 $50 what The annual fee is so much of a better deal. Yeah, okay, and 150 bucks that makes all that's like, oh, yeah do that Yeah, and then you can decide whether you want to pay a ticket price and it's counted Yeah, all right. I was thinking to get into the treehouse. It was gonna cost you a thousand bucks, but Yeah, you can actually look over that the the bar overlooks the field. Yeah. No, that's a great deal There's not it so it's 150 bucks to be in the stadium look over the field to have a drink And then if you're like, hey, you know what? I feel like going down into the field Do you have any extra tickets available? You get a discount on those exactly nice And base for the A's I'm actually gonna buy this right now I Have not been to an A's game at a home A's game in at least a decade. It's been a while But these are the I'm a giant fan, but I have nothing against these these are the years. I would go to the A's These are the media guides from every year guys and take a hold of it. It's got Miguel Tajada on the cover 2003 to 2008 Thinking twice. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do it after the show. It does seem like a good idea though It's a great idea if you can actually make it over there. Yeah Well, especially like if you know this treehouse bar, whatever it's called like if it's like It's like a cool, you know, like you would want to go hang out there And it feels more special than just some bar that's you know Yeah, looking at a TV, right if you're actually like, oh, I'm at the stadium like that seems pretty cool to me It's outdoors and it's oh Yeah, yeah, that's nice a little hot out there though by the Coliseum that can be can be can be can be a boiler You get some you get some freeway kind of fumes 880 up your nose More positive signs that Oakland and the A's are gonna either they're gonna build a new stadium by the Coliseum or the Mayor wants him to go by Howard Terminal right next to Jack London. Yeah The last time it was already a done deal that they're a building there was and then the college that was good they were gonna do it right by Lake Merritt and then The college that was gonna give him face pulled out Okay That's just that's the story of the A that's been the A story since I was a season ticket holder in 2008 They're always like we have a stadium deal. Oh wait. No, we don't yeah At least I mean they want to privately build it. All right. Shall we do some tech news? That news it up All right, here we go Daily Tech News show is powered by you nobody else. We ain't waiting on anybody else to find out more head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday March 29th 2018 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from Oakland, California. I'm Justin Robert It's opening day of baseball here in the United States of America and three of the four of us are wearing baseball hats Hi, Roger Chiang. You're not high. I don't follow baseball See representing the people in the audience I just feel like like if Roger doesn't care just wear a Giants hat cuz they're like the best one. Oh gosh No, he lives in Los Angeles. Are you kidding me? If he doesn't know Area Tom don't make him. All right. I'm just saying it would be like the best Dangerous for him. Okay. Let's start. However with a few tech things you should know Sources tell Bloomberg snap is cutting another 100 jobs on the advertising side of the business This follows cuts in engineering earlier this year as part of a restructuring process that the company started in its fourth quarter members of the office insiders program of office 365 will now get to use machine learning powered features Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet nerds rejoice it can now recognize and pull in additional data for geographic locations and stocks Android police reports its sources say TCL is gonna launch a palm branded phone on Verizon in the second half of this year bring back the trio bring back the trio TCL actually confirmed last August it would launch some phones under the palm brand TCL acquired the palm name in 2015 TCL also makes blackberry handsets. They might want to try to get in on some of that Nokia action Uber and the family of the woman killed by an autonomous Uber vehicle in Arizona have reached a settlement an attorney for Elaine Hersberg's daughter and husband said the matter has been Resolved terms of this settlement were not given the firm now says it has no further a comment on the matter because the case is closed Yeah And still waiting for the investigations to wrap up. There's several of those going on Let's talk a little bit more about a shake-up at Microsoft Justin Indeed Microsoft is splitting up its windows and devices group Executive vice president Rajesh Shah will lead the new group called Experiences and Devices with Panos Panay Continuing to lead surface devices and John Belfi ore continuing to run Windows client The windows platform is moving to Scott goon some gutteries. Oh, man. I got I went. Oh, by the way It's Joe Belfi or a folks on Guthrie It's what he's what he son his new cloud and AI group and combining with Azure platform under Jason Zander Alex Kipman will work on Holo lens in this group as part of a new team called AI Perception and mixed reality services Harry Shum will continue to run the separate group called AI and research Former Windows head Terry Meyerson is leaving Microsoft in a few months for whatever reason when I read that before it didn't read as as much of a graduation ceremony Yeah, well, okay, so what's going on here is they're splitting windows the old WDG group in half And because Meyerson was the head of the Windows group and and they're splitting it in half He's leaving to pursue solo projects. He's gonna stick around for a few months seems like it's an amicable departure But they are making Joe Belfi ore's interface elements that Microsoft Edge browser the apps the client It's it's it's own thing under this new group surface What is it experience and devices along with the surface? That's the consumer facing stuff and They're saying the Windows platform, which is the the core of the operating system, right? The the nuts and bolts they're gonna work that as a cloud offering So there's been lots of rumors about Microsoft 365 and lots of actual moves by Microsoft towards a Subscription version of Windows the same way they have a subscription version of office probably targeted towards business This will make that happen. You'll now have this this new place which kind of has HoloLens and AI even though There's also a different AI and research. That's the one run by Harry Shum That one's more about the actual nuts and bolts of machine learning This one seems to more be about applying AI into the platform with Azure and Windows and creating this new Microsoft 365 subscription product Seems legit Yeah, it does and and it's a it's definitely a Continuation of what's been going on with such an Adela to say Windows isn't our cash cow anymore cloud and edge He actually said that in his internal memo to employees Intelligent cloud and intelligent edge. That's where we're at now, man. How the worm is turned The US president tweeted that Amazon is not paying taxes abuses the US postal system and puts retailers out of business Amazon is Doing some of those things Amazon used to battle against state taxes That's kind of an old criticism from back when they were pulling their warehouses out of states to protest over state taxes Now they're sometimes held up as an example of how to handle state tax collection They're pretty much good at that cities still complain about Amazon Amazon pretty much ignores city tax collection needs not all cities do retail Tax for online, but some do and and those that do in fact many do Are very upset with Amazon over the fact that they do nothing to help cities. So maybe it's a 50-50 one Amazon also has a corporate deal that pays the US Postal Service to deliver packages That's the US Postal Services business now some have criticized it as a bad deal for the USPS But Amazon's deal is not unique in that respect and the USPS wouldn't have to agree to it If they didn't want to the bigger problem here is the Postal Service very often Agrees to to deals that aren't necessarily in its best interest. So I'm not sure about that one Amazon has been criticized for running out smaller retail businesses since it launched in the 1990s They were first criticized for running out mom-and-pop bookstores now. They're criticized for running out mom-and-pop everything Including Toys R Us, which isn't even mom-and-pop. So that one is probably the most legitimate of the complaints about Amazon if you if you want to grade them on that scale if you you know all of the stuff that you've just listed Tom is Amazon is problematic depending on who you are and you know how you feel about yeah retail stores mom-and-pop shops and the growing evolution of Amazon's sort of stronghold in everything I'm not exactly sure what the Tweet from the current president does You know, it's it seems like an echoing of people being like well Amazon, you know, they're they don't pay taxes You know, they're they're ruining everything. It's like well, you know, they yes, you could think of it that way You can also think of it as you know, paving a new ground for the way that business works Of which they sell literally everything. So I don't know. I don't I don't know if this is just sort of like a Let's all look at Amazon as an enemy or if there's something that's going to happen, you know If you follow the reporting from Axios, which does you know fit in kind of a sweet spot in terms of their reporting in politics and Technology part of the issue for Trump is that he looks at Amazon as kind of a a a bad Permutation of the economy that is taking out the bedrock elements of the American economy since the 1950s So retail brick-and-mortar stores going out of business because of Amazon Well, if they are going to do that then they should be paying back more into the government or the economy in other ways and so we've used the deal that that they have with the post office and You know, whatever however people want to factor into the tax thing as as them not doing that so It's it's it's hard to parse out exactly where we are right now with tech and politics specifically in that there's a lot of different Elements of our government that have different kind of critical looks at our leading technology powerhouses And it seems as if the executive branch is bugaboo is Amazon Yeah, Facebook is certainly under the gun from Congress and Google has been under the gun from from Congress before Apple had its running with the FBI over encryption So so yeah, I mean there's these big companies are going to attract this kind of scrutiny If anything, maybe it's a way to get a better deal for the US Postal Service No, that would that might be worth it. The post office has said that they're happy with their deal with Amazon and that Amazon has Forget eroding them. They have made them more busy and made it economically viable for them to start delivering on Sundays for in some markets So who knows your mileage may vary Facebook announced it will shut down Partner categories over the next six months which will limit how much data it allows Advertisers buying targeted ads on the social network to have the company says it will stop using data from third-party data aggregators specifically companies like Experium or AXICOM to help supplement its own data set a source tells recode that although Facebook still uses these companies to help with ad measurement It's also re-evaluating how that practice works as well This is this is something that is a good preventative measure because this is something that every website does When when you put in an email address almost every major website is going to cross-reference that with one of these Experium type databases and say well, what else can we find out about this person? Let's triangulate them so we can mark it to them better You may find that creepy you may find that helpful most of you probably find it creepy But but the idea is we want to put the things in front of you that are more relevant And if we know more about you we can't what Facebook is saying is not that they're going to stop doing that outside of Facebook Mind you on their ad network, but they're gonna stop doing it in Facebook They're gonna stop taking what they know about you inside Facebook And combining it with third-party data, which means that they oh they know more about you than just what you've told them Because the optics on that are really bad I would say it's probably not just the optics But also the fact that Facebook probably trusts its own data collection Enough that they feel they can still target you pretty good with ads inside Facebook without having to use that third-party data So it may be saving them some money too It's also PR. I mean I talk about part two of The government having some sort of day of reckoning with some of the big tech companies of our of our era This is a major problem for Facebook with Mark Zuckerberg now Possibly going to testify before Congress We have a big election season coming up for a lot of different congressional seats I would be curious to see over the next year how much Regulate Facebook and having a your right to privacy You know legislation that you know be a needle mover Yeah, that's why I said that's why I said the optics are a big part of this because Just just the words third-party data and your Facebook data It doesn't matter what it actually means Facebook doesn't want that kicking around Well, and especially, you know the fact that we're what I'm just over a month away from f8 Where Facebook really wants to be able to whether or not they end up Announcing things that have rumored did not be announced anymore a speaker being one of them You know, we've got just a little over a month to do a lot of you know That sort of PR work now is Justin called it could mean it's a much smoother sailing Fates going to be an effort to turn the conversation back Yeah, and this is the kind of thing that lays the groundwork for Zuckerberg to come out and say he's sorry on stage Mm-hmm, and but here's what we are doing all the things we've been doing Yeah, all that you know, yeah all the changes we've been making because we care about you the user Man, it's gonna be amazing to see the the contingent of DC press at f8 Where they might not normally go Yeah, go wait to hear some Jason conversations with the Capitol Hill reporters In compliance with the EU's a GDP are Apple will update its web page to allow users to download a copy of all data Stored with Apple an update to iOS 11.3 Thursday also includes a splash screen on Data privacy detailing how data is used in applications the update also adds the toggle to disable a feature that slows the phone down in order to Help adapt to older battery capacity There's also the ability to view health records and new animated emojis Yay How timely is GDPR for companies that want to appear to not be Facebook? This is something Apple is gonna do today. No matter what right? This is this is when 11.3 was coming out So this is when they would target to roll in a bunch of their GDPR stuff ahead of the May compliance date But boy it sure does happen on a week where they can point to it and say look at us see you're not our product like Facebook Yeah, we were talking earlier about the slow Drawling shape delivered from Tim Cook earlier this week about not only me It is a lot of the same lines that he would say about Google now It is applied to Facebook because they are the ones in the barrel, but look for Apple They're like, this is why we charge $1,000 for a phone man. So we can get that money and you can keep your data But yeah, all of this the splash screen and data downloading from the website This is all stuff that they have to do Interestingly Apple's web page update to download your data will start in the EU They aren't rolling it out for everybody at once although Apple says they will give it to everybody eventually they they just have to get it up and running in the EU in May to comply with GDPR and I feel like the whole anger about battery capacity has just kind of evaporated and they're finally giving you that disabled switch if you really want your phone to crash when Faster with the batteries old. I mean, yeah What a what a tempest in a teapot that story was but again here is something that that really is important though with that And we saw it again with Facebook this week as the whistleblower for Cambridge Analytica has been testifying in the UK That there are these Urban, I mean, I don't want to urban legends sounds dismissive But these these kind of fault tales of Apple slows down your phone, right? And there's a million technical reasons to explain why that phenomenon happens the biggest of which being that they you know The operating system demands more and older hardware runs things slower than the the old software would Or Facebook is listening to you and targeting ads based on like the ambient microphone and now you're seeing real world These companies can't just laugh these things off I mean, I think that that the Facebook is listening to you when you don't want to is Possibly just as much of a reason why at f8. We might not see a and and Alexa competitors. Yeah as anything else Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's The the truth getting close enough to the fiction that people who dismissed it are starting to wonder if they should have and Yes, you should have Facebook isn't listening through your microphone Apple is not slowing down your phone on purpose If as I've said millions of times before Apple is probably not too worried about making sure your old phone works really fast They're not gonna go out of their way, but they're not intentionally trying to slow it down I'm glad they're adding this disabled function. It's good to give users choice. Yeah Federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the mobile game big fish casino constitutes illegal online gambling under Washington state law Big fish casino has in-game currency called chips Opians casino, of course, they're gonna call it chips that players can use to play blackjack slots, etc If you run out of the chips you can either wait for them to refresh This is like lots of mobile games your in-game currency runs out You get you get new currency after a certain amount of time or of course you can buy Chips and start playing right away. Well, Washington state law outlaws risking something of value on the outcome of a contest of chance Or future contingent event not under the person's control or influence to receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome It sounds like legalese to a lot of you I know but basically Washington state says you can't make somebody risk something of value on the Possibility that they'll get something of value back That's gambling right. That's what that's what the Washington state Okay, we lost as it says gambling online gambling is is not allowed and it did that's how it defines it, right? The judge in this case ruled that the chips in big fish casino have value They are something of value because they extend the privilege of playing the game and therefore This game violates online gambling rules case was brought by Cheryl Cater who spent more than a thousand dollars on chips And then decided that shouldn't be legal And and brought the case Decision overturns a 2016 US district court ruling and the case now returns to that district court Big fish's parent company church Hill Downs can either request the case be heard in front of a large appeals court panel or petition for it to be heard by the US Supreme Court And by the way, that is the Churchill Downs. That's the the the the Louisville, Kentucky Is it really that's the I just I looked it up. Yeah, nice So so okay the church Hill Downs a horse racing outfit operates an app called casino It looks like gambling Is it though if you can get the chips, you know, within a certain time frame Let's say a couple of hours for free without paying. Is that still gambling? Apparently it is under Washington state law according to this court although the district court said it wasn't I mean, we are going to see In general, I think legally we are kind of at a flashpoint with a lot of gambling stuff And and we are kind of seeing I think the dawning of of legal gambling But that does not mean in fact, it would probably mean that we would be facing more of Of a moment for getting hard regulations on stuff like this beyond just looking at it as an extension into the illicit world of gambling Now Sarah you you were laughing because because my I was reading the definition of gambling I actually this is I I'm not a gambler I get no joy out of any of this stuff for I'm like if I have something of value I'm not gonna like bet it but to get more because I'll probably lose it right but the chips in your mobile game. Is that To me it's not like if I go to a casino a You know a legally operating casino in Washington state of which there are many and I play a game online You know, you know within the same Washington state I don't I don't see the difference Well, never count your chip when yeah, you know, there'll be plenty time for counting what What this is gonna mean If this holds up right it has to go back to district court and there might be an appeal and I'm the Supreme Court might weigh in So we're far from being determined how this is gonna play out if it plays out against big fish casino though it could mean that Nintendo's pocket camp is subject to the same law and would be considered illegal Because hey, I have to pay for leaf tickets to do things in pocket camp Or I can earn them, but if I can't earn them out to pay from therefore, there's something of value And any any game that has loot boxes certainly could fall under this definition So it could have much more wide-ranging impact. I mean again, this is you know, I'm being a little dramatic But like, okay, we're talking about Data practices with Facebook and how everybody's very upset like we didn't really know, you know what the implications were of all of this I feel like gambling and I use that term loosely to Include yeah buying tokens so that you have a better but fun time and some app Then you would have if you just play for free That isn't going to like ruin everybody's life But for some people it is a real issue and I don't think that should be taken lightly That's fair point. I just wonder if that there's different regulations needed to be done for that versus actual like Put in thousand dollars by the way a little addition to this story a Churchill Downs sold big fish games to aristocrat technologies for 990 million dollars at least they announced the sale in December of Last year so I mean who knows whether or not Churchill Downs wanted to who buys a Property that's in the middle of a year's long legal dispute. That's a that's an interesting question Aristocrat technologies incorporated from all first racers Tom aristocrats. Yes, of course Do you guys want to talk about dating apps? Of course because All right, well So let's hope that's true bumblefowl a lawsuit late Wednesday claiming that match group which owns match comm and tinder Stole trade secrets through something called a fraudulent behavior those Bumble's words But also hurt Bumble's chances of selling an equity investment or possibly selling itself interfered with its business operations and is asking for 400 million dollars in damages You might recall that match followed its own patent infringement lawsuit against Bumble earlier this month We talked about on the show Bumble's lawsuit claims that match offered to buy Bumble for 450 million knowing This was last June that it was a low ball offer and then did some due diligence Bumble said new offers too low and then match failed to make a serious offer What Bumble's kind of getting at is that they just wanted to know what was going on under the hood of the business Right and pretending to want to buy it Bumble founder and CEO Whitney Wolfe heard was a founder of tinder Which match now owns and filed a sexual harassment lawsuit when she left the company in 2014 That whole thing is not part of either of these lawsuits that the companies are now waging against each other But it's an interesting Detail considering that she's now running Bumble and the companies probably aren't getting along all that well now their Relationships are also fraught, right? Does this change? Your perception of the trustworthiness and reliability of using these apps though Well, I'll say this if you hang out on any dating app for oh, let's say 30 days Right, and then you sort of say like, okay These are the three you you start to see, you know, it's kind of the same you start to see familiar faces You start to see you know familiar bios familiar behaviors that apps all start, you know Looking like each other like you know lots of social networks, right? You know where there's chat options and you have pictures and you can you know hook it up to your Instagram So quite honestly, I you know, I Get why both companies would be like well, you know, the other one seems to be you know stealing our stuff But as an end user I see very little difference But I also think that if match was to you know, say to bumble Hey, you know, we were looking to buy you we want to give you this like Insultingly low offer, but you know while we kind of figure out what you're actually worth Let's you know get some trade secrets and if they actually took those and ran with them bumble has a case here I don't know if that's true and obviously there's a lot more information to come out in this in the story But it's you know, it's your typical competing products work basically the same now, you know One of us has to go down. Yeah Well, we will keep following the ups and downs and ins and outs of the relationships Bumble and match and Tinder Triangle some kind Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to Daily Tech headlines comm on your Amazon Echo on your Google Home on Your anchor app or even just in an RSS feed that you decide where to put that Daily Tech headlines comm Hey, Sarah, is that a mail bag I see sure is we got an email from Peter and this is in response to conversation we had with Chris actually about software as a service and where it's all going and and you know When it's good and bad. He says here's some different context I'm a millennial that chose to be a technical sales person in hardware sales Instead of cloud sales the reason I chose to be where I am is because I believe there will be a shift back to on Premises the drive for cloud right now is usually coming top-down from executives They have to have a broad understanding of many things including IT their vision of what cloud usually comes down to two things to oversimplify first cost savings both in compute Computer resources and people resources, right? So you don't blame I for taking all the jobs The second is agility of the business which includes agility for developers to create more software as a service offerings It all ends up getting a touted as a sexy thing to do for executives Move to the cloud. That's what you're always hearing, right? It's the future in some cases though might be their mandate from on high executive Jim cloud fly the business He goes on to explain a little bit more about what he means But yeah, so this is this is a bit of a counterpoint from Peter saying, you know a lot of this cloud stuff Not that it's a bad idea But depending on who's running These these the visions, you know, is it really the right thing for every company? Peter says no not for me Yeah, we actually got an email from Ruben in Monterey, Mexico saying the exact opposite of this Which which kind of mirrors what Chris was talking about yesterday So we wanted to give a little more time to the counterpoint, but it was interesting to get those back to back Because Peter's like no it'll swing back come on you guys and and Ruben is like no it'll never go back It's it everybody's gonna stay in the cloud There's all the advantages that you guys were talking about so it's anybody's guess which way it's gonna go but it's an interesting perspective and Big thanks to Peter and Ruben for writing it Peter wrote us from Misty Toronto as he explained it by the way And look at that give a shout out to our Canadian hat Canada and Mexico talking about s a a s Yeah, it's a like a little sass sandwich It isn't Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit I actually had a nice little conversation with some folks today about you the subreddit and what we use it for And one of them suggested like hey, have you guys done an AMA in a while? 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I've asked to be on this show like multiple times and you keep oh my gosh All right, you tell me here's here's literally what you've told me multiple times I really want you to come down to la and do it like with molly wood And it's like when I see I've seen molly like three times in person over the past like five years the chance is here today She's right here. Well, okay. Well, I don't Again, you might just tell me no, it's fine. Just tell me you don't want to go. I'll get over it Nope, you will be on tell it anyway. Everyone will be on tell it anyway. Um, I have not been on tell it I know None of us have Jenny terrible mistake Um, yes, I very much look forward to the uh, Justin Robert Young stories Um, so yeah, things are pretty good. How are you guys? Uh, good. Where's the chat room these days? It's still the where you left it Okay, it's at irc.chatrealm.net that realm. That's what I was missing Uh, roger. What's our title? Our title is, uh, amazon No, that was cloudy with a chance of nuts and bolts cloudy with a chance of nuts and bolts. Oh, that's good. I like it I like it No, not this nope I hate that Uh, by the way in in in draft news Hmm movie draft Yeah, it looks like a 50 million dollar opening weekend for ready player one That's the projection That would be up from I think where it was tracking. I think it was tracking in the high 30s low 40s So this would be a little bit more Don't want people are expecting Yeah, that's that's uh, who's who's got that again? That'd be me me and Team night attack you say Yeah, I'll coincidental Oh, no one's gonna see that movie. I mean somebody or a bro wanted to see it with me last night But I didn't get a chance to do it The the reviews are good though. I heard I heard some some positive feedback from friends of ours that have seen it So the the general from south by southwest on when it when it had its surprise screening The the reviews have been if you're into the 80s reference part of it You'll love it if if references like that bug you which they do some people. Yeah, it's too much It's gonna be too much for you, but the story is solid In amongst that that seems to be the boiling down what I've what I've read I might then I might be annoyed with the movie. Yeah You did not like the 80s No, I love the 80s. The thing is I can't stand constant Name dropping referencing like I don't mind if it's in a movie, but if it's like Like over present it becomes obnoxious to me. It's a fair point It's a fair point because for many years in creative writing classes. They told you never To drop in pop culture references to anything you were writing. Oh, hey you guys I have a phone call on the internet I've done this for a while Was this where this court goes? Voip um So Uh Anyway, yeah, I get it. That's fair You know, that is one of the issues that I have with the series halt and catch fire Which is a good series And it got better some people that you know some some peers of mine are like that series is Wildly underrated. It's so good and it is smart and good, but it's so specific about like, oh, yeah They're talking about what happened in 1987. Yeah that it it uh, infuriates me and I can't watch it Hold on. Let me put down my like cola and all. Yeah, is it like that? No, yeah, not that bad, but it's very it's very it touches on lots of things that happened in the early days of What we now know is you know our modern computing world and it is To me very heavy-handed boy that rag and sure is president. Meanwhile That's a thing though. It wears a lot of those references on it. I ran contra herrings Which which I was that software billed going in they they make an effort they make an effort to make sure you notice Or at least it's noticed. Yeah Instead of just being wrong with it. Maybe it's too close You know, maybe it's too close to all of us It's like when it's like that song bowling for that band bowling for soup. They do that song like 1985 or whatever Only just that sounds like a great idea It's uh, it's a it's a very mediocre band as roger drops over to 90s references. It's it's a 2000 ish 1985 yeah, roger actually You got every bet I got this on but the thing is there it's one of those things where they just Drop like cultural references, but it's it's a pastiche. So it really isn't coherent. It's just there to It's the 80s. So this is what you get. It's like I get it sort of It's it's I mean I I can understand the fan service or like the kind of uh cohort service that that offers But you know at the at the same time it's like, okay, I get it. I'm being pandered to Hitting me over the head with a giant wrench of oh, look it's night rider. Oh, which would it beat the delorean from Back to the future or what about chitty-chitty bang bang? Are we gonna have one of those? I don't know what your did animal hits five 85 Because that is one of I mean it's and I'm not even being ironic. You think I am but I'm not That's one of the best things that ever came out of that decade 1983 september 30th 1983 was the first episode of manimal Ah, so good. If anyone doesn't know what manimal was It was a pi slash detective show But it featured a protagonist because of his long stay with the latin or a tribe in the amazon Was able to morph into different animals to get him out of different situations. This is the superhero movie. We all need Are we because oh, I'm sorry. No, I'm I'm just I'm just excited Well, it was a variation on DC's animal man DC comic that there's a character named animal man who kind of does something very similar I'm the big fan of the MCU the manimal cinematic universe. Yeah, well, it's funny because they referenced that character in an episode of Was it a super super power? There was a there was a 90s syndicated show kind of like a saturday afternoon like superhero show And they referenced his character except that it was his daughter that was now the manimal Person it was only on a scale of one to ten How much did you anticipate joining a manimal type conversation today? It does not surprise me Uh in the least and I'm super glad to be listed. So this is that this is the common cultural reference For manimal and today is that the favorite animal form of our protagonist was a black panther Whoa Um, so this is one of the best parts of the wikipedia article about manimal Is that you know, it goes on he says that he's a shape shifter. He can turn himself into any animal However, well jonathan that was the character's name had the ability to change himself into any animal He would transform into either a hawk or a black panther in nearly every episode It's because that's it's that's the uh guys. They contracted out to have the trained Listen being a snake being a you know alligator being a leopard all great, but I Wanted He did turn into a snake once right that was to save the female Well, that's when manimal jumped the shark roger Snake episode No, no, it was a snake episode because she was drowning in quicksand and he turned into a snake So she could grab on to him and the other guy would pull him out Also, just one of the best like movie things that only happen in movies is people drowning in quicksand Like Well, I think it happens the real world, but we're not there to see it right or does it not happen Right, but like this is like indiana jones drowning in quicksand like quicksand is like a thing We're like, ah, you know, I'm really good at a lot of stuff, but I still might die as quicksand right now It's super budget friendly. I think yeah. Yeah Well, that's that's one of the great things about so many of those kind of superhero sci-fi fantasy shows from the 80s Is you knew they had a limited budget and you could tell because a they would reuse a lot of the same footage over and over and over again And when they shot like sequences, it was always very tight close-ups, right? So they wouldn't need to show the whole body like flying through the air Or like dodging a laser gun or something, right? They would just have a close shot of the face or the torso or just the feet And they could do something with the feet and that was it. You didn't need to show the whole thing Saved so much money that way Or you just go to uh, uh, what's it? Um, who's the guy that does all the hollywood cars george barris? Really in depth in the manimal I have never seen roger more excited than to talk about manimal Manimal the master captain power With roger is like he'll kind of just sit there silently for a while But like if you hit the right note, he hit the right switch. It's just a torn of stuff He did right right where roger's like I've actually thought about this for many decades Yeah, did we pick a title? Yes, actually roger did cloudy with the chance of nuts and bolts. Okay Yeah, he fulfilled his his producerial duty. I didn't know if he just got so swamped up in the Title of today's show is manimal Manimal You know that is that is right for a reboot Actually, there is there's a bunch of shows from the 70s Like man from atlantis with patrick duffy. Can we have one animal too or just manimal? You can have it could be man and men Mole man. Oh, menimals Menimals, right? You have a group very small animals Or humanals Oh, actually, you know, they did that they did that teen series or tween series About the teens that that because of these aliens Or given powers to fight off another group of invading aliens by being able to shape shift in the different ambiance Did you know you can watch all the manimal episodes for free if you hit that little button? Ah, yes Stopping broadcast. Thanks everybody Space episode tomorrow animorse. That was the book series cartoon and more fight