 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump. Mind the Pumper. For the first 20 minutes, Justin, Adam, and I, I had to correct that, by the way. Oh, God, don't get me started with that shit. Me, Adam, and Justin, improper English. Justin, Adam, and myself, have some fun conversation in the intro. We talk about our LA interview marathon. Nobody can podcast harder than Mind Pump. We podcast hard. Then we talk about my son's robotic competition. I actually was building some relationships with some of the kids, trying to hedge my bets, because I know we're gonna have some future. Case my son's gonna be the next Steve Jobs. Exactly. I'm trying to figure that out there. Recruit that kid. We talk about my new deodorant. It's Royal and Rogue scented pit paste that I found on Thrive Market. Thrive Market. Smell like an off-putting king. It has some of the best prices you'll find on organic non-GMO products, both foods and cosmetic products. You'll actually get a massive discount, by the way. All you gotta do is go to thrivemarket.com, forward slash Mind Pump. You'll get one month for free of the membership. You'll get $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more, and you'll get a free shipping. We also mentioned Organifi, which is our other sponsor. Actually, Justin was eating all the cookies. Finally brought them. Hell yeah. I get hungry. Yeah, lots of good macros there. How, Justin? Yeah. You're in the bulk again? I can't, always. OrganifiShop.com, enter the code Mind Pump, and you'll get, I think, 20% off. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, do we recommend that people compete if they've already had hormonal issues? So let's say somebody's had thyroid issues or has had issues with irregular men's if they're a woman. Should they compete in competitions like bikini or figure or bodybuilding? Find out in this episode. The next question was, how do we think the holidays affect our mental and physical health, and what do we recommend for people so that they can stay in a routine during the holidays? Find out why I don't give a shit. Find out why Adam wants people to buy him toilet paper. Bah humbug. Not joking. The next question was, have our recent CrossFit guests change to our minds? Or is Justin still bitter? About CrossFit. Nyeh. He's so bitter. CrossFit. And finally, we share some of our most embarrassing sex stories. This is where it gets weird. There are, there's some horrible ones in there. Also, by the way, stay tuned to the end of this episode. We're introducing a new segment once a week. At the end of the episode, you are gonna get a knowledge bomb. It's like a three or five minute knowledge bomb. You won't wanna miss it. So stay tuned until the very end. 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How many reviews, Doug? 20 reviews. Let's rip this out. Give it away six shirts. Six shirts. So first up is M Madden 35, Sluggermeister. Grr. Sluggermeister. Zendoggy. Nancy D. Siouxfall Kids. All of you are winners. Send the name I just read to itunesatmindpumpmedia.com. Your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you guys. Did it. Dude. Dude. I am extremely proud of us. Were you guys exhausted or what? No. Yeah. You got up at eight o'clock earlier on Sunday. Got up at eight o'clock. No, dude, I had to get up at, so just so we have a little context for the audience, we went to LA and did 10 podcasts in three days with a bunch of different guests. We, I think we invented the hashtag podcast hard. Yeah. I don't know if it's, I don't know. I will own that. It didn't exist. We podcasted to failure. I definitely did. Yeah. We did, we did phase one to failure podcasting. We had that moment when we were talking to JJ who was the very last podcaster that we were with and we were talking about, we were just all talking about the importance of balance and health and this and that and all I'm thinking to myself is like, dude, I'm so fried right now. I am over, overworked. Yeah, so fried. Dude, what a great lineup. We had, let's start from the beginning. We met with Lewis House, great dude. Louis. Great dude. You know, sometimes you meet people who are successful and it's a let down because they're idiots. This was not the case with Lewis House. He's a hugger. He, first of all, he's a hugger. That's true. He rubbed my shoulder. It felt great. He's a long hugger. Like you can't, if you- He did embrace, it's not a hug, it's an embrace. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like genuinely friendly. Did you guys get a chest circle? I got a chest circle. No, I got a shoulder circle. I got a crotch crap. I don't know why. That's different, that's different. But super smart guy, very just genuine, nice dude. Great podcast which already dropped. So I'm sure people have already listened to that. Then where do we go straight from there? We went from there to, was it Bradley Martin? Yeah, Bradley was next. We met with Bradley Martin, who, if you're not familiar with who he is. I don't even wanna, that one was- No, no, no, we're not gonna- This is gonna be so epic. I don't even wanna share much about this one. Dude, you're- No giveaways. When that episode drops and people listen to it, they're gonna be like, what? Yeah. Holy shit! Let's just say- We're coming in hot. Let's just say a few minds were blown and things were shattered in terms of perceptions and whatnot, so wait for that one. And then who was the third person that- Robert Oberst. Robert Oberst, he's- World's Strongest Man Competitor. Hilarious. Yeah, it was fun talking to him. He's just a huge human being. He was one of my favorite too, because I probably did the least amount of homework on him coming into this. And so- He's a natural. Yeah, oh, absolutely. After we hung up the mics, we all talked to him about doing his own show. I'm like, man, you've just, you've got great, great charisma. He's funny. Great stories. Great stories, yeah. And he's a fucking badass. I just forget that humans come in that size. I always forget every time I see someone like that. He's not with John Jones. Dude, he picked up Adam, like Adam was a child. Yeah, that was so funny. He literally puts you in his arms like a baby. We're taking a photo before we leave and Doug says, hey, let's do something fun. And right away, he just like scoops up underneath my butt and just poops. He looks like a little kid. Like a little kid. Adam's eye, he looked up. Did you see what Adam did? He looked up at him and he's like with the big eye. Instantly, my thumb just went in my mouth. Stars. And then the next day, then the next day, we start off the next day with Brendan Chopp. Yeah. Fun. We're wanting to do that one forever. Brendan Chopp is, so he's one of the hosts of Fighter and the Kid podcast, one of our favorite podcasts we've been talking about since we started my regular. They're hilarious. Very smart guy, very funny guy, great storyteller. So we had a good time there. And then who came after him? It was Brendan Chopp. Then drama. Oh yeah. Drama. How do you say his last name, Faf? Pfeff? Yeah. How do you Pfeff? I actually know it was Rich Roll before Chris. Oh, it was Rich Roll. So that's right, Brendan, Rich Roll. And then it was Chris Pfeff. How about Rich's house, man? Dude. He has his own little compound. It's an awesome place. It's a trip. You know what, it's like, what tripped me out, I was trying to explain to Katrina, I'm all, typically I would like it, but it's like a super. It's my kind. It's like modern kind of. It's modern meets hippie. Yeah. It's modern meets hippie. That's what's kind of weird about it. I hate that word chic. What are you saying? You can see me living in a place like that. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, I could see that for sure. I mean, he had converted, this is kind of cool. He converted these, what are those called? I know, I can't. No, they're not portables, they're shipping containers. Yeah, shipping containers. He had converted two shipping containers. One of them is this kid's bedroom, right? So one of his kid's bedroom is a shipping container and then his shoe box. Then he has an office that's a shipping container. So, and then he's got this like multi-million dollar home on the top of the Hollywood Hills that's just overlooking the area. I mean, it's absolutely amazing. Gorgeous, gorgeous. He was really cool. He was cool. And then, of course, drama was awesome. Another person that completely- He surprised us, I think. Well, he surprised me because I didn't know enough, I didn't know a lot about him now. I knew him from Robin Big. And he's an extremely intelligent dude, very, very smart guy, very smart in business. Again, another very charismatic person. He has his own podcast. And that was the second day. Then the third day, we got interviewed by Liz from the podcast at Univision. Always, we love you, Liz. Great, great. And then we had Christina from actually adultish podcast. She is such a little badass. A little spitfire. Dude, she, here's the thing about- First guess, or actually first person ever to interview Mind Pump and be able to wrangle us and talk over us, dude. We're impossible to do that. Talk shit to us. Yeah, it was great. That's the tough thing about interviewing us is as soon as we go, you gotta just give up the podcast. Here you go. No, she wrangled us a bunch of times. She's a little hustler. She's awesome. And then we had JJ. 22 years old. I really, really enjoy talking to her just because we talk a lot. And I know sometimes if there's anything that I think we have a bad habit of is speaking to ourselves. Meaning like what we would want to hear. The 35 to 38 year old versions of us. Bodybuilder directed from the start. Whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just stuff that we're currently dealing with interest or what we see in the industry because of what we're looking at. Where coming from a 22 year old's perspective who pretty much was born and raised with Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and all this stuff like that. And to hear what it's like and food blogging. And so to hear her perspective in the same industry was very unique. And how cool is that? She talks about, she interviewed a seven year old girl she had on her show. Yeah. I'm gonna look for that interview. That was very interesting for her to do that. And I thought that was pretty neat that she shared that. I thought that was really cool. Super smart girl. If you guys had to pick, and I know this is not fair. Don't be an asshole. If you had to pick two. You had to pick your two personal favorites. Who and why? Favorites? Yeah. Not the favorite people. Favorite interview, like what? Well, I know the audience is gonna be most blown away by Bradley Martins. I can pretty much guarantee that by his interview. And I don't want to go too much into it. I don't want to ruin it, but it was, it was shockingly different than what I anticipated. So I know the audience, if when they're listening they're not gonna. Yeah, but I don't want to hear what you think that what's gonna do go the wrong way. What was your personal two favorite and why? I like Brandon Shaw was definitely one of my favorites. Just because I have followed him for a long time, I've heard multiple shows of them. And just to have that sort of rapport and the podcast itself was great. He told great stories. I thought we were really on fire on that episode. I think that's gonna be a great one. And on top of that, like you guys mentioned the, what's her podcast again? The addicted to love. Addicted to love. Honestly, her podcast is actually adultish. Actually, dude, I really enjoyed it. I just felt like we were ourselves. And I haven't felt like that as we were being interviewed by anybody before. So I gotta give her some love for that. Yeah, I'm not gonna, I think I'll say that. I'll say her too. And then the other one's a tough one. I still gonna say Bradley Martin because it shocked me. He opened up quite a bit. His crew is really cool, great gym. We had a lot of fun. Could have gone forever on that podcast. We had another person scheduled, so we had to leave. But I think we record like a two hour podcast with him. That could have easily been a three or four hour. Especially once the weeds start going around. Once that started going around, it was no slowing us down for sure. I would, I'm gonna, for sure Bradley Martin, just because I've followed him since the very beginning and you guys will dig it too about something that him and I kind of got into midway through the podcast that that was pretty funny. Oh yeah, that was classic. Right, so that one for sure is one of my favorites. And I just think he's, I think he's a cool dude. And I think that there's a lot more to him. And I just see kind of where he's at right now. I thought that was neat. And I love that, you know, and this always happens to us. You know, if you don't know or you don't listen to Mind Pump. So I, when we go to interview some of these people, it's, you know, a lot of these guys, especially at this level are so fucking busy. They're not listening to every Mind Pump episode. They don't know everything that we're sharing or we're talking about. They don't know a lot about us. Most people do a little bit of homework and then it's like, okay. Here we go. Here we go, right? And you can always feel the energy in the room when someone doesn't really know us and you can just tell what they're assuming. You know, whatever they're assuming, whether they think you're a bunch of bros or you know, we're assholes or whatever. I don't even know, I don't even know what's going through their head. I just know it's not a comfortable feeling for everybody and it's the funniest thing ever because there's this moment of awkwardness before we start. You know, not really making eye contact, not really talking very much. Just like, okay, we're gonna do this. Where is this going? And then the mics come on and then you can watch the energy shift and change. Bradley to me was one of the biggest that I saw that shift with. And then the second one, and that's why I'm picking this as my second one, was drama. Drama, yeah. Cause drama, I felt, and Breanna even told me that when she booked it, that he was really hesitant to do the show with us because he's like, I don't really know anything about fitness. Oh, he thought so, he thought so. He was so concerned that we were gonna take him in a fitness direction and talk nothing but working out and macros and that. He was like, and she kept saying that, no, no, no, you just wait till you meet the boys. Just wait till you meet the boys. You know, you're gonna like him, you're gonna like him. And so when we got to his office, he was still on a conference call but really what it felt like was just like, I just don't wanna do this interview. And we're just kind of sitting there, Doug's setting up and we're like waiting for him to come into the podcast. So I was like, ah, okay, here we go. Yeah, and then I felt like that when he first came in and then about, I don't know, 15 minutes or 20 minutes in the interview, you could tell the energy completely shift and then, you know, a couple of him, Bradley, you know, it's always awesome. We were on a crazy tight schedule. It happens to so many people. Yeah, we were on a tight schedule. Got to love the 180. Yeah, when you see them flip like that and to the point where they're like looking at you like, oh, we can keep going and like following us out to leave. And we're like, oh, we gotta go to the next interview. So sorry, like we gotta do this game. That was awesome. Yeah. It was super awesome. So we did all that. We get home. We arrived like at what nine, you know, go to bed late because I'm still buzzing. Next morning I wake up six a.m. because it's my son's robotics tournament. So they have this big robotics tournament that they do every year. Yeah. Fifth place, unfortunately. So they didn't qualify for regionals this time. But they did. Those are some sophisticated robots. Dude, so here. So here's the thing, like I'm sitting there and I'm really, I'm watching all these kids who are designing these robots to perform these tasks. I mean, here's what it is. Keep in mind, this is from fifth, this is from kids who are in fifth and sixth grade all the way up to 14 year old kids in different varying degrees of skill and difficulty or whatever. These kids are given tasks. There's like, I don't know how many tasks and you can try doing all of them or you can try only doing some of them. And the tasks range from pick this block up over here and put it over there to put these two pieces together to hit the switch or whatever. And it has to be all autonomous. You have, and they don't give you any other instructions other than that. So you have to build a robot from scratch. You have to design what it's gonna look like, how it's gonna move. Then you have to program it and you gotta look at these programs, these kids, right? It looks like, I don't know how the fuck they know what they're doing. I'm looking at these programs like, this is crazy. You push a button and the robot does what it does and you can look at the different robots from the different teams. None of them look the same at all. They all look different. They all have different attachments, different arms. So crazy. And then there was the high school robotics team, which obviously isn't competing in this one because they're too old, but the high school robotics team then had displays of what their robots look like. And one of the robots that was built by this high school was a T-shirt cannon. So they built a T-shirt cannon that now they bring to the football games and it's kind of like a mascot and they drive around the field and they blast. That's badass. And it's like, it's got the fucking, it's got the compressed oxygen or whatever or whatever that is, CO2 and it rides around and it aims and freaking blasts in people. Dude, these kids are crazy. I love the whole environment. But anyway, I was there from 8 a.m. to 7 or 8 p.m. Oh my God. Yeah, dude, it was pretty, but it was exciting. That long, huh? Is it like multiple rounds? How does it work? So there were 40, like how do they compete? How do you get fifth place? Like what are the, what are the, what's the criteria? So there were 40 teams that competed. Oh wow. So fifth out of 40 is not a big deal. You said fifth like it was like, oh man. Well, because he didn't qualify for regionals, but there was 40 teams. You get points for all these different tasks and you get some points if you do some, a little bit of them, you get full points if you do all of them, then there's bonus points. And then you get penalties if you have to touch a robot while it's still in play. So let's say it trips over something, turns over, or it gets like readjusted. Or your program didn't fucking work right and you gotta grab it and place it back to the starting point. You get a five point deduction. You get, you know, you can get deductions for a few different things. So at the end of it, you get your total score and then based on that score, it determines where you rank in this particular competition. But then you also get judged on robot design. Then they also have to do presentations where there's a theme for the competition. For this competition, the theme was water. Like water conservation. So the kids also have to come up with their own designs and ingenious ways of, you know, how to save water. So like my son's team came up with a way of using gray water. Gray water is the water that comes from your shower and when you wash your hands and stuff. And they came up with a way for it to be circled around so that you could use it in your toilets so that you don't have to use the same, you know, you're not wasting a bunch of extra water. And so kids come up with different ways of, you know, conserving water and they have to present that. Then they have to present like court, what's called core values and all these different things. And again, dude, I'll tell you what, I'm so proud right now, my kid. First of all, I'm proud because leading up to this, the practices are going till seven or eight o'clock at night. So not only do you go to school Thursday, Friday and they practice two or three days a week until five PM anyway, but leading up to the tournament, they're doing like a lot of work. So my kid is in school and then he finished his school and then he's working on robotic stuff until eight PM. And then he has to go home and do his homework. So he did this like two or three nights in a row. Then he did the whole tournament. Poor kid was so tired this morning, looked like a zombie. You know, I was like basically feeding him his breakfast because he was so tired. But he had another leadership moment that I was so proud of. They do a practice round in the beginning where the first round doesn't count and every team gets to do this practice round. And one of the obstacles was reversed. One of the Lego obstacles was backwards when in comparison to how they've been practicing at school. So obviously the robot couldn't perform the task and they did horribly. And so the kids are kind of crapped out and they're going back and my son's like that, I don't remember which one it was, the water obstacle, whatever he goes, that was backwards. He goes, it was backwards, it wasn't right. So he goes back, starts talking with his team and I'm just observing. I'm like, at first I'm like, what? I'm like, you say it, but I didn't say anything. I said, I'm not gonna say anything, see what happens. So he talks with his team and then him and one of the other kids goes up to the judges which is intimidating. These are all like big judges, go whatever, walk over and they come up with their laptop and I can see my son and this kid talking to the judge and I can see the judge kind of arguing with them and they're going back and forth and then the judge goes and looks at the table and this and that. Remember, these are the four tables that are set up, roped off. Like you can't go near him or whatever. He goes over, looks at him and he shakes his head and then he goes over and he flips the thing over and I go talk to my son like, what happened? He goes, yeah, they messed up, they had it on backwards. Like, fuck yeah, dude, you went over there and got them straightened them out, you know what I mean? And got it all fixed, but you had the, you know. How many kids are on a team? Depends on the team. Some have as little as three or four. Some as many as like seven or eight to being on the school. There were all girls teams. A lot of the teams were co-ed. My son's team is just boys because they have a girls team at the same school. So just super awesome, dude. Really, really cool stuff. And it's cool to see these kids because you know that you learn so many skills from life skills from any sport or competition, right? That you're in. I mean, anybody who's played sports, you guys talk about this all the time, the life skills that you've learned. But the thing about the robotics I really like is I'm looking at this and I'm like, holy shit, these are like work skills too. Yeah, it's applicable. Yeah, it's like super applicable. In fact, Google and Tesla and Apple. They're already there scouting. No, not only that, they have their own, like some of these top level tournaments for robotics happen at Google. Of course. You know those motherfuckers are scouting these kids. Of course. Yeah. How funny is that, dude? That's great, dude. Of course you are. Already scouting. That's great. Damn, that is crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. Anyway, so you guys are gonna ask me why I smell so good. I kept rubbing my armpits in your face. Yeah, what is this? You guys are getting pissed off. You know what, I wanted to get it. I give you a lot of crap all the time about not smelling really good and you actually do smell really good. What are you working on over there? You guys are trying to figure out why I kept rubbing my face. I actually thought it was Doug at first and then I realized, oh, that's Sal who's got the good, what you got? The scent is. The aroma. The scent is royal and rogue. That's the name of the scent. What? What? That's the name of the, so. Royal. What is it? Is it lotion or is it? No, no, no, no. So I use, I use a natural deodorant called pit paste. Which normally sucks. I'm telling you this. No, it doesn't. Stop. There's only one time, bro, you smelled me and I need to fucking talk about this forever. You smell great though now, dude. Yeah, right. So anyway, it's pit paste is the name of it. It's all organic. It's made with shea butter. Oh, that's what you're wearing right now. Yeah, baking soda. What were you wearing before? There was something you were wearing before. There was one day it was the time, it was when we were doing the presentation. Orange theory. Orange theory where I didn't wear any deodorant and I was nervous. Uh-oh. And then I had to run across the street and I did something really bad, actually put deodorant on and then didn't buy the deodorant. Yeah. That was nasty. I was there. I witnessed that. I went to the store and put it on. And then I don't know why I did that. I got a thrill out of it. Somebody had a bad day. Yeah. But anyway, so pit paste, pit paste I bought off on our sponsor Thrive Market for $7, normally 10 or $11. So there you go. If you want natural deodorant. Okay, it's all natural. It's completely natural. There's no aluminum in it, which is not good. Aluminum in your deodorant, not a good thing. Definitely don't buy antiperspirants. And then most of them, you know, what you put on your body is what goes in your body. It's really not that different from when you eat something. I mean, it is different, but it's not. Adds up. I mean, that's one of those things you start thinking about and I've started to do that too. And like shampoos and soaps and deodorants, all these things, it's like all these chemicals you're just bombarding yourself with constantly. It's the chronic, you know, constant bombarding of it. That's the issue. What happens when I talk about this with people, then I get the whole like, oh, everything's bad for me, blue. I know. The sky is falling. The reality is the stuff you put in your mouth as shitty as it can be is far more regulated than the stuff you put on your body. Way more, way more regulated than the stuff you could put on your body or spraying your hair. Which makes sense because it's more dangerous, right? I mean, obviously if you're swallowing something, it's a little more dangerous than probably putting it on your skin. Well, dude, like feminine, feminine hygiene products that we've talked about this before, like tampons and stuff. They are made out of cotton. The cotton that's in a tampon is regulated very different. It's regulated as a textile, I believe. But it's literally inside your body and it's like full of chlorine, full of pesticides and other things. And women are putting it in their, you know, their vage or whatever and it's absorbing. Or whatever. I don't know. I was gonna say scooter, but I was like trying to keep it classy. We could save a vagina. We're still 13. I can't say vagina. I don't know why. I gotta say a stupid word. It's so clinical. Yeah, it's like ew, yeah. I wanna make it sound pretty. Yeah, anyway, yeah. Bring on the bird, Douglas. This Quas brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try Organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. All right, our first question is from NaughtyGagnon14. Would you recommend competing for a person who has had hormonal issues in the past such as thyroid issues and amenorrhea, et cetera? Oh, definitely not. Totally not. Yeah, totally not. Especially not. It's one of the worst things you could do for your hormones if you're healthy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you would have, this has, okay, so even like when we talked to Robert Otis the other day, right? When he was sharing like, you know, the way he was eating and training is like, you know, if you have this, like you know you're fucking your body up and you just don't care it, then you want to sacrifice it for the sport because you love the sport so much, then who am I to judge you, right? So that's kind of how I answer somebody who asked me a question like this. Like, I mean, if you grew up your whole life like aspiring to be a bodybuilder or want to get into competing because it's like you're all into that. Like I could totally understand that and you just know that that is not the ideal thing that you should be doing hormonally to your body and if you already have past issues, yeah, no, this is probably going to exaggerate them but who am I to tell you you can't do that? So. They're just asking a recommender. Right, yeah. But it said, no, brainer. Like no, if you were calling me up and thinking about hiring me, I'd be like, yeah, you shouldn't do this. Yeah, probably not a good fit for you. It just seems like common sense, but I think people still think that's like a healthy representation still. And so then, well, I've had issues but maybe I should still go through that process. This will get me fit. Yeah, that'll get me fit. No, so I also want to say the statement here, men and women are very different in this regard. They're very different. The male body is far, far more resilient to calorie restriction and extreme exercise than the female body is in the sense that the female body, when you're looking at things like, quote unquote, metabolic damage, hormonal dysfunction, all that stuff, it really affects women. I know more women that have been fucked up their metabolism from competing than I know men. It's just, here's the thing. Like more than double. Here's what you want to understand. Let's say you're a female and you want to get lean and shredded for a bikini or figure competition and you do everything right. And what I mean by right is, you're hiring the right coach, you're doing the right amount of exercise, you're eating the right amount of food but you're still getting your body fat down to single digit body fat percentage. Still not good for you. Regardless of how you do it, now of course you can do it a lot worse by doing things the wrong way and really fucking shit up. But even if you do it right, the female body responds to being extremely lean in a very negative way because the female body evolved to bear a child or to produce life or whatever, whereas a male body just needs to produce sperm. Two completely different requirements on the body and if you get too lean, even if you do it right or whatever, I mean, amenorrhea is when you get menstrual irregularities. So period stops or- Which is extremely common in women's bikinis. Oh dude, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen, yeah. It's almost guaranteed. Most women will tell you that when you do it, like, oh yeah, you're gonna lose your period. That's right. One of the measures of hormonal health for a woman, one of, because there's many of them, but one of the things that you can look at to see if your hormones are imbalanced for your body is your menses, how heavy your period is, how long it lasts, how severe your PMS symptoms may be, whether you're regular or every month it's a different, it looks like sometimes your cycle's 45 days and sometimes it's 15 days or whatever. Those are really good signs that your hormones aren't necessarily balanced for your body and it's one of the first things to get fucked up when you're competing for a show. So definitely don't recommend this for anybody who's had hormonal issues and if you're healthy, expect hormonal issues. Expect hormonal issues from competing. Now if this doesn't mean that you can't compete, get changes in your hormones and then kind of rebuild and fix them, because you can, but everybody, anybody, okay, I'll dare anybody to do this if you're natural. Test your hormones when you're normal working out, normal dieting, relatively lean but not shredded, just healthy, and then test your hormones right before your competition and I guarantee they're gonna be very different. No matter what, they're very, very different. That would have been a fun thing for me to do. I wish I would have done that. And men experience this as well, it's just we tend to bounce back a little better, but even for a man, doing this too often, you'll get issues with testosterone and cortisol as well. I'm working- You're redlining this whole time. I mean, it's an extreme. You gotta keep that in perspective. Well, that being said, okay, so and we're talking about this person right here with all these issues, but a healthy, normal person, okay. When I competed, you know, part of what kind of helped my social media grow was sharing this process, right? My transformation process. And I would share with people too you don't have to make yourself into a martyr to get to that lean either. So that's what's partially wrong with competing is the culture. The culture has turned into this thing where you have to like abuse your body to get to that point. And it's, you know, beast mode, no days off and it's the two days of cardio and the super low calorie. Like, you know, you can actually restricting water and sodium and there's a lot of things that are that's like misrepresented and there's definitely a better way to do this. And I remember it was not until probably the last 10 days did I start talking? And I remember sharing this on YouTube and saying like, listen, this is at this point, here's where the real sport of it comes in. Up into this point, it's just making- But that's not, yeah, like you did that that way, which is great because you've been able to highlight that we can sort of limit this down to more like a 10 or day or like a two week sort of like super intensity, like leading up to it. Whereas everybody else kind of going into this, yeah, it's the whole 12 weeks. Yeah, I look at the same way of training for like a professional, any other professional sport, right? Like if you're hammering- You want to peek it. Yeah, exactly. You want to peek at the, at game time and that's when you are, so I think that that's, there's a lot of people, a lot of coaches giving really bad information. So that's the scary part and why I think right away everyone's quick to be like, no, don't do this. But you know, I mean, I got all the way down to, 3% and 3% is not a healthy place to stay and I didn't stay there very long. I mean, within a week, I was already back up 4% or 5% body fat real quick. So you can't, well, you actually can't say you can't. Not a lot of people can sustain single digit or low single digit body fat for a long period of time. And it's- Especially not women, especially not women. Now let me ask you this, Adam, because you have a lot of experience with this. Let's say, and this is going to be a general question. So I know you're gonna, I know it depends, but let's say you have healthy, a person doing everything right, dieting right, exercising right and competing, how many shows do you think they should limit themselves to per year? That's a really good question. You know why that's such a good question is because just now, like I think just a couple months ago, the IFBB and MPC or IFBB, excuse me, changed their rules and point system for how somebody can get on Olympia stage. So this is actually what you just said is a topic I've been wanting to address because everybody thinks, oh, this is more fair. Really what it's about, it's about the IFBB wanting to get more competitors doing more shows and require, because the way it used to be is this, right? So if you don't know how this works, if you're a pro like Aria, you win. So let's say this is the new season comes up right now, right? So we're heading into the new season. Let's say Aria goes out and he wins first place in a show, he would automatically be in Olympia for next year, just because he took first place right away, right? Where now they're saying, it doesn't matter if you win a show, it's the total amount of points throughout the year. So basically is telling all these competitors that they're gonna have to compete at least, probably five shows a year. What the, that's not good. No, it's not at all, which is, it's really backwards thinking, because, and it used to be like Mr. Olympia, so Jeremy Boudia automatically qualifies for next year, so he doesn't do any shows if he doesn't want to. If you're a winner, you're automatically in the next year, you don't gotta do a single show until Olympia. Next year you gotta defend your title, that's all you gotta prove, which I think is how it should be, right? Like, so these guys that have qualified like Aria have to go this season and they're gonna have to do multiple show after show after show. That is taxing. It's very, very taxing on the body. And you see competitors when they do this, their body starts to lose, you know, it looks different, they lose sharpness, all of a sudden it's not responding the way it is. So what would you say? How many shows do you think are healthy? And you're right, that's the depends part, right? Cause you're gonna have a genetic anomaly too, like someone like Aria, like Aria literally is doing a show probably every two months and he keeps himself pre- He maintains it. Yeah, he maintains really well, he looks healthy, you know, and he never lets himself get, he's always got abs, the guys- So he doesn't have to like extreme diet? Yeah, he doesn't think extreme cut, it's just like he tightens some things up. So I did four shows in a year, that was the most I did in one year. And that felt like, it felt like a ton. But it did make things a little bit easier to keep myself in good shape and not let myself rebound and go the other way. So there's- Otherwise you know another one's coming right behind it. Right, right, exactly. So I would literally like, as soon as I get done with the show, I'd probably have a few days, maybe a week where I could let myself kind of eat whatever, lay off the training a little bit, but then I was right into prep again. And so, you know, I think there's some of that that, I think some of that stress, and this is something that comes from like Dr. Andy Galpin, you know, I think some stress is very good for us. I think it's important for, I think that, you know, putting ourselves in these stress states, like even what we just did, the sprinting on the podcasting thing, and as stressed out as that was, and I know unhealthy it would be to run like that all the time. But there's, I think there are some health benefits to actually pushing ourselves that way. So it's really more about, you know, if you're going year after year, lots of shows like that, like, oh man, you're in for it. At the end of the day, you just gotta listen to your body. I have a client now that I'm working with, that I've been working with now for, I want to say six months maybe, maybe about six months, and she competed 12 times over a period of a couple of years. Like I just did a lot of competitions. And man, we are doing some serious repairing. Like serious repairing to where, I can't put her over 1300 calories yet. I made a business off of it. I literally had no intention to online coaching when I did it. No one's ever seen me put it on my Instagram. No one's ever heard me even mention it or talk about it. But I had a very successful business, and all I was helping was mostly women's bikini, men's physique and bodybuilders that as I was going through the circuit that I was meeting that, I just was getting terrible coaching. And I listened to it, I'm like, no dude, that's not what you do. This is what you do. And so after a while, I was like, fuck I just need to do this thing. And that full time because there's a full time amount of athletes that are going through this that are getting poor coaching. So I can imagine, cause I know you're still doing that. That's crazy. All this restrictive talk took me hungry. Just it's not, why can't you wait till the end of the podcast? Because, because it's right here in front of me. I've been waiting for- You guys have been talking shit forever about me bringing them up. What do you think? I mean, they're super tasty, right? I love it. What's in here? I know there's some walnuts and- I'm insta storing it right now. It's literally an entire tray full of cookies and brownies. These are our Mind Pump Organify cookies. Yeah, so this is- Oh, this is not regular. No, goofball. These are- I thought you were bringing my qualities. These are protein cookies and brownies. I don't feel bad. Yeah, this is, so those have been following me on Instagram and have seen me post a story when we make these and everyone's been giving me shit for not bringing them to you guys to try out. I'm gonna try some right now. Try out. So what do we have here? We have- Peanut cookie. There's an olive peanut butter. So the bigger ones have walnuts in them. The smaller ones are just straight peanut butter and then the chocolate is cocoa peanut butter. Brownies. Can you put protein powder in this? All of them. They're all protein cookies. Really? Yeah. I'm not gonna, okay, I'm gonna be honest, audience. I'm not gonna lie here. Just because we have a sponsor. No, I brought you guys the ones that I know are the best. All right, so- This is really good. It doesn't taste like, you have any protein powder in there. It tastes like a legit, like, peanut butter cookie. Yeah. No, it mixes really well, man. Wow, that's really good. Yeah. That is really good. So this, we've done, I don't know, we've probably done five different recipes or so. This is for sure one of my favorite recipes is this one. And I've shared it, so if you're on the- The protein cooks that well? Yeah, right? You can't take, I would have never known. Yeah. It blends right in. It doesn't even have an aftertaste. Just any five already. I did. He can't use this to me. Yeah, I mean- I mean, the macros are pretty friendly. I don't know them off the top of my head right now. I know, but there's not really much in it, man. It doesn't take, the peanut butter is the secret. I tell you what, because we've done it like other flavored cookies. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. This one is fantastic. Right, it's the best one, I think too. Believe it or not, these ones don't, but the Organifi Green Juice, you would be surprised how well it mixes with some stuff. Oh, the mint chocolate you were saying? Yeah, so we make a mint chocolate chip cookie and we use the green juice, right? That's what turns it green. The cookie's green. Huh. That's such a good Christmas cookie, if you think about it, right? It is. The green? Well, I mean, it does have that mint aftertaste, so I can see how that might blend well. It does blend well, man. It blends really well. Katrina tried it in a red velvet protein mix. It was awful, oh, it was awful. She loves it, she'll like surprise me, she won't tell me what she's doing, and then, and she'll like, try this. I'm like, what did you put in there? Why did you put- That's an interesting combo. It's like, those flavors do not complement each other. Yeah, what do you say? When you do it, like, tastes bad? And you don't want to feel like, that tastes interesting. The one thing about our relationship- You look bad in that dress? One thing about our relationship, and it's always a little rough sometimes when I do it, but like, I 100%, I am not the guy that gives the white lie, like if- Could she do the same thing to you? Oh, absolutely. That's good. We have a very blunt, straightforward relationship, and if she makes something that is not good, I'll just be like, honey, that tastes like shit. I don't know what you did. She'll straight up tell you like, yeah, you're stupid. Oh, no, you guys hear me say this all the time, but if you understood how very, I mean, the radical honesty thing is so important, I think, in a relationship. It only took me fucking 30-something years to figure that out. See, Courtney will know just by my portion size. How much do we- I see you don't like it, you know? Yes, it's like a little tiny portion on my plate. I'm like, no, it's great. Everything's good. But she's the first one too. I mean, she'll listen to an episode, and I'll be like, hey, did you listen to that episode? And she'll be like, yeah, you sounded really stupid. Oh, my God, Jesus. No, no, when you say that, but she'll critique it. You know, when you said this, that like, I don't know why, what were you thinking? I was like, oh, and then I tried to defend myself. So she never says that we said that. She never says something about me and Justin. Never. Only good things. Now you're lying. No, I'm not. We love Katrina. She never says anything. I would try to blame it back on you, but that's because Sal said something to me, that's why I was just- Those are stupid responses. That's just- Yeah, so radical honesty. All right, our next question is from AllisonW89. How do you think the holidays affect your mental and physical health, and what can we do to stay in a routine during the holidays? So, you know what's funny about holidays that I've noticed? Just keep doing what you're doing right now. Well, it does, it affects people in two general ways. Either people love holidays and it's great time and it makes them feel so happy and they play Christmas music and everything's great. This is my girlfriend, this is my girlfriend. If you put Christmas music on for her during the holiday season, it doesn't matter what's going on, she's happy. She loves it, she loves decorating, she loves the whole- I don't like the holidays for some reason. I'm starting to- Do you know why? You know, I'm trying to think why I don't like the holidays. I'm wondering if part of the reason why I don't like the holidays is because I was raised in the fitness industry and for people who are in the business of fitness, holiday season sucks for business. It's the hardest time to run a gym. It's the hardest time to hit your numbers, make money or whatever. People don't wanna work out, your gym is slow. Clients flake on you. I don't like cold weather. I don't like dark, you know, cause I like the sun when it's out. So I just, I think I've associated it all with that and then on top of it, you know, my, when I was married, my ex-wife had a family member that was very close to her pass away, like the day before Thanksgiving. So for years after Thanksgiving- It kind of stays with you. Yeah, so it stayed with us on that. So, but I'm starting to like it again. I'm starting to like the holidays again, but now here's the thing with, here's the thing with the holidays I'll say when it comes to your physical and mental health. It's all in how you view it. You know, the people who think of the holidays as a negative thing, it's gonna be bad. It's gonna be bad for your mental health. For people who really enjoy it and love it and enjoy the, you know, the people around them, it's gonna be very good. So it's really, it's really up on you. And as far as- Yeah, but you say that so fucking lightly like it's easy, cause let me tell you something. This has been a huge struggle for me for fucking 30 years of my life. You don't like your holidays. Well, I try to. I've been working at it for a long time. You know, it's a, it's tough when you had a, when you had a childhood like I did with the, the shit that I went through with most people that have listened to the show for a long time know what that is. And holidays were the worst. So, I mean, our family was fucking chaotic year around but the holidays were always worse because that's when my family would be the most stressed cause you got fucking four kids were broke. You can't, you know, it's like trying to figure out how can we afford even a Christmas tree plus you gotta get all these kids gifts. And then it's like, it was, and then as a kid I remember getting, getting, getting money and stuff like that from other family members sent. And we had to get, turn that money over to my parents to feed us or to get the Christmas tree or to do something like that. And so, and when you're, when you're fucking eight years old, you don't, you don't process that like a, like a normal adult would like as an adult now I'd have probably empathy for my parents. And it's not as a kid, I'm mad. As a kid, I'm angry. As a kid, I don't get, I don't, I didn't get anything. So I'm pissed off. And then my parents take my money. I was like, this is fucked up of us on my own. At least be able to keep my own money. So that's kind of your attitude, right? So I carried that for a very long time. And then in my adulthood, I would always, I didn't pick up on it till later that I would, I would struggle around this, this, this time of year. And especially if I was in a relationship and I'm just, I'm awful at like doing the gift thing and doing thoughtful things around the holiday. What I am good at doing is year round. Year round, like best boyfriend ever, right? I'm getting by stuff from my girls, spoiled the shit out of her. If I miss anything, it's a fucking holiday or a birthday. And it's because I have trained. Well, what's harder for you given the gifts or receiving? Oh, receiving, yeah. Receiving is, receiving is. I like this about you. Yeah. So I don't have to buy shit for you. Yeah, no. So for you by the way. No, so it used to get so bad. This is real talk, right? So you guys know being, being trainers for many years, once you, once you establish relationships with a lot of these clients, they love you like family and they buy you stuff. And you know, I'd have clients that would buy me gifts and finally I'd get a client to be like, hey, you know, I just bought you like a $2,000 gift and you just like, no big deal. It's like, I'm, and then I had to explain my whole story, right? And you know, they would try and work on like, you know, how you, you know, try this and try that and giving me books to read and all this shit and none of it would help. And what I would, what I'd find would happen would I would end up faking emotion to keep them happy. You know, they would give me a gift and I know, fuck, all right, Adam, act surprised, act excited and I would, I would be faking this. And you guys know me, I'm, I can't do that very well. Like I just, it's not my style. So I finally got to a point where I just, I told everybody, everything from my family, everybody, all I want for Christmas, all I want for my birthday is toilet paper. And so this was a big thing that went on for years where I would go, I will, this was, this was the thing was I can't, if you, I buy the things that I want, I work hard so I could buy the things that I want for myself so that I don't really want. Like if I feel like I, there's not like these gifts that I have a list of like how to wish it. There's a story behind toilet paper too though. Well, yeah, there's stories, of course there's stories. It's not just because. Why don't you ask for wet wipes? I mean, that's what you use anyway. Well, so, well, that's part of that too. That's so they come in. So when we were kids, part of being poor too, like I'll never forget this. Fuck man, I hated this. I hated coming home from school, right? You know, to take your, your fucking day shit, right? After school. So whether you're holding it. Yes, yes, I'm running home from school. Like everyone's had this, right? If you, if you went to school and you're waiting to sit at your own toilet, you don't want to take a shit at schools. School's shits are terrible way, man. Right, so. Some kids going to bust the door open. I don't know. I don't know how many times in high school and in elementary or junior high, whatever, running home from school to get home to take my day shit and fucking no toilet paper or like a stack of McDonald's napkins, you know, is what I'm wiping my ass with. And you know, I just. That's rough man. So people that don't know this about me, this is where the baby wipe fetish came from and why that was so important to me. Years, all I, all I asked for was toilet paper. So every year I do still get this from all my family and close friends. They know this about me. So I've always got a year of supply of toilet paper for the, I never had to buy toilet paper. And I get excited because I think, you know, these people really know me and I think it's funny and it's this great. So it's been something that's been going on as a tradition in my family and in my small circle of friends like that know this. I'm going to buy you the most expensive, rare, like collectible toilet paper of all time. I got to find it. Yeah. I'm going to find. It's got to exist somewhere. Yeah, it's got to be like, it's made out of like yak. So this being said, so I, so this being said, I think, I think this what's extremely important is if you're somebody who struggles with this and this is what was hard for me was communicating this. So when I was younger, I was just, I would avoid it. Like, I don't want to go, I don't want to go to any of these fucking holiday things. I just don't want to be around it. Like, well, if you're, once you become a grown ass adult and you get married or you get in a relationship, eventually you're going to have to do some of these family things. So it's, it's taken a lot of practice and exercise for me to do it. It's also very important to have a partner like I have now who knows this about me and that I've communicated that to her that your family is amazing. They love the holidays, you guys, and I love to be a part of it, but I just want you to know that inside what you don't see is it's work and effort for me to do this. And, and it still is, it'll, and I don't know if it'll ever completely not be work. I've gotten better at being able to, you know, just relax and have a good time and enjoy the holidays. But for many, many years, man, I would just, Lee Katrina would have a hard time. This was early on in our relationship. We, her family, huge. Everybody comes over. They all spend the night. Like this, still this day, everybody, all the family comes over. They're sleeping in sleeping bags on the floor the night before. And I know someone's listening right now, like, yes, this is my family. And lots of families do this type of shit, right? Not me, dude. Like, no, I mean, I'm the guy who didn't spend the night at someone else, that woman's house till it was 30. You know what I'm saying? So I'm fucking not spending the night at your mom's floor. You know what I'm saying? Are you kidding me? So that was really tough. And so there's definitely a compromise that she had a lot of times I'll, I'll leave the event, but the whole family knows and they know now, but boy, was it a struggle. I did early, early years for sure. Very similar. Like I, because Courtney's family very much gets into this after every present, they want to hug. Yes, that's her family. After every present, everybody has to do that. Do I have to hug? Like, hug? It's just awkward. I'm not a big hugger, you know, to begin with. So that's like, yeah, cool, thanks. I just want to give them like the bump or something, you know, and like move on. But, and then we, what we do now, and I'm trying to actually address this myself because like, you know, she loves the same thing with coming over and sleeping. So we'll have a couple of the cousins stay over at our house, like afterwards. And then, you know, her sisters and all that stuff. And at first I was just like, ah, there's like too many people in my house, you know? I can't stand like all this like extra energy and stuff, but I've had to just check myself on it and go with it, you know? You know what we sound like? A bunch of scruges. Just a bunch of assholes. No, see now you say that, but then like, one of the things that I found out about myself about, well, it's now eight or nine years ago, maybe 10 now, was I adopted a family. And every year I do this. So I have a place that I call right at Thanksgiving. They give me a family and then I do Christmas for a family. That has become extremely rewarding and enjoyable for me to do. And I love that part of the holidays. There's something about finding this family is an extreme need, like they just, I mean like- And the only, the things they ask for is it trips me out. Oh yeah, oh, this is what you exactly- Christmas tree, wrapping paper. Yeah, I could go to CVS and buy the toys and everything like that, right? And the kids are just screaming and crying. This was back when I had my pickup truck and I would load the whole thing up just with toys. And with them it's about volume. It's not like little rich kids here, fucking that are spoiled. It's about how big the gift is or the $400 gift or the $1,000 gift with it. With them it's like just things they get to open. They're just so excited to get to open stuff. So I would just get tons of like small gifts and you unload it and then fill up this house just full of stuff and watch these kids, man. It was just, it's been amazing to see that. And it's also been good for me because it also reminds me like I didn't have it that bad. Like in my head I had it that bad and yeah, it was tough. What about that? Like there's so many more people that had it way worse than I did. So that's helped me stop being such a little bitch about the holidays and having a hard time is seeing other people that are in way more need than I was ever. So that's all the mental side. I think we've strayed a little bit from the question but as far as like the physical side, just getting out and being active, hiking, doing stuff. Cause we're just staying on your routine. Yeah, just work out. We just talked about this though. We just talked about this like two episodes ago we talked about the holiday thing and I think too many people put too much pressure on staying fit through that. And I think that's Sal said it really well that that's what causes that binging. It's like you're with family. If you're eating well and training year round fucking Thanksgiving and Christmas are not gonna make you obese. You're not gonna get obese in one or two days. I tried. It doesn't do it. But having that balance, right? My mom's fudge kind of packs it on. Whoa. I'll be honest. Fudge packer? Whoa. You just put that together. That was you. Yeah, no, it wasn't me. All right, next question is from Trev Lucy. Have recent CrossFit guests change your minds about CrossFit and its impact? Totally. No, Justin. Shut up, bro. You know what? Yes they have, dude. Not at all. Of course they have. When you meet people, well fine. I'll talk for myself then. Fucking hard headed. When we've met with people like the guys from Barbell Shrugged or Beyond the Barbell or Kalipa, Kelly Starrett, when you talk to these people about the business of CrossFit, how they coach in their gyms, what they know about exercise and training, especially the guys from Beyond the Barbell. I'm realizing that because CrossFit was a loose affiliation, it just, everybody did it. And what you're seeing now is, and they've all said this, that the explosion of CrossFit has slowed down quite a bit and is now plateaued because all the bad coaches, all the bad programming is falling off. Those gyms are not successful. And all the good people are succeeding and you're starting to see this morph into something that's a little bit better. And they even said themselves that there's the sport of CrossFit and then there's a way you work out for fitness and it's totally different. So for me personally, it's changed a lot. As far as CrossFit, the sport is concerned. It's awesome. It's still awesome. I always thought it was awesome. It was the whole CrossFit boxes for fitness that I had an issue with just because the programming I thought was terrible, but there's good coaches out there that are doing good things and it looks like it's moving in that direction. Then we had the girls gone wad, then the host, Julie Bauer from PaleoOMG. They're all CrossFitters and they're talking about different types of programming, correctional exercise, not doing the Olympic lifts to fatigue. So it's changing my mind. It has changed my mind. No, definitely. I've definitely softened up, having all these guests on there and hearing their story and their drive and motivation going into it to make an impact and change. And I get that. Don't be a pussy. Don't be a pussy. Don't be a pussy. Don't be a pussy. I like you being a hard ass. Let me finish. Let me finish. It's still stupid. It's really stupid. I don't consider a sport like you guys do. I definitely appreciate the taxing nature of it. It's really hard, you know? But for me, it just looks like a big watered-down show, like this gauntlet of fucking hurt myself. So I mean, that's never gonna go away. You can't convince me otherwise. I mean, every sport has its own appeal. And for me, I'm just not attracted to it. So that's my own opinion and I get that people are into it and shit. But for me, I don't know. There's still part of me that's a purist sport athlete and I know I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this because everybody considers it a sport and it's legit and I get that. But I appreciate people in it. I appreciate their motivations towards it. It's like, do you like to watch golf? No, I don't. There you go. I don't like to watch CrossFit. It's the same thing. I don't know if our minds have changed about CrossFit. I don't think it's really changed. I think we've met all the people you rattled off. I mean, I was around it early, early, early, early. I mean, we talked about that with Kaleepa. I remember watching him in the parking lot before anyone knew who he was and out there doing the first one in Melpitas before the games even came out. Like so we were fucking around with CrossFit well before anybody knew what it was. And as a trainer who had already been training for a good solid five years plus by that time, I right away saw that this is not like for the average Jane or Joe to get in shape. I'm training, I've already trained at this point probably hundreds of people and I'm thinking when someone teaches me a new modality or a new thing in training, right away I compute that with, okay, how does this translate to my clients? How can I use this with the clients I have and just it wasn't applicable at all. It was not something that transferred over to training the people I was training. You know, maybe I had one or two clients and I did. You know, I had one or two clients that I could train that way and loved it and it was fine for them. They were athletic enough to handle those movements and doing things like that. But for the most part it just didn't apply to the people that I was helping. So I right away viewed it as a sport. Right away I saw it and thought this is a fucking cool sport, man. It's like football, it's like basketball. It's just with weights. You know, it's just nothing we've seen before that where someone decided to make a sport out of lifting. And so I've learned- I don't like those sports at all. It's just that. And now that we've had a chance to interview all these guys what it is is you have people like everybody you just named and that we've interviewed on the show that are trying to make it better, right, for a group. But at the end of the day there will never be a group setting class that will be superior to one-on-one coaching because as humans we are all so fucking individual and unique. It's the reason why it's so difficult and why it was so hard for us to create a program or programs that we put out online because we knew damn well that when we create something that it's not ideal for every single person which is exactly how when we released it it was like, listen, here is a blueprint and a foundation for like some general rules of these are movements that you should be incorporating into your training and this is how you should structure it and undulate it. So that part is true. But then as far as it being able to mold to the individual that part is extremely important because we're also fucking different. So no, it hasn't changed my mind. I've always liked it. The reason why we brought people on because we like all those people think they're very intelligent, smart and doing great things for the CrossFit community. But it's still, I would never if I had a client who said, called me up and said, Adam, I've never worked out before I wanna get in shape. You know, I was thinking about doing CrossFit what do you think? I would say no. I would say no, let me help you out and I would tell them, I would assess them and see where they're at and then probably give them a recommendation based off of that. So that's where I've always stood on it and I've never been like bitter about it or been hard about it. I know we came out early on for the show we knew that if we took a stance against CrossFit and said why we don't CrossFit we knew that would cause attention but at the end of the day we all I mean all of my good buddies are competitors and do that stuff and I was around it since day one. So I've always had an open mind to the sport and I think if you like it and it works well for you and you don't get hurt and you enjoy it and you stay in good shape and you know how to back off the intensity to keep yourself safe, you're around and do that then who the fuck am I to tell you that's not good for you? Like who, you know, do it. Yeah, do whatever you want. You know, get crazy. Next up is Josh Dobo-Dobson your most embarrassing sex story. Wow. Well, what do we do through this one up there? Dude, this guy over here. First of all, I didn't want to do it. You didn't want to do it. Adam was like, dude, put it up there, we need to do it. It's been a long time. It's, we strayed away from these type of questions for a long time and we've been having a lot of people on the forum pop up like, man, I missed the old mind pump when you guys used to go off the rails and talk about vaginas for an entire hour and stuff. So where are those days? I'm in the old. So south through the south and I thought, man, let's talk about some embarrassing sex stories. Do you have one off the top of your head? I do. Let me hear it. I do and it's gonna be more embarrassing for my girlfriend. Sorry, babe. Oh no. So it's when we first kind of started hanging out and when I first met her, it was after, it was shortly after I had finally like done with my ex. So I'm out. I didn't want to meet anybody. It just happened. Totally fell for each other very strongly. So shortly after that, we're sitting down and we're having this really good deep conversation and she'll still argue this to this day cause I bring this up to her. She's like, that's not what happened. This is what happened. It's exactly what happened. I reach over and grab her hand to pull her closer to me to kiss me cause I'm going to give her a kiss. And I think she misunderstood me grabbing her hand to pull her closer with me grabbing her hand to put it on my dick. So I grab her hand, I grab her hand, I pull her over and she just grabs it. That is not embarrassing. That's like something went wrong. Cause when I tell the story, she's like, dude, what the fuck? I grab her hand and she does it. And I look at her like, whoa. And she looks at me like, what? And I'm like, I was just going to give you a kiss. She's like, what you want to meet? She's like, but you put my hand. And I said, no, I was just trying to, and then we had this whole like debate about it and then we made out. But that's about, that's the, that's my embarrassing. The saddest part is you didn't go? Yeah. Yeah, I have something more embarrassing. Come on, man. Well, maybe I'll, maybe you'll. All right. That's like PG. All right. So I got to paint the story here. I'm 23 years old. So we're, I'm like three years into personal training. I've had, I had my, I had my house for a year. So I'm on, I'm like making good money. I'm a trainer. I'm fit. I'm 23. I'm just, I'm full of piss and vinegar and just think I'm on top of the world. Right. And I liked it. I liked the date girls that were older than I was. So I was chasing after this 29 year old girl that was French, Vietnamese and Filipino. And God, she was, she was fucking bad. She was bad, right? And every, all the guys in the gym loved her and we're always chasing after her. And, you know, I, I was, I was slowly talking to her over time. And I knew that she, this girl, like everybody wanted her. So I can't, I couldn't just like hit on her all the time. Right. So I slowly like worked my game with her. And by worked my game, I just talked to this girl. Like, and I didn't try and pick up on her right away. I just got to know her. And, you know, we'd start flirting over time. And then eventually you could tell there was this like sexual tension, but she used to talk shit to me. Like, you know, you're not ready for me. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm a grown-ass woman. I'm on another level. You're a little boy, right? And I'm thinking in my head, like, bull shit. Whatever. Right, right, right. I'm ready for you. What are you going to do? So long story short, I get her, and she's coming back to my house. I get her to come back to my house. And we're driving, we're driving to my house. And it's, it's already like on in the car. Like it's like, I'm in my head, like, I'm just like, oh, I'm so excited right now. And we pull into my garage and we're messing around in the garage and like already closed. I'm getting pulled off. I'm going upstairs with her. We go into my, my, my master bedroom and we get in there and she like closes the door right away, slams it. And then I'm standing at the edge of my bed and she walks over and she goes, she pushes me right in the chest. And I'm like, oh shit, this is about to go down. And then she just grabs my pants starts unzipping them and I'm sitting laying back on like, fuck yeah, here we go. And I'm so excited right now. And so she unzips, rips my pants all the way off and down. And then she goes like, and I'm pretty sure that I'm going to get head right now, but I'm not, she grabs my, she grabs my ankles. Oh, it's a little more south. She tilts me up even further. And she goes, she goes straight for my asshole. And I'm 23 right now. And my salad has not been tossed ever. And I did not know that this was like a first date thing that you do. Wow. So I- It's not typically. What was so embarrassing was she was so hot. She was so bad. I wanted her, I wanted her so bad. I was of course ready for the moment, but the moment she did that, it tickled so bad. I was so uncomfortable. I completely lost my, lost my heart on. I was so embarrassed. I couldn't get it up after that. Like you was going like. Oh no, it was just weird. It's not my thing for sure. Like it definitely was not my thing. I know Sal likes that type of stuff. Oh my God. He's always got to throw that out there. Not true. Dude she handled it. In heaven, huh? You weren't ready for her. I wasn't. And maybe that was what she was trying to prove to me that I was just not ready. I know for all those that were wondering, like I came back later on and made up for everything and it was all good. But it was definitely one of the most embarrassing moments for me. I was not ready for that. And 23 years old, salad tossed. I mean, I can't really top that. That's amazing. Can't top that salad. No, I can't get in that. Mine was more of a mix of kind of like a horrific like shit situation and you know, I was just dating Courtney. It was like the very beginning. It was like maybe like we'd done it a couple of handful of times and I had just got this apartment with this guy. I had to get out of my house because it was like I can't take her to my parents' house. This is fucking like I'm a loser. I need to get a new place. And so I shacked up with this guy who has a house and he also had his kid every now and then, like every other weekend. And so this kid would like come in and every now and then he'd like say hi or whatever and like I was friends with him and stuff. And so I brought Courtney back one time. And so we're up there, you know, in the room and about to get down to business and stuff. And you know, we're kind of getting hot heavy. And then my stomach started just And she was like, what was that? I was like, wow, nothing. I just like kept trying to like drive and, you know, keep going like, you know, press on. Like I have to perform. And just kept going. It's getting louder. And she's like, I don't know. It's like, it's like maybe the sixth time. Right? So I'm like, I'm like, oh, shit. Like I think, you know, something might get down. And then it got to the point where I was like, oh my God, like something's squeezing out. I had to like pinch super hard. Thankfully the bathroom was like right next door. Wait, wait, you had to like leave mid, I had to leave mid bang. I stopped. And she was like, she was like, wait, like what? I was like, I just have to, you know, I'll be right back. I have to go take a shit. Went right next door. Like, so I should have probably gone downstairs. That would have been a smart thing to do. But no, I went right, there was a sharing wall. Oh my God. And so I'm sitting on this toilet. I'm like, like the worst, like most explosive shit I've ever had in my life, right? And like, I was like, oh my God. I was like so embarrassed. And I was like, oh God, thank God she can't hear me. You know, and I'm like laughing to myself. Like, like it was like so loud and vicious. You know, like I get back in like court. He's like sitting on the bed looking at me with this big smile. And I was like, oh shit, she heard everything. Oh my God. She's like, are you okay? You're right. And your head, you're like, can we finish it out? Yeah, I was like, I haven't got off yet. Oh, let's keep going. Oh my God. No, oh my God. And then you married her. Yeah, then you married her. Like this bit, she is down. She knew what she was in for. She is down. She knew what she was in for. I got that inside, so. Straight wife you were up right there. And that kid walked in on us one time too. So that was the other story. That was awkward. One of yours? No, this was the kid that was like, he was net. He wasn't supposed to be there, but like every other weekend. And then this became a frequent thing. And he was coming in, cause I had showed him, I had a Game Boy and I was like, you know, I ended up giving it to him. And he was like, hey, thanks for the Game Boy. Ah, like he's watching us bang. Oh wow. And yeah, so those are my kids. Have you had your kids walk in yet? Not yet, thank God. I mean, we got sneaky, dude. We were in the kitchen. You get smart. While they were watching TV. Whoa. You have to. You have to when you have kids. You gotta do what you gotta do. That's what I don't have any, man. Well, it's kind of exciting. I got, my kid walked in, I forgot to lock the door and thank God it was the beginning of sex. So we were still under the covers and my daughter walks in and we just stop. You know, we're just like, bear hug. I'm wrestling. No, we're just stopping. Like we're just gonna, we're just hugging. We're just hugging into the covers and my daughter's asking me all these questions. I'm like, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Little did she know I'm inside. Well, it's underneath. I'm inside. Anyway. Staying warm. So new, new thing we're gonna try out. I'm gonna drop or one of us will drop a knowledge bomb at the end of one of our episodes every week. So I think I'll drop the first one. These are short. These are gonna be short, like four minute, five minute little tips for fitness or for anything else. We decide we think you need a tip on the tip. So the first one is gonna be on trigger sessions. Now this is something that is in one of our programs at MapCentabolic, but here's how you use a trigger session. Real quick, on your days off, do some very light pumping type exercises. So if you hit chest on Monday and your chest is really sore on Tuesday, do some light band, you know, flies, some light pushups, just get a good squeeze, get a good burn, get a little bit of a pump in the muscle. What it does is it maintains that muscle building signal. It keeps it elevated. It also facilitates recovery. You'll actually find that you recover faster because you did this. Trigger sessions, if you do them consistently, are a game changer. It's a great way to increase frequency of stimulation without really increasing. What would you recommend the intensity? Because I know that the most common thing that I see when people try to apply this to their routine is they overdo it and then they create more damage. It's not a workout. You're just trying to get a pump. You're just getting a little bit of a pump in the muscle and squeeze. Think of, like again, maintain the anabolic signal without creating muscle damage. So do this again on the days off. Do it frequently so you could do it like two or three times that day and pick weak body parts. Do it for several body parts. Be consistent with it. You'll notice within a week, literally within one week, you'll notice changes in your body. That's how effective they are. And again, it's found primarily in our maps anabolic program. If you want more information, by the way, you can go to mindpumpmedia.com. Also, YouTube, our YouTube is on fire right now. We post 365 plus videos a year. That's more than anybody in the universe. At least I think so. It's Mind Pump TV on YouTube. Now we're gonna say that. On YouTube. We'll claim that all day. Subscribe today. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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