 It's going to welcome folks back to the house to destroy committee. And we are considering we're continuing our discussion. Your racial statistics and the turn to representative coach Christie. You have something short that you want to share with us in some comments. Thank you madam chair is representative Norris with us. Great. I promised him that I would try to do this. It he he was looking for a visual representation. Of the of what the bill is so basically this is that representation. It's out of my head. So if it's a little squirrely that explains it. But as we can see when we look at these are the key partners to the bill over on the right. You know the bill itself. In in blue. There's another block that isn't a bill that's surfacing. So that hasn't come into play yet. But it could eventually then just the fact that there is so much discussion around data integration. And the office's responsibility around that. The government accountability committee. Which is charged with trying to get to Ken's point about breaking down the silos getting the information in one space. More visibly is in the purview of this group this committee the government accountability committee. And then we've got ADS that's providing all of these services to everyone in state government. And as you can see those green arrows represent that interconnectedness with ADS and the office of racial equity and the potential new division of racial justice statistics. You'll see that another key partner in this whole bill. You know is our DAP the racial disparities in the juvenile justice system. And then lastly the report and information that we received from justice reinvestment to with a very strong suggestion that we move in the direction of more justice related statistics in our data in our data collection. So we know the office representative Goslant spoke about that this afternoon. You know the fact that we have our executive director and the two positions that we did in support of the work that she's doing along with the fact that she's got a very expansive equity advisory council that supports the community transparency component. Similarly, we did another community engagement piece with this division by having the racial justice advisory panel to support the divisions work as it rolls out. There'd be a division director or executive director would you know assistant here and then these three staff positions the admin assistant and whatever we term these folks as you know are they data analysts are they data minors. You know so depending on title but but at least these are the FTEs for the new division and then in the background as we look at this little green line here. The agency of ADS you know shared with us that they would be utilizing at least one and a half FTE to provide those background services and especially with the fact that we would be looking at being a sieges compliant which would meet all federal guidelines for information security. So I hope that helps give you a little picture of what things look like is that helpful representative Norris. It's certainly a lot to take in out. Well, I'll make it a point to download PDF version so that and send it to amber. Well, I'll send a copy to the committee and to amber. And then you'll have it because when the PDF version will show you the whole thing. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So during the Doing a testimony before the break. Barbara you had raised a question about possibly putting in some some language and I just wanted to give you an opportunity to discuss that because my my hope was that we would vote on the bill, you know this afternoon. But if we need to do another draft because of possible amendments or something like that. Now would be the would be the time to do that and that's fine. Would you like me to to write something up quickly to read to the committee and propose adding. Before you do that, why don't you. Why don't you repeat your, your thought and question about the step and then we can get some feedback reaction. Sure. Amendment to the bill. Yes. So I think the the I'm trying to sort of back us up to the start of the conversation about how does the budget look and Susanna Davis was saying it's it's a good start we don't know yet until we get in there exactly how things unfold and what we need, which is it would be shocking to be able to know exactly what you need and to not need tweaks or adjustments and in order to assure that that happens without people misunderstanding. When they came back to present any changes. I think it's important to say we know that this is a new endeavor and that we're requesting that after one year or whatever time period we're comfortable with that. An assessment will be done of the goals and the capacity of this office to be able to meet those goals based on real time experience and to come back with a report and additional recommendations or necessary. Whatever it may not be a it could be a money thing it could be a policy thing it could be a permission communication thing. I mean, I'm not assuming it's going to be that you know a certain amount of money or positions but rather than try to over shoot or over think right now based on the best information that that we're reviewing. And that obviously the committees that looked at this and the groups that looked at it and the expertise of the witnesses we heard from it seems reasonable to do that and I would I mean in all of the programs and new initiatives that started it's like you want to go back and look at is this is this house is going this is what we set out to do are we doing it. If not why what needs to change and it just seems like a good way for us to keep not to like check it off our list and just assume all as well and should something be needed. To have it be an uphill battle of you just got money or policy changes two years ago so why are you back here now and trying to head that off. Thank you so. So would this be different than let's say a budget adjustment. I mean I said policy it might not be money or might be policy but if it was money would that be would be something different than my come up in budget adjustments or. And I don't know I mean obviously if it's if it's like right away it might be in budget adjustment but it takes time to hire people. And get them sort of trained and up to speed it may be that I don't know it may be that we're having a hard time finding people with the expertise we need in the field right now. And so we might have to outsource or bring in a different consultant or or that there's some other. New factor that comes online that that information needs to be collected from that would greatly change the workload. So I think that would be bigger than budget adjustment. And it's not like I'm looking for sunset it's almost like the opposite like we want to hear how this is going. We want to know you know if it or if Barbara we have as you know we have drawn a blank on anybody who might come in with their yearly reports is that what you're looking for. Is for them to come in and let us know how things are working and maybe maybe some of this maybe some of this policy needs a little tweaking and which might not include a budget adjustment that maybe just a little policy a little policy change so I guess with that. Are you looking for maybe a yearly update course. And, and maybe it's I mean and in some ways, it may be because this is a new program we want to, you know, have some opportunity for the body that or the group that worked on this to hear back because there was a lot of discussion about where should we take where should this be housed. I'm not sure I would put in necessarily the word budget adjustment but do we have the right resources tools and policies to be doing the work that we asked for or that you know that was that was legislated. Well, no. Isn't it not sufficient on page four of line three to five for saying honor before January 15, 2023 and annually thereafter the division shall report its data analysis and recommendations to the House and Senate committees and judiciary and on government operations. I mean what more do we need dealing that you think Barbara. So maybe it's just a sentence in there about because that sounds very like routine and that makes sense but maybe it's. And in particular, we want to hear if the structure and format is not the right word but if the structure and staffing I don't I want to like think it. What the right word is is adequate. To meet this. I support adding some additional language that just makes it clear we're looking for some kind of assessment of the department's functionality as stat as staffed and resource or something along those lines but I wouldn't say in particular because what I also really want to hear is that they do have and they're like, wow, we really see huge disparities and sentencing in the kinds of cases. You know, I don't want to I don't want to be careful not to refocus. Right. But so I wouldn't say in particular, but right, right. To me explicitly say we want to hear your assessment, you know, some kind of assessment of how operational or operational assessment. I'm just wondering if recommendations is a catch all that would that would get everything that we're talking about. And I forgot that language was there, certainly would satisfy my. I call it concern but what I was talking about as far as a yearly update on how things are going and again I think to me I think recommendations would, would cover what I was talking about if we need any, any kind of policy changes, whether it satisfies everybody else. I'm not sure. I think it's covered. I'll have a problem. We don't even have the different entities that'll share the data. I don't know how we can, how we're going to advance us and spend tax fair. I'm, I am not. I'm not in agreement with this at all the way it is right now I can't support this. Well, remember, I'm just going to say this and we'll put this aside money and all of that for the appropriations. The policy, whether or not, for instance, is council state governments recommended that this is important. But Barbara, are you in terms of recommendations. When I listen to you, I hear it's more like a status update or or a, you know, you know an update of their functionality operations whatever, which doesn't necessarily, it may not lead to a recommendation it may or may not. Are you good with recommendations. I just, does that capture. I don't know. I mean it's interesting because I just picture like okay it could be a totally different room full of people. And we're, we are all making our best. And I guess seems to week, because it's more than that people's best work was done to put together what is needed to get this really important data, and, and it may or may not end up but being adequate to do it. So, if we're committed to this happening we want to find out. We're, how's it going were you able to do what this law sets out for you to do and if not what are the obstacles that are occurring and do you have you know, it'd be great to have the people who are, you know, close to the work, being able to what would it take to be successful doing it or to be more successful or what have you discovered so that we, it's not a one in john it's going to evolve and I just would hate to fight with people about evolution because it, it's, it's new, and we don't know yet what we will need to be for this division to be successful. I have a question for Eric, I guess. If I ask you a policy question Eric, I know you'll say that you can have a comment but in your, your opinion does does in that language does recommendations cover everything, you know the types of things we're talking about. Do you think it's a catch all that would. But it's, it's one of those situations where, you know, you got to decide how specific you want to be. It could be read to include that but I think as Representative Rachel Sun said, you know it's, it's a few years down the road when it's somebody else sitting in the chair. You know, yes, it could be read to include that, but you know, depends how, how clear you want to be about that guidance. It helps. It helps I've drafted up a sentence you could add. I was just going to ask. I was just going to ask Madam chair for be alright if I asked you if you had any ideas as far as language go so. I can read it to you and you can see what you think, either, you know, added or not added or changed it or don't change it. Yeah, please. Thank you. So it would go where we're looking. And so it would be a sentence after that that said the report shall include an operational assessment of the division structure and staff levels, whether those levels are adequate to meet the division's purpose and any recommendations for necessary adjustments. I would change that shall immediately to may. Oh yeah, good point, good point. The second part of the phrase, the, if they're adequate to meet the needs. It's only one way. They may also determine that they have more resources than they need. Let's not prejudge that. So I don't know if I, how does it read if you don't have that phrase in there, Eric. You could say. So if you skip that middle phrase, it could say the report may include an operational assessment of the division structure and staffing levels and any recommendations for necessary adjustments. I think that's better myself. That sounds good. So that would be on line five of page four. And then report to houses, Senate, ensuring the box, right? Yes, exactly. Yep. And I think that's, I think that's good. And the folks you. I am I was I. It could be something other than staffing structures it could be lines of authority. I mean like to report, like the lines of reporting. I would like to see it in front of you. Yeah, I think I would. I'd love to see it in front of me. Operational. Yeah, because it may be. Yeah, I think once we see it, that might be in there. Right. No, I was just going to point out another thing that needs to be changed on the next version of this something that. Our eagle eye Bob Norris caught on page 11 you have bureau instead of division of Rachel justice statistics Eric, the old language. The division line 90. It's for the new section. Oh yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thank you representative. Thank you. Actually, I'm just trying to see if I can slip one use of the word bureau in here somehow since that was my original term. So open. You said line nine page 11. Bureau instead of are you in the, you're still I think in the version 2.1. I got it right here. Eric in terms of seeing the language what, what works for you. Take 10 minutes. Great. And I'll send it.