 All right, we are live. It's just Dave and I we're not this isn't the show Normally, this is where I would say podcasters round table around and we'll talk about intros, but Dave and I are just Okay killing some time with the we wanted to do it with you guys if you're watching live I will edit this later so that you know, we can keep our stats, but also If you guys have questions in the chat hit us up Daniels on his way And then we'll do the the official with the official round table and then because YouTube has a basic editor I can chop that right normally this Podcast doesn't get edited the video doesn't and not much audio. I edit the No, you know what I might as well hit record now. We'll do that whole thing because that is something I usually forget So using an H For no No, I use the roodcaster. I use a roadcaster. Yeah, I've used your cash for since I got it. I'm not sure How I don't sure I did a setup where I recorded separately Before the roadcaster, but we probably did yeah, you had some sort of H6 for something zoom thing I mean there was there's been so many right? I I have the H4 in there's the H6 But I didn't use those. Oh, I used the Tascam dr. 60d when we started this show That's right, and it was a wonky setup man cables coming into this and out of this and into that. Oh man Forget that stuff It's amazing somebody had a mixer the other day They're like they had bought equipment like five years ago and They're like, yeah, I'm ready to get going. I'm like, okay great Well, I got this and that and then I have this Behringer mixer and I was like, oh wait, wait, what? And I was like, okay, and I had to like really dust off like wait How did we do mix minus mix minus is say we don't have to do that anymore, right? Like mostly it's done for you. I'm trying to think there are a couple situations where like an analog mix minus Might be necessary, but I feel like if you're trying to bring in extra sources. It's harder to bring in like Other sources now with the roadcaster We like all Bluetooth in my phone, right? Right if I need to bring in an external because you can't just like play something off your computer and Put that into the mix or can you well? Maybe the roadcaster to if you have a second computer. Yeah, that's the thing, right? So you got an interface but even then if they don't have line inputs So you what you bring that in XLR. What do you do a quarter inch XLR like right now? I am it's connected to my Mac is like whatever USB one or whatever Right, and then I have the second one is going to my PC. So I can actually play something on my Mac and Have it go into Which I guess isn't really anything that special. I just I know when I first bought it I was like why do you need two inputs who who has two computers and then oh you have that phone input, right? The analog phone input they take that out. They took that away. I do because they took that out the preamps get really good But yeah, you know, it's the preamps way better. Can you run the SM7B we see out of yeah without a Fathead and have it be really clean. That's there's like the only reason I would buy that get the two Yeah, from what I hear I have I need to double troubleshoot. I have a weird on my one channel I was getting a weird kind of hiss and I need to figure out if that was the channel the cable or whatever it was but the the good news is Mr. J. Lewis is here Here so we can do an official intro hold on. Oh, see I can't do Man, it's so funny. We have not been here in so long Daniel. We are just chatting live We haven't started. Okay. We are live. We're we're just we haven't Ruled in the official intro, but I haven't been here so long that I used to be hard at work But it's premium. I have backgrounds for all my shows. I don't have the mallard Dave has the mallard And now I come here. I'm a just like black background So maybe this is the the new year's cleaning house That I'm looking for as well added to the list of things I'd like to do with PR. All right, let's um Officially start let's officially start. I think everything is good here Daniel, let me know when you're ready. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm so sorry about No, no, I you know I shouldn't because I know we talked about I thought the Friday wasn't good for you So we went a Thursday, but then I also confused it by putting that other live stream and it was on a Friday Which is the last thing that's in our slack channel. So Well, yeah, and I I was thinking even like well, oh, it's a Friday Oh, I was hoping it was going to do it on a Thursday But I can I can juggle some things around and make it barely work But I got that hard out right at 30. Yeah, no. All right, cool Well, I'm glad you could jump in because I was like, huh, what are we gonna? I didn't really want to do it just the two of us Just Dave that's gonna do the original three. Hey, I just don't have anything to talk about anymore you guys So I know there's plenty to talk. I'm kidding. There's always something to talk about. We could ask chat GPT That's right. Oh, yeah host host podcasters round table in the style of Ray Ortega. Oh, that's what I was looking for I was gonna look where's the brand here we go I was gonna bring up the names why not and Let's see. Do I have any backgrounds? I have no custom backgrounds for this show. I've got to get one of those And I have no banners. Wow, I do this every day at work and it's so nice. I have all the graphics built All right, and the cobblers children are without shoes. That's right All right, now we'll make this and I can make the cut in YouTube afterwards here we go podcasters round table round 163 new year new podcast question mark. All right, since we are at the start of a new year It's 2020 30 at the time of this recording What are some things that you as a podcaster might want to think about? Updating it's kind of like a spring cleaning for the new year. All right, so PR as an example podcasters round table We could use a moment we it's my job to get this stuff I should get an updated logo. That would be nice. It's still original logo looks kind of dated It probably was dated when I made it Some new gear already did that one. This is a face cam. So I'm enjoying that Maybe some new CTAs or where those CTAs are and that is that is a lead-in to something We're gonna talk about for sure maybe an update to the schedule haven't been here in a long time so do we need to refresh that and Perhaps even some tweaks to the format. So all of these things bring up their own questions All these decisions you have to make so we're gonna talk about the kinds of things that you might consider updating your podcast But like new year's resolutions, we might be lucky to accomplish one of those but sometimes it's the thought The thought experiment that actually counts. All right, so man, it's been so long Co-host Dave Jackson welcome back Glad to be here. I'm with you. I'm I think I'm officially giddy that you know If the original three not that there's anything wrong with having a the new round table But it's kind of cool to get back to the basics and glad to be here back to basics. I can't say it doesn't rhyme I'm like core for Original three doesn't matter. Yes, you were if you were around for this show in like 2012 or something whenever we started it was just the three of us and I think we might have started With a fourth. Yeah, there was the first person. Anyways, yes, it is the original. It's just host today We thought this would be a fun way to kick off not only Not being here for a long time, but the first one of 2023 Dave can you tell me one thing that might fit into this like Refresh or yeah, things you maybe tweaks. Oh dude the thing that I'm doing and I'm so glad I did was I there's a guy on YouTube named Carl Pooley and if you Google like to do is on YouTube he's the guy that comes up and He said look really to be organized. You need three things You need something to to like a to-do list need something to capture your thoughts So that could be one note could be ever note I use ever note and then you need a calendar and it goes to when something comes into your inbox You either go, alright, is this something I need to do later? Is it a thought that I need to capture or is this something I'm gonna turn into a meeting and I did that and then I went through All of my folders and files and and now I have one folder called podcasts and then in there There's school of podcasting. There's asked the podcast coach, whatever. So I go into the the shows folder There's a folder called episodes There's one that's called production and that house all the Intro and outro music and artwork and things like that. So I just basically got I did spring cleaning And it's amazing when you don't have to spend 20 minutes looking for that one rimshot file that you know was on your computer somewhere So, uh, that's kind of one of the things I've done so far that has already been um Making an effect and the the dumbest thing it's like you said you try to do one of your your things And my one thing is when I wake up in the morning Look at my to-do list like that's the habit and when I do that I go Oh, I need to do this today and that today. So it's it's again. It gets the ball rolling in the The right direction Very cool. Daniel j. Lewis Co-host welcome back Thank you is so exciting to be back For me the big thing That I've been doing is bringing back my podcast the audacity to podcast is back and it's consistent And it it feels so much like being a new podcaster like even with the whole thing of My downloads are much smaller than they used to be so now I'm thinking of all of these things of different ways to grow my audience And different things that maybe I need to clean up in my processes, especially since The only time I can podcast is while my son is at school or if he's asleep That's how I'm able to podcast tonight is he's in bed mostly And so I have to optimize my workflows. It means cutting out some things that I do It means simplifying certain things. It means not necessarily trying to be as in depth on certain things But I'm finding that it's still it's still as fun And I haven't heard any of my audience complain about shorter episodes or simpler subjects or anything like that So I think that it's working and it's nice to clean up some things here and there and simplify the processes a little bit Yeah, so as we think about it from You know Probably most of the people who watch this show or listen to this show we're available both youtube.com slash podcaster roundtable and They probably have been podcasting and some people are thinking about starting a show and hey, you have clean slate like Daniel, I feel you this feels like A new podcast although this feels so familiar Like even though it's been a long time since we've done this it we're clicking back in which is really cool But for people who haven't established podcasting it's also change Like it could be hard if you get the ball rolling Things are working and if it ain't broke type thing Why fix it right and I don't know Dave school of podcasting couldn't be anymore established Do you is that show? Set like or are you always feel like you know what this year? I want to do something else. I'm gonna change. I'm sure you've changed your cta's. Let's get into that Right. So it's calls to action. I'm sure that's changed and whatever you were thinking you can talk about that instead of cta's but as an example You know school podcasting isn't on autopilot. I mean the content obviously has to change and improve But everything else the website works the logo works Yeah, that the the branding part Uh, I am you know a website is always You know just one tweak away. We're always like, oh, yeah, I need to do that that one thing There's that but I actually it I dawned on me to been about Probably three or four years since I'd done a a poll of my audience to like, hey I've been bringing out this stuff out to the table and putting it on your plate going here Here's some more stuff to eat. I haven't asked you in a long time Is this what you want to eat and I was surprised I have I've gotten some pretty decent feedback on You know and it's always fun because some stuff people are gonna love Some people love the sound effects other people not so much So it's interesting just taking the temperature of your audience to go. Okay. I think this is what you want You know, so that's kind of fun. But the other thing that's tough for me is When you've been doing it a while You end up going. Oh, I know I'll do a show about such and such and then you go. Oh, that was episode 4 27 hold on um, and so I Run into a lot of people that it's not the tech. It's not this it's the imposter syndrome that stops people So I actually have worked on this for probably the better part of Probably a couple years any time I heard a celebrity say Something about imposter syndrome. I would grab the clip and stick it there and I finally had enough I'm like, okay. I'm going to bring this out and make it its own episode So that sometimes gets to be a little challenging instead of just like I'm going to post this episode again I always try to come at it. Like I've got new Stuff on this old, you know, concept or topic or things like that. So that should be a little challenging And then I mean, I like the the idea of the poll like do you guys probably it's kind of like going live in the beginning Hey, you might want to do it just to be established and the fact that you're doing live You've always done live But a poll when you don't have an audience yet, but even for an established podcaster like when do you That is a that is a good one to say, you know what this year We're going to get a better idea of who our audience actually is and I actually brought this up to some of my host At work and I said There are these things there are polls and we can do this right because we we're thinking about this one topic And they were trying to decide I don't know if people want to hear about that and I said well it depends if those people are also You know science writers then we're talking to the right people, but we don't know let's poll them So there's people right now asking you can hear them shouting at the at the youtube What are they talking about? How do I do that? What is it daniel? Do you poll your audience? I have Once before primarily it was I wanted to rebuild aspects of my website. So I was asking my Audience my email audience and I think I might have asked my listening audience as well But I asked them questions about the website like what do you come to the website for? Do you ever visit the website? Do you find what you're looking for certain things like that? Because I was in the process of planning the website redesign And I needed to know that kind of information and I used I know a lot of people talk about survey monkey But survey monkey has a limit. What is it now 100? I think and I expected to get more responses than that. I don't think I did But what I used instead and I have gravity forms So I have the ability that's plug-in for wordpress that lets you build any kind of form you want I have the ability to make my own survey, but I wanted something that could Show me the results in a more visual way than would require the hacking around with gravity forms So I used pole daddy, which is from the company that makes wordpress And it's free and surprisingly very Unlimited I know you can't really measure Unlimited-ness so you can't say very unlimited. It's very uniquely very unlimited. There we go. Gamma nerds will love that And it worked really well. It was easy to set up and the information. I got it from it, especially The empty boxes where I asked people an open question though those Answers were really helpful to just get into their minds and understand a little bit more why Do they think this way you get the most interesting stuff on those? So we use I guess like a survey monkey and and it's been fine Because we ask like, you know, you don't want someone to be careful about how many questions you ask, right? So you want people to complete it ideally. So we try to ask like the best Seven or ten questions, but definitely have that like open ended at the end because we receive some of The best feedback in terms of it's just like either it's just motivating to hear people Talk about who they are and why they listen or they have like a really good idea and you're like, ah Didn't even know right and so that can help a lot Dave. Are you using The lipson has their own poll system lipson has a very it's not They ask all the basic demographics, you know, right? Um, that's the thing people might not even know what to ask So at least I mean even if you don't use the lipson one Is there's like a where would you guys go get a sample of like? What to ask do Daniel? Do you have like a kit or Dave? Do you have a kit that says here's what you should be asking in terms of demographics and stuff to get For advertisers. Yeah. Um, mm-hmm Edison research has a Pole thing Which we call it That you can use as like a scene. Okay, and then I used uh, I used google forms I basically looked at their questions like oh, that's a good one. That's a good one And then I had a couple very specific that I was gonna be some podcast specific questions, right Daniel. Yeah Well, that's what Edison research right out. I know the best. They yeah, they it's literally their business Ask these kinds of questions and good questions to get good results Yeah, because you also then I think it's really important in your setup because I don't know what you guys it's nice to be able to ask the same Survey the same poll For years and years to come and be able to compare them, you know I mean like they can stack up as opposed if you go and change it Now you I don't know if you can If you can really compare the two. I don't know. Maybe maybe it's good to iterate. Maybe it's updating your poll Would you do that? That's a question if you are a podcasters who's been doing a poll And you're like, ah, you know what? I didn't even talk about Spotify. Like if you asked do you listen on Spotify? Like it's not in there Would you add stuff to your poll as your sort of new year's resolution type cleanup? It depends on the goal If I mean stuff like do you listen on Spotify? Well, you can get that information from your stats to see how many people listen on Spotify but Asking your audience that question even though it's somewhat redundant Can help you attribute certain data to a certain demographic Maybe even why right like why do you listen on Spotify? Yeah, so you can see okay Everyone who listens on Spotify tends to think this way about my podcast now it might not necessarily be So siloed like that But that is a benefit to asking some of that and so some of that stuff Yeah, you can update slightly as the years go on maybe just adding an option here or there But for me when I think of Surveying my audience it's because there's something very specific that I want to know from them Because I'm thinking of changing something or I'm thinking about something and so I want to know I want to provide a way that they can provide responses to me It's actually customers of my podcast reviews that I've surveyed a lot more than the audience of my podcast because The podcast is is much easier and dynamic Whereas the product I need to make sure that it's serving the needs of the customers so that they'll keep paying for it Yeah, I just put the link but it's a long link and I was actually trying to copy it Dave So I could put it in the show notes, but if you guys are watching this Um I will put the link to the Edison research in the show notes or if you're listening in the app you should be able to Swipe some way and get the link. Um, I will try to remember to include that even though I can't now Like how do I get that right now and put it in my if I put it in the nose right now? We're good. I wish you can't copy and paste from the The comment section here on stream yard. Oh, by the way, you know what? Okay. I don't want to interrupt that but Um, let's let's continue on that for a second. Uh, just because of the whole idea that thanks, Dave I see it pop up here in a in another chat and um The idea of you know, some people might want to get a sponsor I like I've been I've been doing this for a couple years now My stats tell me I've got you know, thousand people listen to every episode But a survey could be good for sponsors. They're gonna want that right? I don't know Dave is a serve Is a sponsor gonna I mean it certainly doesn't hurt to have that information, right? Yeah, that's really where the whole demographic How much school have you had do you have children right age? Rank serial number or whatever it is. That's the stuff for the sponsor stuff I really I mean, I kind of want to know how old you are because that way I need to know Do I need to mix in some more billy eilish and in pitfall references or are we good with the fonsi and walton's references, you know, uh kind of thing Um, so that kind of stuff I kind of care about but sponsors really want to know Especially, you know, are they are they well educated and do they have money kind of things? I for me, I was asking really a lot about the length and the content is really what I was looking for my So much like daniel was saying it kind of depends on what you're you're trying to do and what you're looking for so Yeah, that is a nice thing about not having to worry about sponsors If you don't have sponsors if you monetize in a different way or you don't monetize at all Is then you can ask only the questions that you really want to know And not ask the questions that you don't want to know or don't need to know like I I don't care I mean I care. I don't need to know how much money my audience makes. I care that they make money I care about them, but I don't need to know that they can keep that as private as they want to Knowing their ages that's kind of helpful. But what how is that going to impact my content decisions? I don't make as many pop culture references as Dave makes Not nearly as many So that's not something that really affects me what age they are But maybe if I knew something like how many of them are on windows versus mac os since I now do everything on mac os And I'm on ios for my mobile platform I could know that oh wow 90 I'm making this up. I could see that maybe 90 percent of my audience is on android and windows I need to make sure that whenever I mention something on mac that I definitely mention it on How to do that thing on windows as well so that I'm appealing to that broader portion of my audience that kind of stuff Is helpful and can then influence content Yeah, I mean there are so many benefits to not having an advertiser It's nice not to have a third party to worry about right like you and the audience really nice if you can You can spin it. I would say you know if you are looking for revenue Like try to get that Other ways but if you know advertising works for you and it's not a thing where it's like Oh, I haven't been doing a survey and now a sponsor is coming along and wants to know You can always you can go get that now like you're like, oh, I want to know what the I want to know about the audience now the advertiser wants to know about the audience now So you're like, okay Let me run a poll for because if you're looking at advertisers I mean if they're serious about you you're probably you know outside of like your own curated relationship If it's like more of a third party type thing or through a network They're probably You probably have a decent amount of listeners, right? And so you could go out and be like hey for the next four weeks We want to pull who's listening and get this or you can get it So like I wouldn't freak out if you're like, oh, I haven't been collecting this for years I'm not going to get an advertiser. So And if if you wanted to if you had like zero information You could always I think Edison research has stuff on like right here's what the typical podcast audience looks like So if they you know, if you can kind of go well, here's who's listening to podcasts And you're not lying you're not saying here's who's listening to my podcast You're like here's who's listening to all podcasts and right my awesome stats, right? Yeah, you mean you've got you probably got to that point You could even aggregate and slightly average Some of the data that you get from apple podcasts spotify and google podcasts I would not rely only on spotify alone because that seems to be At least still for now a particular demographic of people listen to podcasts on spotify So don't trust only one source of data, but maybe kind of average it out And then you could kind of see this is my general demographic from these platforms that provide such Yeah, I mean it's like You know, if you know statistics, you can take an average and you know apple podcast It's one of those things where also where's your audience which is good to know like where's the majority of your audience We always say, you know, you can get about 70% of that on apple podcast And you can go into those stats and have a decent idea that you know You get x a number of downloads and they listen to this much of the episode or you know, whatever it is. So Definitely something to do. We should I've never done. I've had Not a tremendous use for a survey Although I would also say like we get to talk to our audience. We bring them on the show It literally shows up on the show and they tell us why they're there and it's sort of Self-filtering, but you know, we do a live stream So you can do your impromptu survey by asking your questions in the live stream Dave you probably do that you do a lot of live streaming or or have done a lot of live streaming So you get a lot of information if you actually talk to your audience Where they're listening, of course, that is a very specific type of audience, right? Those are the probably the power audience that are going to come to a live stream But it's all information. It's all good information to have Yeah, I've often had an idea Come through a chat room We'll discuss it live and then I'll take that idea put it back in the oven And bring it out on the school of podcasting after I've kind of done some research and Maybe had a little more organized Yeah, but I was gonna I had a thought about stream yard as you can see we're on stream yard because we've got the Skype Mallard headphone duck David David's favorite. It's Dave's Dave's duck audio listeners can see that That's right. They can't see that there's all the more reason to to check us out the link to the youtube video will be in the description But cool updates here at stream yard I remember when we started this show like I felt like every Round I was telling you like what the updates were because back then google hangouts was new Right, that's what we were using and then I was like what part of it was like Let's learn this tool together and then we went to stream yard after Well, no, we we went to what was the other one in the middle. It was really good that went away google No, uh The chat the the Come on. Daniel. What was the middle? Well, we used blab for a little while blab. That's it. Sorry. I didn't hear blab 100% Say and we did so we did a little blab and so and then we did stream yard And I remember always being like oh you can do this now with stream yard anyways the updates here very cool Individual you have to you have to pay. I don't get this because I'm doing the free version But if you pay because it's even on the basic version, which I don't want to say this too loud stream yard is listening But it used to be if you wanted the separate channels Was that what it was you had to go like the full version But now you get separate channels on the basic premium version anyways I've been using it at work a lot and it's been Perfect so far. I hesitate to say that but this is not a thing tech wise that is ever perfect Things fall out of sync, but you know, they are the on the shoulders of giants type thing You know a lot of companies have figured out this browser based recording Uh things don't fall out of sync. Anyways, it's been really cool If you're not on stream yard or you're thinking about doing live streaming Definitely not an advertisement speaking of advertisers It's just been a cool update that I was very excited about and has been working pretty well Well, and it's it's not here yet, but they have A kind of a webinar feature now where you can embed Streamyard in your website But the live chat isn't there yet. I'm like, I got to have the The live chat but when that comes to where I can embed the whole show into a website Because I used to love the fact that I would embed it into my WordPress site and I had my sidebar So all my calls to action were on the the side of the webinar You're saying embedding a video that's streaming directly from stream yard because you can already embed the youtube live right Are you talking about stream yard? I am talking about stream yard, but they have some sort of when they announced it They made it sound like you could do youtube with the chat thing on your own website I do that now. I've always done it. We're doing it now, but it is a it is a Sort of a hack. I'm just doing it with code that doesn't really exist publicly that people don't talk about it But it does work. It's on my website now. I'm gonna say I'm see I'm looking at it now I'm seeing us. We're we're frozen. It's a little it's also a little probably a little Yeah bubblegum and tape because yeah, I do have to update the code and stuff like that But they're probably giving you a much more streamline process Yeah, so the other advantage of that is if you ever want to do something where you have people register For a webinar kind of thing they're doing that as well But I was I was all excited because I didn't want to do the whole code thing I just want to copy and paste and instant webinar kind of thing Um, and then I saw where it was like live chat coming soon. I was like, oh almost We all we always we've all used a lot of different tools over time and the reason why I love why Stay here is because it seems to handle Even the porous connections the best I've had others that just don't deal like even good connections don't seem to hold very well If I if I literally if I'm producing an episode on stream yard on my desktop like I am now and I have to run and go onto my phone Works really well. I've made like I'm a producer on these other shows behind the scenes switching and bringing in all the stuff Just going in on safari like on my iphone flawless really cool ui anyways again not an advertisement but Live streaming might be something you think. Oh, you know what? It's the new year We're gonna add live streaming right and so this is one good option that I would check out You can do it for free to check it out. Um, that's what we're doing here So it's not very limited. You just don't get some of the cooler stuff But we we do perfectly good with with the free version and um You know If you're thinking about that, you know, maybe hopefully you you've been doing it for a while because live streaming again I always try to tell people this is something you sort of I don't know that I would add it in the beginning Right if you're if you just make the podcast right but they but I don't know you guys is that something Do you think you should be there if you're going to be live if you're thinking about being live and you're starting a podcast Would you just go ahead and do it from the beginning or you could you overwhelm yourself? Yeah, number two. I think that's going to be overwhelming lives a whole different Kind of skill. I know at the beginning. I was horrible because I'd be in the middle of oh, look at this the thing I mean I was all over the place So I kind of have to train myself to I'm making a point now. Here's my point and now my point is done Okay, now I can look at the chat so and so said this so and so said that okay Here's a chat that I want to kind of riff on let's put that on the screen And now I quit looking at that I was just all over the place and then you have to be ready to hang up on people Because in some cases I had a guy last week that kind of got a little nuts on talking about body parts and such Um, but also there are some people that you'll hear this a lot on sports radio Will to be like I think we need to fire the coach man. That guy's a hack. He's not doing it and they're like, all right great He is, you know, we're thinking about it. Whatever. What else you got steve I think the coach is a hack man. He's awful and at that point, you know, okay That's all really steve wanted to say and it's time to let him go. Thanks for the call steve And then you move on so it's if you're doing any like I have when I use stream yard I take the link for people to join and I I make a easy remember link It's just ask the podcast coach.com slash join. So if you want to jump into the video you can and so I have to be ready to politely realize, okay, this person has said all they need to say Let's transition. Thanks so much for coming on, you know, what's your website and, you know, off they go to the next topic kind of thing So it's I could see it being a little overwhelming. Uh, what do you think, Daniel? Yeah, and even on the flip side of like Watching the chat room too much. I've seen live streamers where they don't watch the chat room at all So someone might leave a comment in the chat that says, oh, yes, I totally agree with you They don't read that comment until an hour later when they're saying, hey, I think we should kill all puppies in kittens What do you guys think? Oh, yeah, and Dave agrees with that. That's okay. Thanks, steve And it's completely messed up the content But I see live streaming now There are some tools that can make it nice to kind of grow an audience with live streaming like some of the audio Focus tools clubhouse twitter spaces Wisdom some of that stuff, but really I see live streaming as a way to engage your community So if you don't have much of a community yet Then there's not all that much purpose to do the live stream I remember being involved with a group recently that I was all excited about I thought very prominent group and I was shocked when I saw How few people came to the live events I could count how many people came to the live events on one finger And they had no audience and them yeah and so the The quality of the live stream kind of suffered from that because they would say things like Hey, if any of you watching live have any questions or any comments leave them in the chat And it's like, hey, you know, you're talking to one person out there It just sounds weird to say that and imagine being that one person who Realizes this kind of seems fake because you you see I'm the only one here, right? And you're talking as if you've got this huge audience. What else might you be? kind of I think I'm not exaggerating in other places But it's it can be a fun way to engage your audience and let them engage with each other And that's one of the reasons why I really like And really only promote any kind of live streaming service that has a chat room with it Or a way that your audience can engage with each other That's why I don't like about some of these audio focused systems is that they're really focused on Real-time engagement between the host and the guest Beautiful in certain contexts and with certain talents But it makes it hard to just quickly interject something from your audience And it makes it hard or impossible for your audience to get to know each other And it's comment on each other's things. This is one of the things I like about Dave show Ask the podcast coach on Saturday mornings at 10 30 eastern over ask the podcast coach.com slash live I didn't want to give him a chance to jump in and give his call to action The chat room is lots of fun over there Sometimes we're going off and having our own conversations Sometimes we're talking about what's going on in the show and then every now and then a comment is brought in I did that with my tv after show podcast too is we would be Talking about a certain thing about the show and I would be keeping an eye on the chat room As it's going by as we're talking about something I'd see someone would make an interesting comment So then I'd look for a place to bring that into the conversation Whereas if I did the thing of they could call in they could join the call There'd be the whole thing of you know, oh, thanks for letting me on to the call. How are you doing? Oh, I'm doing fine. It's great to talk with you blah blah blah blah Five minutes later. They finally make their statement Is my uh pet peeve with twitter spaces are just terrible like can we get a little organization, but you're also You're not going to be rude and people want to actually say So happy to be here so great to talk to you for the first time, but it's just so much extra That the listener generally doesn't need so and there's a place for that I think for a podcast That's probably not the place and I'm like podcast. I mean something you're listening to probably listening to later And not participating in live But if you're there when it's live that kind of stuff can be great Yeah, we're gonna engage the audience a little bit here in a second, but dave go ahead Well, I've just I've learned to say hey, thanks so much for coming on the show What's your question because inevitably the like they always feel they have to and I I get it But they'll give me a ton of background right and I'm like I don't really need and so if you listen to the video and then go listen to the audio You'll hear me say hey, thanks for coming on. What's your question and presto? There's their question because the whole like well I'm using this microphone and blah blah blah and I went to school in indiana. We don't care You could just change the name of your show. Maybe that is your 2023 Improvement the no background ask your question get to the point and leave show About podcasting. Yeah, I think you got a new name. There's an acronym in there I love that one of the popular talk show hosts. I forget which one it was but He takes call ins and someone called in and started off their Call saying how are you? And the host said, oh, I'm doing great. Thanks for asking next caller. Yeah next guy asked your question And so there there's also different ways to live stream, right? We're doing this and we'll bring in questions sometimes from the chat, but it's not really I've always done this because again google hangouts Made it easy to do video while we recorded our podcast and then basically have a youtube video, right? So this is an easy way for us to also be on youtube because when I press stop I am done as far as video goes in my case, right? I'm actually going to do a little editing to this one. Um, but just chopping off the ends so That's another way like even an easy way to get into live streaming or an easy way to get onto youtube Whether you think you should do that or not. It's a whole other question, but Um, there are different ways that you don't have to take a live caller Um, maybe you answer your questions after The the show right you may if you can helps to have a co-host Uh, perhaps it helps to have someone who can moderate a chat room They can bring in those questions afterwards if they if they list the the good ones Or maybe you're doing that because you're having a a co-host who was handling the the bulk of the question You're grabbing some other content in the meantime So there's lots of different ways to enter in enter into it, but asking questions about I was talking about stream yard. So Mike asked is there any audio and video Oh, is the audio and video good quality with stream yard multitrack and yes, it's great. It's it's It's you get a wave file out In the odd in the video. I don't do separate track video Um, we just used a video that's produced live But I'm sure it looks mostly like what you put into it. Um, probably a little compression But it's going to look pretty good. I think but the audio is fantastic Because it's all recorded right there in every person's browser and you download that wave file and I don't know what the specs are on that, but it's great for podcast and some people are not happy right now But they want specs are you using that when you publish this episode? Are you going to use the split track from stream? No, so we are doing the street We're on the free stream yard. So I'm not doing I don't have multitrack Um, we didn't have last time I did a round table that didn't even exist. Um, I am doing uh, my own sort of Uh, roadcaster You guys record on one track. I'm on one track and that's what you're always getting from the round table and It sounds fantastic People wouldn't even know it wasn't your guys's audio and That is doable only because we have a bunch of podcasters and they know how to do audio, right? Like normal Uh podcast you could you could run into a lot of issues with trying to do a combined Track, but um, no and that makes it really easy for us to get out an episode Yeah, and I'm not sure if they're doing For lack of a better phrase the squad cast thing where they record locally and upload it Or if it's just a separate track Of what came across No, it is it it's recorded in browser. It's browser based recording right this whole that's a squad cast thing or river cast Or sorry riverside too many cast He also asks better or equal to riverside. And so I also use at work a premium riverside account But for very specific thing and honestly if stream yard starts doing this the riverside might be in trouble because riverside Doesn't do the live streaming in my experience as well as stream yard does no one does honestly But I use riverside very specifically to get the highest resolution Uh video recording so if I wanted to record someone Back in the day is a skype If you try to record someone's video you get 720 at best and a lot of platforms now We're getting 1080 you can get 1080 out of stream yard if you're upgraded Um, but you can get up to 4k. So if I'm if I have people with a really nice camera Or anything the video that comes out of that riverside recording is fantastic It's like the person recorded themselves It allows me as a producer to get the best quality video back to me And that's why I still use riverside for that very specific use case Yeah another feature that this has just turned into a A stream yard commercial, but I have uh my co-host setup as one of the team members because I have the the paid version And what he does is he can put a little star next to comments And that there's actually a tab behind the scenes that when I'm like, okay Let's see what do we have for questions. I can see he's kind of hand selected some from the chat room And I know there's another feature I don't know if it's a youtube feature or a stream yard feature that you can do polls and giveaways That I always go. Oh, yeah, I forget that's there Uh, because I know I remember one time I gave away my book and I was like I need to do more of that because it was fun and I believe there was even confetti involved. So I mean There's confetti. You can't who can be confetti. So Why and why did why didn't Why is youtube dropped the balls so much like youtube just buy stream yard I don't want you to do that stream yard is doing fine on their own and then youtube will just kill it Um, but man because some of the features, you know If guys have ever done like the um donations on youtube and that kind of stuff some of those features Seamless works so well and it's really cool. Um, but you know, we still we're still in the universe the competition is good But we there are so many options like which one are we going to use This one works better for this and that one oftentimes for me. It's a combination of of services Yeah, now it's community tools Everybody and it's weird because I've known a few people that have tried to move their community away from facebook And they end up moving back and I'm like, hmm So because it used to be there was like mighty networks and now there's circle.so I just bought a lifetime thing to heartbeat dot whatever such and such and man Um, there was a coach vox. I think it's this ace This is the problem. They will they will try out all these for you But they'll all be dead in like six months and you know, that's why you're back on facebook We need some need some real platforms to come up with good tools At least all of these new tools have all of their vowels Yes, yes, um Because now we've got many more domains. It's you know, whatever, um, at web 4.0 Voicecast dot info dot pizza dot coffee whatever it is kind of so we did do A cta daniel mentioned it Let's get into a little bit about If you're an established podcast if you're a new podcast, you're gonna win because you're gonna be able to get like the best Like information that's already been tried a million times Um, no cta's in this podcast up front I do do cta's at the end But it's probably too late because we've already signaled verbally that we're on our way out and people checked out So daniel, this was your list and I know you did an episode on this speaking of cta's the The audacity to podcast calm. I hope that's still right But check out. He did a whole episode on this. What did you want to say about cta's and like a refresh to your podcast? Well, we ask so much from our audience and so often overwhelm them with all of our calls to action or cta's And it's stuff like hey rate and review this podcast. Make sure you're subscribed Donate through here and here and here and here and then follow us on twitter on facebook on plurk on here on here And all of these places. It's just so much that It's just so much You're asking from your audience and some people ask this all up front too And you just have to skip skip skip skip skip. Okay. I'm finally in the content And I would really encourage podcasters whatever stage you're in I know there's a lot that you want your audience to do and there's a lot your audience could do for you But they're not going to do it if you ask them to do all of it So really try to I encourage you to try to practice Simplifying it cutting it down focusing on what is most important for your audience to do right now for this particular episode or this particular time and maybe even include that as part of your content instead of Dumping it all at the end where people know. Oh, yeah, there's the background music. Okay There's nothing else at the end of this episode except cta's So i'm just going to skip and get 30 more seconds of whatever the next podcast is i'm going to listen to I just feel like we overwhelm the audience so much And some of the stuff we don't really need from our audience It's almost certainly going to come up in context kind of what you're saying because I already gave a shout out for the youtube channel Just because I said oh if you want to see us like you'll eventually get those sort of Triggers in your head because I'm like I'm talking about video and and our youtube I'm like oh check out the youtube channel right just naturally right and so but that's not that doesn't guarantee I'm going to give you that cta right and you're mentioning youtube is I see some good examples also bad examples But on youtube, you know, there's the I hate hearing it so much, but it's the you know like Subscribe if you don't say it. They won't do it. It's just the truth. It's just the truth So what do you do about that right? Yeah? Well, what's nice though is the good youtubers have learned don't put that Don't put that call to action at the beginning don't put it at the end Put it somewhat near the beginning but after you've already shared some content So I see these videos where they have you know the top five things They'll share one or two and then they give that call to action and it's very brief listicle is subscriber Well, I better not be the fourth item in your list is oh, this the most awesome ways to make your year better is Number four subscribe. I mean that I've seen I've seen a whole trend of this in the last year where it's like you're like, uh-huh Okay, yeah, you're cool. If you you know what I mean as just Just away you can youtube is a great sandbox and to watch people test things out Because what works you'll start seeing everywhere And you'll get different ideas because everyone's trying to separate themselves They're trying to make something work. So I get a lot of even cta's. I see them change When they don't change like subscribe ring the bell all that stuff But I also see youtubers trying to do that differently So I would actually say just because you see it everywhere. It doesn't mean it works. No, but you that's true 100 it just means someone's copying someone else. Yeah, but yeah Well, and you can make your calls to action easier to remember so instead of Follow me on twitter. I'm at such and such and on facebook I'm such and such and on this you can just say follow me at my website dot com slash follow And then have your instagram and twitter and tick tock and face chat and what was it plurk? Was that a real thing? It was it's gone now. I think it's gone. Dave you didn't it was here and it's gone. You had to have tried it I missed the plurk thing. Yeah, you didn't miss it. You just try so much. You don't remember plurk Plurk was huge. That's something you can do to Instead of giving them five calls to action go if you'd like to connect with me go to my website dot com slash connect And there's your twitter. There's your email. There's your phone number. You're you know, Which is way better Besides all of that because I had a show once we're at the not once recently The recent change we made was you know what with twitter was going through all of its stuff And it's like twitter might not be here, right? Am I going to give you now mastodon all this stuff you're baking in is time sensitive Or it could be gone, right? It like you're giving your twitter every single time and now twitter doesn't exist What a wasted call to action. So Dave saying, you know, use your own branded url podcast friend table dot com slash connect and I can always switch up. What is there? I don't know I that feels also like kind of an old person thing because like a young person is going to be Like just can you just tell me what you are on the gram like and gram is old too So tick tock whatever I am old. Um, yeah Well, Daniel just did an episode on this About why you should use and it reinforces your brand But when I uh when patreon first came on there was a thing from google called Jaywalk that was very patreon before patreon And so I jumped on pay or jwalk and then they got bought by google and shut down and I was like, oh I almost had like ask the podcast coach dot com slash jwalk And so that's when I made it ask the podcast coach dot com slash awesome Because you're an awesome supporter and that way it can put a patreon. It can point at heart space chat book whatever comes in the future I can update that url and it's still re it's still my brand and It's updateable. I think there is a place for some specificity when The platform seems to be stable enough. So if you tell people something like join our facebook community or Maybe more specifically like follow me on twitter at the daniel j lewis That's something that is going to be around for much longer And you're less likely to change it and even if even if I stopped using twitter I could still make my last tweet say something like hey, I've stopped using twitter Follow me over here instead But with the things like the tools you might use that your audience really doesn't need to know the brand of the tool you use You know if I come to you and say hey everybody I'm so glad to be talking to you through my electro voice re 320 today I mean the podcaster is okay. Let me like on your show It's really effective. It's a lot of re 320s Yeah, but for for any other show other than a podcast for podcasters for any other show They don't care. They don't even know what you just said. Was it even english? So like patreon stuff or jwalk or some of that stuff The brands of the tools you use don't matter to the audience But if you tell people like this is my instagram or this is my tik tok They most likely are not going to want to visit a url But they're going to want to just open up their app and search for you that way Which is yeah, it's somewhat of a broken workflow and depends on certain things but And i'm not saying then to just go back to listing all of your social profiles, especially if they have different names But it's kind of be specific about this is the one you're going to promote this episode Or something like that where you're strategic about it. Yeah, I mean for us with the whole twitter thing What I also realized After years of promoting either facebook or twitter is that we weren't really getting we'd say hey Let us know what you think about this episode tweet us at you know, whatever at whatever And i'm like, you know, we're not actually getting those tweets So, you know, we switched to i think dave's, you know share it with someone who actually Would actually like this episode right? Do you know someone who's also works in in this science? You know the same sciences you do because that's the audience right maybe like a specific type of scientist or whatever your show's about Share it with them and sometimes people are like, oh, yeah, you know I'd I'd rather be putting that into the ether and and having it do maybe one or two times I'd rather someone else just turn someone else onto the podcast so Sometimes it's just an evolution of what you're seeing through stuff. You're already doing it's like are we actually getting any tweets We've been really promoting this to talk to us on twitter And we're not getting anything so take a look at what you're currently doing Is it working right and then maybe just try something else. I tried for like a month and a half I don't know I look at it now and go. What was I thinking? Uh, but I found this service that you could text a word to a number And it would auto reply and I was like, oh, you know what? I'm gonna have people text 5 6 whatever with sop to 5 6 9 5 6 And it would send them a link like hey Um, if you're on an android click here to to subscribe if you're click here Whatever was and it was like well, they're on their phone. They're on their phone Why not just tell them to go to your easy to remember website? And so I was like, oh, yeah, it's I could either have them type in the website Or try to remember what was that number again 6 9 5 and what am I typing? I was like, that's the dumbest thing but I tried it and it was like I got I had one person that was like Sent me an email like oh, that's kind of cool And it it somewhat works if you're speaking Because you can put a qr code up there Or you could say I've seen somebody I was at a room once And it was fairly full and they said oh just text like in my case He'd be like sop to 5 4 7 6 blah And I watched a bunch of people pull out their phone and go because they had the number right in front of them That they did it but if i'm listening to the car i'm on the treadmill I'm like, yeah, that that was an experiment that went about a month and a half I got one person and went yeah, that's this is not the arena for that call to action Yeah, and do not put a qr code in your podcast show notes So just open up your phone and scan the qr code in the podcast app Get a mirror I love that word two mirrors three mirrors The other thing about calls to action is we all get weird when we start promoting ourselves So we either talk really fast because we don't like you know kind of like the it's like no Slowly concisely confident people breathe right over it because they've said it every episode They're just like YouTube.com possible written table you like What did he was that the name of the show like where am I going? Yeah, you can really be deliberate. I have to tell people Anytime I ask for somebody's website I always have to say be sure to slowly say your website because I would I'd have the audio and I'd have to slow it way down And I'm like I can't understand what they're saying because they just said oh, yeah my website is That calm and I was like I can't spell that. What was that again? So yeah slowly specifically confidently do your call to action Sort of familiar to that and to this part of the conversation is like Social sharing and link sharing and where you're promoting and how you're promoting. I had someone recently in an instagram story Hey, say hey, I started a podcast You know, should I link to Spotify or do I post like to apple or you know, what link do I share like here? And I got into the DM and I was like, you know, really you should probably share your website and then you know Let people go there because it's your brand and then like everything they can jump off from They shared the Spotify because they were younger and it just like and it opened Spotify Like it just made more sense to them and to their audience And and at the same time I got it because I saw the link and I was like, yeah, probably this is better For the moment and you know and and they got People to listen to the the podcast right then when they click that Spotify link, right? Because then maybe it opens up natively in your social App and it's playing right and maybe that's all you really need is something to like try the podcast I'm not even trying to get you to subscribe really I just want you to listen And maybe hook you and then you can go to other stuff. So I don't know what do you guys think about that Is there any refresh to be done there in terms of how you share your podcast? Is that automated? Is it manual? Where do you share it to? How do you share it with with the links? Like What do you think I I use Daniel's plug-in So I just have big giant buttons at the top for the what I consider the top four which are apples Spotify Google but that's on your website, right? That's on my website So I reinforce my website I go to oh if you want to go to school of podcasting.com slash follow And that's actually in that case. That's not Daniel's plug-in That's Daniel's link from my podcast reviews Which again, we'll look at the phone and go. Oh, he's on an android here Let's give him this kind of stuff So because I'm always about giving the listener The choice because I know I you know, I used to live and breathe and die from overcast So if there was an overcast link, I was like, oh cool Boom one click and I'm in and I don't have to copy and paste or anything like that But I know a lot of people James Cridland. Let me know once the like I think it's 75 or 70 percent of europe is on an android phone And people used to only share apple stuff and I was like man And apple has since fixed that it used to be if you didn't have any apple thing on your android device You're kind of like, well, you're out of luck and at least now it'll play But I like to give my yeah, yeah through a browser So I like to kind of like here's the top four if you need more than that I think if you're in if you're in instagram like on stories You can now a everyone can link in story like that's finally a thing you can put a sticker or whatever they call it um There's some advantage to being able to click that have it come up in the browser and not be your website Then then I have to go find the player or maybe the players on the website And that doesn't work so well when you get this pretty ui that like Opens up right in The app or something and lets you I don't know I don't know or something to it But the tough thing is Technologically You can only get so far with even smart links like the the whole thing that I do with follow the podcast Dot com which is a feature of my podcast reviews. That's what Dave was referring to There I can detect The type of device in the browser visiting the page so I can hide all apple only options When an android device visits the page and I can show only android specific options there and vice versa and with With whatever platform or change the name of something like if you visit the page on windows You are going to see that it says itunes because it's still itunes on windows Even though it's apple podcasts on mac os and and ios But you can't technologically make a page Without some kind of cookies and cookies are bad now You can't make a page that shows only the link That the pot that the audience actually uses so like I can't make it So if you visit the audacity to podcast dot com slash follow You will see only an overcast button if you listen to overcast and that's where I think that the The more experienced podcast listener is getting more comfortable and and for they've been this way actually for many years I think that when they hear of a podcast if they're already very familiar with listening to podcasts when they hear of a podcast they're interested in They most likely open up their favorite podcast app and go straight to that podcast and probably jump straight to pressing that subscribe or follow button And then they decide later if they want to keep it around. That's what I've seen many podcast experienced people do especially podcasters So I think that whole thing of worrying about giving a specific call to action That includes whatever app or device they have, you know, listing the 50 different apps that you're in I don't think you have to worry about that because the website option is there for people who aren't as familiar aren't already going to open their podcast app to your podcast But podcasting 2.0 is also working on some features We're calling fast follow and smother things to try and make this better within the podcast app But again, that's only if you tap on a link. It's not if you visit a url or if you see a url somewhere Liberty dude ask is it not an assumption a podcaster has a website which is also It's it's an interesting question. You're like No, I would say it it's not. I mean obviously it matters who you are, right? But I think there are plenty of big Podcasts that probably don't even bother with the website, right? It's the podcast and they distribute to a lot of people Or it might be like the website that is on their They're sort of platform, right? You could be on a big platform like the ringer or something I don't I'm gonna say I've seen people where you go to their website and it's some big network And they're one of 12 shows and you're like, wait, where's the thing? And then I'm trying to find a link to subscribe and you're like, uh, hold on so But I mean, you know Do you need a website if you're a podcaster? I would say Obviously, I think so. I think it's important. I think it does a lot of things Is it the thing that's going to break your podcast? Not having a website? No, could you build a massively successful podcast with a website? Absolutely um And if you're starting and your website is the thing that's not letting you start Don't worry about the website. All right. My favorite. I don't know what it's called anymore pod pages or something Like there's there's pod page. There's pod cast page Yeah, there's a couple now that are what the one that was run by, um It's a brendon brendon. That's pod page If I love that I would probably just use that it makes it super simple Like I said, if you're starting and you're having a problem there are now Third-party options which and you can add your own URL to that so it's not, you know locked into a third-party option That that have like all the things that you that we've had to figure out over the years You're like, do I have a subscribe button? Which ones? How do you contact me all this time? They they figured it out pretty well We're wearing a pretty cool time where that stuff is It is optimized for a podcast specific. We've always tweaked Blogger pages. I mean not blogger specific, but you know pages made for blogs or for something other than a podcast My my favorite is wix Which has lots of options, but they have a quote podcast feature And all you do is you put in your feed and it puts all your episodes there Then this is yet again where another company that hops on podcasting because they want some of that sweet sweet podcast money And they import all your files onto their server So anybody that listens on your website does not count in your media host And I was like you got to be kidding me. What are you doing that for? Why would you even do that? Like Because they don't understand podcasting. It's a class to them. Yeah. Yeah Someone run in wait, you know, you're spending a lot of money. You don't need to spin If you move your show to kajabi They change we're gonna get our geek on they change your GUID Which is basically the social security number of every episode Which doesn't hurt it when you move to kajabi But when you go there and go, oh, these guys are so much better at marketing than they are podcasting and you go to move back You've got a real headache on your hands because I think you mean the URL the file name The no the the actual GUID Because if you change the GUID when you move to kajabi that messes up your audience It messes. Well, yeah, it's it's it's just a mess, but yeah, I can Look look at a kajabi feed And you'll see where the GUID instead of being a bunch of numbers and stuff is like kajabi 2757 and i'm like i'm pretty sure that was not the GUID when they came from captivate So you're just like, what are you doing over there? So they do have 301 redirects now So they're they're getting there, you know, but some of these companies that jump into podcasting because it's the new hot thing And i'm like, mm. Yeah, I kind of missed it a little bit What are some other things you guys think about? Uh, is there anything in the with the new year coming that you're like now's the time I'm gonna do this Here's the thing that I like and and scares the bejesus out of me is the whole AI thing right because it's like Like when you have something that's it's you know, it's like, I don't know a superpower, right? Like superman could be a real like not nice guy if you wanted to and rule the world, but he's out for good and The older I get the more I go. Oh, this could be great for humanity I go Yeah, but it's not because somebody's gonna take it and I actually saw there was a YouTube video about a guy it's like make a course in five days And he said he was talking about chat gpt a bg whatever it is and He said I typed in my subject and he goes and it literally wrote the course for me And I was like and they were saying it like look you don't have to work You just type a few things into you know this and copy and paste it and there's your course and you sell it and money falls from heaven And I was like, uh, so I Like the worst case scenario is somebody's gonna type in a subject And they're gonna spit out a script and then they go because I don't about you every time I go to facebook now There's something Something voice and it's getting realistic that the the put in a text and have it come out in a speech And I was like so pretty sure we're just gonna have podcasts that are generated by robots read by robots And listen to by robots and listen to yes Well, actually there will be listened to by robots because of that one service now That's listening to your podcast to make sure you're brand safe And then you'll get a score. So I'm on one hand like cap show I loved because Deidre when I talked to her she's like look this isn't like it's it's ai generated Blog posts and show notes and text. She's like it'll get you about 85 percent there So she's like straight up like this is not gonna do it Like you still got to throw that human point in there somewhere I mean it will though within six months It will get you all the way there and then but I mean that you're talking about something I don't know what this is. So you're talking about something that listens to your show and then writes the show notes for you Yes, there's I need that there's cap show. That's cap show is pretty slick I was I think if it's okay if you if you if you go through it yourself should at least read it I hope people are at least reading what the bot spit out Yeah, well, I and then I had one of my shows transcribed through otter And then went to chat. What is it a gbt? No, I think it's chat adhd GPT Yeah, and I said write a Podcast episode summary based on this and paste it in my transcript and it then rewrote it and I was like Okay, that's kind of spooky because it wasn't bad now There were some things in there again You got to read it because I was like I did not say that I can't wait to use it for a youtube video Especially you're talking to people here who have established internet presences where like literally years of stuff So you could say I am going to do this my next like camera review I'm going to say write me a camera A review of the sony whatever In the style of ray ortega And I'm going to and then I'm like going to be like wow But honestly, I am very curious what it comes up with because there's no reason why I wouldn't use it If I went through it myself and went yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. I'm going to say that and then I'm going to add I'm like, well, I also have this to say I'm very curious from like sort of an outline perspective What it'll spit out and and may help me think through the review. Maybe It might actually do a better review than me. So that might be helpful Yeah, I I love that if you if you have a problem with a blank page It can kind of get you going writers block. So like I said, there's some there's parts of this. I'm like, that's pretty cool I just know That if you use it for good, right, it could be really helpful But I can also see where other people are like and they're gonna do that and they'll make a few dollars But then quickly you realize why am I following this person? It's just It's the same stuff that you're going to start seeing the same course Spit out like over and over and we all know that people come and then they pretty much stay because of who you are, right? like They could take a podcasting course from Dave or Daniel or me, but it's like I like the way Dave says it, right? There's a radio station here at night and probably after seven o'clock Siri becomes the DJ and it's literally like Eddie money two tickets to paradise and then they'll play another song, you know Whatever def leopard pour some sugar on me and then they'll play 10 minutes ads There's no person out at that station at all so that's the one thing where you have to be yourself and let your freak flag fly because you know A robot trying to emulate your freakiness is probably not going to get it exactly right at least for For now Daniel, I'm dying to hear what your thoughts are on AI Yeah, so I've I've probably been using AI the most and the longest of the three of us here and I I don't say this to brag or out of arrogance or anything like that, but I I understand I'm not an AI expert But I do understand what the AI is designed for what it's doing And I see a lot of misunderstandings about what the AI is and what it's doing And it's some of that idea of well for one thing It's it's being abused and misused by a lot of people like there will be the non experts Who will go to AI? Whatever AI system that is and they'll say make a course about how to podcast And they'll then sell that course and it's completely AI generated There the person who did that is not an expert in podcasting So they don't really know if the content is all that good. They have not fact checked it They're not putting in their own voice their own experience AI is really an assistant It's not an employee And I see so many people trying to look at and treat AI as if it's an employee as if it knows everything like I hear people This this is a good example. I don't mean to This is not throwing him under the bus But this is just a specific example Adam Curry has I ridiculed AI because he's gone to AI and he's asked it. What is podcasting 2.0 and it gives him some Answer that's not at all correct That's because AI doesn't know or at least right now It doesn't know what podcasting 2.0 is even some of the AI very advanced AI models I've worked with have only skimmed I think they said 70 percent of the internet So there's still a lot of knowledge that it doesn't know yet You can assume things like Wikipedia and the most popular websites it's skimmed through But even like they were showing at that time a couple years ago They were saying you ask AI about COVID-19 and it doesn't know anything about it But if you feed it information like you say, this is what COVID-19 is this is certain information about it now write me a Very dire warning or write me a comedy drama based on COVID-19 or something like that Now it has material to work with because the AI system A way I like to describe it is it's basically like saying. Oh, I see what you did there I'm going to do more of that for you That's what it's doing. So they've fed it certain information in order to get certain kinds of results and What you have to watch out for though is the The uncanny valley Or where the devil is in the details messing everything up for you And I see this especially with the image generation ai's which I've been playing with more recently And there are again certain models that are tuned to certain things like there's a whole Image generation model tuned specifically to the movie tron legacy So you can put and I've been having fun with this like put different actors or actresses in to see What would they look like as a pirate or as someone from tron legacy or a disney cartoon character or that kind of stuff That's there's a lot of fun But then when you start looking at it, you realize oh that eye looks really weird That nose is kind of strange that arm doesn't quite look the same as the other one and The background buildings the windows are all mixed up. They don't they're not straight And you start to notice all of this stuff that just doesn't quite look right And I see that in the writing too if you take the writing straight from the ai It just doesn't quite look right and that's where It's an assistant it can get you like davis said like 80 85 percent of the way And then you need to use your knowledge and skill and communication abilities to go in Fact check the stuff and improve it put it in your voice. It can help you It's not going to do everything for you. And I think yes, it will get better It's still not going to do it for you though Yeah Yeah, it's cool. And you know Also just part of it is you know that whole thing with like things are going to get better transcriptions are going to get better Um more accurate to pretty accurate. I'm surprised at what even like google does the auto closed captioning amazing like it's amazing Um when you say that they'll consider that we're talking From american perspectives. Yes with very low level accents You start putting in like a scottish person who speaks speaking american I mean not american speaking english Just wait until wait until AI can bring our podcast to all of those languages Right, we're going to get AI versions of ourselves in portuguese. Fantastic. Now it shows in portuguese. That's That'd be awesome. Yeah, I I don't think it's AI, but I know brine barletta Is paying some service to put his show out in spanish and i'm not sure that's a big thing now too That's another youtube innovation. I said mr. Beast kind of like really led this If you don't know who that is, but it's like he's I don't remember who he's talking to but he's just like Yeah, he's just like we just put all our stuff out and our channel is copied in spanish people do that even even overdubs Like you're seeing that on netflix like big shows. Um, yeah, is it like That are like coming out of korea are overdubbed and it's like yeah, it's overdub It's it's not as good, but you are starting to see some great content from people you wouldn't have seen before Because it's in your native language. So I am very excited about being able to do that talk about growing your audience man now You might not have the ability to communicate with that audience as easily But you will like the fact that you can walk to another country right now Say something to an app and then it has its but you can have a conversation with someone who's not in your native language Like and you don't speak the language There are excited, you know, it's very exciting and of course Everything new is going to be abused. So you do have to watch out It's gonna be fun to watch But I do know that i'm gonna pop the image stuff as fun as heck you please someone make us go to ai go to um Go to uh, what are the ones I've tried a couple lens lenzo something I know now it's like the profile picture one, but like um I'm blanking anyways go to one of those and make uh make podcasts at round table as babies I've seen like celebrities What they as babies like you could if you can think of it It can do it and it's pretty pretty entertaining at its lowest level I know the first time I talked about ai on ask the podcast coach I had ai generate the album art and the person had six fingers That's awesome. That'd be fantastic album art That's a great way to use the art for your album art because people are gonna look like yeah It's almost a wears what like a what's wrong with this image. Was that in highlights? Like yeah, yeah, yeah Dating ourselves When you if you're old, I bet they're still there. There's got to be highlights in a dentist Well, they never updated them. Let's see. They're the same highlights that we read. Yeah 1972. Yeah, that's right. Exactly It's good content. Hey good content doesn't go out of date All right Well, I mean, is there anything else you guys want to bring up? But we did you know we tend to linger on subjects here and don't get a full a full breadth of Conversations, but that allows us to talk about this same one next year if we wanted to Um anything else or we can see our way out of here let this live audience go I mean again, everyone here live if you're listening later Thanks so much. We are glad to be back and there's so many people here live and I say that and I'm talking like, you know 15 people is incredible For announcing a live stream on the same day. So and I'm seeing so many faces that we know So it's been really cool to see all in the chat. So thanks everybody But um if you have something else throw it out, but otherwise let us know where we can find your podcast now Look, I've already signal. We're ending these CTAs are no good But the people in that chat are power people. They'll check out your website Dave. I promise I'm going to do this if you go to youtube.com David Jackson. I should know this. Um, I'm like nine people away from 3 000 subscribers. So nice You have enough people in the chat to literally put you over the edge right now So if if that happens We know where it came from because this is live not published to the feed yet So Dave if you see that go over 3 000 in the next hour Give a lot of people my life That we do you could you can do that here. It is David Jackson. Yes youtube.com slash david jackson. We'll get you there You sure it's not at david jackson. I don't know what youtube it's at david jackson, too Yeah, they why are you doing youtube? It was fine before that whole app thing is actually unnecessary So unnecessary for many of these things like the when they sent me all of the emails about the usernames I already had usernames and I can access the same page with and without the at sign So it's it's kind of weird, but I guess it was more for those who Didn't have their own Handled yet on youtube. Yes. All right. Well, daniel we're what is Witted cta It's not a waste I'm gonna make this valuable because I'm going to give a tip a value that you will want to stay for it after the call to action while I think about it Go to the audacity to podcast comm one of the things that I really want to see podcasters doing in 2023 and beyond is incorporating podcasting 2.0 stuff and Really demanding it from their publishing tools From their podcast apps and at this point I say if your podcast publishing tool does not support podcasting 2.0 At least to some level and is committed to doing it more Move get a different tool. I'm really excited about Out podcasting 2.0 and I've been implementing some of those features on my own podcast now that my podcast is back And I'm experimenting with some things Changing some things and I just published an episode recently I think a lot of podcasters will be interested in on how to make your cover art for an episode Actually show even an apple podcast So check out that and all of my other content Over at the audacity to podcast comm Awesome. Dave, I think you're down to like seven now is at least two subs. You're so close man. So We're getting there. Congrats. We're getting there He's staring at it like you do that. You pulled up the live youtube subscribe count. You watch them tick down all right, well, hey What Dave well, I was gonna say where can we find you right? Oh, no He can find me where you can find all of us. We do have a website podcasters roundtable.com Jump off to youtube or social wherever you wherever you want to uh communicate with us. It's all there and um, yeah Thanks again everyone 2023. It's off to uh a good start because we're back and and we'll keep coming back We're the podcasters studio ever be back. I don't know man. Like I don't like saying things about podcasting without you guys anymore So I just uh, I don't have an I don't have enough to say by myself I mean, I always have opinions, but I need I need you guys to have a conversation I'm enjoying the campfire style once we did the roundtable. I was like, yeah It's one of those things you always want to bring back, but um, I don't know having fun here So we'll keep with it and uh, we'll keep the rest in mystery That's the only way those those people will stay subscribed Uh, we will see you next time 164 podcasters roundtable.com Yeah wave. Goodbye. That's right. We do that See you