 So it seems like everybody up here has a nickname so Dr. Stedman everybody's been calling him steady and everybody calls you topper Which I love that's amazing. You have to tell me that story how that happened maybe after the interview This will take a little while Natalie so give me a little time on that witness. Let's get into the interview Please okay fair enough, but you and dr. Stedman have a very long history and you've been friends a long time Can you talk a little bit about how you met sure? Actually, I was at the United States Olympic Training Center back in 1977 When I arrived it's very interesting the sports medicine director at the time said listen topper There's a doctor over in South Lake Tahoe that comes over and visits the athletes. This is the summer of 1977 He said you've got to meet this doctor His name is dr. Stedman and this sports medicine director at the time said he's one of the most unique doctors He has ever seen from the standpoint of not only the profession and knowing what he's doing But he connects with people like he's never seen before and so the first time I met dr. Stedman Instantaneously, I said he's special. Wow, and that ended up growing into a working relationship. Correct. It surely did I was fortunate enough to be at the Olympic Training Center part of the sports medicine staff for the for that of the US ski team one thing led to another Met my partner John Atkins in 1978 summer of 78. That's another story. I love it. It's a great story We won't we don't have time and that led to the fact of 1982 and looking at moving to Really to Colorado Springs Training Center from there 1984 John Atkins asked me to become men's trainer for the US ski team and I was privileged and And it was great. And so I look at that and again. I'm getting my dates. Excuse me 1982 Asked me through 1984 this area of olympics. Pardon me. We won't have a test after this So don't worry. No pop quizzes. I promise. I'm just using my white hair as excuse. So excuse my dates here I get a little mixed up, but it sounds like you've seen so much over your career and over the time that you've worked with Dr. Stedman, what are what are some thoughts that you have on his legacy? Well, I think one of the things that at the time when we started very interesting enough the term sports medicine came about and everyone wanted to use it because it was kind of a catch-all term and Truly I look at one of the first pioneers in sports medicine as Dr. Stedman And I truly mean that not only with athletes, but just with the regular person the individuals that came to see him and he had that that that knack and he was always special that way because he could interact so well and Not only that he had a vision and he was he was he was a physician that always looked ahead What what can be better? What can be changed to make it better? And he is a truly pioneer in sports medicine what sounds as though you are both kindred spirits and thank you so much for taking a Few minutes to talk about it. Absolutely. I want to say thank you very much to the Stedman family They've been just heartfelt for my partner Jai and I and they mean a great deal to us and steady God bless you my friend. We love you. Thank you