 All right, and we are live gentlemen my brothers from another mother welcome to episode number 21 of the red man group Today's topic is on affluence versus looks versus game Your panelists today include Carl Donovan Donovan sharp. That's Carl of black label logic We've got Anthony joining us as well. Welcome the dream. What up fam? The dream has arrived The dream has arrived. We are simulcasting this broadcast by the way on my channel and 21 studios Simultaneously, I believe Anthony's also got it coming out on Facebook and Twitter We're still waiting for Rolo to join us. He has a message I would imagine something's going on that's holding him up because he usually shows up on time and perhaps AJ Cortez So today's topic is money versus looks versus game guys. We always start these broadcasts with what is going on in our world Donovan, why don't we start with you brother? Yeah, man. Um, things are things are going really well over at my website I mean the website traffic is up. I just set the 485 patron mark and hopefully by the end of this month I'll be it. I'll be at 500 patrons My my consultation business is going great. I'm consulting people left and right It's not something I really wanted to do but guys are reaching out to me I am serving my third my third day of a three-day Facebook jail stint for making fun of a fat girl So that's that's par for the course for me. But yeah, yeah, it's been it's been a great week here at the towers, man Awesome Carl. What's happening with your brother? Well, I've been working on an essay to go with this podcast on looks money in game and I also did a social experiment that started off as kind of a drunken shit post and then I kind of have to figure out. Okay. What would happen here? So what happened is I tweeted out the other night I tweeted out that your grandfather got a wife and you have to cook care for a family It was plus and polite and had a notch count of zero to three You get a wife who can't cook has no nurturing skills is narcissistic and title it as a notch count of 10 to 200 more straight I tweeted that out And that one kind of took off and it just didn't take off a little bit It just it blew up and had something like 600 retweets and 200 000 impressions So the next day, I mean just need to find the other uh tweet here for a second He dropped off my screen. Well a couple of days later after seeing the reaction to the first tweet I figured what the hell I'll do some ab testing And I'll throw out another tweet that's identical to the first one And I'll just see. Okay. What happens with this one? So, uh, let's see here. So that one said your grandma got a husband who fought a war in his teens was strong masculine It knew how to protect the family You get a husband who played call of duty struggled with lifting his soy box Where's a pussy hat and since you downstairs when he hears a noise in the night Wow Yo, that's what's up, man Yeah, no that one got like 877 likes It got a couple 100 retweets and did 83 000 impressions So but the funny thing was the different victory all levels because the first one I was getting like three four five hundred responses in there of just Basically peer abuse plus riot and a couple other guys trying to argue the points In the middle of that the twitter friend on the second one where I went after men The only real victory all I got was from some guy was really into call of duty Who wanted to know what I was talking shit on call the duty Don't talk shit on call of duty dude lifestyle Yeah builds your anti coordination I saw that I saw that It does but I don't know that that's a reasonable argument. I mean come on if you're playing at 12 hours a day Give me a fucking break It just goes into the same thing I had with uh, I think I had with the guys sort of like anti porn It's just porn isn't inherently bad, but if you're watching porn 12 hours a day, you have a fucking problem Yeah, that was my argument You know, I did a video a while ago on my channel because somebody asked me to talk about porn It's like look, you know, if you're waking up in the morning with calluses on your hand Because you're rubbing it out seven times a day and it's all you do you have a problem, right? Like you have an addiction issue. It's not it's not porn. It's you right Yeah, the same thing with call of duty if you're waking up and you your thumb If you have arthritis in your thumb from hitting the x-button and spawn camping 12 year olds with your in your mid 40s Then then we may have to sit you down and have an intervention exactly Anthony, what's happening with you brother? Thanks for joining us Yeah, man. Thanks for coming on and thanks for having me on and you know, I love this rescreenment. It's pretty awesome So last weekend I launched a female psychopath.com. That's going well. It's gonna shit ton of hits People are really interested in crazy bitches Uh had a fresh red head walk out this morning from last night. That was nice And also yesterday I picked sign and paid for the venue this year for the convention I've been traveling around for a couple months, obviously And finally pulled trigger and put a baby in it. So nice and no guys It's not going to be at the Epcot center for those of you guys who are On town though, so we're staying downtown bigger bigger venue It holds about double the space of where you guys run last year. So about 200 250 seats Yeah, 250 if we had a no camera here But the way we had it set 200 with our cameras and all the computers and stuff And where are we with ticket sales? Are we almost sold out? Are we close to it or close? We're down to 41 I think Okay, so not that many tickets left guys if you're interested in joining us again. It's in october There's a they'll there'll be a link in the description of the video Once it's done rendering and I update everybody's social links there As far as what's going on with me. I've finally this is my first public announcement I've finally finished entrepreneurs and cars calm. It's been a project We've been working on for about a month and a half two months I got this guy that reached out to me that was The speaker at a ted talk event and he wanted to work on the website for me and help build out the private community So we'll slowly be moving away from platforms like facebook private pages and patreon I know I've had a few guys that have been part of the community that don't want to support things like patreon or facebook Because of the zuckerbergs of the world or things that have happened with patreon So we'll be allowing people to move into a more private community. There's a forum. There's private videos that I'll be uploading there That don't get published to youtube as part of that community. It's 10 bucks a month You get access to all that stuff So I'll be doing it a full proper launch in the future with a dedicated video But if you guys want to check it out, you can have a look it's live now It's just entrepreneurs and cars.com. So today's topic game versus looks versus Affluence gentlemen, if you could pick one That you could own a 10 out of 10, which one would you pick? Let's start with that question Yeah, game because with game you can acquire looks and you can acquire money Carl I kind of agree with donovan, but I I kind of want to go with money because with money you can acquire both looks and games Okay I Decide with donovan on this unless you include health with looks So if you include physical health and mental health with looks I still like that kind of component I would drift in that direction otherwise game I think I'd probably go with money to be honest with you because I've seen ugly short fat bald men Do really well with women if they've got more money than god Um, so at some point, you know looks and game Won't matter if you have enough money to shine for it. You guys have probably seen the hot crazy matrix, right? Oh, yeah, yeah Yeah, and then there's the other one where it's the cute affluence matrix I think that they did for men kind of like the flip version of it. It's like at some point Um, you know, if you have sufficient funds your looks no longer matter sort of thing Um, but they're all really important. So, um, I know that you had a couple of Ideas that you wanted to talk on on this one curl. Where do you want to start with it? You think? Well, just to do the corollary here. I made a note for myself if you're 450 pounds and you have no game Then you better have bill gates money Makes sense, right or you worried you might look like bill gates actually It goes into something I was had on my notes here, which I call the female hurdle rates Or the you have to be this high in smv for me to ride you a sign Because every girl has this kind of internal thing and this is where it looks money and gameplay into It's to get you up to a certain point where You're high enough in smd that you're an acceptable mate before that women's choices are binary. Yes or no Then once you pass the hurdle rate you get into that yes territory And at that point you have to add more value It's kind of like if you think about the march madness bracket in order to get into march madness you have to qualify to play in the tournament And if you don't have looks money or game up to a certain level then you're not playing in the tournament But once you get into the tournament then all everyone in the tournament that that's facing you all have looks money games So at that point it moves beyond being just that And I think if you think about it like a Table I wanted to do a presentation for this but even think about it like a table where you have looks money in game And they all have a numbers value So let's say you're a two and looks you're a three in game and you're uh for an affluence. You're a seven But each girl will wait certain things a little bit differently So ronaldow back in his rock star 20s. He was broke as hell But he had the look he had some social proof and he had some game So that might put him up to a point where he passes the hurdle rate plus he's a musician He has all that social proof He fits the certain look that these girls are after so he goes up in sexual market value and gets his pick among A higher quality of women because of the other things on top of the looks money game Yeah, there's a lot of correlation there's certainly there's a lot of correlation I think at the end of the day you want to I mean if you're going to aspire to become the best man that you can be Um, you want to have access to wealth. I mean you want to have your money, right? Uh, you don't want to be getting credit card statements and say you're going to be paying off your Shit for the next 70 years of your life while you're making minimum monthly payments that you own nothing I mean women can sniff pass that women always date up. We know that you know, they don't like to date Across and down they prefer to go up Looks matter of course. I mean I'm 45. I mean I'm attentive to this shit like I'm an old-ass man as far as I'm concerned But I'm still pushing through so you work on your body you work on your uh, you know wealth or your wealth creation And of course you got to understand like you've got a charm, right? I mean you got to be able to charm women women like a charming man They like a guy that's got some game and some people get really offended when you say, you know You got a game, you know your girlfriend you got a game your wife and they lose your shit Like you know you're playing some kind of game like you're a pua or something like that But that's but that's where the the pickup artist community kind of you know shines and get it like they like a guy like What's the ginger's name? Tyler or owing From rsd. Yeah, I mean he's not a good-looking guy. I think he would say the same thing It's not like I'm saying anything disparaging here, but he's so good and he's so charming He can do really well. It looks like a he looks like a circumcised penis Yeah, so rich doesn't it mention that we're saying that looks matter and we all agree on that and the red pill It's you know the consensus But in the pickup community that's not always a case that hasn't always been the case and even today That's still not a huge thing and rsd. He's actually big on that They have this fact by a luke. I think that goes on games woman And he was pretty well, and I'm sure he has good game I'm sure he has to have good game because he's so far lacking in the looks department Uh, but at the end of the day, I think they the purple pill guys would like to promote the idea of looks don't matter And that's been the case since I was around when I started in 2005 2006 Looks don't matter looks don't matter looks don't matter because these guys are some boot camps Including no one So I don't know exactly what their mantra is today on it, but for a long time That was like a huge debate in this big fucking issue like do looks matter And they do Yeah, and if you see some of the videos that they publish, um on real social dynamics And and stuff like that they'll take You know fives and sixes as far as these guys are concerned and they'll take them out They'll put them in a hostile environment that they're not comfortable with and teach them how to Regurgitate lines that that that work But I mean the problem is if you don't have ongoing game and you don't have sufficient looks you're not going to do Well, and there's also the notion of you know, we've got alpha fucks and beta bucks right the alpha seed and beta need I mean, um, you could have no game whatsoever No money whatsoever, but be a total stud like a 17 out of 10 on the on the hot dude scale And still, you know close women. It's just you're not going to do much on a longer term basis You're going to be the guy in the bar that's um, you know, it's going to do well that night when she's out You know at the peak or ovulation cycle and she's had a fight with her boyfriend And you're the guy at the right place at the right time with the right looks and she goes for it sort of thing But you'll never hear from her again, right? Yeah Uh No, I was just looking through it because I was thinking about this who are the like top three guys. I know were great players and most of them aren't really that Amazing in any respect like the guy who's tallest of them is like five nine None of them are like 10 body fat 225 guys millionaires, etc. But they have like a combination of They get above that hurdle rate So women will view them as sexual partners and then they have something on top of that Like one guy is really into style and has this flamboyant Bohemian kind of dandy type style that a lot of girls go for Another guy is a musician and I think those things Add value to it. So it's not that looks don't matter, but they're not everything It's not that money doesn't matter, but it's not everything and it's not that the game is everything but Having all three components. So you get up to a certain smv level and you can handle the environment is very important because No girl is going to well donovan did a weight loss thing and I did a weight loss thing And one of the things you notice is things like girls will go up and actually start key knowing you if you're In that range But if you're outside that range, you have to actually work a lot harder So I think the work rate is roughly equal, but let's say you're fat as fuck Then you're going to have to work harder with your game or with your money if you're In shape And you're broke. Well, no one is going to ask you for a bank statement on the first date and if she does That's a red flag. What do you guys think about? Style as far as that mattering in the looks department like There's guys that we know like Tanner Guzzi's a guy that's going to be at the 21 convention He's kind of like a masculine style guy I mean, how much does style pay play for you guys when you're operating on the sexual marketplace and kind of You know dealing with women and dating or whatever like do you do you find it matters that much or or can you override Like basic bitch style with you know charm looks and money sort of thing I'll actually I'll actually go first on this. Um, I've never been much. I mean, I know how to dress myself. I'm not I'm not an idiot But when I changed my body I found that the I guess the the the better a shape you're in the less The less your style matters This isn't to say that you can go out looking like a vagabond and go out pick up chicks But by the same token if if you're if you have that tapered the shape if you're you know if you're a muscular guy You know if you're in good shape I think that style I think style matters less and I think as far as looks versus money versus game My assertion is that a man who is an ape and I've said this before but a man who's an a plus at one thing Is gonna fuck hotter women than a man who's the b-minus at everything. So is it looks money or status? I mean listen Or it looks money or game I would take the game But if somebody is in the top five percent of looks well, then they don't really have to have much game If somebody if somebody is a billionaire they definitely don't have to have any game So as long as you excel In one of those three areas as long as you as long as you're in the top five or even top one percent It's just like you know guys always ask the size matters as far as your dick size Well, if you're in the if if you are out if you're in the top or the bottom one percent If you have a bottom one percent size dick or if you have a top one percent size dick Yeah, it definitely matters, but as long as you follow then that 98 percentile then you should be good Let's let's just pause for a minute to welcome AJ Cortes the uh, the personal training ballet dancing, uh, Jesus He's uh, he's definitely gonna shed some light on you know the notion of this program today AJ we usually start off with what's going on in our world. So, uh, you know, you chime them a little bit late But give us an update. What's happening with you? That's okay. Um, yeah right now Uh, let's see what is going on. I've got finally got my book finalized coming out in about eight weeks Um, got some presentations seminars planned obviously 21 convention in the fall. I have another one. I'm doing with tanner uh, guzine at latmore I'm coming up. It looks like we're gonna aim for that probably in august um august or september and then you know right now. I've just been traveling around changing the business a little bit Looking to maybe starting a digital media company some friends, but uh You know, I've got a lot of irons in the fire Life's good Cool. And if you had to pick one that you could completely own uh looks affluence or a game Which one would you pick? Definitely looks uh, I mean, I see that being biased and I'll I'm gonna slap my own ass right now, but I would put myself in that top 1% with looks and uh it is It is undeniable the effect it has just upon women upon other men I just did the presence in general and it's one of those factors where You could arguably have a subpar personality or have the most This absolute basic modicum of this being able to Converse normally, but if you're hyper attractive People will always lay out options before you women always want to spread their legs Uh, you just it doesn't take it makes everything easier. It doesn't it makes everything easier and it Definitely is you know, it can be compensation for lacking a lot of other areas 100% Yeah, uh, shout out to faith ale for the super chat. Thank you for that. That's much appreciated We're gonna be putting out the number to take inbound calls Maybe in about half an hour about half or halfway through the first hour right now So uh, keep an eye out in the chat for donovan's number one. He places it out there Sorry donovan, did you want to chime in? Yeah, I was gonna say You know looks versus money versus game. There are a lot of broke guys out there who get laid, right? And if they're broke, they have to have looks they either have to have looks on their side Or they have to have game on their side or they have to have both You can't be a fat dude with no game who's broke and get pussy on the regular It just doesn't work that way and men also have to understand is just because you have all three Let's just say you're a Leonardo DiCaprio, right now a guy like him He's probably successful in every sexual endeavor. He's he's ever, you know embarked on But even if if if you're a man of affluence and you look good and you have game That doesn't necessarily guarantee you pussy every time any man who has slept with beautiful women on the regular They understand that luck Just like you said, Richard, you got to be in the right place at the right time sometimes I mean luck has just as much to do with it as your looks money and game are concerned So I think I think that people have to understand that yes, it's good to have all of those elements in place But sometimes girls just ain't trying to fuck. That's just all there is to it That's a good point Dolphin that comes up sometimes I think that question guys ask me like if you're if your game is I don't know add it to peek so to speak and you've got all three areas You have the whole trifecta does that mean you can sleep with any woman that you want No, like you just said any guy it's been with a lot of women You can go out you can talk to women they're women that they have no interest in you Or you're not the look that they like Yeah, wherever the case may be, you're super attractive Um, yeah, I've gone out with a mixed group of guys You know, there's why there's white girls love black guys That's fucking easy. There's women that won't want to sleep with black men I've I've gone to parties where it's a bunch of asian women and they don't like my look at all But the guy that's blonde hair blue eyes. They all swoop towards him Um, you know, so I mean the idea that you can have sort of this bulletproof Uh, I almost now say like the idea that you can have sort of this kryptonite Um, thank you where you just get everyone you could possibly want. Yeah, nobody bad No, it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist period and that's a really good point You know, the manager talks about having a look, right? Um, there's a lot of guys that kind of flander around and they don't really have a Not necessarily a style but a look. I mean my looks obvious is as daylight to you shaved head beer Dude takes care of his body. That's fucking it done, right? I don't I don't spend a lot of time with style and my wardrobe It's like I'll just go out like this and I'll do fine It's not a problem because of just the way that I've structured, but At what point did you guys figure out, you know, like the look? Did you guys at least understand when you had a look? Did you design a look? Like how did that work for you guys? I'll have been on this I think I was like rollo and that for years and the pickup did my old pickup days And even the current ones but then I found tanner I used to get away with having no look and dressing like complete shit. I was like, you know, I was like Looks matter but uh style doesn't matter fuck all that bullshit fashion doesn't matter clothes don't matter And I got laid and I banged hot chicks. I'll bang them on my floor one time You know one point college didn't even bed. I sold it to go on a cruise and bang more women Seriously So I used to get away with it and that and the fact that I kept getting away with it because those alpha cues That put out it made me believe that no clothes really didn't matter But finding tanner guzzies work is what totally flipped the script on that for me Of course. Yeah. So yeah, like it's not going to do worse for you. It's definitely not going to make your game worse For sure. Yeah, so I was able to get away with it But I realized as I'm shooting myself from the foot. I was like stupid I listen to tanner But take his advice and others and other style people like him and actually like Invest in the way I look and think about it and be thoughtful about it And figure out what like works for me then it's going to help and it has helped I've had girls in first dates now Comment on the way I dressed like immediately Which used to never happen because I dressed like complete shit, you know, it's whatever I'd randomly buy or find So I'm a tanner a bit a lot better What about the look of the beard like we've got three men on the panel right now donovan myself and anthony I mean, how did the beard change things for you guys? Oh, dude completely Yeah, I mean and the interesting thing is is I couldn't grow a full beard until I was 32 33 And yeah, it was it was the weird and when it came in it just it just came in It was like no shave november. I was like, all right. Well, I'll try it out and you know Two three months later. I've got this full beard and I haven't I haven't shaved it off since yeah I get far more I get far more attention and respect from both men and women because of the beard a lot of people say that That might be superficial. I can assure you that it is not The uh having a beard having a full beard that is the ultimate sign of masculinity Um and people want to poo poo it and this and that and the other no I'm telling you the truth man. I've lived both lives I lived 30 years without a beard and I've lived the last decade with a beard. There is a difference. What about you anthony? 100% donovan, uh, all beard all the time For a few months the 2016 completely clean shaven. I learned how to do a wet shave with a safety razor and a little bit of straight bled That's that's really cool. I like doing that. Nowadays. I just do that on the neck And you know as far as women and attention goes and you know, ios and cues and stuff like that They're all about it. They love grabbing on it playing with it kissing it for fucking around Yeah Yeah, and that's the thing, you know, like that's a look preference as well. Um, you know women will say Uh, I mean before when my beard was shorter women would say things like you look like either jason statham or You know indies or some shit like that, you know when I kept it tight But you know with the length I kind of have my own look right now And it's like if you have a beard you have to have the look clean and tight You can't have food in this shit. It can't be dirty. You can't afro out Find a good barber that understands how to properly groom and take care of a beard and stick with him I mean, I go to my guy every two weeks. I'm on a schedule. He knows him in there every, you know This day at that time cleans it up tightens it up done see him in two weeks sort of things So yeah, like it doesn't matter I mean if you're going to sport one make sure you do it properly And it's one of the things that have been a sign or signal of masculinity and attractiveness for Quite a long time, right? I mean it's been a long time I mean we didn't really have razors or probably didn't even shave with razors, you know hundreds of years ago Even thousands years ago as Vikings and shit with long-ass beards and you know chicks dug them then, right? I had a beard in high school So I the the beard thing is interesting to me because I had a beard when I was like 15 Oh, you were that guy I was the guy that had fucking chest hair full beard. I was freshman in high school But at that age it was not an attractant like I would attract girls moms No, I will harvest it like yeah, it was it was interesting to me because I would always attract lots of older women You're like moms college age, you know Yeah, usually like in like, you know early 20s mid 20s, but like teenage girls Oh, hell no, it was just because you look like you're fucking 27 28 Like you you're out you're outside the attraction range so much you actually you look makes you look almost too old It's kind of yeah, but give it a few years and then that happened like I got to college though Oh, yeah, it was an incredible game changer and there's also the uh Yeah, there's kind of like the domination effect now where Beards are I would argue almost like trendy because you know up in the early 2000s There was not a thing to have a beard now being able to full grow full beard as a man It's highly distinguishing. I mean women look for it. I feel like a lot more Uh, listen, it's a sign of masculinity and testosterone, right? Like if you don't like if you're a guy who can't grow full beard then people assume that you have low T Not that that's true But yeah, if you have a if you have a full beard, that's you know, just like a woman with big breasts, right? That's a sign of fertility. That's just you know, that's a sign of youth That's why we like big perky tits. It's the same thing I'll have this With this style because I I used to have hair that was longer than AJ's What? I had a full ass beard. I have tattoos going down both of my arms And I used to dress like I was a member of the hell's angels So that was kind of a look I had up until I started working corporate about well Seven eight years ago And then you kind of I started with you know trimming the beard down and then I got the hair off But now when I dress in a fairly conservative corporate way The reaction you get when you're wearing let's say a polo shirt and Copies and you have tattoos going down both forearms is very interesting because it's almost impossible to place you in one category Yeah, that's a big contrast Hyper contrast. There he is What's up? The godfather has arrived. Yes. Royo Tomasi Royo Dude, I love that guy because he could not anyway I mean, of course, we're all you know tongue-in-cheek, but I love how he just couldn't hide his Hispanic Working all the royal Carlos was great. Yeah, give him a second. It usually doesn't work right away. Can you hear me now? Yeah, we got you Yeah, you know what? I need to pop myself up here too because I think that Everybody always says you're low every time I talk. So I can yeah, you're good man. You're audio solid My bad. I I had a fucking brain fart. I didn't know that uh, I didn't do my math right I thought it was 11 So, yeah, hi, and I think I even told you 11 to My bad Usually do this on friday. So it's you saturdays that got me out of my and then I had a minor dog emergency just a minute ago too So just you to do it. I gotta tell your dog eat your wife's panties too. Oh god Yeah Well, this is welcome to the completely casual and Unprofessional red bangers episode 21. So we're all looking at something. What's going on in your world? I don't know. Okay. Are we at that spot? Okay. Um, we're gonna take you in that way Well, I just got done doing um pat Campbell show this morning We talked about henry cavill and superman being scared of the me too movement In fact, superman is talking about it's interesting to see how migtows jumped all over henry cavill Like being scared of like I don't know if anybody's read this in gq magazine He uh, he came out saying like he was he's single Superman is single. Okay. The dude is 35. He's like fast approaching his sexual market value peak. Although, I mean, he's henry cavill, right? um, and so Here he is in the Australian gq talking about how he wants to meet another he wants to meet another a new women and all that but he's just He's he's concerned. He's he's not like, oh, I'm afraid. You know, obviously, but he's concerned with the uh, the you too, uh, the me too movement and It's just It's interesting to see like the the binary uh response On twitter and all these feminists just jump out of the fucking word would work to uh to give him grief about it So we start we were talking about that and and of course then on top of everything else migtows go. Yeah, superman's going migtow Awesome, you know, it's not. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's not guys But uh, but and then of course he pulls a tony robbins and he um, he apologizes for it And I've said this and you know, people give me shit for for telling tony robbins this like straight to you know To his twitter account anyways, he probably doesn't even actually twitter a tweet on it But uh, you know, it's like don't apologize I mean, this is the the same shit that uh, vox day has been talking about for forever and you know sjw's always lie is never apologize because you only emboldened them And it's the same shit that that he just fell into that same trap and probably it's because he has A publicity company or he's got his handlers that told him you need to apologize now. You better apologize So so we talked about that that was interesting because I sort of got my as you can tell it kind of got my blood up a little bit Um, I'm probably gonna write a post about it. I think um, and then I think it's interesting with it Is the fact that if let's say aj just referred to himself as being in the top five percent of looks But if you think Henry can be at least probably in the top two percent of looks Two percent of affluence and I'm not sure about his game, but There is a guy who's literally Superman being beaten to death by the me too movement I mean the me too movement is his kryptonites Yeah, well, you know, it's funny is there's probably so many women who are just going No, Henry, I'll go out with you. I'd love to go out You know, they're just like, you know antsy to go out with this guy or to get a date with fucking superman of all people and then But they're afraid they're scared of the me too movement To actually say anything to actually have an opinion about it and to say no, you're wrong Because if they do they're going to get run up the same flag pull that he's getting run up And they don't have you know, high paid publicity handlers to to take the heat for him But so anyways, that's that's what we were talking about. We also talked about that guy who was uh, the The guy was like 42 years old that ended up murder suicide killing his wife and his three kids and basically a classic case of A guy getting zeroed out and his wife like prepping to leave them and and that was kind of that was really I didn't know we were going to get into that topic quite as deep as we did But that was interesting. So anyway, that just I just took care of that. Um, I've got My my evenings here are getting very very interesting because uh, it's we're now in about the middle of summer out here And I've got a wildlife preserve suddenly on this property like I I started You know, I bought this property in November and I've been living here You know through the winter and through the spring and now it's summer It's really interesting to see why I've got um, I've got bucks coming through here. I've got deer coming through here I've got like wild rabbits. I got bats. I got It's it's weird. It's like trials of life. Yeah, so I'm out there taking pictures and it's it's kind of fun in the evenings here right now so that's that's kind of what I'm Preoccupying myself with this photography right now. So Anyway, that's what I'm doing. I got a question about this me too thing with this Superman issue because I was just thinking about I mean today's topic is affluence versus looks versus gain If you have sufficient affluence looks in game does that does that I mean, is that an insurance policy against me too? I would say so it depends if you have fucking money that You have an insurance policy against anything like the thing with Henry is I think with a lot of guys It's when they're highly successful They don't realize that they're actually in that fuck you position because they spent so long working up there They don't want to lose that position So Apologize too often and too easily for things that they don't need to apologize for it's like, you know If you've got fuck you money the answer is will fuck you, right? Yeah, I'll tell you I'll listen. I'll tell you this too If you notice a lot of the celebrities and actors that are victims of the hashtag me too movement They're guys without game. They're not really good looking guys. Dude guys who look like Henry cavill Dude, bitches aren't telling on him. They're not filing sexual harassment charges against him. They're fucking him That's what this is. It's they're not doing it now They're not doing it now But the point is is like if if you work in an American office, right? Obviously we all know don't fuck your co-workers. It's just not it's not worth it But the more the more the more alpha cred you have the more attractive you are in an office It seems it seems as though the beta males are always the ones getting the hr complaints And listen, I haven't I haven't worked in an office in years. I haven't had a w2p job in forever So, I mean, I don't know I'll look to you guys I mean is is that's what's happening because a lot of guys who are getting caught up with these hr summons are just the beta males You know, you know billion accountings, you know says hello to Samantha, you know while they're getting coffee You know, oh my god, right? Blah blah blah blah blah, but you know when would a when a Henry cavill looking guy walks in You know, he says hey, you know, let's let's go for you know dinner date and fuck Okay, you know and and he doesn't get he's not immune But I think that I think that guys that are more attractive whether it's look much looks money or game I think those guys have a much wider bread much much more leeway in terms of their boldness Right now one of the things you have two situations because you have one You have the beta males for being reported by the chicks they actually hit on And then you have the alpha males for being reported by the 450 pound redhead PCOS suffering Bitch sjw feminist in hr because he didn't hit on her So I've actually had that. I mean, I'm not gonna reveal too much but when I worked for corporate gyms I was able to get away with a lot of behavior that was You know, let's say I'm professional with female co-workers People I worked with because I look like what I look like The one you know, one of the time I got reported to hr once Um, it was by a woman that I never talked to ever And she was she was jealous of the fact that I talked to this other woman more And when it came time, you know to like, you know, find out what the complaint was and I got called to the office and I'm I'm getting you know, served lectured and having explained to me and I I'm a I pushed back really hard Like basically you found out a situation to what you described female jealousy It was a female woman I worked with wasn't getting Quote-unquote alpha attention Pissed her off So that became the complaint that I think alex is behaving appropriately with the other women But then when those women got interviewed No, I love alexander. Were you talking about he's super professional. He's great to work with alex alex. Keep it real You fuck the hr lady. That's uh, that's not fucking the hr lady. Let's let's let's let's keep it real All right, all right, let's keep the flow going because anthony wants to hop in on Go ahead anthony. Yeah, I was gonna say that uh being alpha puts you in a much better position like harold sand and donovan But I would women are fickle So I would be very hesitant to trust the women's program is view of you To not report in you to not do something Feels like kinds of motivations that you don't want to deal with and her view of you could change and snap So are alpha guys less likely to get accused of alt's me too stuff? Yeah, I think so obviously But I wouldn't trust it. I wouldn't rely on it. Even if you have fucking new money and all that stuff Yeah, I was gonna say is that there's always gonna be that That biological aspect of having a good-looking guy and he's gonna be able to get away with more because his attention is that much more valuable because he is For lack of better. I think it was uh, what was it? Uh, dr. Warren ferrell called it genetic celebrity You are a celebrity because of the way that you look and he was referring to that in terms of women But I think it also applies to men. So if you are a quote unquote genetic celebrity and you have You know, you're built in a certain way. You have a good look. You have symmetrical face You have you know a good jaw line whatever that kind of stuff and especially In a work environment one of the one of the things I always tell guys is that you need to be very sensitive to What women are wearing in an office space like if women are wearing red Usually, you know is an indicator that they are you know, they're ovulating and they're at a particular phase and they're a menstrual cycle Yeah, and then so we it was funny about a buddy of mine This guy was really a good friend of mine. Um, we when I was working in a An office capacity We would actually track the ovulatory cycles of the women who were like our immediate superiors And so we would say, okay, this is a red week And so we knew that you know, we had to back off and everything But once it was like sort of once we got we were trying to figure out, you know, how menstrual cycles really affected the moods We didn't know anything about ovulatory shift back that but we were like we knew that At certain times of the week or certain times of the month Uh that women were going to be more attuned to guys who were good looking as opposed to when they were on the rag Or something like that and they were going to be more bitchy and And those were the times when you wanted to stay away and you would want to back off Whereas when they were in their ovulation ovulation part of their cycle You're like you could get away with more and you could do more things So I think that there's definitely a uh an element of how good a guy looks like if he's that genetic celebrity Yeah, for sure. He's going to get a different kind of treatment than a you know fat gross overweight guy, you know Definitely, definitely. Um, I kind of want to shift gears a little bit because we were talking about um Looks when we were uh, kind of wrapping back and forth before rollo jumped on I think aj You might you might have some good feedback on this. Um, I think donovan used to be fat, right? Oh, yeah, three qualms. That was me. It might have used. Yeah, yeah So like I'm looking at the panel of guys here, uh, you know carls Obviously in good shape because we were talking before we got on but um, you guys all independently have made self-care Like a prior to your lives obviously for your own reasons, whether it's for the optics or for health reasons Donovan, I know that you were heavier before in aj. You do a lot of training, you know personal training and stuff Um, how how do things change for you when you got your shit together? Like one of the things that I've noticed is if you have the uh, perfect 1.6 Golden ratio meaning shoulders are 1.6 times your waist width Um, you've got the broad taper event. You've you know, your signaling strength broad shoulders matter How did things change for you guys when you put a priority on self-care? Uh, I'll go first. Uh, there's nothing psychological about this. I just got I've started getting more attention from women man, I mean It's like an amazing thing happens in personal trainers. Um, you know in their sales pitch They'll say change your body. You change your life. It's 100 true girls respond to you better when you when you're in great shape I don't think there's anything That's not a head game if you're in good shape You're gonna get more attention from women and when I got myself into when I got myself into peak physical condition And it was kind of the perfect storm because when I when I first arrived in vegas, I wasn't really in that great a shape I mean, I wasn't I wasn't 312 like I was before But I was I was probably closer to maybe 250 260 but as soon as I got all the way down to 215 216 maybe 220. That's when things substantially changed for me Do you notice that a lot with clients? Um, AJ sir. Yeah, uh, yeah with clients. I mean I'm seeing my personal experience like I I I'm that motherfucker that I I've had super wide shoulders and a tiny waist for forever Um, so I like female tension. It's just Yeah, it's like, you know water through my fingers on that way It just always happened but you know for male clients that was always very transformative for them When you have guys where they were just Maybe they they're not you obviously they weren't zeroed out per se But they were very accustomed that they did not get looked at they go out Um, they had to rely upon being funny They had to rely upon being the wingman to the wingman. They got the leftovers Relationships their wife their girlfriend. She was never you know, like obviously they had sex But there was not that desire, you know the you know roll-off to refers to and they started to get shape They started getting shape You know this very basic start losing body fat Arm muscle, you know chest arms abs Uh, and it's very transformative. It's suddenly they're getting female tension So any of their wives acting jealous because she's seeing that she's seeing other women look at them You know something there were their girlfriend their girlfriend saying the sex is way way way better She's actually desiring You know him for the first time You know once you have that there's no going back at all Uh, it's it's it's a night and day difference. I'd argue There's no there's no return to where you want to let you don't want to let that go as a man This is because it has this absolutely world-changing effect on the way that everybody perceives you All your league change Carl, uh, you wanted to chime in on that Yeah, because uh, I dropped about 70 pounds in the past year or so So I wanted to get a jf shout out on that because he's been my behind the scenes coach on that But um, one of the things you notice is uh, women will actually Initiate kino a lot more often Especially if you're starting if you I'm down to about I think I'm between 12 and 14 percent body fat right now And you'll notice women will come up. They'll touch your shoulders They'll touch your arms et cetera all the time. You don't have that Hurdle you have to I mean have any of you've done game in eastern europe? No, no No game with russian women is absolutely fucking hell because they will stand there and watch you dance for the first seven eight minutes Before they even crack a smile. It's like talking to like you you would have more success running game on this On a polar bear. Well russian women are frigid as fuck here, too, right? Well, the thing is once you crack that they just want to Does he have metal to actually keep going? Yeah, and Once you start looking Yeah, once you start looking better that hurdle becomes smaller and smaller and smaller to the point where it's not even there Yeah, uh, rollo. You wanted to hop on that. I was just gonna say that just chime in it I personally I've never been fat at all I've always been kind of rail thin if anything and it was it was more of a challenge of putting on muscle mass Then it was about like trimming down or anything and for a good portion of my younger days I was really more concerned with you know going out and partying and playing in bands and stuff like that Then I was you know really working out But I've been working out probably since I was in my early 20s and my brother Was an amateur circuit bodybuilder and so he and I were really into like The the old school joe weeder stuff back in the early 90s. I don't know if they remembers. Yeah, joe weeder and so My brother used to compete but I I didn't but you know after a while I I realized that putting on some muscle and actually getting some definition Uh, I also noticed exactly what you guys are talking about Women would come up and they would want to touch you or they were like, you know, they were oh, you know How are you doing kind of thing? And became a lot more the kino definitely came up but the other thing I wanted to say was that When you do that and you initiate that change You are going to definitely inspire I want to say passive dread if you're a guy who has been fat and you're in a A relationship and suddenly you say, you know what? You're one of the first things I tell guys is when they are awakened well married I said the best thing that you can do is get your ass into the gym and start looking better Because it's going to change your wife's attitude and they don't believe me and then suddenly they they've dropped like even just 10 pounds or 15 pounds And now the attitude has shifted and it's shifted from a position of being Just sort of this routine bullshit ho hum kind of sex to The woman is it goes to initiating or she's worried about it I I always tell guys to say you don't be surprised when a woman starts trying to feed you more when you start looking better because that's sort of a way Of her make guarding you because because she wants you to stay fat She doesn't want to lose her investment because she's fat and comfortable and she wants you to be that way too And because in that case when you are fat like that you are easily controlled you are predictable and easily controlled Yeah, and we got a caller on the line. Yeah 914 or 205 5356 area code 215 you're on the line with the red man group go ahead Hey guys, how's it going? Do you hear me? Yes, sir I just want to give a quick shout out to Richard Cooper and Rolo I'm part of rich's patreon group. The facebook group is awesome. Appreciate it. I love you guys work. Thank you. Thanks The only question I have is So when I started getting into all this in the red pill I was in a relationship at the time And as I was absorbing everything about games I was trying to I was like, okay. Well, let's put in its practice with this relationship And the thing that I found to be the most effective And that doesn't require you to be like on the pl a side of things like acting different or whatever is like frame So sometimes like they would ask you questions and sometimes I would just be like, why do I have to explain this to you? Or why why do you need to know this? It just simple changes like that like immediately like just turn them on and make you more interesting and then also Like also physically like just not constantly being next to them not constantly Following them having them following you and that seems to be the most effective At least in my opinion, but uh once you guys just elaborate on more about What do you think are like most effective means of like game and such um including frame and and maybe others Thanks for the call I guess we'll let uh, we'll let we'll go on that one first. Well, I'm glad he asked this question Because I kind of wanted to segue into this topic here where um, I mean really the the reason I wanted to talk about this today was because It's it's a very common Uh, a very common controversy. I guess that I've had to deal with over almost like 10 years and there's usually guys who are Either in one camp or the other Usually the pickup artists guys are like it doesn't matter what you look like as long as you have confidence And as long as you're calibrating and as long as you have good game and as long as you're creating Uh a feeling and as long as you're leaving a woman with an emotional impact You I you know, they'll show you videos of these fat guys who just go up and pick up women on the streets And and they're these gorgeous women and suddenly that you know because of their Their game they're you know their bulletproof game. They can go home with these chicks Now I've only ever seen these on rsd videos, but apparently, you know, this is a possibility I I've actually seen a video of this one guy who put on a fat suit And then he put on like some really loose clothing to make it look like he was kind of overweight And then he was running game on women Uh so that he's like this fat guy running game on on chicks and then it seems to be working He's getting numbers and everything else and whether or not that that's actually something else legit I don't know. Uh I have people who've told me that but there's usually two camps There's the guys that are game is everything and then there's the guys that are just like Fuck it. No, it's only it's only looks looks is everything and if you is if you don't have those looks If you're not six feet tall if you don't have a symmetrical face If you don't if you're not jacked if you're not, you know Those are the the deficits that you have to to Like overcome so it's usually two camps the guys who are just like completely fatalistic when it comes to looks And the guys who are completely fatalistic when it comes to to to pick up our history And then there's the other guys who are in the camp of it's all about affluence. It's all about money If you don't have money, you can't get laid. You're never gonna and and I I don't believe in any one of those as a particular extreme now If anybody has ever read my post called looks count, and I think I sent it to some of you guys before we came on here What I what I've always said is that looks game affluence have Two If you can have three that's best But if you can have only one game is the most important And because game is going to put you into at least a caliber of woman that is above at least one step above of what you're probably used to But of those three the one that is easiest to that you are I should say easiest But the the one that you have the most direct control over is your looks because you can dress differently You can work out you can get yourself together And you're going to have an easier time with game if you look better Okay, if you have a better look to you you're going to get What I call IOIs indicators of interest you're going to have women who are going to like we were saying They're going to touch you they're going to want to be touchy feely They're going to give you those indicators of interest and then it's up to you not to fuck it up Okay, because I've seen so many guys who are really good looking dudes who have no game and they're very very blue pill and they end up being They they get past the initial attraction and the initial arousal and then maybe they get laid But they don't get the girlfriend They've always wanted and the reason for that is because they're still very very blue pill And then the other part of this I wanted to just throw out there And I'll stop after this is that the affluence side is everyone thinks that it's all about money If you don't have money if you don't have resources and women aren't going to be after you I will tell you this the majority of my notch count came when I had Zero money I had a pickup truck and I had an amplifier and I have my music equipment And that's all I had to my name and I had women come to my one room studio apartment in north hollywood To have sex with me because I was this character. I was this person that they wanted to have sex with I had this I was kind of like this ideal for them as alpha fucks because again here. I am 22 years old They're you know, they're old but it's not about money. You can get laid without money telling you people do it, but Yeah, yeah, well, it's like what what else can you do? You know, you can you can you have more control over your looks you have more control of your game You can invest yourself in making some money and your own affluence and your own status But really that doesn't really even come into its own for a guy until they get to be in their late 20s to early 30s Which is why I peg sexual market value peak for men right around their early 30s All right, let's throw it off to carly wants to hop in Well, I just wanted to comment on something because I've been kind of pissing people off on twitter lately and one of the things I tweeted out the other day was That women we get this impression that women have a line of six to Rip billionaires hitting on them constantly when in reality, you know, they may have 50 thirsty instagram followers and if they're the average guy, they're about five tenths They have a bmi of 29 which is on the borderline jewel v city They have 40 inch waist they earn 20 49 k a year They're wearing crocs and cargo shorts that are two numbers too big It's not that much effort to get above that one. Well, the height thing you can't really do that much with But you can stop fucking eating You can find some way to make a little bit more money And you can take the crocs and those cargo shorts take them out in the backyard and fucking burn them And you can go to Did you wear crocs and khakis? Is that what this is? No, I've never worn crocs. I have worn khakis, but khakis aren't the bad thing cargo shorts are But the point here is that the average guy is so poor is setting the bar so horribly Freaking low that if you can't get up to that bar, you may as well Just go to the go to pet smart and talk to donovan's guy and get spayed and neutered immediately because you can't Get yourself above that level then your work ethic is the problem. Nothing else All right, curl that was awesome We're gonna throw it over to aj before we take the next caller. Go ahead. I'll be quick But yeah, I had I had that tweet curl you might have seen it went somewhat viral where um It's like if you're a man and you want to be more attractive to women Dress better, you know, like basically dress better good hygiene Brush your teeth wear better shoes. I just what you just described just utterly basic shit um, basically most morson balls that you take in a shower every day and showing that you Mildly give a fuck about what you look like and I had guys arguing with me about that where I would never want a woman Who cared about the shoes I wear or the clothes I wear? Um, so like you said the bar is so perfectly low Uh, you know in regards to the the guy that the question the caller with you know relative to frame and you're being led I talked about the role. I want you on our podcast We did a bit if you're a guy and you physically get into shape You have a natural psychological change. It takes place where you will feel more confident And you'll you'll want to assert yourself more simply because you're already Practicing that within you know the consequences of the gym, but that metaphor carries over to life You know one thing that can be very disappointing for women is if you see a very attractive guy who let's say he's fit I've seen this with bodybuilders where they can be very fit very good looking They have a state of physics that stands out But then they turn into this freaking puppy dogs with women still these they still have that very blue pill mindset so They look great, but then talking with them it can Yeah, maybe they're good looking guys So they're still going to have some game there despite way of looks But they're actually disappointing in a way because they're not leading themselves. They're not leading the dynamic Uh, they still fall into the chump mindset. They find a girl they like So the whole you have to yeah as role said you have to develop all these all these areas at once It cannot just be Do one thing and then rely upon that to carry you through Cool. Cool. Yeah before we how many colors do we have? Yeah, I've got one of the cube before we before we take this call Let me ask you something AJ. How many how many female clients have you fucked over the years? One There you go Okay, listen one is enough gentlemen if your woman wants to get in shape Don't let her get a personal trainer. All right. Harry code eight three two You're on the line with the red man group. Go ahead Hey, definitely just keep it to you guys. Um Just to give a little bit background about myself uh, I'm more of a Some guy you know kind of have the you know, I'm six foot one You know have more of like a soccer player build. You know, I grew up playing soccer But one thing that I noticed is that when I started to just really focus on You know getting the macros and the calories in and tend to gym hard Uh, I felt a little bit of resistance, you know from the women in my family and um In every time I'd mention like oh, I want to get bigger, you know, because I kind of I'm six foot one But I waited you know more around 170 But I'm trying to get to like that 180, you know, I kind of vacillate between 170 and 80 But I'm trying to go beyond that but I always felt them Sound like on me. Oh, no, like, you know, they were like this the other day. I heard uh, what am I going to tell me to like Yeah, I keep looking way too big and it's small and I'm sitting here like That's not true at all. But um, you know, ever since I became This super red pill sharp, you know, I just started to like realize that the only reason why they say that is because I'll get more people attention And that means less resources for them, you know and um, but that's just what I what I wanted to say and uh, I guess my my next question for you guys is For some of you guys that are really into working out, you know, what sort of You know training regimens and styles that you guys do because I've been focusing on kind of just hitting the compound weeks But yes, I'm trying to get into at least considering getting into crossfit. So, you know, what sort of Kind of training regimens you guys use to you know, put on a little bit more Well, what I do is now I don't have to worry about putting on mass, but I'm with you I do all compound exercises. I don't mess with the I don't mess with the isolation chairs I don't mess with the not only not not that those aren't effective But anything that involves a barbell squats deadlifts, uh bench press overhead press Standing barbell rows. Those are the things I do to make sure I don't balloon up. I do spin class I'm actually like today. I I've I've done spin class five straight days. That's how I keep the weight off That's how I keep my you know, my body my body fat percentage down. I think Yeah, let's throw it over to AJ and then I want to talk about I'm relatively putting a lot mass my man if you're trying to you know, in regards to training There's Thing I always train and break guys out. There's there's no secret methods training. There's no Specialized, you know, let's say celebrity program. There's no such thing as you know Like you know, if you train this way, is it about compound lifting? It's about isolation. It's about lower ups Perhaps if you want to optimize your training, you do everything. So, you know, you're meat You're uh, you're the meat of your training should be compound movements Squat bench press deadlifts rows, you know dumbbell pressing dumbbell rows dips chimps pull-ups Push-ups things that nature and then you sharpen yourself up because you know some muscle groups, you know shoulders for example Having big shoulders as a guy major asset for anyone regardless of your height Shoulders tend to grow better because you your shoulder has different aspects muscle to it So you do some lateral raises plus your adult raises, you know, same with triceps So you don't do compound movements for everything. Um, yeah, it's a mix You know, you optimize it by doing, you know, some compound some isolation high rep high reps moderate reps low reps But you know to kind of head on your point that you made a good point in regards to trying to get into shape And then getting resistance from people That's always gonna happen, you know Friends and family it's really common one thing that is useful to point out though with women and I've seen this Um, and it can be disconcerting for guys when they're trying to get fit And then they get like negative feedback so speak from women where it's like, oh like you just it's it's so fucking vain You're probably gay. You know, that's gay. You know guys that work out too much They're just into their bodies basically what they're singling to you is that their sexual market value is lower than yours And so, you know, they're having this reaction where they realize fuck I'm not good. I'm not basically attracted for this guy to fuck So i'm gonna try and bring him down a notch and see if I can knock him off, you know, maybe basically the personality pedestal I've seen this with women for years Um, you know, I've had it happen myself where girls look me like, oh, you must be so fucking shallow And let's say it's like a girl's a seven right wouldn't be in And I can see it's just sort of like attacking the out Yes, as a matter of fact that you just work out to get laid. Yeah. Uh, yeah Yeah, yeah, I can do that. I always cracked up that way where I mean, I've seen that outright where it's like, oh, you just Must be all about your looks and like, yeah, you want to fuck me too. So It means it's a shit test in a certain way but Don't don't take that as a negative if you start getting that that female commentary that way and think like, oh man Am I messing up? You know, or is it true that women are more into personality? No, they're just shit testing you. It's bullshit Yeah, that's a full on shit test just to kind of add to AJ and I want to talk about diet in a minute, but um I've I've had that my entire youth, you know up until about the age of 30 35 Women have constantly told me You're too into your body. You're too into working out I had this one girl from my 20s that would constantly fucking shame me and she was hot But she would constantly shame me because like AJ said I was probably a point or two above her on the SMB scale Um, I've always had like I've always been skinny, you know, I've always kind of been like roll I've been a skinny dude. I think at um 17 or 18 I was like 160 pounds. I'm about 203 right now But I've always been fairly thin. So to put on muscle was really really hard Um, and if you're walking around with broad shoulders and a narrow waist and a six pack ad and those and those sex lines That kind of come down over here, you know towards the side Um, that's that's hot and chicks dig dig that and any woman that's going to tell you that that's ugly Or it's unattractive or you're gay or some shit Uh, you've she's just proven that that your smv is higher than yours To talk about the other component of that which is the diet size is Donovan and AJ both talked about the weight training and the compound exercises And yeah, those are all really important But abs are made in the kitchen and if you want to have an advantage in the looks department On the sexual marketplace eat proper healthy food stop eating processed shit. That's fucking frozen and going through drive-thrus You're probably better off fasting than not even eating anything altogether and you're stuffing in your face excess calories Um, I mean, you know to get under 10% if you're under 30 years old shouldn't be that hard if you You know follow a proper diet. You don't even need massive arms You don't need big shoulders But if you've got a narrow waist then the taper up will certainly compensate if you wear the proper clothes I mean if you're wearing baggy ass clothes with your pants hanging down around your knees You're gonna look like a pleb, but um rollo you wanted to talk about the family dynamics of that color Yeah, I was just gonna say is that this this create when a guy gets into the into good shape And he's been one way for a very long time and has decided to change his life He is going against the image the mental image that All of his friends all of his family probably his girlfriend probably his wife have of him And I think it was robert green who said that human beings are creatures of habit We have an insatiable desire to see consistency And predictability in people's behaviors and when you take that away from them You take away a sense of control that they have over you. So when you are When you're changing something about yourself, the first thing they're gonna say is you're not being who you really are Or they're gonna say that you're going against your own character or like stop trying You've probably heard to stop trying to be somebody who you aren't and that and that right there pisses me off Like to no end because I think that it's my opinion that Personality is not static You are not always the same person and you can change yourself into someone else Or you can have your your personality changed for you So if you're not in control of who you are somebody else is going to want to control who you are And so that's something to consider if you are Uh a guy who is you know kind of overweight and you're thinking about getting you know Taking control of your life and taking control of your the way that you look And doing something about it. You're going to meet that resistance because people don't want to give up that control over you They don't want you to to be somebody who you aren't Because who you are is predictable and who you are is somebody that they have some some kind of control over And I should also add this is that if I forget what the statistics are it might be a little bit more But I think it's like at least 66 maybe 70 percent of the united states population is overweight And of that percentage 33 of them or maybe even 40 now. I'm not sure are morbidly obese If you can get yourself down to just a normal body weight like a regular average person was say in like the 1950s or 1960s You have just put yourself ahead of at least 66 of the population when it comes to looks So there's no reason for you not to do that now finally I do if people want to ask me what I do. I'm a hard gainer and I'm a I'm a thin guy So I've been using this I've been using this program called maxot pro for quite some time now, which is max overload training and I do Very low reps, but high weight Exercises and that's how I I I gain the best I guess Cool. Um, let's hand it over to carl real quick and then we'll take the next caller I just want to talk about the perception that most people have because one of the things I've been noticing And we're all low touched on this as most people are fat as fuck And there's no pointing sugar coating it or buttering them up because that will just fuck up their hearts and their diabetes even more but people Let's say you let's say you're people think that let's say they're 300 pounds now And then they drop to 240 people are gonna be like you're fucking skinny and The reality is you're still grossly overweight, but People tend to think they'll be lean At a much higher weight than is realistic and people think they will be jacked and That think they will have to get to a much higher weight than they will to get to look jacked you can look jacked at about 185 if you're six feet if you're lean enough and you dress well for it you can look pretty jacked I mean Arnold back in his heyday. He's six two and he was about 230 on stage Yes, listen a lot of people think that Arnold Schwarzenegger was the what was like a 300 pound behemoth like a jay cutler or Ronnie Coleman No Arnold Schwarzenegger wait about as much as I did when he was winning all those mr. Olympia titles Hey, I want to I want to ask one question from AJ because I know AJ Is a personal trainer for women. Do you get this like when women come up to you and they go? I just want to tone I don't want to be I don't want to lift heavy weights because I don't want to look like a man I don't I hear this constantly in every fucking gym. I've ever been in it's like I'm just here to tone And I don't want to put on too much muscle because then I'll look too masculine Yeah, you know what's funny about that is when the chicks go well I don't want to get huge no sweetheart picking up weights won't make you Cupcakes does I've written articles about that. I have I've been on fitness podcast about that. It is is a constant this under relentless just bullshit myth Yeah, I mean the thing women have I mean I'm on terms like women's health podcast But yeah, like for women, you know, most women just take terrible care of themselves Yeah, especially now it's like Yeah, you this is all from out of you guys that you have like your cute sexy face from like 16 24 They get 25 start getting weight. Oh, oh my god what I do They turn to cardio and cardio kind of can artificially keep your weight down But they never building actual muscle mass and then they age and they age terribly Um, yeah, I mean I would argue you know like I would argue that for a woman you can actually probably extend your hot peak out fairly far into your 30s if you really take excellent care of yourself Um, you you can very few women do yeah, how do you do that? You have to build muscle mass lift weights and increase your bone density and actually give some form to your body You know getting females to do that. It's always a site. It's a it's a very psychological head game And it's not the physical part that's hard It's just the psychology of it and then then then they actually do and they realize like oh my god Like this actually works And then there's also that always the realization of false like holy shit Like I've been lied to my whole life from every woman's magazine I've ever read about how to be fit skinny All right, so let's throw it back over to Donovan. We got some colors in line All right, uh, erico 405 you're on with the red man group. Go ahead Here you go 415 you're on Oh, erico 415 San Francisco right here. Yeah, we got you brother. What's up? I'll tell you. Okay. Okay. Um, yeah, I was given a call. Um Now I kind of wanted to throw in something about like uh, what what the man on the far right? What's your name brother with uh, with the long hair? AJ AJ AJ. Hey, what's going on AJ? How you doing my man? This is my first time uh, seeing a couple new guys in the chat. So um, I just wanted to use myself. My name is Devonte and I moved uh, um, San Francisco recently I did live in Orlando. So I know about the 21 conventions and things like that in the kind of touching on what uh, AJ was saying about, you know, the guys that go to the gym and stuff like that and You know how they can get big they can start looking good But they still have that chump mentality when I was living in Orlando, there was this body building gym I went to called uh power strength gym And actually uh, rich piana actually was uh, was a sponsor. Oh, wow out of that gym Yeah, yeah, um, I mean, I've had a I met that guy in person and I won't not joke with you guys I thought he was a cartoon because his arms were unreal When he was swinging his arms around working out, I'm like, yo My eyes could not even like picture reality Um to kind of go into a little bit further of like just that the story about the bodybuilding There was this guy. He was he was jacked. He was huge and there was this pretty low Colombian girl That worked at the front desk and everybody wanted it Now this dude, he was a relatively good guy You know, I'm saying but his problem was Is that he he would have little value pitches to where you know, she would laugh and giggle But then he'd go back to being insecure. He's just like, oh, well And and and kind of what entrepreneur cars and roller would say in the past is some guys have Self-fulfilling prophecies So he'd get her to laugh and joke and then he'd say something like oh, well, you're probably thinking what is this loser doing talking about? It's like You know saying it's like a lot of the times guys, you know, they they can look a certain way But feel different in the inside and they wonder why, you know, somebody who might be skinnier less desirable Would get that cute Colombian girl because they have that confidence or they're not self-deprecating You know, um, yeah, that'll boil us down again. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. Thanks for the call. Uh four one five Listen, this is what a j uh touched on earlier You can you can be as big as you want to be but if you don't like you could be rich You could have looks But if if you don't have the game if you don't have the confidence not only that once let's say you actually fuck the girl Right. Okay. Great. You fucked her. Okay. So now what? You have to know how to handle women. You have to know what makes them tick. You have to have red pill awareness Otherwise, I don't care how much money you have. I don't care how much looks you have women are going to walk all over you I was gonna say I have a Gosh, I forget which post it's in right now But I told the story of this guy who used to be a a guy that I worked with at one of the clubs I was in and he his name was jake and the guy was like He was a PR PR guy now jake was model quality good looking built like a fucking Brickshith house. I mean the dude was definitely bodybuilder, but he still had that blue pill mentality He still was this guy who believed in oneitis. He believed in the soulmate myth and he was always upset And it was everybody hated on him because he was like this guy who could easily You know, I his notch count had to be like sky high but he wanted that That uh, that blue pill idealistic kind of monogamy and so he would get into these situations and women would fuck him They would real they love the way he looked But then once they got past that and they came to like being a girlfriend to the guy Then they they all left him and they moved on to the next guy because first of all Most of these women were real good looking because once you get up to a certain smv You're getting into a different sort of caliber of women and those women are used to having congruency And what mean by congruency is that there is a personality that goes along with that look that women are expecting So if a guy is a bodybuilder if a guy has this kind of tough brother from the streets, uh, you know, this goth look This, uh, you know tribal tattoo kind of thing, uh, if if the typical chat and those aren't those are just some of the more stereotypical ones But there's like characters that women are expecting men to play if they have a particular look So if you can be this really super huge bodybuilder guy and you act like you're homosexual That is an incongruency from the look that women are expecting from the behavior that you're displaying And there's that disconnect right there and guys who are you know, I use homosexuality as a as a Sort of a balancer because that's one of the reasons why we say if we see a good-looking guy guys try to Like disqualify that guy by saying well, you know, it's a good looking dude, but he must be gay Right why because that's what well first of all we're trying to to disqualify him from the sexual marketplace but there's also this This stigma that a really super good looking guy isn't into women and so we go along with that But what that is based on is that incongruency between a way a guy looks and the way a guy acts and what he behaves Yes, yeah, we have other callers airy code 832 you are on with the red man group. Come on. Come on quick buffering All right 832 you're on go ahead Yeah, how you guys doing good, bro? So I have a question and it's not you know It's not uh connected to the the current topic it's actually kind of a different question and something that I've observed and maybe rollo could answer this question best but uh In my observation, you know, I've I've come across girls and I've dated girls who are you know alpha widows and I have no problem, you know being a man myself, but you know, there's still a pain to deal with this because you're kind of Taking up pieces and trying to put them back together again, right? But my question to rollo is Is there a certain amount of time, you know a girl could go through kind of like that situation of being an alpha widow? for example I've seen girls who've gone through it twice but after that um After that it's like they start they stop dealing with the alpha's period, you know and the way I and and how I've seen it is that i'm the 20s A lot of the girls from that I knew back when I was in my early 20s and weight teams um They would deal with guys like me or guys like my like my friends And then now we're like in our mid 20s or our mid 20s and now they deal with with guys who are you know definitely looked a lot more beta and They and like you just sit there and wonder like how could these two have ever gotten together? but so my question is is there an expense to Like how many times a girl could kind of go through shit with with the dude? And then you know before calling it quits and you know kind of just going through Uh, you know towards a a more beta guy. Yeah, thanks for the thanks for the call a 3 2 go ahead rollo I what he's getting to was he's getting at is what I call an alpha widow And what that means is is that the guy that made the most the strongest alpha impact on that woman Sets the benchmark for any other guy that comes after him And this is one of the reasons why I believe that when women have multiple partners They have a much more difficult time pair bonding with women later on in their lives so you got a girl who goes through her party years, which is between say 20 and 28 And ho phase. Yeah, exactly. Well, okay But anyways, so she goes through that and the guy who had the most alpha impact is the one that she pines for And so when she gets to what I call the epiphany phase She is still thinking back to her fun times that you know, she was so wild and she was so different when she was in college And now she has she's come to the realization that her sexual market value has decayed And she has to find a long term fit for her own long term security So she's looking for a guy who is who is going to be a little bit more beta Who's going to have good provisioning qualities? Good parental investment qualities and these are the guys that I call betas and waiting And so what he's asking me right now is is there? Is there any time where women really forget about those guys or those those alpha dudes of their past those alpha? They're alpha widows They are literally widows for the guys that they were with back in the day I also think that when women are virgins and they have sex with the first guy Unless it was like a really horrible experience for her That first guy sets that benchmark for her and then any guy after that has to be that much more alpha It has to be that much better a Fit for her from the alpha fuck side of hypergamy. So to answer that question. Yes, it is there It is possible to sort of rid a woman of that alpha That alpha widow hood, but you have to be that guy You have to be the one that makes her forget about all the other guys before her And most guys simply don't have that in them because as we as we know in the monastery We say that 80% of guys are beta 20% maybe are the guys that are going to be the the upper end woke You know, uh red pill guys who know what's going on and can work with that at no game. And so the I The possibility or I should say the probability of that actually happening is Pretty low But what the reason that they are alpha widows in the in the first place is simply because those guys made that alpha impact So if you want to really stick it out with an alpha widow You have to be the guy that is going to replace that dude as the apex alpha that she's pining for You need to come above him and in that case. Yes, you can Perfect and two real things before we move on to dawn it in to take the next caller one Can you smash the like button guys if you're watching this right now? We've got like almost 450 people on smash that thing hard. Let people know. This is a great broadcast YouTube will send it out in the notification fee We've got the lines let right now. So make sure when you come on you've got your question ready So we can kind of go through them quicker don't there's one thing I wanted to add to that The guy I think the guy was kind of getting at where these women they're alpha widows made to happen once or twice The other thing with alpha widows and like this happens with girls, you know Well teenage you know in their 20s. Let's say they end up with them being with an alpha guy 80 percent men are beta. So 80 percent men in a relationship. They're just so happy that they found a girl to have sex with Oh my god, you're letting me have you know use your pussy. You have a guy. It's an alpha Guys are alpha knows that I can get more women. There's It's not just you So, you know, the need is not there at all and women they're in a relationship with an alpha that can be kind of Sharp realizations because they're not they might be subconsciously aware of it But when they consciously realize shit this guy He has no attachment to me that way where he doesn't need me And he can move on after me Um, you know, let's say the relationship doesn't work out That's part of the reason why women will turn to beta relationship as they get older One because they don't have the market value to attain the alpha but two they you know in their mind They got burned by this asshole when reality they just essentially were not Attractive enough to keep him around Yeah, and he was not in that desperation Place of the beta would mail what normally would be where they he's looking for his one All right, airy code 773 you were on with the red mag group go ahead Yeah, I'm calling from Chicago. Um, I appreciate the broadcast. It's very informative for Everyone actually I'm um Like I have a son who's 20 years old and he doesn't Consess his um Relationship life to me and I'm very concerned as to why The weather or not He's actually applying himself as the alpha male Because I above all else would prefer that he's on top in any situation. You a single mom So I appreciate you are are you a single mom? Are you single mom? No, no, I'm married. Okay. Uh, well, what's what's your husband's role? Because if you're worried about your son hitting a stride then that to me that's that's dad's role Well, you know That's the thing they keep me out of the loop. It's like don't worry about it I got him. You know, okay. Well, I mean, what if they do so what's wrong with that? So what's wrong with that? Like why can't they keep their dating life quiet? Like why does mom have to get into the picture? But my question is Women are sensitive enough to be to stick their noses where we don't belong that's why I mean At the same time, I dig in birth form so I'm concerned about his well-being Just just because he's not bringing home women to meet mom and the family It doesn't mean he's not out there dating or or having fun. I mean Guys are awake. I mean guys that watch this broadcast that are familiar with the red pill that have read the rational male And you know the other work of other great men there that we've recommended Um, you know, they're only going to bring home You know the girl over Thanksgiving or Christmas if they're in an ltr and they found somebody they find is worth introducing I mean, they want her to be a compliment to the life Not the focus and I think you might be putting a little too much pressure or asking too many questions of your son Especially at the age of 20. I mean, uh, you know, let him have his fun, right? Well, listen, but before I before I before I drop you off the line If you're really concerned about your kid, tell them to go to donovan sharp.com the rational male.com Tell them to google the red man group. Thanks for the call area code 312. You are on the line with the red man group Go ahead I'm thinking about moving to the east coast with this this woman. She You know, we met on online. Okay, wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on So you're thinking about moving to the east coast with a woman. Are you moving to the east coast because of the woman? Yes All right, keep going now this woman is To to leave details out this woman is is is very financially Successful much more than I am um I'm moving to offer myself a better life. Maybe if I have Children with this woman, maybe you know, so educated and so on and so forth. Oh boy This sounds like a train wreck. I mean, I can see the indieberg blowing into flames here I mean, I'm seeing an asteroid crashing into the earth. This has bad fucking idea Oh do it. What are you doing? Listen I'm in my early friend. No, how old are you? Give me a number I'm 32 and your your girlfriend is 33 oh no No, sir, absolutely. This is a bad. Well, let me ask you this before we jump to conclusions here What was your question? Are you asking us? Should you do it? Yeah, I mean She wants me to move she's introducing her family And yeah, that doesn't matter that again that that doesn't matter. Of course, she's gonna do that So are you asking us? Should she have kids? Oh, that's a good question. Does she have kids? She doesn't Has she been married before How many times What what was it how many times has she been married? Oh She's coming out of her fellowship Um, she's been basically trained in medical training for 15 years And what do you do for living? Like you said that uh, she's got a good job or or she's moving somewhere, you know, because of a job right Yeah, I I think I think we're all consensus here. I don't do it man. If you do it, it'll be the worst mistake your life You're you're in her frame, brother. Yeah, if you're if you're if you're even considering this right now You are in her frame. Yeah This is not disparaging, but I just want to say this like I can tell by the tone of your voice and the way you're speaking The way you're thinking about it. He doesn't want to do it. Yeah, it's it's not good, dude It's gonna end badly. It's like Carl said it's gonna be the Hindenburg coming down on your ass Wasn't maybe one thing though if you do this then I'm not going to protest anymore But promise me if you do this And when this blows up in your face, I want you to get a tattoo across your chest and reverse lettering this Biggest mistake of my life so that every time you get up and look in the mirror and you shave every morning You have that as a reminder not to do stupid shit Let me let me let me jump in here before you guys let him go. Um Go to my twitter Rolo Tomasi at rational mail on twitter my dms are open DM me direct mail me on twitter And then we can do this a little bit We can go into this in a little bit more depth than we have time for today Listen before you do anything three one two talk to rola do talk to me thought dude Oh, oh my god. Yeah, listen. Thanks for the call three one two. Uh, get ahold of us, man You you you need an intervention 914 205 by 356 is the number to call airy coden 978 you're on with the red man. What you got? Hello, my name is Jane category Mm-hmm I've lost Okay, what was your question about hormonal changes you mean Because um, how do I put it like I know for a fact Like this shift this is called to like, um And we're lifting right just put it on the muscles in the fat Increased testosterone, but like I live in the neighborhood and like I see now like I get in the situation because I can't finish So like I gotta make a smart comment Like Yeah, well, listen, I think this question is is should I be taken testosterone and dude if you're in your 20s If you're eating well if you're lifting it's not necessary I mean you can do like your body and your balls will take care of everything that you need if you feed it Properly and hit it hard, you know throw heavy weights on pick them up Put them down do it over and over again and eat food give it six to 12 months You'll start to you know start seeing some results. I bet AJ's got something on that Yeah, I can say I have an arc on my website 50 ways to naturally increase testosterone I mean unless you are literally hypogonadal as a guy in your 20s Where your testosterone levels are below 400 and you can't get your dick up and you're you're feeling sad and emotional You you can you can readily optimize your test levels in your 20s. You should be able to And it depends down like make sure you pull your blood laps to find out what's That's a simple blood test. You just go to your doctor total testosterone test Total testosterone. That's a test. It'll give you back a number It shows you the range if you're in your 20s that number should probably be reasonably above 600 preferably 700 If it's not then like you're already doing lift weights There's supplementation you can do selenium magnesium Vibe and D getting more sunlight just you know, keep on fatting yourself. Keep building more muscle That's easy to improve upon And when you guys look for shortcuts when it when it comes to their 20s and looking better and dropping fat and putting on muscle And there's no shortcut. I mean you have to do the work You have to put in the fucking time pick up the heavy shit Put it down eat and rest and repeat and keep doing that And if you're not getting results and you're still feeling tired and you're not waking up with morning wood And your dick's not working. You're not putting on muscle and you're not losing weight That's you know, that's when you can start looking at blood labs and maybe you got something wrong I mean, did you have an injury? Did you take a basketball to the nuts like jay gamble and your ball stopped working? You can fix that but for the most part your body should be able to perform itself at that age, right? And when when aj talks about 600 700 he's talking about nanograms per deciliter That's that's the that's the The the free testosterone measurement if you're below 400 nanograms per deciliter You're basically a woman and you need to get it up. You need to get it up over 700 in my opinion Yeah, get that as high as possible. Like I I mean I posted my blood work We're you know a few weeks ago my test levels are over a thousand um You know when guys ask me about like yeah, how do I get you know confidence? Neutrophics focus energy testosterone, baby Good It is the cure all man 9142055356 is the number to call to get on the show area code 510 you're on with the red man group. Go ahead Yo, what's going on fellas? How's it going? What's up, brother? Good so a question that I have for y'all and This kind of goes back to the little collaboration y'all had with turfling and monkey and I love that man. I feel he's got some great content But I love just the the realness that you add that every one of you gentlemen had in that video and pretty much One thing that really clicked on to me with whether it was Jonathan sharp or rose tamasi is something that stuck out where you said Rollo, were you competitive? I can't say it's verbatim, but you said were you competitive before migtail? And this this topic I want to bring up so I thought about it today It's easy for guys to be like, you know what I'm going migtail And I'm swearing off all women but Is it easy to say that when you're not getting nines or tens and the upper echelon of women that you desire To me. I think you got to look yourself in the mirror and be like, okay Is it easy for me to say no women period because I'm not getting the women I want because if you're getting nines and tens I don't give a damn. What the hell you're saying about hypergamy. You're not going to turn down women, right? What a gentleman. Well, I I got asked this question about I forget what it was I think it was uh, you know Can you give me some suggestions as to how to Gain confidence how can I I happen to be of the opinion that confidence is derived from options and having like real actionable options It's not some magical bullshit that you come, you know Just wells up inside of you if you just think the right thoughts and suddenly you're going to be confidence confidence comes from options and options are what Really what what you have to you have to build on the successes of those of those options And so I get asked this question. You know, what can I do? How can I how can I uh, I'm red pill aware now? What do I do? I've always told guys you need to get into some form of competition. You need to find whatever you're fucking good at I don't care if it's playing chess or whatever the fuck you do I would prefer that it's something, you know, athletic or you know, something that has a little bit more benefits than that But uh, if it's learning like, uh, I would tell guys to read the book mastery by Robert Green be good at something And get into it and compete with other people and compete to the point where you are a winner at something Because that will help you say, you know, what if If everything goes to fucking hell at least I'm good at this right or at least I know what I'm doing when it comes to this Right here. I don't think a lot of guys. I think it's too easy to get into a non competitive Ideology right now or a mindset where you're you're thinking of What can I do to make myself more comfortable when I get home from work? It's not what can I do to improve myself? It's not what can I do to win something because you can't win anything unless you are competing against other people for something And really you're in a competition no matter what it is that you're doing But I always tell guys you need to find something that you think you might be good at and learn how to be competitive Now for me, that was martial arts and that was fencing And so I got into those as sports and I was very good at fencing for a very long time Now there's other things that I do that I that I find competitive But that was my thing for all through my 20s and into my early 30s And that was something that really kept me going because I always want to be better I always want to if somebody kicked my ass at least I can come back the next week And I try to kick their ass again, right? And so there's this this constant You know back and forth and the other thing I want to tell you is that when Men win when we win something when we defeat a rival even when we're watching our favorite football team Gets a win and we're going yeah, fuck. Yeah, and we're feeling good about ourselves You will it's scientifically proven that your uh testosterone will your testosterone levels will raise if you feel good after a win Or a victory as opposed to if you're defeated your testosterone levels decrease Why is that because that's an evolutionary function of guys who are fucking winners guys who have something going for them And I'll tell you where this right now women pick up on the sub communication that comes From that increase in testosterone in that cockiness in that self-confidence I think it was roissy who once said men need to have irrational self-confidence and to get that you have to compete So think about this guys Learn to find something that you're good at or that you think you could be good at and even if you're not like a Professional level tennis player or whatever the fuck you choose at least you're out there and you're competing And when you get those wins you're going to get that high you're going to get the that chemical rush From those victories and I don't I think today too many guys and particularly in the migtau community Don't want to be competitive They just want it to push it off to the side and go home and relax and do whatever they're going to do and there's this idea That if you don't have a woman in your life that frees you up to do all these other fantastic things like you like If you're going to go monk mode, well great go go monk mode But then learn how to speak a different language or learn how to code or learn how to do something Better person because of that and you know what I see very very few migtaus do that They they'll go make telling I don't have to worry about that anymore. You chumps can go out and have the women I don't care. I'm going to go and be a better person I'm going to focus on my inner being or go get my shocker's aligned or some bullshit It's like we don't do anything you need to compete. You need to find some way to compete Every time I talk to migtaus. I've always been left with the impression that they are not competitive people So before we kind of hand it off to carl and the next caller I've put out over 500 videos on my channel and We're on episode 21 of the red man group. Thank you I've spent Probably the better part of six or seven hours recording a video that I've reflected passed on an episode 18 on mctau with tf I'm grateful. We did that episode if you're not subscribed to the channel And make sure you subscribe and hit the notification bell that's coming out in about a week or so I have to do the titles in the tag and the thumbnail But um, it's going to be controversial My reflection on that episode is going to go in depth kind of how rollo was just kind of diving into that subject I wanted to kind of um share my own experience and after thoughts there So make sure you follow into that carl you're up and then we got another caller Yeah, I wanted to I think a lot of what happens with migtau is another robert green law of power Distain what you cannot have. I think it's they don't want to be competitive. So they instead of realizing that Instead of admitting that they can't get what they want. They just Distated instead and Yeah, well, they dig themselves into an unfortunate situation That's why I tweeted out the other day that I'm pretty much on board with the migtau are like, okay I'm not going to get into an LPR. I'm not getting married, but I'm still gonna stack cash pocket chicks and lift I'm not so much down with the migtau says, well, you know, I'm going to stay in my house. I'm going to smoke weed I'm going to get fattest shit and I'm going to spawn camp 12 year olds encounter strike The former is fair enough the latter one is kind of just sad in a way because You are competitive. Let's make no bones about it because if you're the most important thing in your Life is your xbox gamer score that you are competitive You're just not competitive. That's something that matters because actually getting out there and competing in something that matters means risking defeat and If you can delete your gamer account if you lose to start over again, then you never have to deal with being beaten at something Okay, so let's start over to the next caller. All right, airy code three two one. You are on live with the red man group Go ahead Yes, airy code three two one. You're live Going once. Hi. Yep. There he is. Hello. Yes Hi, my name is Joe and um, thanks for having me here. I I had a question. How do I join the 21 convention? I've always I'm in Orlando now and I heard about it But I kind of don't know um, there's going to be a link in the description of the video once it renders So everybody, uh, that's on this panel right now We'll have their social feed plus the 21 convention link to buy a ticket You want to grab it soon because the price goes up over time. That's exactly right Thanks for the call three two one airy code four one five. You're on live with the red man group. Go ahead airy code four one five Okay, hey real quick on that last caller if you hit me up and you DM me on uh on twitter I'll I'll get you information for 21 21 convention. Good stuff airy code two two five. You're on live with the red man group What's up red man group? What's up brother? How you doing? So, uh, I probably had one of the worst cases of oneitis. I had Probably of anybody man. I uh, I met my high school sweetheart and Oh, shit. Here we go. I went out 16 or 17. Yeah Yeah, well long story short Um several years later. We got married We got a state and shit went downhill so I'm in the middle of a divorce right now and to be honest. Uh, I could not be happier. So this isn't really a question and saying man just uh You know the road to uh, the road on the plugin is hard But damn, it's worth it Absolutely, I could not agree more. Thanks for the call airy code two two five airy code two one five You are on live with the red man group. Go ahead Here you go two one five Hello, yes, sir All right, my bad, um, so I called in earlier So I figured I'll call it again and give them to give you guys another question. So, um You know, we talked about or the red pill community talks a lot about You know the cycles of rage and all that that you go through after you take the red pill And I'm wondering if there's like there's like another sort of cycle that takes place In regards to game interacting with women In certain sexual, you know Places or spaces. So I found myself recently like just frustrated or Upset with like the bar scene the club scene Uh date, you know the apps where I would typically go and gain women and pick them up And I'm wondering does it have to do with you know, I'm upping my standards I'm pursuing excellence. I'm following your guys advice And so I'm raising my central market value and I'm achieving my goals And by raising my standards is it is it reflecting out when I'm looking at women that I now want Something I just got something at a higher standard and I'm not really getting that at the bars or is this kind of like uh Like a frustration aspect where if I'm not being honest with myself, maybe I'm just being frustrated with You know, just seeing women and how they're interacting and how they have, you know advantage or whatever Okay, colbert. I've got a question for you if 10 is the best version of yourself and one is the worst. Where are you on that scale? I would say I would say I'm above average like a six in terms of body money They look Okay, so if you're a six out of 10 You can't expect to be getting women that are considerably better than that Like you're not going to get seven or eight out of 10s, right? Like you got to up your game No, I'm not I'm not here to complain about not being able to pull a nine or 10 or whatever I'm simply just saying, you know Is it is it okay that I don't want to interact with women at these spaces that I want to pursue maybe a different Hey Yeah, man, you should be working on yourself right now Like, you know, you should be working on your own game increasing your wealth, you know fixing self-care Making sure you know your body's in optimal condition and strong and you know your masculinity solid You've got your red pill awareness going but you're going to find a lot more happiness and contentment whether you're out Doing day game at night clubs Doing apps or whatever you're just going to feel a lot happier and more content if you're Even if you get yourself from a six to a seven, you're going to feel and do better, right? I would also I would also I guess what I'm trying to say is Because doesn't go to what you talk about rich about managing your fuck Like don't have a lot of fucks to give On the bar scene and I rather go my fucks into a hobby where I might need women there Yeah, but I mean like you're kind of flip-flopping like you're going from like the women aspect to the sexual marketplace to I don't give fucks It's like you kind of give fucks because you're talking about being frustrated with what you're doing, right? I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. Well, you're giving fucks because of your frustration with what you're doing Go ahead. Yeah, you're giving fucks because of your frustration with what you're doing and the results out of what you're getting I talk a lot about belief system coming from inside which governs your choices and the results you get And if your results aren't making you happy if they're not satisfactory if they suck or whatever You need to make different choices which comes from your belief system So your belief system needs to update for you to find contentment and happiness on the sexual marketplace the night clubs the swiping apps Whatever it is that you're doing because there's a clear indication of me. Anyway, as I'm listening to this and I want to pass it off to Carl and I think Donovan that wants to chat about it But like there's a clear indication that you're not satisfied with what you're doing. I think you're bullshitting yourself You know from being honest, you know I say that guys are masters of two things complicating their lives and then justifying why they do it And there's a lot of conflict in that question and statement that you're throwing there Yeah, I would have gone looking at this No, what I'm looking at is I get that he's kind of dissolution with the bar scene itself That's what I'm reading from the question. I I call this the The style problem named after Neil Strauss because what happens is You run game in a certain location for a certain amount of time You get start to get pretty decent at it and then you want to self sabotage yourself And you want to find something more and then you know, you start reading Jordan Peterson You start cleaning your room and then you get married and you have a kid Then you take a picture of yourself in a pink bikini on the beach and say that my old life as a pickup artist was horrible And then all of a sudden you get divorced and then you're back and you want to earn your way back into the atmosphere with Oh guys, sorry. I fucked up. I didn't really and here is my new Tony Robbins power of positive thinking stick Yeah, I would it's funny. He actually mentioned The many stages of taking the red pill and a lot of guys A lot of guys sort of they don't like to put labels on thing, but there is a progression and the the Donovan sharp Red pill progression it it's real simple. They're shock. Then there's anger Then there's euphoria gluttony addiction and application Like you go through all of these stages and if you make it past the anger phase because a lot of guys get stuck In the anger phase and then they decide to go their own way But if you can make it past the anger phase and understand that women are neither good or evil They just are they're just taking the shape of the container that they're in then you can move on with your life Something else that he hit on is that is is actually something I went through I wasn't really like once I figured women out like once it clicked for me I wasn't really as impressed by them one of the first things that happens Once you get past that anger phase is that you quickly begin to realize that that Obviously girls are not made of sugar spice and everything nice. You understand what makes them tick etc But you don't really like it as much you're you're you're not as impressed by them And that's not to say that you'll despise them so long as you're not in the anger phase Because we all like the way women smell and all that But now that you've been sort of let behind the curtain and you can pretty much, you know, predict any woman's behavior They're not quite as impressive or mysterious as they used to be and I remember I don't know man I was in my teens and 20s used to think that women were god's greatest gift to the world But now that I know who they really are and how they function They're just not as awe inspiring anymore. And I don't know. I mean to me They're you know, there's a certain sadness about that I would love to be able to I would love to be able to know what I know now, but still have that same That I would love for women to have that allure But just like I said, you know on the other red man group women are not these mysterious creatures One guy said that a woman is a sphinx with no secrets Listen men women are dude There are as simple as a fucking cardboard box as long as you figure them out They'll be fine and once you see them for the cardboard boxes. They are you're just not going to like them as much anymore All right, Carl go ahead back for a second on it because What I meant to say with the old style Um slippery slope thing isn't necessarily to say that you know, the person is there's something wrong with the person What the point is that Once you learn game all your illusions about women start to get dismantled slowly and you realize that it's When you take away the mystery you're left in the same position that Nietzsche was in Where science removes all the mystery and all the specialness from the world because you can explain every single mechanic through empiricism and rationality So once that's gone your Or Let's call it the illusion you have created for yourself of there being more to life than materialism is gone and when that's gone that leads to Sorrow and you have to replace that sorrow because that gave your life meaning now your life doesn't have meaning so you have to create meaning and then you What's the word here you create a Mirage of meaning in the middle of things just to make yourself live through it That's why jordan v. Peterson's story is he rejects christianity which gave his life meaning then he embraced Socialism because that gave life meaning Then he rejected socialism after seeing the results of it and he re embraced his own kind of form of I would call it neopagan christianity to fill that void within himself and once your illusions about women are gone Something has to replace them But to replace a dilution with another dilution doesn't doesn't make you healthier. It makes you sicker Well said airy code four one five. You are on live. Wow a lot of four one five calls today You're on live with the red man group. Go ahead Yo, how's it going gentlemen? What's up brother? How you doing? Yo, I wanted to throw this throw this little thing in um now i've been around the world and um, I've noticed with a lot of A lot of like chinese and hispanic women, you know, they have kind of a different You know outlook to men now I remember talking with a group of chinese women and about two years ago and uh, they had they had told me is that When they have like a family portrait And the portrait has the man at the top And I said what does that mean and they said well The man makes all the decisions the man takes the risk and the man is to be respected And I ended up getting their number. There was one that I like specifically Now the one that I like specifically I got her number. She texts me right away You know trying to hook up trying to have a date trying to meet up and everything And this kind of went to the same scenario to like a lot of venezuela women that I have met in the past You know women from foreign countries And what I've came to the realization is There's a different perspective on just the value of a man when it comes to different cultures Not to say that the women here in america Don't have a good perspective of men, but I think they don't have a good perspective But no no hold on let me correct you women in america don't have a good perspective of men What I was bringing up is here in america a lot of women view men as a commodity Yes, you know something to get free meals out of free drinks out of but in a place like venezuela Where it's heavily heavily impoverished They grow up respecting a man. They grow up putting a man high and giving the man What what he he is known for to be a man And I think what a lot of people are missing is that there are women out there A large amount of women that will give you the respect and the servility that you need as a man I think that you're that you're probably buying a little too far into the bullshit You know foreign women will often send off those signals that You know not all women are like that, you know like venezuelan women or chinese women or whatever I mean, they're all going to tune into their hypergamous nature You know women still view men as success objects. It doesn't matter if they're american or chinese or japanese, I mean, they're all going to view men as You know an opportunistic object It's just the way they play the game differently or the way they play you differently based on their culture and their Upbringing is going to be a result of where they're from, right? It's you know, it's like donovan said I mean the vast majority of north american women are kind of shit But it's up to you to filter the crap ones out so you don't waste your time with them, right? Yeah, there's a point I wanted to make to this I think you might kind of be hanging upon my man with you know what you're trying to get I think is that when you have countries Let us say that are Well, it's the frame of the united states We can say that men women are very equal footing or women are disproportionate footing Every there there is material abundant material abundance It is a very comfortable state of society. We all live in comfort We all live in comfort if you go to poorer countries where people at states more third world And people literally have to work You know to the bone to get by That's a different scenario for women where feminism modern feminist united states It's not going to take The same effect there that bullshit's not going to prop up because you can see firsthand literally Especially if you grow up poor you can see your father working and exerting himself You see men working and building things. You know, I've traveled around the world I've been to very rural villages There's a very sharp gender sexual divide between the a very sharp gender divide between distribution of labor Because guess what men are physically stronger and bigger and they're expected to provide because they literally have to And the women obviously are serving that you know traditional role So that is definitely that's appealing that way For you if you're a guy where you go to the united states where women want to have this everyone's equal bullshit At the same time as Richard was saying the nature of women is eternal and that doesn't change So certainly you can go to different countries and they can have a more traditional sense of masculine femininity And that is very appealing that women are women regardless, right? I mean keep that in mind And a lot of guys think they can go to to europe or russia or venezuela and bring women here and expect them to retain their femininity Oh, hell no Don't know, but I was going to say that too that uh, I agree with what agia is saying But the many important women in the united states Yeah, they are they're very adaptable So they're gonna they're very social they're gonna pick up all the cues on the culture unless they're isolated from that But that's fucking hard Yeah, there was a great skit. Uh, I can't remember if it was eddie murphy raw or delirious with the zebra bitch, but um Probably uh delirious delirious. Yeah, so I mean if you search for zebra bitch plus eddie murphy on youtube You'll probably find the skit, but it's but it's pretty consistent Yeah, I'm just gonna chime in here real quickly. I was gonna say is that I think there is this idea Particularly among guys who maybe they want to they're not mig towels But maybe they want to learn game, but they still want to They don't want to play the game on cheat mode But they want to play the game on easy mode and they think that easy mode means I've got to get out of this country And I got to go to Some other, you know eastern black country or I got to go to the philippines or wherever else to To find a wife, you know find this this feminine woman and I think it's it's exactly what uh, agia was saying It's like there's this idea. I think that guys really need to disabuse themselves of and that's the idea of the quote-unquote quality woman And guys always like to say that. Oh, I've got this quality woman I got I'll tell you no and it's like what agia was just saying is like they're still women and if you think that a woman is quality because For any reason really and in this case it happens to be I'm going to go to the philippines I'm going to go to to a latin country Because they respect masculinity and this old school old country kind of ideals when it comes to to gender roles Great fine, but don't think that That's going to find you this quality wife because that's just the way that they are It's because there's hypergamy still in those countries. It's just in a different context from what you're used to in in the united states I've been to I've been to Europe I've been to Panama. I've been to several different countries And I'm trying to think of like latin countries. Panama was the one I was in recently in Panama The it's that it's that latin Sensibilities where women are looking for that masculine guy, but they're still looking at for that masculine guy that dominant masculine alpha guy From a perspective of hypergamy. Yes, they're very feminine. Yes, they respect men But you know what they're still looking for women under you know with that sort of feral Natural evolved hypergamy. They're just doing it within the context of their culture their religion Their country their family there's there's all kinds of ways to modify hypergamy But underneath all of that your quality woman is still hypergamous at the end of the day Donovan. Yeah, um, I guess circling back to the original To the original topic here Not that that didn't apply But you know looks versus money versus game a lot of guys say well, I don't have looks I don't have money So I'm just gonna give up to me that's lazy thinking And it's it's to me. That's akin to a woman saying well, I'm not a nine or a 10 So I'm not gonna I'm not you know, I'm there's no need for for me to try to be a quality Well, I'm just gonna be a slut It's fatal is fatalism is what it is exactly the point is is both groups of people are doing what's easy It's easy for men to just check out and not get any pussy It's easy for women to jump on every dick that comes their way because as soon as a woman walks out of it Out the door man. She's getting hit and faced with a dick, uh, you know from all directions The mig towels like to use the freeze the juice isn't worth the squeeze that that seems to be their their battle cry I'm talking about low-level mig towels and on some level. I do agree with them, but here's the difference Here's where I disagree with this If you have game if you have confidence if you have a red pill awareness The juice might not be worth the squeeze if you're a low-level mig towel But if you're a guy like me the juice that I'm gonna get out of women is going to be very different from the juice That you're gonna get women offer like women as soon as I listen as soon as I became dawn of and sharp The juice that I was getting out of women was very different from the juice that that that was being offered to me before So again and again, this is all very simple It's not rocket science if you lift weights If you stack paper if you learn how to handle women if you work on yourself your body your mind your mental strength Etc. Etc. I think guess what the juice The the juice that you're going to get offered by women is going to start to taste a little bit better It's gonna it's going to start being worth more pursuing and even the mig towels still want the juice It might not be worth the squeeze, but mig towels even mig towels still want that juice So they'll go and manufacture the juice with other things like sex toys and dolls, right? Like they're still planning to get some other way you promise you promise we're not going there again We'll leave it at that. I know Carl wants to hop in And point out that we have to think about the male market versus the female market because What does a guy have to how low does a guy have to slip before he pretty much can't get laid? It's not really that far. I mean if you're broke you don't have game and you're let's say 30% body fat You won't be able to get laid A woman who's like have anyone seen the show my 600 pound life. Yes women on this show. They're 600 pounds They're broke throughout disability and they can't even clean themselves and they have husbands. They have boyfriends Some of them even have a couple of boyfriends So a woman has to let herself go to i'm pretty sure if there was a zombie apocalypse There would be betas out there looking to help hook up with zombie chicks All right, we got two more callers. Let's take one more and then we'll start to wind it down All right, very good. There we go. It's 747. You are on live with the red man group. Go ahead Hello. Yes, sir. You're on live How you guys doing good? Yeah, so i'm in europe right now and i'm 18 So I know i'm not supposed to start in the ltrs. I got that covered. I'm working on myself going to the gym doing all that But I feel like every time I start dating a girl and it starts moving towards serious stuff I start slipping back into that beta side So I'd like two questions. How do I stop that? How do I stop from slipping back into that like beta buck side? and then How do I keep this this girl interested while i'm in europe for another three weeks? Should not textured like i'm just curious is what I should do with that. Thanks for the call 747 um Ava we haven't heard from you in a while go first So I mean you're you're 18 year and you're my man. You're so I mean you have a two-part question Yeah, how do you feel interested how you're not slipping the the beta mindset? Yeah, I mean somebody to keep in mind with like the beta alpha dynamic And maybe some of the guys disagree but if you wanted to have a serious relationship with a woman You have to have some degree of I don't want to say vulnerability But some degree of investment in the relationship and this doesn't mean that you turn into a simp But if you want to have something serious with somebody you're going to have to open up a little bit Listen sensibility where she actually thinks that you give a damn about her So I think some of you younger guys get this idea where you know if you're going to be super alpha where you're either like very fucking playing it cool Or you are just falling all over yourself and emotionally vomiting on the girl You know if you are leading the frame As we've talked about where you're the one and it's linked to the dynamic You can definitely be in a long term relationship or at least a serious relationship very interesting in that And that doesn't mean that you turn to an absolute chump Um, you know, I mean relative to keeping a girl shit for three weeks. Like I'm not really this is like a foreign thing It's just she you know overseas. I went when you're 18 like you should be hitting everything that you can find so Yeah, we're sorry for you Well, the thing is this man, um, and he makes a good point when you get into when you start fucking a girl You don't really feel anything but the more you fuck a girl the more the more time you spend with her The you know you start to develop feelings and it's illicit man I mean, I'm here to tell you it's easy to fall back into your beta ways when you are in a relationship So here is how to not fall into that you start fucking other girls Because the more girls are fucking the less fucks you give about each girl, right? Like that's that's how it goes if you're fucking one girl All of your fucks are pretty much going to that one girl If you're fucking three girls, you can only give a third of a fuck here a third of a fuck there and a third Of a fuck there. That's how that works. Um Listen that that's all that's all I can really that's all I can really give you is just the abundance mindset, man And the abundance mindset is achieved by fucking multiple girls. That's how you give less fucks about women Go read my plate theory series on my blog. Yeah, I was just about to say, um, read the plate series, uh Essays on rollo's blog, but there's a video on my channel if you search for nine rules of tomasi Uh, rollo and I did a I don't know it was like an hour and a half and went deep in every single rule If you follow those to the t anytime you feel like you're reverting back to your old beta mindset And you're losing frame or you're you know entering her frame or you're losing control of the way things are going That'll that'll bring you up to speed. But the other thing I want to say is I mean if you're 18 and you're recently unplugged Um, you've got 18 years of programming behind you, which are always going to dominate your you know Six months of red pill awareness always you're always going to default back Um, we did a broadcast. I don't know what it was like probably 10 10 prior And one of the things we asked the entire panel is how often do you revert back to your old blue pill Plugged in beta conditioning and everybody including, you know, rollo the godfather the red pill sort of thing All agree that, you know, you all have to keep yourself in check. I gotta do it Um, it's not like, you know, reading a book or watching a couple of red man groups is Is going to solve all your problems of the structural marketplace Mastery has no finish line. It is an ongoing, you know search. Excellence has no finish line You have to keep working on your shit. So um, yeah, like anytime you feel like you're reverting back It's it's it's all right. Keep yourself in check sit yourself down have a conversation and move forward and spinning plate solves many problems Is uh, you know many of them that have mentioned airing code 646. You are on live with the red man group. Go ahead airing code 646. Yeah. Yep. We can hear you. Go ahead Come strong last call It's similar to one that was asked earlier, but uh, so more or less, essentially You know, I think, you know, problems have to prove to be the same about me Like, um, big three and 24 have a good job But I'm only able to really pull like five to seven can't really get eight to nine. So, um I was wondering if you have any advice on that Uh, listen, this is this is going to be the same type of advice that Richard gave to the last guy If you are if you're pulling fives and sevens and you want to pull eights, nines and tens You then got to step up your game. You got you have to lift more You have to be more financially responsible learn more game and here's another thing You got to shoot your shot like you can't fuck the nine or the 10 if you don't approach the nine or the 10 I'm not there. I was about to say Confidence game my man like I want to be with nines and tens. Are you actually going to talk to those women? I'll give you a short story. I used to train lingerie models You know like laryl Victoria's secret lingerie Tits and ass malls. Okay Yeah, I I love those women. Okay. I think that we should do an Frickin episode on that entire Okay, so these girls were like these were nine 10 level girls They were fucking stunning walking to a room They are going to get attention from every single thing that fucking moved men women dogs cats pigeons chickens fucking cockroaches doesn't matter Okay, you know, their number one complaint was about dating guys never talked to me Boom And these are what they would fucking jerk off to for your whole life Wishing you could be with them They never got approached because every guy sees them and goes. Oh man. I'm not Yeah, I don't I don't make six figures and I'm not tall enough. I'm not attractive enough That girl would never go for me and the one I remember being distinctly these were my clients She starts dating this He wasn't a bad-looking guy But she starts saying this stocky person motherfucker that you know the two of them together did not look like a congruent couple But you know why she started dating him? He was Yeah, he was off it in and he actually walked up to her at the club and started talking to her about her drink He was the only one in like fucking Months of living in Los Angeles people Listen people think nines and tens are hard to approach. No Nines and tens are harder to fuck than sevens and eights. Don't get me wrong But as far as approaching nines and tens they are they're much more pleasant. They're much more friendly Nines and tens will give you the opportunity to actually spit your game Now if you don't come with strong game, they're going to blow you out But they will give you a chance sixes and sevens again They get approached all the time because guys think it's easier to fuck them So it's easier to approach nines and tens much harder to fuck them It's harder to approach sixes and sevens but as soon as you pass the shit test use asshole game their panties drop almost All right, let's throw it off. We're all over then we gotta wrap up and say iron rule number eight I believe it's number eight Never or always let a woman figure out why she won't fuck you Okay, don't do it for her. Okay you guys get attached to this idea that they're in a particular league Okay, and if you do that all you are doing is limiting yourself from that particular set of women right there Guys saying oh, I could never I could never get into that The other thing I was gonna say is Fish where the fucking fish are okay a lot of guys when they get into game and when they they Up their they up their game. They become red pill aware. They're like, okay. I think I got this now Where the where the women at you know and they they don't know what to do with themselves because they are domain dependent And they're domain dependent on a social circle. They're domain dependent on the clubs They're domain dependent on day game They're domain dependent on one thing where they get locked into one thing and there just happens to be that in their particular social setting Their country their city wherever the hell they are that in their particular domain There only exists Sixes and sevens maybe one rare eight who's on vacation from somewhere else So you have to go and fish where the fucking fish are so if that means you got to go to Orlando for a vacation in the middle of october You can go there and you can have a access to a different domain And so I think that really what guys need to do is sort of get themselves out of their comfort zone and all of that Generally depends on the guy himself. He has to kick himself in the ass. He has to say, okay I'm not getting what I want from where I'm at right now. Where what do I got to do? Where do I got to go? You know, what what what do I need to change to in order to get to To the type of woman that I'm I would be satisfied with that I want to get with and so Don't get domain dependent. Um, and then also don't blow yourself out Before you even take the chance Cool. All right, we're gonna wrap it up on that note. We've got to wind down this episode It's been over two hours. I want to thank everybody for watching. I want to thank the panel Rolo tamasi donovan sharp carl Anthony the dream johnson and aj I will link in the description in a pinned comment when this once this video renders everybody social If you need tickets to the 21 convention, there'll be a link for that. That's in orlando this fall I believe everybody on this panel with the exception of carl probably will be there And I think everybody's speaking. I think aj speaking too, right? Yep. Awesome. All right, so keep a eye out on social feeds, especially twitter and Make sure you subscribe to entrepreneurs and cars and 21 studios to keep an eye out for the next broadcast It will be announced and you will need to set a reminder to view it again. Thanks everybody for joining us