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So the fact that Is entirely thanks to theater monkey It was actually pretty impressive to see him ride up with the the light bulbs Right so you guys ready I didn't do my voice for that's your voice for everybody The one voice it's the spaghetti tonight voice New show is entirely supported and funded by voluntary contributions from listeners like you If you want to chip in and support your daily source of tech visit patreon.com Slash is detect This is the daily tech news for Friday, September 26th, 2014 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today is Darren kitchen of hack five dot org. How's it going Darren? Not much going on in security this week, I'm sure we'll dig something up to talk about you know Whatever's whatever's laying around. Let's come up with something catchy got to come up with something good So Len Peralta can draw it. He is our art prob master illustrating the show Wait, wait, wait, is that Winston Churchill This is Tom Merritt Wow, it's like I'm hearing myself It's good to be here and hopefully I'll draw something great. Yes I know you will I have the faith and these are the headlines Giga home reports good news for Blackberry But first the bad news handset sales were down 200,000 to 2.4 million and the company lost 207 million dollars. However That's quite a bit less than the 965 million that they lost a year ago not to mention Blackberry has three point one billion dollars in the bank cash Plus the Blackberry passport received 200,000 pre-orders which ain't bad. See they're totally not palm not at all not No, don't even joke Sis admins the world over continued to deal with the shell shock vulnerability with patches out for most Linux distros that not all of them are complete patches Consumers should be most concerned about devices with embedded systems like routers and webcams as well as OS 10 Apple says most OS 10 users will not have the Unix services turned on that would allow attackers to take advantage of the vulnerability However, a patches in the works for those sophisticated users that might have turned on those services bash maintainer chat Raimi said on Twitter He had notified Apple of shell shock several times before it was made public Apple uses an older version of bash version 3.2.5 point 3.2.51 parentheses one Because the company avoids gpl v3 license software like Frankenstein's monster avoids villagers with torches apparently We're gonna talk quite a bit more about shell shock in a bit Reuters reports the European Aviation Safety Agency said Friday it will allow passengers to use portable electronic devices throughout the entire flight Without being an airplane mode That's right. You're 3g or LTE. You just have it on if you're in Europe Issa said this is the latest regulatory step toward enabling the ability to offer gate to gate telecommunications or wi-fi services Each airline will have to conduct a safety assessment before changing their policies Tech crunch reports Apple released iOS 8.0 point 2 the new update includes all original fixes promised in the earlier update And fixes the cell reception issue with iPhones 6 and 6 plus as well as a bug in health kit app that delayed release Of compatible apps and a bug were third party keyboards with default back to apples keyboard when activated inside an app apple said in their apology about the mistaken iOS update earlier this week that fewer than 40,000 devices were affected by the bad release Which was pulled after an hour How it's reverting back to apple default keyboard is that let's make that worst bug of 2014 You know actually I think better comes up in this show the new apple default keyboard is better Because it actually gives you some of those swift key like Suggestions those swipe like suggestions, but the tech press all decided to notice social network elo today It's been around for a while It I think it got a big boost at xoxo. That's my theory. Anyway, maybe it's just because it's friday I don't know and gadget reports elo is notching up 20,000 new users an hour Despite being invite only elo is created by designers and artists its CEO paul budnitz is founder of that toy company kid robot Its central premise is that it will not turn you into a product to sell to advertisers So no ads the idea is to provide basic functions for free But more advanced functions like if you wanted to have multiple accounts managed from one log in say they might charge you a Couple bucks for that budnitz says we're not competing. We're just building this thing that we really want to use ZD net reports that amazon has officially acquired game streaming service twitch And it's more than five 55 million active monthly users for 970 million dollars amazon vp of games Mike Frazini said the deal came together after amazon met with twitch leaders and decided their culture was an awesome fit with amazon's culture Because obviously live streaming gaming and Packaging up things in boxes Perfect fit to recap amazon now owns an incredibly popular live streaming platform for less than one instagram 3 code reports that intel will pay up to 1.5 billion dollars for a 20% stake in two mobile chip makers with ties to the chinese government Intel will acquire the stake in spread trim communications and rda microelectronics through a deal with xinghua Unigroup in an attempt to catch up to rival qualcomm in the mobile chip market Time for some news from you these come from our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Habituala condolci pointed out samsung announced its highest capacity ssd yet The sm 1715 can store 3.2 terabytes of data and is in production right now The drive is made using samsung's 3d venan technology. That's the one where storage chips are placed on top of each other The random read speed of the drive is 750 000 iops That's input output operations per second and right speed is 130 000 iops price of chip dates were not announced But hopefully it's going to be cheaper than the 20 000 lsi nitro. That's 3.2 terabytes Oh, man. I can't wait to see a bale wolf cluster of these Yeah Okay, imagine if you had the money to do a bale wolf cluster of 20 000 solid state drive. Who does the nsa? Oh, they can use these. Oh, wait. That's what they built in utah sp. Sheridan shares a bbc report that the us federal bureau of investigation is quote very Concerned about apple and google's plan to create file encryption systems to which the companies would have no access The head of the fbi james komi told reporters that lives could depend on continuing access to device data The fbi is holding conversations with both companies apple and google have not yet responded We have keys to all your houses. Oops. I wasn't supposed to say that komi is imagined to have said by me Dude, I love this didn't we say like a year ago after the initial snowden leaks like this We'll eventually trickle down and make the world a better place for all consumers You know, I mean this is definitely an example of me personally being happy that I am now More sure that my data is going to stay on my device and it's in my hands Of course, I could still screw that up if I want to but you know, it is It is like locks on houses encryption is breakable and locks are breakable, but you know The the police don't say, you know We really would like people to not put locks on their houses because sometime We might need to go into a bad guy's house and that's going to make it more difficult for well No, no, it's just you know, normally they can just you know break the door down But it's a lot harder to do that with the encryption stuff. So it's like come on guys You're making it like, you know, meet normal people don't have fortress houses They just have regular front doors, right? I'm imagining komi went into the to the it department at the fbi It's like will this battering ram open an iphone encryption? No Oh crap, but maybe a rubber hose will get them to divulge their password Well, and that's that's really where the vulnerability lies is forcing you Legally to comply with handing over your password. That's what's going to happen They're going to get the courts to to say you're in contempt if you don't give us your password yeah anchrod to pointed out the musco times article noting russia's Ross cum nizor agency which supervises the media and communications has notified google facebook and twitter That they must register as organizers of information distribution And therefore keep information about russian users on servers located inside the country Companies have until the end of the year to register or risk administrative sanctions See in fact, this goes right back to the previous story in that what technology giveth politics take us away Well, if you just think of your iphone with its data stored inside there and not in the cloud In certain cases just imagine russia has a really big phone, right? It's it's just they're just saying we just want the data to be stored here Where we can see it And that is a look at the headlines All right. I want to kick off our discussion story. We got two We're not we got a drone story. We haven't had a drone story in a while But first we got to talk about shell shock because there's a few more things that have come out since we talked about it yesterday James Songer wrote in and he said in the coverage of shell shock Everyone's jumping to the conclusion that every linux unix bsd based embedded devices vulnerable since they all include bash That's just not the case embedded devices even android devices like phones and tablets use a shell called busybox instead Because it requires much less storage and memory than bash Plus core utils provides all the basic unit commands like ls echo df, etc well as a manufacturer of Embedded devices I can actually attest to the fact that yes busybox is a lot more lightweight And we did use it on the wi-fi pineapple for years as the default shell In fact, I still believe Slash bin slash sh points to busy points to busybox. Well, we still also include bash for some of the more advanced functions That said Even though like I mean sure there's that Technically you could construe like all of the millions of embedded devices that are possibly vulnerable to this You know it might love it pineapple here included except for the fact that we don't take advantage of this quote-unquote feature In any sort of way that exposes the vulnerability to be exploited. So Uh, did we patch it? Yeah, it's patched. It's in the next firmware. Is it exploitable right now? Well Not in most circumstances Yeah, and and I you know james sort of sets it up as like everyone's saying this and I don't think everyone's saying this But it is that you know the fair counter argument is that yeah Sure Loads of newer stuff use busybox and they've used busybox for years now But really I think the the ones that you would be most concerned about are older devices Older routers particularly I would think where people have used them for years because they're just not that into technology And they're least likely to update the firmware on those and those might have bash Yeah, and the least likely to be updated as we go forward as we enter into this quote-unquote world of internet of things It's going to be internet of vulnerable things where there's not a There's not a commercial pressure for manufacturers to put in place Mechanisms to do things like convenient firmware updates and things of that nature or even you know any sort of interest in Squashing some of these things when it like you know for instance in this case it may or may not The attack surface is so low that uh, some may wonder how serious it is now And I'm not disputing the fact that it's serious like this is a big one This is a really big juicy awesome quote-unquote bug in the sense of like heart bleed, you know Yeah, no and all that said too. I think that the other thing to to keep in mind In james defense is that you don't want to assume just because you have an embedded device that you're vulnerable Right, it may have busybox and you may be totally fine for now Uh, but the point is is is to check is to get everybody to be like, you know Don't just assume you're fine. Take take some responsibility into your own hands Or what you can assume is if it's running linux it most likely has bash and if it has bash It's probably bad. So you should switch to windows. It's more secure. Wait, who are you hack five darin with a mustache? Evil hack five darin, uh, but no james is right I think a lot of people may be overreacting like all the internet of things But I don't think everybody's overreacting all of that said I more did get the statement. I think they got it first. It was the first place. I saw it anyway from apple saying quote OS 10 systems are safe by default. Don't ever say things like that I know what they mean They they are not exposed to remote exploits of bash unless users configure advanced unix services Uh, and they are working to provide a software update for advanced unix services stack exchange has instructions to recompile bash using xcode If you are one of those users like actually, yes, I have used these advanced services and I need to figure this out Patches 25 and 26 are out. There's a discussion going on on sec lists, though About whether using set uid or set gid is a vulnerability or not So they've gotten down to that point where they're like bug or feature bug or feature Where's the responsibility lie? Which is a good good sign in my estimation Google has taken some steps to fix bugs in its services amazon has published mitigating steps for any vulnerable customers on amazon web services Red Hat has a couple of patches out as we've mentioned one of them is incomplete Debbie and wheezy has a patch sent os who boot to all have updates Some sporadic reports out there botnets and ddos is uh, it's hard to confirm whether they're really taking advantage of this Or not, but some security firms seem to think they are Darren, I feel like yesterday You summed it up perfectly earlier. This is a very important and awesome In other words, it is it is full of awe when you look at this vulnerability because up to 50 percent of web servers Could theoretically be vulnerable to it and it's been around theoretically since 85 Although I think I saw chat ramy saying yeah, we think the vulnerability probably came along in like 94 92 somewhere in there Yeah, but that's pretty historic in internet years Even so yeah, that's that's a long time We don't know if anybody's been taking advantage of it before now, but you could assume some state actors might have been That's the tinfoil hat angle and I absolutely love it and it makes you wonder in a post-node world Why we're actually seeing things come out Uh, especially things that are vulnerable in these kind of mainstay applications that are part of the open source stack That we so know and love like open ssl in the terms of heart bleed and like born-again shell in terms of shell shock worst name ever Shell shocks worse than heart bleed It's a pond we'll let them fight it out Interestingly, this is one of those things where it's like yes, it's making great headlines because yeah, it is very important But unlike heart bleed, um, there's nothing really that you can tell a user to do in fact going back to what apple said What they meant when they made that statement was our our customers use i-photo not bash Like they don't know how to open the terminal Do they do we yeah, and there's and the and the the worrisome thing would be if I could go to a malformed website and it would execute bash and own my computer It sounds like what apple is claiming is that wouldn't happen unless you've configured some other services To be able to take advantage of bash we lock we lock that down in the standard distribution of os 10 Right and in the case of uh, you know for most consumers when we were talking about heart bleed It's like well the the voln exists on the service provider side But as a good precaution, you might want to change your password in this one It's like that's not necessarily like, you know, there isn't necessarily consumer advice for this one You know like most uh, most people this doesn't affect Yeah, if it does you probably already know Exactly. I think that's a good way of playing it In another sense though, you can also if you know what you're doing you probably also know say for instance You're a php programmer You're probably also aware that the php system execute function could be used maliciously But it's there because it's convenient and if you do it right and you sanitize your input everything will be Okay for the most part and it seems like patch 25 and 26 have really shut down The the really like nasty stuff that shouldn't have been there and now we're on to the that sort of like well If you use it responsibly how idiot proof should bash become has become the conversation Well, you know the idiot proof if we harken back to the 90s when this began This bug we look at say some of the html that's quote unquote valid in most modern browsers But if you check w3c, they're not even listed because you know people just started using html tags that didn't necessarily exist and you know the mosaics and Netscapes of the world had to adapt and say well pot the I fought against iframe for years and lost yeah, but uh Only noobs frames, but uh anyway It's one of those things where you could is this a feature? Is this a bug? I I say it's a it's a fog It's a fog. It's a feature bug Or a big sure no a fog. I like the fog. I like it. It's definitely a fog. You know what? It doesn't affect me at all I'm using tcl jk lol Yeah, it's Let's let's bring this back for the folks who are like i'm not a sys admin So I'm you know do I need to worry about this? Probably you don't If you do have a router that's older Especially but really if you have any router you might want to double check That it's up to date on its firmware And if you have a router that's locked down by the isp you want to call the isp and say hey Well, you know you guys going to update this? If you have any internet of things devices again, steve gibson gave great advice yesterday put them on the guest Part of your your network so that they're not on the same part that you're accessing with the rest of your computers And make sure that their firmware is updated and then wait for the the os 10 update To come along but I Darren would you agree that you don't need to panic? No, you don't need to panic But you definitely need to read every line of source code that anything Computing device in your world uses as well as monitor every single packet that transgresses your networks. You're scaring people Oh, i'm just saying if you want to really be secure Yeah, no, but that's that that's actually where I was going is you don't need to do that You don't need to read every line of source code You just kind of want to you just kind of want to check and make sure your firmware is up to date That's just good practice anyway Yep. Yeah, and it's good to see the vendors responding very appropriately as far as the googles and the amazons for the aws and whatnot Yep uh Our second story the federal aviation administration in the united states is allowing six companies To fly drones under controlled circumstances while shooting Video movies and tv stuff Astrious aerial aerial mob picked or vision hella video snap roll media and rc pro productions consulting all got approval Apparently a seventh filmmaker is requesting Approval that's pending as well They have to do a lot darin. Did you look into like all the stuff that they had to file and agree to to get this permission? It's ridiculous. Do you have the list because it's kind of insane Well hella video for example has a 38 page exemption which includes 35 provisions Restricting the weight speed and flight elevation of the aircraft requiring inspections and test flights after maintenance requiring the operator To have a pilot's license and 25 hours of prior drone flying experience Requiring documented test runs before actual video recording and a restriction that people not involved with the production must be at least 500 feet away Three days before flying the companies have to notify the faa with detailed plans And if the drone flies too high or too far laterally the operator must report it Okay, so this is not a victory in any sense for for consumers for no no like like, you know the headlights Ooh, certain people get to use drones for moviemaking. That's good, right? No Could you imagine if every farmer that wanted to check their crops or monitor their livestock had to go through that kind of Like the faa is three years behind even getting to what congress told them that they needed to do like in 2011 And then they come up with these kind of rules They don't have the manpower to do this kind of stuff for the amount of people that are out there trying to do this Like look at this device. This thing is like 37 grams Am I going to have to contact the faa every time I want to fly this around my cat in my living room? Please keep the cat 500 feet away from the drone, sir I will not I will not keep the cat away from the drone Come and arrest me faa. Uh, yeah And honestly if you fly it inside your house, I guess you're not going to get in trouble But well, that's the thing like I actually in in some regards. I don't mind the things like, okay well, you know in these instances we require say the Drone operator to have a pilot's license, right? They don't have special unmanned aerial vehicle licenses yet so until then They they want to make sure that people are being responsible and you know, they're certifying certain crafts in some instances But it's just like at a certain point had we just had some sane rules years ago We wouldn't be behind the rest of the world in this regard with like these little oh, we made six exemptions That's progress. That's not progress This is actually a symptom of the problem is what you're saying. Yes. Yes, because this is not sustainable Maybe actually making some uh rules, you know, or actually making something that we can actually put into the the comment the uh, what is it called the uh, the, uh, uh proposed regulations the the, um Uh, I'm losing my my my proposed regulations works. I'm right where we actually have a chance So like we're supposed to get 18 months to be able to actually review what the proposed regulations are before they get voted On and turned into rules not not what the FA has been doing by like making special interpretations of rules For instance for model aircraft, which makes me flying this with goggles illegal, you know By updating policies rather than just making some sane regulations that we can all look at and see and comment on And then they can accept those comments and then it can go and get voted on and become a law where there's actually a Avenue for people to say like oh, hey, I'm a filmmaker Let me get my quote-unquote drone pilots license and then you know operate in a legit manner with a craft that's been You know verified to be safe in uh in a manner that doesn't require like six six drone operators six Maybe seven Oh, oh, maybe there might be seven. Wow. So september 2015 Is the next deadline. What's what's your what's your guess that they that they actually have some proposed rules Any of these deadlines they are two years and eight months behind on the on the last deadlines And rather than like meet any of these deadlines. They're just updating policies and also, you know getting suits filed against them by the AMA and the trade associations and university Researchers who use this stuff. They're essentially just destroying any sense of there being A model aircraft or drone industry in this country and everything is going to go overseas If if our government doesn't step up and and get on the ball. It's just sad And as t2 t2 typed in the chat room, you may now check the drone box on your dts pico cards Good stuff, man. Thanks. Thanks for for for being passionate About this because I think I think a lot of people, you know They go in the mall and they see the drones in the brook stone store and they're like, well, that's cool Maybe I'll get into that and they don't realize like all of these other things that are happening in the real world If you try to just like go to the beach and fly your drone for instance, right? Yeah, like Martha Stewart does Yeah, she's got what a bunch for like parties or something. Yeah, she's got at least three It was what I was reading in vanity fair or something like that. So this is mainstream fAA You missed your opportunity the boat has sailed that was oh nine. It's 2014 Tech is happening and you're not All right, let's take a look at the calendar apples new iPhones on sale in 20 more countries today Friday austria belgium denmark finland ireland italy lichtenstein luxembourg netherlands new zealand norway portugal katar russia saudi arabia spain sweden switzerland tylon turkey and the united arab Emirates You can now try to bend an iphone 6 plus Tomorrow marks the founding of the company called google you may have heard of it They found it were founded back in 1998 If you want to get google a birthday present their google play wish list includes a space elevator European market share and sentience or you could just buy google a balloon. They're very found of balloons Sunday september 28th is the start of the oracle open world conference in san francisco as well as the java one conference Also in san francisco and september 29th is the start of the isc2 security conference in atlanta georgia All of which run through october 2nd My pick of the day real quickly when i do the tech republic Videos they're five apps videos i shoot them here on a green screen in the same room And i've been memorizing the bits of the script which is okay But i just got a teleprompter for the ipad teleprompter plus Uh, and and i got teleprompter like man teleprompter plus is great Yeah, we used it on hack five for a little while. It's it's not bad for notes 20 bucks It's universal so you can put it on the ipad and then control it from the iphone all for the same price And then it can link with dropbox or google drive to pull your scripts in Worked like a dream. So that's my pick Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Uh, finally got some messages of the day rami in padua italy writes I have been listening to your talks about europe and regulations and google I agree also that european community is a bit strange with these things. I live in italy We could have met here last week. Where were you? I actually passed through padua In a train, but we didn't stop But I waved uh, and I just hate some of the decisions the eu makes in the tech industry Starting a few years ago with the browser choice screen on fresh windows installs, which was not easy to get rid of Going to windows n editions google results filtration and sense Sometimes the alert that websites that operate in the EU need to show you about cookies I don't know how these sites work when visited from outside the EU But for me here for every single website I visit that applies this regulation, which is around 80% I see the bar top bottom floating about the use of cookies I'm a computer science graduate and work in it and I know about it And I don't want to see all these warnings the bad part is that when I visit non tech savvy friends They asked me about those biscuit thingies that intercept net sites use Knowing the technical background of cookies will not help them get safer They will still click on install free antivirus ads to get Trojan horses EU wants to regulate things but in my humble opinion the decisions they are making are wrong and are complicating the life of everybody That's a rant from the EU Riva der che alla prossima You know what I would love to see in regards to this Imagine if for instance you were uh, you could vote with your dollar and say opt into buying dark tech Right and use a dark internet that with the understanding that you don't have to go through Nanny's state kind of stuff where you've opted in with your dollar saying look listen. I accept the uh I accept all of the stuff that's going to come at me by doing this But I prefer to have the unfettered and uh, don't come at me bro Yeah, you can do a vpn and then you see fewer of those cookie warnings. Although you still see some of them Uh, millie. Thank you rami for sending that Anthony limos, uh, aka Ethan cane told us on twitter that verizon has enabled voice over lte in texas So we asked him have you tried it yet? Here's what he said Yes, noticeable voice quality improvement and voice data usable simultaneously It even seems to dial and connect faster full disclosure. The test was completed between iphone 6 pluses and nearby proximity Probably the same verizon tower But he seems to like it in that one test anyway. So thanks anthony and or ethan For sending in a little insta test of voice over lte Appreciate that if you if you put both iPhones on speakerphone next to each other and then scream into it Do you still get awesome? Reverb and feedback One would expect so I don't think that's voice over lte. Yeah dependent Let's let's hope that that never gets fixed because that's just too much fun All right. Uh, thank you darin kitchen hack 5.org h a k 5 dot org Uh, and len peralta at len peralta store.com. What are you telling me? You're setting me up You're like, oh, I don't know. It's gonna be very good today. This is this is disturbingly awesome Oh, thank you. Well, I I I just want to make sure that I I wasn't um getting the tech wrong on this, but uh Shell shock is of not a worm is it can be warmified. It can be warmified. At least that's the theory Well, I let it I let this I let I just drew this because I thought it was funny for the purposes of art It can definitely be it's it's a worm eating through an apple and it's warm is saying you are safe by default In tim cook's voice You are safe by by you are safe by default. Oh, yeah, it's it's dead on tim cook too. Thank you. Thank you Yes, it's uh up at my online store and uh, don't forget to support my uh, uh, me on patreon patreon.com forward slash len Thank you len. Uh, this is brilliant. Go check it out Even if you just want to take a look at it audio listeners len peralta store.com This is like um ralph stedman like worm face a little bit. Yeah, it was very quick. They're very weird. It was pretty cool Thank you. Uh hack five. What's going on over there? Darren? Well, if you want to hear me rant a little bit more about this kind of drone stuff we've got an excellent episode at h a k the number five dot org right now where I Uh, you know take you out to my favorite flying field and tell you about this hobby that I so enjoy Take you on board first person view of some of these quad copters and also talk a little bit about The regulations that we're facing and what you can do to get involved. We've already seen 32 000 comments on the uh on dfa's special interpretation of the model aircraft rules And uh, yeah, let's fight the good fight Excellent. Also specifically tom specific to you I would also like to thank you as uh, as you've presented me with the epic gift of usb goodness from the vatican and your note was the most endearing tom seriously I've never received any more geek love than this And I just need everybody to know tom said quote You will always be path in my auto exec dot bat and to that tom I can only say that you will always be the paren paren squiggle colon semi colon squiggle semi colon slash bin slash bash taxi reboot in my rc dash local Don you're making me tear up Thanks again you guys for fill it in uh when I was gone the other way really appreciate it Check out our patreon. We've got 4299 almost 4300 people supporting the show sincere Thanks to every single one of you. 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So um, we'll remember to grab some spaghetti on the way. I will All right, I will man. See you guys later. Awesome. Thanks, Len I have to go to and look at an office like a grown-up go Fly my friends With your marching bands in your offices Oh man, that was good. I didn't realize that I had it in me oops Sorry, dude, you must have hit a button or something. I got a little fired up. No, it was a daring rant. That was awesome Yeah, okay, I forgot to say some of the more. Um, I don't know Balanced persons You know, you know, anyway, we can deal with it next time. Yeah with the response emails uh, man The ranting flowed like liquid says anthem hike I'm hoping that things don't you know, uh, really go south of the drones and uh, that I will be prohibited from flying anywhere But the new hack five warehouse Oh, yes, it's official Is it official now? That's awesome. Yeah, congrats, man. That's great. We're excited. Yeah, so, uh Can you park the van inside the warehouse? If I got a ramp, I might be able to but we just want to see that shot I know, I know I can finally put the jib back in and I want the jib with the van it trust me. I know I know but I'm gonna quote-unquote my first warehouse, you know, it's only like 5000 square feet, but uh Because I want to see it like leap out the front door of the warehouse Well, how's this I'll get the I'll get the stabilized drone shot that goes from The warehouse through the warehouse and then like under the boxes and through the forklift and then into the van Nice Yeah And then and then the then the van just starts driving and you're like wait is the drone driving the van Oh, I like that. Yes Or like it follows the van Like as the van is driving and then boom Flies into the the warehouse and then I'm there with like the half pipe What that we're building because you can't have a warehouse without a half pipe. It turns out it's code in richmond. I hear Yeah, or maybe two quarter pipes and a uh and a zipline nice There was a great article about richmond recently And it being like a secret haven. Yeah, please don't please don't pass that around Rent already bad enough about how awful it is and no one should ever know I'm the the every time we see hipsters on the streets here in point richmond Uh, I always make sure like whoever I'm with to just like change the subject real quick and speak very loudly as I pass I'm like, I know I can't believe they snatched the baby right here Or man, did you smell the refinery fire this morning? I can't believe they snatched the baby and threw it into the refinery fire What kind of sacrificial fools You know, that's the wrong order if you want to appease the dark one you take it to the top of mount tam first Obviously And then strap it to a drone. Oh my gosh. Did you see cat drone? No, I did not see cat drone Somebody took a somebody took a cat the taxidermied cat. I can only imagine it It looked lifelike. It must have been a taxidermied cat and then spread its It's paused out. This is kind of horrible, but also kind of like maybe a little sweet in in a weird sense And so, um, yeah, it's uh, it's a cat quadcopter Man, we got no no clear leader on the titles. Oh, what's the uh, url again? showbot.replex.org Everybody go in there and vote right now. That's horrible. There's a lot of awesome things, but no votes See when you first said elo the first thing I thought of was e-h elo like what you would say to an smtp server over tell that Echo elo I always thought that was interesting about that old protocol where it's like you would identify yourself by doing e-h elo Wasn't there also a hello wasn't there a command that was he elo? Am I just making that up? Yeah. Yeah, there were some spelling mistakes in these old protocols, which I love Mm-hmm pseudo hulk bash mm-hmm Well, anytime we get a pseudo joke, it's good. It's pseudo and hulk joke in one. That's pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah. I like that Anybody else? Let's see. It's a fog Yeah, I don't think that's gonna catch on actually Well, it's not gonna catch on if we try to push it either. Yeah Although it's a fog is now winning although if it's uh Well, then again You had what was uh yesterday's title? Bash with the asterix like mash Oh cute cute. I like that. Wow. It's a fugs running away with it It shouldn't be um shebang. It's a fog I guess you can't put pound exclamation point in your uh, can I in your no you can't put that in a file name I couldn't put it. I won't put it in the file name, but I could put it in the uh, the headline wordpress. Oh, yeah Yeah, I'm a wordpress. You can do that my favorite use of this, uh Bash bug is actually the dhcp one Have you seen this? Or if you're using um, uh dhcp cd on linux to get an ip address from a dhcp server And the dhcp server is uh is set up Maliciously it can uh do remote execution on your machine. I just love that there's something beautiful about that It's cement. It's very symmetrical, right or ace and reverse symmetrical There's something elegant Daren is spelled with a capital d tom Duh, it doesn't matter Actually now that oh, no, I'm not using it yet. I was about to say I'm gonna change my formal name I'm gonna change my middle name to dot Although didn't somebody do that or am I just thinking of the dot com people who sold their names to dot comms Yeah, yeah, and then there was that uh that character Friend of gris on 30 rock Oh, yeah dot com. Mm-hmm. I remember gris Gris and dot com. Yeah Oh, right and dot com right right dot com was his name. Yeah It's a pretty great name Until it's no longer the most popular tld Which can we make predictions right now and when that will be I think it will be Okay Which what is your question? Is it when will it technically be the least not the most popular tld or when will it go out of our public consciousness You know like when would my traffic stats actually be like well people are going, you know dot com is actually right Like because I think that'll happen sooner. I think dot com will just be like album So like maybe in the sense of internet infrastructure certain things will always be there For example, http colon slash slash is still there, but browsers don't show it anymore because we're all like Dude, we got rid of that in the 90s. Do you remember those dove commercials that ended in http colon slash slash ww w dot Dove dot com and you're like wow you just wasted half your commercial Um, and then we dropped a w w w. So maybe we'll just I always thought that a symbol would take over, you know Like something that could be uniquely identified as a musical instrument Yeah, like a musical instrument. No, no, no, no, no, no kind of like a treble clef like you can Well, they've allowed non, uh Non roman alphabet characters now. So why not? Let's get zapped dingbats in there as a domain Oh Well, I thought dingbats was replaced with web bats because of the whole 9 11 thing Was it really? Yeah, have you typed um nine, uh If you typed 9 11 or something in, uh, web dings not webdings dingbats. Mm-hmm. It would show Um, I would show a plane and then towers or something like that. Hang on. I have to look this one up. It's pretty good Oh, that's unfortunate. I I how did I miss that? I never it was windings I don't know if it was wingdings. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, wing wingings Having a wing ding are you? Oh, yeah, it's um airplane two towers and then a skull. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's unfortunate Oh, no, it's when you type in nyc Ah, wow. Yeah Anyway, I was not reading enough drudge at some point. I don't think mr. Domus was using web dings. Was he Pretty sure he predicted it's used though. So he would know the character set that would make sense I've always just used the unicode equivalent Yeah What's that in html ampersand and bsp semicolon? No, that's not gonna work Ampersand pound 123 semicolon. Mm-hmm Oh now that I think about it, I might be able to do ansi and html that way Am I? Yeah, yeah, can I? No Percent sign 20. I was really hoping no No, like why why isn't ansi part of Part of like if we've made most fonts unicode with all of the, you know, non um Help me out here symbols Sorry, I'm all I'm trying to fill out forms at the same time. I'm listening. Um, and I can't think of it. Damn it Uh, asked wait what? Yeah I think you know this html character codes, right and that's for ascii, right You can get like copy right and then there's like, um, you know, shorthand ampersand copy, right? But where's the one that's the miss pacman, you know Like there's a smile face and then there's the block and then the shaded block the slightly more shaded block The even more opaque shaded block It's the way you want to if you want to show the open and close You know the less than greater than sides. You got to use ampersand lt and uh gt Which I was always like lt for left tag gt wait a minute. I know greater than Yeah, like my mnemonic was horrible. You have to remember the alligator that's going to eat the other number It was like, yeah, no, but my mnemonic was oh lt for the left tag and then the other one is the on the right Like that's a horrible mnemonic. Why didn't I just get less than a greater than? It works. It works. It half worked. I could never remember g Whatever once you get the lt. It's obvious what's the rt is going to be. Oh wait, no, but it's g. It's not r That's that's what we'd always throw me off. Oh interesting Uh ampersand shy semicolon is a soft hyphen aka a blank character I've always used nbsp semicolon, which is a space character. Oh, it's a non breaking space nbsp is the non breaking space. Yeah Which is between nbsp and Transparent that gif that pretty much sums up my horrible web design But i'm learning wait, what about blink you had to put a blink tag in at some point This is what i'm talking about. We're talking about html and like codes that weren't uh legit Um Yeah, blink was i was going to use blink, but then blink was also hated and there's better Examples where the tags are actually quite useful and yet non-standard Of course b and and i are now deprecated Yeah, well, they shouldn't be because i use them. Hey, it's supposed to use m Oh, whatever and here's this is going back to what we were talking about earlier. It's like well, you know I can't fix it because people are using it Uh, yeah, i think wordpress is the one that if you type b and i it'll change it to m and strong Yeah, I always uh take the trailing slash out of my brs and i'm like no br we're not closing you stop trying to do that screw you xml. Yeah You are not a closeable tag to me You just get mad Why does it invalid html work? Because we all started using it Yeah, because because even though there's a standard It is up to the browsers to decide whether they'd actually implement the standard and they all implemented it a little differently because they wanted a competitive advantage Our browser will show blink tags everyone will download our browser now And then we can get an animated gif of uh e spinning around and then we can put at the bottom of our page Best viewed in vga with internet explorer too Oh god, I remember I remember the moment that I gave up on that where I was like, you know, no I am not putting a compatible with these 17 versions of browsers anymore. Forget it done Yep Yep, which is why I'm only using html on my new website with a little bit of javascript to paint it Yeah Yeah, yeah I'm bringing ascii back. Hmm not if I don't first you're bringing ansi back, right? Yeah, I'm gonna bring ansi back. I'm gonna. You know what? Here's the thing I actually have already figured out what I'm going to do and it's kind of sad if Hopefully there's already a framework for this, but if there isn't I will be writing javascript that Translates Whatever characters I choose to use as ansi into individual gif files that are properly sized Equivalence of them and so I'll just have to screenshot every single ansi Then bring it into photoshop and crop it out and save it as It's character code. That's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, but it's totally worth it And you know what by then when you've loaded like a thousand gif files In sequence on your browser, it'll be as slow as a 300 bot modem and then it'll just feel more realistic That's right And you're worth it. Yes Oh man, this is taking forever. Okay Yeah, that website I sent you I actually had to throw in slowdown code because I was like Ah, it's painting too fast. Yeah, I need to make it look like no faster than a 14 4 Anything more than that. It's just kind of like Uncivilized All right, I am going to assume that this is going to work to I am going to go quasi illegally fly quadcopters Indoors with I might be violating airspace that 747 might might fly through you. Yes, but uh, let's hope not All right. Thanks, man. All right