeah I went to Bonham two years when I was in XLG yeah yeah that's when I started getting a lot of cases of hoe squad like fuck that I'm not going to work you're not going cause they just call it out every day Monday through Friday they don't know what rockin on it is that's a hoe don't look up a hoe on google and see what it is and you hitting it all day head high real slavery sometimes they have machinery out there beside it you see the saws they playing games with your mind they got saws out here they got all kind of stuff they could do the work with they don't let you do it you're going to cut down football fields of grass all day then after that I mean how long what's the longest unit that you stayed on while using it I went there out there Bonham two years I went to West Texas for three years West Texas that's where they put you they take you there when you're young you lead there you went to French Robinson? I went to Roach unit okay Roach unit yeah yeah yeah they put all of us out there everybody else from Dallas was out there it was it you know what I'm saying real racist too damn I got cases for having ball fakes yeah they should write this up for having for having ways in our head that's how racist it was they should be tripping I mean you seen a lot of fights you probably were in a lot of fights not a lot but you were a young nigga you got to fight you can't put out a hoe you know what I said represent what I had to represent you know we had to go down there handle some business I had a few fights but I should keep it so cool and player okay everybody should fuck with me there ain't no spain rapping you got everybody that rap want to try to get on you know I'm giving people knowledge so in love so I ain't really getting too much competition unless I had to I should tell the man call me when to get real like I'm not fighting over dumb ass shit like chairs and showers you know what I'm saying I don't disrespect to be dead I ain't even aware about it my own zone on this phone writing these females eating working out and then we gonna skip to the end cause I'm riding there too long but the covid thing when it hitting you was locked up how scary was that for you? I ain't gonna lie I died I was gonna die I caught covid I ain't got jammed up at walls I did an interview after the phone and they call me and they G4 me and covid hit and they felt like I was gonna die cause all they did was keep you in the cell they didn't give you shit they just kept you in the cell ain't know what I'm saying ain't know what nothing they could do ain't just in that shaking can't really breathe can't taste nothing it was fucked up I'm stuck like that for 8 months in that cell by myself that shit was not real at all I don't ever wanna catch that shit again how important was God to you during that time? you know what I'm saying when I found myself I'm an Islamic brother you know what I'm saying it was really important when I found myself now I'm practicing the nation of God's earth so I feel like everything around me I control my own destiny I feel like we all God I feel like God is us God is a part of us the universe controls it all you know what I'm saying I don't knock nobody religion or nothing as long as it all leads the rightest path that's where I go I've always talked this way too everybody's evolving you never know where you're gonna be at any end anyway I always taught an open knowledge for God because that way people can grow and live and love together you know what I'm saying instead of just putting you in a box I follow Christ but I don't knock nobody over here for doing what I do and I teach in a way to where we can all come together cause it all leads us in one path to that God, that Godly way the Godly way you move the Godly things you do get rid of all the devils I don't tell that Tylene service I'm different I love Tylene I'm different bro I gotta go to one next time you will do some speaking like that let me know I did it a lot of different time but at any rate when you think about when you came home now you get your Instagram let's talk about it for a minute you get to this place where you're like I'm here now you knew the Instagram but somebody might have had a phone when you were there you knew what you were coming home to what did you think about it just the whole social media TikTok, Instagram all of this stuff it was crazy because I was like damn I was doing this type of shit before I went it was locked up I used to be tripping and I used to be out in 2007, 2008 recording videos, talking to Boogie out in the open just recording everything from a phone where we used to have them look cameras in but now when I see it I'm like damn this is really what the world involved to and I really felt like I was ahead of my time back then like damn man I really like it because you don't really need nobody but yourself now everybody can be their own entrepreneur everybody can work their own grind it's there for you, the platforms are there and I'm saying it's like it got easier and I see why these people are making so much money now these rappers are making money and Florence is making money people that don't do no type of music are making money they should be tripping me out but they just be booking people I'm like who is that, what did he do he just be on TikTok he just got a long neck I'm like what this shit what shit they brought them down or something who is these niggas it's crazy that's one thing I'm trying to do right now I'm trying to evolve to that level and get with the youngsters you know what I'm saying it'll take a little time I'm still new to it you know what I'm saying but I'm working on that stage just getting there you know what I'm saying who do you like for as a music go right now when you came home oh I came home now I was jamming that mode mode 3 I was like I was jamming all Dallas yeah of course when I came home and in jail I'm going crazy I ain't get mad you trippin D I'm jamming you but like Kevin Gage, J Cole you know what I'm saying I'm like young boy you know what I'm saying a little baby you know what I'm saying I'll be on that um I like Finesse too I like him right now you know what I'm saying because he come from where I came from I love what he talking about man NBA young boy yeah I'm like young boy I'm like young boy you know I'm biased he always scream that knock I think it's because NBA I don't follow and you can't stop him you know I like that about him you got like a cult following the way you can't you can't mess with him young kids love him yeah yeah I see that yeah they love him he talk about some crazy stuff he be jamming though yeah top 3 artists of all time did all I right now? number one I'm gonna go with face mob Scarface I love that Scarface not that nigga but let's keep going don't worry about the lose out nigga let's go zero to crooked I love that zero number two and okay I ain't gonna lie I'm Texas bias man yeah but I'm gonna be real with you that's what I like that's just what I like no what I'm saying is I like to hear that because you from Texas not gonna understand why you would feel that way that's all I'm saying not saying that I don't I don't know about it what they like but number three sweet jones man C-R-P that's what I used to jam that's what I used to jam growing up you hear that I want you to just listen at this ball that's what I just said come back to the balls talk every week I'm gonna hate this baby too kicking it right the day over here so you okay yeah face to one bro greatest rapper alive I can't say that because I didn't listen so I can't speak you need to go listen go listen to me go listen to him all you know is mode three and uh what's that other one mode three who else is it webbit that's his top three I'm from Louisiana so what do you expect yeah I'm fucking them too they would have been up in the so do you what do you want to see yourself in the next in the next year next year? yeah in the next year within now and a year's time I just want to see myself more successful and helping myself and helping my team build into something that we always been dreaming about in the pen like helping build ourself up and helping build the people around us up that's all grow together I'm never never been a selfish person I want to start with my team then I want to really build this city up that's what the entertainment and the music and another thing I want to do is really work mode I want to see a restaurant with my people in there trying to get some food truck going probably just get it started probably in the year it takes time but that's one of the main things when we're getting started trying to get some food trucks trying to help open another restaurant just building the business mode that's it man I got that broke down into my plans I got big things full of goals things I need to do, things I want to do but in that year that's what I really want to do I got a brand and a business a little more what about the music? Are you staying away? nah nah, I'm still rapping I just dropped a single a few weeks ago where the smoke at Big Spang did your A.B. went pretty hard? did you all do a visual to it and everything? that's what we finna do soon that visual is more important than anything we finna do the video real soon we finna shoot little clips right now we was supposed to shoot a couple weeks ago but that Sunday the rain just messed up everything nah nah, when you look at rappers and being victimized like PMB and RIP PMB just to see one where did it throw you where one talks about one dropping his address one wearing his jewelry one getting called out of pocket and not having it on him or whatever what did you think when you heard that happen? I ain't never seen rap be this scary and real like that there's internet down there almost like the streets you can't really post too much and letting people know where you're at and when you stunt like that the goons coming for you it really be tripping me out I gotta record it now and post later cause they coming these people just really watching looking for a come up I ain't seen this many rappers die like that I seen some of them die yesterday I seen some of them die yesterday in South Dallas this was after strap shooting it's literally right down the street you know what strap got shot at probably like you can walk five minutes down the street I can't right there in the middle of the street I'm on the phone with my brother I'm like man why are you probably just flying around here like bro went down the street and landed in the middle of the street the next day after that happened the way the game is now you really gotta stay on point you gotta stick and move I had a little chick I was talking to he wanted to post and put in a location I was like man stop that shit you know what you dealing with you just trying to do too much clout but it's niggas out here that's hungry it's not that she's not in the mind frame of you she's just thinking she in the situation she can have fun, she can post it and have a go she's not thinking of how you're thinking of it I realize that people to where it comes to a point where you can't even go out to a restaurant where a family oriented people people usually would never do this guys people wouldn't just going up robbing people in the front of people in a daylight with their kid there with their kid there you obviously the gangster movies when the kid does niggas put that gun down you remember what Scarface say on there when he seen the kid he killed that other nigga behind there you don't do that with them kids in there man that's what the thing is like the street code is like what happened to him I can speak on that but I can't speak on it what you mean? I can speak on that but I can't speak on it because it never got bro it's like when the kid there it's like bro what can you do it's like if the kid there and everything going on it's like you can't just stop I can't do this what you mean? hold on hold on hold on hold on you gonna die if you do that it don't matter you see a kid there if you going to a restaurant and you see there's children in there and families in there you ain't nowhere in hell you supposed to be in there talking about going in there to do nothing you turn your ass around and you go where you gotta go I can't talk about it it's like I went there and the kid was there like after everything going on the kid was there so I'm like damn so what do I do hold on hold on hold on I try to beg out I try to beg out then I just rang out and I didn't shoot first yeah because he's shooting he's ringing out I understand why but now him like damn the kid here what should I do you want to protect him but then again you gotta beg out and protect yourself too that was hard that means you did a sloppy job and invested in what you were going into you did a sloppy job you should have seen that before you went in that situation you guys are not patient they just doing shit I waited I waited on that shit for like 12 hours we didn't discriminate the hell I did he was in jail right after this episode oh dude this oh damn now you see my cause is off the chain I told you he was coming I'm gonna have another dude it's all entertainment first he just talking it wasn't nothing real y'all that was just that's cap so you got I just don't see how you just you go into a situation and you do know that these guys knew Roscoe chicken who is a family or any place why would you go in there and do this you got kids like that you worthless and I don't think they should be giving niggas no sinners I think they need to be doming them niggas as soon as they catch them they got no more they ain't thinking that way they call themselves demons they don't care they just say fuck it we gonna give what we can y'all stay on point it's sad you gotta walk around here like this all the time then they passing these laws you carry your gun in the west or everybody got gun I just was up there you gotta sneak and do it up there y'all okay that's it it's crazy so niggas sneak and do it up there niggah hell you want to be here especially when you need to get to you get there you better know somebody to have some security bro I had Monica the first time with them say man why is you telling me all this on this camera like this niggah you crazy I ain't flaught you though I ain't flaught you so how you doing bro we fellas we can't be happy bro now listen I'm gonna take myself in any given way I don't care what I'll waste I'll waste I'm gonna ask you bro I know I can't go to killing a car nobody right now who on my car I'm saying bring me a strap I don't know nobody so I'm gonna take my own I'm gonna take my own risk you don't have to do that you gotta talk to me I ain't gonna do no more no more I don't it's a different now I ain't got to but no I ain't know about that time off in the car bro okay well we're gonna we're gonna move on to the next subject man you just mentioned zero while ago and zero your favorite on top three was he got pretty much exposed as getting beat up in a in a in a brawl he was the only one there on his slot and some people alluding to the fact that it was family and some people alluding to the fact that you know it been going on a long time when the behind the scene and just how do you feel about your number two rapper when you when you see something like this happened to him in the midst of everybody on social media yeah man I ain't gonna lie it looked real fucked up they jaded them like that you know I probably fucked the trade before you know what I'm saying I fuck with them know any good people I was like damn that's supposed to be your family your blood y'all should have got that one-on-one somewhere yeah at least line it up yeah like we doing the pin jumping you get here you get down here we go to the next one you know I'm saying instead of putting it in the open like that so you know I ain't I ain't I ain't like I ain't rock how he jumped like that you know yeah it's a whole other thing then y'all older me man man that's the part right there I'm like I'm out there with the strap I'm just I'm trying this whole fighting like that y'all go y'all do that the house you know it's funny because you know old niggas back in the day shout out to where they did now all my uncles and all them I remember uncle got shot in the head my old uncle AJ Luster man I never forget it he used to tell me this story all the time about how he got shot you know by a guy but it was a different type of way that they did they done things back in the day you know what I mean but you will get shot bro by an older man that's all I'm telling you an old niggle is usually the one that's gonna kill you because he ain't got time to do all that fighting I'm being real he ain't doing that no more that's the part was throwing me off like you niggas really out here think y'all had a win that y'all used to have when y'all was 30, 25 niggas you out here trying to fight in the midst of all these folks and you a celebrity and you over 40 yeah that shit ain't lie it just for our people it was a bad look on a whole that's all I'm saying that's the way I looked at it I'm being five months in put I feel they should go and get bro's ones let him get his ones I don't think he need the ones I think they need to try to figure out a way to make up resolution talk about it but I don't I mean huh they can't fight you I think I don't think they need to be fighting because they're old niggas don't have to ruddy bones when they get home you know what I'm saying you know you swing out a nigger now he was 20 you swing now you sit down wrong in your damn leg hurting real so I don't get how they just was out there like we just for the beat like is they in the gym every day they must be they gotta be they went crazy they went stupid on this hell this is in front of everybody you know the boss talk man you know this is where it go down and I love both of the brothers let me just say that because I I met Trey I never met I never met zero but I love both of the brothers cause of Texas the Texas connection puts it in a state where I care about him I didn't like what I seen at all yeah I just I just really like that's your family you shouldn't let no other niggas jump your family I say what you gonna go back and tell y'all people I was hearing them niggas from Atlanta the niggas they jumped it see that that's even worse like that beer I was like what some niggas like yeah them niggas two of them niggas from Atlanta I'm like ah and these brothers didn't do that Atlanta I'm like ah nah these boys they gonna handle it some type of way man I hope they do man I do too I hope it's over with I hope they can figure it out behind the scene nobody need to see that we love yeah hell yeah and we love my boy Dougie D who been on boss talk all them boys man they real that the gorilla whatever mob yeah that was my man what else did I have for you it was one more thing what else happened oh academics academics called niggas that older than you cause he to let you make it the dusty rappers he talked about LL Cool J that you never seen the way you looking you didn't see this yeah yeah academics call all of them dusty and LL came out and said niggas now I got this paper over here pretty much like niggas what dust were but academics had a point though when I looked at it and y'all probably didn't see this but I'm telling you academics say y'all didn't help me get this 20 mil so y'all ain't gonna tell me what to do meaning y'all didn't say y'all didn't help nobody you old niggas got them old deals and them 360 deals and y'all got y'all money and y'all left niggas broke and didn't even show niggas a code or how to deal with that stuff but how they know how to deal with it they got full man Russell Simmons didn't get Russell Simmons everybody didn't so he said Russell didn't help anybody he's saying that basically they didn't give people the knowledge about the music business after they got after they went through all the stuff they was going through when you look back he on his podcast every day giving niggas game these young niggas on independence you know how to make money but he's saying that these guys did not help these people that was around like the ones like the Nellie say he got hurt in a deal like the it's a bunch of them go look at all of niggas deal niggas know how to read right yeah they do so what just read read read the lunch how many people got screwed Spain a lot of people do but you know you'd be so excited to sign and getting that little money that wasn't a lot cause they went in these deals like y'all did how much is that that music video cost that y'all did you think that budgeted for over there that whole had to be expensive over a big tea that whole big back then that was a big number 20,000 yeah and that's a lot and it wasn't even all that see what I mean so there was a lot of stuff going on with these other labels they knew they were shafting you they bring you in on a budget and put you in the hole and they manipulate you and they kept doing it time after time years after years and nobody educated anybody on what was going on yeah cause I ain't gonna lie back niggas don't really understand the contracts when you're that young coming from the street so I'm saying read now cause I don't feel like well I don't feel like let me read that back so I understand why I like to get fucked cause you and that contract be a whole bunch of shit this is overwhelming yeah but I understand why I like to what you're saying about that yeah them niggas should tell all these youngsters coming up what they expect and what to do and how to build on that and how to get better and how not to get fucked they been like them ahead about that they mad at all the old rappers mad as hell at them about that they said that nigga need to be quiet he said he ain't gonna shut up because y'all didn't help me get this 20 mil and he said the B.T. Awards is fake and all that he said because if y'all recognizing the say cheeses and the academics and all them for the culture y'all lying because they the one controlling the culture right now with a lot of stuff that they're doing yeah yeah I see that now blockers are controlling you see what I'm saying when you go to B.T. Awards and you see them yeah and he said but they did they awarded it to puff daddy's new show with that girl on it and she ain't even been around long they did they did award their award at her y'all blockers do control the culture too but you see what I said they awarded their award that is the show no it's a girl that's who they awarded according to what I'm hearing and she just that's money they don't recognize the B.L.A.D.S none of these other folks have been doing this so what I'm saying is it's crazy to me how they would do that but I see why academics got a chip on the show I kinda understand why because I don't know if he want to read this he just get the recognition already he just saying I'ma tell y'all niggas how I'ma do it over here and y'all can listen and y'all can love it or y'all can turn it off so these niggas different out here I'm just telling you that because niggas breaking through different little old situation yeah he got certain people to help I'm pretty sure y'all know that the game we have really different when I was at the DJ's they used to control everything like the blockers whatever y'all put out what the world's gonna put out yeah we're controlling the narrative and y'all can control the music too especially just promoting your people that's one thing I be wanting to see most like let's push our music alright done chief here go chief we gotta done chief that's what he came in here and said what they do needs to do that though I seen that like if we put more music out there we'll blow up everybody wherever y'all from faster okay let's talk about chief for a second before you get off here he came on here and he was like that he was thinking that the blockers supposed to do this and because him and Sean had some issues or what not because it was on the show they both said different things at different times but at the end of the day here we go you know Rain said he was old old rapper he need to have his label by now you know what I'm saying so do you think people should be evolving to a label status or to a status where they should be are these young kids coming into the game yeah you can but everybody got their own lane like another nigga can't tell another nigga what he want to do that's his life yeah you know what I'm saying Rain be saying some shit but some of that shit I'll be like fuck what you talking about man cause that shit be some bullshit like the other day I heard you say fuck city of dollars that really hurt the shit out of me somebody text me and told me I didn't hear it like god damn that what did you say it was I need to go look that up see if you're saying some real shit like Dallas need to come stick together there's work you know a lot of shit going on in Dallas and he was like fuck city of dollars y'all killed the best rapper see you can't get mad at me now listen I gotta come to a rescue no no no listen but y'all understand I love mode 3 mode is repping the hood now I'm saying mode repping my block keeping nation got the nation why I love both we gotta stand bro we're thugging but I understand that too but here's my older nigga catch on it the nigga going through depression and everything that nigga ain't never hit healing time that nigga speaking from a place of hurt yeah I think he hurt you but not like this nigga this nigga with this nigga every day man I gotta play niggas that'll die to Dallas I know that but this is his he on here with a situation trying to talk about something bring it together and it cut the middle trying to bring it together bro in a position you got that power to help us come together but you stand and say fuck this fuck Dallas fuck because he never healed from it yeah okay let's come together and talk about it let's get out of this together niggas like you niggas like shine like chief or like me loot it let's go to every hood let's come together and let's speak on this yeah let's beat this shit stand and say fuck us now wait a minute now you made a lot of money in Dallas at the end of the day here's another one of my little what they call it when you trying to be what they got rich yeah I'm trying to I'm trying to get this other side to be seen we'll just say it like that all right okay it ain't too late now it's not and that's one thing I'm trying to do alive so at the end of the day when you see rain in these situations I feel like a lot of times we'll get mad or figure like because it'll piss you off when a nigga that's almost like a shock statement yes but then at the end of the day then you look at who he really isn't what he been through and what all the stuff that he's pushed in Dallas all this time and speaking from a hurt place but then did a lot of shows a lot of his whole his whole brand rest on Dallas yeah but at the end of the day I think the nigga talk from a hurt place I think the nigga hurt I was gonna do this hurt sometimes yeah well I feel too like you were hurt but I think he should say it like because me I was just so Dallas I already know that I just thought hard and they're paying for Dallas like plug it unplugged TV you're talking about the cowboys like I love Dallas Dallas has done a lot of bad and has done a whole lot of good you know what I'm saying and you gotta see we gotta fix it yeah we don't need to like we don't need to throw it on the side let's get it together and get it right there's just a lot of power out here listen you powerful when I think about you though you rain all you niggas is the foundation yeah all the history yeah your boy rude back there all y'all niggas is the history y'all all the foundation all chief Lou G mr. pookie all of this stuff man gator all of it bowling all of the different this is our history so at the end of the day I just feel like I'm gonna I don't care how ugly the picture may look I'm gonna stand in the midst of it I'm gonna keep trying to press the button to say hey this Dallas you know east Texas hey that's east Texas I'm from east Texas yeah but but I've been out here how old are you I'm put to be 35 yeah see I was you was four when I got out here my whole niggas you know I'm saying but at the end of the and I was in it before you was born I was out in my inner state off Sainah and Beckley been there still there right now for the 50s but at any at any rate at any rate when you look at Dallas and Houston you know this is who we are San Antonio Austin yeah this Texas that's why I love UGK because they rep Texas they had a street down there in Port Arthur called Texas Street and I felt like that street when they were represent that street it made it look like they represented the whole bubble which they did do south but Texas is something else we all Texas you penetrate niggas y'all messed it up y'all down there fighting over the damn games you niggas are down there into you from Dallas now I'm from Houston now I'm from yeah that's a lot of the football team Dallas Cowboys Houston Texans all this stuff keeping us separated we really don't pay attention so we gotta do better by represent everything together and that's why I always push I'm gonna push it like that now I know you being a Louisiana can we love y'all and that's what's one thing we used when we came out with Dougie that's what I used to do me me rule all of us used to do with the buggy we used to sit here and push it like this I sound let's sit together let's run with it and we was doing it for a minute Dallas was running the clubs for years yeah there's like niggas are like nah fuck it niggas just a hate on this shit you can't go to New Orleans Louisiana and talk down on no uh bounce music they repping big freedom can't go to Atlanta talk down on a snap music or a Callie when they was doing their stuff back then that's real and that's one thing I didn't like about Dallas at the time we was tripping on something that was ours like nobody had this I said triple D you know they'll start claiming that triple D throwing it up everybody started rocking with it we started finding ourselves you know what I'm saying when they 0607 and all that era came and that's one thing I used to love back then it's like when the years started going by like everybody wanted to get too gangsta and it's like everybody sounded like people from other states now you can't even tell who's who now I hear I heard some Dallas niggas I'm thinking they from Shotown or something you know what I'm saying we trying to give let's get back to us being us so when they hear us they're like oh yeah that niggas from Dallas oh that's the Dallas niggas even this is dance music singing I just want that sound again you know what I'm saying that one thing we were pushing I used to push it so hard when it came to that boogie shit like for real like we used to be at clubs niggas used to talk down I used to fight and everything I used to step on that and then when I got locked up it like they took the Dallas way and these Callie niggas came and said this done I was just about to say it like Dougie what did you feel about that when you cause it was like you let everybody down by getting locked up I'm being real because but you see it was like because you was holding it at a standard and when you got locked up these boys they wasn't even that strong looking they didn't even look like hard or nothing they just took the Dallas I was like who are these niggas got the song now and you were locked up teaching me how to Dougie teaching me how to Dougie everybody love me you know I ain't from Dallas but I detail boogie no sir that first scene I'm like you like damn that first scene I'm like okay they showing love and then like time went by y'all like really acknowledged it you didn't say my name one time you ain't come to the boogie cane and be like bro we can do a boogie song rapper for y'all you ain't come holler at me about nothing then when I'm down I'm trying to interview them I'm gonna try to interview the one that's still living yeah I would like to sit there and talk to them I might link y'all up I'm trying to figure it out they took the Dallas away from that boogie and just Dougie, Dougie, Dougie Dougie is just a move Rack Daddy is just a move Frankie just a move Ricky Bobby a move Stankin' Lig is a move I'll tell you I'll tell you Stankin' Lig is a move all together is Dallas boogie and that's what I used to push make sure it's St. Dallas so when y'all see us y'all know where we're coming from yeah but you did that everybody that your homeboys wasn't doing that too good cause when you left Lil' Will now I don't know the team was gone we was the nucleus you got here with the vision you got me with the internet Lil' Will with the rap yeah he was the rapper but then when the squad gone it's not the same yeah and then there was some shies and stuff going on during the time so do you think you could I mean and I know this is a far reach this hood guy what's his name? Hood Bob? Hoodie baby would you ever forget that dude? nah, hell no I'm just gonna stay away you can't hold that resentment I don't need to worry about it I can't be around you anyway I can't sit in the top I'm gonna go to jail, that's why I left my parole so just stay away from me stay away from you that's over with I ain't got no beef, I don't need no parlors but if the nigga came forward and said he apologized for what happened and he hate that all that ever happened he changed you wouldn't let the nigga change yeah that's on him, I ain't finna respond to it cause I don't want you to use that against me thinking I try to threaten you or anything that's smart, you know what I'm saying? I'm not talking fuck that shit, that's smart cause you don't understand bro, he used to have the DA in his contacts, really? yeah, like they used that against me in punishment stage, before I they found you guilty and you go to punishment stage we ain't seen him doing All Star Week, I went to jail like right after All Star Week in 2010, he came to my hood to a Dallas Don't Dance We Boogie premiere, you came to my hood 75 and I think that the Royal Studio Movie Grill you know I'm there and I got my hood with me you come in there like you're just a big boss or like you just ain't think my niggas ain't finna do none of you they know you to toad on me so my niggas did what they did so when I go to jail, we go to trial he called me the next day he called the DA and said I held him down I had niggas beating him up I'm 180 pounds 300 something, fuck I'ma hold you down he couldn't handle it I was in punishment stage that's why they gave us 15 years they felt like we was going to retaliate so you and Ruth split up of course, how long did he do I know I'll ask him but how long did y'all both got out at the same time? Nah, he did 10, I did 12 you was in there selling envelopes all kinds of stuff they told you to go to sleep I was tripping down I was shooting dice with them old tissue dice I was tripping y'all, you know it's different reason I was in Huntsville for 5 years they parole reason sucked I got kicked out the union which is another reason they parole they let y'all out they bring you the Hutchins now now they let you out wherever union you on but I had to go to Hutchins because I had a detainer so I took out a free ride to Dallas so I was in Beaumont when you coming back on boss talk man you family now we kicking it over too every kind of you so I can pull up Rudy's chicken he gonna pull up how did you feel when they made that song and said that oh that was the shit, I was in love with that song that's Tom Tom shout out Tom Tom man Tom Zilla don't say man listen I'm all about peace love happening I'm all about bringing it together man we gonna do a skit I'm a sister be up there with two man everybody be up there some niggas came with this out of the video the other day I don't know what y'all doing man y'all talking to me yet y'all gotta start checking in y'all just coming up there holler big spang get this shit together what the fuck is all this shit going on holler man how can people get a hold of you poise lane god Snapchat, chris spain facebook, type in big spain everything poise lane god gonna pop up we love you brother thank you for coming on boss talk did we forget anything boss talk one on one how long are you and Ruben hanging together 2006 that's my brother another brother gotta add on to the siblings that's real I know one thing y'all come at me real crazy when y'all friends y'all niggas came at me crazy we don't get real we didn't come at you crazy my son right here now look at that y'all niggas what are you talking about all three of you all three of y'all real time we ain't trying to text you the whole body one was cool at the football game you gotta get spain on there I tried to holler at that nigga that nigga that's real you should have called you should have been like look bro I don't feel like you that big I don't think I should charge you I didn't say nothing I don't say it like that you made it feel like nah fuck that nigga that's how I feel we didn't even say nothing about no money that's how I feel bro no but when I talked to who was it it was you no no behind you that little nigga that's who got all this going cause he was the one that called he called me he the PR guy whatever he is but the nigga he the nigga should have been I don't think it was him I think you misunderstood him you see why he didn't deal with this what he can't deal with this I can't deal with the type of stuff cause I don't mind this I can't deal with him he's saying no he's saying leave me out of there I'm not a middle man we're giving you a shirt man you found this shit a boy while we were doing the interview I thought it was we just in there tripping but you gotta understand man it's a good time over here I think a lot of people they don't know what the hell going on over here they don't even know we're in Dallas they be like we don't know where them niggas at but they be flying in they love the show man we hero this is a good platform thank you they used to give him a trip earlier cause I ain't got my shirt on you did him a trip earlier cause I ain't got my shirt on you gotta keep the brand on there man but you gotta you gotta get my thing is to get you over here get over here first man don't listen to Rue Rue gonna have your ass way over there somewhere I had another interview and then this camera man he he gonna record it you know what I'm saying yeah I love it too I love the content I told you that already the content is more if I don't tell y'all get nothing else from me on this interview please please put the pitch out there guys yeah content intact content over create meaning it don't have to be pretty it just need to be up please that's the most important thing man hey man say man it's been another great segment of boss talk 101 where the bosses talk explain man