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CryptoBusery app is basically a software that issues basteries checks and basteries to applicants. Mostly basteries, they tend to be issued constituency level and the county levels. And I think that is the basis of our, yeah. So the software basically works by you input the data from the applicants. So we go to the constituencies that have purchased the software. Then after that we input them to the system. The system automatically does everything and issues, the basteries, print check, checks and it sorts of limits people from stealing. They're stealing that way. Okay, so I want you to get to understand this. So people come to apply for basteries in the, are you working now with the constituencies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when someone goes to the office, the CDF office to apply for a basterie, they fill a form and they wait to be given to know how their status, how they stand, if they're going to get it or not. And now you've come to, you are now in the backlog operation of it. Yeah, yeah. So basically now you take the form and then you input the data, the system. Okay, what happens? If you fill in the form, it gets to a process that is called the approval stage. Now it is vetted by the, it is checked by the chiefs. It is checked by the, probably the pastors, the school heads. They have to establish that you are, whatever you filled in the form, it's what is actually is. But during the application in the form, I think there's usually a place for the chief to sign the form. Yeah, yeah. Actually that is what happens. So after all that process is done, that's when now we feed in the system, feed the data into the system. Once we feed the data, now the system does the rest. It allocates and it allocates the basteries as it's supposed to be. You know, there's a tendency in the constituency, I believe you've been a victim, everyone has been a victim. She's not applying the basteries, but sometimes not everyone gets it. And sometimes those who get are not the people who are supposed to get. Probably the people who deserve to get it don't get it. So the system is issues. It checks for duplicacy. You know, with the manual one, you know, it's easy to give, to issue someone like two times, one ampere, basteries like three times. So the system in Angalia duplicates to ensure that it's, everything is fair. Okay. So how is it better from the old system, the manual system, apart from the, you know, the problem that it's solving on corruption and emitting corruption? What else is it's coming to help with? Now the time, the time of issuing. So initially it used to, the manual one used to go like for like two, three months. So we apply January to October, April, probably May. And why was that happening? Basically now the slow process, you have to approve. Now again you have to vet, you're doing it manually. You take now the names. So the committee was the one who are, you know, checking the names to go on and if you qualify or if you don't. Yeah. So you see like the other process is tedious considering sometimes you'll have like 40,000 applications depending on the constituency. So sometimes you can even get to a hundred thousand applicants. So you can imagine the process behind the manual one. So right now it only takes like a week. Okay. And only a week and everyone is sorted. Now it is in the end of the year. It's quite effective. Yeah, it's so effective. Week is a very short time for you to get a bursary compared to what we're used to. And now what criteria does it use now? Because you know some are in a, in a limit, the bursaries. So what criteria does it use to disbust the bursaries? Okay. The first thing we check, we first of all start with checking your status as an applicant. Probably you have a disability or something of the sort. Next you go to check the parent status. Probably you are a no-fan. So they are classified with weights. We also check the income of your parents. It also checks. Now the other thing is the performance. Because again it's unfair to issue someone who is underperforming. But we tend to, it's an added weight. So it's not really the... You're not measuring on that. Yeah, yeah. But it's an added. And advantage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So it checks also on the performance. Now also the type of school, the category. So maybe you are in a boarding school, a day school. You can be in the, the, the trivets. Yeah, it checks all, all of that. So for example, if you're in a boarding school, you get more than, okay. So the money is actually usually allocated a specific amount to those in the boarding school, high school, those in the day school, high school, and then primary school, and then universities, a certain amount for everyone. Yeah, yeah. It talks to the budget. Now the constituency, the CDF offices, now they determine the budget that they want to issue. So we work with the budget that is allocated. So probably they want some amount of money to be dispatched to probably the day schools. Another batch of it is supposed to be dispatched to the universities and so we work with the budget. So everyone gets an equal amount. All right. And how do you verify these details? Because you've said you use the details. If one is an orphan, you know, depending on if one is more disadvantaged than the, the standard better chance of getting the battery. So how do you verify these details? Is it, do you rely on the form that the applicant has given? Not really. Okay, the first thing that you have to do, it goes on several agencies like the school first. Okay, it's hard to corrupt from the school to the chief to, yeah, it's hard. So one thing if you, by the time we are getting the forms, it is 90% approved. Now the issue, actually the major issue was now the committee, the committee initially. Now the committee, you know, the, if you know someone, then you're good there. Networks, we, connections. So come up connected, you ended up to get, now Sai Hakuna committee, co-involved in allocating anyone or anything. So basically it's the forms. We feed it ourselves, not the constituency. We feed it ourselves into the system, but we are currently working on a virtual, an online one. So where you can apply from any point that you are in Kenya. So this is some, one of the advancement that you're working on? Yeah, yeah. Actually it is already done. We only have to unveil it. Alright, interesting. So now we don't have to go to the office to queue and, you know, do fill the form and leave it there. So you can now apply online. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And what, what constituencies are you working with currently? We have seven constituencies. I'll probably name one. We, we mostly we have been, we started it in Kandahara constituency. Yeah, Kandahara constituency. Now we, we are keeping on moving and we are working on probably, we can get to Kiambu County. We are trying. Okay. And how is the response from when you approach the counties and constituencies? Now we're currently on constituencies only. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How is the response when you approach them? The first time, you know, we are Kenyans. So you know, you are getting to their loopholes. So probably you are kind of, unless you get now the genuine people in the office, they are the people who try and you have to convince them. You have to convince them, you have to convince them that at least it can reduce the process. That's what your committee is doing. So like, you know, you know. So now, committee will lose job. Now that you do that. I'll just lose. They must like, battle, vet, whatever is happening. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we are working with the law. Just coming to assist you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And make the process more effective. Yeah. So okay. So the response depends on the... No, the people you... The people you interact with. Yeah. Do you go straight to the member of parliament? Yeah, first of all, you can go to the member of parliament. And they are people you call their funds managers. You can even get to them, try to make them understand the working of the software. And okay, we have a good... They have been receiving it well. Can't complain. But you have tools like the corona issues behind. So if the whole country has an adaptive system, we can be good. So that's your vision. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To get to the national government. Amazing. And this is actually very nice. And, you know, we can see the transparency or the fairness in the process at least in our education system. And so how did you come up with this innovation, you and your team? And who... Okay, the first guy I can mention is like the technological father to me. I know Robert Kanyoro. He's the guy who actually came up with the idea at first. He has been the vocal guy on the software actually. So for us, we came into the team, added ideas. Mostly we have been working with two of us. Oh, you and Kanyoro? Yeah, Kanyoro, yeah. He's the CEO of differential systems. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And when did it... was it birthed? Around 2020. 2020, yeah. 2020 and it started its operation in? 2020. 2020? Yeah, we had the idea but we, you know, you keep on advancing. You know, the COVID break, it gave us time to like restructure the whole system. Yeah. Initially, we used to like assist you and they had the applicants. Now we used to feed them in an excel sheet. You know, that was our tedious work. You know, you feed it to an excel sheet. Now you have to determine who will do it. You know, you're given by the committee. You're supposed to like now do their arithmetics and ensure that whatever you're given, it's what will reflect. You're feeding. Yeah. So what technology then are you using behind the system? We have... it's a complex algorithm. I can see it's an algorithm that is working behind the system. No, they... it's a trade secret. Oh. I hope. I have the talk. I have the talk. Okay, okay. We'll keep it that way. Because I think we are the only guys who are doing the BASA system in Kenya currently. So it's actually an invention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By you. Yeah. Well, that's very nice. So what is it about innovation and solving problems? So basically, first of all, you can start by saying innovation is like you coming up with a new idea or improving an existing idea to make something to be less tedious or to be more advantageous when you're doing it. So that basically the innovation, like you... The foundation of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Find our problem, find our new means. And you get to learn these things with the challenges that you're facing. But you have a background in tech. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what are you studying? I was studying in campus. I was studying mathematics and computer science, pure mathematics. Okay. Do you want to do any innovation or come up with that invention? Is it necessary that you have such a background? Not really, not really. One thing I can say, we have gotten into a point where everything lies in your phone. Google is the biggest invention that I can say. Because right now with Google you can search anything. You have resources online. We are an example of China. You know, China, they are the guys who are leading us in probably their phones, whatever. You know, if we as a country can adapt the system that China uses in innovating and stuff, I think we can be far much ahead. There's a database that contains the process of the biggest innovations in the world. China is one of the summaries of it all. How many mobile phones? I'm sure there are mobile phones in the African market. It's not like China. True. I would say that if you want to use anything, you are free to use whatever it's been done. You are free. Only that will improve. An improvement is your idea and it's your innovation. To make it better. Yes, you can patent it. Just come up with Apple in Afananga. You can go and make your own phone through the database, the information they gave to the database. Interesting. So now do you have a patent on this system that you've developed? Yes. So no one can steal it? No one. Okay. So if you don't have a patent on it, it's okay. We still understand. Are you going to make any further advancements to it, apart from the online incorporation that you have added to it? Yes. We are now using the AI. We are advancing in terms of whatever we are using. So now you don't have to stop where you started, where you are. We have been using the AI to learn the data. So later on it was automatic. And we are even integrating with blockchain where we use Oracle and some code, small code, they are called smart contracts. But you basically need, if your conditions are met, we even don't have to rely on this. You know us to feel anything. I'm not to manipulate anything like Conga Lea team, some majors or anything. When you apply the conditions are met, you issue it with the bus side. I think in future that is what will be happening. Alright, interesting. So you have incorporation of AI and blockchain technology to it. Do you want to speak a bit on blockchain technology? For someone who doesn't understand how it works. Yeah, yeah. Okay. The simplest way. Blockchain, I can just say the new technology. It's an emerging technology now to us, but it has been there. It works in terms of nodes and networks. So it is more secure, like the system that we are having right now. And it uses tokens. Those are things called tokens. But I think that is the simplest definition. But it's an enjoyable field. It's a new field that is coming up. I think anyone who has a lot of knowledge will be able to do it. Okay. Do you talk with us some other time again? You come and speak on blockchain technology. Yeah. As we come to a close on this, are there other systems that you have developed, you and your team or you on your own? Yeah, we have worked on a lot of systems. But only to mention, like, we had a tiling system in the previous general election that just concluded. So, basically, for us, even we had the tiling, even before they got to the constituency tiling centers and stuff, we, like, have a... You already knew the figures. We had the figures. We created systems. That is one. We have other management systems, like school systems, where we helped the school to manage all the workings. Now, we even are working on management. If you have a project, you have a construction project, anything, you can track your project. Now, if you can reach us out, we can give you the system. It's already done. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So, what can people... As we come to a close on this, what can people find you? But before you tell us what people can find you, what are you looking for? What is a vision for you and your team in future in terms of where you want to see the technology landscape or in Kenya and where you want to see yourselves? Okay. I can start with the next five years. We, like, want to get to every sector. So, we are after every sector right now. So, from the banking, all the way to education, we are after big sectors. And in five years, we just want to have gone to over 20 sectors. Amazing. And where do you see Kenya is at in terms of innovation? Are we giving the youth more opportunities to be innovative? Is the government and stakeholders giving room for people to be creative? First of all, I have to start with critiquing the education system that we have. We are basically everyone. To the end of the year, with the system, we are trained to be employees and not really to think about what we can do other than being employed. I can tell you for a fact, I've never applied for any job. I've never applied for any job. So, what are your skills? My skills are soft skills. They are the best thing. But the government, they are playing their part, but we are really behind. So, what is needed? The government needs to bring up to a lot of research centres, more experts, we have experts. We have people on the intellectual properties, like how to patent your things. I don't want to mention companies, but there are some companies who get to campuses, secondary schools, whatever. Now, if you have a big idea, they tend to take you away. They want to pay you back. Then they take your idea. They end up patenting you. So, by the time you talk to them, your system is working out. It's not under you. Now, the other thing is about the finances. In Kenya, by the way, I can tell you for a fact, especially in a place like Jaguars, there are a lot of ideas, innovations. But now, pitching to the investors, I think that is an issue. It's a challenge. I hope in the future, Kenya will adapt, whatever system we can be, like pooling funds for innovations. Because currently, you might have a big idea, but less finances. Okay, and we have the potential. We have the potential. Actually, Kenya is a leading country in terms of technology in Africa. In Africa, yes. So, adoption is really quick in Kenya, smart guys. Not only in the US, but in Kenya, from Kenya, to Kopua. So, we just need the support and backing of the system and the finances and all that. And education, more vocal, at the lower levels of education, in the primary schools. So, is it a side idea? It is a side idea. Awesome. Okay, thank you very much for coming on. Will you tell us where people can find you on social media? You can reach us out on our e-mail, differentialsystems.co.ke. You can... I'm not in... Siko or Facebook? Hi. Siko or Facebook? Or tech? Okay. You can reach out to me on my number, 0717, 83480. And the only guy, the one guy in Facebook, I wouldn't recommend is called Kanyoro Duku. Duku Kanyoro. Your partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy is a person now you can reach to in case you want to reach him on Facebook. On Twitter, that is now me. Now stories are... cryptocurrencies. That is what now my Twitter is all about. Okay. You're in social media like any business. Now, what are you doing? Social life. Social life. Okay, thank you very much Eric for coming on board and sharing with us your new innovation. We definitely wish you the best as you explore the whole of Kenya and add to help the system in terms of the bursaries. Yeah, yeah. Thank you very much. So that has been Eric Kenuthia who's the lead crypto analyst and software engineer at differential system, a company that has come up with a crypto bursary app innovation. That is all we have for you on Sport on Tech but we are not done. Calamity Val is coming up with some great interviews on music and lives also. You don't want to miss that. We take a short break. We'll be right back.