 Alright, thanks for staying with us. Eniola, who is known for reapplying lip gloss. Ah, what's my lip gloss? And powders in his content recently posted on Twitter that he does not hide his beauty products from his parents because he grew up in love and that the internet trolls cannot disturb him. He wrote, I grew up in love when I tell my dad I love you. He says I love you too. If I go home, my mom would run outside to hug me. I don't have to hide my powders or lip gloss from my parents. There's absolutely nothing, nothing anyone on the internet wants to say that would ever get me, that would get to me rather. So we say men have one makeup throughout history, right? For many reasons. Asians, Egyptians, lined their eyes with charcoal. Asian Babylonians and icons painted their nails a status symbol. Noble men in Asia and early modern Europe wore face powders for a fair complexion. And ancient Greeks and Romans used okra and iron garl to paint their lips and cheeks to appear younger. Some people find it inappropriate for men to wear makeup, often believing it is to be girly or indicative of homosexuality. So today we are asking, right? Is it okay? Is it okay to wear makeup as a man? Is it okay for men to start to wear makeup? Please let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at where is your after one with the hashtag which? Sure. Okay. You want a makeup artist in the house first? Let us come to her. He said I will do. You are a Polish coach. At first you are just makeup artistry. Hi, Norma Efair. You know I was going to come to you first on this one. So is it okay for men to wear makeup, Norma? Did Norma leave me? Can you hear me? Okay. I can hear you now. Okay. Right. So I guess I was the one to be thrown under the bus. Absolutely. Yeah. Right. So the question is, is it okay for men to wear makeup? And my answer is it's okay for men to wear makeup. It depends on how you wear the makeup. That's the perspective I'm going to come from because makeup is not something new. Even though now it has become more trendy due to the changing times that we found ourselves, the changing attitudes of people towards men wearing makeup. But makeup is not something that started today. As far back, like you rightly said, as the Asian-Egypt times. In fact, coincidentally, the makeup at the time was seen to be a form of godliness. Right. And it was also something that showcased their masculinity at the time. So over time now, things have changed. The trends have changed. And people have different perspectives or perceptions towards makeup. But in today's world, and this is my perspective, it's important that people pay attention to themselves in form of presentation. You said I'm the Polish coach. I've had clients who are men and who have done makeup for their important events, whether it's a wedding event or an outing or even a presentation. Showing up at a TV show or something. Yes. Makeup has been seen to make a difference in people's lives. It's either used to hide bags under the eyes. So when I used to be a makeup artist for a show back in the days, and I had a TV presenter who was male. He was very particular. He had dark circles under his eyes. He had to ensure that those things don't show on set when he's airing. So those were differences, so to speak, that were made to his appearance and also helped in bringing back confidence. So makeup has been seen to do a lot of things. But where I draw the line is how men apply the makeup. For example, I have a challenge with men applying makeup that have iridescent colors to shine or shimmer because now it's a tad too much. It's okay for you to have lip gloss too because nobody wants, for example, to maybe have a husband or a boyfriend that you want to use. Child lips. Nobody wants to experience child lips when they're having an intimate moment, for example. So it's important that people pay attention to their green, so to speak. Even today, I saw a video, coincidentally, about a young man who had used some kind of spray to sort of arch his hairline. His hairline. Thank you. His hairline. And his neck. And then he brushed off part of it that was sprayed on and then revealed the hairline that was missing. Yes, while it can be too much for some people, I think it's something that has helped a number of people gain confidence, has helped a number of people to be able to project themselves in a way that is also professional. When people are groomed, when people are well taken care of, for those who have what do they call it, routine, skincare routine, who take good care of their skin. When you see them, you actually see the difference. There are people who love it rough and dirty. I don't know. There are also people who love it well taken care of. I'm one of the people that love well taken care of men. So it depends on your preference, but I think I believe it's okay for men to wear makeup. Okay, let me tell you. Is the extent to which you apply the makeup, that's where I'll have a problem. Okay, very far. Welcome to you. So we're going to make up like you, right Lucette? I'm going to start now. From the 60s to the 70s, I mean, in the 60s, a lot of men who, or the men who make up, they heat themselves, right? But by the time you got to the 70s, men became bold and they wanted people to challenge them for it. But most of the people who actually did wear makeup and were very bold with it, were rock and roll artists like David Bowie and the rest. So they want makeup to actually perform. I get what Norma is saying, and I totally agree with that. I mean, if you're talking about really loud makeup or subtle makeup, I don't even think it's gender based. It goes both ways, because we still see women who have like very tacky and very loud makeup. At the end of the day, I mean, do what works for you because if you go out there and you look a certain way, the truth is, inasmuch as you don't want people to judge you for your outward appearance, you can't control that because people will definitely judge you by what they see. So if you come out... So do you see men that wear makeup? Do you see them as gay? Did they come off? Did they rub off as gay? So to be very honest, if I meet a man who is wearing makeup right now, I would definitely think he's gay, right? But I mean, I've also seen guys who wear makeup, maybe very subtle makeup, and they just act effeminate, right? But they are not gay. What I wouldn't know, right, is what you tell me that's what I'm going to take until I'm very, very certain or very sure or you've actually like officially come out to say, oh, I'm gay, or you officially come out to say, oh, I'm not gay, but I'm still left with my opinion, right? So what I see in front of me, I'm just going to run with my opinion. And that's fine. So if you want to refute that, then you have to come out and say, oh, that's not who I am or that's not what I am. I just enjoy it very much. No, you have to just love this senyoluwa. So I saw a performer kid this afternoon. He posted, he just got his nose pierced. Okay, Jela, let me come to you. Because there's a part of lip gloss and there's a part of powder. There's a part of men bleaching their skin. You understand? Food men bleaching. This one, the men are shaping their eyebrows. You know, I took my son to the barber. The barber was really clipped across to his brow. If you see the eye that my son gave to the barber, you know, men that bleached their skins, pierced their nose, men that even do BBL. Like I've seen men that have done BBL body, you know, how do you really start to differentiate? Because I thought that certain features or certain things, certain kinds of, how do I put it now? Presentation was meant for certain kind of gender. I left for women. Yeah, is it possible that because the lines are becoming a lot blurrier these days where we don't know who is female, who is male, they say, don't refer me as what's he called. I want to be referred to as they, them and all of that. Is it possible that that's what we're seeing and is rubbing off? Let me come to you, Jehela. Okay, so, I mean, I want to talk about it from the standpoint of mental health. You see, I believe that a lot of us, a lot of people really, well, they feel unseen. They feel unheard. And people sometimes will do things that would probably give them some semblance of being seen or being heard. Now, genuinely, I mean, there are people who probably, there are men who wear makeup, just like women, you know, from the point of, I have all this sport, and I would talk from the point of view of even being a woman, you know, sometimes you have acne issues, and then it messes up your face, and then you feel less confident, especially if you have to be in public and then everybody's asking, or this and that. It's the same way, you know, men probably, some men would feel that way and say, okay, you know what, I don't want people asking me all sorts of questions. So again, makeup can be used to mask the imperfections, you know, as we see. And you see, the truth is imperfections directly in some way, you know, they impact on our mental health. If you do not necessarily feel very confident in yourself in how you look, the odds that you would act that way, you know, is very high. So for me, honestly, if you ask me, do I, you know, what do I think about men wearing makeup? Yes, I get the logic of it of why, you know, men would wear makeup, but I really, well, I mean, you know, in my head, I kind of justify, okay, an actor who is on the set, you know, or someone who has to be on air, you know, with all the lights and all that, you don't want their faces to look very blind, you want to have the picture of perfection, confidence, this beautiful face, you know, talking to millions, inspiring confidence and all that. In my head, I justify it, but I mean, out there on the street, I'm like, okay, I would probably judge. That's the truth. I would go like, excuse me, what's happening, you know. And me, I'm not sure that I have a guy friend who wears makeup. I would definitely ask him, guy, what's going on with you? So, but that's me. I mean, does it make you wrong or right? Again, I don't know. And I like what you said. The lines are getting very blurry. I mean, men calling themselves women, women saying they're men. I mean, we don't know. So, again, I don't know. So, I was going to say, I love what you said about the fact that sometimes they feel unseen and unheard, because I remember that when this young man, Eniola, had started his kids, what actually caught a lot of people's attention was the fact that he was always talking with his lip gloss. That was his own brand identity. He had to own it. And I've seen another guy, I think he's papi or something that always wears lip gloss to talk as well. I like his skates and all of that. You can tell that, again, these guys are content creators. They like to make sure that they catch your attention. And I think, what's his name? I like this one. I say, well, the egg. And Eniola successfully caught a lot of people's attention with that application of lip gloss while he's talking and all of that. But there's something that he said that really struck me. When he said something about, he would tell his father, I love you, and his father would say, I love you too. I think, again, I want to also look at this from the standpoint of probably parenting, right? Is it also possible that we're now having a lot more, what's it called, liberal parents where they're open to a lot of things? And that's why we're seeing more expressions like this. Because I mean, I have a son that would love all the, he's the one that would notice the earrings, your, oh, mommy, you just did your nails. He notices that there's a new lash extension. He notices all of those things, right? And I can imagine if, for instance, I was a kind of parent that was liberal, you know, with him expressing more of his effeminate side, it's possible that, I mean, we could have just decided, you know what, I want to wear female clothes, I want to do this, I want to do that. So are parents, you know, encouraging this act? Are they the ones making it, you know, get a lot more? You know, because right now it seems like some parents are no longer, you know, able to say, okay, you know what, these things are, you know, like draw certain kinds of lines. Maybe, I don't know, but let's take a break. I want to open our phone lines. Okay, man, you are wearing makeup. Please call us. Stay with us. All right, thanks for staying with us. If you're just tuning in, it's our Ladies' Night Out, and we are discussing the topic. Is it okay for men to wear makeup? And that's why I've left makeup for even more to do. I know we are again. So please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to the red one, 8034663. You can also tweet at us at Weisho after one with the hashtag Weisho. Okay, so, I mean, what I was talking about parenting, I don't know, is it possible that parents have this to come out? Because, I mean, in those days, there's another young man on Instagram that is always looking really made up, Daniela Gray. You know, he's always together, like, even with a woman, I don't think, you know, and he's that detailed. And I think, again, he might sort of be a New Yorker's mentor. Because Daniela Gray is like the, you know, before, if you want to list it, start from Darry Lay. Everybody knows that he who says it, that he's with it. But, I mean, Daniela Gray came and he put a bit of, you know, class to men, wearing, and like, showing up, right? He's always on point at every point in time. And he always used to say that his mom, you know, his parents, they always, I mean, there's no, like, you can't do this, you can't do that. And that's what even gave him the confidence to be able to come out and be a greater people. No. And I mean, if you hear Daniela saying that, okay, he has a lot of love in his family, his mom, dad, and all of that, you can tell that this person is actually, you know what, confident and very, very well loved and all that. So do you think parents are, like, the ones encouraging this? And should we keep on encouraging our children when we see them towing in that line? So I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say it's stemming from the parents. I would say society. Yet, there is this, there is this trend that is ongoing, the same way you have a lot of trends with women as well and a lot of people are just jumping on the trend, anything goes this, this, right? But one thing that I get to separate is for those who have love at home, who have parents that are quite supportive, they have a lot more confidence than people who do not have love at home, right? So if you come out, if you come out and you're different, once you're different, you're easily noticed, right? And if you're not confident, you get easily bullied and people would peek on you. So two things happen is either you spiral out of control or you go back into your shell and then you're hidden, right? A little backstory, I started following Eniola way before he became very popular and at the time while I was following him, he used to write, sometimes or he had a blog or something where he used to just write stuff, right? And he would post about himself on Instagram and his make up, his make up wasn't that much, just little make up, his lip gloss and whatnot and people would insult him in the comment section, it was so bad. Every time he posted something, I just go to the comment section and I get very sad. But guess what, this guy did not relent. And when I found out that he just took a few months or a year or so, I think I reported him a year before he just blew up. And then I saw seeing a lot of support, all these I'm like, ah, you people. I remember you people back then know the way they would drag him and it got to a point where he made a post one time if I can remember correctly, where he actually addressed or people, even if people come for him that he's not going to stop that he is who he is, right? So seeing this story that he just made now surprised, right? And if he's saying that he has love at home, it just shows that he has parents that are supportive and I mean some of these things that I wouldn't say kids because they're not kids, young adults or even adults are doing these days, some parents are just trying to be supportive because they don't want their kids to just completely leave home and never come back. Because people are watching, like if I see something that they're doing and I find it very trendy and very nice, I would jump on it, right? It might not be my personality, it might not even be who I identify as, but because that's what the society is excited about, that's what the society is pushing out there. Now this is society is pushing out different, you're different you're special, you're queer, you're weird. That's what everybody is celebrating these days. So I think it is more society than parents. Okay, let me quickly apologize, sorry I didn't open our phone line. Our phone line is now open, the number to call is 070-25-00-7749 that's the number to call. Remember to turn off the volume of your television set, whatever it is that you're watching us from so we don't get a feedback. If you are a man out there is it okay for you to start wearing makeup and if you have sons and you're a woman are you okay, are you comfortable with your husband or your brothers or your children or your sons wearing makeup? Just let us know. Because now it seems like it's the thing now. If you go on Instagram and you know the thing with men and makeup on Instagram, the way they do it they do it very meticulously more than I can't even deal. But let me come to you Diola and Noma, do you agree with Jennifer that it's more society than parental influence? Let me just quickly step in there. So there's a part of the society actually and I agree with Jennifer society has created this environment of this atmosphere where people can actually now self express in different forms and it's okay and they are even encouraging you to do these things. Come out, express yourself whatever it is, it is fine. That is the order of the day now. So even gender norms are also things that people are paying attention to as well. And cosmetics now, even the cosmetic industry is booming because not only are the female not only are there women that are patronizing we also have men that are beginning to pay attention to their skin, how they look how they feel, how they want to express themselves. So basically everybody is making money across board but there's also the part of and yeah that's an addition to what Jennifer has said about parents so I would start by saying that the meanings that we give things is very very important and that is why in supporting our children it's also important that we educate them about thin lines about boundaries, about things that you can do but you can also create those boundaries for yourself. Like I said there's nothing wrong with men having makeup on because gone were the days when the trend was about men looking rough and smelly you know that manliness that's what they used to call it. The times now people do not want people to smell manly about around them. They want you to go and take a shower they want you to go and spray on some good perfume or groom your underarms or things like that or even groom your beard so it depends what your preference is really people prefer people like that while some other people prefer them to be groomed but where I still stand on is the extent to which we do these things like even we say as makeup artists less is more when you put on less you look better presented than when it's all out there for example yes even if a guy wants to groom himself um two arched brows is way too much I'm not my fan guys I said arched brows there are moisturizers that you can use now that are tinted that helps to like smooten the skin which is fine but when you now apply foundation like a woman like you put it on makeup now no no no I said there's nothing wrong with makeup it's normal calm down let me explain something to you wait wait let me ask I want to say something before you continue because remember what Jennifer said that it goes both ways both a woman and a man there's a way you apply makeup it becomes an iso right what I'm trying to say to you is that if we accept makeup for men then we should be comfortable for them to do it to the whatever extent they want to do it we can draw the lines and say no don't do it this way or don't do it that way because he already said it is okay for them to wear makeup so let them wear the makeup the way they want to wear it that's why I said that there are preferences but for me less is more and this cuts across God and bringing it back to parenting now for example I have boys and yes they do use makeup they use lip balm lip gloss, lip balm chapstick and stuff like that which is okay because I want you to be well presented if you come out and you don't spray on something I'm going to send you back to say do some spray even though you've done some washing but add something to it because I want you to be presentable but when you come out with arch brows like this young man in the picture I'm going to have a problem with that I'm going to have a problem you can do it no let me take a call you know what I'm going to take a call I'm done I'm calling you I'm going to say she got a problem let me tell you believe me believe me we are good go ahead we can hear you let me tell you when you talk about learning metal it sequence me I don't even want to hear you nothing looks like original we have to go to the Bible it has aspect of he in the Bible did not put out any metal but he was accepted I'm not sure of your Bible what I'm telling you guys may be original I don't subscribe that much you should not take care of your body you should take care of your skin but not to put on like some people now they put earring they place their hair they place their face some of them have even turned their skin you will see some parts like coat, some parts like pants make up so I think I don't subscribe wearing make up let them be original like you see me I remain that way when dead come in line so I want to turn make up remain original so that when the angel will come with your blessing it will follow us thank you very much so women are not original I will finish those when they come to you you will be cracking up that that parents what they call it again when we when we make a mountain out of the mole most likely it just becomes something else and I've had argument from growing boys when you're trying to say oh do this just in the bead to properly groom them you know there's always this mind remark like oh please I'm not a CC or please are you trying to make me look like a woman and all that again that's because of the label that has been given so naturally even now when we see a guy that is properly well groomed by a guy who takes his time to cut his hair do friction, nice steady spends money to moisturize his beard and all that we lost audio like he's suspicious when the guy is doing all those things why I have one guy like that he takes himself to the spa grooms his nails does his pedicure, his manicure even me with my boys and teach them how to groom themselves and all of that it's interesting because again I like the idea that a man is well put together but I also like the idea that we're able to separate things I've seen this guy like physically the guy I have seen him my god his skin is like glass even me with a woman will get good skin I looked at him, his skin is clean do you understand and he doesn't need make up to do any of all of those things even for women the reason we wear make up most times is because we want to also hide some of the flaws that we have if you have a flawless skin Alicia Keys many years ago when you were in make up do you understand if you have a flawless skin you really don't need make up except maybe you're doing something but you know that you come out fully made up there's a lot that goes on with make up there's a lot some people hide under the guys of make up some people are not able to come out they're not confident enough so there's a lot of high health angle and all of that the truth is make up whether for man or woman is because we want to hide certain flaws we do all the make up and all the glam and all of that to look in a certain way if you left me honestly speaking I can actually do without make up because my skin is getting better and better when I saw that Elezunam's face I said oh my god even me that I'm a woman I said no no no this guy's skin is flawless his skin is clean you can see that this is somebody that takes is well groomed so I won't meant to be able to differentiate that that the fact that you're well you're grooming like you are you groom yourself does not mean you necessarily have to wear make up do you understand you can have very beautiful nails that's why I said that it's important for us to change the meaning no that's no way to change the meaning my own be say you say it is okay for them to wear light make up even you that want to accept that they can wear light make up you cannot also tell them yes you cannot tell them that they should not wear heavy make up make up is make up me what I am even advocating even for both men women if we start to groom our skin like we pay attention to our skin we need less and less make up because as time goes on you would actually be confident to stand with your skin the way you are it is because a lot of times that's why we wear make up do you understand for you to take care of your skin cosmetics as well you say what? for you to take care of your skin you're using cosmetics as well you're going to use cosmetics it's not actually cosmetics it's part of make up it's part of make up a situation where you have to exfoliate your face for example if you are removing acne it's part of make up it's a routine when you are using face wash when you are using toner there is a difference between skin care and make up and even for skin care you necessarily don't have to use what's it called what's it called like topical products on your skin skin care sometimes is from even solving a problem from within do you understand some of us don't have good sleep some of us don't eat right some of us don't eat the right fruits and veggies and you expect to have a flawless skin how is that possible you would have acne, you would break out there are things that come out with stress you have spots, you have all of those things we need to be able to differentiate it when you see a well groomed person it's different from make up so I would not subscribe to make up whether light or whatever for a man to know if you want to groom your skin and let us see your skin flawless but once you start to enter powder the only thing that can allow you is to moisturize your lip which everybody needs because of the weather but once you start to say oh let me just put small powder, small this you don't, you've lost me but it's not today that they said even back in the days where they used to take photos when you go to the photo studio you would use powder to brush you to remove oil from your skin even yes with white powder yes sunflower if you remember was very popular back in the days the truth of it is that the meaning that we have given these things have also created that atmosphere for different things to happen and that's where that's where when we educate the male so maybe we should define what make up is we can use these things white powder not be make up just take comments excuse me it is make up don't even go there dusting powder but it's not dusting powder they put on your face it's translucent powder it is not dusting powder that they use it's oil make up is make up we are taking comments we are running out of time cosmetics whether you broke eggshells it is a way to maintain your skin it is a way to enhance glow it is a way to we don't have time let us take thank you Noma so we have a comment here that says is it okay for men to wear make up my answer to your question is with a capital no make up is used to enhance beauty and not hamsomeness men can talk about beauty and men can talk about being handsome they are deeply struggling with hormonal imbalance in their life and they may have mental disposition of being gay real men cannot be seen wearing make up in their lives except if they are in a profession like art or television presentation to enhance the quality of their pictures I would personally frown always at men who are venturing into the world of women with their make up this is from Sanctus so this one says sorry a moment please this one says good evening my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying hashtag ways is it okay for men to wear make up in my own opinion the answer is no make up generally is meant for women and not men if at all men should wear make up I would suggest lip gloss just in case of the harmaton season I am entitled to my opinion men should use men's things while women should use women's things allowing men to wear make up is making them to look like women and it is totally wrong it even makes them to look like masquerades and coffee carts finally under normal circumstances men are not supposed to wear make up my name is Daniel way regular fan thank you Daniel bye bye thank you is that he shouldn't leave something for my gender okay I didn't hear that okay thank you before we go follow across all social media handles that way should Africa interact with us further drop a comment or more importantly follow all our engagements on social media like and share and invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation now if you missed our quote for today again I think men should should hop on the make up bandwagon because it lets you put your best face forward it can give you self confidence if you have an important event like how I needed it for my prom for a meeting and for a date this one is from somebody that needs to go and sort out his confidence matter we'll see you guys 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