 Thanks for staying with us. We're still on the breakfast on breakfast on plus TV Africa I think I need breakfast this morning. Okay. I will be joined by Mr. Toonday Kola-Wole a legal practitioner Kola-Wole a legal practitioner here in Lagos. Good morning and welcome to the program sir Good morning, my brother. Thanks for having me Yeah, maybe I need it I've been calling breakfast where I should be calling other words Okay Yeah, let's begin with a punch newspaper In the small time that we have let's look at some of these headlines. We're starting not with a big headline here because We've been talking and overflogging this issue of the humanitarian ministry a scandal We're beginning with Nigerians hail Tinnabu as president trims foreign trips on to Raj. Let me have your take on that You know When we go outside the country to attend the terminal conferences and the and the meeting the heights of that was the climate change That the conference that were recently Nigeria I think about some time now there about how the second highest number of delegates And when you send which delegates like that you pay for us. Yeah, you pay for tell accommodation And you're also going to pay them out of station and now So all these things are leaving the economy and the kind of the make the cost of governance there We will hire a very very expensive So if the president is cutting down on the number of Interact your people that go outside for such functions now That would mean that he has had the type of the other material and he's ready to to our main though Because of governance and also the number of people that go for such I think that's a positive one for the government I miss the negative publicity that has been coming from the governance That's good things also I was just asking When we're taking our top trending The numbers also trimmed down of people who will be moving in the entourage of the first lady And the second lady as the case may be the first lady being the wife of the president and the second being the wife of the vice president These offices are not even captured in the constitution. So you're cutting down the number Why not just wipe it off or at least make it official so that we can put it in the Constitution and know that okay Legally, this is what we are doing I was just asking what was the need of keeping an office that is not covered by the Constitution and spending money as if It is an official thing that should be done It is not everything that should be in the Constitution If everything is codified, you're going to have the Constitution as very unwieldy Now will now be seen to look like an anti-cropidia Check for example the American Constitution It's also about I think it's in Beijing so what they are about very transfer sentences Certain things are done by custom certain things are done by tradition certain things are done by president and the president and what I mean I think the office of the possibility and some more to At the federal level and also at the state level it's something that we have borrowed from the American people in terms of In terms of customs or in terms of visitor in terms of practices that is Done in some of these places on that place we can I don't have anything against the office of Firstly, we can work up. So long as they are able to add value To governor and I know some of them are very good program for children for women for widows and war I know all we need to do is to ensure that the cost of running such offices are not Not we Should be Something as important as the first lady shouldn't it be covered by law because okay, we've seen situations creeping into National life where we've seen You see people driving cars or motorcycle or something and the plate number is not carrying a plate number of any local government Or any state is carrying brought up to the Local government chairman we've seen those things we've seen Handles social media handles carrying daughter of the president and so on and so before you know what is happening These things also will be allocated Some some some kind of duties to do so can't I'm not I'm not having a problem with the first lady But I'm having a problem with the fact that it's not covered by law where you have to budget some money For an office that is not covered by law And then we are talking about transferring money to individual accounts. What's the difference? like I said We became very unwieldy to not be able to look like a Cyclopedia and when you become that unwieldy and forcing the law become a little more difficult Is that I would tend to have this whatever we do around the house. It's like the office of first Son and water These are some of the activities that we can in the court without codifying without the making and Those into into law and for example, even you as an individual you can have to customize the place Not now I have seen I think one of the politicians Who has a private card at the place of my course of mind they the federal Service Commission have positions for that. They don't make you pay some money to be able to customize Your place numbers and water Anything that then towards abuse we can find a way to Call cop to use around water but like I said certain things will be done by efficient by awesome by Parties is another we also bought some of these from other other people to walk so long I said it's not a view Yeah, that's the that's the fear the fear of abuse is what because that same fear is what Brought us to the electoral problems that we've been having, you know Because the lost stated some things and left other things for presidents for discretion and all that we got to a point Where the discretion was to the negative at least that's the the thought process of the average Nigerian that it was it was not good enough, okay But my my other fear my other fear maybe is unfounded is the fact that if The number is caught which is a laudable thing and I'm a I applaud the the president for this Shouldn't they define the kind of people that should be on that? entourage going To going around with these people what why I say this as that Sometimes because of the ester codes involved because of the monetary enticement involved because of the Fanfare and every other thing that is involved the people that are the right people to move on this or in this Entourage do not get to go It is the high highly placed people who can fix their names and all that even if they have nothing to do that Get to go I give you an example in cross river state a few years ago all the commissioners and all the local government Chairman went to France including the governor and his deputy. They went to France to study How to use bamboo to do a lot of things bamboo Okay, let's accept that bamboo is a miracle Crop as it is and they use it for a lot of things From you turn cells and all that but why would a local government chairman or a commissioner or a? Governor or deputy governor have to go to France when they are a Greek people their extension officers are there And so many other people that should have gone there to get the expertise come back and make it function in their states They didn't get to go so most cases we see these now when they cut the number Don't you see a situation where people who are not relevant for any mission will be the ones to go and Not the ones that should go because it was not spelled out. That's my fear Of course, you are agree with you that you are right Most times people see these things as an avenue To make money and most of the things that you go out there to study are not quite useful There are also things that they can even go on the internet And then they download videos or such because I think there are no others and then click to look Or they go out Some of those things are so unlike I like you say it is the office at a time ever so what you want to know that would very much shoot the important such a Going outside to do some of these things are not So long ago things become near the new from making money People who always want to admit to the within the rules and that's not doing means of people who are doing a mission in the part of such a Entourage the emphasis We should inculcate in those people as possible for governor's people in government to cause the best for me That is it and let people who are relevant to some of these things You think one that will actually be participated in some of these things if you say you are going to Do a manual as the guys Who could participate in something or the other which is a very useful, but it depends the type is adding those ministries A block of leaders to make a decision or see how the whole mind side or clean this the way it is done They will see do some of this and then we see at this the purpose They will get it at whatever manuals you have written or whatever codifications or notes you have taught So you may ensure that if you put who are relevant and get to a certain some of these workshops with you and conquerors It is for us to Begin to join with an article to continue to finish a decision If we are able to put the power to a manual as the guys are some of these things to talk if you also do a very useful addition To getting the right things at all in the right places But we must continue to remember the many see parameters and order are you really different from one another? The mission of it is different from the nature of education The nature of education is different from the nature of the work and order So to see that and do it man Okay, let's move to the Guardian newspaper and take one headline there The headline says Nigeria's economy to grow at 3.3 percent in 2024 World Bank projects 3.3 percent, I don't know if that is enough or that is good or that is bad. I don't know what I what are your thoughts Nigeria require to push GDP Half up below the 3 percent to send us the world bank or whatever you think it's going to go anything sort of Trouble to send an above and what are you? We know be too useful for for the country and it is possible for us to achieve something that is quite high or higher than that in the sense that If we're able to fix the power infrastructure If we are able to ensure the security in the land and what are the if we're able to cause it to a term And get a degree in governance To do the right thing that the right and all that Nigeria's GDP should be able to grow more than what the world bank is projected In fact, now in full opinion, it would you be looking at nothing less than between 7 to 10 percent If you are going to cut down on running employment, if you are going to get the industry to get back to work if you are going to be able to To do a lot of other things that economy requires to be done or it will be able to grow once again Okay. Well, let's move to another news report by This time nature news Nature news Leads with the story by Elsa governor criticizes government's pipeline protection deal with Tampolo security outfit Now on the one hand, people say it shouldn't have been given to a private security outfit because we have Nigeria police civil defense Peace Corps and the rest of that We also have on the other hand The fact that we are short-staffed as it were when we talk about our security personnel and The fact that some of them even are colluding with the so-called Pirates the so-called vandals the so-called people who are Making us not to have as much oil as we should have in Nigeria So what is your take? Where do you stand? He's saying they shouldn't have given to Tampolo and We are seeing the challenges and the the reality on ground, but what do you think? When I did I was a very technical In Nigeria, we need to a paradox of Affirmation, why do I say this? You ask yourself what equipment of Tampolo has to really be able to pull into the oil sector That the Nigerian army for example But it says they don't have That you know how to give them the contacts of the police The oil industry in Nigeria get up. You also would ask yourself if the package is a project Almost modernity and all that That is going on The answer is no For me the reason that that kind of unusual people could have been given to Tampolo Is the smacked off in discipline And is an indictment on the entire security process of Automation It is also in an indictment at the best time of coming that it would be far that the private individual should be policing the Nigerian or American oil sector All the oil is in other data than the security process that we have all over the country It is difficult to really appreciate some of this So to really understand the reason behind this But what it tells you is that the nation or the Department of Women has no confidence in those security forces They are needed to lead and work Because it has confidence What we should do is to equip those security forces and empower them to be able to do the needs to regard for policing the real industry in the Niger data Say for example a country like Saudi Arabia in the way of some of these cases You wouldn't find the amount of security that we have in our own oil sector in those countries In Saudi Arabia for example I don't know Only if you see security you will find where the oil wells are located And then the piping and water How they simply turn to install sophisticated security gadgets in terms of security cameras satellites and water And then they have controlling where right from the oil wells to where the ship is taking a division of those who the petroleum are not They are able to see in one control in some way There should be no reason why that shouldn't be the case in Nigeria But to see all these things one has to work The Zekubi Amos government the local government the state government there is no talk between all these people and the local community too who thinks that they are not getting the test from the oil that is coming from their lithium We will find one way to help themselves to some quantity of those oil and water It could be seen in the way the process the kind of the process against the way the oil industry is not adding value to those communities where these oil are taking Since time immemorial we've had that of security agencies in the Niger sector to really secure the oil wells and water wells and we are still working in that area just as we have been trading in so many other areas of a national life it is that nobody is committed or there is no serious commitment there is no talkism to really securing the work of the nation I think that we are one most Nigerians are not to talk more Nigerians think that wherever they could lay hands on their own national security whether by filling in, whether by commanding whether by protecting it or not they deserve to go ahead and do because once the resource or once they were in money gets to a breach up it is not going to make any difference in their life they are both a community Ok, we also have this story on the same nature news that Nigerian army destroys 233 illegal refineries apprehends 1,112 suspects Well that's fair to all impetus what I have been saying that all the traditional mining of oil is a very very big industry in the Niger get up why is this a big industry if it is a big industry because people are freed as the only means of enlightenment because if you are also unable to provide employment for the people if you are unable to clean the environment so they are able to farm and also be able to fish and also that they don't use an environment that is produced if they know that when the oil is exposed and taken they are an individual they are a community a benefit from those things the problem would not be risking their life to engage in those traditional mining of oil the solution to some of this problem is to incorporate the whole community into the oil industry make sure that they have value for what is being taken from their soil and make sure that their children or that the young people in those places also get job in some of these places say for example if you are able to provide housing fully reduced housing for people in those areas they are children to school free have good facilities in those places they are free and they are educated and they are able to know that it is the money from the oil that is providing those services to them I am sure there will be more to talk about in the way a man has been letting is the oil that is taking now that is being used in their community Thank you so much Mr. Kola Wole for being a part of our program this morning Thanks for having me We have been talking with Mr. Tunde Kola Wole a legal practitioner here in Lagos state we were reviewing the papers and seeing what the headlines were we couldn't finish all the papers but we hope that you got the point We are going to take a short break when we return we will be looking at the real cost of the ban on foreign universities because of the certificate Saga Stay with us