 Welcome to the Nintendo prime podcast season two episode 37 and you know, one of our, one of our crew members decided to go eat some food or do some crazy shit. I don't know what he's doing, but he's coming back. And we are going to have a very, very good show today. We have a number of topics today. Obviously we will briefly talk about the Nintendo direct that was announced today. We'll listen to the audio version. Guess what? The direct is probably already happened. So that's why the title of this is actually not primary topic. It's going to be Nintendo switch two is we technically did predictions in our last episode of the podcast. If you're looking for podcast predictions, you know, you wanted to see if the predictions that we made were correct. Obviously you can go listen to the former one, cross check it with the, the Nintendo direct and stuff like that. For those watching live, obviously I wanted to make sure we still had a conversation about the Nintendo direct because there's some potential leaks over the weekends and stuff like that that we can go over. So, but don't expect us to talk a lot about it. We got some stuff to talk about with the Nintendo switch to that's kind of interesting, including potentially an early release next year. So we'll have to dive into that. And then yeah, there's a Zelda movie rumor floating out there that at least tickles my fancy. I don't know if it tickles your guys, but we'll get to that in a moment because I'm too busy staring at the two inch and it's making me think of pickles at the moment. And I don't, I don't know what I don't know what's happening. I need a juicy pickle. All right, then get the best dude. Dude, I like spicy ones, especially those of Zingers. What happened to those, man? They still make them. I don't know. I don't know. I'm here anymore. I have too many beers. I get them. You know what? You know what? It's festival. I bet you they'll have it when it comes in. If anybody hasn't been wouldn't see a problem. No, wouldn't it doesn't have them? Sadly. Well, you know what? You know what? He was talking about spicy pickles this whole time. Let's talk about the pickles. You know, Zingers, they're like the hostess like, they're like chocolate. I'm talking pickles. Yeah, I realized that after I thought you just want a 180 from pickle. Like pointy. I was like, man, that's what you want. All right. Well, let's go. Reset here. All right, let's go around the room where we normally introduce ourselves and what have we been playing lately? Let's start with the man to my left. Your guys is right. Mr. Andrus restarted the one who wasn't on camera when we started, but your audio listeners don't have to know that, except now you do. How's it going, man? Oh, I'm good. I'm just playing around these lights. How late was I by like three seconds? Late enough that people noticed that I wanted to, you know, dramatic control part of the be exactly was all part of the plan. So he was just doing what you call it, sliding. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm good. I'm good. I ready for tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. What are you playing lately? I actually in playing anything except for tears of the kingdom today. I discovered gosh, we have an Eric. What, that still plays tears of the kingdom? No, but like didn't play anything until the day of the podcast. Well, I mean, I OK, so when I say don't play anything, I think that's yeah, I already know you should play anything. Well, technically today, like sometimes I play things, but I there has to be a certain amount of time after you playing it for me to think it's warrants even bringing up, right? Like tactically, I play Pokemon showdown like every day, right? Like there you go. Hey, I play Madden 24 down every day. Do you know what Pokemon showdown is? No. I know what I've heard of it, but I don't remember what it is. So Pokemon showdown is a battle simulator online. OK, yeah. Basically, it's literally just the competitive that's already in Pokemon, but you can do it with any generation, any rule set and you don't have to spend 20 hours to like perfectly train like I like get the stats right. You can just plug them in, plug in everything. Yeah. So it's really great for team building. That way, you don't have to invest yourself, but I I'm too lazy to even do that. I just press random battle. So it gives me a random team. I'm on the random ladder to climb the random ladder. It is fun to have a Pokemon. It's a good way to at least kind of like get a gauge of like what the kind of popular like new competitive Pokemon are and like see some of the different sets and abilities. So yeah, but I don't count that, right? That's just like the plan every week. That's a lot. It's just kind of like when you're sitting at your computer and you're waiting for something to like download or you're listening to something like, you know, like those moments where you just want to kill a little bit of time. Are they right? Random battle for five minutes. I don't count that, but I have been playing tears of the kingdom. And today I was there. There has been there has been this puzzle in the grateful till I haven't been able to figure out because in the temple of time, there is the goddess statue and she tells you that she's trapped under water behind a stone like wall and I'm like, OK, there's a stone wall while the temple of time was body of water that I've been trying to get under there for the longest time. And I realized that it's a different body of water. I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but I figured that part out today, which is neat. Neat. Cool. Well, Eric, since you played nothing. No, I actually have a majesty. I guess I forgot that I didn't play Majesty for a little bit. Oh, Majesty. Majesty. Oh, man. What is that? It's an old computer game. Like, OK, like, like what? Like, like RPG, like, what is that? RTS. Oh, OK. It's it's almost like it's very similar to Age of Empires. Oh, OK, cool. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, we've like 100 percent of that game way back. Yeah, they are the northern expansion to sound like something I like. It's very fun. All right. So you play some Majesty. I'll play Madden 24 today. And for the first time ever, we experienced the biggest bug yet. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm pretty sure it's still a bug. I don't care what they say. My player, when I subbed him in, was green. Yeah. And he was running like he was a 50 speed wide receiver. Yeah, I don't know. Well, we don't even know if the settings we did fixed anything. We're not going to know until next season. So it is what it is. Can I can I comment in the chat? Sure. Sure. OK. It's not a positive one. Is that OK? That's OK. Dude, negativity is the best. I just I see this stuff and I'm like, it's the best wrong. So all right, I can I can I just kind of drop the name too. Like I'll feature the damn comment. Oh, what are we doing? OK, all right. It's actually it's not that old. It's pretty it's relatively King Jero 313 King Jero. OK. Is that the I don't believe comment? Yeah, yeah, that's the one I feature. You read it off. All right. No. All right. I don't believe this there has been no word on next switch consoles. This dude is believing rumors like H3 always does. I'm unsubscribing from his page, Krakow BS. So what I extrapolate from that is that they think you because you're trying to speak to me. Yeah, that's my channel. Yeah. Right. That you're just totally full of it. And that whenever you talk about these reports from the most reputable journalism sites, there are for video games that it's just a crock of BS. But like, OK, I just I'm just going to say when Eurogamer reports it when video games crowner reports it when Universal Nintendo reports it when other sites like IGN and GameXplain corroborates that reports at least are willing to also take them seriously. Like at what point do you think it's not BS anymore? Like you're first off, it just to be clear, because I don't want anyone to misinterpret what I'm saying here. You should still take it with a grain of salt because until it's confirmed by Nintendo, you never really know. Of course, if we're going to go that far, even things that Nintendo says we have to take with a grain of salt because there have been times they've made us promises and things change. So obviously until something's official until it's out, you never really know how it's going to shake out. But the whole premise that YouTubers talking about these fairly credible sites reporting this stuff is a load of BS. Well, that's on you. So I mean, and you know, you talk about, you know, believing in rumors like he always does on unsubscribing. Well, you know what was also rumored and Nintendo Direct on the 14th and we're getting into the director of the 14th, everyone. So what were they wrong? Do you feel misled? Here's the thing, obviously, I think a lot of this probably goes back to the Switch Pro stuff, right? Because all that stuff around Switch Pro and then it never came out. It's fascinating because that upset a lot of people and people don't consider circumstances. They don't really care that COVID happened and they don't care that, you know, oh, yeah, conveniently digital foundry says, you know, that those dev kits were recalled and they canceled it. Well, it's like, well, I mean, these are things that happen in technology. Like technology leaks happen all the damn time because there's manufacturers, there's dev kits, there's obviously hands on preview events. So like does this person think that Nintendo wasn't showing it at Gamescom and that every journalist on the planet is lying. About developers saying, hey, Nintendo showed us demos. It's a weird. It's just a weird sentiment because it's one of those shoot the messenger. I'm not telling you to believe this stuff. That's up to the individual. I'm just reporting on it and I can burst about it because, hey, these people are pretty reputable and when they're wrong, it can like ruin their reputations. So we're it's one of those if all you care about. And I say this all the time to people like if all you really care about is what Nintendo says, why do you watch any YouTuber? No, seriously. Why do you watch any YouTuber? You could follow Nintendo's own accounts. Go follow Nintendo's Twitter accounts. Go follow all their social media accounts. Go follow their YouTube. If you just want nothing of what Nintendo says, that exists. So bye. Anyways, dude, it's been really bad to you. You know how much flak after the direct wasn't announced on Tuesday for Wednesday and people just came. It's not happening. It's not your full of shit. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, I mean, we didn't know that it was going to happen on Wednesday, by the way, there was nobody saying it was happening Wednesday. We just thought it might happen Wednesday. Just seemed like a safe assumption. Yeah, because they've done a lot of directs on Wednesdays. But it was like there was no guarantee it was going to happen on Wednesday. The only thing stated was Necro Felipe last week said there was going to be a direct this week. And there is the PRO liking the number 13. But so what's interesting about that? Are we jumping to leaks already? No, we can talk about this quick. It just came up. What's interesting about the PRO thing, right? It says while PRO has a crystal clear track record, maybe the best track record of any leaker of all time. It when you start looking at the likes of what they're doing, it's it's kind of it feels like a slippery slope because liking something isn't you saying that it's happening necessarily. The problem is he leaked the entire last direct through likes. He set the expectation. And to be fair, the real statement is him liking the number 13 never meant the director was on the 13th. It could have just been the direct announcement, which technically did happen on the 13th. There's the thing is context. We don't know the context behind the line. Lot of interpretation. It's we don't know the context behind the likes. So are we getting to leaks yet or should I hold off? No, we'll hold off because we're going to stop it today. All right, I'll circle back. It'll be in the first topic, I guess. It's not relevant, but yeah, we got we got to go back around. You know, like you have drag, say you reported the 13th, like it was a fact. No, I talked about it possibly happened on the 13th. I never reported the 13th was a fact that never happened. But you're all the same person that hates my titles. Do you think Nate is this is full of it? Yeah, I'm full of shit. Jake's not going to respond. He's going to be like, remember that time where you were asking me. You were telling me. Yeah, I was asking what you think. What do you think of Nate? Of Nate, Nate, the hate. Oh, oh, oh, oh, no, no, obviously, I don't think that. He's like, I'm just zoning out. I'm just I'm enjoying the roasting happening right now. Or it's like, you know what? I'm going to say silent with these guys, bury themselves. Because I know that I thought your silence was one of the people that you credited for knowing about the direct was Nate, the hate. So I when you said Nate, instead of prime, that's where my mind went. Yeah, no, I guess I got to call me prime on my own podcast. Got it. I mean, it does say Nintendo Prime. It doesn't say Nate's Mr. Prime. Yes. Well, it was just what you were talking about, man. I was I was following with a context of the conversation. I apologize. Can get confusing. I'll just refer to Nate as Mr. Prime. That's all right. Mr. Prime was my father. You see your prime? Anyways, I'm in my prime. That's the way I like to think about it. Here's the thing, just to sort of set this aside and get back to obviously going around what we've been playing lately because Jake hasn't gone yet and I haven't gone yet. I think there is a common misconception when people watch videos that have rumor reports in it that are all sourced, that they look at the titles, they make assumptions and then they don't gain all the context. And then because I will or other content creators will entertain the idea of it as it's a fact. When every single time I say grain of salt, it's a rumor or I call it a leak. Call it whichever way you want. I've already stated several times publicly. Unfortunately, on YouTube, those terms get interchanged when they shouldn't be. So anytime you see the word leak, anytime you see the word rumor, you check the sources, you check the facts, you don't believe it. If you believe what is being stated, that's because you decided to not put in the extra work to click on the description and check the source, even though the source is stated and shown on screen. Like, oh, it's Nate, the hate. Oh, it's I don't know why that popped back up. Oh, it's, you know, it's coming from PRO, some person on Twitter. Who is that? Hey, you don't got to believe them. Like, it's it's clearly just rumors and it might be credible. And we might say why these people might be credible. That's not saying it's a fact. A fact is a video I put out today. Nintendo Direct announced for tomorrow. That's a fact. That's a crock of BS. Damn rumors. Damn rumors. I'm unsubscribed yesterday. Nintendo Direct on Thursday. Question mark in the title that is stating this is not a fact. It is a rumor. But, you know, people just, you don't like the game. Don't don't hate the player. Hit the game. I don't understand. I kind of change my mind. I think Nate is full of shit. That's likely, likely. I don't know. You don't even want to know you cut me. It's not blood that comes out. Wow. That's disgusting. I did want to kind of like talk about something else. It's kind of an interesting to me that I think is like semi-related to this. Oftentimes we get like articles, right? And then they say, oh, this is coming from said and said person, very credible. Okay. But it gets tricky is that like, we remember that they're credible because they got into some things, right? But how often do we cross-reference and like actually track down the history of these people? Like, I feel like most of them want to read an article that's like, hey, like, so for example, we're going to talk about these all the live action. Like, the articles will say, hey, this person has a good track record, but they don't show the track record. I just have to take their word for it. Dude, if you follow our comicwork.com, everyone who ever says anything has a good track record. Yeah, so that gets kind of tough, right? Yeah. They say I have a good track record, so I think they might be right. If someone is noted as credible on comicbook.com, they are. Yeah, legit. Dude, I mean, come on. Every word that comes out of Zippo's mouth is a big headline for them. 100% credible. Yeah, I will say this. I do tend to take more seriously people where there's a face to it, right? Because someone that's just behind like immediately. Has something on the line. Yeah, like, so, you know, for example, like Papa Geno's the other day said something about Smash Bros. I'm more likely to trust Papa Geno so they am Zippo. Why? We get to see, we can interact with Papa Geno's, right? Like, we know this person, like there's, you get a sense of what their personality is, right? We have no idea who Zippo is. At least I don't, right? Or P.R.O. I mean, I don't even know who the hell Nate the hate is, but at least we hear him on a podcast. Right, at least we hear his voice, right? We hear his voice, and so there's at least more understanding of that person's personality and this person goes on different podcasts and things like that. So, there is a difference there. I'm just saying that when there's a personality behind it, I can at least make an assessment on their character somewhat, you know what I mean? We all do that. We make assessments on people's character, but when it's just like an alias, and they can say whatever the hell they want and what's it to them? Like, what do they have to lose? Literally nothing. There is a difference there. Yeah, I don't know. This gets into the whole leaking rumor culture. We've had this conversation on the podcast before. In the end, you don't have to like it. You don't have to watch. You don't have to partake. No one's making you do it, you know? So, hey, you don't like the content, it's cool. 131,000 other people like my content, so. I can still add him. So, he's listening. He's listening. He's listening, yeah. He's like, I unsubscribe, but I am gonna still listen because I wanna, I wanna clip this stuff and throw it up. Go right ahead, clip away, make a short out of it. Let's go. Anyways, let's get to Jakey. What have you been playing lately, bud? So, as you know, I won the Pokemon Scarlet Violet DLC drop. I was playing it right away. Haven't finished it yet. Played for like a couple hours last night, few hours today. Probably getting close to the end because I don't think it's more than like five or six hours. From what I've heard, so. But, you know, it might even take me longer because I've been doing so much exploring. It's a pretty nice, sizable area. It takes you to like, it's kind of like what they did in Sword and Shield. It takes you to a completely different like map. It's bigger than the DLC areas in Sword and Shield though. It's more than just like an island. I heard it's about like the quarter of the size of Paudia. Yeah, so yeah, it's pretty decent. And I've had a lot of fun exploring, seeing the new Flash returning Pokemon. That's one of my favorite part of the game is just literally to explore and to collect. I always complete the Pokedex, all that stuff. And like I mentioned to you guys right before the stream started, I really liked the story with the legendary Pokemon for this one. I don't wanna spoil anything at all. But I'll just say that like, it is much better than the average Pokemon story and kind of got to the heartstrings a little bit. I felt that a little bit with the Arvan storyline in the main game too. And since I don't wanna spoil that either, if you know, you know. But besides that, before the DLC came out yesterday, I was playing, I actually got inspired from last week's podcast to try to beat Pokemon Stadium one and two on Kinect O with a rental Pokemon only. So I beat Pokemon Stadium one and then I beat Pokemon Stadium two, the first round through. Now I have to beat all the Kanto gym leaders in Pokemon Stadium two and then beat the Elite Four again. So that's, that's where I'm at with that, but. Nice. So a lot of Pokemon this week, I've been loving it. Fix the damn game. I'm not buying the DLC until they fix the damn game. Yeah. I'm not supported. I'm sorry. I don't care if the DLC is good. It's like the same performance, but just like in the base game, the amount of fun outweighs that. It doesn't, like if it made it like frustrating to play, I wouldn't play it. And that's what I do with a lot of games. But with that game, if the amount of fun I'm having is still up here, like gen one with all of the- I'm not judging you, Jake. You're good. No, no, no. I'm just explaining myself. Just explaining myself. Gen one with all the glitches to me is still like part of the fun almost. I never experienced a single glitch. It's like that kind of the thing where it's like, it doesn't affect my, my enjoyment. So that's why. I'm not saying this should get a pass. Like it's BS. They have done no, no actual performance patch updates. And they're probably not going to. And I don't think it should get a pass for that. But I gotta admit, I'm kind of a sucker for Pokemon in this game. Scratch had it for me a lot better than Sword and Shield did. So I bought, I bought the base game. Like I have it. And I played a lot of it because I told people I was going to give this gen a try. Did you beat it? Like the credit? No, I didn't get that in credits. Because here's the thing. I'm pretty deep in. I'm pretty deep in, but here's the thing. I'm getting deep in and yeah, I was having fun. But after a while, the FPS issues started really grading on me more than I expected. And I started getting headaches. And I'm like, you know what? Why? It's still fun. But like, I just, I shouldn't have to put up with this with a triple A, you know, what's supposed to be a triple A IP. Like it's just, this is unacceptable. So like, I'm gonna like, you know what? I'm not beating it on principle. It's like on principle, I won't beat the game. What I don't respect is, you know, people that rhyme with, you know, car GT, dating, dating five that don't even play the game and have criticisms like 10 times harsher than what yours just was. If you gave it a try and you have legitimate reasons, how could anyone bash you for that? You know, even if I'm a super fan, like that's valid. But like when people don't even remind myself if he comes on to bring Pokemon up, I want to see the fireworks. Oh, it's gonna be great. I'm just gonna sit back while you guys go. I love, I love Shani. He's funny, but sometimes when this takes, man, I'm just like, come on. But yeah, I know. I won't buy, I won't buy the DLC on principle. They don't get any more money out of me until they fix the game. And since they're not fixing the game, then look, you might get me to try the next legends game because the last one was good. But you mess that one up. Then I don't know. Like I might not buy the next Pokemon game. It's got performance problems. I just come on. What's funny is it like, you're stuck together game for some of the stuff I've seen with the with the deal. So like, I feel like the game looks kind of good. But when I see footage of the game just halting for three seconds, that does kind of it's disappointing. And here's what sucks. I'm someone who doesn't hasn't really enjoyed Pokemon in a long time. And I really did enjoy RCS a lot. And I was actually having fun with this one, even though it didn't have the catchy mechanics like I wanted from RCS, which is fine. It's cool and back to more traditional. But I was actually enjoying it a bit. Some of the freedom of it and the dual adventures going on. And I'm like, this is really neat. And then there's just little things like outside of the performance. And I don't want to make this like, hey, let's let's criticize Pokemon. It's gone by. It's been destroyed enough online by people. But there's like little things like I can't enter all the buildings. And like it is just that's not a little thing to me. Yeah, that's a big thing for me. But you could do it in all the prior games and like now it's. Yeah, it or just they're just there to look pretty. Scotland by it's a good game. It's a good game. I think they did some they made some really smart decisions. I think there's some real like quality creativity there. But it feels like it needed another adventure is that lead up to the gym battles. Those are kind of fun. Some of them. Yeah, we're a little little more tedious, but some are great. No, I think the gym that the gym stuff was cool. But yeah, the tent. But that's the only part of the town is good. Yeah, yeah, because like most of the town, you can't. Like the town is like the open. You can't do any. Yeah, yeah, I it's there to look pretty. I I also I'm kind of tired of talking about Pokemon in the sense that because whenever we talk about just, oh, yeah, the performance problems suck. Oh, they should have made. I can't do it. Anytime someone brings it up, I'm just going to keep saying, yeah, I can't play it anymore. Performance sucks. Moving on. Yeah, it's good to hear, though, that at least from Jake, that like the story is good. And that has me kind of interested because I actually thought the story for Scott and Viya leading towards the end was also really good. And the fact that map is kind of sizable, like I am interested. I'm just, you know, performance, but I'll probably honestly, there might be some like bias, too, because I tried to get into Starfield and I just I don't think it's a bad game, but it's just so not for me and I couldn't get into it. And I wasted hours trying. But again, I mean, I'm not enjoying it so far. Like it's a different structure of folks are valid because those are my opinions on Starfield. Well, at least you tried it. But like I recognize that like it's not that it's bad yet. And at least you tried it. That's what I mean. Yeah. But, you know, part of it was also just totally overwhelmed by so much stuff to do that didn't seem like the rewards were. Worth it. And when I first started the Pokemon DLC, I kind of like got like PTSD to that to some extent. Like, oh, my God, this is kind of overwhelming. Wings open space. Yeah. But an hour after into playing, I'm just I just felt like at home. Yeah, it was like, it was like, you know, chicken noodle soup, apple pie, discomfort. Like, and I just I've been having a great time. Cool. And the marvelous medicine that Chad was like, I disagree with your ethics. Example, I shouldn't have given up on the Zelda series of the Spirit Tracks. You know, I know note that I didn't say I was giving up on the Pokemon series. I said, if the problems that bother me are persisting in the next games. So imagine that Spirit Tracks, the next Zelda game, was another Spirit Tracks. And the next one after that was another Spirit Tracks. And the one after that was another Spirit Tracks. Guessing you probably would have gave up on Zelda. What's wrong with Spirit Tracks? I don't know what he's I don't know. Hey, if you were just a different source for different folks, so obviously, I don't like Phantom Hourglass, but I love Spirit Tracks. It is what it is. Everyone's got different likes and dislikes and stuff. There's also more than one main line. I get like Spirit Tracks is obviously not like the primary Zelda effort. Right. Like it's it's. It's it's not made by the means of the team. What are we talking about? You know what? We're not here to debate this today. Maybe if you want to bring it up to the Zelda movie topic on to me. What have I been saying lately? Starfield, a little bit of Starfield. Yeah, I put in about three hours, you know, not much for how big this game is. That's like a drop in the bucket. But that's how I'm going to play this game. It feels like a game that never ends. And so I'm going to play it like one that never ends. I'm just going to pick it up, play it here and there. Like I did World of Warcraft. What what are your pronouns? Here we go. I'm not going there. We're not going there. You're in the game, aren't you? It's OK. I am, too, depending on how I feel. Oh, my God. No, I'm a he. I've always been a he when I always be a he just for the record. But not all of the Zelda team was working on that is for that is funny. That's your opinion. Well, my pronouns are my opinion. So there you go. Yeah, well, so I wasn't talking about games. Anyways, the other games got I played a little bit of Tears of the Kingdom. And then I'm just doing side quests and stuff. And I already beat the game, so I'm just kind of chilling around. I don't know if I ever 100 percent it, but I'm that's just because I'm never going to get all the Korak seeds. I'm just I don't I don't need to go again. Everything except the Korak. Yeah, I don't need the golden poop again. But, you know, it did you. I wish they had at least what did you get the golden poop? One time. One time. Yeah. Wow. But it's the same. It's the same reward. It would have been nice if they would have like, look, OK, if you're going to give me a poo again, like make it some fancier looking thing. And it's just the same. So I'm like, you know, why? Why go through all that work for the. I mean, just I guess you can also say you did it is really you can make him do the old dance to anytime you want. I like to do dance that I want to. Well, you can make him do that one anytime you want to with it. Anyways, so what else I play and then Madden 24, which honestly, I've had it's been a relatively bug free experience until today. Today, Eric and I were playing in the Super Bowl and it literally subbed out all of our starters. And then when we would manually try to sub them back in, like go into the formations and sub them back in, they would have no stamina. Wait, speaking of Madden, so this is a game. I got it to a moment of silence for your guy. And I got my guy. Jordan loves my carma for what Aaron Rodgers ending his career for plays in. I don't think his career is all right, but I think he's going to come back next year. But he's going to come back here to the Packers. Let's put it this way. If Zach Wilson looks like he did last game, every game. And that's what he's looked like every game he's played in the NFL. Then yeah, he's going to come back because they don't have a saying. It's not they can't even trade the first round picks to go get a corner. Zach Wilson continues to play better than Joe Burrow, Josh Allen. He didn't play, but he played better than Josh. Alex is Josh Allen through three interceptions, but he did. He threw 140 yards. Josh Allen has the most interceptions in the NFL in the last four years. Yes, I understand what you're saying. Zach Wilson only threw the ball 21 times. He had 140 yards. Remember, he was in the game basically the entire time, but one drive. And even then, he subbed in on that drive. And on top of that, he threw an interception and a touchdown. That's not going to win you playoff games. Josh Allen doesn't go anywhere in the playoffs. So I don't know why we're even bringing him up. But Josh Allen lost to that performance. He lost to that defense. Yeah. The Jets defense is insane. You know, I'm just being a contrarian. I know you are. I know you are. Usually I'm the contrarian, so it's weird to have another one on the show. Conspiracy. Anyways, I don't do it. I don't care that you know, Mexico and the Malians, though, here we go. I heard conspiracy in my brain, which is like, hey, the only thing about the Aaron Rodgers thing is I I feel bad for the NFL because it was a cool story for a lot of fans. I feel bad for Jets fans because last time they felt like they had a chance with Vinny Tester birdie and he had like the same thing happen. So like I feel so bad for them. But I also don't because I truly do think he's going to come back next year. So they're still going to get at least one year of him, maybe two, if he ends out, you're healthy. But we'll see. That's on that's on them to sort out on their end. On my end, dude, I'm a Packer fan, baby. Jordan Love looked phenomenal. It's he overthrew a few things. And I can't get excited because the bears suck to be clear. The bears are horrendous. I wouldn't be surprised if they go on 16. They don't have a quarterback. What you don't have a quarterback for 17 now. It's even worse to be the first on 17 team. Because it wasn't in Detroit on 16. And there's no one I can question. What year did the Packers remove Fudge from the beginning of their name? Or is that just always implied? Well, I mean, they used to be called the Acme packing company. Way back in the day, way back in the day, that's where they came from. Yeah, yeah. I know what you're doing. Yeah, the bra. OK, you weren't too quick on that one. I'll leave you alone. It's OK. Anyways, it's not playing anything else. I think that's all it's all I've really played. Obviously, the NFL stuff came out because I was talking about my head. And so all right, let's get into our first topic. Took us a while to get there because we got sidetracked. That's all right. The type of direct. So look for our audio listeners by the time you listen to it, it's already happened. So whatever. We don't know what's going to be in it. Maybe there's some leaked stuff in it. Maybe not. We don't know. But it was announced for the 14th at 9 a.m. My time anyways. So what do we think we have those leaks? I mean, I don't think it's happening. I think that's a rumor. That's a rumor. Yeah, fake rumor. Yeah, Jeff Grubb, you know, Nathan. I can't believe the official. If your account is spreading these rumors, you know, it was hilarious about about it when like I mentioned that. Oh, on Twitter, I mentioned all these people that said the 14th and they're just like, why are you believing fake leakers? Fake fake fake fake and then every single one of those comments after it was announced, they all deleted like everyone deleted. They don't they would like, what is it about? Here's what I'm saying. It's fine to be critical and come at me, even though I'm just sharing stuff that other people are sharing or come at those people. But when they're proving correct, why do you hide from your fuck up? I make mistakes. I comp to them all the time. Hello, didn't know the ending doctrine of time like a dumbass. But are you talking about that? We had. Yeah. Why do you why you hide? Why do you hide? I don't get it. So here we have this guy named Pioro leaking stuff over the weekend. Supposedly he leaked a bunch of stuff for the last direct. Is that how you pronounce it? Or is it like Puro? I don't know. I say Pioro. My first instinct, you know, Pioro, I don't know. Look, it's a user online. It could be. He's the only one that really knows how it's supposed to be said. Anyways, the red penguin, the red bird, that's what he uses for his profile picture. And that the last intent or direct didn't really pay him much attention because I didn't really know anything about him. And then everything he said, all the tweets he liked, all the little cryptic hints he put out, all of it happened. So that's why people are super excited about him for this direct because he's doing the same thing again. He's liking tweets. He's putting out cryptic messages and then sometimes not so cryptic ones because he decided to if he's right and we'll get to the things he said, if he's right, I love what he did because last Friday, all he did was basically tease a Donkey Kong in an F zero game. He teased. He didn't say what it was. He just teased that a DK and F zero game are going to be in this direct. And he left it at that. And then people like New Marco Mauro, this new guy, Jonathan Bark, that I don't know why anyone believes anything this guy says. He clearly making everything up. You absolute joke, Jonathan. Yeah, total joke. He's going to bark up the wrong tree, buddy. Anyways, the next day, he clarifies by basically stating that it's that through tweets that he liked that it's an F zero 99 because he mentioned that Pacman 99 is leaving in October. That's quite interesting. And then people respond to say, oh, F zero 99. And then he liked like a bunch, like eight of them, eight people that said he liked that. And then crazy about that is I didn't realize they had made 98 of them already. Yeah, right. Right. Yep. Right. And then the other thing was in Vietnam. So that's why they finally it's going to be localized here. So he responded to the his Donkey Kong leak and he just said, you know, hey, who's in the scene right right after this happens. And then he posted a screenshot of the scene from the movie with Donkey Kong and Mario fighting each other. And then someone responded and said, oh, did this game involve minis? And then he said yes. And it's like, oh, OK, well, that's Donkey Kong versus Mario because that's what the minis are in. So that's what the games was that he was teasing. And all these other leakers that he quote, we didn't send should delete their accounts. We're all talking about, oh, man, we're going to get this big 3D Donkey Kong game. We're going to we're going to get, you know, a new brand new F zero. Like they were building off the stuff he said. So if he's right, I find it hilarious that he almost trolled without lying on the first day that he was leaking stuff just to call out people that are just making things up. But this assumes that he's right. We don't know until it happens. I'll give you another example. He said that we in DS related game is going to happen. All right. And then he liked someone who mentioned another code slash trace memories, which is a game that was on we in DS. It's not in the published, is it? I don't think so. I don't know 100 percent. I put footage of it in my video earlier today. I don't remember. That's why we in DS one was Nintendo published. Was it? Did he specify that? Well, no, no, he didn't specify that. He didn't know it doesn't matter if it's. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Well, well, I just I only ask because the majority of the things he tends to our first party. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And this isn't so that's all. And then he said that Princess Peach Games is going to be in there, which I mean, I think most of us probably assumed it would be in there. Anyways, especially now that we know it's winter, right? Like, you know, that's mostly 2024. And we know it's a 2024 game. So I think we expected to probably see it. Anyways, but he said notably we would get a title and then he's sort of possibly into what the title was when he put it out in Japanese Showtime Princess Peach Showtime. And if that's what it's called, I mean, it makes sense because it's it's honest. It's honest. Yeah. So we'll have to wait and see. Again, we're going to know all of this by the time most of you audio listeners listen to the show, you'll already know if any of this stuff is true. And it might all sound insane. But again, the reason we pay attention is because he got so much right at the last one. The big thing, obviously, that people question is he like that thing a few weeks ago that said, you know, what do you think about the number 13? And he liked it. And then the director happened on the 13th, the announcement happened on the 13th. But I always say, here's the funny thing about all of his tweets. We don't have the full context. It's just speculation. Right. So what's interesting is technically, technically, if we get a brand new mainline Donkey Kong and Mario vs. Donkey Kong in the direct, he wasn't wrong. He wouldn't be wrong. He would have technically teased both. And if we get as your GX remastered and at zero nine nine. He wouldn't be wrong. And, you know, I'll sound as your 99 thing. I'll say this. This is kind of something I came I kind of personally came to the conclusion of because I I enjoyed the roller coaster of emotions over the weekend. But the initial tease is that F zero fans are going to be happy with this direct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So either a it's the whole leak is wrong or G. The F zero nine thing is really, really sick or C. He's out of touch. I know I bet you the F zero 99 things going to be sick, if it is true, because there's a certain mechanic in one of the F zero games that makes so much sense, the death wheel, that would work so good. Yeah, the death race that that would work so good. And it's for those of no death races. It's 30 racers and you go on one. It's one continuous lap and you just slowly annihilate every one until there's one remaining. So that would be cool. That would be perfect for a 99 game. It would be great for a 99 game. But if that's the only a zero thing, I would be disappointed. Could that not be something they're using to test the waters to see like how how many players play it loving and excited. That's a way to build up the name again before that's a smart thing to do before releasing a main game. It's a less risky thing to do, I think would be the way to put it, because they'll just add it for free on NSO. So it won't be trying to make money necessarily. Well, not only is it less risky. It's a smart way to build up name recognition with younger gamers before. Yeah, I suppose I don't know who F zero is outside of Smash Bros. Yeah, or maybe they know Captain Falcon is, but they don't know what the game play is. Right. Yeah. Oh, a Falcon Punch. I'm like, well, you could play the game. It's not really what it's about. It's not really well, Falcon Punching people. But I had a when I was in New York once the video game bar and they had Falcon Punch here on you. Nice. Yeah, OK. Anyways, if it's anything like the bars you took me to, I'll pass. Oh, that was that was Murphy's law or anything that can go wrong will go wrong. That's what's called Murphy's law. Well, this is also when I found out that like all the bars in Boston shut down in like midnight. And I'm like, what are you? You're open till two. You're not not the good ones. The dive bars are open till two. Yeah, I know you guys told me. I don't know for sure because I only went where you brought me and I'm a little scared to go back just a little. I want to go back to zero. And that's a dive bar like you would think every bar almost got to the back. I don't know if you guys saw the bar fight outside like the wedding party in Newport, Rhode Island. I was there. Actually, I started it. What? I was there. I was there. Oh, I didn't I didn't my video that's on TMZ and going around Twitter right now. One of my friends, I'm not like one of my close friends. I was there with like a group of 20 plus and I was way ahead of the group where when the fight took place. So I didn't even see it in person. I just saw the cops like running and running by me and yelling. That's crazy. But yeah, that was crazy. I mean, I was just sort of aliens at this point. We're not even talking about video games. I'm trying to talk about it. I know. Sorry. No, it's all right. You want to talk about aliens. I'm down with the aliens. I've seen a whole bunch of stuff on Twitter. I don't really know how. I don't really know what to think about any of it. Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of confused that the Mexican government is talking about these ancient mummy aliens from Peru. But, you know, it's interesting. I mean, it's interesting, especially if they're real. I don't know how it's interesting. When you also account for what happened like a month ago. Yeah, I know. Right. Right. Right. Right. And then if anything else is going to serve me. Anyways, yeah. I mean, UFO settings have been on public news for the last few years already. So it's it's not. Anyway, that this is not a this is a different this is not a conspiracy theory, alien. I will say this, though. I will say this, though. A few years ago, I saw you to you to change some of their policies so channels that did focus on conspiracies like aliens. They don't get pushed. So yeah. So so you guys know why we haven't launched the prime files channel yet. Yeah, there's some kind of there is a certain level of censorship because that was deemed as like idiotic, like misinformation. And the fact we just brought up aliens means we're going to get sensor. And watch our viewership drop to 10 and suppressed. He compressed. Anyways, F zero. So so what do you think of space world creatures? I guess. I I I think the F zero GX thing is is still happening. I have a hard time believing that it's not. I watched the Nate the hate podcast and he reiterated that he had heard as your GX. Yeah. Now he I've heard it last summer. Right. I mean, I also heard something too. Separate from you. Like I heard last year in the summer, I heard now. Granny, I don't want to put too much stock into the sources that I have on it. Sure. You know. But enough different people seem to have heard. Right. And then there's the Silux Hunter thing, which heavily teased at zero. Zero being a thing. And they actually were in that in the thread for the puro thing. Yeah. Suggesting that. Yeah, here we are. But then afterwards. Yeah. And so we're really basing this off just likes. So I just my perspective is. If it's really F zero, so like F zero in general was brought up. Right. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't say. Yeah. Silux Hunter didn't say it would be F zero GX. That that he didn't he didn't say that. Yeah. No, just an F zero zero. Yeah. I guess my main point is that I have a hard time believing that like a F zero and ninety nine, which is just one lap, you know, there's no like there's no grand prize. There's a very basic thing with Super Nintendo visuals that most people may only play for a few minutes and never touch again. Like I I understand the concept and I think it could be really cool. But it's also as it was like really niche, right? Like zero is not Mario. F zero is not even Donkey Kong or Pac-Man. Like is that what they're going to choose to be the ninety nine game? I think I think it is more to this than what people would be more interested in playing an F zero ninety nine than a Pac-Man ninety nine. We the core gamer, but the anyone that owns a switch. Pac-Man's not that big of a deal anymore. Exactly. That's what I know what it is. People know what it is. Is my is my point. I don't my kids don't know what Pac-Man is. Yeah, you should take them to history class or something. Well, that's your opinion. I know back. Pac-Man is Pac-Man is is clearly more important to history than F zero is. Right. But people aren't playing games because they're more. It's not like I'm playing like, you know, like Teddy Roosevelt, like adventure on my switch. Like it's yeah, it's more important to history. But like Pong is more important to history. But people today, kids today don't know what Pong is anymore. That's what I'm saying. Like like, but do you think you think it's zero downloads, installs and people playing F zero ninety nine would be way more hype than Pac-Man ninety nine. All right. Well, let me ask you. Well, let's let's let's let's let's kind of envision this ninety nine thing. Right. Like what do you envision that? What do you envision the F zero ninety nine actually is right? Because I think what Nate said and what you were talking about is probably spot on and they might add some more. I mean, it's going to be not thirty racers. It's going to be ninety nine and then suddenly might add some more stuff to it. So I don't really know what they would add. But I mean, already that base idea sounds pretty cool. Yeah, I think this is one of those. If you're a big F zero fan, this isn't what you want, but it's not really about that. It's about making more people aware that F zero isn't just a captain falcon guy and smash. What kind of graphics does it have? All the ninety nine probably just like eight, sixteen bit styles, probably, right. I mean, also, ninety nine vehicles are there's not even ninety nine. Oh, that's ninety nine from you. Oh, dude, Mario thirty five. We were all Mario. What are we talking about? Yeah. And you know what? That makes me feel like maybe maybe it could be like. Like it's probably your one color and everyone else is a different color on yours. And there's only one stage. It's just a circle. Maybe they have multiple stages. Maybe that's the thing like every time you play, you can be on a new rate, a new core Mario. It let you advance to the next stage. Right. So there could be an advancement where there's more stages like the prior ones. Who knows? Here's the thing. It's not really the ninety nine games aren't really meant to be this big deal. They're just meant to be a taste. They're meant to be a taste. Yeah. And they want to Mario thirty five. They wanted Mario thirty five. I've got Mario copies. So the question is could they announce an F zero GX remaster and ninety nine with the F zero remasters for next year? And until then, you can play this. And this is what leads into launching that. I'm OK with that. Obviously, I think anyone would be OK for that because that means you're getting a normal zero. I've noticed that a lot of people's predictions they've been kind of predicting that F zero GX would be like the shall drop game he remaster. But I've been on a different kind of train for the last few months, because I also heard the next level thing, right? Like outside of when you reported on that. Yeah, yeah, outside of the public report. So I mean, I don't have enough reason to believe it four and a hundred percent foolhardily. But if it's next level games, that implies it's not just a basic GameCube upscale. It actually is how it's there's big work being done on it. Right. Well, do you think they're going to you think they're going to workshop that name a little bit because it's kind of funny that you're taking a game where like half the title is zero. They're just going to call it F zero GX ninety nine to it. Like is it going to be called F ninety nine or F zero ninety nine seems like I don't know. They'll just call it F zero ninety nine. Just like they call it half man ninety nine. That's the name of the brand. I mean, yeah, it's it's like it would be calling as it would be like saying the legend of ninety nine, like that one wouldn't work. Well, that's because it's not called the legend of zero. I get where you're saying, but also it wouldn't be a zero and zero is spelt out and ninety nine wouldn't be. Yeah, that. Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, there's that out. Yeah, anyway, with the F zero GX remaster, like I don't think it would be a shell. My if assuming the next level room were true, which again is an assumption that we don't know. But if that is true to me, that doesn't that screams not a shadow drop that screams announcement with a few months of hype leading up into it. Like I do expect it to be coming out next year. So if that's what it is, like if ninety nine is like a shadow drop or something, I'm for that. I'm OK with both. I would be disappointed if we went to the GX remaster, though. That's that's just yeah. Got any thoughts there? I got one question on it. That's it. Yeah, I got a question. I got a question for everyone. Go around the circle. What do you think the best ninety nine game could be if you could pick any tomorrow at thirty five and they took it away from us. That hasn't been done. I actually do. So while I've been kind of like speaking a little bit, I do believe as there would any nine makes the most sense. And the way I actually envision it's not just death race, because if you're going to do it as you're ninety nine, you actually have to be a race with maybe death race elements. So maybe as as you progress, serve people are eliminated, kind of like fortnight, how like it's a it's a battle royale. Right. That's kind of like the idea of the ninety nine games anyway. And as the match progresses, the stage gets smaller and smaller. So if you're lagging behind, the track will just like break away and you fall and die. Right. But like death race, you can just straight up be murdered and you fall at the stage and die anyway. But the idea is to kind of stay relevant in the race, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. And it's like every, you know, maybe 30 seconds, 60 seconds, 10 people drop out, 10 people drop out or more. I got a different one until until the very last stretch. And then it's like a race to the finish. And I got a different one. OK, battle toads, ninety nine. So battle toads is already notoriously difficult. So what you would do is like the vehicle levels. That's what makes it. But even the vehicle levels that that could be part of it. That could be an advancement stage. So like you would start out, maybe just playing like the first level of battle toads or whatever. And obviously, if you die, you're done. You know, if you die, you're out. OK, this is what it is. But as people get down and get down, let's say that like, oh, you start with ninety nine. When you get to 50, all of a sudden it all changes. And now you're now you're in a race level. Now you're in a race level. And you get down to like 10. All of a sudden you're in 10. And now you're on the going down the down the chasm levels. And it's literally just if you die, you're out. It is what it is. Last man standing. Yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, I mean, they could find other ways to advance it. And maybe there's other stages you can unlock as you level up and stuff. But yeah, it would it would be I think, hey, the battle toads is awesome. I know a lot of people like hate it because of how difficult it is. But dude, a lot of games back then were difficult. I do you get good at battle toads. It's great. Now the racing levels are rough. But they're really. But when you get through it, you definitely feel like you accomplish it and you never want to do it again. So I don't know. That's just one. Eric, you got an idea for a 99 game? Conker's bad for a 99. What do you do? How's it work? Teddy bears and the weasels of the multiplayer. Oh, yeah. Ninety, ninety bears. Teddy bears or weasels. Run around just trying to murder each other. Yes, peeing on each other. Oh, yeah. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Battle Royale, basically. That's awesome. Yeah, those are some good ideas out in the live chat too. In our library, double dragon and Contra sounds good. Contra sounds good. Yeah. Somebody said, I know it's not a Nintendo game, but I think a Warriors 99 game would work. Well, sure. Because every time you defeat a certain number of enemies, you could dump enemies in someone else's battle or skirmish. You know what I mean? Yeah, it would be directly head to head. It'd be more like Tetris 99. OK, I just thought of one. That's a good idea, though. OK, pick the 99. You play as the Pikmin. You're a single Pikmin. And all of Mars is no bit. But then you're not being controlled by all of me being controlled by Louis and Louis. Tell me more. I'm intrigued. But yeah, like what am I doing? If I'm controlled, I'm confused. Oh, yeah. I mean, well, it. You don't want to die. Right. The idea is to control myself. Someone else. Well, so as a Pikmin, right? Like you have a certain a certain genetic instinctual predisposition to kind of listen to commands of someone as great as an Alomar or a Louis. OK. But Louis, we know Louis is not very trustworthy, right? Louis would is more likely to maybe send Pikmin in a very dangerous environment, right? So you're in a circumstance where Louis has 99 Pikmin and you are one of those Pikmin as are all other NSO players or a Pikmin and he's sending you out into a dangerous environment and the idea is to survive. But there will be moments where you're called back. So like you're you're like in a stage where you're being chased around by Bulborbs and you're trying to survive. And you also try to get points by killing things, but you're also risking your own life. And there will be moments where you'll be called. And it's kind of like your perspective changes because you have to listen to Louis. And that's what it is. OK, let's just. And then at the end, it's it's a mass extinction, except for one Pikmin. That is that is super creative. And there you go. They should be hiring you. I'd have to see an action to even get a grasp on how that would feel to play. But that is definitely out there. So I do anything else. I like this director all creativity for sure. Before we move on. Is it exactly like more ambitious than the other 99 games? That's for sure. Yeah. It's not about that. Anything else you guys want to say on the ground before it happens? I'm excited. What I want? I have one thing I want to end it on. But I know you're like, well, who? What? That's what I'm saying. We just talked about the 99 stuff. What about everything else? There's a drill. OK. So all right, let's talk about another code, too. But I can go first if you really prefer to. And I'm yours. What I got one as well that I want to talk about. Like, it's not a prediction. It's just like based off the leaks that I don't go for it. Talk about it. Maybe you're saying I want to do because it transitions to the next one. OK, we'll save you. We'll save you for that for at the end. OK. All right. What's what's yours, Andres? We want to hate me. You already know. So, you know, P.R.O. talked about what will close the direct and he hasn't said anything since it's been like three days and he just won't completely, completely silent. And to me, the reason that's interesting is because I think he knows. Or she, I don't know. They they know, right? I just think they're they decided not to spoil it anymore. And it's it's I think they're hyping up something big. I don't know what that big is. Dude, there's so many crazy theories around the fact that because he put that up on Saturday, right? Yeah, there'll be four days of silence. Then the direct happens, Metro. Oh. Why do you think four? Because Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and then the direct hits Metro. Oh, man, Terry Fowler, guitar hero. Ninety-nine would be so sick. Oh, that's just I'm just saying that, like, that's the speculations that people have right now is that it's four days of silence. Oh, space. You know, it happens in space. What's a what's a game with a four and it's already announced that they haven't shown. Yeah, it is the last big Nintendo Switch game that we don't know about. And I think I think this maybe this kind of translates into the next topic, but no, like. OK, because Jake does. And I have one thing I want to I want us to do quickly, too, before we get to when it's fine. But anyway, my point is, is that, like, there is a conversation to be had, I think. That's why I made a video on it today, that this may be the last big general Nintendo Direct that's just about Switch. Sure. So, you know, with that said, this direct could be like the direct that kind of gets out all the remaining announcements before Nintendo has their Switch 2 presentation. I'm assuming early next year. So Prime 4, a lot of people seem to think it's definitely a 2024 title. It just really comes down to when in 2024 is coming out. So that said, if Prime 4 truly is a 2024 title and is absolutely coming for Switch, then it could. It's very conceivable for it to be in this direct. Like that's not a stretch. The only reason why I have doubt at this stage of Prime 4 being the direct is because I at this point, I think it's probably a cross gen title. So then it comes down to does Nintendo want to tease it before Switch 2? And maybe it's not that I fundamentally disagree with you that I don't think it's cross gen. Well, then you have to switch. OK, so I'll tell you, all right. Well, I'll triple that. If you believe that, right, then I think you would also need to believe that Prime 4 will be in this direct. Yes, I do. To my prediction video, it's the closer. I also said it last week on the podcast. You should know you here. Yeah, I really said the closer. So my but the thing is, as evidence presented, self opinions can change, right? A lot of things have happened the last few days. And I just presented evidence that just further supports. It's not really evidence. It's a theory. It's an interesting theory. It's an exciting one. Yeah, no, it. So the big thing that I want to do before we transition and what Jake wants to talk about here with the director, we can use the transition. I want to do it before and after because, you know, get next week, you know, we'll obviously be talking about the future of Switch and how the games are lining up and everything because we'll have the direct behind us. But we can also revisit grading the direct. So I want us to predict how we personally on a, you know, school-based grading scale, you know, FDCBA what we think we are going to like feel from a great perspective about this direct before it happens. And then we'll recheck it next time we're on to see if that if that grade held up. But I'm going to write it down just so we know what they are because I know you probably forget. So what do you think you're going to grade this direct? Hey. Really? All right, all right, he's going to. Jake's going to what needs to happen for you to give it an A like or why don't you give your grade first before you steal my answers? Oh, stop copying me. Let's give our grades first and then we can give an explanation. Sure. Yeah, you can't copy. Well, I guess I'm going to be frank. If prime 49 of the direct, there's no way it gets an A for me. Like that's not possible. It's not possible without prime. Well, OK, that's not actually true. Like he's doing his own grade. Just pick a letter, man. What do you think you're going to grade what we something we don't even know about? I think the direct is either going to be a C or an A. OK, well, you can't you can't you pick both. That's a cop out. I can't say B because averaging it doesn't make sense either because it really comes down to what the final big reveal is. I miss it. So it depends on what what do you think will actually be? Yeah, what do you think is going to actually happen? That's what you agree with there. We would all change our grades if we knew we knew. Yeah, when we know that you think, you know, what grade I think I'm going to go with. I'm going to steal gaming fires and answer in the chat. It's going to be a B plus. I don't remember getting pluses of option, but you know, all right. Fine, you know, I'm going to go with a B and I'll I'll explain my answer afterwards because apparently we're not Eric predict what you're going to grade this. I don't know. I have a feeling it's going to be a blow out. So I mean, it's only got to please you. Don't matter where anyone else creates it. I'm going to lie about how much I like it if I double. At least he's admitting that I had a double F minus. I'm going to pay attention if he streams on his own channel or anywhere else. What do you actually think before he comes on? I'm going to hold him to. I'm going to have one that is just the link will only work for you. So I'm not I'm not as hypercritical of directs as a lot of people are. I don't generally think there's actually been a horrendous direct. I think one. No, I highly enjoyed that one. Here's the thing. I consider other people's tastes other than my own when I grade directs, which is a weird way to do it because people only ever think selfishly. But I always go, if a farm look good, Harvestella, it looked good. Like these games, it looks bad. So they're not bad games. They might just not be your cup of tea and that's totally fine. It doesn't mean like, you know, example, Jake Randall's not going to go run around and tell everyone in the Starfields horrible because it's not for him. He can recognize it's a good game for some people. So like he's not going to, you know, if he was reviewing it, he's not going to be like, it's a two. Like, no, it just it might be lower than some others, but he's not going to be like, it's the worst game ever. So yeah, that's the way I am with directs. Like, I don't ever feel like there's an F direct or a D direct. I just don't it just doesn't happen because we get new game announcements in every direct and obviously setting your expectations of what the direct is, what did what did Nintendo say this is? It's 40 minutes. So it's on the longer end, which is nice. It also is featuring games for Nintendo Switch, specifically, they mentioned for this winter, which basically runs to the beginning of 2024. So I already based on basic expectations of what we already know is coming like the Peach Game and Luigi. I'm already excited, let alone seeing more of our RPG. So without even knowing what new stuff they might show, this is already at a B. So the question is, are they going to show anything that's going to push it to an A and what would they show that could put like, would Metroid Prime 4 push it to an A for me? I don't know, because what if Metroid Prime 4 looks like shit? And what if I don't like the direction? Well, it's possible. Yeah, it's possible that I just agree. And even then, even then, is that enough? Because I personally expect at least a couple surprises to get me. And if it's only one and it's one that I'm already said publicly that I expect in the first place, hmm. So I think I'm going to give this direct a grade that I never thought I would give a direct. A C. Hmm. Because. And now I'll give the explanation because all the grades are out. My feeling is I get overhyped for a lot of directs and I usually don't end up too disappointed and I've never really given a direct a C before. But my thing is I'm starting to recognize we are at the end of the Nintendo Switches life. And unless the Peach Game looks really good, we just could literally be a dud of a direct where they have nothing really much to show other than all the expected things and the expected things are cool. But if it's just like I like new games. I like new games. So if it's just a bunch of remasters and ports, I mean, what if the only thing I'm playing out of this damn direct is the Peach Game? And I already knew I was playing the Peach Game had an end of the direct and Mario Wonder had a dedicated direct. So I'm not like, oh, let's see more of that. Like, yeah, that'll probably be in here. But I'm so it's sort of like I don't think there's going to my prediction is there'll be nothing new. It'll be games we already know about and then remasters and ports. And if that's the case, then the only game out of this direct that I'm playing besides Mario Wonder, which we already knew I was playing was Peach and I already knew that before the direct. So if I enter this direct and then I leave it and I'm not playing anything new out of it, then it's a C. I mean, fair enough. Even if I'm like, oh, it's so cool. Twilight Princess, she below. Yeah, but I'm still not going to play it. So I don't play I don't replay games. So like, I'm not going to play it. It is what it is. Are you not going to replay it? You're a GX remastered. No, he's calling. He's trying to call Bollocks on that legitimately. I'll skip it. Oh, God. Nice. It's all right. It's all right. Hey, you know what? For those that are on the audio version, he just literally literally dipped out of the podcast. Anyways, the funny thing is he could have did it without completely leaving, but he maybe won't come back. Maybe I really pissed him off. Yeah, he did. Oh, is that the only way that you can leave? Is that like legit? The only way that frame, bro? Anyways, we okay. Cool. So you guys want to explain your grades? My reason and transition. Oh, wait, no, Eric didn't go. No, Eric did. He said a and he said he's going to be blown. He didn't say why, right? Yeah. No, I don't know. I have a feeling it's going to be like one of the last ones where it we're like, what the hell is this direct? What the hell is this direct? Oh, my God, this direct is amazing. I just have that feeling it's going to be the first half. You're like, OK, this is why is this thing even happening? Bang, why is this happening? Why is this happening in the last like 10 minutes? It's like, oh, that's why we're doing this. So I just have that feeling. And I'm just that last year, you wouldn't be so why? OK, first, let me explain that the June direct I gave a C and my reasoning for that, right? I'll explain because I I'm excited from R1, I'm excited from RPG, but the way I assess directs is how they fill up the lineup of games are spoke that they're expected to fill up if they give us a proper lineup. And my problem with the summer direct was, well, there was no August or September game. So there are games that they showed off came out in those months. Nothing that that I found I thought was very captivating. I honestly think I mean, it's fine, right? C is fine. C is not terrible. C is fine, right? C is get degrees. So I just thought they they they did the bare minimum to get through. So what what months of this skip did you say? August and September. DLC back once in fact, they advertise the DLC is the very first thing coming in September. I don't think DLC should be the I did some for like the biggest game released in the last year. Well, I might be the biggest anymore. Are you or did you download that DLC? No, neither did I needed that. Eric Jake did. I don't even have the game. He doesn't even know the game. He was supposed to because he made the promise. He tried to it and he never did. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not calling you. Listen, I'm just I'm just explaining the way I rate directs and the way I rate directs is how they kind of fill up the lineup of games that they give us a captivating line of games that's consistent throughout the period. And they skip two back to back months in terms of major releases and I don't count DLC. Or if I do, it's minor. It's like not because it's not it's not a new game. So it is a major physical release yourself after you see tomorrow's direct. Wait, okay. You see, guys, two different things at the same time. I'm going to need you to repeat each separate. I said that after you see tomorrow's direct, you're going to have your own major physical release. OK. And I said, what about the Zetaway Chronicles 3 DLC? That that was just that wasn't an announced in a direct. That came like I was just announced randomly right before tears came the same month as advance for. So that was good. I'm just saying in terms of counting for that was like that was like a one point five month. That was a good month. April's good. That was a good month. All right. It adds. But it's not so your explanation was obviously the June director was a C because they didn't fill out the month. So why is this going to be a B? Why is it going to be better? Well, I considering. I don't think Nintendo is going to skip back to back months again. I think that was just kind of, you know, a very an occasional thing. I think this summer. Yeah, I also think that with the Mario Wonder Direct. I feel like giving that a 15 minute focus that does kind of open the door for them to not just fully blow up Mario Wonder in this direct because they already did that. So and there is a 40 minute presentation and I do put some stock into that pure OTS of something big. Even if it's that Metroid Prime 4, I do think something is going to close the direct strong. I also believe in the zero thing. I think they have zero things to be pretty cool. And we might be sleeping on the Mario versus Donkey Kong tease. So I close the direct Nintendo switch, too. Strong. You just got an A for me. Shit. I'm pressing X repeatedly, but yeah, I mean, I just I in general wouldn't predict the direct to be a C a C is kind of like, oh, OK, they kind of underperform for me. A is overperform B is to my expectation. So that's why I gave it a like the first direct I'm predicting it to underperform for me, which is very I just explained it's very hard for a direct underperformer who ever really has for me. But I don't know. But just for the record, like if you're paying attention to what I'm saying, like, basically, I only see directs as an A, B or C. Like I've never really a partner showcases, maybe a D or an F for me. Like, not like, you know, because the expectations are different for partner showcases. I wouldn't grade it an F or a D because that's not the point of it. I don't expect that. That's fair. Expectations change. That's fair. But if you're expecting a general direct and you get a partner showcase instead, but they never announce a general direct, see, this is where you put too much faith in the leaks and rumors. See, this is what I'm saying. Don't set the expectation. Nintendo announced a partner show. I don't know what you mean. Well, like, like, like if you expected a general and didn't get it, well, the Nintendo never told you you were getting a general. So what? So I think the year is warranted, but you don't even feel like watching the presentation. What he's basically saying is he doesn't play third party games. Got it. I do play third party games. When they show when they showcase monster and arise, I played that. OK, that was good. See, that was an exclusive name, a non exclusive name, a non exclusive time to excuse that was a time distance, maybe a non timed exclusive third party game you played on switch. But I played on switch like in the last year in the last year. Yeah, last year of this, this last year. I don't think I played that made third party games this last year. Roast. So like it's not because you literally only play play. It's hard to name it on the spot. But I mean, I could think of one like that. I mean, I could think of games that I plan on buying, for example, the Sonic game 100 percent buying like that. I don't care the Mara Wonder comes down last week. I was playing Vampire Survivors. I put like 30 I played the House of the Dead game not too long ago. I was just playing Cuphead like two weeks ago. OK, binge through that. Let's see. Yeah, you said you were playing that with my brother. Cousin, yeah, cousin. Yeah. Yeah, any games that were made? Yeah, I thought for sure you were going to bust out Cuphead because I knew you played it. He talked about it on the podcast. Yeah, so you're putting on me the spot when you know the answer. I also bought Dragon Ball fighters. Well, the point was was the point out that you don't really play third party games. So that's why you're not interested. I mean, I played most Nintendo games, but it's not like I don't play third party games. I do just not as much. I don't game. Yeah, I worry about it with Eric. I don't even know why he's here. Oh, I do want to play. I do want to play. You know, I do want to play Sea of Stars. That that looks pretty cool. It's got 90. Yeah, I got to go back to it. I started it and then got distracted with all the Pokemon stuff I was telling you guys about. I close her out to the next time. Let's go. What do you got? So I'm giving it an A because I was like, we were actually agreeing on so much when you were explaining your grade, Nate. But I was surprised that you went seeks, obviously. We gave it very different grades. But your logic was that, you know, there's going to be something that really does blow you away. Like you'd need that for it to be an A. And I think we're at a generation. So I think they're going to rely too much on ports and remasters. Right, which will lead me to my final thing. But I also want to say that, like, what's what's the type of game that you don't need a new switch for it to be full peak performance? A brand new 2D Zelda game. And I know there hasn't been any leaks, mentions of this at all. But you're the way he leaks things. He does the same as intent like he does the big one for at the end. Or he'll just list it all right before the direct. But he trickles it out in a similar way. So I'm just saying I it's not like I have any information. Let me make that clear. But I'm hoping for something of that magnitude that makes sense where it's like, OK, we don't need to use next-gen hardware to get a game like this. That's awesome. Now, the other thing is I don't believe they're going to announce the switch to at the end of the direct. But how many times have Nintendo New York closed their store to have the direct live viewing and already has a line out the door right now waiting? I don't know. I don't live in New York. It must be pretty confident there's going to be something awesome for them to do that. Or they just want to be there to be on camera for the only live reaction that will exist for this direct. I don't know. I mean, I just I've never seen the actual Nintendo store post a live viewing for Nintendo Direct. They do it. They do it for every direct. Yeah. Yeah. Live viewing they do for every direct. At the store. Now, I don't know if there's a line out the door and all around the blocks and stuff to try to get in that. I don't know. I don't live there. But I know they do it for every direct because they post pictures of it on social media every time. OK. Yeah. Wait, so they do they announce it? I don't they have their own Twitter account. I don't I can go check it quick. Yeah, because it was their Twitter account that I announce this one. Yeah, like if I did it by saying. I don't think they're going to. But like how crazy would that be? Because I mean, they have been showing it. Yeah. Not. I don't think I think it was you that said this thing. They're not showing the system itself. It's probably like a PC hitting the same specs as what they're targeting the new console to hit. And that's what they've been letting people play. But still. OK. So. Our next topic is the headline topic of the show that I'm sure a lot of people have been waiting for. Nintendo Switch to related stuff because basically the way the the stuff that was originally reported by VGC that we touched upon and VGC and Eurogamer that we touched upon last week has sort of had some clarifications added to it. And some information that maybe seemed a bit lighter at the moment also has additional details to it. Essentially, what has happened since the VGC and some game models, not only that other websites pick up the reports and report on it, like IGN and others. A lot of those articles also had, oh, and we can corroborate this ourselves. Like we were hearing very similar things, which is awesome. So there's a bunch of media websites that have heard about the Gamescom demos for Nintendo Switch to. But we have some additional details coming out from Nate, the hate who said that his sources, which obviously were developers because that's who this was being shown to, was that the Breath of the Wild demo was 4K. It was 60 FPS. But that really wasn't the point of the demo. Yeah, DLSS. Great. Why are you playing it? Why are you doing a little game? I thought one of these reports came out. Oh, they did Breath of the Wild because they just wanted to show, like, what your games on Switch now can look like on the new system with DLSS. And that's really all I thought it was. When he mentioned that really what they were showcasing was instant load times, which would suggest a feature that we weren't previously aware of for the platform. And that is significantly faster internal storage. Potentially SSD. Do you think an SSD? Yeah, potentially. And not two SSDs even, like, because this is what was being showcased with Xbox Series and PlayStation 5 and to have that. That's insane. They mentioned, like, going from home screen to the start menu of the game, you know, the low menu where you load your file. Boom, literally just happened like that. There was no weight. And then they loaded a file and boom, you're in the game. It makes sense. And they're gotten so much cheaper, too. Yeah, it does make a lot of sense. Especially when it's like processing power closer to a PS4. PS4 and Xbox One never had SSDs. So in a way, it would be better in terms of loading, at least for sure. It also helps with, like, you know, just streaming in, like, you know, like open world games, like pop in and things that nature like it. It's not just like booting. It can make a big difference. Something else that I think a lot of people are maybe overlooking, and I think it comes down to an understanding of the different DLSS formats. And I encourage you guys to just literally go to NVIDIA's YouTube channel and watch the DLSS videos, because if you watch them, you'll understand. I think a lot of people are really missing what this means. And I've seen it because I've seen the comments of some of my videos. But the tech demo, there's some debate if it was 3.5 or 3.1. And it's actually 3.5. That's all. So here's the thing. DLSS 2, DLSS 3.1, DLSS 3.5 or 3. They're each different things. DLSS 2 is what we've been talking about for years where it makes lower res games look sharper. Yeah, DLSS 3.1 is frame generation. It improves frame rate. It's only available on 40 series cards. Right. So it makes sense. Right. So if he's saying 3.5, that doesn't mean we're getting frame generation. But if there is frame generation, theoretically, it could mean like the next Mario Kart could be at 120 frames per second, which would be crazy. We haven't we're not sure about that. Nintendo has a pretty long standing partnership with NVIDIA, right? So it's not like they're going to use consumer part. Like it could be customized in ways that it will be fully custom because they don't have any jobs that do what they need for this. It would be completely theoretically, especially if NVIDIA is as technology newer than what they've released, which if they've already released it was ready, probably a long time ago, you know, there could be stuff that we are just kind of unprecedented in what we've seen from them so far. Absolutely. I mean, the NVIDIA League implied like some sort of customized version of the T234, which supposedly the ideas that would be using like old series like features and new series features. But going back to the DLSS explanation, DLSS 3.5, what that is is ray tracing upscaling. It makes ray tracing better. And that's very exciting because before these leaks, most of us were assuming if there was ray tracing, it'd be limited to not at all. And now the suggestion is that ray tracing may potentially be fairly significant. Like a very significant. And that goes into the matrix. I have one question for you, Andres, or I guess, I guess anyone, but I don't want to harp on it too much, but I'm just curious what you think, like after the Apple presentation, like and now that like phones will be able to play like the upcoming triple A games, like Assassin's Creed and Raj. And now that the iPhone will have ray tracing, like, do you think Nintendo sees that as a as a threat at all? No, no. For starters, ray tracing is not new on phones. It's actually been around for a few years and so has the ability to play triple A games on phones. It's not actually new. It's just getting triple A developers to bring more of their games over. Here's the thing that's happened in the past and I think will happen now. One thing if you paid attention to the Apple presentation, because I watched all of it, note, they never talked about battery life when playing those games. They only talked about battery life in context of normal everyday use and streaming video. I didn't talk about it at all when playing games because what phones do is they don't run at max specs all the time. They're not meant to run there. They can get super high with their clock speeds and everything and just nail performance targets, but they're not built to sustain that load. So because to do that requires a crap load of juice from the battery. So the thing is you'll be able to play Assassin's Creed Mirage with accessories because they didn't even show touch control. So presumably you have to use a controller with it, which is probably the best way to play it anyways. But it's going to kill your battery. And I bet you you might get an hour. And that's fine because that's not the purpose of a phone. Anyways, it's just I honestly think the reason they show that was Apple just wanted to be like, look what our chips can do. But also it's not a realistic use case that people should use all the time because people know when you have an iPhone two years later, the battery is already not holding much of a charge. Now, imagine you're hitting the shit out of it by playing triple A games on your phone, like you're going to degrade that battery so fast. I'm hesitant to play like very basic games of my phone because of battery. Let's not. Yeah, we're going to start talking about 4K ray tracing games. Like I'm going this way. I don't think anyone's getting an iPhone 15 to play Assassin's Creed Mirage. There will be people, but it's going to not to play it. It's going to be niche. It's going to be niche. I don't think they're going to to play because they are. You can already play some of this stuff like on androids. Like I just don't see them buying it to play it. I think it's more just to prove you're wrong. Yeah, you could just I think they just because it's got to also remember for they didn't talk about how these games are being sold. Mirage is a $70 game. People on phones don't spend 70 bucks on applications. So that's a whole another sphere to get into. Like, are they really going to try to sell $70 triple A games on a phone? Something else to consider. Wrecks your battery and it's a device you need at the ready all the time to make phone calls. I thought Mirage was like $40. Yeah, I don't know what it is. I don't know what the price is, but it's like triple A games. You know, and yeah, the thing I want to mention is form factor, though. Oh, Harrison, some Raj is 50. It's 50. OK. OK. Yeah, it's not that's so expensive. That's still a lot of money for people on the phone screen one and two and three. It's like that kind of Assassin's Creed game, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, like with form factor, like, you know, you when you have a phone, it's a touchscreen. You don't want to play a triple A game on a touchscreen. Yes, you could buy a controller for it. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of third party things. But but the fact matter is a switch is convenient, right? It's designed to play games. I think convenience makes a convenience and accessibility make a big difference. So also to your point, Nate, the people who aren't going to buy the phones and then buy like a special controller and be like, yeah, this is my gaming setup. Like that's also dedicated gaming hardware is always outperformed, non dedicated. These aren't dedicated gaming hardware chips. They're chips that can game. That's not the point of them. They're also one of them is the point of them is efficiency, power efficiency. So why are they making these ships able to output this kind of stuff? It's not because it can output this stuff. It's to make the tasks the phone already do take less battery. It's just it's just making phones quicker and more efficient by using smaller processing nodes by nature of doing that. It's a more powerful chip and it can do more, but no one's really going to be doing that. But I would I would bet that people try to hack their iPhones to do crypto mining before they're doing carrying as much about triple A gaming because they'll just keep the phone plugged in all the time and then just do crypto mining if it's if it's really that good. Yeah. No, I was just curious because like more in the sense of is it is it a bad luck that a phone can be your console? And the ultimate beaten switch for like five years. What are we talking about? Right. But yeah, but the switch was kind of dated when it came out. I mean, that was like accepted. How it came out. It was the most powerful handheld gaming device in the world in 2017. There was nothing that had better gaming performance than switch. Handheld lies not even for handheld. Yeah. Yeah. Not even phones though. Phones didn't catch up for two years. But overall, like the dock performance was. Behind. Well, sure. But it was a handheld. It came out three years earlier. But it was a handheld system. I put out a short today. There was a clip from my podcast from Monday and I clipped out how it was a point in the the podcast where I kind of talked about how if you came to the switch from 3DS, it was a magnificent jump. Like imagine playing like Ocarina Time 3D and then jumping to breath. Breath of the Wild. Yeah. Like that's like one of the biggest jumps in history, right? So it depends on what like what perspective are looking at from like, you know, the jump. But yeah, it was a big deal. I see the switch more as like a Wii U revision. Kind of is. But and it's also kind of a 3D successor. I mean, you're right. I mean, I'm going to keep my mouth shut. This is a debate for another time. We're trying to talk about the next system and you're we're debating on the current. This is because Jake, Jake's a new regular on the show. So he missed all the old debates over the years on all this. Oh, I see. We we've had a lot of these conversations already, got you. But that's OK. I'm still not here for the next system. I'm still mad at me for making me look bad for not playing third party games. It's it's but I'm not that I do play third party. You know, I focus on the one. Hold on. Hold on. Yes, there might be some people that might judge you for not playing a lot of third party games. Also, do you even give a shit? Who cares? No, it's no secret. I play Nintendo because it's all I have time for. I want to play with our field. But also, the way I learned about what I learned about Star feels like it's not worth the investment for me. Just play what you want to play. Who cares, dude? People think all sorts of things about the games I play. Like, I'm talking about Madden. You know, what fun people making me for playing Madden? Crap, man. Play what you want to play. But here's like the. So my my my thing with some of the stuff is that, you know, we were talking about the ray tracing capabilities, right? And like, you know, obviously, Jake was like, oh, they should be worried about the phone situation. I'm not actually worried. In fact, the phone situation actually makes me more excited because these aren't dedicated gaming chips being made. They're made for different purposes that can happen to game. Switch two is getting dedicated gaming hardware. It's dedicated to it. Now, the all all the leaks and the speculation out there. And I think Digital Foundry even came out recently and basically said, oh, yeah, our sources like it's the T two three nine chip. Well, the T two three nine chip is using ampere, which is the three thousand series GPUs. So yeah, they have newer technology and then what's going into this. But it is the fact that DLSS three point five can be used on those GPUs. And so what's happening is. Nvidia is betting on a feature set versus betting on let's push the most amount of power, the most amount of teraflops, the most amount of cores because DLSS is something that most people haven't actually experienced because it's not required in PC gaming. But the people who have experienced DLSS and the games that support it know that when you turn it on, it is like a magic button. It makes it just makes it seem like your rig is so much more powerful than it is. Magic, it literally feels like a magic. I'm not even kidding. Anyone who's used DLSS with a three thousand or four thousand series graphics because say you have like a thirty sixty and you turn DLSS on and control and you're suddenly going from sixty frame rates to three hundred and four K on ultra settings. Well, wait, what? How are you able to do that with a budget graphic AI, baby? It's damn magic, man. It's AI. That's all deals. It's magic. Yeah. At least that's what it is to the end product that you get. But the whole point of DLSS is that there hasn't been a dedicated gaming anything where DLSS was a standard. It just doesn't exist. PC, it's not a standard. This will be the first dedicated gaming device where pretty much every game that comes out on it's probably using DLSS. And because of that, Nvidia, I this is just a personal belief. I don't know what's been talked about behind the scenes. I think Nvidia wants this to be a showcase for what DLSS can do because right now they talk about it, they show it off, but it's not a it's not a standard feature anywhere. Like it's standard on their GPUs, but you got to build it into the games. And because there's such a wide variance of hardware on PC, a lot of the list of like PC games that support DLSS is like this when the amount of PC games goes off the screen. So this will be the first system where pretty much it is the standard. Every game uses it. You want to be crazy. So I think they want this to be a showcase. I think it's going to be impressive. We hear things like ray tracing. Not only was it full ray tracing in the Matrix demo running at 4K and whatever frame rates, I'm not sure on the frame rates because it didn't run it at 60 FPS on PS5. The Breath of the Wild demo is 4K 60. Just. Yeah, the Breath of the Wild one. The Matrix one wasn't 60 FPS. But do we know that for a fact? Well, Nathan Hates said that it wasn't. And he also noted that it was also wasn't 60 FPS on PS5. It was only 25 frame rates on PS5. So. Cool. Maybe it was 30 FPS, whatever. But the point is that was meant to showcase ray tracing, though, right? So by the way, by the way, PS5 can't use DLSS. So like they don't have the advantages of DLSS for that particular tech demo back in twenty twenty one. You know, it might be crazy. If Swiss two does more ray tracing than the other systems, like it's still bigger. That's what he then that's what he said. He said now he said the developer said not only does the ray tracing look as good, most felt that it looked even better than what PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X did. There's two reasons that we can possibly believe this to be the case. One, AMD's ray tracing compared to Nvidia's ray tracing is garbage. And everyone knows it. And if you pay any attention to PC gaming, it's one of the biggest feature set differences between the two GPUs because a lot of games do support ray tracing compared to DLSS. And DLSS is just fundamentally better on Nvidia. It's just not the other three thousand series. DLSS is better than AMD's top tier card doing DLSS. So are doing ray tracing. So that's already known. So there's that they're using technology that's better at this than what the other systems have. The second thing is if it's using three point five, then that also means it's using advanced techniques on the ray tracing to cut down how much performance cost it takes, meaning it could technically run potentially better ray tracing with less of a performance it than the other platforms. And this is not to dismiss or say that this platform is as powerful as a PlayStation five. Of course, it's not. But there's a difference between raw performance and feature sets and what feature sets can help you make up the performance difference to the point that these developers are watching this demo on this target hardware for Switch two. And they're like, uh, is this a PlayStation five? Right. Wait, this looks even better than I remember the PlayStation five one looking. Well, wait, this ain't Nintendo. It's all about the end result. No one's going to care if the system comes out and is three point four three point five teraflops of performance in dock, which is like seven teraflops behind a PlayStation five. But yet because of DLSS and modern ray tracing techniques, it actually just has Call of Duty looking just as good on it as it does on PlayStation five. Because so here's the thing. I have a question for you, because we're not supposed to care about basically. It's just going to be there. We like it's just going to be running. We're not even going to know it's just on just running. All right. So another question based on everything you just said, it just got me wondering. And I'm just curious. Now, remember, this is all rumors and leaks, guys. We did. It hasn't been announced. Do you think that this next gen Nintendo console will have games with more realistic looking graphics like God of War, Spider-Man, stuff like that, instead of relying on a more cartoony or cel-shaded art style to put out their biggest games? Do you think we could see another, you know, what was what Twilight Princess was to win? No, something like that. They're not going to do that. They're not going to make a realistic looking Zelda game. The ratings. OK, well, the realistic or like, I mean, Twilight Princess art style is fine like if they go like if it's something similar to Twilight Princess, that's fine, right? But I agree with Nate that they're not going to make like a Witcher looking Zelda game. Yeah. Like the Twilight Princess is stylistic enough. Yeah, I think in general, Nintendo games are going to be stylized, but also we may still see moments that look really realistic, right? Like even during the Switch era, like you look at Mario Odyssey, it has like a lot of realistic pieces. Like that's a good point. So do you think they could introduce a new IP? That I don't know. Supposedly working on one. What's that? Monoliths Office supposedly been working on a new IP. OK, yeah, that's the studio. I could be doing that for sure. Yeah. And like, I want to see what they're going to do with like their next year. I think model monolith soft game is going to blow our minds. Yeah, like monoliths also always sort of like your games look nice, but also it's a little rougher on the edges, a little blurry here and there. Oh, by the way. Yeah, it's because we've been waiting for the power and we have the power. I'm also really curious how Metroid Prime 4 is going to look. And the problem with that one is it's being made for Switch as well. But something I want to bring up, right? And I know DLSS 3.1 hasn't been confirmed, right? But if you have 3.5, you might need it. There's no confirmation. There's no confirmation unless. Well, no, we don't have a combination. Yeah, we don't have a combination for any of it, really. You know, did it like our Nintendo reps telling them is 3.5? How do they know it's 3.5? They say it was on a spec sheet like we don't know. I guess. But the confusing thing is that some people may assume that 3.5 implies 3.1. It doesn't because they do different things. Yeah. And I will say each version sometimes also has updates for the older technology that was introduced. So like the upscaling techniques are actually better in 3.0 and above than it was in 2.0. That's why the 3.0 upscaling stuff can be done on the 3,000 series cars because it's a better version of because they're constantly improving it. Right. That that's but anyways, but if 3.1 is there, which I don't think is a huge if 3.5 is there, it's not 3.1. Then it has to be framed in. There's no reason for it to be 3.1. That's that's well. That's why that's what it is. It improves frame rate. So what's cool about that is that imagine in March, when I do believe switch two will be announced, we'll see, but imagine they have that presentation. Right. I know we'll talk about it. But whenever this presentation happens, right, forget regards of the date. It's going to be interesting to see Nintendo tell different things about what the system can do and imagine they have a little sizzle reel of 120 frame per second games. Smash Mario Kart, Metroid Prime 4. I don't think they will 120. And by the way, frame generation doesn't guarantee 120 either. In fact, frame generation is the least feature rich thing to add frame rates. I know they they touted up. They touted up in their videos, but when you actually turn frame generation on, you people only seem like 10 FPS game. I don't think Nintendo has the online infrastructure to ever be able to support that no matter how powerful the hardware is. To be honest, I see what you mean. What about the fact that they're running? They don't actually run it on the servers. They they run the systems. Yeah, that's how their online works. There is something else to consider, though. Three point one includes this reflex software of which improves latency dramatically. Yeah, that's a big thing is when you do frame generation also hurts latency. So it kind of balances out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The reason that, by the way, I see some people talking in the live chat on our live version of the show. The reason I think a lot of people think it's three point five is because if they think the ray tracing looks better than the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X, I don't think they want to just attribute that straight up to being like, hey, that's just because it's Nvidia GPUs that have better ray tracing. Also, how would that not be hurt in performance more? Well, because in three point five, they introduced the DLS as capabilities to ray tracing specifically to lessen the performance it because the biggest thing with ray tracing is when you turn it on, your frame rates dip like crazy. So what's the balance of that? What they added in three point five, which is compatible with three thousand series GPUs. So it is kind of neat, right? Like if you watch Nvidia's video on three point five, though, when you show like the frame jumps, like when they switch to three point five and they add the ray tracing, like the frame rate actually doesn't prove a little bit. It's kind of cool. Yeah. So like the other things here that was said about it, we talked about the matrix stuff, stuff here and the ray tracing stuff. A big thing that was really talked about was this March twenty twenty four thing because he said enough people keep bringing up March twenty twenty four that they're hearing this time frame at Gamescom consistently and that it was a big talk on the floor March twenty twenty four. Nintendo switch to, but there doesn't seem to be full clarity. And Nate, they hate said this on if that's like when it's coming out or when they're going to announce it. Now, the big thing that's really interesting about this is several other articles. I don't know if it's a video game product. I think it was the Eurogamer one that might have first mentioned something about the system possibly coming out earlier than people expect, like in the first quarter of next year, the Eurogamer report recent with the tech demos, they slid that in there. Yeah, they kind of slid that in, but they're just like, hey, they're still like, Nate, the hate wasn't the only one hearing this. And then other sites that started throwing, putting this out there and would bring up that point from the Eurogamer article also said, yeah, dude, we're kind of hearing the switch to might be coming out sooner or two than people realize. And that's interesting because that obviously was suggested. It seems to be the overall impression is it might be releasing in March. Now, again, it's still just a guess. And this is like, you know, obviously second, third hand information coming from these reports. And there isn't like a full clarity. It's like, just like there's not full clarity and backwards compatibility. You know, do we have it? Do we not? We don't have an answer for you. We don't know. There's no clarity on it. We don't have clarity on whether this is like when they're going to announce it or do a big showcase or whether this is when they're going to release it. Now, a lot of us, I think the safe assumption is although announce it, then release it later in the year, especially when you're like, oh, it's September right now. Like that's six months from now. Like, yeah, they're going to announce it, then release it later in the year. That seems to be the consensus safe bet. But then I also look at this and I go, well, this direct that they that they just announced specifically says Nintendo switch games through winter. What's right after winter, March? So would Nintendo dare announce a system to release in March, keeping in mind we got six months to go. Would they overshadow their holidays and announce it in October? Would they, you know, do a really, really short announcement at the game awards blow out in January and then it comes out in March. Would they do a shorter release than they've done before now? If they do it in October, they do it around now. That's about what they gave the switch, right? Did they announce the switch? Well, technically they announced it was coming, but they showed off that here. Here is the Nintendo switch. Here is what it is. The initial reveal is in October and then it released in March, beginning of March. Now, if they release end of March, that gives them a bit more time so that maybe they could do the reveal in December instead. But and I say this because even on Nate, the Hates podcast, they didn't really talk much about the possibility of it being announced then and releasing later. They focused heavily on. What if this thing comes out in March? Is it even possible? And they hate the biggest comment he made because the number one argument, by the way, for Nintendo not to even talk about Nintendo switch, too, is they wouldn't want to tank their holiday sales. But Nate said something very interesting and paraphrasing. But essentially it is. Anyone who's waited seven years to buy a switch isn't going to change their mind because a new platform is coming out. Because they waited seven years. If they waited seven years, chances of they were waiting for the library. I disagree. People with kids, if their kid was one year old when the switch came out, they might want one now or if their kid was two or three. Sure. But here's the thing. A lot. That's a lot. Why do they want one? Why do they want one? Why would they want to switch right now? They're seven to play games, right? They don't. And you know, because you have kids that they don't care what the newest thing is or what what games are. Yes, yes, yes. Whatever. Yeah, yeah. His point was, but taking your example, his point was that the switch to be an announce won't affect their wanting to switch because the switch has the games. All the games have been here and all the tears of the kingdom. The Mario wonders. They're seeing their friends play Pokemon Go on and by. Where are all those games? They're on switch on parents are going to look at it and go. What I think. Yeah. Realistically. Yeah. Is Nintendo already knows exactly how they're going to announce the new totally. Oh, yeah. That's already on when to see how much they sell. So I think they might wait till I think the time they announce it is not locked down. I think that is they're waiting to see, like I said, they rebranded this was all in for Animal Crossing. They make they rebranded Oled's to do one more special edition for Mario Wonder. I think they want to see how much stock they can clear out. And then when they feel comfortable enough about it, then they'll drop it. And I think they had a couple of windows that they're shooting for. But I do think it's very much like let's see. Like if we can sell out this holiday again, sure. But let's just announce it this year. But but you know, if we can't, let's just wait till right after the holidays to announce it. That's what I that's what I think. OK, I disagree. I think Nintendo has a plan. They know exactly what they're doing. They have to remember this is a very pivotal transition for them because they have failed every major transition in company history off a popular platform. They've never been able to repeat success back to back. So if they're going to do that, then they can't care what the current platform is doing other than that people are still interested in it. Yeah, but I think they just do, man. I don't play. Station five was announced and they announced that PlayStation five was coming officially. They even use the term PlayStation five in 2019, April of 2019. And they had a whole holiday season still to come. People knew the system was coming. They didn't show it off until 2020. But they said publicly that it was coming in April of 2019. Well, the the new wrinkle that's been going on the last few years that is added to this equation is that whenever a company releases a new game console, it sells out and no one can get it. Yeah, for months and months and months. Yeah, which makes the old constant viable to have around. Well, that's also why I think it's going to drop in March because you drop at the holidays. It's yeah, it's kind of solid either way. I think we're both feeling that vibe. Like launching in March makes a lot of sense. It's just when are they going to announce it? Right. And I've talked in a prior show like, hey, you know, maybe it makes sense to partner up with Jeff Keely to do a tease for an event that you're going to do in January. Maybe like nothing you said, I can rule out at all. Yeah, I mean, none of it can be ruled out because we don't know what Nintendo is going to do. Now, I'm just going to come in as the pessimists and be like, it ain't happening. They're maybe announced in March, released in September or something. I know what I know what you're doing. I've had these two conversations. I know what you're doing. Yeah, but I'm open to ideas. Well, yeah, because I mean, look, let me put it this way. Do we want it to launch in March? I wanted to launch yesterday. Eric Eric has not bought an old lady by any. He's been waiting and waiting and waiting for the next system. Obviously, the answer is like, I want it to launch to this possible. But to be honest, I want it to launch whatever way is going to get it to help the company the most because I want them to have the money to fund all the games that I want to play and be successful. My thing is that the game lineups ready launch, baby. We know they're sitting on games. So look at three. Mario's ready to go and you've got the next Mario Kart. You've got the next you got everything lined up for that first year. Let her fly, baby. I'm trying to be patient here. I know, I know. Um, so I don't know, like, like, again, that's what a lot of people have been talking about, because it seems that there seems to be more hints that that might be what this is. But again, all second hand information, third hand information, we don't really know. But I'll just restart. What are you thinking? All right, like, could they launch it in March? And if so, how would they handle that? Because if it feels it feels almost impossible that they would wait until January to announce a drop of two months later. So this is what I think. I I understand there's obviously debates to be had because we've had we've had a number of these debates, right? But I think there should be a price drop before the switch to comes out. And I don't think a price drop is happening before the end of the year at this stage, because of all the bundles and things they've already announced. So I think, you know, a price drop would have to happen sometime next year before they stop selling it. Well, what if after the holidays, the only thing they're selling on shelves anymore are bundles and they consider that the discount because there's a game that comes with it now. Andres, I completely agree with you because. They want like if the price is too close, people like they want to sell the new system ultimately. Well, sure, they get more software sales for that. And if the price is too, they need it to be separate enough. You know, I think a hundred. I think it's got to be at least a price drop will get the people that didn't buy one for seven years. Maybe be like, OK, I'll I'll buy the drop the damn regular switch. Drop the old at 50 bucks problem solved. Yeah. Yeah. So the other thing is it sounds. And I think you just suggested that you've opened your eyes to the your mind, the idea of the switch to being four hundred dollars instead of three hundred. Um, so here's the thing. Well, maybe I could finish my thoughts before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So but yeah, like I'm not going to say March is impossible, but I do think it's unlikely. I do think it's unlikely for one reason, because I do think there should be a price drop and I think we're past the stage of that price drop happening for the before the holidays. So it would have to happen sometime next year. Hey, I also think we can't do it all the time. That's all right. That's OK. Yeah. But also 3D Mario supposedly is a launch title for switch to and I don't see 3D Mario coming out this March. I think that's too soon after all these other Mario games that are coming out. It's not just money. It matters. Oh, it was a RPG. When was the title Luigi game? The Mario vs. Donkey Kong. This is a genuine question. What was it? It's not rhetorical. When did Breath of a Wild get announced? Because that was a launch title for switch. Breath of a Wild was announced for 2014. Yeah, it was. Yeah. 20, OK, but one didn't like announce like with they announced that it will be coming to switch. Obviously, when they announced the switch, right? When did they announce the switch? 2016, October, 2016. Yeah, OK. But they mentioned at E3 of that year that a new platform was coming and that Breath of the Wild will be a launch game on it. Yeah, we knew. They didn't say what it was. But they said a new platform was coming and that it would be a lot tighter. So that backs up what you've said, even though I still disagree. I mean, that makes sense. I 3D Mario is probably going to be the one to switch to launch title unless you think it's going to be Metro Prime 4. I also don't think there's such thing as too much Mario releasing close together. You know how many Mario games release? And it is a 2D that's releasing. And it's also a new platform that won't even it's there's not even crossover there. I don't know what we're talking about. It's like it's like a new Mario game can't launch on DS because one just launched on we did. Of course it can. I just disagree with that. All right, wait, Andres, if in the direct, we talked about this a little bit last week, but if they announce Metroid Prime 2 and 3, do you think that would make it more likely that switch the next switch and come in March because it would set up Prime 4 more? If they don't announce Prime 4, they don't show up Prime 4 in this direct. I just don't think that's happening at all. Like, Prime 4, neat. Well, if they show up Prime 4, they say I'm going to talk about Prime 4. A lot of it, but if yeah, if two and three both come out and Prime 4 is shown and they just say 2024, I do think our first half of 2024 releases in the cards. Okay, but also they just say 2024. My first thought is second half. Like if they don't, if they don't I'm amending my Nintendo, my Nintendo drug prediction, they will announce Metroid Prime 2 and 3, maybe Shadow Drop 2 and 3, like they did Pikmin 1 and 2. But, but they also show off 4. It is the closer. But they say it's coming this December. What was the last thing you said? It was too quiet. It would come this December. It would be the game to fill in the gap in December where they don't have anything yet. And they've done big games in December in the past. Smash comes to mind. We'll get the camera. But see, I'm saying this because if it's launching in March, I don't, I don't think it's cross-gen. I am not convinced Metroid Prime 4 is a cross-generation title. So, let me just get this straight. You believe the, hold on. Get it out. Get it out. Come on. I can't. I can't even verbalize this. I don't even know what you're thinking. This is why I want. I can't even verbalize this. The words don't exist. You just hate the idea of Prime 4 being a cross-gen title so much that you'd rather believe it's coming out in December so Switch 2 can come out in March than it being a cross-gen title. Which to me is just, I want to rip my hair out of my head. I'm not kidding. I'm not actually like that. But like shooting. I'll tell you why. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. I think the game will be better off not being a cross-generation title. I think it'll sell better. I also think the game will be better off because it was made for one specific hardware. Every time we see this with exclusive games all the time when it's purpose built for one piece of hardware, it always tends to just perform better. And I'm not just talking sales. I'll give you an example. Tears of the Kingdom purpose built for Switch. Looks, runs, feels better. Breath of the Wild wasn't and it actually ended up running better on Wii U at launch. I just don't want to see cross-generation bullshit to my Metroid. I don't want to see it. It's not a big enough title to justify cross-generation. It's just not. They need to worry about, we have 140 million Nintendo Switch owners. Let's give them that exclusive game. I just don't like the idea. You guys disagreed on this this entire time. I've never liked the idea of it being cross-gen. I think you want it to be cross-gen because you want it to look as pretty as possible. But that also means they have to put development work into a Nintendo Switch 2 version of it or capabilities for it, which takes away from the core development of the game. You and I both know that this game has been done since early this year. And? It's had plenty of polish time. Okay. You're right. It's had plenty of polish time for an Nintendo Switch. Developing for an entirely new system with entirely new hardware is a completely new beast. And I saw what they did with Breath of the Wild. They tried to pull it off in a year. When we heard it was done was earlier this year. So let's presume it was done this year. So let's say March to March, they get a year to try to get it to come over. Why would they do that when Switch software sells so damn? Do we not see how well Switch exclusives are selling? Why would they take it away from that? Because you know what's going to happen? People will refuse to buy it until they own a Switch 2. And then they'll forget about it because by the time they can get their hands on Switch 2, there'll be bigger name games they want to play instead. All right. I'm going to poke a hole in your argument about the whole having... I also don't... By the way, I also firmly believe Super Mario RPG is not a good game to have the Solidating Metro Prime 4 is a bigger deal. I mean, I agree with that, but... I hate that that... Look, I'm excited for Super Mario RPG because I've never played it. So that is a game I'm actually going to pick up and play and beat. Anyway, let me poke this hole. Okay, so you could say that the Wii U version, the Switch version, there were some performance differences that were notable for Breath of the Wild at launch. But the Switch or the Wii U isn't like this significant power leap. Bullshit. I'm going to call it bullshit. Dude, the Ram alone, man. This is all relative, okay? Let's not pretend like the Switch is leaps and bounds better than Wii U in every facet. That is just not true. It is better than the Wii U in every facet completely entirely. I said leaps and bounds. Look at what they did with Tears of the Kingdom they couldn't do with Breath of the Wild. Listen, no developer is going to say that the Switch is like a PS3 to PS4 jump from Wii U. The Switch 2 is a significant leap over Switch 1. We just heard about that makes a big difference. It doesn't matter. You could make any sort of argument you want. And there's feature sets on the Tegra X1 that ain't possible on the Wii U in addition to it being more powerful. Listen, the point, the fact matter is We've unrealized 5 running on Switch. Where's it on Wii U? Because that's all that really matters. At the end of the day, all video games are just a visual illusion. So whatever you have to do to make that visual illusion look and run better, fantastic. Fact matter is... They need to read some popcorn over there, bud. Fact matter is the Switch 2 is going to be leaps and bounds and bounds and leaps better than Switch. So this idea that Prime 4 is likely going to have a lot of performance problems on the more powerful system. I just think like if there were some... You could argue, yeah, there are some issues with Breath of the Wild's cross-gen situation. The idea of that for Prime 4, I just... I think that just... No, that's not a... So your theory, keep in mind theory with no game development experience is that using hardware that is literally like 4-gen... Actually, I do have some, believe it or not. Oh, yeah? And I know game developers and I've talked to them about stuff like this and because the hardware is so much newer than the Tegra X1, it's not as simple just port it over and it just runs great. You have to recompile and rebuild the game. And why are you assuming that I have no knowledge on this? I'm not saying that you don't have that knowledge. What I am saying is that you're sounding like you don't have that knowledge because you're sounding like... Because it's so powerful, it's an easy button. That's just not how it goes, man. Yeah, you're also putting words in my mouth. And here's the other thing. Just in general, it's bad to make accusations on someone's knowledge base. You should attack the argument instead, which you failed to do. Yeah, your argument's incorrect because the way you made it sound is that it's easy and it's not easy. No, no, no, no, no. Like... You said because of the power leap. It's not the power leap. That's the problem. It's a completely different technology. And this was developed for a Tegra X1. We just worried about a breath of the wild GPU. We just heard about a breath of the wild tech demo running at 4K60 and with minimal load times. Sure. DLSS has a number of things it can do. It improves performance. It improves ray tracing. It improves resolution. So this argument that they can't spend six months to a year of extra time to get a proper cross-gen version of Prime 4... Like, that just doesn't make any sense. Obviously... Notice, we're talking about a demo. No one said breath of the wild was entirely playable. It's just a section of the game to show off a feature set of the system. I just... Listen, we can agree to disagree here, but I'm pretty sure most people are going to agree that no one's concerned about Prime 4 running well on the Switch 2. That's not a concern. No. It just runs worse on the Switch because they were focusing too much on the next generation version and then the Switch will mess you up. That would be a mistake, but that's just making an assumption. I think splitting development between two systems is a mistake. Well, Nate, here's my like... It wasn't a mistake for Twilight Princess. It wasn't a mistake for Breath of the Wild. It will not be a mistake for Princess. Twilight Princess was literally the same hardware. The Wii and the GCN were like the same... Literally the same chip. That's a totally different situation. Let me take the technology out of it for a second. How does it make sense for Nintendo to have this huge new release and not have it come out for the new system that comes out? The new system's going to be sold out and you're not going to be able to play it on there anyways. 140 million installs. First party Nintendo game. Okay, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake. Well, how does it make sense for Sony to drop Ghost of Shashima on PlayStation 4? They dropped it on PS5 too. Later. Yeah. Yeah. Why did they say it was going to go cross-gen? This game has been being made for so long. You don't think that part of the delay is that they have been working on this and it is really hard. It's not an easy button. Well, they supposedly rebooted the game in 2019. So it's actually had like three and a half years of development, which is not much for a AAA game. Right. But you yourself just said the game's been done for like a year. So what have they been doing? I didn't say for a year. I said I was told the game was done this year. Okay. That's not a year. That's the beginning of the year. Yeah. Like March time. All right, so I'll give you six months. The point is, listen, I don't think it's crazy to think that a cross-gen version of Prime 4 is going to run fine. If you want to make the argument that this can impact like sales somehow because people want the best version and it won't be available. Okay. That's a valid argument. But I mean, Nintendo had great success with Twilight Princess. Nintendo had great success with Breath of the Wild. I'm not also on top of that, Metroid Prime 4, as you've noted many times, isn't the kind of game that's going to sell 10 million probably, not at launch. Which makes it not worth porting over in the first place. It's not a showcase game for a new system. Breath of the Wild was worth porting over because it's a Zelda game that sells a ton. Twilight Princess was worth porting over because it says Zelda game that sells a ton. All the cross-gen games that Nintendo's ever done have a mega selling. I'm not talking about it be a launch day title, by the way. Oh, well, that's different things. I'm talking about it being a launch window cross-gen title. Well, that's a lot different because I do think that there will be cross-generation games from Switch. Like, they'll bring Switch games over that run better and look better and have versions of it that are better on the platform. When I hear cross-generation, I'm thinking the game is launching same time both systems. Well, that's an assumption, right? That just cross-gen games don't have to be day one. But that's what cross-gen's always been with Nintendo. So it's an assumption based on what Nintendo's always done. Sure, but there are other titles. But anyway, it's an important distinction to make. When I say cross-gen, I just mean it's coming out. It's coming out same day on both systems. And there's a version for you. Well, that's what I just said. The same day both systems. Same day both systems, right. But I don't think Prime Force and me a day once switched to title. I don't think that. I think 3D Marta Day is the day one switched to title. No matter what. So I kind of disagree with both of you. What I meant was I think it could be right that Prime Force comes out for Switch. But then day one on the new Switch, there's also a version available. Or like the second month or something. I don't know. Like I think it's coming out on Switch before it comes out of anything else. I think it'll be on Switch, too. I think also Tiers of the Kingdom is going to be on there at a 4K version. Yeah. So my concern though, right? Because it's interesting, right? We're both talking about this from having Prime Force. We both want Prime Force to be successful. Oh yeah, obviously. Yeah. So my concern about having it coming out on Switch and not Switch, too. And then just doing an update later. First off, when you do the update later, if people already played Prime Force, there's kind of less reason to get it with the update. Obviously some people will double dip on that, everyone. But the other issue you kind of run is that it comes out that it's like one of the last Switch games before Switch 2. Everyone, by that point, is already excited for Switch 2. A lot of people may just wait for Switch 2 and they'll kind of skip out on Prime Force. The other thing is, Nintendo has been really showing this pattern the last couple of years of whenever they have a major first-party release, they don't like to talk about what's down the pipeline for the most part until that game comes out. Like when it was like when it was Zelda, they like pump that up, pump that up. And then after they gave us some time to sell, Super Mario Bros. Wonder. But they've been doing that. You go back, that's how I like to do it. So I think Nate's right in that a launch lineup is going to be insane. Like I could see a new 3D Mario, but they're not. They're not going to botch it after their history. I'm even kind of thinking Mario Party's coming out next year. Like they might get that out early on. But they're not going to want to have Prime 4 come out at the same time on both consoles when they already are going to have something at launch that they're going to be pushing. Yeah, I just think it will sell so much better if it just stays on Switch and then comes a Switch 2 sometime down the road. Like we can get into the debate on whether or not they could do it and whether or not they could pull it off. Look, Nintendo's a multi-billion dollar company. If they say they want to do it, they'll do it. Wait, can I just read a Super Chat that I don't agree with? I was going to bring up which one is it. I can show it. Prime 4 should be a Switch 2 exclusive. Metroid doesn't have sales history to justify cross-gen. The install base of Switch is irrelevant. That is crazy. Thank you somewhat for donating $5 to the chat. A hundred and forty million install bases are relevant? Like Nintendo has promised, promised, prom. You know how bad it would look? And to say the install base is irrelevant. Announced in 2017 for Switch at night. And you didn't bring it here in the first sentence. But I'll let you take it, Nate. I'll let you take it. It was announced in 2017. That would be a really bad look if it never came out on Switch. And one thing of Switch software still wasn't selling well. But I believe Mario wonders about to come out and be another 10 million plus sell or 20 million, probably even. I think Super Mario RPG has a chance to be 5, 10, 15 million, maybe. We'll see how well they push that. The point is, the software hasn't shown that it's really slowing down in sales. Only the system sales are slowing down, which just kind of shows they've reached market saturation with the system. But the demand for their games hasn't gone anywhere. So I just don't know how you say a series that's never proven to be evergreen, let's make it exclusive on a system with a tiny install base and think that's the best thing for that game. It might be the best thing to make the game look pretty and awesome and amazing, making it Switch to exclusive. If you want the prettiest, most amazing-ness looking one, sure, they just developed it exclusively for it. It wouldn't be better because it's more powerful hardware. But also, Metroid to date so far, even Dread wasn't evergreen. Not every Nintendo game is evergreen. So they got to be really careful about a AAA game that they put a lot of money into. They put a lot of money into this game. It rebooted development. Nintendo's got a lot of money invested in Metroid Prime 4. They've been hiring a lot of high-tier AAA talent for years. So they're not going to want to drop it on a low install base system. And then you're talking, well, then once the install base is picking up, okay, so we wait in three, four years and then we forget about the game at that point? I think we disagree on some things. But I think we agree on this. This direct will tell us what Nintendo's doing with Prime 4. We'll have a pretty good answer. I think we can do this in the middle of the podcast. But things are getting a little heated and I just need Eric to calm down. Stop raging there. Sorry, man. Stop raging. The Silent Rage is getting very loud. The Silent Rage is getting very loud. Nate, we can't even agree on this direct. Do you think it's an idea of what Nintendo's doing with Prime 4? Well, look, if they show off Prime 4, obviously we have an idea. But if they don't, then I mean, I don't really... Here's the thing. We don't know Switch 2 is coming in March. So let's say they announced it in March. I don't think it's coming in March. You don't think it's coming in March. So it's going to come later. So what does this director to tell it? Even if they just say 2024, what does it really tell us when in 2020? It can be anytime. Like the only way it tells us is if it releases this year, because then they would literally say it releases this year. All right. Well, let me explain my perspective on it. Yeah. Okay. So if it's not there, what does it announce it in February? There's a few scenarios. If Prime 4 is hypothetically coming out in March, not only do I believe they would 100% show it in this direct, they would tell us more than it's coming 2024. They would say like spring 2024 or something like that. They would give us a more specific timing if it's that soon. If they just say 2024, to me that says it's coming next fiscal year. And do they attach them to the Switch to the trailer? Or do they leave it off to leave the speculation raging? I mean, I think it'll still say so. Like for example, what, like with Breath of the Wild, it's pretty, we knew it was like, I don't think that matters. I think it'll still have the Switch logo. I think people will still speculate like crazy, but I don't know. So this is my take, right? I have three scenarios. One scenario, Prime 4 is just not there at all. To me that says it's coming out next fiscal year. And that puts it as a cross-gen title. Well, I mean, you could argue maybe like June or something, but I think most likely it would be a cross-gen if it's not. I agree with that take. If it's not there, it has to mean that. Yeah. But if they tease it, and they just say 2024, to me that still says cross-gen. If they tease it and say like spring 2024, then I would agree with, I would be like, okay, maybe it's right. It's coming out before. You're meaning a cross-gen again? Coming out for both systems. At the same time or separate? Coming out for the, on both systems at the same time, give or take a week if you want to have a minor difference. Oh yeah, technically that's what they did with Twilight Princess. Right. Give or take a week, but basically the same, same difference almost, right? But I don't think it would be a day one Switch 2 launch title. Let's say Switch comes out September, it may be Prime 4 comes out November or something, like just to give an example. But that's what I kind of think that. If it's a cross-gen title, that's the most real thing you can see it. It's a Switch 2 is already out when it drops. Yeah, so you're going to do a Sony thing, where Sony released games cross-gen for a bit, and this is just one of them. I mean, I'm not saying that you're saying there's going to be more cross-gen, but it's, that's how Sony did it, like Miles Morales was on PS4 and PS5. Would it be another physical release, or would it be a graphics patch that you buy or get for free? I would presume that if it's releasing on both at the same time, there would be a Switch 2 version that you would buy separate. Okay, I thought we were talking about the possibility where they've released Prime 4 on Switch 2 like a couple months after. I was bringing up the Sony stuff, because Sony did it for a couple years now, where there are a lot more exclusives where on PS5 and PS4 at the same time. And you're kind of inferring that that's what this would be. It just wouldn't be at launch. It would be maybe a month or two in. Good question in the chat. Does Hogwarts Legacy drop on the Switch 2 instead of the Switch? No, it's going to be shown off during this direct. It's going to look like Doodoo and we're not okay with it. So I do have a question for Andres, because you sort of hinted that, okay, you think September is when the new system is coming out. Well, I mean, the recent news gives me some optimism that it comes out a little bit earlier, right? Like you seem to have some optimism that could come out in the first half. I don't want to outrule that, but I don't think March is the right thing. I mean, we don't know. I mean, I have an optimism that we could be looking at a summer season release. I love how quickly we calm down from me insulting you to now we're just chilling. Welcome to Friendships, guys. We can let things go pretty quickly. Just wait till we hit end podcast and then watch the real blood bath behind the scenes. No, I'm going to be like, Nate, you called me to pee before the show started. How dare you? But no, the reason I bring this up is because if Metroid Prime 4 is going to be released a couple of months in, like the example you gave in November, all right, and say the system launches in September, how are they filling the slate? Because you think they're just going to have a five-month gap of no games? Oh, no. Well, I think 3D Mario, Mario Party are going to be... But that's on Switch 2. What's happening with Nintendo Switch just the entire time that Switch 2 hasn't launched? Well, I mean, that's going to be slowed down. That's going to be slowed down. But that's the mistake that Nintendo has always made, is they stop making games for the system they have now. Well, hold on. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question. Are we talking about games coming out for Switch during the Switch 2 era or right before? Before. Because if it launches in September, what are they filling in before the end of the year? And that's why also the summer release window makes more sense to me because we don't need that many games to get us there. So if we just let's talk about this for a moment, right? Well, we have two games next year that we know. We already have two, right? But even if it's... Okay, you go on. There is the fire emblem genealogy where we make it heavily rumored. I think that could easily be another one. Right? The GX remaster, if it is as ambitious as I'm thinking it is, that's another. And that's four. And then, of course, they could have... I think we're entering the remaster era. That's what we need to forward. Sort of bad men laugh for a bit. I mean, they still had some big games, new games in between, but not as many. Not as many. But I think if it... Depending on when the Switch 2 does come out, we're going to see more and more start dumping out. Which is what we've been told, right? Yeah, Emily Rogers said that last year. Yeah. And so, but my point is though, right? Like, we got the F-Zero and Fire Emblem rumors where you have two confirmed games. That's at least four. I'm not going to say confirmed. We don't know. Wait, wait. No, Peach... No, no, no. Pete, the Peach and Luigi Dimensions games are confirmed games. Yeah, yeah, those are. I don't know. The ones that you're saying, we don't know if they exist. No, no, no. I'm saying the Fire Emblem and F-Zero are rumors. Yeah, yeah. All right. Sorry, I was just clarifying, because you mentioned those games and then you said confirmed. I got four games. Two of which are rumors. You said two confirmed. So you mentioned four games. Right, right. The rumors are Fire Emblem and F-Zero that confirmed or Peach and Luigi Dimensions mansion. They could easily add a couple more. Like, that's... I don't think... And then all of a sudden, like, they can skip one month and then we're in July or August. Like, that's pretty doable. It doesn't have to be prime four. It could be prime four, right? But, you know, if you get us to August or September, right, with a half dozen games, that's, like, not even a drought. And then, as I've talked to you before on this podcast, right, I think both will have both a major Pokemon game and prime four in that launch window. Those would still be Switch titles. So you still have solid big hype games for just... They're still available for Switch, even during the Switch 2 era in the beginning. See, my thing is, if they fill the slate with remasters, which I agree, there's probably going to be more of them. I don't think we've reached the end of what the remasters are going to be. I think that that is still a mistake. Oh, one thing... None of those remasters that you can talk about are going to still have implications because I know you guys didn't play the Pokemon DLC. Yeah. But it's right at the beginning. So this isn't spoilers. But right at the beginning, they referenced that you're going to a place with students that are coming from UNOVA, which is where Gen 5 takes place. Yeah, yeah. Legends, Kirim, baby, let's go. Oh, here we go. People are saying either that, or Black and White or Green. We might, you know, whatever. But that could be something that comes with Switch 2. I'll explain what I'm trying to say. My mindset is, only one company handles transitions well of all the major gaming companies in Sony. And they do it by dropping major exclusive games pretty much right up to the new system coming out. And so for me, I don't think that a peach game is a good enough as an exclusive game to be the only exclusive drop next year. Because Luigi Smash is not exclusive. It's a remaster. All these other remasters, remasters. Where's the new? It's kind of new. You're like abandoning new games, which I understand they have to at some point. But it's sort of like, that's the mistake they've always made is they abandon the system. Well, I guess, I guess what you... Well, a lot of this is based off timing though, right? So like, would you say Mario Wonder, you know, would be a solid Swansong? No. Why? It's too early to be a Swansong. Well, okay. I'll hold on a second. If, let's say, Switch 2. Swansong games are usually showcasing the best that your harbor is capable of. You're supposed to get the best of the best at the end. I think, okay. So I guess in that definition, tears of the kingdom kind of was. But it visually still looks like Breath of the Wild, whereas Metroid Prime 4 could literally be a showcase game. You end strong by making Switch, like showing people like dudes, which can do that. I think in 10 years from now, when people think of the Switch, just because of the sales, we might think of Metroid Prime 4 as a Swansong, but I think in general, tears of the kingdom will be seen as the Swansong. What do we see as a Swansong for Wii U? Breath of the Wild? No. I don't know. No. I mean, if you see that, then my Prime 4 argument for being crossed. The Wii U doesn't even be made anymore when that game came out. Let's just. Okay. What was the 3DS Swansong? Maybe that's a better question to ask, because 3DS was getting games two years into Switch. For me, it was probably Pokemon. There's a Pokemon? Okay. Well, there's Primal. That's fine. At the time. A little different than this is a placement system. Oh, by the way, another thing, because we're talking about filling in the gaps, we still have Wave 2 of the Pokemon DLC probably coming out sometime next year. Did you just say that DLC doesn't count? No, no, no. I didn't say that. Well, I did, but what I meant was, it counts just not as much. Right? And no, hold on a second. Let me further elaborate. When I'm rating a Direct in terms of, oh, that's really cool, right? Like a new game, and you said this yourself, new game, that's what you care about the most. New games are exciting. New games are the most exciting, cool thing, but remasters aren't as significant to you. And that's my same argument for DLC. DLC is not as significant as a brand new game. But if we're talking about Nintendo filling up the gaps, remasters and DLC is better than new games for them, because that doesn't require as much effort, and they can save their main resources for their next console. So my point simply is, is that DLC can be used. I don't think it's enough to be like amazing, right? But if we're talking about a transitional period, remasters and DLC with a couple new games is probably what they're going to do. So we've got Side Order, and we have Wave 2 of the Pokémon DLC. Those are two actual significant expansions, right? So as far as DLC goes, they would be Hype DLC. Sure. That alongside a Fire Emblem, and a Zero of Peach Game, a Luigi's Mansion game, and maybe one other new game, like that's solid. It's not amazing, but that's solid to get us into summer. I was hoping that new Donkey Kong game was going to be that. But based off the recent Mario vs. Donkey Kong rumors, I'm probably not getting the big Donkey Kong games. Yeah. That's direct, although we don't know for sure. And this is my stubbornness. And this is what my stubbornness is probably this whole time with this transition, as I really only think one company does it well, so I only really see one way for it to be done well. And that is to keep the current platform healthy with exclusive games up to the new system coming out. And I just, you know, even like a Donkey Kong... It's good that you say that, Nate, because so many people think that Microsoft and Sony botched it by doing that, because now people are like, why did we even get next-gen consoles? Everything on PS5 and PS4. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Because here's the thing. Sony did the cross-gen thing, right? And so did Xbox, right? Cross-gen, cross-gen, cross-gen. I'm not talking about cross-gen, because if you look... Because that's a more recent thing. If you look at Sony's history, PlayStation 1, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, one thing they did consistently is in that final year, leading into the launch of that new platform, they had major exclusive games dropping on that last system to keep people hyped, keep people talking PlayStation, keep people currently with PlayStation, playing PlayStation, until the next system came out. And that cross-gen's more of a newer thing, and a lot of people are sort of iffy on, like, did they do cross-gen for too long? Why are we waiting three, four years to even get exclusives? Nintendo's not going to do that. You're going to have exclusives day one on Switch 2, I believe, firmly. Like, 3D Mario is going to be exclusive, but Nintendo has always believed exclusives are hardware. I'm talking about the biggest mistake Nintendo's made is sort of abandoning the audience before the new system even arrives. And Sony's always done a good job of not doing that. And every time we think back on prior Sony platforms, the games that we tend to remember the most were the ones that came right at the end. I mean, we still talk about The Last of Us on PlayStation 3. That was one of those games. It came when we knew PS4 was coming. We knew it, but it still came out at the time as an exclusive game on PlayStation 3. And it was literally, arguably, to many people, the best-looking game on the platform. They ended it strong because it sends a signal. If this is what we can do with this, imagine what our next thing is going to do. Metro Prime 4 will be. Yes. Because Metro Prime 4 can look so impressive. And this is just because I do think Metro Prime Remastered looks great. I think 4 is going to blow it out of the water. And Sony does that. They remaster it for the new console. Yes, yes. And I believe they will do that. They're going to do them with a lot of Switch games. Here's the kingdom I think they'll do it with. I could see a universe where that happens. Yes. So, it's not that I'm saying it. The argument earlier wasn't me saying that I don't think Metro Prime 4 is going to have a version or an update or something on Switch 2. Yes, I think that's going to happen to a ton of Switch-exclusive games. They're not going to just, even if it's backwards-compatible, they're not just going to try to not sell the games again to you. They're going to try to resell you the games. They're going to repackage and resell them. You'll get a Smash Ultimate with all the DLC included. They're going to do stuff like that. But because, of course, it just makes sense. I mean, they've already shown that with the Wii U. Yeah. The argument, though, the counter to that is that the Wii U didn't sell very well. Yeah, yeah. It's a more complex situation for sure. But I think it just makes sense. Like, Evergreen titles are Evergreen. And I think they can see a world where a lot of these Switch games can continue to be Evergreen on the next system by adding some upgrades to them, just like Sony does, right? Like, they don't necessarily have the Evergreen status, but they definitely have the sales. Like, they can relaunch games that were on a prior system. You know, I mean, I don't even want to talk about the remaster or the remaster, but they did it and it sold decent. Like, so Sony, so I do think that they're going to do that with Prime 4. I just don't think it's going to launch crossings. I think they're going to bring it to Switch first, because it reminds people of what Switch can do. And that will excite people for what could possibly be on the next system. Makes sense. Okay, I mean, I understand what you're saying. That's the Sony way of doing things anyway. I'm not sure I agree, but I understand where you're coming from, right? Like, ending with a bang, keeping fan. Like, it's in a way, it feels like a show of good faith, because you're keeping the content coming. So I understand that, right? You mentioned something in terms of the Metro Prime 4 thing, in terms of being Evergreen. One of the, another reason why I feel like Prime... I don't think it's Evergreen, but yeah. Well, I think that if you do cross gen, that facility, when I again, when I say cross gen, they come out the same time, Switch and Switch 2 versions. Prime 4 has like that Switch 2 launch effect, or launch window effect, where it's one of those big games that you tend to get when you get a Switch 2, even a couple of years down the road. So it gives, I think it has a better opportunity of being Evergreen by doing that. But did every game during the launch year for Switch become Evergreen? Well, a lot of them did. But what games did? The games that became Evergreen are the games that are already Omega 7. Well, I mean, a lot of games on 2017 continue to sell... Or I should say a lot of the games that... Even Xenoblade 2, for example, which is a more niche title than some of the major ones that sold really long 2017, that has enjoyed an Evergreen effect, to a lesser degree. But it still continues to sell, and it's the best Xenoblade game. Xenoblade 2 numbers have... Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on, let me look at Xenoblade. You're actually winning me over, and I want to ask you this question. So, okay, let's say Metroid Prime 4 is a Switch game, right? Switch exclusive. And obviously, Switch 2, you can play it on there. Do you think they'll have a thing where, whether you buy it digitally or physically, if you transfer your account or whatever to the new Nintendo Switch, you'll be able to play the game that you purchased through Switch with some kind of... Same ghetto transfer over, totally. Well, do you think there'll be some kind of performance upgrade, and then they'll only sell a Switch cartridge? Oh, it'll be an exclusive version, I think. But you can... And I don't think it's going to save you any more money in that. What's that? I think it'll be... It's more money and exclusive. Yeah, I'd say it. Yeah, I think it's going to be exclusive versions. Like, you'll be able to play the old one, if you want, right? Like, package compatibility, play the old one. Will they do what Sony did, like $10 upgrade? I don't think so. Nintendo wants to repackage, because Nintendo... Nintendo's not like Sony. They don't reduce the price of their games. So, to justify selling at a full price still, they would have to have an exclusive version. Your whole argument is that you think they'll do what Sony does. No, no, what Sony does leading into launch, not cross-gen stuff. Right. Yeah, I don't... I feel like Nintendo sees that. Yeah, and you're focusing on cross-gen. I'm focusing on Sony releases games, and then they re-release them. They're choosing where they'll copy Sony where it applies. Well, yeah, and I... Because they're not Sony. They don't lower the price of their games. What you're describing they should do is because of the cross-gen upgrades and stuff. Let's clarify something. But to be clear, I'm... You're convinced, like, I am starting... It's starting to make more sense to me. Yeah, so the reason that I'm picking and choosing what parts of Sony work for this is because Nintendo and Sony fundamentally make money in different ways with their games. Sony massively discounts and eventually offers them on PS Plus. Also, they release them on PC eventually. Okay, so they don't maintain price points of games. Today, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is still $59.99, and it was that back in 2014 on Wii U. It hasn't changed prices in almost a decade because Nintendo's games are just more evergreen. They keep being top... Like, not all of them, but a lot of them, enough of them. Keep being top 10 sellers without dropping prices. So because of them, because of how evergreen their games are, and because Nintendo doesn't like to lower prices, it doesn't make sense to just be backwards compatible and charge a $10 upcharge when you could repackage and instead of $10, sell it for $60 again. Oh, $70. Well, it could be $70, but I think if it's a Switch one, they might still stick at $60. I think if people buy the $60 version, or $50, whatever, if they buy the $60 version for the Switch, why would they then buy the $70 version if they already played and beat it? Because of the... Well, that's the same... Why do people buy remasters at all? They already beat it. They already... But it's not a remaster. It's just the same game with some enhancements for the new system. But what are the enhancements? 4K, 60 FPS, maybe they toss Ray Tracing on top. Suddenly, that's more than most remasters do. Why would you pay another $70 for a game you just beat? Wouldn't you just wait for that version to come out? I do have a hard time seeing... I'm just saying, how much more likely is it that someone pays another $70 for a game they already played and beat versus paying another $10? A few months apart, I do have a hard time seeing them doing that. It feels weird. Imagine the scenario Prime Four comes out May. May, kind of like the Tears of the Kingdom slot, sell it for 60 bucks. And then in October, they released it again in October for $70. I have a hard time seeing them doing that. But why? Because on top of people double-dipping, that's not the point. People would be double-dipping. I could see them doing that with... Or some other double-dipping. Or titles that aren't... Tears of the Kingdom is a special case, but then other titles that maybe aren't as recent. That came out near the beginning of the Switch lifecycle, that they can really take advantage of a performance update. I can tell you why. I can tell you why. At least Nintendo doing that. Like they are about money. I'll tell you why. A game that comes out so close, that particularly doesn't make sense to me. I feel like there could be situations where they could maybe do like a $10 or $20 upcharge. But yeah, maybe they'll do $20 because they're Nintendo. Or maybe if you have a Nintendo Online subscription, you can upgrade for $10. Or free. Maybe, yeah. Actually, that would be a big seller for Nintendo Online. I could see that. To me, it feels a little messy. I think Nintendo is going to be a little bit more clean about it. Yeah. I do want to address something, though. There's something I want to talk about with you. I understand your point about wanting to have consistent content. I think it shows good faith, the keys to momentum going. So I agree with that thinking of yours, Nate. But I guess where I maybe differ a little bit is I don't think you need to have like a really big game of the year candidate kind of game to come out a month or two before Switch 2. I don't think you have to do that. I think Nintendo has done a good job of coming out with consistent quality games throughout. And they can do that next year, right? Like Mario Wonder is like a really big game, Mario Peach is a good game. They can open next year with Fire Emblem, as Zero, Peach, Luigi, it's well, two and three side order, Pokemon, DLC, maybe a couple other little things. And then my summer time, if Switch 2 comes out summer time, have 3D Mario, that's pretty good. Sure. But they've never successfully transitioned to a next platform and saw the same success because they literally stopped releasing those high quality games leading up to it. Well, my point is simply that if the kind of games I'm talking about wouldn't really be that different from some years Nintendo has had. We've had halves of years where they're solid. Sure. But we also knew about usually a big game still coming to the system. There was something to be hyped about for the system you owned. Well, the thing is, you know. And I know Cross Shen, right? You can still. Right, right. It's still there. The hype is going to be so much less when people know there's a better looking version of it on a new system. Not for people who are buying Switch 2. But that's my point. That's why even, but let's say they will also have the Pokemon game that's coming out this next holiday for sure. We're going to learn about the beginning of next year. Let's say the new system launches in September. They launch Metroid Prime 4 in June, exclusively for Switch at the time. And then they later announce that for November there's going to be a Switch 2 version. I think that makes a lot of sense. And I'll explain why. You've released it exclusively on Switch, right? And we already heard by that point, we already know the Switch 2 exists. So we already would know if there's backwards compatibility or any of that stuff. So people would start buying it. It says there is backwards back. People start buying it and no one they can bring it forward. And then we hear, oh, there's a new version of the game. I don't think people are going to double dip. I think there's different audiences. Metroid has never proven to be evergreen. It's also never really proven. It could sell much more than 3 million copies because right now the best selling one is sold a little more than 3 million copies in Metroid Dread. So we're talking about a franchise that hasn't been able in the Nintendo sense to hit mainstream. 3 million copies is a lot of games, guys. There are so many developers that would love to sell 3 million copies. But for Nintendo, they have certain bars and certain metrics they want to hit that are higher because they have so many games that sell so much better than that. They even did it with Kirby, right? Kirby usually sold a couple million then they hit Forgotten Land and did 5 plus. I think that's 6.4 million now, actually. It's actually higher. I was just looking it up because when I was looking up your sales numbers earlier, like I was trying to see like your evergreen point was the only way to. And you have a little bit of a point. I got to give you a little credit on that. It didn't sell a heck of a lot more from 2017 to 2019, but from 2019 to today, it sold an extra million copies. Which is important now. And maybe that was because of the hype for other Xenoblade games. I don't know what suddenly made it start selling better over the last four years compared to it selling a bunch at launch and then not for the next year or two. Another example is Mario Rabbids, the first one. Sure, yeah, the first one. We don't know on the second one yet. Yeah, definitely. We don't know. I mean, and maybe that's repackaged. They should have saved that for launch windows than Nintendo told them, but anyway. I just kind of look at this. By the way, I've been reading the live chat guys. I know a lot of you think I'm looking like an idiot this whole podcast, and that's okay. I look like an idiot all the time. A lot of people agree with you, too. Yeah, it's cool. Here's the thing. I look at this as a situation where my only goal, like for me personally, I just want to play games. I don't care where they are. Clearly, I have every system. Wherever it goes, if it's a game I want to play, I'm going to play it. But my goal is I don't want Nintendo switched to to flop. Yeah, and they have more competition now than they did when Switch launched. So to maintain that relevance and stay in people's minds, I just don't know that you could just coast on remasters and a peach game to get to that next system. I just don't think that's good enough. There has to be something else that drives hype, even if the hype is a hypothetical hype, because I still am not convinced Metroid Prime 4 is going to sell like pong numbers, but it's a hypothetical hype. It's something that people, Nintendo fans are sharing everywhere because look at this. This is impressive, even if I'm not playing it. And I feel like that's what Metroid Prime 4 can be. I think if they wait and cross-genit a few months into the next system, it's going to get buried by more popular games. It's just going to get forgotten. 3D Mario is going to be clobbering it. The next Mario Party, let's say there's even a top-down Zelda game and they save it for this. I think that could end up clobbering it. A new Luigi's Mansion. Like it's going to be that forgotten game in that mist that if it does sell well, it would be probably because the Switch base may be picked up on it a bit more than people expected once it won Switch 2 came out. Now, we've done a lot of counterpoint. Obviously debating. One counterpoint. I'm not going to argue the whole thing because we just disagree, right? But Xenoblade 2 would be the way you describe Metroid Prime 4, you know, continue to sell even when it was shoved into this maelstrom of other games. Sure, absolutely. I will note that it sort of had its own little time to shine when it came out because Mario wasn't out yet. Zelda had already been out for a little bit. What are you talking about? Xenoblade 2 came out December. Mario, honestly, came out October. Oh, it was December release. Why do I keep thinking it was a September release? I don't know. What came out in September? Subtune. No, that was the summer game. No, I think that was June, wasn't that? Yeah, Subtune and Arms were somewhere. I don't know why I kept thinking that it was a September. I do think that Xenoblade 2 got released in December 1st. When 3 came out and when the definitive edition came out. Smash Brothers also helped. Yeah. So, I think it got bumped in that way, but Metroid Prime 4 could get similar bumps. I also think there's one aspect of this Metroid Prime 4 thing that I refuse to consider, but probably should be mentioned. There's that rumor out there about the big vastness of this game of the world of the era. There's a rumor that floating out there from Xbox. From the Xbox era podcast, yeah. From Xbox era's podcast where they said they heard somebody who had seen this game at Retro that basically it was, it reminded them of walking out in the world of Halo Infinite. And I keep thinking about, this isn't me saying Metroid, it's like open world. We don't even know. We can imagine because Halo Infinite's open the world. So, I don't want to go that far, but imagine that this is such a drastic shift because they're trying to take Metroid to that next level, the way they have with other franchises. It's like even Kirby. You don't even have to go to Bethel. Even Kirby in the Forgotten Land was a next level experience for Kirby. So, if that is the case, there is the possibility that this is a system seller game that's going to move 10 million plus copies and suddenly become the first ever evergreen Metroid game. That's a good point too because you know what? That's what they've been doing with all their franchises that don't sell as much as they want. Even 2D Mario. Find a way. Yeah. Find a way. Yeah. They're like, this isn't selling what we want. We're going to take it up. And that might, by the way, that would upset some Metroid fans the way that it has with some other fans of other franchises. The way Breath of the Wild upsets Zelda fans. Yeah. But it will also bring such a much bigger audience in that for Nintendo, they just wouldn't care. And if that's the case, if that's what this game is, but by the way, I don't know when we'll get that sense. Maybe it's when they show it off. But yeah. Tomorrow, right? Great. Great. That changes my perspective entirely because my perspective is going on the fact that hey, this game is only going to sell maybe five mil max and I just don't know that that really matters that they save that per switch. I also, I have more faith in Prime 4 than you do. Yeah. Yes. Yes. That also impacts our opinions on this. Yes. Very much. I think Prime 4 would be a fine launch window title. And I don't think it's going to get lost. And I think it can if it is breaking the mold and reaching new audiences. No, I tried number four. I wouldn't. It is. You can't dismiss. You can't dismiss, it can happen. I had new Mario. If a new Mario comes out at launch too. Yeah. Like you're not wrong about that either. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll throw this out as well, even though I kind of lean more across Gen, right? Like if Metroid Prime 4 is treated kind of like the tears of the kingdom of 2024 where it comes out like sometime between March and May, I'm okay with that. You know, like I'll I'll get over my switch to graphics boost, you know, and I'll do a Prime 4 for what it is. It's not like you're going to be mad if it came out on Switch before it came on the other system. Like, dude, we got the game. That's really mad. Like, look, all matters of the game itself. Like that's the big thing. We're just trying to like position it best for success or like position it best for like what we think might be better for the transition. I think we should move on. But I will add just this little thing, right? Yeah. Watching the Hate Podcast, you know, it was interesting, right? And it just kind of seems to no matter what perspective they were considering, 2024 is like what when they expect Prime 4 to come out, which kind of lines up with what everyone else has been thinking. So like no matter how we spin it, it seems like most people believe Prime 4 is coming out at some point in 2024. So, you know, we're less than we're basically give or take a month or two less than a year away from playing Metro Prime 4, which I think is going to be a game of the year quality style kind of game. All right. And I just want to note to people watching live all future questions asked through our super chats, we're going to save for the Q&A section at the end. So like, I see Taker to Xen wants to keep talking about Metro. We can do that. We'll answer your specific question, but we'll do that for at the end of the show. So you guys want to get your questions submitted for the end of the show that is perfectly fine. We already have a couple banked up. So, you know, you super chat them in and we'll get it featured and we'll get to that point. So let's just do bottom line. Is this thing coming out early next year? What are we thinking in the moment? Switch to? Yes. No. Okay. Definitely. Eric's hoping he's been freezing. What do we define as early? First six months. Through June. I say no to first four months. June at the latest. I say no to first four months. So I guess he would say first half? First half. Because it's funny. Everyone was like, oh, because before this, we had like possible rumors on Q1. Or was that Q1 to 2024? Q1 a fiscal year. Which I think March and April are a stretch. Give it a three month window. For me, it's March through June. All right. Cool. So they really want? For me, it's this holiday. That's not happening. My window is sometime between June and November next year. Okay. That's that's okay. That's half a year window. Cool. Yeah. Big window. I'm just gonna straight up say it's coming March. I'm just gonna put it that. And so I think they actually announce it this year. Not now. You want to give me a one out yet? But they'll announce it. I'll give you a month. You ready? The month is going to be September. After all of it. So I agree with Nate on March. She mentioned like September more than a June or July August. That's a really bad time to release a game or a console. Like certain games like tears of the kingdom shirts and exception. But especially people that are buying it for their kids, which is a demographic that we often don't think about. Like you're going out like you don't want your kids on that. So like you that's not the time you want to buy it. But like if you get it in March, it's a really good time. Don't think kids are picking up this system and launching either way. It's $400. I'm a parent. I'm not buying my kid a $400 system. Like middle middle school to high school. We're still not buying them a $400 system. They have they have a thousand dollar cell phone. They don't need a $400 gaming system. They got other priorities. Hopefully friends. Yeah. Part of that priority. But I'm just saying they want to play mine. That plays their games. What? I'm just saying Nintendo will be thinking about every demographic possible that plays their games and their systems. And that's why they'll sell it for $299.99 problem solved. That's been my price point this whole time. I can't see them selling it cheaper than the Switch OLED. They're going to drop the price of it all. It'll be more expensive than Switch OLED. $100 price drop for everything across the board. $299. With one terabyte of hard drive. Just start pipe dreaming. Just start pipe dreaming. Well, well actually. And not a $299. It won't be a terabyte. That that actually I what was the rumor about the storage space before? Was it 512? 512 in the dev kits. So what's interesting about that now with the latest information about the really quick load times. If it's an SSD, 512 is very conceivable. See beforehand when we considered that rumor, I was looking at it from perspective of being flash memory. But if we're talking about solid state drives. Which is technically what solid state drives are. But you know what I mean? It's a different more advanced version. I can see 512. I can see that. Yeah, there was one thing I wanted to say before we rounded up this topic. I literally don't remember what it was. Maybe it'll come to me later when we get to the question section. All right, let's get to this last topic that we have here before the question section. Don't know how much we have to say on this because it's a Zelda movie rumor. All right, there's, like we've already had Zelda rumors in the past. Like we had a Netflix series rumor at one point. Supposedly it was only ever pitched and never became a thing. But then again, this is all secondhand stuff. We don't really actually know 100% if that's a real story. Just like we don't 100% know if like the EA Nintendo partnership falling apart was because Nintendo duped them into thinking that Wii U is more powerful. I have no idea. This is all just the widely believed things out there. Well, there was a rumor not too long ago, earlier this year basically, that there was going to be an animated Zelda movie coming at some point in the future. And we've speculated on this animated movie before, especially after Jeff Grubb mentioned, there would be a Zelda something later this year that wasn't Tears of the Kingdom related. And that was one of the things that was widely speculated. Oh, would they unveil a Zelda movie? I'll tell you. I know that they're making one. But now this latest rumor comes from a person on Twitter. I literally forgot what their username is because I forgot to add it to my notes because it's someone I've never followed before. They have a huge following, like 140,000 followers on Twitter. They are in the center of leaking tons and tons of movie and shows, like a whole bunch of information on the movies and shows. And so they are claimed by people I have talked to that follow them that they, and I haven't verified any of this because they've been doing this for so long. It's like to go down the rabbit hole of their track record would probably take me a year. So supposedly they get a lot of stuff right, but they also sometimes get stuff wrong, which is basically giving them a stamp of approval. Probably. They give everyone a stamp of approval. All right, and then it's okay. And I trust you. Yeah. So they basically said, and this is the point that conflicts with the prior rumor, is that Universal is actually making a live action Zelda movie. Which, I mean, Universal would, I would assume that would be the company they continue to work with, moving forward. So what do we think? Is this like even a possibility? Could this person be right? And if they are, are you excited or are you like? I'd be excited as I found out who the cast is. If I get my audition, then I'm very excited. Were you excited when the Mario cast was announced? Except for the lead, yes. How do you feel about the lead now? He was fine. I didn't mind it at all. I forgot it. I forgot what's him like five minutes in. Yeah, it actually worked. So yeah, my perspective is, I don't know what Nintendo's doing, because I feel like the articles, I feel like some articles have gone back and like edited what they said initially. It's weird. But anyway, regardless of its live action, illumination, whatever it is, I have full faith that if the Nintendo green light, green lights this project and actually goes all the way to completion, it will be good. My only concern is if I'm calling this link, I'm out. I'm done. But then what if it comes out? I said that about just his voice. It's his base. I said that about the Twilight actor that played Batman. And I don't know if I actually Robert Pattinson. It actually ended up being pretty good. Yeah, but I literally thought he was the worst pick for Batman. And I'm like, this isn't going to be good. And then everyone could tell me it's good. It's good. It's good. So I was like, all right, I'll give it a watch. But maybe he hadn't seen him in anything in years. Sure. I've seen him in a long time. Besides, he's a Sony guy. Here we go. I knew that was coming up. I knew the Sony guy thing was going to come up. And he's uncharted. Spider-Man, which Sony has rights to. Obviously uncharted. Yada, yada, yada. All right. Well, who would you want to play Link? Jim Carrey. That's a great question. Outside, if I can move myself from the running. If I exclude myself. I'd have to think about it. One person I was thinking like could maybe do it, but I don't know if I even like it was like possibly Timothy Chalamet. I don't know who that is. Did you see like the commercials for Dune? Oh, sure. Him. That, the main guy. I mean, I'll recognize him. I like him less as Link. Timothy Chalamet. Yeah. Oh, I recognize the face. Yeah. He's done a ton of stuff. Yeah. Call me by your name, Dune. Oh, Wonka. That's coming out. I don't think it's anything like Link. He's like his acting ability. Is that why? Yeah. Well, he's like he's got the dark features, right? But like otherwise he's got like a boyish face. Like he could, I think they could make him look like Link. Yeah. And maybe that face that could age well where he can play him for many, many future movies. And still, you know, that was just one that I thought of, like is feasible, but not wouldn't be my choice. Wouldn't be the best. It's something I have to think about. What about you guys? I'm going to try to see if I can think of someone else. Tom Holland. You're. Just, just. No, I see that mostly to joke. Come back. He is. He is a popular choice to play. Baby, come back, people. I'm going to refer to the chat. Who are people from the chat? It's like putting out there. Orlando Bloom 20 years ago. Well, you know what? It's not 20 years ago. So by the way, he still can look decently young. May it. Yeah, it's it's not his. Not his time. I could play Link. Costume and everything with dark features. You're good to go. I'll play as Pirate Link or Gerudo Link. Yeah, I don't. Here's my thing. It all depends on what they want to do with a movie. It's just a live action movie. To me, you can't base it on any of the video games. And some of you guys might sound like blasphemy, but they also didn't base the Mario game on any of the video games. It was its own thing. And I would like this to be its own thing. And if it's its own thing, then there's infinite directions they can go in. And you don't even necessarily have to have a super young link. They can do a different thing with this. I make it grittier and maybe a bit more older with a bit more actiony sort of star. And I'm not saying that's the direction they should go, but I'm saying that I the biggest thing that bugs me about video game adaptions to movies and shows is when they try too much to stick to the video game, because you're never going to be able to pull that off because video games are a different interactive medium. And I you guys can call up, you know, video game adaption to movies that you really, really like. And that's totally fine. We have, you know, our likes and dislikes, but I the ones I enjoy the most are the ones that have an original direction to them. And so I would like to see this be more original. And if that's the case, they don't have to have someone that looks like Link from the video games. They don't have to have someone that looks like Zelda from the video games. It can be a different era, a different version of Hyrule, a different, an older Link and Zelda. Maybe we might only see his parents. Maybe they don't have to be blunt. Maybe they can be different. That you're wrong Nate about that. It does have to is because any project that Nintendo backs with their licenses there, you know, they're going to have so much creative control. Sure. And they want to sell their games. So they want it to look like their game. They want it to be. But it can. You know what I mean? What does the, but it can, because we don't know what the next Zelda game is. Right. Oh, so now you're starting to think which of three Zelda ones, which two, huh? Now you're coming around. No, no, what I'm saying is that they could have a grown up link in the next game. And this could be a more grown up link in the movie, but they're not actually related. But it warms people up to the idea of a non-teenage link. So I figured out who the link actor is going to be. I figured it out. You ready? You guys ready? It's going to be someone you've never heard of before. I think, yep. Hear me out. Hear me out. I understand. You look at the Marabros movie. They picked a whole bunch of high profile big name actors. I was just for voices too. You're saying I have a chain. They got to be on camera. Yeah. Well, it is exactly. It's different because of the voices that can bring people in. But with, and I think the other actors maybe hope, there will be high profile actors in the movie. But I think with Link, especially considering the history of like kind of like, you know, like he's kind of like an avatar, right? People want to project themselves. When you pick someone that hasn't been typecasted and it does kind of give them an opportunity to create a new identity for Link. Also, like, I can't honestly, I can't think of anyone that we know that feels like Link. So it's, it's going to be, it Nintendo would be under something huge to kind of find out who created that face of Link for live action. No. 20 years, like from now, even older. Okay. So who, so did you have someone on this? Or did you not? I thought about it for a little bit and I just decided. You don't think it's going to be someone we never heard of, basically. That's what I decided. You know who made a good Link back in the day is Leonardo DiCaprio. I could see Titanic Leo as Link. Yeah. Well, it's for that. I'm going to think about it before I go to sleep. He likes it. Yeah, man. Oh, whoops. Oops. Um, that's part of the problem though. Like it, like, you have all these different actors. We already kind of have like a personality associated in our head for them, which is why I feel like picking a new face might be beneficial. I got one. They like big names to move things. I got one. I got one for both Link and Zelda. All right. Who we got? We pull from War the Millers. We got Will Poulter and Emma Roberts. I'm bad with names. I think we will be mad if we get Will Poulter. I recognize Will Poulter now that I'm looking him up. And Will is a girl. Will Poulter had a glow-up the last couple years. Emma? Will looks way better than he used to be. Yeah, he looks way better than he used to look when he was younger. That's what he's just, I don't know. It's still kind of weird. I could see. It's kind of weird to me because it's hard for me to forget what he used to look like when he was younger. But that's the problem. It's like, I'm looking at him now and I'm like, oh dude, he really developed. Good for him. Yeah. Some people just, that just happens when you get older. You actually just look significantly better than you did when you were younger. It was so hard for me to be like, but he did. You're totally like a complete dork when you were younger. That's just the way you looked. That's the roles you sort of played. But again, that's typecasting someone. Yeah. I can't really come up with anyone in particular because for me, it's all about what the direction of the movie is. What are they trying to do with this? Is it more action-y? Is it more like Indiana Jones style? Is it more epic fantasy adventure, like Lord of the Rings? That would be my sort of dream. Someone said Nicholas Cage, but honestly, if Nicholas Cage was Ganon, I would, for Ganondorf, I would. I'm going to be honest. I think who the director is matters more because the director will be the person that brings it all together. So I keep thinking like, who would I want to direct this sort of film? And I think I know exactly who I want. Yeah, how about like, because like, my dream since I was a kid was a Lord of the Rings Zelda movie. When Peter Jackson and baby. Oh, that movie would never end. That's okay. It could be a series of movies. And Nintendo would love that rake in the money. Like Zelda tends to play towards an older audience and more in your 20s and 30s audience. Did he do the Hobbit trilogy as well? That I don't. Let me look. Who directed the Hobbit? Yes. That was a little bit more lighthearted. Wasn't as well received. Yes, yes. He directed those ones. A little bit more fanciful. I mean, obviously. My only issue with the Hobbit was is that it didn't need to be three films. That was sort of a. Yeah, actually, I enjoyed them. Yeah, I did enjoy them too as well. And if that's how good the Zelda movies are, if the Zelda movies are about as good as the Hobbit movies, I actually would be pretty content with that. So like, if you have Peter Jackson, I see some people not know who Peter Jackson is. He literally, one of the biggest things he's known for is Lord of the Rings. He's done like all the Lord of the Rings movies. He's done other stuff as well. Let me get into his King Kong movie. Yeah, King Kong. He's done a lot. He's got a huge, a huge, give you ideas of other things he's directed here. Let's see here. Maybe here, Jackson. Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit are the big things. You know, they shall not grow old. The Beatles get back. He is the fourth highest grossing film director of all time. But he's a big, big name. Huge name. Let's see here. What other stuff? I guess what's interesting is that beyond King Kong, Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, I have not watched anything else he's made. Well, there's the Lord of the Rings with King Kong. At least the lovely bones crossing the line. Let's see here. Those are his early days. Who made an often timer? Oh man, I saw that movie too. I don't remember who directed that. Do you know who make a great Ganondorf? The dude that plays Holmlander and the boys. Oh, okay. Really? Yeah, dude. He's terrifying. Yeah. I love, dude, he's so sadistic. Dude, he plays that character so well. Dude, I've seen other shows with him. He always plays that character like he is. Oh, he's like a typecast guy. He's just really good at that. He makes such a good Ganondorf. Yeah. Debbie's sick. I can see him as Ganondorf totally. Yeah, Anthony Star. Right. Absolutely. So I actually like Peter Jackson. I've seen Lovely Bones and District Dying which were by Peter Jackson. Yeah. So I'm looking at his film history. I think Peter Jackson is perfect. I think he wouldn't mess it up. I would trust him not to mess up a live action Zelda. It would be an entertaining flick if nothing else. Yeah. I mean, if it's as good as the Hobbit movies, which is more recent than the Lord of the Rings. Jack Quaid would be a great Zelda. I also think the direction of the Hobbit movies might be more suited to Zelda because Zelda is not as serious. And the respect he treated the original Tolkien books and stuff. I think he would work brilliantly with Miyamoto and maybe Aonuma if he's involved with it as well to make sure you're staying true to what Nintendo wants while also delivering maybe even a masterpiece. I think Zelda is like the one franchise Nintendo has if they went live action that there is a potential for it to be a serious sort of movie series like an actual thing that could win award sort of movie series. Not that it will, but could if handled in a certain light. If they go a bit more lighthearted and try to make it more of a family flick. I don't like that direction, to be honest for Zelda. They've got you to some extent. But do they? Zelda's got some pretty serious themes in it. I mean, just look at the story in Tears of the Kingdom. So much death and destruction. What are you talking about? Mario Bros movie had some serious themes. His father wouldn't accept him. Luigi's a loser. Yeah, you can do you can have that stuff to still be family friendly. Bowser's badly in love with Princess Peach. It's just very strange. Hey Luigi's not a loser. All of that was done in a comedic way. I don't think Luigi's a loser, but No, Luigi's not a loser. But it was it was a comedic thing. And they were just poking fun and making jokes. I was joking. Just that's not really nothing I was serious. Like I don't I don't see like, you know, they weren't poking fun at the. I don't want to spoil things. They weren't poking fun at the fact that when Link traveled forward seven years in Ocarina of Time, the world was destroyed. There was no jokes being made about that. That was that was pretty damn serious. There was an apocalypse and zombies walking around. As skeptical as I am. If Peter Jackson does direct it, we need Vigo Mortensen to have some role. That's a man. I think I keep having to Google all these guys because I don't think I probably recognize them. Well, I just don't know. Dude, it's it's Argo. Oh, oh, okay. What's he going to play? Raru? Well, he could play a sage or maybe he plays the king. He could play the king. King Hyrule has been in games. He could be a king. I think he could be a good king. Yeah, he's already done it. Yeah, great. Yeah, yeah. Just get everyone from Game of Thrones. It's just pretty well over. Well, hey, if the guy, the guy that plays Jones probably asked someone from Game of Thrones. Kit Harrington. That's who it is. Kit Harrington. He'll be Link. There we go. That's my choice. He's tight. He's like the opposite of Link. Like, can you see him blonde? Does he have to be blonde? Hey, he could be very nice. Yeah, does he have to be blonde? Why can't that be a black hair Link? You got to. There'll never be a black hair Link. One with the red. It's a true Pascal. One with the red. Because they had to make that. No, no, no, no. What? Okay, go ahead. Say what you're going to say. No, I was going to say, Sean Austin as a, as a Korok. You guys know who that is. Oh, yeah, yeah. And why is Gamgee? Yeah, yeah. Probably nice. No, I thought of one for Yannondorf. Joe, Joe Manganiello. Who's that? Oh, he does. I cannot think of what he's in. I had to, like, Wait, what's the last name? M-A-N-G-A-N-I-E-L-L-O. Or who's the guy that played? Oh, what's his name? He's a really popular. Oh, he was the bully in the original Toby McGuire Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah. Gosh, who played Animal Lector in the most recent version of it? Most recent version? Is there a recent version? Yes, there is. Mads Mickelson. That's what I was thinking of. Emil Hirsch would have been a good one. He just plays awesome villain roles. I would love, he does so good in villain roles. He would be, and like, if they want Gamendorf to come across as like a, like, intelligent, an intelligent evil, he does those kind of roles. Yeah, oh, you know what would be interesting, though, if Mads Mickelson was like a xanth, like, character, or like a geer heen. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now that I looked this up, I'm like, man, I gotta re-watch that Animal Lector series again, because it was really good. It was really good. All right, well, I mean, let's put it this way. Do we think this is even happening? Or like, here's the thing, out of all the rumors I cover, like, I have the least amount of knowledge on this person, and like, anything to believe or not. They have a huge following which suggests they must have gotten some things right at some point. But yeah, by the way, I think I figured out who it was. I believe it was my time to shine. My time to shine. Yeah, my time to shine. My time to shine. My time to shine. Yep. Hello. My time to shine. Hello. Yeah. So, like, you think this is happening? Like, we can speculate all day about what it's going to be and who's going to be in it, but, like, do you think this is, like, a thing? I mean, a Zelda movie period is probably going to be a thing. Probably. It's a huge idea. It's probably going to be a Zelda movie. I would say someday, yes. My only question is, would they do this before making another Mario movie? Well, it'd be different studios. Like, if this is live action, that's an animated studio. So, wouldn't it be the same studio? So, they can theoretically have them going at the same time. The interesting part about that is, yeah, if instead of it being an elimination project, you have some other team working on it, then that kind of, I mean, that works well for Nintendo because you're working on one movie at once. You can release movies more often. You can get more often. Yeah. Or, like, you wouldn't want to hear, but... My only thing is, the people that consult on the movies from Nintendo, a lot of them work on, you know, like, Miimoto stuff, are involved with both, but they really want to have multiple projects going on where they have to be... Gal and Numa would probably be... Gal and Numa would probably be this other guy at this point. They would have... Yeah, Gal and Numa would probably be the guy for that. Yeah, at this point. I might say Miimoto wouldn't put some input. He probably would, but... Yeah, but also, like, the consulting role, like, he wouldn't have to be working on set all day or anything. Yeah, I also think, like, even if Miimoto say he was the one because, A, it's just more convenient for him because he's not directly involved in game development that much. Like, we still don't really know how much, like, he really was on the ground floor with the Mario movie. I wasn't even suggesting he would be the only one. Yeah. I'm just saying there's probably people that would overlap. Well, they have a guy from Universal on the board now at Nintendo. So, like, clearly when they did that, that the intent was to continue to expand this relationship and have more happen, not just the theme parks and Mario. So, it's interesting to think about because, like, the Mario movie was such a mega success. Obviously, we're getting another one. Chris Pratt already literally... I'm pretty sure Chris Pratt broke NDA to confirm that a new Mario game was coming in because he just knows they're not going to get rid of them. Like, well, whoops. I told everyone a new Mario movie is going to happen. My bad, like... Or that was just a... It could have been a PR stunt. Yeah. Especially, like, a mist of the writer strikes and something. The movie itself effectively tells you they want to make another movie. Well, no, duh. You don't make one of the highest grossing. Like, some people would think it's basically the highest grossing animated film of all time and not, like, follow that up. Clearly. Yeah. Even without the movie, I'm surprised that Nintendo made a new Mario game. But... Oh, yeah, you're right. Oh, why would they do that? Makes no sense. Yeah. I don't know why they would even... I thought Mario was... No one could have... Dude, it's been, like, 40 years of Mario, isn't it? Time to retire, man. Sound of Mario. Yeah. You know, it's an art thing. We have it at home directly in the morning. Yes, we do. And I'm super hyped. I'm going to be live streaming at 7.30 a.m. That's going to be great. I'm so hyped. I'm so excited. It's going to be... 7.30. 7.30. It's at 9 a.m. It's an hour-and-a-half free show. Geez, it's starting an hour-and-a-half free show. Oh, yeah. It's an hour-and-a-half free show. You see the way that I fill time on streams? It'll be easy. I won't be there arguing. I literally can debate with people on just Metroid Prime the whole time. I feel like we need to talk about that enough. No, we didn't. Speaking of that, let's get to our last topic that is fan-submitted questions. And speaking of Metroid, we have a fan-submitted question on Metroid Prime 4. I've got a couple of them. So let's get to the first one that came flying in for Metroid Prime 4 from Taurus for $5 said, so if they've been developing Metroid Prime 4 for years, why won't it be on Switch as well as Next Gen? Six years of Dev for a new platform that hasn't released. For me, the idea is that they haven't been developing it for six years because they rebooted halfway through. So that's my stance. But I don't know, you know what? Call it me and Andrus, shut up. This question's for the two on the bottom. I just want to grab Nate's mouse and move us around. If you guys are going to give an answer, then Andrus can go. I mean, it's, I don't know. I can see it coming over both. I have whatever. Yeah, Andrus never really gave an opinion on it. And I was like, just come out already. I just want to switch to what about Jakey? Got a response to this question? I mean, I mean, we kind of, I don't know what point this was asked, but I mean, it was a lot of all. I mean, it rebooted development. So it's been three and a half years. So about half the time of what was said probably exactly half the time, because we know it's been done for like six months. So we think we don't know. I mean, six years ago, for sure, there wasn't a switch to because the switch had just come out. So yeah, there's a lot to unpack. A lot. So in terms of development time, they announced the restart in January of 2019. If that's when they made the public announcement, it's reasonable to conclude that development started before January 2019 by how much it's hard to say, but let's just say late 2018. Okay, true. If prime four comes out at the end of 2024, that would be six years. We don't think it's coming out at the end of 2024. But, you know, so we're talking about five plus year development time. Right. Typical for triple A. Typical for triple A. Yeah. And there's also another thing to consider. Whatever they, it's possibly salvaged or recycled something from the initial project. So you could factor that into the timing as well. If anything, at the very least, maybe some level of storyboarding or concepts that they want to do in prime four because we know that Kensuke Tanabe, the prime producer, does have story elements in mind for prime four. There's a reason why Silux was at the end of Federation Force. There's a reason Silux is at the end of prime three. So, you know, games have been developed for at least half a decade. I think that that part is known. Well, at least it will be by the time 2024 comes around. Right. Now, in terms of why wouldn't it be on Switch as well as next year? I mean, it's coming to Switch. It's listed for Switch. It was announced for Switch. It's going to be on Switch. That's what's going to happen. The question is, will it also come out on Switch too? That's what we're debating about. Even Nate still thinks it'll come out for Switch too into some capacity just later down the road. I think it's going to be date. Well, I'm not 100 percent on it, right? None of us are 100 percent on anything. But I haven't seen the thing yet. Yeah, I've been, I've been, as time has progressed, I've been leaning more and more as cross-gen. But in terms of like, how would it not, right? It would be to Nate's point that they would want Prime 4 to just be this really big star for the first half of 2024. That's the scenario where Prime 4 isn't a cross-gen Switch to title because they want Prime 4 to be a really big star for the first half. They want it to be the huge game you play in the first half of 2024. I think that you can wait a few extra months to put it out on cross-gen, right? A lot of us are making this argument for tears of the kingdom because we were optimistic. We were on that copium that Switch 2 could come out in 2023. That didn't happen, but if Switch 2 was going to come out in 2023, do you think tears of the kingdom would have come out in May? I'm not sure. I think it would have held it a few extra months if it was close. I mean, you look at the Breath of the Wild situation with Wii U, they held it off for a few months, so it would be ready for Switch. Wii U had nobody playing it. I think there's a difference between a system that's like $130 million, $140 million, with people actively buying tens of millions of copies of games seven years in versus a system that nobody owned. Yeah, I also think, but the other thing, right, where we kind of disagree is that I still agree with you that Nintendo needs to do things to maintain momentum, but I just don't think it needs to be Prime 4. I think there's a whole bunch of other things they can do, and I don't think they need a Game of the Year candidate to come out in the first half of 2024. Yep. I'm not going to respond because we've already had this debate. Yeah, well, we just disagreed. That's it. Yep, that's fine. We also have one more Metroid Prime 4 thing here from taker610. So, the Metroid Prime 4 is cross-gen, so now I have to just pretend I'm just kidding. We actually don't know. So, yes, I have to accept in this, for this question, it's cross-gen. What kind of ratio would you expect to see? I'd say 9 to 1 switch 2 to switch. I'm going to jump right in there, Captain. So, even if they come out day in day, same day, right, like full-blown, cross-gen, I still think the switch will outsell the switch too, even in that scenario, even if it's not, especially if it's not a launch day. If it comes out launch day, which is going to brush the switch 2 version, because no one's going to be able to buy a switch 2, but even if it comes out, and again, I'm more on your side on this now that I think it's going to come out as a switch title before the switch 2 comes out, but just answering in this scenario, it's cross-gen, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, answering the hypothetical question, let's say it comes out two months into the switch 2 release. I still think that in Solbase of the original switch, people that are not willing to upgrade yet, you know, there's people that bought their switch this year, last year, I don't see that the new system outselling the old system on the same game, when really, there's probably not going to be that much of a difference in performance. And like I said, most people just aren't going to upgrade. I think it'll be like nine to one, the other direction, and then over time, I believe that there'll be more evergreen on switch 2, and it might start to become like six to four. Six to four, in which favor. The switch one would still outsold it more, but that's because I don't think it's going to be evergreen enough. And now again, this is before we see it, obviously when we see it, and if it looks like it's going to be this genre breaking thing that's going to sell 10 million plus copies, that's a totally different story because then it can be evergreen in the way that Zelda was and end up selling, you know, a crap load more on switch 2 as it sells more. So let me ask you guys a question. Right. Yeah. Let's swap out Prime 4 and let's just pretend a brand new 3D Open Air Zelda is coming out two months. Like just swap them. But let's say switch 2 comes out in July and in October. New tears of the Kingdom 3, whatever you want to call it, comes out next October. Right. Hypothetically speaking. What would be the ratio? So Zelda is different because it continues to sell for an entire generation. Whereas a Metroid game, sales will fall off unless like Nate said, it's it's like genre. They break the trend. When you can't use Breath of the Wild as an example, because it wasn't on 140 million install base, it was only 13 million, less than 10 percent. Sure. No, I understand that. But what I'm asking, I just want to get a clear answer then. I think the ratio next to the would still be the original switch. However, I think it would be much more close. And I could definitely, it being a Zelda game, I would definitely see the switch to flipping the ratio at some point. I think it would be 8 to 2. 80 percent on switch. Because the switches install base is massive and people aren't going to wait to play the game. They're not going to wait so they can get their hands on switch 2 to play the game. If they have a system to play it, they're going to play it. But I think over time, because it's evergreen, and I don't think it's going to stay evergreen on the switch because we're at the end of the switch. So it would sell a crapload at launch. Remember when 10 million in a weekend, right? OK. Well, a majority that's going to be on switch. But over time on switch 2, it could pick up like an extra 15 million. And that might put it over all ahead or at least 50-50. Yeah, I think the same thing, but I think it definitely puts it ahead at some point. That's just because that style of Zelda game anyway is proven to be evergreen. Zelda games in general aren't evergreen. But the current way, you know, the last two have gone, those are proven to be evergreen. So I actually, I disagree. We won't know until it happens, if it happens, right? But I don't think it'll be nine to one, as Taker is saying, but I do think that Prime 4 will eventually have a better ratio leaning towards switch 2 sales. I think it's going to be one of the... Well, first off, the idea from what we've heard of the initial reports of the second half launch for switch 2 is that Nintendo is trying to get out as many systems as possible. So I think what's going to happen is that when switch 2 comes out in the second half of 2024, assuming the reports are true, is that they're going to have enough units that they're going to meet demand or be close to meeting demand. So they're going to have a healthy amount of systems out there, and I think they're going to have a better opportunity for games like Prime 4 to match relatively well to that demand. Because I mean, we agree that Prime 4 is not probably not going to sell 20, 30 million copies, right? So my main point is, I think most people that want Prime 4 will also probably buy switch 2 by the end of the year. And I think by it being an early on title and also because I think Prime 4 is going to be a special game, I do think it's going to have some level of an evergreen effect, probably not to the same level as Breath of the Wild. But for those reasons, I do think it'll have a better ratio. I'm going to say lifetime, 6.5 to 3.5. And now I want to address the point too. It is a cross-gen. Yeah, yeah, that's the answer. That's the answer. Based on all this. Yeah. Yes. And I want to address a point, Torres, brought up when I said, you know, for others out of the games for an evergreen, people still singing about Ocarina Time and Twilight Princess and Wind Waker. Yes, and all of those sales happened like in the first month. Evergreen is a continuum of sales over a number of years at a certain pace that is high. So I'll give you an example. Breath of the Wild wasn't a 30 million seller year one. It wasn't. If you actually go back and look at the data, it sold roughly 10 million in that first year, and which was incredible because the Switch only sold like 12 million in the first year. So it was an insane attach rate. But a majority of the sales for the game came over the next six years. Same thing with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Same thing with the only game that really, truly got like a huge chunk super quickly like that was like Animal Crossing, right? It sold 30 million in 12 months and then it slowly fell off. It's actually still selling pretty decent. It's just not doing what it once was. But it had a much, you know, in tears of the kingdom again, we don't know how evergreen it is yet because we're not far enough out from launch to... We just don't have enough data from Nintendo yet to know. We only have one. We have the first month data. Like we don't have anything else yet. So we don't have anything else to work on. We just assume it's going to continue to be evergreen and sell for years and years to come. And that might also come with the expectation that they'll bring it to the next system. You get it. We don't know how this is going to happen. We don't know what's happening with the transition. But yeah, I wouldn't call our green of time evergreen when it's sold like, I can't remember what it was. It was like 7 million on the N64 and it had six and a half million of those sales in the first month. It's not... That doesn't sound evergreen to me. That sounds like all the sales going to launch. That's what that sounds like. Is that at first, Mario Odyssey, obviously Breath of the Wild sold more at first because it was out before Mario Odyssey. Once Mario Odyssey came out, it passed Breath of the Wild relatively quick and then over time, they were about the same and Breath of the Wild passed Mario Odyssey. So it was kind of like a little bit of a back and forth for a few years. Yeah, Odyssey slowed down. Odyssey was evergreen for a while. And I don't think it really sells that much anymore. At least the sales updates have been gains. It kind of hit a peak, but it was pretty... I mean, look, they were both super evergreen like three years. And then it was like Mario sort of slow. I don't know why Mario slowed down to a lot of these fantastic, but I'm still pretty evergreen for a few years. Yeah, it's all... I mean, Breath of the Wild is just a bigger deal. And Torus, I appreciate that you followed up your point saying that innovation to you is what makes things evergreen. That's usually what makes things classics. Like important periods of time. Evergreen is literally sales. That's all it is. You could argue correlation though, right? The literal definition is sales. So it's all about sales. It's all evergreen. But yeah, no, no. Innovation is important though. There can't be a correlation. Yeah. Right. Breath of the Wild is so innovative that it's led to its evergreen sales. Sure. Mm-hmm. Sure. Yeah. Mario Odyssey is not as innovative. Still had evergreen sales, but, you know, Breath of the Wild is more like that. I'm not going to make that argument. You can die on that hill. I'll... I'm leaving that alone. Wait, is that even a debate? Like, I think most people agree that Breath of the Wild is more innovative than Mario Odyssey. I don't think that's... That's not a crazy take. That's a well-accepted take. That's a take I've never heard. All right, well, it's too late. It's too late. I'm not going to... It's too late for this take. It's too late. Okay, we're not going to debate this right now. Another time. Another time. We had... Let's see here. We did that one. Let's go to Monotony here. When do you guys think Breath of the Wild 2 is coming out? This is the actual question submitted, by the way. That's the one when it came up I asked. Is that a real super chat? Yeah. I mean, I think it's coming out... We have to wait a little bit, but I think it's coming out May 2023. Yeah, right? May 2023. Yeah. We're just going to get a time machine. No, I think it's going to get canceled. They're going to come out with Tears of the Kingdom instead. Ah, there you go. Look, if you want to think about this logically, they never called it Breath of the Wild. They called it Breath of the Wild 2. They called it the sequel to Breath of the Wild. So technically, Breath of the Wild 2 is not even an announced game. Right. So, look, if we're going to get a Breath of the Wild 2, I'm going to project that that is a next-gen exclusive game dropping in 2038. So we're talking like next-gen at this point. On Game Pass Day 1. I disagree. Breath of the Wild 2 came out March 2017. Breath of the Wild 1 came out 2020. It was higher at War's Age of Calamity. That's, I don't even know how to react to that. All right. That's going to do it for Episode 37 of the Ten of Pride podcast, an extra long one today. But you know what? We're excited. We got a direct tomorrow. We had switched to craziness. Lots of Metroid debates. Honestly, I didn't think Metroid was going to be like a big debate today. But you know what? Anytime it comes up, I don't know that we've ever seen eye to eye on any Metroid debate. And that is okay. Remember the graphics debate on Metroid Remaster? That was a fun one too. It's okay. One thing you can always guarantee that if Metroid's involved, there will be fireworks between me and Andres. It just is what it is. Hopefully in a way that was entertaining for you guys, even if I looked like an idiot. It's all right. I'm okay looking like an idiot. Big buffoon. I don't know everything. I don't think that you want to do that. I still have the app like I do, but I really don't. I think the audience agreed with both. You get like, there is different people that agree with each other. Different points that we were making. Like you both made bad points. See, here's the thing. I still just wish Eric would shut the app up. I know. God, dude. God, dude. Eric, you talk too much. You increase the anxiety levels. Well, what I will note though, see I don't take people that like side with me on my own channel as like a serious thing. There's an inherent bias. I'm just going to... So half the audience is agreeing with Andres and that means that like, yeah dude, I pissed off half my audience. That's all right. No, I rest up with the thing. Some people said some pretty mean things about me. And you know what? Yeah, that's something. I acted like an asshole. It is what it is. Welcome to the... I'm going to argue until my teeth fall out of my head side of me. You were very... I like this conference Timbermaniac though. Can you showcase it? Which one? I think it's a good one. Is it a new one? Timbermaniac? The latest one? Yeah, I think it's good. I think it's kind of fun. Brian Andres rivals the Lincoln, Douglas and Nixon Kennedy debates. At least he didn't compare it to anything more recent. Awesome. All right, guys. Well, let's go around the room where they can find you, what you got going on. Obviously Nintendo Direct tomorrow. I don't know what you guys are doing for it, but I know what I'm doing. Let's start with Mr. Old Jake Randall down there, the two inch. What do you got going on? Where can they find you? Besides the Boston game tomorrow? Yeah. Besides, yeah. Besides Yankee Dreadstock's game tomorrow, you can find me Jake Randall on Twitter, Jake Randall on YouTube, and two-inch destroyer on OnlyPants. I still don't look that up. I'm almost scared to type that on OnlyPants. I'm scared to type it in. Yeah, you wouldn't know. I'm scared to type it in. I'm scared to pay the fee for access. You can only show so much without the fee. It's worth every inch. All both of them. Eric, where can they find you, bud? There. And here. Yeah, at the at handle down there is a X handle. X handle. X handle. Wait. He will read if you tweet it. I will read. But no guarantee on response. Did they play? Unless it's hilarious. I think they got rained out tonight. Did they get rained out? Yeah, I have no idea. I know what happened tomorrow, baby. That worked out perfect. Oh, yeah. See, that's what it is, because they're on the show. Every time you're on the show and the Red Sox play, it's just going to be delayed. Heck, yeah. Season's over soon. Yeah, we're getting there. Anders, we got going on. Where can they find you? Oh, I got my cat right here. I see that. She's got a little baby. Little Ruby. Yeah. Well, I'll be live streaming the direct tomorrow as well. And depending on what's there, there will be a number of analysis and discussions coming out. I honestly hope Prime Force shown tomorrow just so I can begin the crazy theory analysis train. And it just gives a whole new Prime debate next week. So if you enjoyed the fireworks today, we might be much more agreeable once it's actually shown. To be fair, all the fireworks were Metroid Prime 4. Next week's podcast. And without the game being shown. Be here, because it's going to be, I'm very excited to talk about everything that happens tomorrow. Yeah, we're going to be very excited to talk about that. We're going to have a fully loaded show, too. I'm going to be, uh, we, I'm going to be just throwing. Coming out as well. 12 inches. Yeah. Yeah, well, geez. Bring it in. We're probably going to have an argument about F-Zero instead, because Metroid Prime 4 is not going to be in the direct. What if F-Zero isn't either? Then I'm just not going to show up next week. It's just going to be a crazy show. F-Direct. Yeah. What if, hey, I said the C-Direct. So man, what if they just bomb, bomb it out? It's going to be the F-Zero. They don't, they don't even bring the Peach game. Listen, listen. The highlight is Luigi's Mansion Darkmoon, just showing off one of the boss fights that we've already done on 3DS. For a 40 minute direct. Get out of here. Yeah. Well, hey, look, they might be calling it Nintendo Direct, but what if it's all third party games? So you know how much that appeals to Andres? No, it's just a full 40 minutes of them playing Luigi's Mansion Darkmoon. Yeah. It's a Luigi's Mansion Darkmoon Direct, the skies of the general Direct, right? Why? Because they briefly mentioned the Pokemon DLC at the beginning's out. Yeah. I mean, I guess I'd be excited for Darkmoon because I had it on 3DS, but I actually had a whole bunch of 3DS games that were thrown away or stolen. Darkmoon is like my least favorite of the three. Well, I still enjoy it though. You got to mod your 3DS, man. It's surprisingly easy. Here we go. Anyways, you can find Andres Restart at Andres Restart on everywhere, basically, but YouTube in particular, he does a bunch of Nintendo content, discussions, theories, occasional news here and there for the pop and off story like a Direct. So pretty cool stuff. He'll be live streaming tomorrow. I'll be live streaming tomorrow. Maybe you are crazy and watch us both at the same time. I have no idea. I know when we end this podcast, it'll kick you over to my stream. So you can set notifications if you want to check it out with me tomorrow. Or maybe you just come to me because I'm probably streaming earlier than Andres. And then you decide to go watch it with him when he streams it towards the actual time that it begins. Yeah, that's really all we got going on. If you're listening to the audio version, hey, thank you so much. We are a YouTube channel. I know we do have some audio exclusive people that don't realize that we are. I get a comment on the audio version every week from somebody that's like, wait, you're a YouTuber? Yes. In fact, we're all YouTubers except for Eric. I'm a partial YouTuber. I'm here. I'm on YouTube. You're on the team. Go team. I mean, I guess you've made it two weeks in a row. You've made it as often in a row lately in jk. You know what it was? All this time over the last two months that you had a hard time showing up, you were waiting for the Jake Randall announcement. Which, by the way, I guess I haven't actually announced this officially in the pocket. Jake Randall is a regular now, guys. He's a regular. You should expect him every Wednesday unless we pre-announce ahead of time that he's not going to be there for whatever reasons. It's your boy. Two-inch destroyer. Heck yeah. Yeah. So that's what I was about to say. Eric was just waiting for the two-inch destroyer to permanently join the team before he permanently rejoined the team. That's what it was. Watch you not miss an episode now for like a year straight. Yeah. Always need a little two inches in my life. Yeah. That's a question I need to get to. It's the perfect amount. It's the perfect size. Sure. Being asked in the chat. Ruby. It's more than enough, actually. Ruby. Ruby. Ruby. Come. Come over here. What's your opinion on Prime for being cross-gen? Here we go. Why don't you just ask Samus back then? She's chilling. You're right. She's going to be in the game. She started looking her shoulder. She's a big fan of Metroid Dread, actually. When I was trying to complete a boss rush mode in Dread, like 100%, she would watch me play. That was like my first time. Boss rush mode was great. Yeah. That was great. That was fun in the game. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. We'll be back same time next week. Crazier show, probably not quite as long. Then again, if we're talking about direct stuff and it's actually really, really good, who the hell knows what. I mean, there could be games that are literally individual topics depending on what happens. So we'll see. And who knows? Maybe the crazy thing happens that nobody expects and there is a switch to in the direct. That happens. I don't want to know. You know what? I'm going to say it. I will take the world's hottest chocolate back here and put the entire thing in my mouth and eat it. The world's hottest what? Chocolate. It's only like this big, but you're only supposed to do an individual little square of it. I'll put it all in my mouth. Don't hurt yourself. Don't hurt yourself. You hear about that kid with the chip? I've done it. I've done it. I think we can rest assured switch to will not be announced tomorrow. I can handle the spice. Is it hot? Do I eat a lot of bread and drink a lot of milk? Sure do. But it's not going to kill me. I'm good. My body can handle it. Everyone can do it, but the problem happens in your stomach later. And so it depends on what you have. I'll say this. All that spicy stuff that happened during the Prime Gaming Fest and when I did the one chip challenge, didn't have any digestive problems at all. Nothing. Everything was all good. You know why? I spend all day eating spicy food. I'm one of those people. I'm one of those people that they invented fiery hot Cheetos for. If they don't announce the switch to tomorrow, I will shave my beard in the next month. Wow. If they don't. If they don't. Oh, my gosh, guys. I'm scared. I'm scared to have a preview. It's not like I'm already planning on doing that and just using this. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, so what I'm hearing is we're going to have a pre-beguessant boy joining us. I'm going as Ken for Halloween. Got to do it. You got the hair for it. That's for sure. I am. You got the lovely locks to pull off a Ken. Oh, man. Oh, no. I got. Oh, no. Please do not send me photos. I don't need to see. Hey, if you're not trying to go and you won't get to see them. All right. All right. All right. There we go. Only fans of school. Sure. If switch two is announced next week, I will create an only fans count. You're saying you'll create one next week on the only fans account? It's what she was. What's the theme? We can collaborate. Because the only fans doesn't have to be nasty. It can be whatever. What are you going to share that you're going to charge a fee for? What is it? Charmander's feet. Yes. Charmander feet pictures. Dude, you could fly about some month on Amino problem. Heck, yeah. Those little toe beads. So I'm talking about. No. Dude, make sure you have a. I'm not going to use the cinematic modes. Yeah. You got to get the new 15 so you can get the 5x telephoto zoom-in shot. How many inches is a joycon? Honestly, if you took out a ruler, it sounds like it's about two. Yeah, right. What? Yeah, maybe. I don't fucking know. Well, one way I could know for sure. You're the two inch destroyer. I got something I could compare. Two inch on lock. Yeah, there you go. Like, look, I feel like two inches is like this. Hey guys, if you want to know exactly how many inches this is, subscribe to the two inch destroyer only fans. Now we know it's on the only fans. It's three or four inches. It's four point no two inches. Long lengthwise. That's twice as much as you need. Man, I'm thinking inches are bigger than they really are. They must be like this. I don't know. Anyways, are they that sort for two and a half? They're big, especially. You know what? I'll make a promise. If the direct tomorrow, if I'm going to have a grade for this direct that is bigger than a C next week because I'm wrong. I'm predicting a C. I will actually have proper outro music to go to at the end, which we've never had on the live version of the show. You audio, audio version of people out there, you've been spoiled. They don't they don't get there, right? They don't get that bliss. All right, guys. We'll see you next week. Bye. Peace. Just take some moments.