 Let's give Roger control and start the show. Maybe that's how we'll start our videos from now on. It'll all, it'll have a dual purpose of giving me a regular open to the show and reminding me to give Roger control of the screen. Do you think I should download the beta? I was wondering about that. Very long time since I've downloaded a beta OS. I rely on my machine for so much more that I used to that I didn't do the beta last time but I've got, I think I might. I don't think I'm gonna do it on my phone though. I feel like at this point I really only use my laptop as like a mobile computing and like Shopify machine. So I feel like I might be able to do it. Wait, which OS? Sorry. Mac OS Sierra and iOS 10 Roger. Well, I don't have any iOS devices. Well then you won't be downloading that beta. Nope. I will not download the Sierra one either. Is everybody else running around with Pokemon? Pokemon Go? I caught one in my lift yesterday. Really? Yeah. It was sitting next to you? It was on the window sill. Huh. It's kind of brawl. What if it was driving? At the bar and there were none around. It was on the street? Yeah. Cheats, cons, windows and tricks. Yes, so I think we're good. I think we're great. Tomorrow's guest, Darren Kitchen and Len Peralta? Mm-hmm. Darren Kitchen, what a just a beautiful man Darren is. He's a gem. Just a real sweetheart. Stand up guy. Does a great bird imitation. They're great. I love them. Well, did you see that his snap from earlier yesterday had Shannon doing a bird imitation? Oh yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. That was them, cause I was giving Darren a shout out. Right, right and he got excited about the shout out. He got excited about the shout out so he and Shannon did the Dr. Bird imitation. We've got a couple of minutes before I really need to start the show. So I wanted to show off my current geek shot glass that I got yesterday. Oh snap. Yeah, I tell you what, we might need to figure out some what's it called. So wait, you are doing CreateCon. Yes. Gotcha. And then officially, is your Labor Day announcement? I am not doing, no, we talked about it on Sword and Laser. I will not be at DragonCon this year. Not yet. Yeah, I will be in Korea. Oh shoot, really? Yeah, Korea and Japan. Is that like a vacation thing or? Yeah. Hey, nice. So yeah, we gotta talk to you about shows and stuff over that period. Gotcha. I'll be away, I'll be away. But we should probably do this show first. Should we? Or should we talk schedule first? We can do that, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. I mean. Yeah, oh yeah. These are all traditional, but. Well, the first anniversary is paper. Tradition. All right, here we go. This episode of the Daily Tech News Show is brought to you by me. If you'd like to bring the next episode to yourself, go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support to be part of the show. Let's do this, Tom. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, July 7th, 2016. I'm Tom Marry, joining me on Thursdays. Justin Robert Young, coming to you live from downtown Oakland-ish. How's it going, Justin? Oh, we're bringing you from the heart of Oakland's news district to your living room. This is me. Is that the new name for your neighborhood? Oakland's news district? You know, I've always, for whatever reason, I've always liked that name, like the idea that there would be a news district. It just always tickles. Well, yeah, I guess Fleet Street is that for London, right? And I don't know that there are any others like that. Well, when I used to live in New York, I was always just delighted by how many districts, and it didn't matter if there was one store there. It was just like, ah, yes, like the Flint Rubbers District, but there's one store that sells Flint or something. Oh, we're gonna talk about news today. Pew Internet Research has got some new numbers on where you're getting your news hints. If you're young, it's social networks. If you're old, it's television, or maybe even newspapers, if you're really old. We're gonna talk about what that means and what your responsibilities as a consumer are now that you've got these infinite choices on the internet. Mac OS Sierra and iOS 10 betas are coming from Apple today at beta.apple.com. Remember, they're betas. So go in at your own risk. Here are some more top stories. Android Police reports its sources say Google is building two Android Wear devices for release after the next wave of Nexus phones. One watch, codenamed Angel Fish, would have LTE built in as well as GPS. The other, called Swordfish, would not have those two things, but both of them would have heart rate monitoring and integrated Google Assist so that you could talk to it. Swordfish, Angel Fish, codenames probably won't stick around, but it's interesting, Justin, to see Google making steps towards even more product manufacturing. They're not manufacturing it themselves, but this is a Google-made product, not something that is the norm with Android Wear, which is them saying, hey, these are the line of Android Wear watches out there. That is the path forward for them. And I hope that Angel Fish, Angel Fish is the one that I'm very excited about, because it obviously is the promised land future of smart wearable devices that they can off, they can activate autonomously, and they're not necessarily tied to something else. I hope that it is what we hope it is, and not just a stopwatch that counts down the five seconds that the battery will last while LTE and GPS are both enabled. Now, we have an interesting situation with Google and hardware going on, that I just alluded to, obviously, there are people who make their Android devices without Google's approval. They don't get the Google Play Store and all that. That's being litigated in parts of the world like Europe. There's people who make it with approval. They have to have the Google Play Store and the Google Search Engine, et cetera, but otherwise everything is determined by the manufacturer of the phone or the device. Then there's the Nexus devices, which don't get to put anything extra on them. They're like Microsoft's signature editions. They're done with the cooperation of Google, but HTC makes them or Huawei makes them. Now, we've got the Pixel C, and by the way, thanks to Chris for sending us a Pixel C, which is all Google. By the way, best Android tablet I've ever used, the Pixel C. If Google does follow the rumors and starts making their own versions of phones themselves, not Nexus devices, but devices designed by Google and watches as well, does that mean that Google becomes more like Apple or can Google continue to straddle this line of four different ways of doing things? Google just wants market share. That's what the entire Android Play has been from the very, very beginning, is let's figure out the way that we can get the most Android phones in the hands of the most people at any cost. So let's make these deals with manufacturers so they can slam them with bloatware despite the fact that part of the appeal of the iPhone was that it comes without bloatware, right? Except for the stuff that Apple puts on it. Now, you might just see an evolved situation where if you look at these manufacturers and you said, hey, look, if we came out with our own stuff, what would you do? And the manufacturers, by and large, would probably just say, I don't know, keep putting out these same phones that we're putting out because there's still a moneymaker for us and the market is so crowded anyway that we're all in these very specific niches and you doing something that would be the higher end of a Google Android phone does not necessarily hurt us. And we're all not waiting in line to make the Nexus this year as opposed to next year. So I don't think it is quite the scandal that it would have been, let's say, five years ago where things were a little bit more delicate. It's a mature system now and Google just going out and making proper Android phones just kind of makes sense to fit into that ecosystem. Yeah, I mean, in a certain sense, it may take the pressure off other manufacturers like we can't really do these phones anymore. So maybe Google taking it convinces them to get out of the market. Remember, this market is stagnating. I think with watches, that's part of what's going on is people just aren't gravitating to watches, not just by Google, but by anybody in the numbers that people expected. So Google may think, well, we can juice this market. We can make this happen. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope. But this Angelfish, the idea of having the LTE and GPS on one watch at this point, to me, has all the hallmarks of a classic Google Icarus move where they just, they put all the things that we wanted. Not the first, not the first watch to go LTE, but I hear what you're saying. Yeah. Avast software, boy, announces intention to acquire AVG technologies for $1.3 billion. Avast cited the need to scale their business into the internet of things market as a primary factor for the acquisition. The combined user base of Avast and AVG will grow to 400 million endpoints, of which 160 million are mobile. And Avast spokesman confirmed the company will still keep the AVG brand. I guess they're an AVG spokeswoman. Not, well, they will be eventually. Big, big move, right? These are two of the top five antivirus makers, among other things. They do more than just that. So a huge combination. And the internet of things needs security. So if we get more firepower towards that, that's a good thing, too. The internet of things, which has been as buzzed about as it has been slow to grow into complete acceptance by our culture. When this stuff goes wrong, a virus in your lights, a virus on your thermostat, is something far different than just having your browser spam into 90,000 different windows for various different products, right? Like, this needs to happen. The antivirus technology on these things needs to be something that is there, especially. Yeah, we should not need antivirus technology. We should have properly secured devices that have intrusion detection on their cloud services so that we as a user don't think about it at all. Or they should not have cloud services, and they should have proper security and firewalls that work on your own router. But yeah, the old Windows XP laptop run an AVG antivirus model is not going to work for the internet of things. You're absolutely right. Especially as we all talk, I think both of us are talking into an always-on microphone in our various Amazon devices, right? Yeah, and I've got some internet-controlled light bulbs. Every once in a while, they do something weird. And I'm like, firmware glitch or hack? Yeah. I've got them isolated. So I'm hoping they're not, I'm pretty sure they're not going to become a vector into something else. But I don't trust the manufacturers to have secured them yet. And by the way, nor should you. Yeah. Starting July 11, Facebook will allow a small percentage of users in India to download video for offline viewing. Videos can only be viewed within the Facebook app. I mean, obviously there's workarounds to everything, but that's what it's designed to do. And publishers can choose not to allow the offline viewing if they so desire. What do you think? And my instinct on this is to say, this has to come to broader markets. And if they are testing it with India, the idea of spotty internet connections ruining an experience is something that I think. I mean, there's spotty internet and there's spotty internet. In India, what they're dealing with is not just spotty internet, but expensive data. And for somebody who's like, hey, I'm at home, I'm on the Wi-Fi, or better yet, I'm at work on their Wi-Fi, I can download this and watch it on the way home without incurring data charges. That's a big advantage. I think in places like the US, that is not as much of a concern. And Facebook is more into let's make sure that you are doing the experience right. Because downloading for offline viewing is always going to be a little clunkier than just the live stream as intended. So is this Facebook leaning back to different countries that are not as far along in terms of ubiquitous internet and saying, okay, will you guys get this until you get up to speed in hoping that these markets outgrow it? Or do you think that there will be a spot in countries like America and Western Europe and Eastern Europe that has faster internet than we do, that there is a space for downloading video and watching it later? I don't think so. I think Facebook is probably like Netflix and others saying, what do we need to do until the internet is ubiquitous? Because we really don't wanna spend a lot of time on designing for a system that isn't gonna be used 20 years from now. It's all a question of timing. And so I think that's why Facebook says, all right, let's test this out in India. Maybe if it works in India, they just roll it out to everybody because hey, it works, it works, why not? But I don't think it's something that is going to be needed in the long term. It's just such a city-based philosophy, right? Like the idea that, oh, well, we'll just wait until everybody has internet everywhere. And it's like, that's just never going to be the case unless you are in major markets. Like, maybe, maybe not, I don't know. I think, yes, your right rural areas are going to be slower to have constant connectivity, but there's more connectivity in rural areas than there ever has been before. You're right. And there's crazy balloon projects and drone projects that can bring entire continents into connectivity. It drives me up a wall. When I would listen to just blowhards like you on CNET and on Twitter, I would just be in my far-flung, only the 15th largest media market in South Florida. And you, Technorati in Silicon Valley would be talking about, oh, jeez, well, it'll be two or four years and everybody will have internet everywhere. And I would shake my fist and I would just say, like, come on, there's always going to be a place where internet goes soft, where it's not as fast, where it just be easier to say, oh, I'll download this, this, this, and this. And so when I'm in the car on the road to grandma's house, I can watch them instead of worrying about others. Sure, sure. Now, I remember hearing you make this argument against electricity back in the early 1900s, you know? There'll never be a place where there's no electricity, so you need to have hand cranks on everything, come on. Listen, when you're coming down to my doomsday prep shelter, then we'll see who's- I love it, that's probably true. 13 Cloverfield Lane. Microsoft CEO Sachin Adela announced Thursday morning that 11-year Microsoft veteran and COO Kevin Tumor will leave the company, oh, sorry, Turner, right? Turner, will become the CEO at Citadel Securities. Turner's job will be broken into five pieces. Turner had been a candidate to replace Steve Bommer as CEO, a spot that obviously went to Satya Mania. Now, interesting, Turner gets to say, it took five men to replace me. I was doing the job of five people. Well, there's a lady in there too. So, yeah, very interesting in many respects. The least controversial is Turner wanted to be CEO, they passed him over for the job. He was a good soldier, stuck around a CEO for a while, and now he's found an opportunity, and publicly, it's all amicable parting of ways. I've seen some scuttle, but maybe he was a little bit difficult to work with, et cetera. Yeah, a lot of chief executive types are. So, that doesn't surprise me that you're gonna have people saying that. But the fact that Sachin Adela has decided to just disperse his empire among five different people and not replace him with a new COO, is very intriguing to me. Is it a Hunger Games thing? Where he's like, all right, you five, let's see which one of you survives to seize the COO pick? Or is he just saying, I don't think we need a COO. Like, let's just not even have that anymore. Well, I think you've hit the two very interesting points of this. Number one, good soldier, Kevin, right? Like, that dude did not, he didn't storm out in a huff. He waited until he got his exact position. You know, if he was difficult to work with, that might have been part of the reason why he got fast over to Sachin Adela. I look at this from afar, without knowing much about the internal workings, and say, Sachin probably is somebody that saw some organizational problems with how decisions got made within Microsoft and said to himself, well, if when I take power, I want to remove some of these organizational problems. And if one of those organizational problems was somebody having too much power or being overloaded and not being able to pay the kind of attention amongst what Sachin Adela believes should each have their own little bosses for their victims that are paying more direct attention to them, then that makes sense to me. But of course, this is all just reading tea leaves in Kremlinology and figuring out whose portrait gets moved more to the right to see who's- Oh yeah, no, there's a couple of people in charge of sales, a couple of people in charge of ops, a couple of people in charge of financial teams, or actually one lady in charge of financial teams. So it is a bit of Kremlinology or Microsoftology or Satyology, Nadelology. Yeah, Rembendology. It's such a world, they just work at it. Making the Rounds is an unfortunately worded email from a Microsoft recruiter inviting people to an annual Silicon Valley party for interns called intern to a Palooza. Words like bae, gnomes, and dranks were written with seeming unfamiliarity with their colloquial usage. A Microsoft spokesperson told Gizmodo, the email was poorly worded and not in keeping with our values as a company. So all right, here's the only thing that I will defend in this letter, which I do feel needs to be mentioned. It starts off like- Yeah, which is better? Is it better for you, the man in his 30s to read this or me, the man in his late 40s to read this? Oh no, all right, here, you have to read it. You have to read it. That's high. All right, here we go. Well, first of all, it's bae interns because bae, they're going to Silicon Valley, the San Francisco Bay, but it's spelled- That's the only thing I was gonna defend. The only thing I was gonna defend was that that's actually kind of clever, is that hey bae, hey bae intern, heart, like, you know, less than three. Hi, I am Kim, a Microsoft University recruiter. My crew is coming down from our HQ in Seattle to hang with you and the crowd of bae area interns at Interna Palooza on July 11th. So far it's not that bad. But more importantly, in all caps and green, we're throwing an exclusive after party the night of the event at our San Francisco office and you're invited. There will be hella noms, lots of drinks, the best beats, and just like last year, we're breaking out the Yammer beer pong tables because everyone remembers what Yammer is, right? And all caps in an orange, hell yes to getting lit on a Monday night. Man, club is going up on a Monday at the Microsoft Bay Area HQ. I mean, besides being first ballot straight to the Hall of Fame for hello, fellow kids, this is just, I mean, all right, so buy or sell on this narrative because this is something that I did see a lot in reading about this article. Is it fair to say that to lump this in with other awkward Microsoft gaps over the last year, including the stuff they did at the Game Developers Conference where they had a bunch of scantily clad women dancing around for what was an otherwise fairly industry party, the Tay AI debacle wherein there was the robot that couldn't stop saying racist stuff after it was compromised by a bunch of pranksters. Is it fair to lump this in and say, wow, Microsoft is really gaffin' it up these days? No, I don't think so. I mean, yes, when you put all those together, Microsoft is gaffin' it up, but consider how many people work there, how many things they create and organize and send out. I am not excusing them in any of these cases, but I don't think it's fair to say Microsoft is gaffy. I do think this was an example of an email that someone glanced at and didn't read all the way. That is how it seems to me, because the first paragraph's okay. The part where it says, Hellenom's lots of drinks easily changed to, there will be great food, drinks, the best beats, and all of a sudden, the gut of this is taken out. Hell yes, to getting lit on a Monday night is a little out of character, but plays on the Hellenom's lots of drinks to really give that, hey, fellow kid's tone to the whole thing. I just don't think it was properly proofread by somebody. Or, and this is, man, the internet and text in general is where context goes to die, because if somebody wrote that, that was between my age and your age or older, and they think it is the funniest thing they've ever wrote, and they send it over to their friends and say, oh my God, we should send this to the interns, it's so funny, we're so old and we're writing this, it's so hilarious, they send this out, and now all of a sudden it's like, oh my God, you're old, you're doing this, ironic, you're so out of it. Or what if it was actually well written in colloquial language, and then someone edited it down to the point where the little bits of language that are left in stick out like a sore throat. That's another scenario. What if it were written normally, and then they just change it to a different font, like wingings? Maybe it was written by the bot, by Tay. Yes, maybe it was, yeah, Tay and one of the dancing girls from the GDC party went out. I think we cracked it. Some great drinks and the best beats, the next thing you know, this pops out. Yeah. Audible launched a new service today called Channels, which includes news and podcasts from the likes of the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and The Onion, among others. But more interestingly, Dance Savage is a host of exclusive podcasts to their service. Channels are available to subscribers in Audible's audiobook plan or as a standalone service for $4.95 a month. Tom, this looks like Audible, which is now an Amazon company, taking a bit of a page from Amazon's Prime service and saying, hey, look, we just want people to subscribe here, let's make this as sweet as possible by creating other content, but instead of launching Audible exclusive books by way of authors, they're taking kind of an interesting route and saying, all right, well, what about podcasts? Something that will make you come back week after week after week. Dance Savage is about as big of a name as you're gonna get for something like that. Do you think this will pay off for Audible? Yeah, from that perspective, it's interesting. Audible is saying, hey, these are people who listen to audiobooks. They are listening to the spoken word and when their audiobook ends, they switch over to another app to listen to podcasts and things. Let's keep them in our ecosystem. So if you're already paying $14.95 a month or more, you get these podcasts. It's like free stuff. It is interesting to me that they're also trying out a $5 a month subscription to just get the podcasts. That is similar to Podiversity's business model where they say, hey, we'll bring people into our app and you pay a little bit and we split up the money amongst them. I don't know what the royalty situation is for podcasts involved in this. We're not involved with it. That's my bigger problem with this and Spotify and others is taking podcasts which have traditionally just been an open, like here are all the podcasts in the universe. iTunes has a very open way to get them in. Pocketcast has a very open cast, has a very open way. You can get into any of those and saying, actually, we're gonna curate. We're gonna shut it down. Maybe that's what people want. I don't know. People want good content. If Dan Savage's show on exclusive to Audible is as good or appealing to Savage Lovecast listeners, then they might be more willing to jump over the fence and subscribe to Audible. I just only wish that Audible had maybe bought in some ads on podcasts sometimes within the last 10 years. So people do what it was. Yeah. About their service. Sure, sure. Finally, Mixed Martial Arts Promoter UFC will offer an ultra HD 4K stream of its Saturday pay-per-view event in Canada and the United States. The viewers will need a 2015 or 2016 4K Ultra HD TV and the UFC app and then they can pay the $60 for the HD stream and watch it in 4K. Or if you have 4K service from Direct TV and you have access to channel 106, you can pay Direct TV $65 and use whatever TV is already hooked up to your Direct TV. This is an interesting story for me because I cut the cord last week. Since we last talked, I don't know if you've noticed this about me, but I noticed you looked a little thinner in the cord area. Yeah, we cut the cord as far as cable. That is gone. We now have Sling. One of the things that I know I've talked a lot about Andrew Zarian of the guys from Queens Network, specifically when it comes to streaming WWE pay-per-views, is quality. They're just, it is not as good as the HD stream from your cable company if you are streaming from an online service. What is interesting to me is that UFC, which is going to debut this during their, probably what they hope to be, their biggest pay-per-view ever, UFC 200, wherein Brock Lesnar makes his triumphant return to the octagon. They want to put quality on the line for people who are buying this without a cable subscription and without a pay-per-view provider. This is going to be interesting, this is something that I'm curious to follow and any listeners who are going to buy this, I'm curious to see how this stream goes on Saturday because there still is this lingering problem with over the top services that, sure you get all the freedom, that's great. It's often a little cheaper on price, but you gotta kinda deal with a little bit of that crinkly and a little bit of that a re-resolution issue with stuff. It's not quite the easy hand on the tiller stream that you get from cable. And if I made this more confusing to simplify it, it's the UFC app on a Sony 4K TV or Direct TV's 4K service. Those are your two choices for this. Yeah. Thanks to everybody that participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com, TG Stellar did, Renegade UK did, another Jay Martin lost packet more. Get on over there to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. That's a look at the top stories. All right, Pure Research Center, study on news attitudes and practices in the digital era, which they did a similar study a couple years ago, so they're doing some comparisons here. Find, generally, TV's still the most widely used place that people get their news. People like to watch television, but TV skews older and is dominant among people who prefer to watch, not read. That makes sense. 46% of people they surveyed prefer to watch their news, 35% prefer to read, and 17% prefer to listen. However, this is a very generational habit. Young people read less news than older people, which has traditionally been true for a long time, but they also get their news online much more frequently than older people. 50% of people 18 to 29 get their news online, whereas only 29% of people 50 to 64 get it online. 72% of the US adults get their news from phone in 2016 versus 54% in 2013, though most still get it from both desktop and mobile. That's interesting because mobile is where everybody does their social networking, and Facebook is the dominant social platform for news consumption. Social media garners the least trust, but it is the highest used among the people who are online and getting their news. They get their news from Facebook when they get it online, but only 4% of them have a lot of trust, and it's low engagement. Only 26% click often, 16% like often, and fewer comment or discuss. So when you look at this from the 10,000 foot view, Justin, yeah, you're seeing at the 65 plus range, people still read newspapers because that's the era they grew up in. God bless them. When you're in the 50 to 64 year old range, they still read some newspapers, but it's mostly TV because that's the era they grew up in. Get a rocket brain. When you're in that 30 to 49 year old range, there's some online, still mostly TV, very little reading newspapers. Young people, however, very much getting their news online and reading it online versus television and newspaper. So when you look at that spread, you're like, yeah, okay. People who grew up in the age of newspapers still read newspapers. People who grew up in the age of TV still read TV. People growing up right now in the age of online or doing online. What does that mean for TV and for newspapers? I think we all know the answer. Well, if you're looking at news, then you should not be shocked that when you watch 24 hour news channels, even the ones that are growing about how many people are watching them, all the ads are for a medical alert bracelets and a buying gold and being able to pre-play for your funeral plot. They know who they are talking to and they are an aging demographic. But what I find most interesting is this idea that are there consequences to us getting our news from social media? So let's take it as read that this trend continues and television will migrate to the internet, right? And social will continue to become a more dominant way that people share the news. I don't know that that's such a good idea. Now, granted, people don't trust the news they get on social networks and people generally, they don't trust the news they get from their family and friends very much either. But that means they're not trusting almost anything they read anymore and you are also risking the likelihood that you'll be living in a little bit of a bell jar and you'll only follow the people that will send you the news that you agree with. Yes, although I would argue with you that let's not be so quick to discount the fact that people don't trust the media that they read as a bad thing because I think you and I probably on this topic, the one thing that we probably can agree on is that people need to be more thoughtful with their intake of news that you should think about context. You should think about where you're getting stuff. You should think about whether or not that headline is misleading. You should understand that the sources for which you are reading probably have a bias if they only repeat the same kind of talking points over and over and over again and don't publish stories that contradict what they are saying. So I don't know if that's a bad thing. If more of that is happening, maybe that's a net positive. Also, I don't get my news from social media because I don't think I am going to get good exposure. I go and I seek out particular sources that I have curated myself and that I trust because what I see, when I see something even come across Twitter, I don't really use Facebook so that's probably a bad example for me, but on Twitter, I see things come across rare instances. Are they breaking news like unfortunately last night where yes, that is a source of news for me, but 99% of the time, what I'm seeing on there, I'm like, eh, is that for real? Is that overhyped? And I go to my own sources to verify it. I don't think most people do that though. Most people just look at a headline and start reacting from that. They don't even click. Wait a minute, hold on. People just read a headline? I know, right? Yeah. It's shocking. It's not like they ever did that in the grocery store line, I know. Yeah, I mean, so like, you know, this is new boss, same as the old boss, right? The only thing that's different is like, yes, now you can get mad at the columnist that politically disagrees with you of your choice as opposed to just the one that your newspaper decided to do. But you can also go find out what really happened. Yes. You can also take, you have an infinite number of sources. When you only had two newspapers, a television network, three television networks and a few radio stations, your sources were limited. Now, you can choose. You can take the responsibility to go find out, well, okay, what really happened? Where's a good source to get this? So wait a minute. Let me lay down my sword and shield here. I thought we were here for a fight. Like, are you on my side that this trend is not necessarily the end of the world? There's so many people, you know, I don't think the trend away from television, radio and print is the end of the world because online gives you more sources. I do think the trend of saying, I'm just gonna look at my Facebook feed or my Twitter feed to find out what's going on, is not enough. It is just, that is old boss, same as the new boss, new boss, same as the old, whatever you said. It's that again. I don't, I think maybe you're right that that's just a problem that's always existed and here it is in a new form, but I would plead with people, don't click the like button on the Cobra Eats a Lion video. Like, don't use your social network as a feed for news. Well, is there something inherently wrong with that? Why is that wrong? Is that wrong? I mean, because listen, Facebook, and Facebook to their credit, right, has tried to curate relationships with good news sources. I remember when they went to the Washington Post, the Washington Post made one of their first big presences on Facebook. They have even gone so far as to put money, give, put money in the pocket of news organizations, and listen, you can probably snicker at, you know, what we consider a news organization these days, but to make live video, to make video content so people can fill their feeds there and have this be a place where news is delivered to their users. Like, they have tried to cultivate this place and the fact that it's showing up in this pure research is validation for them, that they have tried to bring, you know, news outlets into Facebook. What is inherently wrong with, and I'll use an unfair example, what is inherently wrong with the Washington Post trying to garner as many likes as they can on their page so they can pop up more often in somebody's feed? Yeah, I think the problem that I have is you, again, you've taken one evil and replaced it with another, and evil's probably too strong of a word, but you've taken, we need to get eyeballs on TV, so we're gonna create the 24-hour news cycle and we're gonna have controversial head-to-head debates on things that are very simplistic and oversimplify the issues and now you've created a clickbait and SEO as the driving forces of news. How do we rise in the news algorithm? How do we gain the system? And I think we're still searching for the system that says, hey, what encourages people to actually take responsibility as readers for what news they consume rather than laying back and letting the networks or the search algorithm or the Facebook algorithm determine what it is they see? I guess I just have a hard time getting, thinking that this is in any way a material down step from where we had it. Like, yes, it's messier. Yes, it is easier for you to create your own echo chamber. Yes, you can have, I know we both personally have talked to each other about how frustrating it is when somebody comes out and says, well, everybody's talking about this on Twitter or Facebook and it's like, no, your sources that you have curated over time are all talking about this and many of them are feeding an echo chamber from each other, but all that being said, I don't have a problem with it just being the way, if that's what it takes for us to get more sources, for us to get more varied sources, then that's just gonna be what it is. It's a blessing and a curse, right? It makes it easier to lay back, but it also makes it easier to go find something. So it puts the burden squarely on the reader. I mean, you can throw stones at the media all day long and in some cases, you're very right to do so, but in the end, you actually do have the controls over which stuff you're going to go find and what you are going to support with your clicks and your eyeballs. I think the only thing that we can both agree on is multiple sources. If something seems, if Snake eats lion is the thing that you see there and you're like, man, that seems a little weird. Maybe that's fake. Google's your friend, man. Go ahead and poke around a little bit. And pay attention to which stories you read that turn out to be, oh, that really wasn't true or they misled me with the headline. Stop reading them and pay attention to the sources who continually and maybe not without fail but continually strive to say, let me tell you what is actually going on. It's definitely one of the things I rely on. It's the reason that I have a very heavily curated RSS list for doing this show is so that I know like, okay, well, if they're saying it, it's probably true. I'm still gonna go see what a couple other people are saying about it. But I have a higher level of confidence than if it comes from Fly by Night blog over there, which I'm not Fly by Night blog that I don't know because that might just be an up-and-coming cool blog but Fly by Night blog that I've been burned by several times before because they don't do a very good job. Oh, Tom, you've just figured it out. R10 Cloverfield Lane. It is newspapers by gone era, TV on the way out. On the way up is the social networks but not for us. For us, with our carefully curated RSS feeds, we sit here and we feel that we have found our nirvana and we will cling to it no matter how many Google readers go down with the key to it. The key to it is always be open to the news sources. Don't let it stay. Yeah, always. Yeah. I've kicked people off my feed too that I used to trust. I'm like, name some names. Who have you kicked off? Digitimes. That's probably there. Shots fired. Digitimes. Sorry, Digitimes. You have great headlines and really interesting sources that say things that 50% of the time don't pan out. Oh, damn. It's just one of those things, you know? On blast. I'm just going to pour a little out for Digitimes. Pour a little out for the Digitimes. All right, let's get to our messages of the day. Bill and Huntsville Alabama shared a cool story. When we were talking about electronic games, it reminded him of a situation where he worked in the 1970s. Says, first of all, I found out very early that I'm not cut out to play games that require hand-eye coordination. But in 1975, I hired in as a programmer at a facility who was a major producer of point-of-sales terminals. Now, the big fat at that time was Pong. A small group decided they could make a clone of Pong. They designed the unit and were running it through the main production line of the facility. I don't know if they were doing it just for personal use or planning to sell it as a knockoff, but needless to say they were caught and everyone in the group was fired. These days, that company would have just hit it. What was this about yesterday? Huh? What was this about yesterday? We were just talking about the history of games with Scott Johnson. Oh, that's great. That's a fun little story. Yeah, it's a great story. And then, Charlene and a few others reminded us that Niantic, the makers of Pokemon Go, the new augmented reality Pokemon game, is also the company behind Ingress. Niantic actually is using locations that they seeded from Ingress locations. So if you're wondering, like, why does Pokemon Go have some of those weird locations? That would be why. Ingress, the game that I very reluctantly never got into, despite the fact that as a career traveler, I would have been an all-star at Ingress. I could have dominated. And to this day, it is maybe my greatest regret. 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We have Koo, COO, Chief of Optional Operations. Hela Noms provided by Microsoft. A virus in your lights. Hela Dranking with Microsoft. Let me see. Where's the new stuff? First, Rise of the Planet of the Algorithm. Oh, extra, extra, extra, read all about it. Really, read it. Headline. People just read the headline. I don't know, it's pretty funny. You won't believe the headlines in our discussion section. That's a good one. I'll vote for that one. Microsoft says, hello, fellow teenagers. Greetings, my fellow fifth graders, fellow kids. I've heard people say my fellow kids are like kind of in a mocking tone. Mock, mock, mock. Google watches the Google watches. Prep and the prepper, we need Silicon Valley Authority. Blame tape. That one, Lincoln Shakespeare for the win. Microsoft Hunger Games, may the bits be ever in your favor? I still like you won't believe the headlines in our discussion section. Although I would make headlines and capitalize headlines and put it like, you won't believe the headlines in our discussion section. Where is that? Why can I not find it suddenly? It's right above headline. People just read the headline. Has one vote. Maybe I can't vote for it again. Oh, vote for it. It got voted up to three. Not enough democracy happening in there. Now, now. It's pretty long. All right, then just headlines. People just read the headlines. This is a good fallback. Where did that one go? Yeah, headline, colon. People just read the headlines. I don't know if you can do colon and titles. Yeah, you can. All right. I'm now going to drop the article, though, and make it headline. People just read headlines. OK. All righty, then. Thank you. Shade says, nice punch up. I don't know if we need to talk to Justin when he gets back about August. Yeah, we do. Such an accursed member of the group. Something happened. Today's show is 2804, right? Today's show, no, it's not. At least Scott has once said we're off on our numbers. Let me see. Let's see, then, 2801. Someone not make a 28 for all to. Oh, I know what I did. Oh, you didn't make a 2800. I didn't make a 2801. No, you did. I can see them, the tabs for the, oh, sorry. You know what, I'm looking at the actual shows on the website. What happened? We got off on our number, and oh, no. Tuesday's show was numbered incorrectly. I don't know how that happened, though. All right, I got to export first. Tom Merritt and Justin Robert Young. It wasn't today today. So this is actually 2803, right? If that is the case, that you skipped one, yes. Well, are you not seeing what I'm seeing? No, I see it, but then I kind of, there's no episode 2801 for July 5th. It's 2802. 2801. There's no 2800 in the doc. So wait, if there was no 2800 in the doc, then how did there be a 2800? I don't know, but it doesn't really matter what's in the doc. That's irrelevant. What's on the website is the actual correct. 2898, 998, 100, and then it should have been 01, then 02 yesterday, and 03 today. All right, that changed those. But the embedded shows will be off the file of the IDT tags. Yeah, there's not much you can do about that. Where are you changing it? I'm changing the older ones. Where, though? I'm starting with 2802. In the bug or in the doc? Oh, I'm doing it in the work. Wait, do you want me to do in the doc, or I'll do it in the doc? I'm just asking you where you're changing it. I'm changing it on the WordPress. Awesome. Thank you. The beats per minute for today's show is zero. Oh, look, Echo lets you pick Spotify or Pandora as your primary music source. This will get Eileen to stop being mad at Amazon Echo. Oh, wait, I always forget, because I have Apple Music, but Ashley has Spotify. Yeah, Eileen has Spotify. I have Google Music. I've got to keep Apple for all those fire exclusives. Oh, we didn't, oh, $20 on this and you had let you out there. I'm changing it in the doc now, just so that it. You know what, I just realized Peter wasn't on Sunday. Right, and I think that might have been what threw us off. Because I'm basing it on the calendar he shared with me. Yeah, but here's the weird thing. I always base the episode number in the blog on whatever's in the actual blog. That's my defense against it becoming a problem. It's like, well, if I always just add one to the previous episode, we shouldn't get off count even if we get off somewhere else. So I wasn't looking anywhere else. I just screwed it up. It's probably because you know what it is. It's probably because you confused it with the headline. I don't know. I don't even have a. Let's just call it human error and fix it. Yeah, it was me. I was being a human. I just want to try to stop myself from doing the same thing again, and I think I was just tired. Daily tech numbering show, yeah. So are you going to switch your Amazon Echo to be Ashley's Spotify and then screw up her Discover Weekly by listening to your own tunes? Yes. Sounds like a plan. Although I don't think she uses. She's not a gigantic music listener. I think she only subs this Spotify for the Twitch approved stuff. Because they have all that on playlists of things that you're allowed to play on your streams. People in the chat room are like, just move on. This is sausage getting made. Sausage. This is sausage. Sausages. No, I'm glad W. Scott has one. You pointed it out. Now we're up to speed. ID3 tags will be off for a few episodes, but that'll just be a thing that happens. Well, just for two episodes. These episode numbers really mean anything anyway. They're totally made up. Yeah. Eventually I'm going to restart it at one and see people know this. That would be amazing. Or we just jumped to 5,000. Well, isn't that what we used to when you number a show? The first number isn't always indicative of the number, but rather the season or the world. Maybe we'll do that. We'll start doing seasonal numbers. It'll be episode 1654, the 54th episode of 2016. We can do that. Or what is this, the fifth or fourth or fifth season, technically, of the show? The third. Third. So it would be 3,016. No, it'd be 3,016, just to give it a lot of headroom for growth. Yeah. That's smart. Ooh, there's a Mr. Robot promo on Facebook Live today that answers a question for us. Yeah, I've got to start watching that. I feel like that'll, god damn it, I've got to, what is the first season, 12 episodes? I think it's only 10, maybe. Yeah, maybe I just got to power through it. And that'll be Scott and I's, our new Watch the Thrones for Hotline Monday. There you go. Watch the Thrones. Actually, no way, it would just be 3. You only need 3 and then a number for the season and then 3 numbers after it. So 4, maybe 5 if you reach 10 seasons, unless there's more than 365 days in a year that I'm not aware of. Sometimes there's 366, calm times. When does Mr. Robot come back? Got to be soon, right? So, I think that's why they're doing these promos and stuff, but I can't remember what day. So update on the house next door. I don't know if some of you can hear hammering and sawing going on. This has been going on since I moved here. This is the fourth time they've remodeled this house. This time they're adding an extra story to it. An extra story, man. I don't know if that area has strict zoning laws about how much city permission you need. Yeah, I don't know either. But people tear down one-story homes and build three-story homes all the time in my neighborhood. That's kind of its thing. To tear down the bungalow or wreck the mansion? Totally. Dave's Paradise put up a McMansion. They're not McMansions, though. They don't all look the same. All right. Mansions. Just mansions. One of these days they're going to come out of their mansions and tell us to get out of their neighborhood. Hey, Justin. Yo. When are you out for DragonCon at August? I don't even know when that is anymore. That would probably be out... I don't know if we have flights. So it would probably be out flying Thursday. So September 1st? Yeah, let me get a... I haven't been to DragonCon in so long. It's pretty expensive from here. What was that? It's really expensive to get there and then stay. To go to DragonCon. It didn't used to be this pricey, but for some reasons... Is it? I don't know. I guess it's just been such a sunk cost for me for a while now. Why don't you just give the month and day... September 5th. So there's a Labor Day in there where we don't have to do a show. That'll actually play into all of that. So that Thursday. Labor Day is a Monday. So, yeah. September 5th. Probably fly on Thursday. If not fly on Wednesday overnight. That'd be out Friday. So you wouldn't be able to do that show September 1st? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we don't have our flights. So if you definitely needed me, then I could be there. I guess it's probably time to start with those flights, huh? Yeah, probably. M-S-F-O. 2-A-T-L. I will fly. Did the wrong one. Let's try the 31st. Flying back the 5th. Okay. We are all ready... for you to download the show. So have at it, RSS people. Go! Go! Best of you watching. Thanks. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Goodbye. Oh man, what are you...