 I'm I I'm the whitest of white dudes. I don't rap. I'm on the other side of the state. Okay Yeah, I took that down because it was the wrong thing to do at the wrong time and I was shoving the situation and Lebanon down people Bro, that was not the right thing to do and you learned from your own mistakes So I hid that video. I unlisted it. I Privated it. I I'm not gonna delete it because there's a lot of views on it I don't want to lose those views, but That reminded me because I don't think I don't think Josh or DT shared their worst ones either And if I'm gonna share my worst one, we need to yeah As far as just bad quality, I mean obviously Anything really early on in a channel's history is usually pretty bad be bad audio bad video I mean that'll be the same for everybody Well, I usually the first video is usually really really bad Let me see if I can find it here, but it's super old video. I recorded this way back in the day when you This was I did have hair back then and I have shared this with Zany He's probably seen it. Nobody else probably has but this was My first attempt at a Linux YouTube channel Where I only have ever posted one video and that was me installing Ubuntu, but OBS studio didn't exist yet Ffmpeg was even more black magic than it is nowadays. Mm-hmm Simple screen recorder was the only solution that we had Well easy solution to record the screen back in the day. That's what I used Yeah, and it was literally so it was literally me capturing it on a on a camera on a separate machine you using the good old Lot of tech c920 that had bought just brand new the day before And then it's just me sitting beside a desk Pointing the camera at a laptop That's what matters yeah, I started the same way with the c920 except my problem was the microphone I had at the time was like a It wasn't even a name brand microphone It had made in China on the side, but nothing else. There were no other markings on it And I want to say I probably paid 20 bucks for it. I I don't even know why I had it I didn't buy it specifically for YouTube I just happened to have that microphone and it was just horrible sound like I realized Within the first month or two of doing videos. I had to do something. So I eventually I think I bought a blue Yeti And it was like a million times better than whatever the hell that that microphone was because That's the one thing with with YouTube is people will put up with bad video or even no video As long as they can hear you and you can get your message across but bad audio they turn off instantly like that I got a chat on my channel. I just wanted to shout out fa q to business user Greetings from a Linux noob. I appreciate the super chat. Mr. You just pronounce his name better than I pronounce By There's good news fellas the Linux cast is streaming and it's working my my best Nice job, sir. Good job. I've started streams an hour late before the larry's thing is then we have to work ahead to use hyperland to do it The we've had them before where we tried and actually I was in the Philippines was recently happened Jesse tried and we couldn't even get it to do us. We had to cancel it So DT was DT was in the chat for that one I think because I went live and I came down and went live came down like tried it a couple times and nobody was there and Something was wrong with the stream key And I just couldn't get it to act right Yeah, it's weird that I had that problem today where I'm mine my stream was set to unlisted but But that doesn't happen every time it's just weird that all of a sudden like Somebody goes into the settings and changes it like I didn't do that every time I make a stream It's always public, but that's weird that that one Yeah, yes, you're gonna have to check the chat because I don't have the chat up. So all right. Yeah Yes, my best and worst were you telling me to go next? Yeah Yeah, I'm getting ready to go next in a minute, but Steve's got to say something real quick Okay, I just wanted to say something real quick one one of the Funnest videos of I've made on my channel. Not the best, but the funnest one I've done was one of the episodes of Of zero bites with my boy Jesse here We had some good fun videos Steve we played a game remember zoonotic we played. Yep. It was a season 2 Yeah, we did that season 2 we did the hour stream and then the hour of zoonotic That was terrible at it. I was about to say how good are you guys at first-person shooters? And I was and I made my goal to just do nothing but kill Steve and you did I was doing that with this mouse Hmm Wait, you hold on the last time we played zoonotic and you were like murdering us. Yeah, you were playing with that No, I was actually using a This one, but when I played but when I randomly joined Steve one day on his because he was streaming on his channel I use this one And he massacred me he just Wiped the floor with my stuff with me. So Jesse. What was your what was your best and worst? I Are we are we limited to Linux related videos or all videos that we may have no all videos. Oh man So back when I did door-dash content on snack ops unit My most successful video got me in trouble with door-dash Because we had a snowstorm And I've always done it on a motorcycle or scooter and there was like feet of snow So I just record a tiktok video show in the weather say in something like you know No bonus and a foot of snow f you door-dash. Oh Uncensored completely uncensored and it wound up getting like 5,000 views in two days and the next time I called door-dash They let me know they had heard of it Holy crap, I didn't they weren't allowed to do anything because I was a contractor But it was just like it's one of those things where you forget that stuff actually matters And I wanted them to see it because it was dangerous But I did not expect for them to like tap me on the shoulder like a you know casino pit boss like hey, buddy And you got to be careful when you go after billion-dollar companies because a lot of times You know like a cease and desist. You know you said this you need to take it down or we're gonna see yeah Definitely That sounds like voice of experience right there But best video the the most fun that I think I've had in recent history I spent I spent Thanksgiving on YouTube torment and my friends here and Some YouTube video watchers on the channel eating craft macaroni and cheese ice cream Yeah, wow Yeah, it was probably ever bit of bad as we can imagine Yeah, if you if you guessed that I bought it at Walmart you are correct We did a thing on Total OS today toss. I don't know if you guys know that content creator I used to hang out on some of his live streams start and we had a group get together one time and we were all going to try Vegemite on camera, so we all ordered my job. Oh my goodness some of the faces I Want to start naming off random crap and see if Josh can pull it out of his closet from somewhere because every time you He's always They are talking about Christmas gifts good Christmas gifts Vegemite, that's what I You know what I do with my vision might I take my nuggets and I dip it in the Vegemite I'm unfriending Nuggets I do Tindies Because I was gonna be on an episode of tech or tea with with Brody Yeah, and as soon as I mentioned now that I wanted to do And like the day before we recorded I made the mistake of asking him on on how much of a ripoff Australian I can I can pretend to be and he's just said just don't even try People in my stream are asking if I could link to all the creators here in the description of the video Yeah, I'll do something like that. I may add some links here Obviously, I didn't I didn't know who was gonna be on the stream, you know Just cuz the time zones who's gonna show up. I didn't add a bunch of people and get people's hopes up and then they not be here But yeah, I will do I didn't link anybody in my need it because like I was for the same reason I tagged everybody I'm gonna shame them into being here. Yeah, it's like it's 10 a.m. Here My time zone and I know people on the Pacific, you know, it's 8 a.m You really getting up for a Linux stream at 8 a.m. That's iffy, you know I read Matt's description Matt was excellent. I love the fact he said. Oh, thank you Matt He said something about how you know where it's a bunch of you Linux content creators getting together and BSing At least they're the star study or the ones that in our minds are the greatest ones are the best ones around He sent me a message I signed a discord. No backing out now because he showed that he'd created it and everything Thanks to metal of the taco welcome. I hope you're enjoying the stream awesome Yeah, yo, yeah, baby. We need are your works. So Nate You haven't made any videos yet, but you're getting ready to kick off your channel, right? Yep, Nate picks tech world is coming in 2024. Nice. You want to talk about it a little bit? I'm gonna look at Coming through the discord Now I hear him just fine Yeah, I hear hmm, okay, so it's so go ahead talk about your channel Nate So I'm gonna focus a lot more on hardware related stuff As far as Linux goes and one of the biggest things that I'm gonna try to do is I want to showcase everybody's setups In Linux because I think they get missed a lot A lot of people do a desktop install, but they don't actually show like everything that goes into making it work So that's kind of what I'm gonna be focused on a little bit more and just some random things here and there Awesome, that's a good idea. Look forward to that first video and what's what I'm gonna say is this being an old User days and days and days and decades gone by and DT can attest to this You are starting at the perfect time when it comes to hardware because you wouldn't have had much content back in the day Because hardly any hardware used to work with Linux You literally had to go to you had to go shopping, you know for what you knew what worked with Linux and it was very limited You had to buy a laptop you need to look at the name Intel on as on as many products as you possibly could I was gonna add everybody's a channel to the description everybody Jesse channel name. Yeah Mine is a snack ops unit. Yep. Okay, and then Nate do you have anything you want to put out there? It's not out yet, so okay, I just we'll just leave it as it is for now. He's in the middle of creating it Yeah So no, I think that's a great idea. I think a lot of people could benefit from that I think you're gonna cover a niche It's it's not really covered as much like you said and it's something that needs to be done because a lot of people are Always wondering we'll just work with Linux You know, but a lot of stuff is working with Linux now nicely out of the box. So that's good to hear Matt All right, Matt my brother You're up next bro. All right What was the question again? No, I'm just in Best video Distro So that video came out like a few days before DT called me out on his channel in March 21 my gone already This court sucks guys, I'm just gonna tell you well, I was getting some weird audio issues when Nate was speaking I mean I could hear him, but it was dropping in and out Yeah, but I can't hear the Matt My hearing that's weird all of a sudden Some of us can hear some of us yesterday discord was like down for I wonder if they're still having problems They probably could be could be the servers are flooded because we're doing the string. Yeah. Yeah, it could be that too Anyways his camera and I can't hear him Okay, I hate that Linux mint video because that's like what I'm known for now It's aiding on Linux mint, but then I doubled down on it because just why not because it's fun Anyways, the One that I in terms of views the one that I did what did the most was a video on lie the display manager I have no clue why that took off Absolutely, no clue like it's not even a really has almost 200,000 views No clue I did and then the weirdest one that I had that took off was a video that I did about ads on windows My third most popular videos on windows, it's hilarious my favorite one that I've ever did was the hour and a half tutorial I did on poly bar Really? Yeah, that was actually good And then they push an update move the configuration somewhere else Yeah, and they they changed the mold I and I files and they got rid of the I3 module and moved X X workspaces It was like three days later. It pissed me off Yeah, you're like you guys couldn't wait it really you could have waited well No, this always happens. So like two days ago I did a video on how good Vivaldi is and then mm-hmm after I pushed published I updated my system and 6.5 came out with sessions and workspace rules. Oh Pissed me off Uh Steve if you can still hear us try disconnecting from discord and rejoin and just rejoin I got another super chat It's actually about Linux mint from faq to begin. He says I put men on two laptops They were given to me about two months ago. Yeah, Linux on old hardware usually works He says I watch Linux vids on the main PC and follow along with the I don't know. Yeah, that's what I was thinking I have Nick's OS installed now, so I And all of my home set up everything so don't reboot not during the string But I can't see the the voice channel that we're in on the server They don't have that on Nick's yet It exists clearly because you're here so it's got to be on yes But on my computer when I look in discord at the server this voice channel with all of us in it Isn't here. I don't think you can see it. So just join any any voice channel and somebody will drag you in All right, cool. I'm leaving. I'll see you boys intersect All right, Jonathan. He won't be back. I've seen this play out before We're never gonna see zany again. Yep Never update or install a Linux distribution while streaming I did that one time never do it again or recompile pipe wire or Josh or stick to it to a distribution that worst live stream I ever did Updated 1200 packages in the middle of a stream. Oh, look, there's Tyler. It worked I will hold my opinion on that because that's literally what the point of district hacking is So I guess I'm next according to the tiles in the Hollywood tiles that we're playing here Uh So my best video has got to be my no-barra video Um, I got so much feedback on that one. I got uh, I got a lot of I covered it very well in depth You know, a lot of people really really really enjoyed it for me The most interaction I got was on that video that was the most interacted video I think it's like at 10,000 maybe 12,000 views by now I was a very big channel and I'm still not a very big channel compared to some of the people on here But that really surprised me how well that took off. I don't know if Oh This court is a comedy of horror Ro-ro Ro-ro shaggy. Wow Oh, it's fine. It's funny. Is it the minute we start talking? We start having problems That is funny So let's make it. Let's make it silent. Uh, calling. Thank you for the super chat. I really appreciate it Swedish Linux. Thank you for the membership Okay, so that was no-barra no-barra did that uh to me was the best video ever my worst video Actually was a short that I did but it was freaking for me. It was the worst but It took off too and that was that eating the balut the rotted egg. Oh Dude Don't don't do that. Don't just okay. Listen, man. It's a Filipino delicacy They will not let you live unless you try it once And it's just not worth it. Just take take the death bite by you know embarrassment or whatever it is But that was that video was uh, I still can taste it right now Yeah, my stomach's still kind of turning a little bit on that one, man. Just put some vegemite on it next time I got it right here. I can send it to you I tried this with hot sauce, right thinking that hot sauce would actually break this up Uh, it's like the worst egg you have ever put in your mouth Think of a rotten thousand year old egg and times about two and that's about what it tastes like Yeah, it was yeah, it was bad. That was my worst video ever only because Bro, I have no idea, but it's a freaking delicacy over there Legit straight up. It is a delicacy over there. It's like that is the pinnacle That is like the pinnacle of their, um, merienda their snack. That is the ultimate snack over there I think it's about as bad as uh, pig knuckles here in the south Pickled pigs knuckles Pickled pigs knuckles. I've never had a pig knuckle. You're terrible when people eat them That's funny But no, that was uh, that that literally was my worst video man that and I I don't ever want to relive that again Never. No, thank you Tyler but it but it was a short. I mean, can you really do much with a short? I don't know that short was really really pushed I could not get that thing out of my subscription feed for like two weeks Bro, it's because so many people were liking it and thumbing it up. It wasn't It was youtube algorithm that did that. It wasn't me I know I got you know, it's funny. I keep telling like you could ask jesse and jonathan and uh, Tyler too. I've told before what's really funny is when youtube recommends you your own videos Okay, so yeah, the funniest thing is that I never see a Short from josh unless it's about him telling me I did something wrong I see everything on one of those but never any others Really? Yeah, it's hilarious. Um, I mean he makes those those shorts quite often but He's already got something to correct me about I'm always wrong Yeah, I to be fair don't don't feel like you're alone on that uh, matt we all we all feel the same way We feel that the same love from josh Josh is very good about spreading that love around And we lost and where did Tyler go? Oh, he knew he was next. That's why I told him not to reboot. He did it anyway Should be using a real distribution No Next video nixos a useless I really want to get some threats there Yeah, you I went after void because the void guys man. Oh those they're scary No, no, and anything is if he makes a video dissing on nixos Then he broke my my first live Of my comeback because the live of my comeback was going to be with him convincing me to install nixos Don't do it he turns on nixos now My life gonna be about it's actually not bad. It's just nix does everything differently And sometimes it's just a different kind of way to do things. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not good. It's just different Like it's so different to point where it's like the only way I can wrap my head around like Working with nixos is to just imagine that I'm not using linux at all And using what? I'm using nix. I'm not using linux. I'm using chromo s. I mean, what are we doing? Sorry guys, uh, I'll be back. I need I got something just for this occasion today. I found it You don't know what I'm talking about in a sec be back Okay, all of our streams are about to get demonetized. I think Oh my god, here we go. It's usually the way it works. Steve's got an idea. Oh goodness. Yeah, we're That's because I'm not screaming yet It's fine. The mod saying if this goes south he's he's here Hey, hey, just just for everybody just just to let everybody know including the chat If you're afraid that my stream is going to get demonetized Just go to tindleyj.com slash support and click on all the links and send me all the things I even have it. I even have names on wishlist. Please buy me the damn bookshelf because nobody else has I'm out of I'm out of shelf space People keep sending me worse. Tyler is like gone gone. Yeah. Yeah That happens when you update. He's gonna have to reinstall nix. Oh, that's again I played with nix for a little bit. I've recently picked it up was playing with the for a little bit and um I agree. It is a very different horse that you got a ride But you got to figure out, you know first I forgot to figure out how to get your feet in sat in in the stirrup to get into the saddle with it You know what I mean? It's it's very very different The best way to do nix is to find yourself a nix fan and have them help you Um, because their documentation is horrible, but if you find someone who knows what they're doing Uh-huh, they can help you. Oh, he got beef jerky Yeah, baby I told you I told you I love beef jerky and I couldn't find any here in Lebanon, but today I Suddenly went shopping with my brother and I looked at my left. I looked to my left and I see beef jerky I expected nuggets Yeah Hey guys, you unfortunately you piss off your boss. You're fired Yeah, unfortunately my local mcdonalds is closed on saturdays this time of year. Yeah, what? Yeah Everybody can stop for a second. Jesse you're muted. You have to unmute yourself Okay, so after summer ends the population in my area drops dips below 500 people So, uh, Suddenly everything closes at four o'clock. What do you live in nantucket? No I live in ohio Wait, but hold on Well, you see the the logic of me is saying Is that eventually great to live there No, the the reason why I'm in ohio is because we all know that ohio's eventually going to Like dominate the entire united states anyway, so just like if it's going to happen. I might as well just stay here I still can't believe we lost that war I mean just to let you know just to let you know matt Ohio won the war won the war for Toledo. I know I can't believe we lost to ohio You know, you know, I lived in ohio for two years. Um And yeah, no, he's no longer living there by the way He got he got he got sense about himself and said get out of here No, and when I said and when I said I was gonna go to to the u.s The first guy this is a nice town though. It was uh, josh He wanted me to go to ohio Yeah, why not you go to ohio see the trick is what you do is you is you fly from lebanon to ireland And then you and then there's direct connection from ireland to cleveland Yeah, cleveland's not a nice town. Yeah, columbus is a nice town. Uh, since he's okay too. I like sincey um Never been to ohio So I just know that it's round on both ends and high in the middle Yeah, it really sucks up there by the lake too because i'm being Born in louisiana right being used to the weather down here Man that cold breeze that comes off that lake and then it's just I can't do it Lake superior is way worse Is it really? Oh, yeah Yeah, you guys you know southern boys. We we don't have clothes for that. I mean we have light coats and jackets and things but when the it's like five degrees outside, you know, it's like There's When I don't have those kinds of Florida when I moved from Florida up here to washington state I literally had one pair of pants. I came up here with all my shorts and tank tops That was horrible that first winter man. I had no idea because in florida winter time You're looking at 60 to 80 degrees depending on what what it's going like, you know So you don't you literally live in in shorts and tank tops and in sandals, you know when I moved up here I had no clue. I was a total fish out of water. I'm gonna tell you that it was it was very eye-opening as to how cold that The the the wind could be Yeah, everyone's beaten up on cleveland, but let's just be honest with everything at least it's not gary indiana. Okay It's not gary indiana. It's fine I drove through gary once it's uh You know how they talk about it's kind of scary and run down and it's just a complete ghetto Yeah, it actually is worse in real life than what they tell you It's the same thing with it's the same thing with plant here in michigan They tell you that it's bad. It's worse when you go there It's the same way with seattle here I know i'm gonna get a lot of hate from from any techies around here that watch me But uh, seattle's horrible that way too. It you know, they make it look all nice and pretty especially in those movies and stuff How it's all nice and pretty man, but when you get to seattle man, it's nothing but a hot mess and garbage and Just horrible everywhere. It's not good. I assume that's always hot and muggy It almost always rains Uh, every single car is a is a rusted piece of crap because you you're you're literally you're literally next to the ocean What are you talking about seattle? Yeah In the summertime you can get hot and muggy, but in the wintertime No, it's just cold and rainy and it's like that freaking mist that you get in the vegetable You feel like a vegetable in the produce department because it's a really fine mist, you know So it's just misting all the time. It's cloudy and gray and miserable Yeah, I think you see the sun once every year for three weeks in the summertime And yes, every car is rusted out here just because of the sheer volume of water It's impregnated into it from just sitting all the time under water So this sounds wonderful. I don't know why anybody would complain. Why would you want to live anywhere else? Yeah, now, uh, why would you want your car to last gross? who Hey In the auto buddy business, man, I made a lot of money doing that. I make a lot of money with that They're all gonna be driving cyber trucks pretty soon because that thing probably won't rust pretty much I won't be Why won't you be? You don't town band the the town band the cyber truck because it's an eyesore Yeah, wait, I'm sorry What? Yeah, you're hold on You're going to tell me that you live is great And yet they can make laws that stop you from driving around things that look bad to them Well, the entire village is an hoa. That's probably why That's what that sounds like If you ever lived in a really small town This is normal like they'll ban things that you know, you can't have a walmart here You can't have a McDonald's They want their little picturesque town with their little red brick cobble streets. They don't want anything to ever change Right, that's I guess I live in a very small like a different kind of small town because like here like if you have an hoa Selling that house is going to be way harder than if it didn't have an h like no one wants hoa Is no one wants it? There's a secret to this town that i'm in Only 30 percent of only 30 percent of the homes are Permanent residents everything else is just air b&b new That's gonna drive up the rent forever. Why would anybody go to ohio and rent up air b&b? You must have been in my head because I was thinking the exact same thing I mean if you're gonna rent an air b&b you go to some I mean, you know some place warm or some place where there's actually something I mean, if you at least if you're gonna go to ohio, at least, you know, but nice place is sort of And add to your stuff in that oh dunk ohio Nice places have hotels though. That's the thing you know This town he's talking about probably doesn't have a legit hotel Probably the haunted one That maybe was a little shady The kind of ann you'd see gordon ramsley go to to try to fix up but you know the Owner's like a nazi Hotel hill. I remember that series. That was great. Yeah Tyler now that you're back in and you're steady on the stream here now. What was your best and worst video? Me yeah, you're tired No, that's highly forget your name Well, no, I was distracted because I realized that somebody Somebody forgot to share an announcement in my server Sir, if you look There's two announcements for me one from yesterday and one from today Never mind. Wait. No, wait. Hold on. Yeah. Yeah, never mind. Okay. Yeah, never mind I just misread it never mind Is muted My my worst video is pretty easy Because I started off my channel before I was doing linux content. I was doing gaming content and so there are videos and Um live streams that exist. I've I think I've tried to scrub them I I don't know if you can easily find them But I know they exist where I'm playing fortnite And I'm having a great time Great time. He sounds so ashamed. I wish Well, okay, look I should be ashamed. I was I was having a lot of fun with fortnite and I wasn't doing anything cool in fortnite like I was I was a Bad player that was good against other bad players Like if you put me up to someone who knew what they were doing or koa build Like my best friend I I was like I stopped playing fortnite because I started playing with good players And I was like, yeah, no, this game sucks Be honest, did you rage quit? Yeah, I'm playing funny thing is Is I pulled up the good old fashioned youtube search bar and I typed in zany og fortnite And I think I found a fortnite stream already Wow You should have just before you do what zero ad was Uh, no, I know. I knew what zero ad was. I just wasn't playing it. It was before he knew how awesome it was Yeah, yes Exactly So that like that those are my worst videos mainly just because I don't like them like personally I very much don't like them Um, because you're still raging. I think my best video that I've ever done Is probably not it's not just one. It's my series of videos on open bsd Um, mainly because I had a lot of fun doing those videos like a lot. It was really fun to dive in and learn Uh, I learned a lot about bsd and not not just open bsd I learned a lot about free bsd and just bsd in general And that was a lot of fun and it did actually help people Those are the best videos zany has and it's the best story about zany's channel Because he was using bsd got called out by mental outlaw and then started using linux again He called you out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he gave me a shout out No Yeah, he was like the best bsd channel and by that time tyler was already Oh, we gave him so much shit on our podcast because every once in a while He'll just show up using windows and then there was like two week period where he was an apple fan boy Yeah, we jumped the apple. I remember that Oh But we had that discussion the other day uh with tyler about the evils of apple We won't get into that. It was a very heated discussion I'm still waiting for tyler to convince me to buy an apple product I don't I don't think you should go buy like for you it makes no sense to buy an apple product It doesn't make sense for anybody to buy an apple product. No, it does it does If you're an audio engineer or Producer like it If you go anything other than apple, you're literally insane. Well, let's be be fair if if all you do is audio Then linux is probably the worst worse already system. But you know what windows is not really good either Windows is just bad. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I could see mac for that windows is worse than linux If all you're doing is audio. Well, it depends in which it's like see this is where audio gets really weird Especially when it comes to a debate about whether windows or linux is better because it depends on your use case You might use it again or off on windows but If you if you want like like if you're going to be adding like layers like kind of generalized effects Over your audio then linux might be better because you can't do system wide echo cancellation over an input or output on windows Technically you you can do it with some fancy audio routing and stuff But it gets way more complex than it would be on linux But even then As soon as you get the aspect of software that you see Linux is pretty complicated. Like when you get into things like jack and you know, the whole Patch bay thing where you're trying to you know, direct various audio sources. Is it like it's The whole thing's a mess. I want to talk Let me jump in here with you know, I'm the pipe wire fan boy And that gets it a lot closer to a mac audio experience in my in my usage You're not doing all that routing yourself and you could pull the The jack libraries in through pipe wire too. Yeah, and it just handles it like it's any other Audio stream is even people that are fanboys of jack I don't think any of them really like using jack. Are there fanboys of jack? It's so complicated and it's just a mess. I'm also a fanboy of jack. How are you? Uh, i'm pho. If you guys watch him. Yeah, he likes jack He likes jack because it works He likes rdorm more than he likes jack but rdorm requires jack Yeah, but yeah, you have to use jack Other to make pipe wire work and it just didn't work for him Be like a fan boy. I think he's currently using pipe wire now Oh, I'm just I wanted to say Go ahead. Steve. Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. I wanted to say something along the lines of what zany just said The echo cancellation thing in pipe wire works jack shit At least for me All the issues with it. I took you right now Then it's working just fine. I took your config. All I did was I took your config Compared to mine. It's identical Put it in pipe wire in dot config pipe wire thing Literally when I select the echo cancel source in kd settings zero audio echo cancels sink in output Zero output There's a solution don't work for me Headphones work And whatever magic you're trying to do just not gonna work. It's unrealized Get a set of headphones tyler keep your dog away from your headphones Or you can live life like me not give a hill and it worked Just I really took your config and it didn't work for me. So I was like Screw that shit because pipe wire all I have in zero enix is pipe wire I don't have anything. I don't have special anything. I didn't do anything special I didn't touch pipe wire with a 10 foot pole to modify it Other than how the way the way it ship So I don't get it. So audio on linux. I agree is a nightmare. That's all I wanted Well, you know what though there is hope though. I'd like to remind everybody there is hope you got two big-time major players That do studio grade which is focused right and pre saunas that have Picked up and are starting to support developers and they're putting money behind the audio Audio portions of linux and different aspects pipe wire would get better, but That so I mean that's coming down the pipeline. They just started like maybe four months ago Started putting money into this stuff. So I mean it's going to get better It's going to get a lot better. Hopefully a lot sooner the the only problem is When it comes to comparing linux to mac when it comes to audio It's going to be a long time before audio engineers and those kind of people start choosing linux over because we've got a lot of ground to cover to catch up because Like apple has paired apple has spent so much money on engineers for their audios like subsystem Well, apple has always marketed itself for um multimedia use like that's like that's it's That's the audience they've always tried to capture and that's why yeah In the film industry, they use nothing but mac Josh you have a request over in our chat People are saying how about a distro hacking mac osx Oh Is you need to hop in my discord channel and post it in the suggestion thread and hope to pray that everybody votes for Because i'm not voting for that In my chat people are asking me to uh ruin tyler in a game of zero ad. I've done that so many times. So I was just gonna say actually one thing that pritonis is focusing on and I think a lot of people are not taking into account is that streamers Since the steam deck and since valve A lot of people that are actually moving to linux and streamers need audio And one of the biggest thing that pritonis is pushing right now is they're streaming Cards that they have And so that's going to be a big thing and I think that's what's going to help propel Audio and linux in general and by the way Zany is a cheater because I was new to zero ad And I was on dts team and he went to yeah first knew that I was that I was new And so yeah, you're a cheater. Yeah. Yeah, we both got taken out on that same stream You know what? Alex I had to go through you to get to zany. All right zany has left the stream on that Alex you were collateral damage. Yeah, he's frozen collateral damn josh josh destroyed me It is really bad when somebody tells you it's their very first game of zero ad Which is a very complicated game and then you just go and attack them immediately. That's like yeah I was still trying to get my ladies to repopulate They were getting good at picking berries. They weren't repopulating for crap. I'm like, what's wrong with these broken ladies He's gone you guys what did he got we what do we do dude? Well when he got called out he left I mean did he just rage quit? No, I think he had a nicks the west issue again. I hope he didn't reboot again. He said pipe wire was good and then this is the payback Wow, maybe maybe he's gonna go get his mac But no I do think that the the audio server realm is gonna get a lot better because also like another thing studio one actually put out an actual Full-on suite for it too Persona stay with studio one for linux. So you can actually go now. They're not supporting it yet though They're not supporting it yet, but it's still there. So it's starting. That's a beta product. So why would they support it? Right in fair enough. They went all and they went all in into wailin. They don't support x11 Yeah Yeah, so I mean they're they're like I said, I really Wailin If you're just now getting into supporting linux, I mean you're going to target the most popular distributions You're gonna be targeting people using gnomes a desktop environment which which defaults to wailin and pipe wire Like that's just what you're gonna do. You're not you can't everybody. Yeah, you can't target guys Spends all this time Well, actually You're you're it depends on what what your product is because qt Is is a very popular framework for professional applications And it works on windows just as well as it works on on linux and the code is portable between the two operating systems the only thing that the only thing that actually Uh, that you would actually have to modify is just your core application itself So there's actually a lighter tax If your if your applications are written in qt to write it to uh port it to to linux in it And stick with qt rather than is to write it with gtk Or you could just use electron like everybody's doing now Or what's that one that canonical is doing starts from the f flutter. That's it. Yeah, flutter. Yeah Well, flutter's not a toolkit. No, but uh malli kit You could do malli. Yeah, I was gonna say malli kit too Uh malli kits malli kits really just a front end for qt Mm-hmm. Well, there you go Now I got another super chat from mr. Fa q tube He doesn't just so you have to read the name Yeah, I'm doing it slow. I don't want to trip up any algorithms here and get the stream taken YouTube Yeah, uh, he says he builds his own pc so mac is a non-starter for him Well, obviously, yeah, that's the problem with mac is you have to buy the hardware and the software kind of All from the same company. So yeah Yeah, true, but And when people talk about max You do have to specify are you talking about the mac? Like if you're talking about the hardware you're talking about the software because there are two very different things I don't like the mac os for example Like when I say, you know, I I can't stand mag is usually I'm talking about the operating system I'm not necessarily anything hardware related Yeah, and I noticed lately that more and more you mean the function or oh, sorry You mean it? Yeah But that was right jessie. Yeah Oh, go ahead. Just I'll okay. Yeah people are randomly muting for me still but uh When you say you don't like it Do you not like the aesthetic of the os do you not like the function of the os is it both? That's the uh the flexibility The flexibility is not there. It's not as as like even compared to windows It's just so locked down and you know, it's That's not for somebody like me is way the wrong operating system like it's Nowhere near what I want out of an operating system. I don't like to look or feel of it at all. I you know, I just Yeah, I mean that I don't like the aesthetics, but that's yeah, that's subjective. I mean for me also it Maybe it's just me, but my it feels like it's slow It is Okay, so I'm it's it's windows. It's heavy. You know, yeah I think windows is faster than mac It actually to me operates faster than mac. Oh boy. Steve's showing his mac. We'll say this I will say this and steve is holding it up The biggest thing that bothers me with apple is they'll sit there and say oh, we have invented this new thing And we're using this new chip All you have is your crappy firmware on it That somebody else is making the chip and uh that same as we've already had on android windows for like four years ten years It's just now feature That bothers me But be honest Well, that's just marketing to be as that's that's normal. You know, yeah They all do that so what I what I was going to say was these days in in a lot of Areas around me. I noticed that more people tend to go towards mac these days and they're giving up Since since the invention of windows 11 More people are gravitating towards max Yeah, I think a lot of people are waiting for windows 12 Yeah, I would say And it comes with a pre-installed system that just works out of the box without hassle without even thinking about it When that 20 hours of battery life is really hard to beat like you can't get that on windows Like you just know you can take get a yes the hardware is expensive But you go there you know, you're gonna get that battery to last you for a couple days And hibernation and sleep and yeah and all that stuff to get them working right out of the box on windows Excuse me. No, uh, and the question would be though. It's getting there the sleep and hibernation thing It's getting there on Linux, but it's not there yet Yeah, but see this this is this becomes more than just uh Solfer related this actually becomes hardware related because you're going you're comparing to x86 versus arm Right. Well, this one windows can't do arm yet. They just seem to be incapable of it Not that linux does that much better by the way No, it wasn't you think that it would given that the android exists, but Yeah, well, yeah, that's that's a good that's a good That you said that because We've had arm for ages in android and yet linux on arm is Where is it? It's it's math. It's what it is. I mean some distributions have a pretty good arm Version i'm like manjaro arm is pretty good Debian obviously has architecture for it as well Hold on. Hold on. Just because you brought it up. Let's talk about the fact that manjaro arm is better than manjaro Okay Yeah, oh josh is gonna go get another prop It's probably a pine book. I've got one too that runs manjaro arm and yeah This is a pine phone with manjaro arm on it and oh for real. Yeah, how do you like the pine phone? It's The phone is fine. Manjaro arm is garbage I'm gonna make your alarm on my up highs as well. I went looking Is that a what is that a nintendo system? That's a nintendo. No, it's uh raspberry Inside. Yeah, the case. I see tricky. I got you Don't go on manjaro. You'll break it. I was thinking about getting a linux phone I was thinking about getting the pine phone And I've all and I've wondered if it's worth the investment or not Okay, so I did not buy this one of my patrons bought this for me and I've been using it now for three weeks or so It is it's fine right as long as you go into it knowing that this is a linux phone and With everything that goes along with it, you know, you're not gonna get all you know It's not a piece of metal and glass so the the build quality is plastic But it feels nice The software as long as you temper your expectations and know what you're getting into going in and you're not expecting iOS or android, you're gonna be fine, right? If you're not using your smartphone, you're using a glorified feature phone That's what you want to think about it. Right You want to just use it as a phone works fine. So how does so so I'm more okay. I'm old All right, I'm old and I'm worried about is can I pick up the damn thing and have a reliable phone call happen on it? You know what I'm saying You can do I was gonna say does uh emacs work on it Emacs works on it. That's all Emacs does in fact work on it. Yes. I knew the answer to the question He's just being funny Yes, because emacs runs on everything No, um, okay, so my phone my phone right now uses swmo Which is basically just like d the uh hyperland version of dwm for for uh the phone And that's oh no kidding Wow, that's what the free software foundation needs to do they need to put out an official emacs phone They would make so much money They would make tens of dollars Because you need to be able to hit that control We're gonna have three videos of dt saying this is my config Yeah Trying to figure out how to do it off his phone you do key cords on a digital keyboard Yeah, key cords on a digital keyboard. No, you would have no little on-screen keyboard You would just have to do a couple fingers at a time. I guess Just start smashing the buttons Are we really ready for phone dot files? Yes. Oh, yeah, dude x monad on the pine phone When's that? The most useless cell phone Wait, actually like i'm not gonna lie If we started making tiling window manager phones all we need to do is bring back the old droids You know those dope phones with a nice touchscreen that's slid out to a nice physical Oh, you mean like to like to like to kick for like the lg kick or whatever If you go back like the no-tside kick Uh, the Motorola droid too, like i'm pretty sure that was the one that had like it had such a good keyboard on it Right too. Yeah. Oh That was good. They don't make great What about what about if you get the touchscreen version on the blackberry that has a little nub so you can at least use your mouse Do if you need to oh my god. Oh, I like those ones. I like those ones Lenovo makes one with a nipple I do I do want to bring you guys in on my hardware problems So i've been like like leaving the discord cutting in and out and all that stuff so um I am the bright guy who thought it would be an amazing idea yesterday to start a project of switching over My hardware Um, i'm going to start slowly upgrading my computer. I'm getting a better server put in place for the house And i'm also going to be using some of the spare parts That they're still really nice parts, but using that to upgrade my buddy's computer and give him something for christmas. So I've switched over here. I'm using right now. I'm using an intel i9-9900 k I've got 64 gigs of ram and like, you know new motherboard. I've got my same gpu Hard nvme drives all that stuff. It's it's nice Now last night apparently I don't remember doing this at all But apparently I went in and did a whole bunch of extra overclocking stuff that I don't remember doing I know I set my ram to run the xmp profile And gave it a slight slight bump In speed because I know all of the ram sticks in there. They're like corsair dominator platinum So like, you know, they're like they're good. It's good ram. So I can Without giving it any more voltage. I can bump it up like 100 extra megahertz. No problem. Like good Let's get the extra performance. I definitely paid for it. Let's do that. So I was having all this crashing I assumed it was because I overclocked my ram I bumped it down still having issues. I just figured out last night I set my cpu to have an overclock of five gigahertz So that would be why I was having so many stability problems You know Like it's any I need you on my first episode for hardware It could be a weekly thing what not to do Tyler Because I'm gonna do an episode what would Tyler do do the opposite That's the title. Well by the time that episode's out I'll be able to talk about all the things that you shouldn't do like, you know Overclocking your cpu to five gigahertz right before you go to sleep for the night That's probably a good thing not to do We're in the middle of a stream. Yeah Yeah Hang on a second here guys. Let me pull up my ctl call and overclock my gpu real quick We're doing the stream Nothing is ever gonna go wrong with that No, I I'm so bad. I like the time before like the time before I left um Last time I I unplugged my extras. I've got two gpu's in the system now So I unplugged my other AMD gpu thinking maybe it could be drawing too much power or something which it should I've got plenty of power supply, but Anyway, you know, I figured maybe maybe that's causing issues. Nope Still still Yeah, no, it would be that five gigahertz overclock. I have a feeling Well, you haven't yet. You're trying to get every frame you can out of zero ad, right? Is that what you're trying to do? I'm straight Just hoping that if he gets that he can beat dt finally Finally, yeah Dude, you do know that if he ever beats dt, we're all gonna hear it. You know, look He's meeting me before I actually don't play zero ad very often. The only time I really play zero ad is usually with tyler Yeah the problem with With me beating derrick is normally Hang on guys So I've got to pet the kitty Oh, yes If it's josh and bring your nuggies. It didn't bring any nuggies. You don't have it What about the tindies? All of you I want some pop eyes tindies now. That's what I'm gonna do for lunch. I think Handies. Oh, let me quick door dash some nuggets right now. I could do that Oh Do this Door dash me some nuggets 70 dollars that way. I don't have to But uh, you know what you could put with your with your attendees, uh, you can get some just to let you guys Ranch ice cream. Oh, just let you guys know My my gpu was running at the maximum clock speed of 2100 megahertz now. We're running 2800 megahertz and we'll see how long it lasts Okay, I'm sorry, but you said you said Hidden valley ranch ice cream and I didn't really forgotten that we had talked about that in the past and I genuinely I have a video up on my channel of me trying it Why would anybody want to eat ice cream that tastes like salad dressing? I do it purely for attention and it didn't even work. It was terrible. It was I think that ice cream is against the Geneva convention. It's horrible Some of the ideas they have for flavors of stuff is just stupid So they have popcorn flavored ice cream Bacon flavored ice cream like these things don't go In ice cream. Okay. No, I've got I've got uh I've got dill pickle sitting in my freezer for the next one What the hell it's it's like All right, look the only flavor that is a true sin against god Is bacon flavor toothpaste that is oh like there's something. Oh, no Are you serious? Does this even exist? Are you for real? Yes? They put bacon in everything Vegemite on your toothbrush if you're gonna do that I've seen bacon. I've seen bacon scented soap So I remember you need to hire a marketing company just hire the marketing company behind whoever's done the bacon thing and the avocados Because I just found the bacon flavor toothpaste on amazon That's offensive. That just hurts me to the core the soap one. I didn't even know about and that is Well, that makes sense. You could just make soap out of pork fat and you know You guys You guys are talking food and and the only thing I can think of is lechon Well, I don't I don't think we're talking about oh lechon is good making flavor toothpaste food We are you're the luckiest person on the planet because i'm dreaming to try that Lechon is oh, it's very good. Very very good. Unfortunately, mr. Alex deball This is not a gen two stream, but it is being piped through a cert through a vps server that is running gen two He should know it's not a gen two stream George the fact that we're streaming should be obvious. It's not a gen two stream The fact that it's working Alex can you can you tell the wife to send me a lechon? I don't think it'll well I could try but uh between your customs holding and and you know the time for for shipping and stuff It might be spoiled by the time it gets there Either that or the people have ate it I'm dreaming to try lechon. I haven't probably put it on dry ice and it'd be okay For the people wondering what lechon is it's slow cooked. Basically. It's a filipino delicacy. It's a slow cooked pig It's a pork. Yeah, with with with the with a variety of Lazing on it and spices on it. It's delicious and they put honey And in the rice they put a little bit of honey in the rice and they do a lot of Yeah, you look at it and you say jump in my mouth right now Yeah, I want one. I don't want one so bad. I've seen videos, but I and I've had so many Friends from the Philippines tell me about it. My mouth my mouth my mouth waters every time I'm like, where can I get some while where I was working in Dubai? That's not Something they eat pigs are not. No, you probably can't get a lot of pork in Dubai Would you say matt you don't want to know Be monetized in three you too, you know what I keep checking to make sure we're still streaming I'm expecting it I haven't been taken on yet. I know that much. Yeah, we're we're still kicking Because we're doing awesome. That's why yeah, yeah We're gonna we're gonna have to stop talking about food for a minute because I have a family reunion That I'm gonna head to right after this and they're probably all getting Ready to eat right about now And like why aren't you streaming from the family reunion? The the the better question is he does remember that there's another podcast after this, right? Yes, okay But I still I'm still going to a family reunion after and going to have great food I got a contact email The other day from youtube saying they were Taking down one of my videos because it had a spammy link in the description Which I didn't know apparently youtube does this now is they scan the links in your description And if it leads to any kind of website that they deem kind of Spammy They'll take your videos down which I was weird because google's a trillion dollar company Why not just if you're scanning the link anyway, just remove the link from the description without me having to do it But it was it was a link to some project on github or something something that doesn't exist anymore redirects to some other side or whatever That's just because that redirect they're they're bot, you know It's just weird. Yeah scam like that, but still youtube. It's just a mess Yeah with this stuff like that. What what what alternatives do we have for it? besides odyssey Odyssey and rumble. I mean that's really the only two that are reasonable but Speaking of which My only means of Getting donations Has been taken down My area so kofi fundraiser I cannot access Well, I think it's because they're on cloudflare I think we talk. No, it has nothing to do with cloudflare. I talked to them They replied to me saying well, we had to take we have we had to disable Well, jesse knows I sent him the message. It's like your area is no longer supported We no longer support your area because of the things that are going on because of legal and whatever Reasons we had to block block your access to our website Oh good fun. Good fun Like I'm like, uh, hello, how do I check? We're gonna get a vpn Well, I tried or they they flagged my account. They were like we detected Yeah, they're gonna be smart enough to yeah, they're not Yeah, they they block they block anyone who tries to circumvent their blockage So I'm like, what am I going to do? Well, I can still receive donations, but I won't be able to check I won't be able to verify. I cannot do anything anymore I want to post things on kofi and fundraiser. I can't anymore because I can't access the website Oh Well, that's that's unfortunately a sad part about living in a war-torn region like you are Yeah, yep People don't want to have to pick a side Yeah, they just Are becoming I'm becoming a little bit my area is becoming a little bit like uh, I ran because I ran they cannot access anything flatbacks You are or anything like that they cannot access Interesting now like the only district where like the repositories work is debbie and that's just because there's a guy in iran That actually runs a package server for debbie and in iran. Yeah And looking at my uh analytics since we were talking about analytics. I still have two videos of mine Years I've been for years. I've been trying to get these videos monetized They're demonetized because I don't know one of them is a cutile video that has been demonetized for five years And I've appealed it and they reject it and they don't want to hear it from me anymore X monad is another another video about x monad configuring x monad There's nothing in these videos of me Programming in my school and when one and programming in python and you know, I don't even use foul language in my videos Like why on the hill are the and the well, we reviewed it and What was the problem? They won't tell you it's just it's demonetized I don't think they ever I think they're lying. I don't think there's any kind of system in place I had uh, I had a video that of mine that they took down Because of what the content was it was uh, discussing streaming tv. I can't say Yeah, you got to be careful with any kind of uh stuff like that you can't anything that circumvents youtube And ads and things like that any of those kinds of services command line programs gooey programs some Well, don't discuss any of them don't make a video on any of those because that video is just better to never make a video on YouTube about youtube on youtube at all on youtube. Yeah, just don't do it Well, no mine was mine was what that was this video was was a video of hypnotics and how you can actually set it up to to stream live tv Through different services that provide. Oh, yeah, that like There's probably a legality. Yeah, well. No, it's no legality like it's because it was oh, you still pay You're still paying for the tv access The problem is is that is a direct competitor to youtube tv youtube tv. You obviously can't They're not gonna be fine with you But also on their own platform a lot of people a lot of people don't know who omar is but omar was a Person who sold those tv services and used youtube to promote that And had millions of subscribers and he's now in prison for something I don't know what but so it's kind of a black eye for youtube too And the minute that you flag that you type in the eye and then the the acronym of what it stands for I don't want to say it because I don't want to get in trouble again But any other minute the minute you you do that, dude, it'll flag it automatically I had no idea about this because I I replied to them and that's what they told me they gave me the explanation Which is I thought was wild that they actually gave me an explanation Mr. Baba, we are not all doing a linux mint challenge for next year No I wanted to hear pop was challenge I'm okay Open I've got the sticker it's got my family I got the sticker I've got a little gecko just it says susan on it Well, then stop running gen two man. You're disrespecting the gecko. I've got two of them. Wow I've got two of them. I even have a cup. I have like a first first aid kit Uh, I think I have a flashlight Well, if I had to reinstall things like gen two on that computer where the gecko can see it and just Just do it to it like come on If my updates had not fixed my problems and I had to reinstall which I was planning to do I actually was not going to go with arch or an arch based district For real? I was actually planning on doing debbie unstable just because I was sick of all the headaches Wow, that's exactly what I and I still may at some point No, you need a I'm tired of the rolling I'm gonna be that person that everyone hates because I'm I'm just now like getting Super into nixos With nix before I actually uh really played a lot with geeks before I'm Doing nix, but uh, it's interesting But at the same time It it's not foolproof as far as like it never breaks. I mean, it's always your fault You know playing with the configs and things, but it's always my fault I'm not gonna lie every time I break my system. It's always my fault But yeah, it worked the problem. The only reason I wouldn't go with either nix or geeks software availability Is not anywhere near what debbie and an arch are It's just not yeah, actually the nix that's wrong actually repose repositories actually bigger than debbie and size isn't what he's talking about I don't think yeah I just don't know about the numbers there you are is the I don't know if it's the biggest or the second biggest repository that doesn't really mean all that much Yeah, about 90 of that is going to be libraries. So right Yeah, well, but I haven't found a pack how to install the software. That's really it Well, I haven't I haven't found a package in nix os that that's available in the a you are that isn't available in nix os like Everything all of your themes fonts like uh, I mean even steve asked me like a couple like weird things that he didn't think it would have And it was there like it has Like their package availability is really good the problem with nix os that I see like for most People is it's so different like you can't it's so different than how you would normally run a distribution Like you don't just install applications on a whim in a terminal and expect them to stick around Like that that's not how it works I'm contracted obligated right now. I'm sorry tyler real quick to mention that dt is not bald. He actually has hair That is true. Yes, it says dt on not on arch what it what next dt with hair come on man. That's mean I That's the new year's resolution I'm gonna go out my hair. Can I do a google rant real quick? I want to do a google rant I just created my new channel right right doing this They've already suspended it and deleted it What did you do? What did you do? That's probably because he's on this stream. I have no idea The very first live stream I ever did uh, I I actually was banned in the middle of like 15 minutes into the live Stream and then I had to appeal and it's like hey, what are you guys doing? And I were like, well, you don't know Well, you're unbanned. I'm like, okay. Well, thanks All right, we're running the stream though because no chance we're we're hitting that streaming button again There was like two months after that that I tried to stream again Nick did that um that giveaway or whatever a couple years ago or he got his whole channel just going because of that Yeah, I remember that they're bad about giveaways. Yeah, you don't want to be doing any kind of raffling and you know What they get pissed about is Creating giveaways to get subscriber You know, it's it's nice that we're talking about just because if there's people out there They're thinking about starting the channel They need to they need to hear this kind of stuff because they don't know the fine line that we really walk Don't ever do giveaways only because legally speaking that puts youtube in a very big like once you start doing giveaways That's essentially sweepstakes and laws apply to that a lot of local laws have problems with raffles and lotteries and things So, uh, yeah, you can't do any of that Yeah, the really the reason why nick's uh channel got taken down was simply because of uh of a law in rhodi island About kind of concerning sweepstakes. That was really it And it's like he's in france. How does it how is he not supposed to know that? Well, it's not even that YouTube like there's there's different laws for sweepstakes based off of uh, like a hundred different Jurisdictions just inside of the us alone and youtube operates globally So they have to take everything into account and they just can't so Instead of trying to manage it all and make sure everything is up to par legally Everywhere that the video is being distributed. They just go no just get rid of it It's not allowed So, okay. Okay. I don't know what happened. I guess somebody at google was actually awake, but i'm back You you were there, you know, you're back That's funny. Yeah, I remember when I first started my channel like the first year or so I probably had a hundred videos Like straight in a row that I made that as soon as I published them were demonetized the minute I published them Mm-hmm, what for almost like an entire year every single video was demonetized You're the reason why youtube has that you can't get monetized until after a thousand subscribers You're the one that made that happen No, because that was in place before that but I had got the ability to be monetized and then still Everything you publish was getting yeah, and it wasn't just me It was that problem existed all over youtube with other people too Wasn't that like wasn't that during the time period where they were like they were Actually banning a lot of open source content like creators I they had a lot of problems with people that talked about linux for some reason at the time. I don't know Uh, that was also around the time that they pretty much made everybody that mentioned bitcoin Microsoft They didn't want anybody to you mean like there were channels that you know Hundreds of thousands of subscribers that were just banned all of a sudden one day Because well, we don't want any people talking about that I think I think what happened here in that time period was the kids trying to save the kids from bitcoin I'm not gonna lie. That's problem It it like looking back on that time period That's probably the best decision they could have made keeping kids away from crypto and nfts was probably a good decision Um, and I think they probably should have stuck to their guns more more about it because I mean just the amount Well, also, so a lot of those are scams, but the biggest problem too is like, I don't know if you guys are problem is enough Hey, I have 100 billionth of a piece of a bitcoin. Yeah, the problem isn't that Necessarily bitcoin or blockchain or nfts. They're not a scam. They're just technology The problem is the people a lot of the people that make content about it on youtube or just straight up scam artists Well, yeah, yeah, those have always existed. It's just that's that's the easy scam to run. I'm gonna create my own token I'm gonna sell it to you guys and as soon as all of you guys put all of these hundreds of thousands of dollars Into this token I'm gonna take out All the money that I staked it with so the whole thing collapses and I just rob everybody of their money Okay, and the token is so I have I have a question for all of you guys We can just talk about this. What is the weirdest? Sponsorship email you've ever received Oh KFC I had it kfc do does kfc deodorant Well, does the sponsorship offer have to be legitimate or can we also mention scams literally anything? It doesn't matter. I'll all the ones that I I've never got I I mentioned this last night, but I but I literally got a sponsorship offer for sex toys I got I got one offer that was and I'm not this was not a scam Like this was actually a legit company like they reach out talk to me called me They wanted they wanted me. I'm not gonna mention the brand at all But or the company but they wanted because I mean they were really nice people, but it was clear that they like Whoever was over their department of like trying to do marketing Clearly was just not doing their job at all. They wanted me to promote a weed eater On my chin They wanted me to do a review And keep the weed eater in some of my videos and I was like Yeah Just put it right there in the corner behind you bud I've heard of actually similar ones to that now that I I didn't get the weed eater one But I have gotten somewhere. It's obvious the person at this company Never ever even took a look at what my channel was about because I have gotten Many offers from software companies that want me to promote their Software some of it's pretty popular pieces of software people would know about That doesn't have a linux version It's like wait, what? Are you serious right now? Yeah, I mean And then but with the craziest one. I got one about a men's hair care products I was like You have no idea. That was that was that was sent that was sent you by your patreon homies not Is that what it was? It was a joke I thought alex was about to say that was from me. I was trolling The the best scam one that I've ever gotten was this dude who was uh, he was trying to pretend to be a Microphone company not tz audio because that's a very popular scam like I think a lot of us have probably seen that because I'm talking with them right now actually No, well, I mean, oh the scam artist or the actual company the actual company. Good. Good. Good. Well, but anyway, so It was this microphone company. Um, I can't remember who's pretending to be I can't remember the company. It wasn't audio technical or like, you know, any of the other like big ones I think all that would be a big sponsorship if you did audio tech But anyway, so he was trying to pretend this audio company, but the email was completely wrong Like I mean like totally blatantly wrong So I tell him like, you know, I'm like, hey man, you might if you want this scam to work You probably need to change the email And me and him go back and forth for like five minutes Him trying to convince me that he's not a scammer and then Then finally just Explodes, I mean start screaming like he like all his emails like do all caps like, you know Every swear word all caps like he's telling me how much of a piece of shit I am and then he's linking all of like comments from my videos that like You know, like they're not bad comments. They're not like hating on me, but like, you know, they're like Like I you could have done this video better or whatever and he's like linking all of these in the email Right. The hell is wrong with this dude? Like So for me, I got two of them that were scams one was for a raspberry pi That they were selling on amazon and they wanted me to buy the pi And then do the review and then they would refund me the money And I'm like, and and it was one and it was one and it was one where it was literally the most expensive raspberry pi on the market I'm like, what are you nuts? I'm like, no, I don't think so And then I had another one that was sent to me that was for a car park uh For a jeep. Yeah, like uh an accessory that you add onto a jeep and I'm like These people don't even know what my channel is about. I'm like, maybe maybe they might have been in there And maybe heard that I talked about car parks or owning a body shop before or whatever. I don't know one of the lifestreams But it was for a car park. I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that either Well, I imagine a lot of these guys have got They get a list from a marketing company, you know a collection of emails and yeah, there's a lot of false positives I guess they they think they're marketing to like Auto park channels, but it's you're a linux channel, right? Let's let's face it that the the button that youtube uses to cover up your email on the about page Isn't all that, you know, hard to get around by box So No, I mean the button's there to reveal it to people who want it not to just give it out to everyone and like that That whole like method methodology is like no If someone wants to write a script to go through and pick up a whole bunch of different content creators emails Like that button's not a hard system to write a script to get around I mean respect element. It just shows it. So you don't even have to exactly write something to click the button It just is there. You can just scrape it Yeah, but um Someone in distro tubes chat said just be polite and let the dude scam you come on I totally agree We'll see like my thing like I have a funny policy about scammers Or like annoying like annoying telemarketers like instead of being rude or just not talking to them I'll sit there and give them advice about how they could do their job Yeah, I'm like I'm like look if you're gonna continue doing this at least have some respect and put some effort behind what you do If you're gut like look, I don't support scamming. I think that's go all in baby You're literally a p.o.s. If you scam someone However, if you're going to scam my mama taught me if you're gonna do anything you do it good. So yeah, absolutely I'm happy while you steal my money Well at the very least like if you're like if you're going to scam At least make the scam good enough that I can't immediately know It's a scam in five seconds like come on. Here's here's the thing with scammers though Many people don't realize this a lot of times these scammers They don't really try to hide the fact that they're scamming like because they're targeting Like the dumbest people on the face of the earth Right. So they they actually want it to be a many of them want it to be a little obvious That's a scam because they don't want smart people to be taken in by it because those are the people That might actually come back at them. They really want like the dumbest of the dumb to fall for their scam That's their filter. Yeah, I was I was going to say that one. I only got one because my channel is so small I only got one That person wanted me to advertise a tool that he created for linux and the windows and mac os At least just had to do the content that you do Well, let me let me finish. Let me finish because there is going to be explode the tool is One that generates random steam accounts that I could sell Yeah, you can't do anything with keys. That's that's a bad idea. Yeah Well So I do have a question though. Have have any of you guys been hit up for a raid shadow legends sponsorship? Yeah No, no Yeah, twitches Wait, what what's your question? I got one and I didn't even have a channel No for a raid shadow legend heavy So yeah, so here's the thing I used to have a minecraft channel back in the day because you know It was a big thing and I got scammed on Yeah, tyler loved it these people that were supposed to this used to be a thing on youtube where they would actually Supposedly push your channel, but you pay them so much a month And they would you put them as a sponsorship? Yeah, I got scammed playing on fiber But but uh recently I just got an email for raid a sponsorship for raids shadow legends for my the old channel I'm like, I don't even have any videos anymore. Like there's nothing Yeah, I got a question from a super chat from mr. Faw Hi, mr. Faw. Thank you He wants to know is there a way to a benchmark on linux because he uses the user benchmark program on windows But he wants something for linux Yes That's sweet for onyx Onyx the only one I know of but I've never used it It's it is the only one that's like credible because the only one that's actually popular for linux Well, and and also just so we're clear like that that is the most comparable Like sweet of testing tools. Yeah, I was gonna say what you're gonna find over on windows now if you want to like If you're going to be diving into linux and doing stuff more in the terminal and like you kind of want to go that route If you search stress testing linux or arch You'll especially if you search arch you're gonna get like arch wikis on stress testing and a whole bunch of people talking about it and there's a Litany of stress testing small singular terminal programs for testing your cpu your ram your graphics card All that kind of stuff. They're talking it towards cli. Yeah Yeah, well like when it comes to linux if you go to the foronix test suite or there is a couple others but if you go to any type of regular gooey test suite and You you either don't like it or you you want to do something more fine grained Like on a specific aspect like your ram or something The amount of cli tools out there for doing that stuff is insane. Like you've got tons of choices There's there's even one for nvd and amd called nv bench and uh, and the other one I don't know what it's called, but you can also just run a fork bomb and and see how long it takes before your system shuts down Well The beauty of the foronix test suite is that the foronix test suite actually bundles all those neat little scripts Into one spot for you. So it's not necessarily a synthetic benchmark when it says that it's that it's doing a kernel compile test It's actually compiling a kernel Well, there is stuff that is not inside of that test suite that you will find elsewhere But for the most part like I would be highly surprised if someone tries out That uh, the test suite and goes now I need something else, but if you are that person This is what you do if you're not used go ahead if you want to know how good your computer is you compile gentu And then If you get if you if you get it compiled in under what like two days you got a great computer Hey, Alex, I want to piggyback off that for a second Your uh, your best video in my opinion Was the video where you tried gentu Why were we not talking about that? Okay. Okay. I want I want to give a correction here because I've watched that video every single screenshot That computer's never never compiling You're right. That was it's unpacking. It's horrible And that was enough for me So my first time compiling gentu Or just trying to install gentu was not a great experience because I was a dumbass and tried to do it in a livestream with an open chat room Everyone who installs gentu does it in a different way and they every and they have like a sniffer detection You know a thing that goes on in the brain that they know when a linux youtubers installing it So they have to go watch it. They're all in the chat They all tell you how to install it in a slightly different way And if you listen to more than one at a time You're never gonna get that thing to look Look ment ment gentu install was made so difficult by the fact that initially it was just gonna be me helping him Then josh was like well, dude. I mean obviously you got to have me there and I'm like, okay, of course By the end of it we have like freaking five six people Inside of a call all trying to help met all giving them different advice and this poor man is freaking out He's like I swear to god if someone gives me another six different way to do this Well, you start the installation thinking you're gonna do open rc, but then somebody tells you don't do that do system Now he went system d first Because you know that's what he's familiar with he just didn't realize that the system d does not work in the ch route So i'm pretty sure that that first stream josh was actually in his car and pull off to the side of the road just to be in the Oh, I think so. Yeah, that's right Like he couldn't he was like on his way home from work or something And he couldn't make it to the beginning of the ring. He's just pulling over to the side of the road Just so I can correct something that tyler was having me do Can I just say pulled over the car and then told me what I was doing wrong That is so josh. I can lose that. That is so josh. That is josh That's why we love him. That should be a nerd benchmark now If you have not pulled over on the side of the road To correct somebody's linux install you are not a nerd anymore Do I have to give back my uh knuckle tattoos? What would you say I said do I have to give back my uh nerd life knuckle tattoos then because I have not done that One thing I wanted to add about the craziest sponsorships because I just did think about this And it does kind of count since patrons are sponsors. Yes, they are love them Thank you guys. I made a video. Thank you. I made a video a couple of years ago Um talking about this youtuber named roil vandepore. Oh, I remember that video. Yeah, the guy that uploaded two million videos To youtube. It's all automated spam. I remember that. Yeah, and after I made that video exposing his little scheme of how he's doing He subscribed to my patreon Said hey, man. I saw the video uh really liked it Like okay, I responded back. I was like, well, thanks. I'm glad you liked it Anything else he said he responded back. Yeah, could you take the video down? That's great, so when he spent money to message you to ask to clear his name Well, I don't know if he really expected that to work, but I mean he asked nicely like he did say please That's not gonna happen, buddy Is he still subscribed or did he subscribe? Oh, that was a couple years ago I don't know how long I don't know if he stuck around after that first month or whatever At the very least we have to give this person credit He was nice about it. You know what that's why I was bringing it up. It was such an unusual kind of thing Yeah No, so that actually brought another question of mine What was the most surprising person that's ever subscribed to your channel that surprised you that they actually Distortube Me too When I only think I might have had I might have had what maybe 20 videos and he like subscribed to my channel Holy shit. I actually felt like I arrived and I was like I have arrived. I had 300 video I had 300 subscribers and you know in the the Studio they give you the like the top Subscribers that you have and Distortube was like come on and that's not really Distortube is it? There's no way that that's the real Distortube Yeah, I just thought went to my head too, man. That's wild. I had I The surprise I had was Chris like to stick and he's a sponsor on github too. Wow Look, all right. So this is kind of a two factor for me because I'm like for me The biggest one is actually mental outlaw like when I found out that mental outlaw like Watched my open bsd videos and recommended them in his own videos. Like I was like, oh That's insane like Yeah, so that that one was like I I'd never expected mental outlaw like just because I've Never interacted with him. I watched his content, but I never expected that I would be ever Like someone he would be interested in like I just didn't I don't really make content that I thought he would be interested in and I'm also not a privacy focused person Like mainly anyway, like right I kind of care about privacy But you know, I'm not like it's not my sole focus or anything like that. I'm not into op sec or whatever So so that one was wild, but I am lame in the sense that When when you when Derek when you subscribed to my channel I did I I did screenshot it Because I was like I was like this is the only one like I was like this is the person that I watch and was the reason I I switched and like was confident in making Linux content and Like I knew what kind of style of content I wanted to make mainly based off of watching you and figured out what I like about your videos So like when you subscribed to my channel, I was like, all right, I'm doing good Let's all be a little honest with ourselves that when we started the Linux our Linux channels We all had the aspirations to one day be distro to Yep Well, not me not yeah, it's interesting because obviously that's not my case either because Six years ago though, it was so different because there weren't nearly As many Linux content creators like it was a much smaller place. Even the ones that were doing this kind of content weren't That big of a channel like it was unusual to see somebody have 20 30 000 subs for a Linux Like that was like man, you're a big bowler in that space because there was just wouldn't that now, you know, obviously I mean some of the folks here, right? They're doing yep big things, right? So when I first subscribed, I can't say that I had any big Linux Creator subscribed to me because I really weren't like it where they weren't any Like the people we were just naming people like chris titus tech mental outlawing me I weren't even around when I started my channel So, uh, but now I can go back and look at my analytics And I've got a bunch of people that have a million or more subs that are subscribed to my channel I don't know any of these names Because I don't even know if these are real channels I don't know if you guys have gone through and looked at the lifetime subscriber list Yeah, I wonder how much of that is automated. Yeah, some some Yeah, you can like tell that they've paid one of those Channels that kind of paid for their subscribers like they don't have videos or they just have one and it's about cryptocurrency You click on their link or whatever their username and they have one video and it doesn't have any views And it's like how the hell you have 1.5 million subs Yep. Yeah Oh, yeah, those will be the accounts that get scrubbed Oh, even worse is the instagram people that have like a million followers and you know, those aren't real followers Yep, for one thing you're not a girl and you don't look good Come on I was telling jesse jesse and jonathan. I'm like, you don't really want to explode the channel All we gotta do is get some chick on the channel Well that or like what you do is you start especially on instagram if you want to get popular It's only like two ways you need you need to be a model or What you do is you become a meme filter channel. You just post memes. That's it The channel that I do want to briefly mention somebody that I do Oh a lot of like my early success kind of like you guys were talking about me shouting you guys out You know all of that I still had like I don't know 700 800 subs and only been at it for Three or four months I was trying to get to a thousand subs because I had the 4 000 watch hours or whatever But you had to have a certain yeah a thousand subs to get monetized I was really trying to make that push and A youtuber whose channel was big daddy linux rocko over at big daddy linux He he quit doing youtube about three or four years ago but back then he had a pretty popular channel and He sent out a tweet and talked about it on video. Hey, let's help this uh this Distro tube guy get to a thousand subs so he can get monetized so and he really helped me Get to that number early on and then I started appearing on his live streams a lot because he did a weekly uh live stream show The person who helped me was who you alec by introducing me to kabeer Yeah Yeah, kabeer is a genius kabeer got me to monetization Status in less than 20 48 hours legitimately not no bullshit by wise not illegitimately. Yeah seo magic Because he I had to use the the special words for seo He did all the magic on all my videos and I had at the time. I had only what 20 videos up Yeah, pretty videos and bless you He made me reach all the watch hours and the subscriber count at the same time in less than 48 hours What what pushed me well kabeer helped me with that But what really got me a lot more subscribers was when dt shouted me out and caused a whole drama to happen in my life For a minute there the only drama i've ever had With that guy. Yeah, yeah, let's not even bring him up Yeah, well, let's see here because when we were talking about scam artist earlier Now i've been around a lot of scam art That's why I was can tell you how they operate and when I saw this guy I was like, yeah, he was like straight up his whole life. He's probably been one Yep It's funny how we all know what he's talking about I I just I didn't even mean to step in that hornet's nest is just that I just Somebody set me the video as a subscriber and I was like cool And then I got to talking about it and then it blew up and it was just bad I just I just got a patreon message from someone Um, they said hey, can you take this live stream down? I guess from the royal vandepar thing Hey, what are you doing sending me these messages? Uh, let's see here That's subscribers to me is linux and casa, which looks to be a spanish speaking channel. So Yeah, he's so I I tried to get I I forgot to mention that I tried to get him on the show He is very large in the spanish market. He's got 6 000 subscribers and he is amazing He's actually very good. I can understand him because I speak fluent spanish, but most of you guys wouldn't And uh, he says he didn't he didn't feel that his spanish or his english was strong enough to be on here But he's actually a pretty cool dude. Yeah, I do spanish Oh, let's see. Let's see zany is not subscribed to me neither is matt. That's a disappointment. I am too Don't you know You have to have your subscriptions public for you to appear in that list So, yeah, that's the problem. It's not everybody. That's it's gonna appear Oh, all right. All right. Like I like I am too. How do you think I get notifications every time there's a distro hacking? I gotta get in there and troll I want to I want to turn the question notifications on discord. No, I want to turn the question Backwards and I want to say Who's the the the the person that Is subscribed to you one of your subscribers who number one Uh, you never thought would subscribe to you number two who turned out to be a different A better human being than you ever expected him or her Well, that's tough because I don't interact with All of my subscribers like damn, dude All right, really? We're supposed to know our subscribers like like on a personal level No, no, no, no personal level. I'm saying that who you contacted and contacted you back and You he I caught and the contact back was more than you Better than you expect. Well, I will say this because I've interacted with probably 200 different Linuxy or tech content creators over the years Just being in the space people patrons of mine or i'm patrons of them or you know, we talk Various platforms reddit or wherever mastodon Sometimes I've been on their streams. They've been on mine, etc And they've all been great people like literally there are only Maybe two Or three that I would say, you know, just Are probably like horrible people in real life and it comes across kind of obvious that they're that but But honestly this space is mostly just genuine people That are good dudes for the most part and I say dudes because it's mostly 97 percent men unfortunately, but there are some very nice women in the space as well Yeah, I remember nixie pixel back in the day Yeah, but Instagram Yeah But but many of them especially the ones that have Channels that do video content Or a little different when you talk to them not in front of a camera like on a live stream Yeah, for me once again, it would have to be dt Actually because I know my camera is not on uh, I didn't um I didn't think that you would even take a minute to talk to me because I was so small at the time You know, and then when you Do that is because it helps me out in the beginning So like I I know how much it it it helps. Yeah, it really got I was grateful for that to be honest with you Unless I want to see I want to see everybody succeed. I want all you guys Yeah, you turn out to be you turn out to be bigger than me because honestly, I don't want to do this Forever, you know, like well, I but I still want people to be making content about Linux for an open source software So, you know, I think it's we we want this space to be as As big as possible as popular as possible The reason I brought up this question is because I wanted to throw a shout out towards my My brother in christ over here Snack ops unit Because thank you Uh When I first started talking to to jesse over here I never thought that we would end up collaborating and creating the a podcast together and I approached you by Patreon because I wanted help with zero at first. I think yeah, that's how we met We weren't talking about the podcast, but no, that was a long time coming the podcast and you and you said, yeah, i'm available. I'm like And and when we started talking about spiritual things afterwards and I was like Uh, I I can't believe I'm I found someone who who shares my spiritual belief In the linux world let alone on youtube So I was I've met some really cool people in the linux space obviously, you know You being one of them and and the podcast was successful wouldn't have been successful without without jesse I just got to remind everybody that that's the actual purpose of this whole stream Was to show how cool we actually are with each other We are human and we are good people and you will find good people in in the linux sphere It's not only full of elitist elitist mindsets and And then there's always that tyler most of us are just regular dudes And also I must give credit huge credit to tyler For something great that he did me Like we had a five-hour stream with all half of you guys over here. We're on that stream Including josh But that a five-hour stream allowed me to get out of the bubble that I was living under or the rock I was living under that was called zero linux And how and the how badly I was treating people and how dismissive I was Uh It well, I think that's kind of the good thing about like Like yeah, like especially when it's when it comes to like all right. I know not everyone uses discord but the nice thing about discord is like there's There's all normally on most of our servers If you if you hang around for a while, there's there's always conversations and texts going on there's also normally voice calls and like Yeah We are normally just especially if we're sitting out of the computer and we're working on something that doesn't require us being recorded or Whatever like We're normally there just talking and anyone can do about normal everyday stuff. And we're also Extremely open with each other. Like I I don't know like our discord calls are normally always like very Direct and like like we don't I don't know. It's like We have a very open conversation on discord all the time and like That's one of the nice things about Discord like you can always hop in and have a conversation like I don't know how many times people have come into What kills me about people on my discord is people who are like new to like either My channel or like the discord itself will be afraid To hop in and start talking. I'm like just no do it like A lot of people a lot of people do hop in though and they they mute and they don't even talk or Contribute to the conversation Well, they're I mean they want to dip their toe in and see what it's like Yeah, I get I get muting and not wanting to like interrupt a conversation Or like make sure your audio is good Like I get all of that kind of stuff But like when it comes to people who are scared to talk Like I'm like I don't get that like no, we're not We're not like a close off Like yeah, we're not gonna bite you Yeah, exactly like come on in I ain't gonna lie I was shocked. I was shocked as hell to find out the tt actually Was in discord You know what I was starting to wonder if I was gonna make it because discord is Didn't want to play nice with me this one When tyler when tyler first told me that you came to his discord and actually played games with him on discord I was like, are you here? Are you kidding me? I said my first word's out of my mouth word, but it's not it's not false It's proprietary the the best thing about my discord server is Derek you come on there and we'll play zero ad with me not like not super frequently, but pretty frequently But because of that gap in time that we like where we don't play zero ad There are people who join the discord and who will like be like I really want to play zero ad Or like I want to know when the next zero ad match is and somebody will mention like well Make sure Derek might be in six weeks. It might be three months from now Yeah There are people that hear that you are on discord and play zero ad with me who don't believe it in between those gaps And are like mind blown when they see you on the discord. They're like, oh my oh my god I thought this was like a lie a myth I I can understand why because Derek talks so little in in those uh Game livestreams. It's like you guys are talking where Derek throws throws in a water to if we're playing zero ad And if you're good, you don't have time You don't have time to talk because I'm trying to figure out is my ratio of spearmen to archers The correct, you know like because you got to have some melee units, you know to take down the rams But them elements you really want some archers, you know, and I need to get to tier three asap right now for them So I can have siege weapons like oh when they show up with rams and all you have is 200 archers You know, you just resign right you just Like the best game of zero ad that we have ever played was that last time where you and josh were on a team Because i'm telling you I was I was keeping you back. I was keeping the pressure on I was doing so good You talking about the game where I mistakenly ended the game Like by uh Yeah, that was I mean it was a good game, but it's unfortunate that it ended by a mistake Well, no like that No, actually it was a really Because we lost like we lost the the game that i'm talking about because I was keeping the pressure on you and we were coming Oh, you're talking about the one before that with me and big pod Yes, yeah, okay, I'm about to say yeah Yeah, the one that when you were talking about if that was I was like, yeah the one where I accidentally destroyed my civic center I have a question related to zero ad I'm trying to get my dad into the game Because he loves those kind of games, but the problem with that with that it doesn't have scenarios to play Yes, it does. Yeah, it does There are some single player it has kermishes maps that you play but not the campaign If you if you go into single player, there is a campaign mode and it literally says Yeah, yeah, there's some things you can do Okay, let me correct that he's on window and the windows version is called zero ad alpha It's the same for yeah, it's the same in linux. It's all the same version Yeah, well, I went to I went to uh campaigns. It gave me demo campaign and nothing Empty I'm gonna use zero ad so I have no idea how to fix this for you So let me I'm trying to get my dad into the game because it's literally age age of empires one and two I I actually want to uh piggyback on the surprise reactions for a second two because I remember when Steve and I brought The zero bites podcast to a close earlier this year and During one of our wrap-up meetings Steve had told me, you know, hey, you know, alex over at the linux tube wants to talk to you That that, you know alex for whatever reason sought me out To add me to the linux tube team and I was I was awestruck, you know, I loved what Steve and I did I did not think I was a good enough content creator for somebody to come and be like, hey I want to add you to what I'm doing and I got NBA drafted from zero That's exactly how I felt and and the last episode of zero bites was like, hey, we're back. Goodbye Yeah I Think it was the right thing to do at the time as weird as it was Yeah, and Steve I couldn't I couldn't thank you enough for, you know, pulling me out of twitch gaming for Waste of my time and get me into the linux creator space Yeah, it was it was it was great and I have news I wanted to use this opportunity during the christmas special Hey, say ho ho ho A new zero linux podcast is on the way, but it's going to be called different It's got a it's gonna come with a new name A new producer And the producer is on this panel and he knows himself It's matt it's matt we all know it's matt. It's definitely not I'm not producing anything I am helping you with a theme I am not your producer I am helping you with me sir because you're the guy who's gonna help me come out of I am I am helping you with some graphics Right I am not steve's producer I have to say You need to walk that one back my dude Let me ask a question guys Uh If you were to make content about anything other than linux, like I say you decided to you you didn't want to make Linux content anymore. What would you pivot to? Oh, that's a good question. Oh, wow That's super easy because that's what it's basically what my shorts are Okay Everyone you do seems to be from work or or telling matt he's doing some early moment vlogs No one's gonna like my answer, but it would honestly be dead side content I would switch over to running windows and just play dead side all You know, I was thinking that too like I I could actually be happy just doing free and open source gaming Mm-hmm No, I I could have dedicated channel to zero ad and be happy for me. I love it For me, I would switch to doing like a travel escapes or something like that Yeah A travel vlog I that that would be interesting too. Yeah Well, actually another thing that would be really cool Like if we want to keep it in the vein of like free and open source like I have Get away from tech something not tech. Yeah, that's that's exactly where I'm at I want to get away from tech man. Yeah Oh, well, I mean in that case I do have an off-grid passion So I like I could easily make content about like, you know, like, you know, putting up smaller panels building up They're gonna do hunting videos. I was thinking the same thing. I could do a lot of outdoorsy stuff You know now for me For me, I if it wasn't going to be tech I would be making spiritual videos That would be good too. That would be cool. Yeah, it'd be books I'd be doing books probably books. I could see that fan fiction or Oh, that's a good idea stuff like that. Yeah Oh, come on. You should You should you should do if you if you want to talk about fiction Isaac as them all All the way can I also say something for a second? I just want to mention that since this is the christmas podcast Huge shout out to matt. Thank you very much. I appreciate it He bought me DaVinci Resolve studio and if people wonder why I'm here I do a lot of edits for different people that's on this podcast. You're going to be making mine Your work is stately brother Your work is stately. Thank you so much. I guess we should be thinking matt too If you're gonna use that Purely selfish because he's got to edit out all of the ums and aws out of the podcast so Here's here when you when you're talking about he recognizes that my audio is the best audio Even though he completely destroys my audio track every time I Wow, was that a compliment or a backhanded compliment? No, but seriously when you're talking about us and alms You know that there's a piece of software on linux that you feed the video to and will take the us and alms out And matt you talked about it one steve steve Find out what that software is because you go, uh Uh, uh a lot you can do that you can automate a lot of the cutting But you have to be careful because sometimes it will Yeah, cut things that Weren't really you have to create some weird space where that that all or that um that pause made sense But when you remove it Well, it's it's very jarring. You know the worst the worst part about those automated systems is If your um or aw is not completely separate from another word It'll cut it can't distinguish the cutoff time. Yeah, so You have you have what are you talking about man? AI is gonna fix that And you don't want to automate any of your your video editing to be honest because the the youtube channels that Do automated editing you can tell and there's a lot of weird Stuff with them and people complain you're gonna have comments about well, that was a strange cut here This word was missing a syllable here Yeah The video editing I know a lot of people don't even watch their videos that they edit I like they don't even go through the whole timeline to make sure that everything recorded correctly Like you know, I've seen people post videos where the camera's not working for a few minutes in their video And they didn't they should have caught that if they'd edited the video But they just kind of had a script that rendered it and they didn't really watch it Or people that have no audio in their video and they still publish it to youtube It's like how do you let that go my first few videos that I Know that's a lot of people that's not a eric de bois only though like a lot of people do that I've seen a lot of youtube videos that didn't have audio and we're supposed to What did you say matt? I said my first few videos that I uploaded on my channel I didn't edit at all like I I would check the first few minutes and if the first few minutes was fine I just let it go because Didn't edit it. Yeah, me too. I was so surprised. I made a video and completed it I just put it up there. I'm like, yeah, here you go I'm surprised you even did it. Yeah, exactly My channel was just for the podcast and I was not editing that podcast I still don't want it at the podcast. That's fine So what made you want to do what made you want to do the channel? Uh, nobody was watching. Well, I mean I was only getting like listens on the audio. So so I started the linux cast and my friend ricky in 2017 Just an audio podcast. We decided we wanted to use linux Uh, I stuck with it. He didn't and then we just stopped after a little while It just kind of petered off and then in 2020 I checked my anchor Statistics and I was like people are listening to the podcast. I don't know why they're really really bad episodes Like they're not edited the the we recorded them on skype And if you've ever recorded anything on skype, you know that the audio is just Garbage, it's so bad garbage So when I found out that people were listening, I was like, you know, maybe there's something in this So I decided to start uploading them to youtube And you know, they got a few these or whatever and then I was like, you know, I want to make some I started using a program called zen wiki to take notes I was like, I'm gonna make a video about this And so I made it in one of those and the next day I found something else For a good like four or five months. I made a video every single day And then in march 2020 dt called my video hit my channel I was like I had 400 subscribers like there's no way I'm gonna stick with this because it's just 400 subscribers And then in a day I had 2000 subscribers. I was like, what am I supposed to do? Wow absolutely Bonkers and that's just got real overnight. Yeah, it was crazy Well, because I wasn't even close to the monetization for us. I had 400 subscribers. I was at like a thousand Watch hours or whatever and then the the next day I was monetized or I was able to be monetized You know, they don't prove you that fast, but when you was bonkers When you called my channel out and you you said go subscribe to him I think I gained like 600 subscribers 800 subscribers overnight too. No, I totally stole the youtubers. I'm watching thing from dt Yeah, that's that's the best way to to get to point people and Especially, you know small content creators. I normally don't shout out people that Have more than a few thousand subs because honestly those people are probably Already kind of dedicated consistent. They're gonna be all right, but I see a lot of folks that sometimes making Extraordinarily good content Especially compared to some of the videos I made in the early days of my channel Like people have really good setups. They speak well. They present well on camera and then they only have 200 300 subs. That's like dude. We we got to help this guy out Yeah, and I usually that that little spark. Yeah, just They probably would have got there anyway. You guys have been would have been fine. It's just a little little jump start It's Yeah, it is if you've been helped, you know, you're gonna help mom And I you know, it's really fun because I've been thinking about doing one of those videos myself here recently But I came onto your channel as a guest to talk about zero linux and I did that. Yeah, that video is Uh How can I say it's the one that got zero linux off the ground because to this day I still see people coming to me. The reason I'm trying your distro is because I saw it I saw dt talk about you were uh on dt's thing and when you talked about zero linux They said we saw we saw you on his Channel and then we saw your distro him reviewing your distro That's the only reason well to be fair if anybody that watched that video I mean all you talk about steve is zero linux, right? Like You're like always the by the way I use orange you're like No, because it was my attempt to advertise zero linux. How do you advertise a product if you don't talk about the right at the time and Then I I had you on my channel We reversed roles And I had you on my channel. That was the very first video that reached 1000 views in three days That was the only video and still the only video that reached that point I have a video that I had since the beginning of the channel that just crossed 6000 views because I have it as the Uh the the welcome video for the channel because the uh intro video for the channel That's the only reason it got to 6000 because they're forced to watch it One thing about your content, uh, steve and for uh Matt as well because you did the podcast the linux tube obviously these long form podcast You know a lot of people tend to listen to them as audio and youtube is not a great place for Nobody would listen to the audio Unfortunately, that's that's one and and you get punished Because of the way the youtube algorithms work You know, they they want watch time as far as a percentage of How long people stick with a video if you posting really long videos a lot of people don't stick around for the whole And youtube punish you for that Unless you add chapters what i've been doing What i've been doing to get money out of it for you know to get more views for them Is is i've been cutting up into shorts and having to go be posted throughout the week Yeah, a lot of people do uh separate channels too If you know like all your shorter stuff That's only like 10 minutes or whatever have that As a main channel and then do all the long form content on a separate channel So like brody, you're not punished all if it's all in one channel. Yeah Yeah, I like brody bro has deck over tea for the long form and yeah, uh the other one Well, you don't get punished for a long like so the the problem is is when you're only doing one If you if you can like now this is extremely hard to To maintain but if you can post Shorts videos and a live stream every day youtube won't punish you for that. Yeah That's a lot of work A lot of content the way the videos in a yeah You you do that let let us know how that works. Yeah. Yeah, you'll stick with that for a very long time A couple weeks now with my system being down to me diving into nyx os. I have been doing that lately, but You could automate the process and you potentially becoming a manager that will give you less time Then you'll be that guy that dt cover You'll be another row hill vandepar if you're doing that So so a couple things first george castrow. Thank you for the super chat. I really appreciate it second of all, um The thing that I completely forgot what I was gonna say That's why you don't do two things at once because you you completely lose also once you once you turn 40 you can't remember shit Oh 40 Hey, we cross that bridge. He's an old man now Where's your cane? Where's your long gray beard? I have a cane. It's like right here I'm closer to 40 than not, but I'm still you know flirting with it gingerly. I'm not quite there I don't know what you guys are talking about I'm I'm 53 years old and I work at a steel shop man. Just all day long man climbing on steel That's why I look up to you kuya You're gonna say fit dude. He's good. I see that. There's a future Runs upstairs I work on an average of 14 to 15 hours a day. So that's why I don't actually record too much content, right That's why he's going to my job title is stakeholders. So I'm basically on call 24 7 I Work a full eight hours and I come home and make a video And I want I want to say thank I want to say also thanks to someone who deserves it Matt over here because when I reached out to him and I said I would He sent he sent an open invite for somebody to be a third person to be part of the podcast and I threw my my My candidature to him and I was like, yeah, he's not gonna accept because I'm selfish and I talked about zero linux and nothing but zero linux. What? Never Yeah Thank you kuya And and and then and then I was like he's gonna throw me a cold one And so I gave up and then the next minute I see him telling me hey Hey Yeah, uh, if you want to be part of the podcast Why not I ended up with two of you guys What were you thinking matt and how much Tylenol do you take before you start the show? It's it's been no, no, no, no Ask me how how much Tylenol I'll take after the edits Oh really you cut yeah, you cut my arms and arms out. Yeah, I know Now he's he's also editing this Yes, no, no, I'm giving this to Jonathan Okay, by Nate seriously, Nate if you are willing To help me out with with editing my future videos for my comeback Let me know It's over there like oh my god No, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna Sorry, Steve. No, it's not about it's not about me being lazy to edit videos I literally have a health situation that's called extreme anxiety attacks when I when it comes to editing No one likes editing videos too. I try no one does Yeah Except for those people who want to do it for a living those are the folks who like to actually do it but It'd be like being part of the deadliest catch. You don't last very long Yeah, I tried editing my videos. I want to go do that right my odds and ums If you put them together all together they span half the video Half the video. Yeah, so I did that a lot when I first started was the I was a big ums guy right I said um a lot So I actually googled how to stop yourself from saying um and the best way to do is just to shut up When you when you think you're gonna say I'm close your mouth be quiet It's much easier to cut out a silence than it is to cut out an um So this is what I was going to do. This is what I was also because that's what Tyler told me you did Also, one of the biggest things too is especially if you're trying to edit a video Is if you think you're gonna say um and you were quiet don't move your head Stay there because you can actually jump cut to that part And it makes it look seamless to where like you're like boom All the trade secrets now, aren't we? Yeah Well, I think the filler words are a big deal for a lot of people. I I know that they are I still do Everybody suffers from them. I just transition to different filler words So I don't say um as nearly as much as I used to now I say, you know, and I used to say going through a lot like all the damn time Also transfer words are fine. The problem is is most people overuse them naturally So you have to train yourself to be quiet most the time and also not Overthink it to the point where you're not even natural in normal conversation because you'll like you won't say a but or an um because like There that's normal like There there is a certain level of pausing and filler words that is natural And then there is also using it way too much because you're trying to think about what you're saying and that's also Like that's why I tell people if you want to the easiest way to stop yourself from cutting out filler words Is to record yourself and force yourself to edit Every like do three separate recordings a minimum of 10 minutes each and go through and edit All of the ums and all's out. Yeah, you'll hate it so much. You wouldn't want to do it anyway Well, no, like what what it does is it gets you upset at how much you use it It as long as you're overusing it it will get you upset You will learn through editing why you're saying it like either you're over Think like you're overthinking you being recorded at that moment or because I mean you remember you recorded yet So you'll remember all all of the things that are making you cause or making you say that and then you can stop that You can address that and also you learn other filler words Like through through editing that you'll learn other things like you'll have other ideas for what you could say if You need to do that that make it seem much more natural My problem is I have the word in English in my head But as soon as I want to say it it it tries to come out in Arabic or French So for me when I when I notice I start doing the oz or the ums Is when I'm in the middle of trying to think of something because something threw me off It's like I'm like, uh, it's like I need to learn to shut my mouth so it doesn't come out So I'll be like maybe humming It's like that video you did with the linux commands and it can't mess enough the which one The linux commands Or you reboot your g2 install and it doesn't boot and you're like, uh That's a perfect time for an extended Typing I am horrible at typing and it always what I'm trying to do it live. I'm like shit You were trying to set my system up And like there were multiple times where you would run a command and I'm like, no brother There's no cap like not the capital like it's all over gays like or like you would go like Because like, you know, we were talking about how so some program names have hyphens in them Yeah, and then you would every time I would give you a command with a flag you'd be like You would like either start typing it in the backspace or just pause and you'd sit there for a second and be like, uh so One of the things with command line utilities too when you when you read tutorials about certain command line utilities You can tell that some people that are writing like articles and blog posts and things on these things They don't realize that there are slight differences between the good new core utilities and the bsd utilities And the same command can have different flags depending on Which one you installed so Yeah, you'll try to use a flag that is right there in the documentation, but it doesn't work Guys out there in the chat man. Just know you listen to us man who have been using links for quite a while We still have issues. We got issues man. We got issues That's why I another reason and another reason that causes Especially me to say us and ums is when I'm fiddling around to change scenes in obs And I want to show my desktop versus my window because I do involve a keyboard and mouse Thanks to josh over here for introducing me to obs Base whatever it's called Yeah On the ipad like oh, yeah, there's a new thing that josh told me about really so it's all I don't have to fiddle with anything and lose anything because the thing is in my lap And I can just switch scenes without having to fiddle with the key bindings looking for the key binding on the keyboard Or try to move with the mouse to find my mouse Click the right thing and click the transition and everything. It's just on the ipad Yeah, you have you have you have a elgato without paying the price of elgato Exactly. Okay. So I have an elgato. It's a piece of So the the the stream deck thing is just it's mostly useless, but you can you can there's deck master You can use it on linux. It's fine and it works good But I just I'm so used to doing it with a keyboard right and honestly if you were going to get a stream deck Why not just get a dedicated little macro keyboard? Just for your obs command or whatever actually all right. All right. I'll explain why Pretty pictures on the stream May has it may has a monitor to do it I'm spending $30 on a little macro keyboard spending $200 on that because we all know that we're gamers and Tech enthusiasts we need rgb and pretty Everything we need party And I got 18 macros on this keyboard and this keyboard is from 2005 There you go. Well If if you were a true elgato fanboy, you would know that that's not enough you need a stream deck Yeah, yeah, there's also you're not sponsored without telling us. You're not sponsored Yeah There's a keyboard. There's a keyboard where the entire keyboard is Plastic keys which with nothing behind them. You can give them any Icon you want the entire keyboard you can get a If you're using a mechanical keyboard It's an actually it's an actually backlit Keys that where you can it's exactly like the elgato But I live only for one year it got discontinued the year the the year after that because it was too expensive. It was a thousand dollars For a while zsa Zsa who makes my moonlander keyboard? Yeah for a while They were offering the ability to just order one half of the keyboard because it's a split keyboard So if you wanted like a third section like a second left hand section that could be a dedicated macro Keyboard for controlling something like obs. I think they discontinued that because they weren't that many people interested in just having the one half Uh, what it was available for a while I cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be on a split keyboard. It's already bad enough. I can If it was bad, it's still gonna be bad It probably won't get better either I'll be hitting in the middle of between them The only difference to a split keyboard is it trains your because like you're very used to using like Like doing this kind of like motion with your hand for like other key bindings Yeah, you're no longer gonna reach with this hand to hit why because why is now on that Exactly for me it was b so I just recently bought a moon lander. Thank you Derek I I spent so much money because the ball guy buys stuff. Yes. I have a Zsa has gotten a thousand dollars for me just in keyboards. Yeah I bought one because Derek said it was good and and I can't not do it So I bought one and for me the key that bugged me the most was that for whatever reason I typed b with my right hand, but b is on the left side of the keyboard And what I noticed is when I with the thumb clusters because you've You know on a regular keyboard you have that gigantic spacebar Right and for I realized I had only ever used one thumb ever to hit that spacebar. So one thumb On this hand never did anything It so I was essentially typing all that time for years and years my whole life with just nine fingers Because one thumb I just didn't do anything with now now. I'm forced to actually use all 10 fingers And it makes sense. Yeah I'm pretty much giving up trying to put it back in the box, but I'll be stubborn and get it out again Because it was because you spent money on that thing. It was expensive. Yeah. Yeah, they're not the thing though Is it's not my most expensive keyboard so I can Yeah, you have a more expensive keyboard. I I have a custom mechanical keyboard that I built It was over 500 dollars Oh, wow It typically is when you build your own a lot of people will On my videos about the moon lander and the ergo docs and all these zsa keyboards They're like, man, that's so expensive 365 dollars. I just build my own and I always tell them in the the comments Yeah, good luck with that I think they're gonna save so much money unless you already have the soldering iron and all the equipment and I got a question. Why have you why why do they not sponsor your channel? I haven't asked them to Money you spent on they are very friendly to me. Let me be clear They actually featured me on their website and at interview one time They actually do I I don't know if I got one this year last year. They sent me a christmas card with a little gift So, yeah, they're friendly people when we talk about people in the linux space I obviously not necessarily linux, but the zsa guys. They're good people too. Yeah, those folks I think people who get into the Wow The thing about the the I mean like you got to think about it from their perspective job. Don't even try Why sponsor somebody who's already a customer and who spent I mean, I'm already got I already Tell people gay go by this keyboard. I mean, what are you gonna do? He's already he's already given them so much. You're doing the job. Well, I mean, he got me to buy the keyboard So I can't be the only one The the people who who look at that price for the moon lander and like that Don't know what if you if you want you get into the to the custom mechanical keyboard scene You realize just how much you can spend on a keyboard some I mean thousands and thousands of dollars At least I know for a fact matt has spent over $1,000 on keyboards in one year. Oh, definitely. Oh, yeah Well, I've done that It's not even hard like you don't have to buy that many And then you go into keycaps and switches and you see that little uh flashy keyboard back there that little 40 keyboard That's the zsa plank, which has since been discontinued. I paid 270 bucks for that thing So between that and the moon lander that's $650 just sitting here on these two discs right now The I've got the ergo docks at home And folks that's $365 And folks if you're out there listen this segment has been brought to you by zsa Hey, but that's but I've got other keyboards that are not zsa. That's the thing when we talk about keyboards Yeah, there's a lot of money that gets tied into these I got a question for you. I used to be a blogger a constant blogger and people would think yeah You've been doing blogging for like 15 20 years. You you must be typing without even looking Well to this day, I've been Since I had a computer to this day. I had my first computer was in 95 so To this day I still type like this and I keep looking at the keyboard because I cannot memorize the keyboard I tell you you're a peck typer Yeah Yeah, I get a lot of comments on my videos sometimes people like, you know when I start typing I I look down at the keyboard because I have to see where to place my hands and the reason I do that Oh, a lot of people don't realize like the magic of a trick photography Like I am at a 45 degree angle looking at this camera right now to where my keyboard is So when I twist to go to the keyboard, I have to look at it because I have no idea where the damn thing is and you know Yeah, they think I'm right in front of it and I got to look down like Not to mention or whatever. No, I just need to see where the keyboard is before I start typing Not to mention our generation didn't grow up with keyboards in our hands. No Yeah, well, like my thing is is like my keyboard Uh, I have to look at it because I'm actually used to 65 percent keyboards Because that's what I normally use if I'm like going out somewhere Or like I'm like I've got another keyboard other than this one So anytime I'm using a full-size keyboard even though I'm used to this one I still have to look at it like I'm not I don't have to look at it to continue typing after a minute But I have to look at it to get started with your hands. Yeah, and not every keyboard. So I have oriented Yeah, not every keyboard has the little raised humps for j and uh, what's the other key f? Uh, the two keys that have the humps on the home road to help you uh Like if it's all just flat keys like on a lot of mechanical keyboards unless you specifically ordered the ones with the humps You may have nothing but flat keys on it. Well, so unless you look it's very hard to figure out Figure out where you are different profile keycaps Also, for me on the phone People find it weird that I swipe type. There's there's this uh swipe board That's so easy. Yeah I do the swipe typing, but I cannot type on my keyboard. I have to peck type On your on your phone Oh on my phone, it's swipe. Okay. Okay. Okay On my actual computer computer keyboard. I peck type and When I say to you guys, I don't like window managers because it relies on key bindings a lot This makes a lot more sense time but a lot because I peck type And I don't remember where the keys are and I have to keep doing some hand gymnastics Steve should use Yeah, we love keyboards control c control c control x and you yeah Steve here's your uh, here's your new keyboard Yeah, I gotta admit I'm a hybrid. I'm a hybrid peck typer I can sometimes I'll catch myself peck typing, but then I switch back to the other one. So I don't know. It's just weird Now I've got a super chat. I want to mention uh, just briefly uh, uh user name is anonymous X and the X is the twitter logo. Okay. Well, I appreciate the super chat He says I watch it from Saudi Arabia about four years. Uh, very cool. Nice. Wow Nice, oh Hold on Steve. Hold on Steve. Hold on Steve. Hang on. Hang on. Other people got to talk. Got a legit question. Got a legit question. Um Since tt was talking about how expensive his keyboards were have you done the thing that I've done where I've actually insured my stuff? You know, I have it, but I have I have considered it I have considered it You have your keyboard to insured and if somebody's broke into this office and stole like just my moonlight We already done that's $650. They just stole the keyboards, which is easy because they're small Would I want that insured anything over a hundred dollars? I mean, uh The renters insurance is something that if you have a lot of tech and a lot of gear and especially if you live in Places where there are hurricanes And stuff. Mm-hmm We're bigger. So Louisworth crime Yeah, yeah, or all the above. Yeah, or both. Yeah, like me And me well, I don't get hurricanes The good news is I live in the middle of michigan where there's nobody else living. So I'm good Yeah, but you get a lot of snow though That just means I don't leave I leave the house even less in the end. I thought Yeah, I I decided it wasn't really that worth it for me I mean if somebody stole this stuff, I'd be upset, but would it be the end of the world? No I just have to order more keyboards. But you just have to start off with that brilliant plan Was if somebody stole a keyboard man, they must really need that keyboard Hey, they were they were they were a lot more hard up than I am. So I You enjoy that keyboard, buddy Yeah, here's how I'll look at it though. Go ahead. Jesse. I know you're gonna say something No, it's okay. Finish your thought and then I'll jump in Oh, let's go to say here's the way I look at it. I hope they still bond so I can claim the insurance to get something better So here's okay, that's what these are with these keyboards more These keyboards never die. I've had my ergo docs now for probably at least four maybe five years now Never had an issue with it. No dead keys. Nothing nothing weird with it. It's just worked the entire time I've never had to do anything other than when I first bought it program reprogram a couple of keys to do different things and the defaults And that's been five years ago moonlander. I've had it for probably what three years maybe now same thing Never had an issue with it. I don't know if these keyboards will last forever but They seem rock solid and I Like unless somebody stole it, I don't think it's ever gonna break To the point where I have to buy something else I think I need I like you said somebody needs to steal it so I can buy the latest and greatest keyboard Hey, because they have a new profile one that looks really cool. I'm gonna get it eventually Uh, I've got another low profile keyboard from a different company that I need to look at on camera before I order me a zsa one though I saw something but I want to jump in for a second go back to something that I didn't get to join in on and uh, well, we were given advice to You know new would be creators and people who might think they want to enter the space I've suffered for this and I'm working through it The worst thing you can do is a as a content creator Is just not create content because you think it's going to be bad Make that back hit the record button All of us will say it. I'm sure we all have videos like this Make that crappy video Put up the badly added video you will get better whether it's from your own criticism whether it's Right Or whatever you have been doing Yeah, and don't don't delete it six times put it up and let it sit there That's good. Yeah, people will make fun of you at first and it's cool. You know just that but that's engagement And engagement for those views Yeah I know I know we're having this great conversation and and all but I just took a look at the Voyager from zsa It's awesome I'm eventually gonna get it Oh, it's yeah, it's like you gotta have like you gotta have one Like I didn't even like the moon lander because I'm not used to the split keyboard couldn't get used to it But I still want one But here's the thing when you get used to the moon lander You can use all of them Like it's so easy to go between the moon lander the ergo docks I'm sure it's going to be the same for the Voyager because you know that they're all very very similar as far as the layouts The one that the primogen has that's the kinesis that has kind of like the the curved Thing. Yeah, I was thinking about that but it takes up a lot of room because it's not actually that pieces It's too big. Uh, the ergo docks Is also a little big too It's slightly bigger than the moon lander and the moon lander if you have the wrist out is really deep So if you got a small desk, you're probably not going to want to use the wrist wrist I'm not going to lie, man. I I visit zsa's webpage probably about two or three times a month and I have gotten to the point where I've almost Clicked the buy button Myself on it's on the Voyager and four hundred dollars But the Voyager if space is an issue the Voyager is neat because uh instead of the six Keys on the thumb cluster like the ergo docks or the four on the moon lander now They've reduced it to just two on the thumb cluster and as far as the rows on the each split They've reduced that now to just six So that's much smaller than the ergo docks in the moon landers for space So there's no uh, wrist wrist either. So there's one from someone who does the three Printing thing that and then sells it to other people that has a Trackball built in I want to try it The trackball like I really want to try it. I don't think it would get me away from the alicom huge But I still want to try it I it's also $600. I have never I have never used a trackball I don't understand what the fascination is with it Once you go there actually really behind It's really a lot better on your wrist switch switching really save my wrist a lot Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. I've got this trackball for like general use I've got this trackball here that I use most. I actually mostly use this trackball for like is that the game ball No, this is a kessington All right, because The only hardware that I've ever had someone send me as a company was someone called the game or ball It was supposed to be a trackball for gaming. It was just yeah, do you still have that by the way? Yeah, I have it around here somewhere Okay I kind of I kind of want to see if I can get that off of you because you know, uh, this thing is great and all But it's 2.4 gigahertz wireless, which I've got Uh, way too too much stuff broadcasting that on that frequency in my in my little house at this point Do you want a wired one? Yeah, yeah, let me find it. I'll chip it to you Okay, that works Have any of you guys tried the system 76 launch Yes Would you recommend it? Yeah Because I'd love an excuse to support them Hardware wise the big benefit of it is that for the price in the build quality It's actually really reasonable and it's also qmk so, uh Which basically means that you can reprogram every single key that you possibly want and it's better than via It it is better than via which uh, this keyboard here works through via and uh Sucks you regret your life choices every time you have to change a key. Yeah, that's that's me Yeah, yeah, yeah Big benefit of this keyboard those that's all is that was only 30 bucks and it's a keygrond And you're like, yeah, it's not that bad of a keyboard to be honest with you If you know, I confirm where to find my devoric keyboard compared to you know Having to do the software definition If you like keyboard from somewhere in Germany, it's nice and slim I can't get it up there to show it but anyhow, it's nice and slim and it's it's It's small and it's light and I think the problem is is it's too small for me with my big hands So I need to I need to get a little bit bigger of a keyboard And then maybe I could type just a smidge better But but I like it and it it plugged right up and it worked just fine Flawlessly and I was like happy for that because I always seem to have issues with my keyboard working There's a lot of people out there right now who are watching this like how could you pop? I mean These are people who went on amazon needed a keyboard Spent $10 and have been using it for the last 20 years and they're like You spent $600 on a keyboard Yes, what's wrong with you? I'll tell you one of the biggest benefits when we're all nerds we're uber nerds When when I bought the ergo docks, which was the first csa keyboard I bought all the those years ago the fact that the arrow keys were all in a straight line And I could arrange them in the vim motions You know just like because I've never realized that when you're moving around with vim motions obviously They're all four right next to each other But on a standard keyboard you got the little Three at the top one at the bottom or vice versa or whatever and you know it just for consistency sake It makes so much more sense the way I use arrow keys now Then the way I would use it on us like a generic 110 keyboard this mouse nothing special about it It's not a trackball first off, but it has no buttons and no It's a sensor mouse right that you tap with your fingers and stuff this this tier alone was like a hundred dollars That's also like having layers If you've never you never had a keyboard that had layers It's so nice to just be able to Obviously if somebody wanted a different keyboard layouts like if you switch from a standard qwerty keyboard to Dvorak or whatever it happened to be like if you were switching between the two and you were comfortable You could actually do that quite comfortably on one of these kinds of keyboards if you set it up that way Or different language keyboards in standard english us keyboard. Maybe you've got I don't know Some other language that you've or the keys are you know in a different order So it makes that easy too Yeah, but I mean a lot of people don't understand too that we wound up buying A ton of money even on just like mouse this mouse Is the mx master I spent a hundred bucks on this thing just because it's good for editing What the scroll wheel on the side is amazing I'll come huge has the tracks on the scroll wheel on the side The thing for me is is if logitech made an mx master trackball I would be done like I I I would I could never Go go back to it like this regular mouse movement The the problem is is the horizontal scroll on the side is beautiful and It's really hard to get over having those buttons and that Scroll wheel like right on the side like I could use a trackball that had those on the side There's just no one making that right now Hopefully they can solve What if I told you on my mx master first first one not even the second or the third The first one I have the horizontal scroll wheels, but I never ever got to use them and now they're sticky and they don't even spin We're eating Cheetos while you're using your mouse I remember I remember the old ball the old mouse the mice that had the ball on the bottom You had to clean that every other day because of all the lint and crap that used to get into it And you're in there blowing it and and then you realize how much gunk actually comes off your hand While you're cleaning your mouth that's with trackballs. That's which to the trackball. Yeah, just go doing that Yep And like like zany said once you use a trackball I cannot get myself used to get used to the the regular motion of a of a mouse So note to self alex got to buy a moon lander Uh or voyager because I've been looking at either those and I also got to buy a trackball and give it a try I'm telling you man. I'll come huge. It's the way to go. Sorry Okay, try those keyboards with no characters on them So if you want to cheap out on trackballs Uh logitech still makes like the the old that that same old uh I think they call like the m70 or something like that. Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah You get off of amazon for like 20 bucks And then you you can you can pick up that and you know It's 20 dollars now you you Yeah, I mean, it's not like money that you can find off the ground, but you know, it's not exactly expensive Uh, and then or you know, if you don't or if you don't like the thumb ball You can get this this mouse here this mouse is this kesington orbit is only like 30 bucks Really only 30. Yeah 30 bucks when it comes to trackballs the thing is is that there's two different kinds and There are two different people who like them. So if you like if if you're the finger tracker So you're using either the index the middle finger move around the finger ball Or you're the thumb tracker who has it on the side Usually you're not both so you're gonna like either one or the other So I I found that I like the finger tracking better Some people like the thumb better. So you're gonna Yeah Also, they have a break in period Like if you do you're just switching you you almost certainly have to use it for a week or two To get really accurate because it does get more accurate over time as it picks up oil and stuff off your finger And actually move around better. Oh, I suck so bad at zero ad the first two weeks or so after switching to a trackball Because it it you know just trying to quickly move characters around Oh, oh it was so hard so difficult like I had to really think about what I was doing and now at second nature Yep Yeah, like uh I I can't play zero ad with this mouse. I tried I just can't oh, I play everything with my kensington Expert even first person shooters and I'm not horrible at it surprisingly Yeah, you would think it's just a horrible gaming mouse. I I do I'm right there with the I play city skylines and several other other ones with trackball. I never put put a regular mouse on Really same same Well, I'm gonna have to try it man. You guys would convince me. I wanted to try it Okay, I did not know that the mx Was a thing I thought there was like a mouse that was like that's that's what this is. This is the mx ergo That's the mx. Wait, hold it up again. Josh That's the mx ergo. I was he must have showed it off while I was too busy being It's on the side and you can Yeah, it also has a tilt stand Yeah, yeah, it's just done with a magnet Yeah, it's on there with a magnet. It's really good. Oh, nice Now if you don't want to go if you want to ergo mouse that isn't a trackball Logitech makes one that is like straight up and down that you move around. Yeah Um, I've never tried it. It's it feels like it would hurt my wrist But no, but it just doesn't see natural as as josh can attest this position of this mouse It's no economic. I never suffered Super comfortable I have one around here somewhere. I just don't care for the thumb tracking. I'm on more It's a hundred bucks to this day. It didn't depreciate Well, yeah, that's a hundred dollars. I'm not gonna have any four years four years ago five years ago I'm just over here chilling with my uh My ten dollar booga mouse from five below You're gonna say the free mouse the game with the computer. Yeah, mine's gonna be a ps2 No, even my cheap mouse has to have the uh rgbs Oh, uh, this one is the rgb Oh, there it is. Yeah, that's a logitech. That's another logitech Yeah, so I bought this. Okay. This is for first person shooters when it was first came out It was is the razor death editor lead to or v2 or whatever This day was a hundred twenty nine dollars. Yeah Jesus it is like very simple. Oh come on mice are almost exactly like keyboards alex keyboard You want to spend? You can do it. Um, yeah Because because switches switches are a thing like if I mean if you're like a professional Game or whatever you really do pay attention to what switches it has the actuation the sound With the weight of the mouse. I mean right now the I mean the the weirdest ones and I could never get used to it Is those are those mouse those mice that have The holes in it like they really really light and they're like you can see through Like I don't get it. But it's air light. They're air light. Yeah, they they swear by them because you can move them around so fast Really Aerodynamic Yeah, well, well, it's not about aerodynamic It's because like the frame and there's like no filler in the mouse So like it's extremely light and a lot of them have like built in just like that. Yeah has holes in it No, there's like they're extremely now where there's all holes. But that doesn't make sense The holes are covered the holes are covered by your hand. Oh, they're on the side too It reduces the weight production. It's all that weight reduces the weight Now but if you keep your balls clean I mean just the slightest movement moves them so So you get the same effect. Well, you know what be monetized I mean check the stream as it's still up speaking of Useless mouse features I was heavy into case modding back in the early aughts And like before I discovered linux really I was into case modding And there were people that would drill holes in their mice like these weight reduction ones But they would wire in a five volt little teeny tiny fan To pull their sweaty hand With with mice that had fans in them and alex That's kind of the useless like if you're going to block the airflow with your hand It's only going to be you know so efficient Oh, yeah, it's for when you do this method The claw The disturbing thing is I've I've recently figured out that there's a lot Of people that claw their mouse Like a lot Yeah, and I'm like it's designed for your hand to just cup it Yeah, when they're wide like that. Yeah, if you're a competitive gaming If you're a competitive gaming, I promise you the claw method works because you're literally spinning it fast You can click a lot faster. I know I know but like at that point like aren't you being a little insane and neurotic about how you're Hey Competitive I get it, but like if you're just playing like hey when there's money on the line and again You'll do whatever you take I understand if you're like a pro player like going to tournaments But like if you're just if you want to play with your friends in like war zone or something like you're not Competing like at that point like you're going to be doing this for a while. You're supposed to be not competing when we play I was gonna say you're playing a game. You're competing dude. You crushed a noob the other day just to win A complete noob. Thank you Thank you Supposed to be Like let me ask you boys. You don't get to be absolved sitting there quietly The way this conversation is going I just want to make sure and like clarify this Is or isn't going to end with us playing zero ad it might but I've got to grab lunch first, but you know I may or may not be able to join. I've got some out of town guests It has to happen after this like seriously. Oh, yeah, you guys have a meeting Uh, you'll have to attend there is a linux cast very soon Oh, do we need to end the stream matt? Let me know if we Yeah, we probably do because it's been three hours and 15 minutes and these guys still got what how long do you guys record? See, but even he lost hey, we're having so much but even he lost track of time Yeah time I had to I've been checking my watch ever like I come on man. I got I got to create the graphics. I got to create the stream And it is a Saturday. Come on now. You should have said something bra. Ah, that's having fun Yeah, we're having fun. This is great a bunch of nerves sitting around talking about track balls keyboards and linux Seriously, yeah, we're all in we're all in dude. That's all you got to drop for We need to do this again, but it likes excuse of christmas. We just need to do it once a month Yeah, who's down for another holiday special like this next year. Oh, definitely. Oh, yeah Assuming everybody's still around now I'm talking about if things have been prison the death Hey If I'm in prison, I'm using collie linux. I'm just gonna go there Now we're gonna see what happens after he runs a fellow the zsa cartel. I got it. I got to say man We'll go ahead and wrap up because I want my brother matt to get on his thing man But this is my linux family and I really Enjoy spending this time with you guys, man I'm humbled that you guys accepted the invite to come do this man And I'm just grateful that you guys are willing to do it again next year And we can maybe get it better and that kind of stuff and there's some other plans that we're talking about Down the road. Oh, yeah Coming down the road that might involve some of you guys because I'm a visionary and I and that's one of the things I do tyler can tell you about that We got some pretty stoked plans for doing like, you know contents for like maybe a meet and greet and live For fans to come and see us. We know get someplace, you know, kind of can join somewhere, you know That's centrally located and uh do something like that, you know and get the get the boys together again and do this So, I mean, there's a lot of nuggies for this down the road. Yeah, we've got to bring that some nuggies You guys are a bunch of assholes But I mean there's there's some other plans down the road man That thinks going to benefit all of us in great ways and I think it'll just be awesome And I just wanted to say, you know, once again Merry Christmas to you guys. Thanks for being here. It made my Christmas This was my Christmas gift. Thank you so much guys And I will take this opportunity to announce one thing If all goes well I might be having a trip down the us of it Oh, oh, that'd be cool That's cool nowhere yet. But if it's close to any of you guys, we'll we'll hook up just knock on the door Knock on my door. I'm home I believe the state of Ohio is actually bigger than 11 on Delaware and Rhode Island are pretty small. Okay, we'll go give our last minute thing. I already did mine Josh, you got a last minute thing? Uh No, bye everybody Derek East guys Steve you already get yours Jesse No, we're we're in it together. We're that's a wrap. Happy holidays, folks. What's up, Nate So I just got one question for DT. I need help secured my password. Um, anyways, happy holidays. Hope you guys enjoy Oh Matt my brother go ahead, uh shop that the linx cast at orc. I'm the new Linus I mean I have my support page earlier, so I guess he could he could plug his merch store. There you go I don't have a store yet, but it's coming I still have like the desk mat just sitting here. I haven't put it on the desk yet Look at that thing. Is it gorgeous? Oh, hold it up. Hold it up. That is sleek Yeah, that's pretty cool. The only thing that it needs was a kind of scheme Hold on. Hold on. All it needs is it needs the perfect logo underneath it, which is keep on linux it No, it needs this is not a gentoo mouse pad All right, Tyler you're next there's a gentoo Oh Yeah, there is it's literally right under the the right foot. It's partially cut off I'm gonna have to grab one of those Nice. I'm a good grab one. That's on your fourth wall Yeah cool Thanks again guys Yeah, I guess that's it for the show then. Um, make sure you go by all of matt's merch By everything you can go and support all of us at our at our patreon's and you know our Various methods that you can find us at the links are in everybody's description down below You guys keep doing what you do you guys keep on linux in and y'all stay blessed to have a safe day and Peace we're out See you guys Steve's stick around for a second