 As we're really excited about the outcome today, we clearly value the lines of scrimmage. We know that's where games are won and lost. And to get two players, Matt and Zach, two, we got bigger. We added size, strength, power up front. And both those guys are wired the right way. They're made up of the things that we value. And so really excited to bring both those players in. What are some of the traits that you all saw of Bergeron and then Harrison for the bookouts? Yeah, I'll start with Matt, right, D-Led. So Matt is a guy, you know, obviously, played out of tackle at Syracuse. We'll start him inside. Just the vision we have for him now. We like the depth we have and where we're at with the old line, right? And so we can bring him along the right way. Got a lot of power in his game. So you can see some of that at the senior bowl. He went in there. Like I said, he's wired the right way. Got to spend some time with him. Led did and Flats. And so we've got a clear vision for him. And we're excited about getting him in our program. Zach, Zach's another guy. We were able to work out in Ohio State when we went up there. Link, clearly he was a big recruit coming out of Ohio State. Obviously kind of coming into his own. Still pretty young. And there's not the pressure on him right away. We've got some good veterans in there on the edge. Can help them. Now that guy, you know, putting out and goes. If you give you a little interior pass rush too, we'll just we'll see what he gets here. But that's a good room for a young guy. I don't come walking into with Kaleis and Bud and Zo and Grady and David. And so we're fired up about both those guys being here. He said he was just kind of hitting his stride. Does he still have some of you all see that? And he said he could play all up and down the line. Sure. I mean, those guys have confidence and stuff like that. And you know, when you get those guys are excited. And sometimes I'm hoping whether they give us some good team meeting material. So I'll come back through and see what those guys said. It's usually entertaining. But with Zach, and you know how it is, he led from that area of the country. And huge expectations coming in there. And he was kind of coming to know he's a young guy. And so we feel like there's a lot of room to develop. And there's no pressure immediately for him because of the way that room is constructed right now. For a second, do you want to make Kaleis? Even Elijah Wilkes, when you brought him in, Afidi, and even Chirva, it seems like there's a lot of guard tackle flexibility. Is that something specifically that or is there something specific in that that attracts you to that type of player versus maybe your traditional like disguise and guard or what type of situation? Sometimes, I mean, as you get into the season, Mike, I mean, when you're dealing with injuries, and you know, you don't want to have musical chairs for a young guy. I mean, some of its necessity, like our first year, even with Jalen, you know, we had to, because of the way the camp started, and just to get him going. And then, obviously, we thought about many times what happened on week one, and kind of thrown into the fire there, and then dealing with his back issues. So where his development's at. And I'll answer your question, it certainly helps, because if they're not a starter, they need to have a position of flexibility. Now, it does help that you can dress eight of them, but we do value that. I'll call upon that with Bershaw, and he is someone who, you know, he's been a four-year starter at tackle, but only practiced one time at the senior ball inside. So there's not a lot to go off of in terms of that move, but what is it about his game that you thought could translate to move? It's a way he's built. You know, and everybody's got different philosophies. You know, what they're looking for in offensive linemen, and some people, you know, they get so rigid on schemes or whatever it is, you know, that they're a cup of tea that they're looking for with the old linemen. One of the guys, you know, was as smart as Matt and the way he's playing. Really, just for us, the vision of the way he's built. And I hate using comps, but I will give you one in this instance about guys that play tackle that ended up, and essentially moving into guard is a guy, Roger Saffold, that I was able to coach. And I coached Roger at the end of his career. He was playing really good football there, but that early in his career, the tackle, that's what he was drafted to be. And then, you know, end up having a great career or still playing right at guard. I'm not saying Matt is Roger, but you know, there's similar kind of body types, power. And it's just so many of your experiences with him. And he's big, tough. Obviously all these guys, you know, they're transitioning to NFL, it's a lot different from college, but we feel good about where we're at and our program and our coaching staff to develop them as well. And in a lot of cases, you're gonna see that, Tori, where if you're the best offensive lineman, you're gonna play left tackle, you know? And so you'll see that a lot in college. Guys are playing that, but then, I think our staff does a really good job and coaches does a good job of looking at the skill set, really evaluating the player and having a clear vision of how we're gonna use them. You know, you all tried enough to go get him. What was kind of the motivation there? And just weren't gonna be there at 44? We always talk about conviction and passion and when you love a player and you really want him, and then you wanna go get him. You know, when you feel that and you'd rather do that. And there's other players that we value. If we're sitting there, we have a plan. If we're here and if he goes, we know how it goes off, but sometimes I'm telling you, man, it's almost like people have cameras in your facility sometimes and you'll sit there and you have a stack of eight players and they just go and they go and they go. So when you have conviction and you feel really good, which we did, we said, let's go up and get him. That stack obviously took pride in the ability to play inside and play on the edge, but I believe you referred to him as an edge. Do you want him to just go? Charles, that's a great question. How do we develop these guys and let them have some early success early? He does, and he's a smart guy and eventually as his game evolves, we can play them in multiple spots, but just early on, I think you see a lot of early downs develop them in the edge and that's a good room for him to do that. There's a lot of veteran in there that can play that he can learn from. They all have their own unique skill sets, but early on and then, like I said, if he continues to work and has success and his game can expand and no different, right? I mean, no better example than when he steps in there with Kaleas Campbell. Kaleas in different schemes has played different spots and the guys had a 40-year career. So those are things, you know, we get in there and we feel good about Ryan in that room with Linear and Hux and I'm on some of those vets, I think it's a very good room for him right now. Coach, can you continue down that trend about a little bit with specifically Kaleas Campbell and how you envision him kind of working with Zach Harrison? Because being that body type, right? That's not always something you can speak to unless you are in that size. Sure, but you gotta have the right vets, you know, sometimes people run away with narratives that just aren't true and those are in buildings or inside the walls and you pump up somebody and say, oh, this guy's a great leader and they fool the outside world, but Kaleas is and that's a real dude and trust me on the other side of going against him and game planning against him. There's a lot of things he can learn from, he can learn from Bud too, you know, as a guy that's started to find a groove as a power rusher. Bud's had a lot of success as a power rusher as well, so there's a lot of guys in there and then as this game expands and really it's like the day-to-day routine. These guys when they come in here, it's a long journey as a rookie and those guys can help them out, they've been through it. Same struggles. And Zach's big, but nobody has Kaleas' body type and my brother's got a duck to come in that door, he's a big dude, a giant. Looking at Matthew on the other side of the ball, how much does his ability to kind of get to that second level and match up against linebackers on the move, you know, seal those lanes, how much did that factor into, you know, why you guys wanted him in this system? There's a lot of reason we wanted him and we have our core values, but we don't put ourselves in a box, you know, where it's like you start eliminating some good football players and just like, you know, as you talk about positionalist players, well, you know, a little bit too, he may not be the perfect, you know, if you're writing it out, he's a different player than Chris. That's a bad guard comparison, he's a different player than Henny and Kyle Hinton and guys, the other guys we got in our program. But we like the intent that he plays with. You know, I do like guys that they're gonna go and you may have to pull them back or get clams of technique, but that guy's trying to put somebody into the sideline. I'll deal with that. The guys, you gotta push to go harder. That's a problem, a problem for Terry and I. So we like Matt's intent, he's smart. I said, there's not a lot of pressure, certainly there's an expectation when you invest like that, but the way the room is built right now, I mean, he's gotta go in there and earn a spot and we feel good about the depth. When you referenced the way Matt is built in terms of liking him at guard, are you talking about just physically or are you talking about other things there? Well, physically, yeah, certainly starting there and then things happen a lot quicker inside with some of those guys, you know, it was a tackle. Now an old coach told me this one time and certainly everybody's got their arguments, but for younger players, it's harder, the closer you are to the ball. Things just happen pretty damn fast this league. As much movement as you see in all the multiple fronts, that's kind of the trend, right? People started moving a lot, trying to cut the run game up for us. I mean, things happen quick, like the way you set sometimes a tackle, doesn't happen as fast. It happens a little bit quicker at guard. Matt's, you know, you're looking for instincts, spatial awareness and then the way he comes off the ball, it gives him a chance early to have success. You know, where sometimes you have young tackles, there's only a handful of blocks you're really getting. Sometimes a joke, you get confused. Hey, that big guy on the end block him. We'll start there, you know, and we joke, but there's not as many blocks, right? And then you're back side, you're kind of in a combination. Guard, there's all kinds of things. You're working with the center, you're working with the tackles. Got to be very intelligent and have instincts. And certainly we feel that about Matt, or we wouldn't have made the selection. Matt told us about spending one day, I believe he said it was Wednesday at the senior ball at left guard at the request of a coach. And he said he felt better as the day went on, as to how that went for him. And what kind of impression did that make on Ledford and the report that he gave you guys about? Well, it's not just him. We value everybody's opinion, Charles, you know, and certainly you got to have a vision for the guy to have success in here. And you know, it's not going to happen overnight, right? There's a lot of things, I mean, it's, if he, we feel good about where the roster's at. Obviously, we believe in the player and he's got to go on there and earn it. But yeah, certainly anytime. I mean, if you're, even if you played left guard, all of a sudden you got to go over and play right guard. He's got to take a little bit and depending on how much you've done it. Speaking of the roster, obviously, the off-season is not over yet. We still have a long way to go. Right. There's just more for you, but can you just talk about what this off-season has been like for both of you? Because obviously you've been able to do some things that we know you couldn't do the last two years with. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. It's been a lot of fun and not taking anything away from the other off-seasons. But we have a clear vision for what we're looking for and the makeup that we're looking for and the types of players we're looking for just like, again, these two players we added today, it's fun to watch them because these are violent. Their tape's fun to watch because they're trying to finish people and they're blocking people off the film and they're violent, tough, physical players. And so we believe we've added a lot of those players. And when you have the opportunity to add those players, it's exciting. It really is. And then you continue to add because it's competition. So you're going to have more competition. You're going to have a more competitive camp. And Sharpen's iron like man, sharpen man. But our focus has remained the same that, hey, we've got to bring in the right kind of people because we know how we're going to win games. And we're going to win it because we're going to be the smarter, tougher, more competitive team because we're going to put in that work on a daily basis. So we've got to bring in players that like to work. And so it's been fun. It's been fun to be able to sit down and discuss things and have a plan and really have an opportunity to execute that plan. And then we get into the draft and we can just keep adding players. And once we get out of this draft, we're going to keep looking. And if there's an opportunity to make this team better, we're going to do it. So the only way I can say it is it's been fun and exciting. It has been. And Jeff, that's why we haven't felt desperate going in the draft. So in a lot of times, if you're really thin, and hopefully we can be going in a week one, but it allows you to certainly develop guys at the right pace, you don't feel like you have to put them out there too quick. But if they're ready, certainly they're a better player. They will play, I'm not saying that. But strategically, there's kind of like guys at every point of their career. We've got some guys that are veterans that expect to play good football, maybe in a one-two-year deal. And we've got guys in the middle part, guys that we brought back. And then we've got the young guys that are going in year two, year three, and with this class. It'll be a very competitive camp. We know that. And we feel really good about where we're at right now. But like Terry talked about, any opportunity to improve, we're going to do it. Whether it's a trade or somebody makes a cut, we think the guy can help us. We'll obviously bring them in. This is more a question toward the free agency staff but obviously when you go into that, you know the amount of money you have. You know the amount of money everybody else has. I would think for two guys who really get into the team building aspect, something inside of you is, ha, ha, we can do this. You can't do that. That feeling, you couldn't even have those last two years. Well, I'll say this though. And I guess, yeah, there's certain ways you can structure things. But I'll say really a lot of the players that we were talking about, there were other teams in the same range. So it's not like we just said, hey, we're going to go offer more money than anybody else and get this player in here. It really wasn't like that. There was options for the other players in the same range. And that was kind of the cool thing about it. I think it says a lot about this organization, this city, the culture, the coaches, the people that are here. Players really want to be here. And it's been made real clear, because there's a lot of situations. All the players that we signed were players that had markets. And they had a lot of people that wanted them. But they wanted to be here. And so, and again, I know the money is, but they're players that their other teams had the same range of money on the table. And they really wanted to be here. So that's what was really fun about it. Now, obviously, you try to figure out ways to do things that other teams can't do. But at the end of the day, the players that we brought in and that we offered, other teams were in those ranges. And they chose Atlanta. And they feel it. They want to be a part of something special. I think they know that. And again, it's the staff. It's the coaches. It's the players that are already here. And the locker room that we already have, like the Grades and the Jakes and the Chrises, all these guys, players want to be a part of that. I want to go back to yesterday first. The way today's NFL is, for running back to be drafted as high as you guys took the genre, is there to be a level of versatility to that player where it versus maybe just being more of a strict runner? Run or run, maybe more for like a 95% runner? Does there need to be more versatility in today's NFL for that to happen? Like for us, I'm not going to speak for an entire team. And we certainly value that. But sometimes conventional wisdom, everybody likes to run out in front of certain hot takes. And sometimes you see old trends become new again, and they get proved wrong. You see it in every sport. I don't want to sound like every team. And I love people to learn and talk about these theories and these vague theories that you have to do this, have to do that. And some people get really arrogant with their takes. And they get proved wrong. And they cry like, you can't do that. OK, well, it's been proven over and over again in every sport. And basketball, you have to shoot nothing but threes to win. Well, it works for some teams, but there's ebb and flows. And can you be big man centric? I don't know, Milwaukee, right? They want a championship. And I don't know the intricacies of ins and out. But you just see the ebb and flows. And you try to get creative. And certainly the game changes in certain areas. And you're getting probably more versatile players coming into the league too. Just by nature, we've talked about that too. I don't know. For us, we value that. But to say that somebody, if Earl Campbell was in the draft, that somebody couldn't go win with Earl Campbell, I wouldn't bet against Earl Campbell. So I'm not comparing Bijan. I know they're Texas guys. And I'm not comparing that at all. But you understand my logic. Could Walter Payton still lead your team? I think Walter Payton would probably still be a pretty dang good football player. I don't know. But for us, we like the versatility. I mean, Bijan obviously can do a lot of different things. And obviously, that's one thing you really liked about him. But do you also see the league a little bit, maybe, moving back toward running power football a little bit? Yeah, Jeff, that's another great question. And that's the beauty of this game. Because there's so many variables. There's a lot of smart people involved that study it. And you can go through it. And sometimes you've got to watch through the film. And you're really grinding through when you're in it. And then some people, like I said, it's good for the game. It's so many people cover. And so many people care. And there's people are debating it. But it's probably the most complicated game when you really break it down, just because you've got 22 people out there in the scheme. And you may feel like you have a perfect play. And the snap gets botched or you come down to it. And you've got a great play. And the right tackle just misses, or whatever it is. Or a corner falls down. But as you see trends, certainly, there was a made a lot of people playing shell defense. And it just becomes a number game in math. How are you going to protect those gaps? And sometimes, is it necessarily because of the way people are playing on first, second, down, and a lot of the jet motions and things like that, you need to sort it out in front of you. So maybe people say, hey, we're going to keep it in front of us and send a plant so much single high, it abs and flows. No different than the trend that Seattle had, where they made cover three in Vogue. And now you see people coming back to the too high. And is it out of necessity because of the motions and things? People need to sort things out. But again, when you go to shell coverage, it's just a math game. So how do you want to get that extra player into those fits and the run gaps? You want a two gap up front, the way you want to cut the front up to do it. So that would probably be why you're seeing a trend coming back to it. Just kind of go on to where they're not. So you're going to play that shell defense take away. Some of the shots that are happening, you're seeing them first, second down, play action. OK, you've got to counter back. The defense, they're always going to adapt. They're always going to adapt. So that's probably my best answer to give you there. Are there two to bring back to the players tonight? Do you expect Matt to teach Caleb any French? Watch Caleb, Huntley or Gary? Yeah, I'll call him Caleb, Gary. Of course, it's off his line. Well, Huntley already likes to try the language. He already knows French. I'm sure the Duke will greet him with a bonjour or something like that. And also, just being attracted to players who don't necessarily come up through the ranks in the typical fashion that a lot of elite players do. There's a good player that happens to spend time and grows up in Antarctica, one of those regional, what do they call it, those scientific research areas, right? Yeah, we'll take them, I think it'll help us win. But in all seriousness, he is a unique background, right? But the cool thing is it wasn't a big recruit, but to Syracuse and stay there was loyal to that commitment. Yeah, there's all kind of cool stories. I mean, Terry kind of talked about it. We love getting out and meeting people and, as I said, there's a lot of cool stories. And you've seen a lot of sports too, right, the Canadian influx and basketball. You're seeing certainly coming into football too. Terry, do you have a philosophical belief about people on the line of scrims you have to add every draft, no matter the round, just to sort of fill those positions that eat up so many bodies? Or does that matter? No, no, not really. I mean, I think for us, we love that the way today went. And like we said, we wanted to go up and get mad and that worked out. And then we're excited that we're talking about a bunch of guys who knew who was going to be there at 75. And yet it worked out with Zach. But if that would have been a defensive back or another position and a linebacker, we'd have taken one of those players. So it's not we value the line of scrimmage. And obviously we made investments in free agency because the right guys were available. So we value that, but we never put a number on. OK, we've got to come out of this draft with this many players here or there. We really want to take guys that we have a clear vision for and they're going to make an impact. And it fell like sometimes you do. You need a little, you can't, you do your best. You work as hard as you can, try to anticipate things. Sometimes you need a little luck. And we came out today and we're excited how it happened that we were able to add two players that we have clear visions for. I know I was joking about it when you sat down, but you have a gap of, I think, unless you move, you have a gap of like 110 or so picks tomorrow. Provided you don't move. What do you do in that three, three and a half hour break? Yeah, you try your best to, you do try to anticipate what you think could be there. So we say, OK, let's discuss. And we've had all those discussions. We've done all that, but you just get a little deeper into it. And we talk through things of who you think is going to be there. And then when you get closer to your pick, if there's already going to be a few players that we say, OK, we would move up for these particular players. And you talk about it. And if you have four or five players that you move up for, and then you're down to one, then say, let's go get them. So you do things like that. If there's not, then you just want to be patient. And you just wait. And when you get your 10 picks out, and you have a little more serious discussions, do you need to pull in medical and talk a little bit more about something? Do you need to get a little bit deeper with some of the conversations? So you work through that. But outside of that, you're just being patient and waiting. The most analyzed seven-thrown picks in the history of the NFL. Yeah. You're not doing anything else for the past time. Complain solitaire and something like that. Come out and hang out with you guys. Come down here and hang out. I mean, the food is pretty good. Look down here. Did y'all eat yet? Several times. Because I'm going to eat some of that short rib. That looks good. Junior man. Did you get your gluten-free stuff today, man? Can you eat any of that out there? No. Do you have a gluten-free menu for? Do you have a gluten-free menu? Don't let him discriminate against you, man. But Josh, I do want to add content to about year to year, some of that necessity, how you're going to play, certain number, position it. Like our job every, like what I love more than anything is blowing up his depth chart. Because it's not a fixed depth chart. Like he was so used to having just 12 personnel, 11, 4, 3, 3, 4, Sam. So I take a lot of joy. What is it right now? I'm working on the wishbone. I love bone. So show me how you have our defense drawn up. What is our defense? What's our front? Where are you putting Zach? Where are you putting? With position. Who? Adé. Oh, Adé. Yeah, just say Adé. So where's Adé right now? Like what position do you? I can't wait to see his defensive depth chart. Wishbone. Ha ha ha. Did you put Janu back there, too? Yeah. OK. Yes. Now we know it's getting late. All right, thank you. That's great.