 It's theCUBE, here is your host, Jeff Frick. Hi, welcome, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're at the San Francisco Mission Bay Conference Center in San Francisco on the ground at Node Summit 2015. I think this is the third year of the conference. We were here a long time ago in 2012, so we wanted to come and get an update. The things have changed quite a bit. We're joined here by our first guest, Isaac Schluter, CEO and Supreme Emperor for Life of NPM, welcome. Nice to have you. Nice to be here, thanks. So how'd you get the title? Supreme Emperor for Life, that's a good one. I went into my LinkedIn profile and I typed it. Excellent. So you've been coming for a number of years. I think we said the first one I think was 2012. How's this conference changing three years? I think for the most part it's kind of stuck to more or less the same sort of timbre. The first conference, first one of these was definitely more focused on kind of getting, exposing some of the new startups that we're using NPM and kind of getting them in front of venture capital and getting it exposed more to bigger companies. Now at this point, or using Node rather, sorry. Now at this point, Node is pretty established. There's a lot of big folks using it, a lot of big companies using it. So it's less about showing off the brand new cutting edge folks and more about what's next, what are we doing next and so on. Also at this one now, each one of these, a lot more people know who I am and I end up shaking a lot more hands. That's good. The other thing that struck me, at some of the keynotes this morning was talking about way back in 2013, and how those were simpler and easier times and clearly the move to mobile has increased dramatically. The move to cloud has increased dramatically and really enterprise adoption of these things. So in terms of maybe not necessarily the focus here on the development side, but in terms of the delivery and the application side, I would imagine significantly different. Oh yeah, I mean Node has kind of become the DevOps tool of choice for a lot of folks. It's great for spitting up little services that are really essential to making a service-oriented architecture really work in a distributed modular way. And that's, yeah, I think that's why we're seeing the growth in the mobile space and just in general throughout the enterprise. Right, and then of course you're involved in packaging and one of the things we talk about at theCUBE, we go to a lot of tech shows is where the consumerization OIT, not so much in the way that the apps work, but kind of the expected behavior and the fact that people just download apps to their phone. They don't care what their phone is, what OS it's running on, what system they're on, what carrier, what manufacturer. And now that's really started to move over into the enterprise space. You're involved in packaging. Talk a little bit about how that's evolving and how it's really enabling people to do things easier, faster, better. Well, I mean the key thing that you can do, and what I think is a big part of how and why Node is exploded like it has, is that with NPM and with Node modules, you can have multiple different people building different parts of your application and iterating on them in parallel. And I can go ahead and make a breaking change in my part of the app, but you don't have to pull that change in until you're ready to update your code. So if you're a large company, it actually looks a lot like a very large open source community. And the same kind of patterns that work with a large open source community that allows separate teams to be doing things separately and sort of facilitating very organized communication flows between them also works really well when you're a large enterprise building a multi-faceted SOA with lots of moving parts, you need a way to kind of distribute that management burden out into the different teams to the people who know what they're doing the best. And so that's why Node has grown like it has. That's why NPM has been such a big part of so many developers' workflows. So talk a little bit about NPM and the workshop that you gave earlier today. So the workshop I gave today was basically just, I gave that with Lynn Clark, another employee of NPM Inc. And basically it is a very introductory, you know, getting your feet wet for the first time with NPM. So it walks you through setting up a development environment, upgrading to a latest version of NPM, creating a module, logging into the service, publishing the module, pulling updates. You know, it didn't go through everything you could do but it kind of got users, I think, over that first hurdle of like, oh no, no, that's for other people. You know, we really want everybody who's using Node and everybody who's using NPM and everybody who's using IOJS or whatever to really be a part of the same community and be fully engaged and fully, you know, enfranchised as part of that. And when we come back next year, assuming that they have another show next year, what's going to be the hot topic? What's the big delta that's going to happen, do you think, from this year to next year? What's kind of the theme for 2015? That's a very interesting question. I think that the biggest sort of change on the immediate horizon is certainly Node going to a foundation, which Joyant announced yesterday. And, you know, that's not the end of the road, that's the beginning of a different road with tons of work. So a lot of us have been very involved in working with Joyant to kind of make sure that they're able to do what is best for the open source community and which in turn ends up being best for them as a business. Because, you know, whenever you're involved with an open source community, if you do right by that community, they do right by you. That's generally, you know, how it works long term. So my hope is that, you know, next year we'll have a lot of interesting stories to tell about that project and that process. And, you know, hopefully it'll be even bigger. All right, well Isaac, thanks for stopping by, spending a few minutes. I'm Jeff Frick, we're on the ground at the Mission Bay Conference Center at Node Summit 2015. You're watching theCUBE.