 All righty, welcome back to another episode of the Law with Lawson. Now, normally in the control room is Eric, but today we got Melissa back there running the boards for us. And we're going to continue on with our, my discussion of corruption in Hawaii, right? So last week we talked about that misce indictment. And this week, you know, was out in the papers, Civil Beat did an article and I think it may have been in other news that the fares are back in town. What I mean by that fares have never really left town, right? Our local US Attorney's Office, Kenji Price is our US Attorney here in Hawaii and Dited Misky and his little crew. Right under RICO conspiracy last week. But it was Michael Wheat, who was from San Diego, I call and his assistant US attorneys along with the FBI from California that came in and did the indictment with Louis and Catherine K. Loja. And now remember that indictment has spun into all kind of investigations. Keith kind of sure is under investigation. The city attorney, attorney for the city, Donna Leon, right? Got a target letter under investigation. Their prosecutor Chad Sopolo, I think that's how you pronounce his name, who's been on leave, pay leave along with Keith and Donna. We've been paying on every since they received their target letters and have not been actively working their jobs because they're under investigation. And so what does it mean for the fares to come back from Michael? I call them the Avengers because, you know, when I was when I went down and watch that care low high trial. And I said, through every day of it. And so, so, you know, Michael Wheat, I can't remember the names, but I gave him each like Michael Wheat is like Captain America, right? And then they had this one guy, he did the clothes and argument. And he and so remember it was the prosecution against five defense lawyers. And I'm going to talk a little bit about the K. Loja case in a second. But it was like five. I'm talking about it now, but we're going to get into more of all this corruption going on Hawaii and how it could relate to this K. Loja case. But anyway, so yeah, close an argument you had, you know, the US Attorney's Office, Captain Wheat and his Avengers going against five defense lawyers. And in the closing arguments, man. I can I do not remember the name of the assistant US Attorney who was there helping Captain Wheat and his team. But he was like the Hulk you ever see any of the Avengers when they when they tell Hawk to go and just smash smash off right he was smashing. So anyway. So they're back in town. So what does that mean? Keep in mind you got Miski got indicted and his enterprise got indicted last week or two weeks ago. And then this past week, last week, obviously, it's reported that Captain Wheat and his Avengers are back in town. Right. And so what does that mean for corruption in Hawaii and hopefully, like I said, they get to the bottom of all this corrupt crap that's been going on for years. And you know, I said this last week, man, you know, Miski now couldn't exist. Had it not been for people on high ranking places. You don't, you know, you don't do some of the things they're accused of doing. We're going to talk a little bit about this next week because I'm continue on with a brilliant update on, you know, some of the allegations in the Miski case. We're going to talk a little bit about the death penalty. What does that work? And should it be allowed to work here in Hawaii, even though it's the federal government bringing a death penalty Hawaii's outlawed the death penalty since 1957. So anyway, let's get back to it. And so, you know, again, this goes back to like to admit 2000s and I'm going to bring you a little bit up to date. You know, we give you a little refresher course in the Kloha corruption trial, and then how that kind of spawned off into some of these other things to kind of give you an indication on why it is that you're going to I believe you're going to be seeing more indictments against Keith kind of sure or maybe others. And we'll get to that. So, you know, they only give me a half hour here on think tech. They said so you got to get it in can half hour. You know, I like to talk and give it to you raw. So I'm going to feed this law to your raw. And so let's go on to the next slide. Right. So here's what happens right. I don't know. So, you know, I watched some of these cable news shows and there's been this commercial with time selling. Remember, Tom used to play Magnum PI here in Hawaii. But he's doing these commercials for reverse mortgages. I didn't know what reverse mortgage was. So I got involved in this Kloha case real quick because they tell me I only have a few minutes. So real quick. Here's how this starts. In 2009, Kat Kloha, and obviously Louis Kloha was married. Louis became the chief of police, which is, you know, we'll talk about that in future shows too. You know, how does he, how did he jump from being the police captain all the way to the chief of police? And at the same time, Catherine is working for the city and County of Honolulu. Right. And the environmental protection part of, right, she had to sign off on all this rail stuff. Right. And I think she got that appointment to movie. Who wants to be the mayor again, but All right, so let me, let me stay on point. Y'all going to get me distracted. So much corruption. And so anyway, so people kind of question that, but that's not for this show. Right. How did Louis become, you know, what was it? Was it what they call a quid pro quo? Y'all heard that. Right. This for that. Kat becomes this environmental protection head of that department. Well, she has to sign off on all these places that the rail is going to go that they had been. They meet whatever state requirements they are for the rail to be built in these particular areas. And at the same time, Louis gets to become chief of police. So, you know, again, so at that point, let's go to the next slide. If we can. Well, and don't pay attention to that slide. I went too fast. But anyway, leave it, leave it up there, Melissa. So what happens though is, is that Gerard pro on who is Catherine's uncle. Had an apartment had a condo that where his first son was born, he over the years he lost the condo and he was helping his elderly mother and father out. And in the early in the late 90s and early 2000s, so he's living in a home with mom. And at some point, the condo was up for sale. Gerard's father passed away. So now it's just Gerard at home, taking care of his mother. We call her grandma. As Catherine's grandmother. And again, Gerard is her uncle. And so George sees that the condo where his first son was born at is up for sale. And she goes to to and tells cat, you know, I saw that the condos up for sale. You know, I really would like to purchase it, but I just can't afford it. So cat comes up with this idea and she goes to grandma for one and says, look, you know, I know how to get that apartment. I mean that condo, you can take out a mortgage on your house, and we can purchase the condo with that. And grandma's like, no, I'm not taking out a mortgage on the house. I promise my husband, your grandfather cat that whenever I pass, you know, the family house will be sold. And it would be enough for all of our children to have from from our, you know, our will to take away and have a better life. So I'm not going to put any mortgage on the condo. So that doesn't deter cat. And if you any, you know, so cats undeterred, the next thing she know, you know, she comes back with this reverse mortgage broker to grandma. And she says, look, if you take out this reverse mortgage, Louis and I, we can buy Gerard his condo Louis and I need to redo our house, you know, he's the chief of police now. And in six months, after we get our house upgraded, we're going to get a second mortgage on our house, and then pay back to reverse mortgage. So you will, in other words, grandma, we're only going to be borrowing this money for you for six months. After six months, Louis and I are going to pay it off back. So somehow, they taught grandma doing this not Gerard, but cat talks grandma to doing this she gets reverse mortgage. And a couple of years later, grandma finds out that reverse mortgage is not being paid. In fact, nothing's been paid. And so she writes cat a letter saying, look, you know, I've been trying to call you. I want this, you know, this mortgage taken off of my property said you're going to pay it back you haven't. Each time I try to call you won't answer your phone it goes to voicemail, you're been avoiding me, etc. And so she, she writes cat a letter basically saying, look, if you don't pay us back this is like three years later. If you don't do what you promised you're going to leave me no choice, but to have to sue you, because I cannot, you know, leave our property in this condition. So next thing you know, instead of cat just saying grandma you know what I messed up I can't afford it right now what have you. She writes this and you can see it on your screen right this is just portions and the prosecutor captain week. And the in the trial that went on last summer where cat and Louis and other three defendants were prosecuted for setting up Gerard Poana. These were some of the excerpts from cats letter back to grandma remember grandma's wrote the cat say cat you know I want to sue you but I will. You got to get this done taking care of so instead of cat doing the right thing she she sends back all these threatening stuff in this letter. Right what does it say. I've never will never or would never borrow take or even request to borrow any money from Florence Poana. This is her grandmother right. And they will rule the day that they decided to state these twisted lines so she threatens on grandmother grandmother ain't done none to be nice to her. So let's go on to the next slide. So so what happens. So grandma and Gerard sewer and and and here's the practice everybody kept wondering why the hell with cat and Louis claim that this guy Gerard Poana why would they say he stole a mail box why would they set him up. I mean what do they get out of it right. So here's what happens. They sue cat. Right. And so cats lawyer they start finding out his dirt on cat when they're doing the civil suit to try to get her to pay the reverse mortgage. And so cat knows it so you know cats. If you ever get sued you may be taken down on what they call a deposition right deposition. You know the judge isn't in the room but the lawyer. It's on the other side soon you can ask you any questions under those there's like a court reporter in the room taking down everything you say under oath or if you sue somebody. Right. And you want to take their deposition. You want to find out what they're going to say before trial starts that's what the purpose of the deposition is this is what's called discovery I want to discover what evidence I can before the trial starts so I can use it to help in my case. So you if you sue somebody normally you're deposing take the deposition so cast getting a deposition taking the same day. The cast getting a deposition taken. When they start they decided they're going to have to set up maybe not the same day but this is when part of plan to set up Gerard when in the action because they had to at least try to make him look bad in order to protect cat from being found out to be a fraud for stealing grandma's money. And get into that bank account. And so that was a catalyst this civil suit was the reason why I don't have time to get into it all. But this was the reason why a cat and Louis and others decided set Gerard up. And so what they decided to do. And the mistake they made was this. Remember the deposition the cat was at this was in June of 2013. And that deposition. It was held at a big office building downtown. And so grandma was there Gerard was there when they're getting ready to leave. Bobby went who was a police officer that was also involved in setting up Gerard point who was also convicted. In this case last year walks up to grandma for one grandma for one a new Bobby when because he had been married to cats. Needs. I know this is getting complicated. So what kind of soap opera is this awesome. So anyway, so this part is important. Grandma couldn't remember what color car that Gerard drove because Bobby when asked her at that deposition. You know he was down. They were downstairs in the lobby and Gerard wasn't around. He was out. He went out to get the car. So Bobby sneaks over to grandma says a what color car to Gerard drive. And she says white. Ashley drove a silver car. Okay. And so Bobby gets a car color wrong because grandma made the mistake. And so what is the reason why that's important is because on the night of June 22. I mean June 13 is when cat claims and you all saw the video if you did not show it to you at another time. Cat and Louis claims somebody stole their mailbox. Now you see the mailbox right there on the screen. They claim that there's somehow the mailbox is stolen at that point. Just taken. And they had this white car on videotape drive up. And somebody gets out the car takes the mailbox puts it comes right off. Right. They didn't need no screwdriver. They just flop it right off as if somebody had purposely kept it there. So gets in the car and drives away. Next thing you know they claim that Gerard set them up by not second but Gerard is the one who stole the mailbox. And Gerard gets arrested. And for and you know he he's charges still in the chief of police and the second highest rank and prosecutors office mailbox. And what happened was Gerard went to see his public defender Ali silver. And he kept telling Ali silver look I'm innocent and Ali started believing it. Not that he never did but you know he started believing. And so what can we go to the next slide. And so what Ali was able to find out keep in mind that mailbox the cat had was stolen. And so cat called the police and the police these are this also the can to the cats house the next day. After the mailbox had been stolen. Right. Louis Louis says a cat you should call the police or mailbox is gone cat calls the police now this is a roof. So the officer that comes to take the report he doesn't he's not in on it. He's honestly coming over there because he thinks somebody stole the chiefs mailbox. And so what cat and Louis tell that that police officer who's coming to take the report he wants to know how much was the mailbox worth. And cat says it's worth over $300. Why is she saying that because in the state of Hawaii, if you steal an item that costs more than $300 it's a family at that time in 2012 2013. If it's under $300 in Hawaii. It's a misdemeanor. So she wanted to charge her uncle with a felony and send his ass off to prison. So she said it was worth more than $300. And so what Ali did was he kept trying to figure out what type of mailbox it was. So he used Google Maps. And if you all have never used Google Maps before you can go back into Google Maps. And you go back years. And you can actually see your own property on there. And so Ali went back a few years to see what kind of mailbox it was got pictures of it off of Google Maps. Also collected pictures from family gatherings. You know, he asked around with you guys ever over at the house if you have any pictures, you know, being taken outside. Yeah. And then some of those pictures was the mailbox the cat claim was stolen. And so Ali contacted the manufacturer the mailbox and said, you know, I want to get a copy of this mailbox how much is it worth. And it was worth way less than $300 or like a hundred some dollars. Right. And so what Ali found out was that the mailbox the cat reported stolen it was worth more than $300. It's not the same mailbox she had on her property. And that's when they the fair started really started looking at this anyway. It went to trial December 14 it being what the charges against your opera on if we're stealing the mailbox went to federal trial. There was a mistrial declared because Louis Kahlo I got on the stand and intentionally created a mistrial. So I'm saying all that to say this I'm trying to speed up it's a whole lot more to this but I'm kind of just giving you guys a refresher course. And if you liked, you know, when you see this video up on YouTube put in the comments column. Can you please give us more detail and upcoming video and I'll do it. But now back to this. And so there's a mistrial declared in December 2014 when Louis gets on the stand and intentionally throws a case. Why because he didn't want Ali Silver, who had already uncovered all this crime that the Kahlois has been involved in. He didn't want Ali Silver to cross examine cat Kahlois. So Louis was like the first witness or second witness, but he was before cat. And so he caused a mistrial to say cat from being put to cause examination. Next thing you know Ali took all this out, you know, the public defender took all the evidence to the fairs and said, look, this was part of my defense. Here's why I think what they did was illegal affairs looked at it and said, gee, man, you're talking about the chief of police. And there's high market prosecutors that and that's when all this started unraveling. Okay, so now go ahead, Melissa, let's click on to the next one. Oh yeah, so you know so even after they started getting investigated. See what the Kahlois was known for doing was threatening people. And so here this is a picture of Chuck title Chuck Chuck was the head of the ethics commission he was investigating the Kahlois. And what was the investigating the surveillance video and the cameras and all this surveillance equipment that was on cat and with Kahlois house was put there illegally at the request of Louis in other words it was unethical for him to have the police department use official Hawaiian equipment to put all this surveillance stuff at his house. Right. And so they started investigating that and other things. And so what the cat and them do, they sue the cat they sued the Ethics Commission. Now, what occurred car well the mayor, Mayor do he didn't back the Ethics Commissioner. The new people to the Ethics Commission that they got rid of Chuck title and his assistant. And they started investigating Chuck at the request of the Kahlois. Right, which, you know, kind of raises out like why, why are you protecting them. You know isn't part of the Ethics Commission job is to investigate and you know ethical violations. And so I mean, yeah, that was messed up so anyway. And let's go ahead and skip through. Let's go to the next one Melissa next. And so that's grandma her testimony ended up getting the K law has convicted. Let's go to the next one. They are. Okay, so now for out of the five defendants was found guilty. The only one that wasn't found guilty. And if you go back and look at my tweets at real Ken Lawson on Twitter. You'll see back even back then I was predicting that Gordon cherishing he was the one that would be found that guilty. Because there was no evidence on him. But the other four cat Kahloha Louis Kahloha. And the other four were convicted for conspiring to violate the civil rights of Gerard. They're still awaiting sentence. So now while that's going on, let's go to the next one. And that's just a slide showing you how much how much it costs just to prosecute them. You know the suit from the Ethics Commission cost you see all that. I mean, hundreds of thousands of dollars. The chief of police $250,000 to retire. Go ahead and click them to the next one. Please listen. All right, so now, now do not it's time right to grand jury started probing in on Keith kind of share on this safe house. Right, Michael we started to pin in people back in 2017 to come to the grand jury. Okay, just say what are you talking about safe house Lawson. Can you click to the next slide. All right, so here's what I'm talking about. So this lady named name Walden and her partners purchased this property at the end of 2013 for $4.5 million. Okay. And then the next year Keith kind of sure about that property for a safe house for women that were victims of domestic violence to live that you know so they charge somebody with domestic violence they're afraid to be home these this apartment complex, this building, this safe house was to provide women and their children a safe place. So they could be able to prosecute their their people that were committing domestic violence against them and be able to do that from a safe environment. All right. And so, again, Walden and her partners purchases property in 2013 for $4.5 million. The next year Keith told one of his assistants to purchase that property within one year for $5.5 million. Right, and so we asked Walden and others, whether she thought there was any particular anything peculiar with the fellow investors $100 million profit and such a short time frame. You can go to the next video. I mean, next slide please. Right. And the lady was like, no, you know, we didn't. It's unusual but we didn't find anything peculiar with in other words, the Keith and now get a kickback already did they use this. And where they involved in purchasing the property in 2013 with all those being planned. Okay, we're going to purchase this property. And then once you purchase it, once you purchase it for 4.5 million, I'm going to tell the city to buy it for 5.5 and we all going to make some good money on this whole deal. Right. And so who was involved in that deal. And so, you know, again, that's one thing that's being investigated by by Captain Michael wheat or us attorney Michael wheat and his his crew. Let's go to the, no, stay here. So I don't lose leader turn is also possible target that's that's down on Leon. Right down on Leon is the one going clip to the next slide for me Melissa down on Leon is the one. Who helped Louis K. Loha get his $250,000 bio and was civil civil be our local one of our local news agencies here what they did was they sued. The city and County of Honolulu to undo the records to show why was this deal with the police commission, the police commission approved that Louis K. Loha get $250,000. This is after this man had been in. I mean, this guy, he would look the chief police was under a federal indictment at this time for conspiring to set up Geron Perrana. Right at that same time he's underneath that indictment. They decided what they're going to do is is is getting 250,000 may never heard of no shit no stuff like that before you're going to pay this man $250,000 as a bio. And so and do it in secret. And so then the next thing you know down on Leon the head city attorney got a target letter. And so all that's been investigated now Louis K. Loha had agreed that if he was convicted, he would pay the $250,000 back within six months of his conviction. And we ain't seen a dime of our taxpayer dollars back. And so again, they tell me I got like a minute left. So let me in. And this, this is going to be like part one. I'm going to bring you a miski update next week to but I want to continue this because there's a lot of things that you have to be on the lookout for when we talk about this corruption going on in city hall and here in Honolulu. Because if you think that miski name existed for all these years committing all these loud crimes and right out of thin air and what nobody help him. Hey man I got a bridge I want to sell you. Right. We need to figure out how deep this is going. And so, again, we'll talk a little bit more about it next week, but you know you still got down on Leon you still got this, this cell is building this going on. Right you got the rail being investigated remember the fair starters opinion these about real. And so we're going to talk a little bit more about what could Michael we and his avengers be doing back here. And also how does that relate to the miski indictment. Is there evidence from some of these individuals in this miski criminal enterprise that can also link back to some of our local politicians. All right, so hey look I told Jay Friday or Jay say a man you want to come and do a law show the law and law so I said yeah Jay if you allow me to feed it to him raw. I'll give him a law if you allow me to feed it to him raw he said well come on with it. And so I'll be back next week. Melissa and I will be bringing you the law wrong. But until then this is Professor Lawson saying have a safe week where your mask wash your hands, and I'll see you next Tuesday.