 Hi, from San Francisco, it's theCUBE. Covering Red Hat Summit 2016. Brought to you by Red Hat. Now, here are your hosts, Stu Miniman and Brian Gracely. Welcome back, we're here getting towards the end of day three of live coverage from Red Hat Summit 2016. I'm Stu Miniman, joining me with Brian Gracely, and happy to have on the program first time guest Jose Miguel Parella, who's the open source product manager from Microsoft Azure. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. All right, so your colleague, Joseph Serocha, gave the keynote this afternoon. We actually had him on theCUBE earlier this week down the street at Hadoop Summit, so another open source show. So, it's one of those things I think everybody here is still like, Microsoft's here, and they've got little penguins that says Microsoft, you know, hearts, Linux, and things like that. Tell us a little bit about your job and your role with open source. Yeah, so the penguins were really, really popular, I guess, and a bunch of other things that we had here. It was their first time at Red Hat Summit, but you do see a pattern in these open source events, and I think it reflects on the Microsoft journey with open source and what we have in Azure in terms of an open and hybrid cloud. We have a number of people in the company working on many different areas in open source innovation. We have a very comprehensive approach to open source. It starts with enabling open source technologies, releasing code. Earlier this week we talked about ASP.NET Core, ASP.NET Core, and the support on Red Hat Enterprise Linux in particular, and then also, obviously, contributions to open source, but also integration of open source technologies into first party solutions like Azure Container Service and others. Yeah, it's interesting, the keynote started out with this whole space aspects of what you're doing. We had one of the JPL guys on today talking about the HoloLens type stuff, so how does that fit into some of the things you're doing? Well, I think we talk a lot about the next revolution, next industrial revolution, and what role open source, open data, artificial intelligence, big data plays. I think all of the space theme helps illustrate what you do when you have those vast amounts of things to process and how the theme of open can help you achieve that, but also the cloud, right? Because it offers you that flexible fabric, a scalable fabric, an acrostic lobe, Azure operates today in 32 different regions, 24 of them are online now, so it's really exciting times, but participating at Red Hat Summit, I think it has been critical to think ahead in terms of what our customers want. Customer choice and customer demand is driving a lot of the innovation that we see in the market, and as Joseph said at the keynote, and you know, there are areas where we truly believe that open source R is going to be where statisticians and data scientists are going to be at in fact out today. Yeah, would you walk us through some of the announcements that you guys made this week? Yes, so in the context of Red Hat Summit, we had a number of announcements this week that you'll find in the official Microsoft blog, so I already mentioned .NET Core 1.0 and ASP.NET Core 1.0 and their availability in Red Hat Enterprise Linux. We also announced a template for OpenShift that's available just to easily deploy OpenShift in Azure. So today it's an OpenShift origin template that you can deploy on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. That's actually what we use for today's demo where we demoed SQL Server running on a container at the keynote. We also now support in China, so it's a very interesting partnership milestone. Our partnership started in November, but we're bringing it to the regions where we operate in Azure China. It's a very interesting one. You know that in Azure, we have nearly one in three VMs run on Linux today. In China, actually more than half of our VMs run on Linux. So it's very strong demand, especially in the enterprise for those type of solutions. So those are some of the interesting areas and obviously I think that something that people are really excited today was that we actually demoed the installation process of SQL Server on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Yeah, you talked about a third of the VMs on Azure, to half the VMs. Last week we were at DockerCon. I mean, huge number of demonstrations with Docker. Showing open source integration. What's the things that you're doing to get people to go? In the keynote today they made a statement. They said Azure's the most open public cloud. What are you doing to educate people, to help them understand that Microsoft is really committed to open source, to Linux, to open data. How is that kind of getting out into the world? I think participation in the ecosystem is critical and it's been an incredible year. One year ago we were at LinuxCon in Seattle and since then it can recall a number of events including all things open in Raleigh, actually Red Hat's headquarters. It's participating and committing to that participation I think has been critical, getting out there, getting from the community. Get a lot of our engineers, get a lot of our program managers out there engaging with customers, with partners and with project leaders as well. So those things have been really critical and I also think that communicating and openly discussing our approach to open source in the cloud has been important but also helping customers navigate the open source world has been important as well. If you think of .NET and SQL for example, products that are traditional Microsoft products for the enterprise now increasingly getting closer to Linux in the open source world. Customers are starting to look for the organizations that can help them understand and navigate that world. The other area that you mentioned and you're absolutely right is containers. We have seen since January about the number of customers in containers in Azure has quadruplegated and our approach or portfolio of solutions now is really broad. We started with this little thing. If you have a VM, we'll attach Docker to it and just recently we announced GA of Azure Container Service and in between of that journey we have done partnerships with many things that we have in marketplace with companies like CoreOS. We have full pass solutions like OpenShift available in Azure. So providing that full spectrum lets us talk about the use cases of containers in the cloud. You want to start easy, you have Azure Container Service. Does that mean that you have to give away choice? Absolutely not. You have your choice of swarm DCOS to implement the orchestrator. Do you already have a strategy in place with something like OpenShift and that's perfectly fine. It supports Azure as well and you can move your work. Let's do it. But what are you seeing in terms of uptake? I mean we heard a lot this week about containers. We're doing a lot of work with OpenShift. What are you seeing from your customers especially say the .NET customers in terms of them wanting to build these more sort of modern cloud native applications? Are they comfortable with the idea? Are they beginning to use the tools more and more? Well in the .NET world is still early days. In fact the .NET support in OpenShift is still a few days out. It's one of the things that we were talking about this week. Generally speaking, I think the key has been to offer architectural choices. So you have containers, you want to approach microservices that route, you want to do it with a platform like OpenShift, you want to do it with something else like ServiceFabric for example, you have that route. But if you're still thinking in terms of IS, you're still thinking in terms of VMs and you find you have a sophisticated image management practice. You have images and BHTs that are really stateless if you will then we have things like scale sets. And so with scale sets you can realize a kind of modern next generation applications without necessarily going all in containers. In fact things like Azure Container Service are built on those core capabilities of Azure like scale sets. So I would say that we have a continuum of customers in different stages of sophistication when it comes to those cloud native applications. Jose, talking about applications, one of the things that I think had the biggest ripple effects in the communities I watch is how Microsoft has allowed the movement of some core applications either to cloud enable them and or to support them on Linux. Can you talk a little bit about some of the reasons why Microsoft's doing that and what you see is kind of the future of applications there? Well it certainly is customer demand and what customers, one organizations that support enterprise use cases like Microsoft do. There are many areas where it, like IoT like containers like big data where you definitely see Linux and open source driving innovation. I think it's been a big topic here at Red Hat Summit for sure. And obviously the ability to offer products that the enterprise really like like SQL Server and .NET is only gonna bring good things to the ecosystem. And again, it's a journey, we're learning a lot as well. We've been over 10 years engaging with the open source community in one or another, but I think we're learning a lot for this participation with the ecosystem and the way of doing things and we have so many anecdotes. Through our engagement here at Red Hat Summit, the demo that we showed of OpenShift and how we work with the OpenShift team at Red Hat to make the demo of the keynote happen is just one of many examples. Yeah, earlier this year, Microsoft made an announcement something called Azure Stack, essentially taking Azure, the public cloud being able to instantiate that on premises. Azure cloud is obviously again, like you said, very focused on open source. Will we see that open source focus extend out to Azure Stack as well as it becomes GA later in the year? It is certainly our intention. There are already, just think of it this way, things like Azure Resource Manager templates. We host hundreds of them on GitHub today. Most of them because of the, it's very easy to distribute open source based images for the community. So most of them that are provided by the community already open source solutions. So you want to deploy a data stacks cluster, do you want to deploy a MariaDB cluster? You can do those with ARM templates today. Now with Azure Stack, the promise is that you'll be able to point those templates out to your Azure Stack deployment. Now the question is, where is the image coming from, right? Because in the public cloud is easy to understand. You have a marketplace, there's a billing integration, it's easy for a partner to offer that image. In Azure Stack it's a little bit more nuanced. So customers will have to navigate a little bit of that world of providing your own images from a technology standpoint that is absolutely our intent. In fact, we do have an interesting demo with one of our partners Canonical, just pointing out the Azure CLI, the command line tools, pointing out to public cloud, pointing out to an Azure Stack cluster, it's currently in preview, and it works exactly the same. Partially it's also because all of our SDK and tool strategy has also moved to an open way of doing things. Now we no longer publish the SDK and you hope that it matches the API. We just public a spec for the API and we auto-generate the SDKs for things like .NET and OJS, et cetera, it's called auto-rest. So that lets us have that feature parity across tools that a few years ago it was a lot of customer demand for that for sure. So Jose, I'm curious, what's your take now that you've been working on open source for a while to be able to be out in public more, you're in action with the users? Tell us what that's been like. Well, our participation at Red Hat Summit has surpassed all of our expectations in terms of the excitement that customers, partners, and project leaders have. As I said, it's not only about the squishy penguins that are certainly something that people like or the Microsoft Linux stickers that are also really popular. And I was asking them, what are you doing with those stickers? And they're giving it out to their windows counterparts in the enterprise and just, you know, so we definitely think that's great and that we have more of that pure to pure education on this open source capabilities too. But the engagement has been fantastic. I think we've learned a lot. We've learned a lot about, you know, what enterprise open source needs really, what customers in the enterprise really, really need from an open source provider. And I think what's clear is that in our approach, the partnerships are going to play a key part of it, right? Like Jim Whitehurst said, there's no single vendor that can fulfill all of this needs today. Ask open source, drive that innovation and decision makers to start looking at open source as a critical part of the digital transformation, literally quoting an analyst. I think that they're going to start looking more at vendors like Microsoft and partners like Red Hat to make sure that we deliver on that promise. Well, the only last piece of feedback I'll give you is if you can get those hoodies in the Microsoft store, I think you've got a winner on your hands there. Awesome, we'll do that. All right, we're getting towards the end of three days of coverage here from Red Hat Summit 2016. Thank you to our guests from Microsoft and you're watching theCUBE. Yeah.