 All the work's in order. Roll call right away and we'll start out with all the person, hi Devin. Here. All the person, Raimi. Here. All the person, Rust. Here. All the person, Salazar. Here. And all the person, Decker is here. We will start out with the Pledge of Allegiance. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, united as one with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Does anybody, is there any objection to skipping the introduction? I think everybody knows everyone here. Okay, then we'll go right to approval. Minutes from October 25th, 2022. I move to approve. Second. Motion's made in second. If there's any discussion on those minutes. All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Those are approved. All right, item number six, resolution 8722 on the previous meeting of October 7th, 2022. Resolution authorizing the appropriate city proposal to enter into item number one for the contract with both infrastructure and environment LLC for design services related to the South Side Sewer Facility Plan. Director. I'm going to defer this to city engineers, Ryan Snasma, just to talk about, this is again our Sanctuary Interceptor that's running along this lake shore. Do you recall the map up on the wall by Goldstone? Yep. Oh, our plant here all the way along the lake shore. We're going to have to redo and protect all the way to approximate this location at Kentucky Avenue, off station. So the sewage comes to here, comes down and goes all the way to the plant. So we've been engineering this project for the last two years, getting close to actually going out for construction. But with that, we have to do an amended, this is the wrong project. Sorry, no, but it's all tied in together. Yeah, it's all tied in. We've been doing this going back and forth. We have the South Side, we have the South Shoreline Interceptor Project and then we have the South Side Interceptor Project. I apologize. So we have, you recall, Ryan and I, we've been with the industrial park and the expansion of the South and looking at this, we're a subdivision along with the pole farm and now the Garment Farm, long range future planning to how to serve this with sanitary sewer. Right now, this is all new area. So part of it is, is eventually, once this all gets developed, we're going to have to get sewage from this area. Right now, it's all going down Weeding Creek Road and then up Coney E.E. and along here, Lake Shore. There's a lift station here in the town of Wilson that then pumps it from that point to the treatment plan. The sanitary sewer in Weeding Creek is going to be too small in the future. And it's fine today and it's probably fine for the next five to 10, 15 years, all depending upon how fast development grows. The problem is, is the county's coming in and going to redo Weeding Creek in 2025. 2025. All the way from self-business to self-12 project. I think we all agree. We can't wait. Sure. Part of the study was, okay, let's look at options. Let's look at alternatives versus going right down Weeding Creek. It's very deep and it's very expensive and timing-wise, rush this through and get this in. So we looked at alternatives and one of the alternatives is this sewage from this area we can go up self-business drive and then through the Alliant Energy Power Line Corridor through here in the new sanitary sewer. The advantage of this is it's all of gravity. We don't have to go through their pump station anymore. We can bypass it and go gravity all the way to the plant. This is future planning. So in order to do this, we have to work with the designers doing this. The other thing is is when the Gartman Farm that we are all familiar with, I believe you're all part of the annexation and purchase of this, this will be served with a new line serving this whole subdivision. It can cross under Weeding Creek and then go up 18th Street into this new line that we also then feed. So in other words, it helps for a couple of reasons. This new alternative ultimately bypasses the town's lift station because right now we are sending Jordan help me out with this over 65% of the sewage's city through their lift station and it would only increase. And we're paying them every year annually costs to send our sewage through their lift station so it can get pumped to the treatment plant. So just a real background on that. Ryan, maybe you can explain the need for the change order of the design what we're working on within the stage. You mean with the IFC right here? Yes. Like I said, the big driver of this is the county's redoing Weeding Creek Road in 2025. We know in the future, like David mentioned, five, 10 years, 15 years from now, we know that sewer is gonna be too small. So now's the time to look at possibly getting a sewer out of there in the next couple of years or finding a different route. So we looked at three or four different routes and the path of economically, financially and the path of least resistance is the goal to that utility corridor, but obviously it's all green space. So this IFC or this resolution gives us the funding to get the wetlands all marked because you just can't go through it or don't get the wetlands looked at. We know we have some wetlands here and how do we get around it or what do we do to permit to go underneath it? And that's what this addendum would allow us to do. It maps these, it really identifies the best route for a sewer to come through here. And then ultimately it gives us the next stage of direction. How do we permit? How do we get it done? Well, we need to find a world's wetlands are and do that. And what's nice going through that area is I don't think you have to do a whole lot of digging. You can do a lot of directional boring, but you still get on the world's wetlands are because you're gonna have some holes in there, some place. So that's what this is for. So with the three or four different designs and this is definitely one to go. Like I said, it's a best financially and it's at least resistant to that deal with roads and all this kind of stuff and other utilities. So this is basically to get us so that we know that we can do this. Not that all of a sudden we have this idea that this is how we're gonna do it. And then all of a sudden they've got the new road in and all of a sudden you find out, oh, we can't do this. Thanks, right. So we wanna be able to make sure that we can do that. This is the plan of it. That's why we wanna be ahead of the game, right? To be, to make sure that this is the, so the future when we wanna do it, we can do it, right? Okay. That's a great point. Our last choice is re-upgrading the sewer and weed and creek road. But if you have to, for various reasons, what would you have to? Yeah, but you wanna know that now, so that we have to, right? We're gonna have to. Go ahead, Jeremy. So then that study will all be done before weed and creek road gets tore up. Yeah, really done. My other thing, what's the possibility of the DNR or somebody else stepping and saying, you're gonna put a sewer over there? You can't do that. And actually, we're going through that right now. We're meeting actually, because this is such a large study area. This is considered part with the DNR is called a facility plan. So we're meeting with the town of Wilson because it also impacts there. The sewer systems are combined in the sense that we all are sharing the treatment plan. So we all, the collection, the pipes, it's all connected one another. So they're gonna be a partner in this as well. Ultimately, the DNR, we have to go through a hearing with the DNR and they have to bless this. They have to say, we agree with this plan. This makes the best economical sense moving forward for the long term. If they come back, they might tell us, this doesn't make sense. The engineers we're working with are confident that they've done all the right analysis. They do cost benefit of looking out alternatives, which the DNR will also look at. Based on this, this is the preferred alternative. So that's what we're going through. So, but there's what $21,000 in this? To do this, yeah. So are we gonna know from the DNR whether or not they're gonna get their blessing before we spend any of that $21,000? No, this $21,000 will be needed to do this phase of the submittal. To the DNR. Correct. Okay. Before you can really submit this to the DNR, they're gonna want to know where those wetlands are there. I know our consultant has had preliminary talks about a couple of different designs we're looking at. And the DNR is somewhat on board going to go in this realm. They realize it's the best way to go. Still going to know what kind of agitation is through there. If we have the ability to bypass a lift station, that's a positive. Because then you're not worried about mechanical, electrical, any types of potential failures because it's just gravity-fed. And I appreciate that. I'm just concerned about that green space being a habitat. And how does it affect it ecologically? How does it kind of? So there'll be some disruption? No, ecologically. Like how does it affect the animals and the habitat? There'll be some disruption during construction. But once it's done, it's just gonna be reverted back to the natural. And the DNR is thinking back. That lines as well, right? That's part of the review as well. It's cool. And there is some disruption in that area anyways because there are the power lines there. And then you have to work on those towers. They have to do all that stuff. And also I'm just guessing that this has to, just studies and how to work around those towers, not that you dig underneath one and all. So some of these is in place the correct way. And digging to be minimal. Like I said, they would bore that thing underneath the ground 10 or 15 feet. The technology's got so much better in the last 20, 25 years. Can I ask that? How long does this study hold, or the results hold true? If we don't need to do this for 15 years? You know what I mean? What I'm getting at? It would be considered a long range plan. So I mean, it will be good for five to 10 years, but then every five, 10 years, you review it and update it if things are changing. So then you just submit an update. It's not like you have to go through a whole new submittal design process again. If you would have to do that, you had 90% of the work done already. So you're not starting ground zero again. Okay. Any questions? In some of the motion. I need to accept the resolution. Second? Motion is made in second. Any other discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Chair votes aye. That goes forward. Number seven, general ordinance number 12223, the remarks set at 2022. Ordinance repealing general ordinance number 4222122. So as to remove the two-way street designation for South 24th Street, Indian Avenue and Georgia Avenue, between Indian Avenue and Georgia Avenue, adding a parking on the west side of South 24th Street between Indian Avenue and Georgia Avenue. I am very familiar with this. This is Indian Avenue right here. This is South 24th Street right here. This is Georgia Avenue. Back in April, we switched South 24th Street from a one-way street to a two-way street temporarily. And the reason we did that, which because Indiana this last spring, summer, summer slash fall was reconstructed from Taylor up to 24th Street. With all the construction going on, this was a one-way street going southbound. And then the property owner would have a heck of a time gate in their house. So we temporarily then moved it from one-way to a two-way so then they could access 24th Street off of Georgia. That's why we just switched it temporarily from one to a two. Well, all that construction is gone. So we want to go back to a one-way street. Because in order to go to temporary two-way, we had to take parking off of one side. Parking up in that neighborhood is a premium, just is. And I haven't been getting calls. What is that getting switched back? What is that getting switched back? He says, well, your accuracy has to roll. We have to go through. So I'm hoping for support for this. It was something we talked about before we did it. Yes. So I wonder if they've been living with the two-way street? Since April. And the construction had that a couple weeks ago. They haven't really used to it. But they're going to want it back. They want the parking. It's OK. You can get away with one-side parking during the summer, but come winter, it's a lot more. It's a lot more if they need it. I move to accept the ordinance. I'll second. Maiden seconded. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? So what's aye. That is approved. OK. Number eight, general ordinance number 132223, November 7th, 2022, in ordinance amending sections 122-403, 122-404, 122-405 of the municipal code related to sewers and sewage disposal as to make changes to service charges. I'll be Jordan, and the background is with the budget being approved. OK. This now establishes the wastewater rates for 2023. So that's the ordinance. It usually always lakes the budget, but Jordan can explain the process and how it's calculated. So with this being my first year here, I've been very impressed with the rate tool that my predecessors used to figure this out each year. It's very complicated. So there are a lot of moving parts to it. Basically, we look at what has come to the sewer plant this past year, both the volume of wastewater as well as the loading, things like phosphorus and the carbon that's in the water. So it's things like that. And then try to make sure that what we're charging for next year is adequate to handle our anticipated expenses for next year. So we look at what came in this past year. We look at our projected budget for next year. And then we look at what our rates were for this past year and make sure that if those need to be adjusted, that we do that. The good news is that basically the bottom line for this coming year is that we were pretty close to being right where we needed to be. You would see that we increased our fixed rate $4 a quarter. So for your average home or for any customer, really it's $16 a year. So of their volume of their wastewater is consistent next year as it was this year, their charge will be only $16 for the year more. So we kept the volume charged the same. It does get into a lot more details with some of our online communities or some of our big industries that send wastewater to us that has really high loadings with phosphorus or things. For the most part, those numbers came down. They're paying less for phosphorus. They're paying less for carbon. They're paying a little bit more for solids. And so most of our customers, I think on the bigger users, will actually see their prices go down a little bit. So there might be some changes that Caitlin and I look to do next year with this whole process, especially as I try to understand it a little bit better. But for the most part, I think it's really robust, really robust way to make sure our rates are adequate and our impact to our average users is really pretty better. So certainly recommend approval if you're comfortable with that. And then I will go back to the council next week and be official for next year. Thank you, Jordan. Questions? What was the last? Did you have a question? What's the last time the rate was changed? It's done annually. So every year it goes up for $1 a year? No, it's different from year to year. For example, last year, the fixed charge, which is what I'm changing and proposing to change this year. Last year, that stayed the same, but like the carbon charge went up quite a bit. And so we were just talking about the town of Wilson and their lift station and things like that. They saw their bill from us go up quite a bit because they had high carbon in their wastewater. So we've shared some of these preliminary numbers with some of those customers like that. And they've been, I think, pretty happy with what they've seen because that's actually gone down a little bit. So it just varies each year. For example, this year we had a pretty dry year. And so our volume charge didn't have to go up. Other years, it does because maybe we had a wetter year. So there was more expense to us as the plant. And we have to reflect that. So for 2023, it goes up $4? Correct. Okay, $16 a year, I understand it. So in 2024? We'll come back to you a year from now with how did 2023 play out and what do we recommend? It can't be a situation where we raise it for $4 this year that the following year, we're not gonna have to raise it another $4. But we're not. It just varies from year to year. So my recommendation will always be to have this past year reflect what we recommend for next year, just to have adequate revenues without overburdening our customers. Exactly, well, what I say is there a way that are we gonna be getting any additional money by raising it to $4, that we won't have to raise it as high in 2024? It's certainly possible. And it never goes backwards. Well, it has. It has. I mean, included in here is debt repayment. So sometimes then all sudden, that principal and interest from a past project is paid off. Then that's not reflected in the rate. And then you'll see then, you don't have to make up that revenue for that portion. So there has been, there are fluctuations where it's for the most part, the model is to be smooth. Very steady, if there's increases, they're manageable kind of cost of inflation and so forth. But that's part of the equation too. And that's where the fixed costs and volume charges, they fluctuate. Sometimes they're up and sometimes they're down, depending upon the flows and where the money is being used. Do you ever have anybody argue with you with the amount of carbon or whatever that they have and say, hey, we're not sending that much. And they don't want to pay that? For the most part, no, because they do their own sampling or they're involved with that. So we're basing our bills to them on the results they're providing to us. So if they're not, I mean, they may wonder, why did my amount of carbon go up this year? But our bill to them is based on the results they're providing to us. So does, like kind of also like, I know we monitor, like you guys do monitors to certain factories and things like that. So do they monitor, there's also, do they go around and monitor, or do they just look at what they have? Mostly at that lift station that we talked about earlier, they will sample that and then they provide those results to us and their bill is based on that. Okay, but they don't go up by the, who's giving them the more carbon or whatever. Not that I know of. I'm not aware of them being significant industries. Yeah, for the most part, they're like, what we call that. They're actually communities. They don't have a lot of industry. The only one would be Aldrich. Aldrich is their own discharge and lift station, it comes right, right. So they have to do their own sampling. All of it, so there's a separate thing for that. Oh, okay, okay. By far our main bill to Wilson goes to that lift station that David was pointing out earlier, but there's a separate district with Aldrich. That gets a separate bill entirely. And correct me if I'm wrong, that the charges from the townships are also based on a three year average. So when you talk about like their BOD or TSS and all those other things that are calculated, it's like on a three year moving average. So if they have one spike, one sampling period during a year, it's not like it jumps up their rates. It's all averaged in with their overall flow, so over time. It's often. And I think they feel like this is a pretty fair approach because it's based on what they're actually setting us. So again, if they made improvements so they had fewer solids in their water, then they would see their rate go down accordingly. So it's a very, I think it's a very fair way to bill our customers. What about should break in falls? What about the other lines that are coming in? It's a similar process. I haven't looked at their specific numbers, but I would assume that it's gonna be a similar result for them as Wilson. They're all under work. Those are contracted communities that we accept their ways from. And it's all based on the same principle of how it's volume of flow as well as the strength of their waste. So it's the same for every community. Then when they do their testing, they send us the results and based on what they're sending us, that's how their rates calculate. So it's been in place, I mean, since 1975. I remember when we closed our system down in spring calls. Okay. And looked up, what about the town of Sheboygan? Are they ever happy? Or not? I haven't heard complaints from the town of Sheboygan. So as far as I know, the biggest thing that they would like is clarity, to know what these rates are coming up so they can budget appropriately for them. So I'm sure they're very, very happy. Yeah, that's good. Any other questions? I'll make motion to approve. Okay, a second. Wilson made a second. Any other discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Chair votes aye. That was approved. Number nine, resolution 86-2223, November 7th, 2022, resolution authorizing the purchasing agent to purchase order for the emergency purchase replacement of a bucket truck for the motor vehicle division, the Department of Public Works, and authorizing the necessary budget adjustments to provide funding for the purchase. Is that Rick or Dave? I think Rick and I can, I'll start off with a little background. We have an older bucket truck that was in fleet and it was due for an inspection. These have to be inspected per the company and certification to be able to use it safely. When it went in, during due to its age and its state of condition with corrosion, it didn't pass. So I think this was how old was this vehicle? It's a 2007. After 15, this was its 15th year. So after 15 years, they have to do an integrity test. This was its first integrity test in the field. Okay. So. You'll be okay. You'll be okay. So the dilemma is, we knew these were coming up for replacement in the program. This one just all of a sudden, fleet fraud and became, it's in need. We were going to go in and put it in the budget and adjust and do it next year. The dilemma is, is we waited, we would not get one till first quarter of 25. 25. So the company has a demo right now that where we purchased the last one, Utility Sales and Service, it was pre-ordered. Yes, it was pre-ordered for them to use as a demo that'll be on the ground in May. And if we were able to commit to it now, they'll hold it for us. Do you have another bucket truck? We have another one, yes. Okay. We need to. Okay, right. As we know, as last June testifies, we need to have two bucket trucks. So we already took the liberty to put a letter of commitment pending this meeting in Common Council Monday. So the company is holding it with the expectation that we're going to buy it. We've worked with Caitlyn, administration, we have the money, some budget, this will be a budget adjustment, but then we're able to send the purchase order and then by May we'll have it. Of course, you thought that first. Yeah. I'm assuming it's, what we're paying now is what we pay even if we waited for the 2025 one, right? Or we pay more? Well, the price in 25 would increase. Right. How much I couldn't answer that. Yeah. It would be increased. Okay. We can do it. You need a chance. You have one. It's probably one. Okay, within our system, we could have pinpointed this last year that this truck might be going down, or is there any other thing that, do we have any other seatbelts as far as any other vehicles and how we check and maintain our equipment that says, you know what, this is going to rust out tomorrow. Yeah. Well, I'll defer to Rick a little bit about that. He might have a better understanding of, it's not, it's not. Yeah. It's a, being that this was the first year it was actually tested, it's a new state law. This is the first year it's been in effect. So we weren't anticipating this to come about, to be honest with you. Once they started digging into it, and when they do this, the state testing, it's pretty severe. Once they started digging into it, they had covered more severe rust than we were anticipating by looking at it just manually. So nobody had been looking at the truck as it gets worse and worse. A point I'm trying to make is, I don't want to have to send out anybody with equipment that's going to fail the next week. And I would think that there is some type of a system by which we're checking our equipment to making sure that we don't have to wait till the state mandates something that we have to replace it. We do look at, we do do our preventive maintenance inspections twice a year on these. And also they do an annual inspection that doesn't include the chassis. It's more of the aerial lift mechanisms that they tested every year. We do look at the trucks, it's just that it wasn't looked at with a pick or they would actually pick into the frame and look for soft spots and things like that. We actually anticipate, we had another bucket truck. We have a bucket truck that's older. That's older that we really, it's on our plan to replace, that we were anticipating, I don't know, I think just one past. So we're like, Part of the reason for that we believe is that the truck that passed, which is older, stays inside in winter mostly. And this electrical bucket truck goes out in all weather and it comes in salty and then is washed right away with us and corrodes. Yeah, I mean, I worry about us waiting to get it until May considering what- It's out of service now. No, I'm saying the new one, waiting to not get the new one until May considering the winter that we might have, right? So we'll just have to count that that old one sticks it through. It's a concern. Can you get some income for the old one? No, yes, we are planning on selling because a lift part that is inspected annually isn't actually in pretty good shape. So we're looking to sell it through Wisconsin surplus, advertising it as a need to be a new chassis or a new frame, or just somebody who just leaves our lift parts. The value isn't huge. We're estimating around 15,000, which isn't a big help compared to the price of the truck. Yeah, the questions. Do I have a motion? I move to accept. I'll second. Motion to be seconded. Do you have a session? All in favor? Aye. You're opposed? There goes I. That is approved. All right, next meeting date is November 29th, 122. It's supposed to be for motion to adjourn. I move to adjourn. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. You're opposed? You're adjourned. Thank you very much. Okay.