 Good evening, everyone. My name is Akola Gwek and I'm the moderator for tonight Republican Primary Forum. We have three candidates tonight that have joined us right here on the screen. We have Liam Madden right there with little one. We have Erika Bandy-Redick right in the middle. And we have Anya Tinio or Tinio. How do you pronounce your names? Apologies. Anya Tinio. Anya Tinio. Anya Tinio. Anya Tinio. Thank you so much. Welcome to the forum. Let me just read the ground rules and we will get to walk right away. First of all, we have 45 minutes from 5.30 to 6.15. We have 13 questions that we love to cover for 45 minutes. We may not get to all the questions, but if you keep your answers brief, then we can cover all the questions. During this time, I will choose any question randomly. It could be the first question, it could be the last question, it could be the question in the middle. The candidates have 1.5 minutes to answer your questions. And about the 30 second to rebut what is asked of them. The candidate will also be given opportunity to ask each other questions. And without further ado, welcome again to the forum. The Brumantas will be listening to these forums and they may ask questions and if they remember some of the public ask questions, then I will give them the priority to do that. So without further ado, let's begin with an opening statement for 1.5 minutes. The audience has why you are running and what experience you bring to the position. What will be different for the people of the state of Vermont, because you have been elected to this position. Anya, you have the floor. Thank you very much. The experience that I will bring is business marketing agriculture and political experience to the Vermont GOP in my position as the Orleans County Committee woman to the Vermont GOP sitting on platform committee, as well as being vice chair of the Orleans County Committee. What would be different for Vermonters when I am elected to Washington is that they will have a representative that understands their daily lives and how that works and the challenges that they face in it will be working actively to promote their prosperity and have a politician that is not pushing a woke agenda and will be putting people over politics I will be legislating in their best interest every day focusing on Vermont and the United States. You have the floor. Thank you. Thank you so much, Liam. I appreciate that. Thank you, Nicole. Thank you for Monters getting to share with you this evening. The reason that I'm running is because I want to establish or reestablish integrity, transparency and accountability to the federal government. We've got a $30 trillion debt and climbing and and our elected officials are spending future generations labor on nonsense if you ask me when they appropriate $14 million to congratulate themselves when we've got record inflation, baby formula shortages and and food prices spiking, I think they've demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to be stewards of the of the resources that the American people have given them. The experience that I have to bring is 20 years of working in accounting working with small businesses, helping them make good financial decisions, coming back from the brink of bankruptcy and other financial turmoil. And so what I do is I help them make good decisions. I help businesses problem solve to see where they can cut spending and increase revenue, and I'll bring that same problem solving persona I'll bring that same problem solving set of skills to Washington DC with me. Thank you, Erica. Liam, you have the floor. Hi fellow Vermonters. My name is Liam Madden. I'm a Marine Corps veteran who became the leader of the nation's largest anti war organization of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. And I think that shows you that I have the kind of leadership experience that says that I, I both love this country and I'm willing to risk my life for it. I'm willing to risk my life to ensure our country does what is right. I'm also an entrepreneur who co one MIT's solve award for sustainability innovations. And so you probably realize that peace and sustainability are core values of mine and so is the freedom and well being of all people. I'm running because I have love in my life that I don't trust their futures to in the hands of a government that we all know is corrupt dividing us and not solving our problems. And I don't think it's a matter of changing the players and changing the players and changing the players that solves this problem it's a matter of changing the rules of the game. And you can find out a lot more about what I mean by that on my website rebirth democracy.com. What will change in government, as a result of me being elected Vermont's representative is that we will have a person with vision for a government that actually works to solve our problems and represent us. And as the book of Proverbs says, without vision, the people perish. Thank you. Thank you so much. I have been very linear and I just want to give you enough time to finish your opening statement. Now it's deep to 1.5 minute. The first questions. May I ask a quick question. Yes. Will you cut us off because I don't see a timer or anything like that for us to track. I am watching it here. I will interrupt you when you're done. Perfect. Perfect. Thank you. When I, when I, when I raise my hand like this, then you only have 30 second left. That's okay. Thank you. So when I raise my hand just know that. Now the first question is, you are Republicans in the state of Vermont. The question is, if elected, if elected as Republican to the US House, this will be the first time in years since a Republican held this office. What all do you think you would play as a Republican from Vermont where Democrats have helped seats for so long. You have the floor for 1.5 minutes. I have an opportunity right out of the gates to clarify this. I am an independent running in the Republican primary. We can talk about why, why I've chosen to do that. I do feel like I am at home at a Republican primary because there are shared values that I have. But as an independent, I believe we need the values of both sides of the political spectrum to have a healthy society. The personal responsibility from the right is needed for us to flourish as is knowledge that we grow as individuals from the soil that is our community. So, I won't govern as a Republican, I will not be loyal to a party agenda I will be loyal to the people who elected to me and I will be governing as an independent. And I think that that clarifies where I stand on that issue. Thank you. 1.5 minutes. I think the majority of Vermonters are not Democrat or Republican. I think the majority of Vermonters would consider themselves independence centrists moderates and the Republican values really speak to those those folks the the the moderate middle the majority of Vermonters the 70% of folks who are mostly concerned with the economy inflation fuel prices food prices wage inflation lack of a built you know, labor shortages right. These are the real problems that are facing Vermonters today and Republicans have a track record of being better, more pragmatic and more practical on those issues. I'm an accountant for goodness sake. Okay, I think what Vermonters want to see in Washington right now more than anything is people who can do math. People who can balance budgets, people who will consider their real the real world consequences of the decisions that they make. Thank you. Anya, you have the floor for 1.5 minutes. Thank you. Anya legislature, a legislator for both sides, but being a Republican gives me that unique perspective of fiscal responsibility personal responsibility constitutional rights. And those are the things that we need to focus on in this country we need to have affordability we need to lower inflation and we need to have safe and secure communities. Republicans are the party of the people now that that has changed since the Democrats were once considered the party of the working people it is now the Republican Party. And I believe that with those with those issues on the tables, so much of the forefront, people are going to turn to the Republicans, because they need them to legislate their way out of this mess that we are currently in. I look forward to being the representative to do that and the state of Vermont will be better off for it, whether, you know, vote Democrat previously or Republican or independent, you can vote for for me, and I will work very hard to improve the state that you're living in now. Thank you. Thank you. I'll go back a little bit on this question again. Are you confident that a Republican running in Vermont for US House of Representatives can win in Vermont. Yes, I am. I do believe that's a possibility this year. It may not have been in the past but I believe this year that it is to the other candidate Liam and Erica. No, I don't believe. Well, first of all, it's clear that a Republican can win statewide we've had many Republican governors, but I don't believe a pro life conservative is likely to win office I think we need someone who can appeal to independence and moderates and that would make me the most electable candidate in the Republican primary. Thank you. I think it's interesting to hear other candidates say what other candidates believe inaccurately a Republican can absolutely win until I think the 80s. This was a all Republican state all Republican office holders so we absolutely can win here for monitors want reason and practicality and that's what we offer. Thank you. See people tend to forget but even if you look historically even the senators like George Aiken they are all Republican. Yes, sir. It's too hard to know to actually remember now. Let me go to the Supreme Court, because we should be talking about the current issue. Obertaining Roby Wade has highlighted the direction of this current Supreme Court. What do you think is the way forward on the issue of abortion or choice. Do you think, do you think the Supreme Court as over reach its power. Erica. You have the floor. The, the thing that I'm the most excited about is the Supreme Court now remembers what its job is. So, unfortunately, over the last several decades and actually really throughout history. The Supreme Court has chosen to legislate from the bench. And that is not its job. The Supreme Court's only job in our separation of powers is to determine whether or not a law passed by Congress is unconstitutional or not. And in the case of Roe versus Wade, the Supreme Court actually made a law. It actually created regulations it gave dates and terms and all this other stuff. And the only place you normally would read something like that is in legislation passed by Congress. So I'm incredibly grateful that the Supreme Court now remembers that it's one job is to determine whether or not a law is unconstitutional or not. I think the really great thing is that now we in the states. Democracy has been restored. You know, we talk all the time about the fear about our democracy. And by by the Supreme Court budding in. That's actually an affront to democracy. Thank you. Thank you. So, so I will come back to you on that but just just just just to nail this. So you agree with the US Supreme Court that it has done that I think. Yes. Yes, sir. Just for Brumantas to know where you stand on that. Yes. Anya, you had the floor. Thank you. Yes, I do believe that the Supreme Court decision was the right one. I believe this is Supreme Court did overstep originally when it for Roe v Wade in the 1970s and this this action was just rectifying that I'm glad to see it go through the states to be legislated on. And I think that if Congress stayed out of it and left it a states rights issue we'd be doing very well. That way the states would have an opportunity to put this through the democratic process. In short, I am pro-life so I do agree with the decision on a moral level but also on a state's rights level. Liam, you have the floor. I'm getting a little bit of feedback. I'm not sure if other people are getting that. So, I agree with Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg who said that if we want abortion to be a right that people have in the long term that it would be necessary for Congress to pass a law. So, I am pro-choice, especially pro-choice I believe it's someone's right to govern their own body and reproduction for the first trimester until the baby is viable and is its own person independently of the mother. At that point, it becomes an issue where there's there's two rights, two sets of rights that need to be governed and in the third trimester after fetus is viable independently. It makes sense to have no third trimester abortions unless it was for the health of the mother which is most third trimester abortions. And in between in that gray area I am okay with the state's governing and deciding this issue where we're compromising to achieve protecting people's autonomy over their own body and also protecting the rights of the unborn child. And I think if the middle 80% of this country were to decide on this issue they would probably land somewhere in there in terms of the Supreme Court in general. I believe this needs to be legislated and that there are reforms I am open to on the Supreme Court including term limits. Thank you. Thank you. Just to be clear, when you say you believe it need to be legislated, it need to be legislated. Does that mean you agree with what Supreme Court has done? I think this is far too complex of an issue for me to give you a yes or no I agree. I agree that some of this matter should be legislated at the state level and I'm okay with that. I disagree that many states are using that as an opportunity to trample on individual rights of bodily autonomy and reproductive autonomy. So, so it is a yes and no answer. You just. I can't give a yes or no answer because it the implications of this are the Supreme Court has a responsibility to protect the constitutional rights of people who have autonomy over their own body and they're basically seeding too much ground to the states. I'm okay seeding some ground to the states but not that much. So, just, just for Brumantas to be clear, do you agree with what the Supreme Court has done or not? The other two candidates are very clear. I believe that the Supreme Court has taken an issue and created both good and bad. So, I'm not going to give you a yes or no. I think there are consequences to this that are good and bad. Thank you. Thank you. I will leave it at that since we don't have time but good, good, good. Foreign policy because when you are in the US Congress what happened around the world does come into your plate and you have to deal with. The world in Ukraine has pointed out just how affected we all are by global crisis. What is your stance on US involvement with Ukraine and conflicts around the world? What role should we play and how would you work to work that using this house seat? Anya, Tino, you have the floor, 1.5 minutes. Thank you very much. Foreign policy is very important in Congress and it's a passion of mine. I frankly very interested in it so it's something that I've studied in depth. I think that our involvement in Ukraine, we have spent a great deal of money and yet we have not done so as effectively as I would have hoped that we could have. When we're dealing with a situation like this where we have Russia who has been an aggressor for many years. We have them addressing in a country where we have assisted. I think that it is in our best interest to make sure that we end that threat as quickly as possible. And if Russia is in a weakened position right now and I would think that it would be a wise move on the part of the United States to end that threat while we have the opportunity to do so. And we should have posed the airspace, saved many lives in a humanitarian crisis much more. We can't be writing blank checks for the rest of the world and I wouldn't be doing that in Congress. I would want to see the money spent very specifically on ending this threat as quickly as possible. But I do support ending this threat by Russia and helping the Ukrainian people to remain independent and become a strong nation as they fully intend to do. What do you mean by as quickly as possible? What does that entail? We are talking about a nuclear power. Yes we are. And I think that's the reason that we should be taking this very seriously right now what we're doing has pretty much aggravated Russia and made them feel that we are a threat to them, but we have not done so in a strong enough way. And I want to make sure that we do not enter a nuclear war with Russia. That's very important. But having Russia hold nuclear weapons and hold that threat over the rest of the world is something that we should be taking very seriously and seeking to end that threat as readily as possible. Can you say what when you say that we have to end the threat as quickly as possible? Can you say specifically what should U.S. do? I would like to see them close the airspace. The Ukrainian people would be able to much better combat them if we had closed the airspace. We didn't do so out of fear of a nuclear threat, which really showed weakness on the world stage. It's been said many times before, peace through power and peace through strength and we need to focus on that. It is my personal opinion that when you have an enemy that's down, you don't stop kicking. And that's my view. So if Russia can't just keep kicking, get them down. Thank you. Thank you. Liam, you have the floor. So to back up and think about the history that has brought us to this situation, a lot of it involves expansion of NATO to Russia's doors and the provocation of a situation that was known to be untenable by anybody who knew anything about foreign policy to the Russian people. So if Russia and China were to instigate a coup and support a coup in Mexico and then put biological weapons labs and nuclear weapons and trains soldiers loyal to them on the border of the United States, we would probably react pretty aggressively too. So I do not condone Russia's aggression, but I also want to put it in the context that sees it as a response to the United States belligerent foreign policy that is driven by a war machine that has its grip on our government. Closing the airspace, which Anya recommended, but not wanting to provoke a nuclear war are completely contradictory statements. You cannot have it both ways you cannot shoot down Russian planes and not expect that to escalate to a nuclear war I think that is the most reckless belligerent and naive way to form policy with nuclear power to kick an opponent while he's down and down and down. This is a long held strategy of the United States to use other countries innocent people as pawns and proxies to weaken rivals throughout the globe and I think that is immoral and I wish the United States had a moral leg to stand on by opposing aggressive wars of intervention. I think that we put ourselves in greater danger by showing Vladimir Putin that we would back down because we were afraid of him, and that needs to never happen in the United States and yes the United States has a history of going into foreign countries but let me remind you, we did not invade Ukraine, Russia did. And we are assisting the people and we are trying to end a humanitarian crisis and I would like to see that be successful and not a drawn out conflict like the Vietnam War even Afghanistan we need to make We need to save lives and money by not allowing it to be drawn out for years and years and years. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I will go to Erika very quickly but I want to come back Liam to what you just said. Do you think that Russia did what it did because it was wrong by the NATO? I think it was in response to NATO. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I do not condone their aggressive military action, but I think it would be unwise of us to look at this exclusively as an unprovoked aggression. So how do you call it? I call it a response to years of foreign policy decisions on the United States and Western powers part that we knew would provoke. How do you call that foreign policy? How could we call the Ukraine in the 2014 and supporting the coup at least and pushing the NATO borders up to Russia? What can you call that other than foreign policy? Thank you, thank you. So I will go to Erika but do you support the involvement of the US in Ukraine? Do you support immediate calls for negotiations to end the conflict as quickly as possible? Thank you. Erika, you have the floor. I think both of my opponents have made excellent arguments, some well some good some bad. I do not support the US involvement in Ukraine for many reasons and Liam did speak to the fact that it Russia told us, they told the world that if NATO continued to expand and it continued to expand up to their borders, they would react. And so the aggression that we're seeing has been warned for years and years and years. And when you have the Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris going to meetings with foreign leaders saying that they're inviting Ukraine into NATO and how great that will be. We don't get to be surprised. Again, not saying it's okay, but we don't get to be surprised. And the idea that we should have been protecting their airspace that is an act of war. So we have not declared war in Ukraine on Russia we have not put ourselves as part of this war, yet we've sent billions and billions of dollars to a foreign government that Joe Biden himself was incredibly corrupt and could not be trusted. So not only did we participate in provocation of an aggressive country that does not like us. We also are participating in war and so I think Liam was right to say that protecting the airspace is a irresponsible suggestion from Miss Tino that is an act of war. And I suppose now we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden knows what corruption is and take his word for it. Joe Biden, supporting shooting down Russian planes is an act of war, no matter what way you slice it you can't blame, you can't blame your words on Joe Biden. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The part about Joe Biden referring to corruption in Ukraine he's called it a corrupt government. I don't think that that is an accurate depiction of a government if Joe Biden has said that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. If you have a follow up for me that would be great. Yes, I have a follow up for you and thank you. Do you Are you comfortable with Russia taking over Ukraine and just make it part of Russia, Russia, Russia Federation. I am not okay with countries invading other countries. I do not think that's okay. I also do not think it's okay for the United States to play world police over and over and over again, the United States has participated in regime change wars. And it is never good for us, and it's not good for the people that we leave behind. Maybe South Korea and Vietnam might might be different conversations, but even those conflicts were an absolute nightmare and devastating to the people that we were supposedly protecting as well as American citizens and we should be very careful where we put our money and our troops. So you have no business whatsoever in letting us get involved in what happened in another part of the war. Unless we have some strategic special interest where we have to protect our own assets or or our own people. I think there is, we should not be spending hundreds of billions of dollars without a declaration of war. So this whole thing is just is not good the way it's been dealt with. Thank you. Thank you. Let me just since since you kind of like disagree. Let me just give you time one minute to ask each other questions. Yeah, if you have your two opponents, if you have a question for any of them. So I apologize if I if I put words in your mouth I thought you have you have described yourself as a pro life conservative before Erica, how would you how would you characterize yourself. I am a pro life conservative that is accurate. However, what I have also said is that 7068% of Vermonters don't think there should be any restrictions in the first trimester. So I don't want to go to Washington and beat people over the head with a Bible or my my personal values in all of these circumstances. I am not just going there to represent Eric heretic and my personal values and my personal beliefs. I'm going there to represent Vermonters. And that being said, my foundation the foundation for my beliefs and my politics is the Constitution, I am a constitutional conservative. And that's what I call myself. That's why when asked, I said I would not support a federal abortion ban, because I don't believe it's the place of the government to be making those decisions. So, there are plenty of Vermonters who feel the same way that I do, and maybe don't call themselves pro life, but have the same values that I share. Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you for the question, Liam. Thank you. Now, Erica, you have time to ask each of your two open and a question. Thank you, a call. My question is for Anya. Earlier in the campaign, so back in, I can't remember if it was maybe December, or it was before everyone announced, I called everyone who had run for office previously anyone who had run for the House, Senate, and I asked them if they were intending to run again this year, because I wanted to help the Republican Party and I wanted to fill in any gap that there might be whether it was in a statewide race a federal race or whatever. And I called you and I asked you if you were planning to run again and you told me no. And because you said no, I started my campaign and we started working on it. And so I'm curious why it is that after having a conversation and discussing it, letting you know what my plans were, you decided to run anyway. In that conversation, I do remember it very well that you had called me that evening, and you had told me that you were interested in running for Secretary of State's office, which I was supportive of. And you had asked me if I was going to be running for Congress and I told you that I had not made a final decision yet. I did not say that I was not running and I told you that I was not interested in running for Secretary of State. Those were my exact words. I never said that I was not running for the US House of Representatives. I said that I was not running for the Secretary of State's office. Thank you. Now you have the floor on your to us. Each of your two opponent. I know that. I know that's the area I want to come back but let's you have the floor. No follow-ups got it. Thank you. I will pose this question to both of my opponents. Do you believe that allowing a foreign power to be aggressive without being checked places the United States in greater danger of being addressed upon. Yeah. Yes. I think the United States has the best military in the world, the strongest military in the world. I do not feel threatened by Russia, and I don't feel like their actions in Ukraine. It's, it's not in simplistic black and white of either shoot down their planes and cause a nuclear war or do nothing, but I do think the best interest of the Ukrainian people and the people of the world bring this to the negotiating table and end the conflict as soon as possible, even if it means that someone we deeply disagree with and has been the bully gets away with something that we wish they didn't. It's not as simple as the United States is is threatened or weakened in the world by doing what is in the best interest of the innocent people involved. Thank you. I agree with the sentiment piece through strength. Really, the Biden administration lacks the ability to demonstrate strength. And we saw that with the pull out of the Afghanistan war, when we left billions and billions of dollars worth of war equipment behind left people behind allowed 13 Marines to be killed. The administration does not have the ability to do that. And so this idea that somehow now we can restore some sense of, of reasonableness on the stage, I think is is unwise and irresponsible. Thank you. Let me just, let's second round. One more question for each of you if you have a follow up question for each opponent. You have a first, and just be brief we're running out of time. You said one more question for each other question very quickly. Yeah. Okay. Anya, I, it, I heard your answer. But I think it's strange that your rebuttal. I called you and asked if you were planning to run for Congress again, if my intention was to run for Secretary of State. I was under the impression that evening that you were exploring your options and that you were leaning towards the Secretary of State's office, and they were asking me if I was interested in that seat, to which I replied that I was not. Just the conversation as I remember it. And I, I never stated that I was not interested in US House you can ask anybody who knows me within the party. I have turned down offers to run for many different seats to run for this one because it's where I feel that I will be most effective for the people of Vermont and the nation. Thank you. That's your question. If you have one. Sure. I would like to ask Erica, why it is that she has continually gone around to the media circuits and misquoted me about working with the Democrat Party, because what I had stated that day was that I was perfectly willing to have people across the aisle as long as they were coming across to join me in voting for bills that would help Vermont and the United States, and you have continually said that I have said I would not work with Democrats when that is not what I stated. What I recall hearing you say was that you would work with people if they'll work on your stuff, what you want to do. And I think that that is an unwise stance to take, because there are many, many people in the United States Congress who are liberty minded who want to see a restoration of constitutional rights and separation of powers who want to see term limits, single issue bills and things like that. And so this idea that if they don't come to me and want to participate in my stuff is not what Vermonters and what the United States needs right now in their representatives. They are willing to participate in bills that help Vermont and the nation, then I won't be joining them. That is what I stated. It's not my stuff. It's the people of Vermont and our countries. And do you believe that Democrats and progressives might have something good to offer to Vermonters in the United States. I've not seen anything recently but I'm open that they could change. Thank you, thank you. So Erica, I've heard you repeatedly rely on a mantra of just being skeptical that the government can really do anything of value to people and if, if you were invited to office or elected to office you would basically just try to step out of the way and let people know that there are a lot of lives, which I think is a is a nice ideal but I'm wondering when we have a health care crisis we pay more for health care in this in this country than anywhere in the world, and we have some of the sickest people and skyrocketing rates of chronic disease. I do square the fact that the Republican Party has offered nothing in in service to actually replacing Obamacare what is your vision for actually helping the millions of people in this country who have health care needs and they're squeezed out of a marketplace. I have not said that there's no role for the government and that people need to just govern themselves what I've said is that I want to encourage people into self governance, which means participating in their government. They need to do that they need to tell the government what they want what they need what their expectations are. So I just want to first address that and be and be very clear if that was not previously. Do you think there are a lot of reasons not to trust the government and and health care is a great place to not trust the government. I had affordable health care before the Affordable Care Act my husband had health insurance before the Affordable Care Act. And what we've seen in this nation is is is that is the ACA actually helped skyrocket prices. The pharmaceutical companies being able to charge whatever they want, hurting American people. I think we need to see I think there could be a role for the government to crack down on pharmaceutical companies. The FDA needs to do and the CDC need to do a better job of making sure they're not letting cancer causing drugs on to the market that hurt people more than for the the the symptoms that they're taking the drug for our system is so broken. And the idea that we can just, if it's this broken, let's just throw more money at it and then think that somehow that's going to solve it. Most doctors that I talked to think that if we could decentralize health care, if we stopped relying on insurance companies to pay for everything. If people were responsible and could have affordable preventative care that they can pay out of pocket or with an HSA or with things like that, that we could lower costs sorry a call I see you. I'm only in a tiny box on my screen right now it's hard. Thank you, thank you. We have just left with led all more than five minutes so I will give each of you one minute to just make a closing statement, and just go ahead, Erica, your one minute close closing statement. I think the most important thing to consider in this election, whether it's in the primary or the general election is for Vermonters to not look at the letter behind a candidate's name, but to actually look at their, their policies, what they hope to vote, what they're going to fight for when they go to Washington. Do they agree with you do they share your same values that they want Vermont to be an affordable safe place to live. Do they have the experience practical real world experience to help create change. Do they understand the things that you've been through that you've struggled and strived against. Let's just pick a letter, because it sounds good. Don't just pick someone because they have cute platitudes, pick someone that you believe will fight for you in Washington. Thank you, Liam, your one minute. My mission is to help us realize that we do not need to go along with the insanity of throwing the same solution at the problem that never seems to work which is just changing the players and changing the players and never changing the rules of the game in fact I think it's our moral duty to recognize that we need a fundamental restructuring so that the people can be more involved, and not parties that are controlled by elites dividing us and and don't solve our problems. And I think in order to undertake a task this enormous and scary. We need to vastly improve our tools for solving collective problems, and we need to do that through independence from the two party paradigm. So, I'm asking people to trust that someone who has risked his life for this country and risked his life to make sure this country does what is right is not just in it to talk and is not just in it to say things that he hopes people believe I am willing to risk what is most valuable to me to create a government that actually solves our problems and actually holds our society together and helps us become something more beautiful. Thank you. Anya US, your last minute. First of all, thank you for hosting wonderful job. Thank you to the other candidates for joining me this evening. And thank you to the participants I hope that this was informative for all of you. I asked that all of you, regardless of where you stand politically get out and vote because it's very important to vote, preferably in person on August 9 from the primary. I'm your candidate. If you care about border security if you care about fiscal responsibility if you care about affordability and ending inflation. If you care about funding the police and protecting our country and our communities of pro military. I am all of these things I have practical experience doing all of these things within committees already. And I will take that experience and my business experience and my marketing experience and I will go to Washington DC and I will fight for you every single day. And I will make sure that what I am legislating is in your best interest and in the best interest of the United States of America. And this as long as it takes to make sure that we get where we need to be. And then, if, if in two years you've changed your mind about having a Republican candidate you're welcome to vote again. But Republican candidates are the way to solving the problem that we are currently in. And I look forward to being that representative for you in Washington. I'm going to go into the general election to combat the Democrat opponent that I'm likely to face. I have a plan in place and I look forward to it. Thank you very much. Have a great evening. Thank you so much to the candidates. I appreciate the fact that four of you came here on the air to have this discussion on channel 17. I'm from the town's meeting TV, and I hope the Brumantes listen to this forum, and they have informed, they have been informed and they will make informed decision on August nine on who they will elect, or who they will actually vote for to pay the Democrat in the national election. So general election. So thank you so much. And I look forward to seeing you again in the next round of the forum. Thank you. Have a good night.