 Sorry, my name is Omar Santos from the Red Team Village and with me I have Nigel and Hiniu. So Nigel if you're reminding introducing yourself Yeah, sure. Oh, thanks for having us appreciate it looking forward to working with you guys again We're very excited. My name is Nigel Leblanc And I'm the CEO and founder of cyberware network and joining me today is our CISO Hiniu Chouer Just a little bit about me. I am an Air Force member. I've been in the Air Force I'm going to him 21 years. Yeah, I'm old. So go to 21 years. I did 10 active and the the last Like almost 11 in the reserves And how I kind of got into cyber from 2014 to 2016 I served as the cyber veteran program manager for the state of Maryland And you know part of my job there was to help vets launch businesses and careers within cyber So that was kind of my foray into the business of cyber security now I'm not your ones and zeros guys that that that'll be you know, Hiniu and and and the rest of our technical team But just happy to be here man. So Hiniu you want to tell tell them a little about yourself brother Yeah, everybody. I'm Hiniu Choua. If you don't know I'm the CISO over at CWN I love everything hacking security-wise. I've been in this industry for 20 plus years grew up in the IRC channels and back ends of pretty much the deepest city as places But yeah, that's that's really the the go you can you can go and find my story at dark net diaries or any of those wonderful outlets But that's me. I work right now in the Hospital industry in the healthcare industry Doing incident response on the side and I do of course CWN stuff. So lots of fun stuff Awesome. Thank you guys And you know glad to have you here and you're being part of the red team village for quite some time supporting us in many many events So for dafcon 29 Can you give us a somewhat of an overview of what we are expecting with cyber raid? I heard that you guys are giving a thousand dollars to the first winner plus job interviews and several other Prices as well. So can you go over that and I guess I'll pass it back first to new Nigel Yeah, so but before we talk about what's happening this year. Omar. Let's talk about what happened last year, right? Um, so when we worked with you guys, um, that was That was an amazing experience and we learned a lot, right? And you know at defcon you got to learn real quick, right? Um, so it was somewhat of a litmus test for us But so last year we took the top 25 and I think was like a little over 340 50 people registered and you know over 200 participated So we took the top 25 and they interviewed with companies like google hulu healthmark Um, and that was like our proof of concept so to speak, right? So, you know start up mode and then you got to go out and validate these hypotheses, right? And out of the um, the the top 25 there was a 14 year old girl, man I don't know if you that you guys didn't know there was a 14 year old girl who placed himself 25. Yeah. Yeah, so Even more exciting We're going to be featuring her and her dad who both played the game last year and they placed so they're going to be featured um it within the stream this year and um, they're going to be back to play and um, and she's also going to be um, uh, the 14 year old girl will be on We'll have a conversation with the siso From one login, you know and and and women in cyber. Um, so Um, we're pretty excited about that. So fast forward this year, right? Um for guys for the the old don't know um Cyberware and network We have positioned ourselves as the First true cyber esports league, right and our game cyber wraith You can think of it as call of duty for ethical hackers. It's pretty cool You know, you get to to to to hack drones cell phones you complete missions And the storyline is amazing along with the graphics, right? Very, um interactive intuitive And you can tell you a little bit more about the platform the capabilities and the gameplay itself But what we were able to do was we've matched up the actual gameplay So while while players play the game we validate their knowledge skills and abilities and we match them with the real world Our opportunities, right? So we've we created these triggers within the game and We have this machine learning algorithm that matches the gameplay and the player's performance to not only the nice 2.0 Framework nest but also the cyber kill chain and matters miters attack framework, right? so We are we are essentially taking the The cyber talent industry and we're kind of gelling it with the whole esports league, right? And we precision ourselves that way. So, you know, it's It's it's kind of esports of a purpose, right? So this year we're going to do similar to to Setting up these interviews for the top performers. We're also giving away a thousand dollars for the first prize $500 for the second prize And $250 for the third prize along with that. We have a whole bunch of swag We have some pretty cool T-shirts that stickers and everything that we made Or as you know, you and I and he knew we will be part of the team that will be in vegas and then there will also be an online presence because Defcon is is a hybrid this year, you know some virtual and some in person So, you know guys, if you all are going to be out there, definitely stop by and check out the game, right? I'm sure you you you'll be very impressed with what we have going on I'll turn that over to heenio to talk a little bit more about the game and the capabilities and and stuff like that Okay, so let me just start off and just Kind of blow everyone's mind real quick I wanted to kind of take a step back and realize a lot of what just got said and one of the biggest things on that It's it behind this game is not a simple little filter Okay, here this equals this equals that the team at cwn has spent a lot of time on this algorithm So that we're not you're not going to get these. Oh, you're perfect for this match, right? And it's like a 10 times developer and things like that like a lot of work was put on our back end now That being said the obvious problem is Man, I've played every every hacking game created since 19, you know 85 ish give or take And they all Man they all they all really try but it's really hard to take what we do and turn it into a game And well, that's what happens. And that's what happened. And so we have this really great The best way to think about it is really it is an Operating system, right? And so you get to use Our operating system to play a series of puzzles So imagine if you had a def con contest 24 hours a day on top of that You can we have the capabilities of creating networks and entire 3d worlds and environments And so when we say you can hack a drone And do cool stuff like that we mean there's there's likely and depending on the scenario and where it is in some cases You're simply looking at a 3d map of say the top topography and you're trying to look for heat signatures In other cases you might actually see From the perspective of this other drone, right? We have light out scenarios. We have full functioning Three environments and it's really immersive. There's real stories. There's real writing And so it's not something that one generally gets bored in if you know Penetration testing or hacking in general, you know, it's a lot of the same commands You're using a lot of the same tools in different scenarios And while there is some repetition because in most hacking there is repetition I think we've done a really good job in the team. The supports the game itself has done a really good job at taking all of the things that most of us find as Mundane and turned it into a really fun experience and we got everything from open source intelligence. You're you're on the command line You know, you've got real live feedback All our favorite tools are mapped in a way or another into these gamified tools so while To someone who is new to the experience and they're just learning they're like man I think I might want to get into cyber security We can honestly say man Play our game because you'll real quickly find out what you love about cyber security You'll real quickly find out what your goal is and we on the back end are really keeping track of how you do and what you do Um, and then we give that to uh the presenting that to the employers And so when someone says man, we want somebody who's fresh They love hacking, but they just knew to the industry We need something that someone who's willing to learn well. Guess what man? We can get you from from that want to that employee And it's all real if you you can try and fake it if you want, but ultimately I can tell you the guys in the back end have done a really good job to ensure that We're going to find all the little skills that most people don't even think to uh to even test for because there's not There hasn't been a really good way to test it And I think we have found really the the small place in the middle that helps us Do that translation for people Literally you have a team where there's me. I'm in depth I could tell you ridiculous amounts of code and stuff and you got Nigel and Nigel will stare at you and say I don't know what you want me to do with this code All right, he it but and using that dynamic we have successfully brought This to this project to where it is now so um Omar this this kind of brings back um some memories So the first time that we kind of debuted um the game and cyber race Um at any live event that was at texas cyber summit, right? and um And it's funny. This is how how new I i'm still very new to the cyber Culture, right? You know, that's why you know, I had to go out and get civic matters first like our uh, like Hino and some of the folks in the team anyways So we're at cyber we're at texas cyber summit and we have all of the laptops set up and we're running the games, right? And we're inviting people to come over And you know, there were some like seasoned people like hey, you don't want just like he said, you know I've seen every game Whatever it is, maybe I'll sit down for 10 minutes, right? You know an hour and a half later We're nudging each other and be like and this is the same person who's still sitting here, right? And then they come back the next day and then they come back the third day, right? So um, We were we were standing then, you know, they had the big photo background next to to our booth, right where we were at And he knew it goes. Hey, do you know who that is and he ex I won't let you share the story I won't mention in the name. I'll let you break it. I'm like, no, I don't I don't it's like well, dude You've ever heard of hack five Uh, kind of I still don't write so I'm out of it, right? So I'll let he knew say who we met and then, you know, he can tell you how long she actually sat there and ended up playing the game That was our that was our mutual good friend Shannon. Um, yeah, it was it was one of those weird things You know, you I grew up in this industry to to me, you know, just seeing her walk down like, oh, I know exactly who that is, right? Um, I saw jason e street there. I'm like, hey jason Um, and yeah, it's really it's just funny But she sat down and she started playing and you could tell, you know, she was doing her job Her job is to go down there and take a look at some stuff and then we're that stuff But as soon as that bomb goes on and the intro music goes, uh, I guess the the best way I could put it Is if you ever sat down and been like Whether it's hackers or sneakers or anything you're like, man, I wish I was in a movie where I could be the bad ass hacker, right? If you ever thought that this is the game for you because from the beginning All the way to the end. It's very much in your face. You're the guy. You're the man You're learning an operating system. You're learning the hacking. You're learning your thing your skill And if you're really good at it, then there you go, you know, um, if you're not, uh, there's tons of tutorials There's tons of walkthroughs on some of the earlier levels Um, there's a lot available to kind of um, because again, we're not trying to make it where this is an impossible game We're not we're not gonna do really well if nobody can play it We want you to play we want you to learn we want you to have fun and want you to tell us what you want Um, but yeah, I agree. It was it was it was just totally amazing to see All these people come in and this and and I mean night You got to admit when as soon as he came to me with the first day. Hey, man, we got a game When the first things I told them was oh, yeah, I was like, come on, man I've played a hundred of these things. You know, this is not gonna go well But then at the same time I called him, uh, I think that monday Uh, I had had the weekend to play it. I had beat it the whole time. I was like, oh my god This is the best game we've played. I've ever played. I I can't imagine I still have that email though, by the way That that in a dollar in our first dollar, right? That should be what's printed up Because that was that's when we knew okay. We found that that mix Yeah, very very cool. Hey, so we actually have a few people that I want to Give shout outs to both in youtube and twitch But there's a couple of questions actually coming in the first one is where do we get On the game and I think that the ad is coming But I probably missed it actually I put the banner in the bottom of your screen If you go to retinvillage.io slash cyber wraith you can register right now As a matter of fact, I'm gonna share my screen So you can see the page and we're gonna go over the registration process In a second And there's a very cool trailer In that video, I'm not gonna play it right now because of course we're actually streaming And you're gonna be hearing it but at the end of the the video today I'll I'll definitely make a note But again retinvillage.io slash cyber wraith the second question that I got from rafael Choco Is I mean I chose this package So basically greetings. I like to change the game package. Is it possible to rerun that setup? And then he had a follow-up to that question. I mean that I have chosen The windows package, but I would like to change that is that possible to do that To mac does he want to change it to mac if he wants to change it mac just tell him to um To go ahead and just do a new registration And um, and then shoot us a note And then we and I um, what I'm gonna do is I'm also gonna send you our um Our discord server Or you can or he can just connect with us on the red the red team discord server In our channel and then we can take care of him. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah Yeah, thank you And then um, how long is the game? Bond Dracula So so for me, all right, so this dude he completed the game in a weekend. I was barely past the the um What was the academy in the damn weekend, right? So, you know, he's laughing and was all fun and games for him And I'm pissed off because my wife is pissed off at me. I'm spending a whole weekend playing this damn game, right? So it really is um, you know, uh, how much time that you dedicate to the game No matter what your experience level, right now the cool thing about the game is that um Once you you complete the academy and kind of like hig said, it's like you're joining this clandestine Organization like the pseudo nsa and you know, you go through the academy You have two ai's that's you know, one is your sergeant. The other one is kind of like your colleague slash trainer But then you go on and you can either it's kind of like choose your own destiny, right? You can go out and you can do the the story mode, you know, which is like damn near over 80 missions, right? um, and then you could or you could either choose that or The the bounties, right? So that's your standard, you know, bounties type of type of and then the coolest one is the open world missions So this is like real, you know what? I'm not higgs. Go ahead and tell them about the open world mission and okay Yes, um, I definitely was going to let him finish that one But let me let me let me tell you how this game this game doesn't have an End now when I when I had got to the end of it. We had finished all the content that was currently available that included Three actual full missions, right? Which were about 30 minutes to an hour of peace. There was something like 25 or more Bounties, which are just imagined side quests if you're an avid gamer And then we had open world missions, which were very much side quests With open source intelligence gathering stuff. So you may need to go to a real wiki page or a real domain name and grab said piece of information Currently we are up to I believe like five or six If not more with so many Content packages constantly coming out because it's all customizable and that's what it was made for We also have what is called a hive mind So from your player base now, this is you know, something that kind of close to hard But it's something that I think anyone who's heard to understand We have administration packages where you can actually build content for the game now Obviously, we don't let that for everybody There's different packages like that and that's more of someone else's job But the point is is that if you're looking for a game that you can just go win and say yeah, man, I beat it It was no problem. This ain't it. I'm telling you if you have if you come into this game thinking you know Uh, how you know, I know every game. I played every game. I know it. I'm the best gamer This is going to mess you up. You're doing crypto puzzles like you find on the back of these badges and coins in real life, right? This is um, we these are real tests that have been gamified instead of a gamification of You know a fake weak test it kind of give an idea so if I if you if you Think that you can sit down and play it in a weekend. Um, if you're lucky you can you can get really far I can tell you I've had to play this game 15 16 times and I can no longer go from beginning to end an entire weekend Because it's literally just so much content and while that content is going Bounties will pop off now as as it was hinted in earlier. You can decide to pick a side, right? So if you're Uh, the way we like to say this think nsa i but on a world conglomerate, right? You're you're outside of any one government So if you help for instance the a bounty with gru That may affect how your bounties with Um The usa go right or with israel and all these little sub there's so much sub story here For you to really get involved and I don't want to give it all away, but I can promise you if you want a solid number uh Guarantee 48 hours to 72 before you start saying okay, I got it and 72 plus hours is where I would start because it there really is a lot of of stuff going on with there everything from maltego for Stuff to hacking into phones Satellites drones like it's it's it's it gets crazy Awesome, and I think actually you just answer another question that came in Few minutes ago. What are the missions consist of and that was actually perfect now? There's another follow-up question. So Or first person will it be given I guess for People that are doing this for the first time will it be given to whoever gets into Further is doing defcon or is this person? Only can do it virtually. So let me paraphrase. I think to understand so so basically I think the question is can you Are the the contest price is only for the time frame during defcon or is it actually if I start playing right now Yeah, so the it's it's for the time frame during defcon. So the the rules are very specific, right? Someone could go out and say they wanted to complete the game right now. Guess what you got to Download the game be fresh and that's where you get considered for the price They'll make it fair across the board and it's not relegated to the people who are only playing at The look at defcon itself at the location. It's going to be the the best of both All right, so for us we're all about Skills matter, right? You've demonstrated that you're a bad ass then you should be paid and you should win. It's that simple Perfect awesome And I think those are the pending questions that we have do you mind if I actually share real quick the screen When we go over the registration process sure So once again, you know, I'll put the banner also in the bottom of the screen This link is just very easy our website red team village that I always slice cyber wraith Once you go there you go into registration So it says registration now open and it will take you to this page and I'll pass it back to you so you can explain So I'm not going to read the screen because I think everybody here on the on the opposite end is way smarter than I am so but the biggest thing to To kind of take in mind when you're registering is that there is a code for Each tournament and there is one specific to defcon It is in the information package and is in the registration packet, right? so The screenshots that you have and if you will scroll a little a little bit lower here, please Right, right. So that screenshot is after you've gone through the initial registration You're going to get essentially inside access to your profile on cwm and once you do that There is a tournament registration, which then you go in and you use that code which is specific to the The defcon tournament and then that we will know that you're in right and and once you do that It's it's all just um, you know a piece of cake from there, right? the rules are also on the um On the main page or so they'll be taken to the rules page after they go through this process here Right when they complete it and um, it will answer questions like the last one Hey, when you know, um, when will I be considered like what time frame, right? And will you now keep in mind we if you are in the market for a job, right? Um, you know our mission is to essentially put butts in seats like get the the best people right into and connect them with with Really good and cool employers, right? Be sure to upload your resume, right? Um, and then you know ping us if you have any use because at the end of the event just like we did last year We're going to take the top the best of the best Right and we have employers, you know from Air Force civil services, right one login google We have some major earners who really want to see what your skills and your talent is like, right? So I mean if you think about about it umar one of our one of the defining factors for us We knew that we weren't going to be another job hunted for We knew we weren't going to be another linkedin or we weren't going to be another job board, right? Our biggest thing is how do we Essentially deploy data science to validate our skills and abilities, right to make sure we know that we are de-risking The you know an employer's next cyber hire, but on the flip side The coolest thing about it is that if you are in the market for Uh, no matter where you are in your career except sizzle, right except if you're very high up, right? But you know, um, you know if you're beginning or intermediate You don't have to modify a resume a hundred times to beat an applicant tracking system because our algorithm does that for you Right, so, you know, this is a really easy way to have fun to learn to prove your skills And then let us do the heavy lifting, right? So, you know for everybody who's participating in the tournament even if you don't you're not particularly looking for a job right now It's always good To have your resume on there because when you are open for for an opportunity Then we can help you market yourself really effectively Okay, and that actually I guess it goes into the next question Which is is it a requirement to have any of the information there or can I play without uploading their resume? Yes, you can you can play and win the contest without or you know, you know You can get prizes with the contest without the resume resume is not A requirement for the contest the only two things that we require for people obviously is to Actually have an email where we can reach you to send me the The gift and then you're required to stream at least 20 minutes on switch All right, so that's those are the the tariff requirements to and and you know have fun, right? So, um, you don't need your resume in order to qualify for the prizes and participate Thank you So, um I think that the those are all the questions that I see from both Uh, actually, you know, there's another one just came in. How will the winner be determined? I think you you actually went over that but if you can refresh So within the game system, um, we have our our own algorithm that does all the waiting And matching and scoring and then there is also within the actual game mechanics It shows you your scores and your rank. So essentially, um, we're doing this on a timed basis, right? and We may or may not I'll just put that out there have a scenario Where you know, the top qualifying people would have to you know, kind of go prove their skills there Now to be to be determined. That's all I'll say about that But anyway, so essentially, um, we will have the leaderboard up during the contest the entire contest You will always see where you rank And um, you know, you'll get to see who are the the winners and the leaders awesome So I'm just looking at oh, there's more comments So I know that some of you actually just joined Some of you actually are asking again on how to join Or sign up for the game. It is in red team village.io slash Cyber rave I'll leave that in there Just just in case because I know that you know, just people are coming in And then the last one is are there requirements for the stream on twitch? Just wondering because you know My very small resolution got messed up Um, so so somebody's already planning to win this thing. So he's asking about the stream. So That's pretty good. So extra points for white I'll turn that over to Higgs. Um, I know that we're still working on on packaging everything together But Higgs we can give a little more info on that'd be great Yeah, I mean look if if you gave it your best, that's you know, that's that's all we're asking We want to see you have fun. We want to see you play this game We want to see you take the hacker spirit of you know Um, um being in a situation where you don't have all the answers, you know And you have to go learn and sometimes twitch facilitates that be having to put yourself out there and put on there So yeah, look if you get if you have a low resolution, I wouldn't see a super problem with it Um, if it you know, again, this is this is def con Um, we expect there to be you know, uh the hacker mentality going on We expect some people to try to cheat and that kind of stuff. So we understand that there's some situations Um, you know that that you might not be able to to have the super twitch with all the cool I look go on Do your 20 your your 20 minutes hit us up? It counts. Um, as long as you're having fun That's really what this is about. Um having fun learning and trying to do give back to the community gave back to us Awesome. Thank you. All right. So well more More comments, um Some of them we already went over before There's a new one that is what is the difficulty from a challenge perspective And I think that you hit on that whenever you're talking about You know, he knew actually completing this in a shorter amount of time. I don't want to throw you under the boss Yeah, that's that's a hicks question. That's not it for me. I should be talking about this. Um, look You're you're not and there is I don't believe a way To test every Single skill set we have an information security. Okay, but I will tell you that we've done a very good job of covering as much as possible This isn't uh, where you have to know a very specific. Um, uh exploit or you have to know, uh, you know, the Command line for an obscure piece of software release in 1940, right? We it's not that super complex Um, what it does test is things that aren't normally tested, you know, so is it challenging? Yeah, that was that's the main idea behind it Um, but it's not impossible. Uh, so I believe that if you're If you're super new to hacking or you're you're thinking about getting into hacking This is the game for you if you've hacked every day of your life for the last 25 years This will be the game for you not because it's super hard because you you might discover that Maybe cryptography is not my super thing. Maybe I'm not as observant as I think I am Um, there's a lot of self discovery in this game. Uh, uh that I think I believe a lot of people can find too. Um, so I would say it's not It the the challenge of it is not a barrier for entry. So if you think it's going to be too easy Uh, and you don't want to waste your time. I mean, that's your own choice, but I can tell you right now that um You there's enough content there that you'll you may Uh, have your workflow down, right? You do your recon. You got your Exploits you got your pivoting you got all that kind of stuff Um, but I don't think anyone is going to just necessarily walk all the way through it. Um, and say in an evening Uh, but then again, it's def con so it could happen. Uh, we're not saying we're the super challenges game We're saying hey, we challenge you to give us a try and so I it's welcome for everybody if you if you have a An hour or five and you want to come and just chill out Uh, remember one of the things I don't think it's touched on a lot Is it the game actually has the ability for you to self-host essentially? And what is essentially an irc? Internally to you and to your your buddies and so you don't have to hack alone man Bring your crew bring your buddies sit in a lobby start a uh, you know a little fun game or something Uh, it it's going to be challenging. Um on whoever you are and whatever you're doing But it's not going to be so challenging that no one's going to have fun. That's not the point And as a matter of fact, I think that you just touching the question that came in So a few seconds ago. Are you allowed to create a team? And win as a team or it has to be the individual? So for for this one, it's it's just individual But we are we will be coming out with the team version Okay, perfect The communication though, so if you if you have there is an internal communication So that's between you guys, you know, um, there is chat enabled and that kind of stuff So you can talk but the winning I believe is simply for This just means that only one person receives the actual prize. How you guys split that up between you and your crew That's on you, right? So I mean, you know, like Higg said, you know, invite invite your friends, you know Get your team together and if you want to do this, you know, I mean If nonetheless, you're just prepping for our event next year, right? Or so Next year it will be a team event. So you just prepping for that Awesome Now the the other question that we got Is actually many questions from the same individual, but let me try to do one at a time It's all about the twitch Stream, right? So the first one is do we have to record the twitch transition? Yeah, I assume that it's actually the twitch stream Or share our twitch channel. Is it going to be specific to an hour to stream or kind of be a Full stream for all the hours that we play. How does that work? So we'll be coming out with details about how to to to share the the twitch stream And when and where so to speak when I say when where is from a link perspective, right? So we'll be getting all of that information Before the the the actual event itself and we'll be updating folks throughout the event, you know, so I mean, but I'm sorry to say Go ahead No, yeah, I was just gonna say just on that note If you want to stream the whole time stream the whole time If you don't if you're like, hey man, I'll stream my stuff But I really don't want to be seen or they don't like my voice whatever let us know so we can validate it We'll never talk about it again However, if you like getting on twitch and you want to talk you want to show that off Go all day. Go three days. Go all of def con. Let us know we might even throw you up on our stream You know do what we can let's like I said, we're all about the community and helping the community kind of Keep on that fund and in in hybrid def con so And if you if you do stream a whole lot, you never know what swag is going to come your way never know so And then there's a question that I think that I can address is a cyber race ctf different than the one on the Eventbrite so for those of you that don't know what the one in eventbrite means There are two different contests that is actually happening from the red team village. Let me actually go back to the site real quick and i'm gonna share So if you go to our website You're gonna see two Contests in there one is the def con red team village ctf and the def con rtb cyber rate The one that we're talking about right now is the cyber rate The ctf yes, it actually takes you you know if you're one to register to eventbrite is the same thing. It's not you know That's a separate contest. So we have two contests During def con both of them are hybrid. So you don't have to be on site To participate, but if you're on site, we're all all gonna be sitting in the same place right very close to each other so and I will strongly recommend for you to to To meet with us right to meet with the team And and so on right so def con is all about Not only you know the presentations and the contests, but it's actually developing this network. So Absolutely now there's another follow-up question that says, you know, I didn't see any specific Listed if I needed something special as far as hardware requirements for cyber rates Like pc specs, you know And I do this I think a fifth sixth generation i5 think pad Yeah, I think all we need is a gig of ram right higgs and then everything is pretty much I cannot stress enough to the people out there that when we say game It is not this is not cyberpunk, right? This is not a giant huge thing this Game is a is literally stripped down the best you need like a gig of ram Half of a pentium chip and the thing runs. Um, we are using, you know latest unity engine Um, but it's not it's it's really beautiful. How how well it was done that we don't sacrifice There's not a tons of super flashy graphics Um and things like that, but it's until you see it until you play it you'll understand But but I promise you you can run it on just about anything Perfect and then the last question that we got here I missed the chance to get a virtual ticket and any other options to do it virtually um Any question any So you say another So we we will have I know that um, we'll probably have some more events with um with the red team village, right? But you can always check back for from our website. Um, you know that right there is more of a defconn question Um, uh, other than a seat up, you know, like a red team village as a contest library contest what what I do recommend is um Uh, get at us on either the red team village Discord or on our own discord channel That way we can see how we can get you into the experience. Um, you know So just hit us up and and we can work the back chance to see what we can do there And I think that addressed the last question about the even bright Somebody was actually asking about even bright. I don't think you need a ticket to participate So we're not this is not a for fee thing right to this right now, you don't have to pay extra I you know, it's completely for the community Yeah, and and whenever we do our events, um, you know, we never charge for it for the actual event, you know, so Um, we do this to give back and to to build to build the community itself Awesome. Thank you I think that those are all the questions that we have had so far. We actually been here for For a little while Thank you so much again for not only participating in this stream for all the support We have given this the red team village for quite some time And also defcon And again, if you are just listening right now, you know, feel free to register yourself for Cyberraith the link is in the bottom of the screen and I also have it in the description of the videos in both places So with that, thank you again, and I'll end the broadcast right now Thank you