 One way or another, we're going to continue with this select board meeting on September 11th of 2023 in the town of Rochester, which has been posted in three places publicly, which I saw, and also on the website and emailed to interested parties. And the first item on the agenda is the minutes from our prior meeting of August 28th, which looked complete to me and I've moved to approve those unless you have changes. Short and sweet, a second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. And we have a couple of folks in. Guess here, Tom, Paquette, Nancy, and... Michelle. Michelle, sorry. I didn't know that. I know your last name. I didn't know that. And you guys, I'm presuming that you guys are here to talk about the first item in the new business and about the cemetery expenses. Yes. So, so it's on your mind. Well, I'm going to hand out what I came up with today. It's, I called it the Rochester Cemetery Deferred Maintenance Report. And it is... If you have enough, thank you. We have plenty. It's kind of a summary. And it's not all inclusive, but it's a summary of items that have been deferred over the years of the cemetery and they're beginning to show quite a bit of wear and tear and we're beginning to not be able to handle some of this maintenance stuff with our regularly, regular approved budget. And as you see, I broke it down on a bunch of stuff. Road maintenance, fence maintenance, brush removal, stones that have fallen or another disrepair, the fountain and things that we've never had at some of our cemeteries or any of them actually, entrance signs and posted rules and regulations. We think that would be helpful if people entering cemeteries would be able to see what's allowed, what's not allowed. And we always have the digitizing of our records and maps. It's not necessarily deferred maintenance, but... No, I think it is. It was deferred, so it needs digitizing. Deferred maintenance of our records, I suppose. We just wanted to bring it to light here in front of the select board to tell you what our issues are. We try to present a budget every year when the budget request comes in. That includes some of this, but year after year, it's pretty much a level budget that gets approved and that's pretty much just the mowing of the cemeteries, basically, is what we can do with that money, so... So did you have a rough dollar figure on all this? Well, we haven't really... We could come up with one very quickly if you look at these items. We haven't prioritized... All this stuff needs to be done, but we haven't prioritized it. I'm thinking roads are, they're big potholes. They fill in water every time it rains. It keeps getting worse. Which then requires people to drive over on people's warts, making a new road. Brush on the edges are encroaching. In fact, in some places, it's right up against the road that people are driving to go around the perimeter of the cemetery. Yeah, we can come up with a really quick... With the brush, there are trees that are encroaching also, which need to be probably taken down. Well, I walked through five cemeteries this morning to take some real quick look at the brush and I itemized dead trees. We just had the trees come down in wood lawn and knocked a headstone off. We tried to go through the town's insurance. We haven't heard back from them. We did have some correspondence, but we never heard if they approved it or not. And we've been delaying standing that stone back up. Questions they had was, was the town aware of this dead tree? And if so, why didn't they address it before it fell down onto a headstone? Don't you expect to have dead things in the cemetery? Well, I don't know that the tree was that dead. It was dead. Yeah. And there are other dead trees in the perimeter, I itemized them per cemetery here. And it costs money. I don't want to send anybody after with the chainsaw to cut these. Some of them are going to land on the cemetery unless you do it properly. So I think that's a priority. I think brushing back with the priority, I think road repair is a priority. We need to fix a couple of fences when they look like hell. So if you want a quick estimate, I think the road one probably is the most expensive, but I bet we have $30 worth of work here. $30,000. $30,000 of work here. I wouldn't expect Steve Twitchell's crew to do all the debrushing around the perimeter. Some of them needs a lift to get up there to cut a couple of high branches. See how you hire a contractor to do that kind of work. Well, just with what we've done on the park and the estimates that we've gotten from Tom Johnson on just the park trees alone, each dead tree removal is about $1,200. So if you've got, what, 10 trees there? Yeah, some more. Real small trees. Or eight, five, 10, 15, you've got 16 trees there, so you're looking at $20,000 almost just for the tree removal. If they're all done by someone, that's gonna take care of the tree itself. There's a few small diameter trees, like on the edge of Bingo, that could go down over the bank away from the cemetery. I just counted all the dead trees. They're not all gonna have to be done by a... They're not all gonna have to be, they're not all leaning over the stone. No, they're not. They're not all trees, ink. They're not all 15 trees. Yeah, I know, I'm just trying to ballpark stuff. Plus, getting a lift, you could probably get it into Woodlawn, but I don't think you're gonna get a lift in like the building cemetery or probably not even in Bingo without doing more damage than it's worth doing. But stones down over here that are falling over the bank. We didn't even put in there, the edges where the bank is falling off, that we need material to build it back up. Oh, goodness. We could keep adding. How do you want to tackle this? By cemetery or by category, do you want to say? No, we'd like to talk about ARPA funds. Okay. So then you just need to present us with a number and then it would be nice to have that number broke down by category. So we know if we're hiring contractors or landscapers, or someone with a lift, so that we can fold it into maybe another project as well and prioritize it by date if you had that. I'm sure you said all of it. I don't know if it's possible. It's been done as soon as possible. Yesterday, yeah. But it's every single year, the cemetery budget gets cut. But we're at a point now, the money that comes through the budget, which is basically now the town and the trustees. We are anticipating that our mowing fees are going to, they could double. We understand. Very quickly. You all, yes, we understand. It's not, everybody's going to work for nothing forever. That's going to be the same for all of our properties anyway. We're all going to be faced with that, so. So. I would think if you put together a more realistic proposal so that you've got things pretty well spelled out and a little more accurate that we can probably throw some ARPA funds at it. I don't see why we wouldn't be able to. Do you have any samples from some of the other departments that have requested ARPA funds so I can see how they presented it? I just take your list. They did exactly what you're doing. Yeah, just take your list and figure out what it is and we'll go from there and we'll. I'm just wondering how much detail you want. For example, like Skate Space asked for a specific dollar amount. It wasn't everything they wanted, but that's what they asked for. I mean, did they break it down like he's suggesting? Well, their project was much larger than what they asked us for. They were going for grants and things. They had an engineering study done and all that. So with you guys, you can go and get a couple of prices on doing the, you know, the driveways and that. And then you could get the trees that you're going to need a lift person to do, you know, break it down that way. And what, you know, somebody like Steve Twitchell or them could take the small trees out or whatever, you know, break it down that way. And that'll be the easiest thing to do. I would think. We can do that. And I would think that would be pretty easy to break it down. I mean, you know, you've got 16 trees here. How many of them need a lift? You know, you can't just put a ballpark number on what the trees are. So if you go down and look and see which ones you're going to need careful attention of getting them on the ground, then you're going to get an idea of what the price is going to be for those trees. So then you, that gives you a ballpark number. You can go to any of the contractors in town and they're going to give you what it's going to cost for the entrance. You might even ask Cooter what he thinks of what it would cost to do that much. And he could give you a ballpark number. So then you have an- He's not interested in taking his trucks across the bridge. No, and no, and there's no reason for him to do that. But he could maybe give you a number of what it's going to cost you to get the material there and have somebody do it. He might be able to break it down for you or you can ask one of the contractors in town, you know. Ray would probably give you a number on it. Dave might give you a number on it. I mean, there's several around that would do that. So you can't- We have a man left. And then you can kind of figure out, go from there. And if you come up with some kind of number, then we can look and see what the money is going to be. When we look at the broken and fallen down stones, they're on old lots. Right. So we know that the people who own the lots are responsible for those, but those people are long gone. There's nobody around. Right. We do have to take care of it. Right. And so you get some kind of idea of what it's going to cost. Well, I think Tom's got- Yeah, Tom, the Green Valley Memorials, they've already been over and give me an estimate on those stones that have fallen off the foundation, but they aren't the old stones that are broken in half lying on the ground. I haven't got estimates for those. And in fact, all I said here were there are dozens of those. Right. Over here. I don't even think they're irreparable. Yeah. And what he told me about those is you'd have to replace a stone with a new stone. If you want it up with all the data on there, who it was when they diagnosed that. I don't think we're asking for that. Well, I don't think that that's our responsibility. Yeah, that's not that either. To do that either. Perpetual care. Yeah, no, perpetual care does not do anything. They can't do that. All perpetual care does is take care of mowing. Not even cleaning. No, that's the responsibility of a lot of them. I don't know what the answer to that other than, I don't know if there's some kind of historical value the state would have for repairing old cemeteries or a grant situation. No, I don't think the state does. I think it's all volunteer work. Is it? I have no idea. The Vermont Old Cemetery Association. I figured out. And if you're lucky enough to get them to come to work at your cemetery. Right. They'll do it through a grant, but every cemetery in the state isn't done with the people that are part of the association and other volunteers that go to help them. What would you, is there a deadline? You'd like to see all this better information in on? No, I don't think so. The sooner you get it in, the sooner we can make a run on it, you know? You wanna get to work? This year? You want the money obligated? Or do you want the work completed? Are you hoping to get this work completed this year? No. No. It's too late. I think our concerns we have to spend by the 20, year 25, 26, is it? But does it have to be assigned by a certain time? They have to be obligated by, by 25, right? Next year, December. They have to be spent by 26. So we can put together a better plan. Yeah, a better plan, and that didn't, you know, or more than that. We can work on it. We can see if we can secure contractors for next year. And that way you would have a battle plan and get maybe two-thirds of it done, which would be a big plus. It just is, and then we just have to stop the deferred maintenance. Like everybody has to stop the deferred maintenance. Well, that's a conversation. It is kind of an advantage for that over the years. We're facing that all the time. You don't have to look very far to see it. Right. It's the school, it's the library, it's everywhere. So perhaps it's time, it's cemeteries of the boundless year. Well, I think it would be nice if we could find funds to help out with the cemeteries. Would be nice. The fountain in here. As soon as we get the monument, I'm gonna go to work on getting a fountain. So I'll keep collecting bottles. And we should be able to get a fountain without it having to be town funds. Yeah. Over the years when I presented a budget, I've always had some bullet items that I didn't really expect or even propose to get funded. It's just like as a placeholder for these items. Year after year. And I think the fountain's been on there for probably a decade or more. Yeah, it's too bad they lost the old one, right? It's pretty lost. Yeah, it is. Was that vandalism? Somebody stole the actual fountain. Somebody stole it. That was a long time ago. Oh, geez, girl, that must have been 50 years, 60 years ago. But we've got the water issue, that needs to be, we need to have it for the fountain. Yeah, we just need to have a more efficient water system for the two monuments. Right. Well, just put it together. Yeah, we're open to using ARPA funds for this. And we will get figures. Come back to meeting or just bring it in? Bring it in and then we'll put it on the agenda for whatever meeting we have, you know. Whenever you get it together, and then we'll figure out what we gotta do. I know we have some ARPA funds that we're using for different projects already, but we can see if we can't fit some in there. That's for sure. Is there a dollar figure that... I wouldn't dare to say, there's some major projects still we want to get done and I don't want to step out and say, we'd be willing to give you so much money because I want to try to get those for you. Yes, that's what I would like. With a bottom line, yeah. And that would be good. And then we can negotiate. Yeah, and put it in a priority system there and then make sure we get the stuff that we have to do that we haven't been able to yet. How do you get ones? I know. We got this wall over here as the big one for us and we tried to do something with the library. So those are the two big ones. And then definitely there will be, if all works out, there'll be money left over for something like this. That would be ideal. Where do we stand with digitizing the records? Have we had a percentage or? It's a data entry that's taking place, right? You have the program. It's all data entry. After it gets somewhat organized, then we can get into it. Okay. The records are a mess. How often are you requested for information from people looking for? Like genealogists? Yes. But that's becoming more frequent, a lot. Because of Ancestry.com. That's crazy. So that is a vital thing that we need to move towards. Well, and I think it's not really fair for these two to have to be in there looking up the difficult time of looking up genealogical records. And the fact that there was in such a state of... Index cards and shoeboxes. Yes, I understand. It goes back so many years that they were not kept properly. It needs modernization. Well, it's just going to need people who either new people, remembered people, can look at a card and instantly know whether something is correct or not correct. Marcus. Yeah, Marcus would be... He would have been for a big help to us. A big help, yeah. But it's when you pick up the records and you see that nobody ever put anything on them. And then that impacts the Cemetery Commission or the Sexton and where and how to bury somebody. Where they're placed in the lot. Right. Yeah. And then now we're dealing with cremations and people going up against the policy and digging their own... Yeah, they're whole, they're brave. They're our families who are bearing... They're on cremation without any... We found one last weekend when we were down there. They were just digging away not on their own plot, just... No, they were on their own plot. Oh, that's a plus. They'd find... They weren't going to come up here and say where that was going to be placed. Right. And we keep finding those. And... Okay, no, I was just curious, because I would expect that it would be an increase of inquiries about where great-grandma and great-grandma are located. Well, they're doing that. Yeah. Yeah. If you're lucky enough to find them, they're really interested back in the 1700s now. Yeah. And they're really... Good luck with that. Nancy's good. We're like one a hundred Nancy. We need Nancy. She's good at that. They got to be up in Bingo or West Hill. Well, no, because so many of these people... There are some of them over here, too. They came into Rochester, they came in down on the Stockbridge Fitzfield line. Right. And so then you're dealing with the old maps and land records, which is how they recorded things. And all the writing, that's hard to read, right? You can't read it. Or real cursive. So anyway, we will get specific. That's right. Having a computer, too, would be nice to do the work. Well, you can whittle it down to a page. That should be pretty easy to do, I would think. Just a dollar or something, yeah. Also, he needs a dollar about who can budget it. Can't we do all the work and then give it all to you? So, get it done? I'm just wondering if that's because it's in the cloud. We wouldn't be able to log in. Remember, we have to be able to log in. Do people break into the cloud for cemetery records? Oh, I'm just saying that that might be that you could work off the site and work in the cloud and then it'll upload from your house to the system. Records should be in here. But I would have to be here with a computer. I don't think so. To look at the records, to get it all into it. Yeah. Where is the code? Oh, the records, yeah, that you would. Yeah. So, if I had a laptop or something, I could just, you know, get work on. Yeah, then log in to the... Is there now an extra computer here that we could use? I don't know how. Without buying for one hour a month or whatever it was. Is Joan's computer still in? No, that's not, it would be this one. Yeah. We probably could do something with it. You just need to talk to our tech guys first and make sure that that's all locked down and okay, but you could do that. I can check with them. Yeah. It'd be nice if it's mobile. Yeah, yeah. Winter's coming. Yeah, I was gonna say nice. Time to do this work. Something to do on a snowy day. Well, thank you guys for your enthusiasm in working, well, not... Well, we wanna make their lives easier. Yeah. Tom's life easier. Yeah. I will tell you another one. Did you know that Herb Campbell is in town? No. He's in town. He came by the front harvest fair yesterday, here Saturday and said, oh, there's a lot near my mother, where my mother is and the woman died but she was going to, she said that we could have her a lot. So I said, oh, well, what's her name? They told me what her name was and she's since died and left everything to her two nephews who live in Georgia and she lived in Kentucky or Tennessee or one of those. So I went online to see if I could find her a bit more to get any more information. Her name is Highlander. Ah, I know where that lies. Well, it's going to be an empty lot if it isn't empty right now and we could go back after her, those two nephews, and see if they would sell a lot. Might have to sell it back to the town but at least it could be made available to us. So I've got the information. You could make it available to the public and then pay for everything. But we just need to get them to sign the deed back. Right, exactly. So there are lots of them out there. So you're not really looking for more cemetery space? Yes, we are. Oh, that's the name of them. I know that was an issue like many years ago and it hasn't been brought up. It's an issue now. And it's getting tighter and tighter every year. So cremations are not alleviating that need for. One of the lot sizes are still the same size. We're still going to leave eight person wall. I can put six cremations or one casket. Right, but the lot sizes are already spelled out. So. Yeah, but I'm chunking them up. Yeah, but I'm going to put six people where they used to be one. Right, yeah. But they have to be the same family. You know, just stuff them in. No, no, we're all going to be related. Yeah, we're all going to be related, right? Just go on Ancestry.com. Well, we had a woman here a couple of weeks ago. She wanted to go into a lot that wasn't even related to her. She had a relative that was in. She wanted to go into that law. She liked to view. You can't do that unless you contact the family. Yeah, thank you. You're doing it right. We can't give you permission for that. Wow. Show me your teeth. He's doing, he's getting into these things all the time. Yeah. OK, well. Anyway. To be continued, right? Yeah. It will be. Thank you for listening to it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's good to have the time to talk about it. I'd like to get it talked about before we have a bunch of time. Well, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Can I just say one? Yeah. So I was walking around the old village. Can I make you a comment? No. Right after Tom does. Yeah, Tom was just about to say something here. Yeah, I'm just going to add one more thing. When I walked around the perimeter of the old village lot and coming around in back of the store, there's an old chain link fence back there. It's all grown up with vines and whatnot. And I'm not sure that chain link fence belongs to the store or to the cemetery. And. Or Irma? No. Oh, no. No, it's not Irma. It's behind the store. Yeah. And there's two big dead trees, totally dead. Well, 90% dead. There's a little leaf or two up there. But they're leaning right over the cemetery. I guess we're going to have to determine whose land that is. I think it's the store's land. And the others started the chain link fence. But. And we may have to approach them. Whatever the line is, you can go straight up and take care of. That's a part of the tree. It's probably an 18 inch diameter tree, and it's leaning. And if you only go straight up, you're only going to get a branch or two. But eventually, the things are going to come down. I wonder if there is a survey map of the store. Because there's probably not one of the village cemetery. I don't know. I remember when they were in. We see pins, corner pins. Oh, I'm pretty sure it's the store property back there. I can look. I can't remember the gentleman that was in for research. So we can't spend town money to remove a tree on private property. So those two trees, I probably should take out of them. Well, I don't know. I think we get landowner permission. If they come down on town property, then we have a problem. If we come down on the store, too, we might just want to bring it to their attention. It's like, hey, you don't need a hole in your roof. Right. And work together with them. We noticed while we were surveying the cemetery that it's a potential problem for the hazard. Just as a little side story, in Marx's old house there in Elnor's, there was a big giant maple. And there that giant chunk of it came down in a storm. And it fell into the cemetery. And it went right next to it did not break one stone. It just went. I mean, it went like 60 feet into the cemetery, a big one. And it just cradled all these stones that it had been living next to. Very spedful trees. Yeah. Very spedful trees. Wow. Somebody was looking out for them. It was amazing. Well, it's also, we have to list fortunate that there was nobody in there at the time. Yeah, it was in the middle of the night. Robert, you added a comment? I'm trying to make you comment. Yeah. This is a public meeting. And so I have the authority and the right to speak. Go ahead. In regards to the conversation that's been going on for almost 45 minutes, Nancy Woolley has great points. And it's not a laughing matter. And you guys sit back, put your arms over your heads, and laugh. It's not a laughing matter. And I'll put this forth to this select board, to Martha Slater. Go up and talk to Stevie Twitchell. He's the guy that did everything he could to survive or bring back the bodies that were washed out during Irene. So I would respect anybody, a chairperson or select board member, to have respect for the death and not sit back and laugh during this meeting. It's a disgrace. And my point with regards to Nancy Woolley's respect for the park and the cemeteries is 100%. But you're all sitting back laughing. This is not a laughing matter. So when your family buys graveyards for eight bodies and then you sit back and laugh, it's a subject matter that has been very disrespectfully and in my conscience, well, driving into Rochester when I pass the cemetery, I will never forget Nancy Woolley's intention to support the park and the cemetery. So you guys can move forward. And I wish you a good night. OK. Good night. Night. OK. Moving on to the next item on the agenda was you got some office closings in October. Yes. Which is when? So Tuesdays in October, we're planning to do the budget and finance starting at 4. So we were going to close the office for the Tuesdays at 4. October through the end of December. Through the end of December, right. That's the first. I'm sorry, I didn't catch any dates. Did you say dates? And I didn't hear it. I'm sorry, because I didn't have any knowledge. So starting in October, the Tuesdays, it's going to be starting in October through December. Budget and finance, we're going to have committee meetings from 4 o'clock on. So the office will be closed Tuesdays at 4. And then October. Right. Yes, sir. Thank you. So Friday, the 6th, both Kristen and I will be out that day. So the office will be closed then. And then on October 12th, it's a Thursday. We'll both be out again, where there's meetings and stuff coming on. All right. So in November, we'll be skipping Thanksgiving Day for the Tuesday or will it be Tuesday and then Thanksgiving Day? I think you've got to schedule through the grantees of December. I'll be sending out. Kristen has already sent out the budget worksheets for all the departments. And then this week, I will be sending out the notice so that you can see all the dates and when there can be. One of them is Halloween. Right. Yes. Right. Yep. So Tuesdays, all right? So we should talk about the cemetery budget on Halloween. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. OK. All right. Great. Yep. Do we have anyone from the library on Zoom? No. Nope. Nope. Nope. And the highway, the bridges, people are driving over the West Hill Bridge now, right? They are. They are. And they haven't got the guardrails yet. They've put up the barriers. Yes. Here's the barriers. He said the guardrails were supposed to be here this week, but didn't know if that was going to happen or not. And steel and all that. So and then John's doing covert replacement this week. He wanted to do. And I think he's going to assist them some at the bridge with material that they use for the temporary. He's going to take some of it up on the hill to gravel part of West Hill Road with. And that's about it. He's had an issue with one of the trucks. The international is down at this point. I'm not sure it's back yet. And that's about it. So is the graveling or the graveyard drive something that we could ask the road crew to take a look at? We could look at that. I think I don't know why we couldn't do some of it. Yeah. I mean with assist. I mean, we don't have all the equipment. We'd have to look at that as a road budget item. I mean, as far as you don't have anything to spread, you know, you can spread to gravel with a grater in some places up there, but I'm sure some of it's just a little. Can we talk about heart pack or that reclaim on those cemetery paths? I would go. I would ask John of what his recommendation would be first before because that stuff that's fine. If you put it down and when it's really hot because then it acts like cement and then but after a while, once it gets once you start getting holes in it, then you can't do anything. You can't scrape it. You can't fix it up. You can't do anything with it. Better to mix it in with other material. Right. But so in a road like the cemetery, I mean, let's face it, you and I have been around here longer than most people. So better here. So we've seen nothing new up there for ever. And so that road has been the same forever. And it used to be paved all the way out through there. And it still is signs of pavement there. But, you know, that's been Christ, what, 60, 70 years that that's probably been that way. So whatever material we use up there, it's not like you're going to open it all winter. So it doesn't get as much use. The only time you're getting use is really in the summer and the fall, spring, you know, Memorial Day on is really when it's active. So any type of material that we put up there, you know, as far as like crushed gravel or whatever would probably last for 30 years without causing an issue. At least that would be my thought anyway. But I would ask somebody that deals with it and just to see what they would say, recommend doing there. That's the way I would look at it. Yeah. I mean, paving the hill is nice. I mean, that's the right thing to do there. The entranceway keeps the water, you know, keeps it from, you know, keeps it nice there. But as far as the rest of it goes, you know, we may be able to get by with some hard packed gravel and crush run or whatever out through there that would last for years, the kind of use it gets. So, but I don't know. I'd ask somebody that like Cooter would be able to tell someone like that. All right. Anything Terry's not on zoom and have any reports on finding more sump pumps or anything. I heard Jeff's voice earlier. He's on zoom. Hi, Jeff. Hey, good evening. I just about an hour ago sent a fairly long email to the board and to Harry Falconer at two rivers on Coochie. And basically I had questions about the municipal energy resiliency program application. I'm all done doing the work of getting ready for a wedding, having the wedding, having the family there for a week. And then a couple of weeks of honeymoon and ready to get this thing in. The application is for a detailed energy assessment of town properties and would enable us to list up to five, although I don't know that that's really worthwhile to go that beyond a couple. But this is the program that buildings and ground services that the state has talked to us about. And the application again is for the level two assessment. I will. Tomorrow try to decide which pieces of my. Data is the easiest for me to follow and then get that along through all the recipients as well. And go from there. But that's really the big thing I see from until the end of October when the application deadline is due. Which which buildings are you thinking? Well, the town office. The garage. The city office. The city office. The city office. The two are the larger energy consumers. And I don't know whether. This would qualify, but. We spent an awful lot of money on street lights. And so I don't know whether there's a way to improve the efficiency of that lighting. And again, that may not come in under the, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Energy efficiency and improvements in resiliency. If we could shove that in. If we could fit the street lights in there. I mean. The street lights are all LEDs to 23. It costs $8,000. $31 for those lights. Right. They're all LEDs. Yeah. They all they would they changed them out probably 15 years ago. I mean, I don't know. I mean, they're not billing us on. They have a set rate for them. So I don't know how you can make them any more efficient than that. You could, the best way to talk to GMP about them and, but that's all in rate structure is not. Yeah. Cause there's no actual kilowatt hour numbers in the. And the record for that. It's just a bill. We've reduced it aside from. Well, they did the initiative for the LEDs, but now and then we've. Removed a light here there and that that. And they charge us per light, but I don't think we're looking at really. Removing many more lights. There's been. Just a couple over the years that I can remember that were. Some of those were requested. Requested by people. There is, there is three different sizes there. So that, you know, there's a, I forget now it's been a while, but I know that there are three different sizes. And, and I'm not sure what the number is we have, but it's broken down in the office. And I think on the bills, they give you a. Number of which wattage lights they have for those LEDs. There's a, there's a number count there and it's on a, it's a, it's a monthly charge that they. Break it down and it's figured on the hours of darkness. That's how they figure it. All right, that's the way they used to figure it. I don't know how they do it now, but that's the way it used to be done. It's getting darker. Yeah. So, so they bound, they round it to a number. Yeah. Yeah. That was the single highest electric. Expense actually it's. And it's all electric. It's a highest expense by item, even when you combine buildings and. You know, fossil fuels and electricity on our buildings. But again, the, the town office in the garage. You know, I don't know about the, the firehouse. It's a brand new building, but it's. 4,000, 3,000, almost in 2021. It was almost 5,000. 21 22 is 3,400 and 22,233,200 for firehouse. So, what, you know, what this is for is for a level two audit, a detailed audit. And it is funded by the state, the state hires, the contractors. And it would put us in a position to compete for. Implementation grants. In your message, Jeff, you ask about what is Rochester. In your message. Are we designated under act 172? We were a village designation, army? Or is that just the village? And is there a town? I'm not. Not able to hear you for some reason. Pat. What is Rochester's act 172 municipal designation? I know we have a village designation, but I think we're a town. So to answer that question for you, Jeff, we are a town and I understand you're volunteering to be the primary contact. There needs to be an authorized representative and a primary contact. And I, you know, if that's something you want me to do, I would do it. We'd love that, Jeff. You really do have your finger on the pulse of all this, so it, you know, really appreciate your spearheading this. And I mean, it's up to the board's pleasure. When I know that if I am leading that, I have no authority to make decisions. It is the board's prerogative to make all the decisions relative to this, but I'm happy to be the contact through the process. No, we're depending upon the information you bring us to make those decisions. So that's why I got to clean it all up because it's making my own head swim. It's government. It's too much, sometimes too much data can't, it doesn't help. We designate you as the primary contact for the M-E-R-P assessment program. All in favor? Now there's another position too, and I don't need the response tonight if it's not easy, which is the authorized representative. Can we make you the authorized representative as well? Was that directed to me? Yes, it was. Yep. Yeah, you've just been nominated to be the authorized representative as well. Excuse me. The authorized representative for what? I'm having a hard time hearing like that in particular, I'm sorry. For an application to the M-E-R-P program, the municipal energy resiliency program. The municipal energy resiliency program. Thank you. Energy resilience program, yep. Thank you. Okay, all right. Move along, you got it. Thank you, Jeff. Well, you're welcome. Sorry for being A-O-L-E-W-O-L for so long here. That's okay, you're back. Yeah, as long as you come back, that's your main thing. Thank you. Kristen, you got any updates on Grant? Not much right now. I am working closely with Carlos on our ARPA still. I have a follow-up meeting with him next week. ARPA? He's asking. ARPA, or FEMA. Yeah, FEMA. Sorry. Yeah, so that's it. We're moving forward with things slowly but surely. So I have another comment on grants. We've just received material, or we've received information on a tree grant for 2024. And Frank and I looked around a little bit the other day at the park and decided that we probably could use some new trees to replace some that are not looking that great. Yeah. So there's three parts to that, right? Three different grants that you could apply for. Right. We'll look at it and see which one really applies and work accordingly. And then work toward getting down the trees that are really not. That may not survive. Yeah, some of them are looking pretty rough. I don't know if a lot of it was the frost this spring and I'm not sure that they're going to come through. A lot of them were bucket trees that were raised in buckets. So they're roots through the circles, which we never really paid attention to. It's like everything with the building and everything else. So we got to put trees in there that are dug from the ground. And I was in touch. I sent off an email to him. Oh, to the Arborist? To Collin Creek to see if they would have and what he would recommend to be added to the park. Well, I remember he loves Rochester Park, so maybe he'll do a nice sight visit. Yeah, he said he wants to retire and sit on the porch of the park house. Look at the park. So we're sort of on top of getting information. Great. And we need to get together to finalize. Yes. 23. Absolutely, we'll make a date. So under all business, does anyone have anything that is on their mind? I did participate in a meeting about the safe routes to school. Where we received a grant to improve the sidewalk up here. And they laid out a timeframe that does not include the sidewalk being done next year. It would be the year after. So we'll go two more winters with that sidewalk. Unless we decide to do something with it as a safety issue, but I don't know, I have to think about that a little bit. Well, if they were in town looking at it this past couple of weeks or so, maybe that will put us a little further up the list. I mean, we can't put it back where it is. I mean, it's just ludicrous to think that it'll break back where it was. I mean, we're going to have to look at taking some of the personage along there in order to make it work. Get it back way from the road. Yeah, because it's that little sweeping corner kind of thing. Yeah, it was never put in right to begin with, so no offense to anyone. Pat, did you, were you with the, there was a meeting about the school repurposing? Yes. What was, what was decided out of that meeting that included the school superintendent as well? There was discussion about the flood gates, the flood resolution for the doors. Du Bois and King was involved in that meeting. And it was decided that anyone, it was to answer questions. So there was no real decision, but it was to make the proposal to the school about what, which tactic to take to remediate the problem. Du Bois and King said any one of them, the 5,000 or the 25,000 would be accepted by flood insurance. The flood insurance program is the first step towards being accepted everywhere. If you get a, a rider from them, then, then you're good to go with everyone else. So there was a path laid out on how to, how to go forward and what, which way they were going to go. And it, it is being taken care of by the school district, no one heard me. Anyone, any more public comments on Zoom or in the room? Zoom's all set. Zoom's all set. Well, Martha. Quick question. I, I cannot think of the name of the lady who's sitting next to Nancy, and I usually put down everybody who attends. I'm sorry. That's Michelle. Michelle Schnoble. Excuse me? Michelle Schnoble. I can't hear it. I really can't. Michelle. That's not just a name. Michelle. Michelle Schnoble. S-C-H-N-A-B-E-L. That's perfect. You got it. Okay. Thank you. Well, I can spell even if I can't recognize faces. I apologize. Thank you. All right. Then I would entertain a motion to adjourn. A second. All in favor. All right. All right. Have a good night. Thank you all.