 All right, so our last topic our final one today, we'll see how short we can make this one because Pretty long podcast I think today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're always right at the cutoff point So yeah, so we're just gonna we're gonna talk probably about 10 minutes about this Mostly because I think I'm gonna do a lot of the talking which is pretty typical, but right So breath of the wild I'm gonna let you know right now. We're talking spoilers So if you do not want to know anything about breath of the wild In terms of Characters and backstories and yada yada yada some of this is gonna delve in the speculation, which is what you're seeing in the title of this but Speculation is the one I'm worried about if you don't like spoilers. Just turn it up. Don't even watch this episode All right, so Femme2 magazine It comes out every week. They released a big feature on Nintendo Switch and focused a lot on arms and Specifically breath of the wild. We don't really learn anything new from arms It's kind of just a repeat of information. We know it's the same images and screenshots The same images and screenshots for breath of the wild, but we actually learn new information about some of the characters So There are spoilers ahead below about so here's the deal so the Zora girl We see in the trailer her name is Mifah and Mifah is a Zora girl who lives in Hyrule She has a special power that no other Zoras have But perhaps due to that she's somewhat introverted It doesn't talk much and Femme2 wonders how she will use the spear that she's building. That's her weapon Darkle or literally The Rukera you gotta remember that these might not be the final names in English. This is Japanese So like those are all oftentimes translation differences So Mifah and Darkle or Dora Kuru might not actually be the name of these characters in English But he is a Goron warrior who lives in the mountain mountains of Hyrule most surprised where Gorons live He's normally calm but when entering battles he changes into a very brave warrior that screams loudly while sweeping away enemies And then finally you have Ribo who is a member and this is the key part of the bird like Rito tribe Which lives in the skies of Hyrule. He is spotted wearing the same blue scarf as Darkle and Mifah and each of them also wield different weapons We also learned In a different thing from Enuma that the guys wearing the blue scarves are like your companions Okay, that's what I was actually just wondering We don't know what that means because traditionally is all the companions mean people who travel with you and basically give you hints the whole time Yeah, I don't know that that's what these characters are gonna do because he also says that they're Companions but in a very mysterious way which tells me okay, so they're not traditional And they just would do only show up. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We have no idea what that means but the point I want to highlight is the fact that they say Mifah is a Zora girl and Ribo is a bird like Rito You didn't know this probably till I told you today, right? But in Hyrule Historia, it's been theorized for a while but Hyrule Historia confirmed at 100% that Rito Evolved from Zora now. We know everyone out there that knows this knows that this is crazy stupid that it even happened Yeah, Zora are people that are like fish people that live in water where it gets flooded figure They'd be in heaven instead. They become birds. Yeah, so yeah It would make more sense if it was in reverse order And the thing is is the Rito in this game look even more like birds than the ones from the Wind Waker Yeah, you remember the ones from the Wind Waker and it yeah Yeah, they had like it looked like they were like literally had a normal nose with a beak on top It was really yeah. Yeah, they had to earn their feathers to fly. Yeah, anyway, so like it didn't it didn't feel like they This is like a fully evolved form of Rito So this is more down the line of evolution. I think which means you can already say all this happens way after a Wind Waker However Zora and Rito in the same game that's how evolution works Why do why do things evolve? Because something happens that forces them to some situation comes up that forces them to change Usually something that happens to the environment they live in. Yeah Why does the cold keep changing because we keep releasing different medications? Yeah, so it evolves and evolves and evolves and evolves on granted We've been lucky so far that it just evolves into something. That's the same thing just just yeah, bro That doesn't yeah, you know thankfully it's you know, they keep saying how we're going to create super viruses But so far the things that are evolving aren't actually making us worse than what the original did It's just making it harder to treat Which is what it is kind of that's why the common cold will probably never have a cure but That's why I kind of like cold medicine doesn't treat the thing it just treats the symptoms. Yeah So just a personal take with me and yeah, yeah, I'd rather just treat the symptoms than worry about Telling my body how to fix something But doesn't yet by the way, it doesn't mean I don't support vaccines. Absolutely. Like vaccinate your kids, man. Don't be stupid. Yeah There's a reason that there's certain things that have been practically eliminated right because of vaccines, right? so breath of a wild timeline placement is kind of what I want to talk about because Generally when evolution occurs, you don't have this highly informed ball with the reto and then the Zoras are just still around And I've heard explanation that oh, you know, maybe travel back in time and that's where the Zoras are 100 years ago those roars are on or 100 years later now It's the reto and they're not actually together, but they all were blue scarves Which tells me they're all involved in the gameplay so far. We don't know that you can play in the past We know you can play in the present. Yes, so I'm assuming that it's not that complicated that they are all in the same world That Confuses me. The only way I think it would work is if like there was some part of Hyrule that got isolated isolated and kept the same Stipulations that the Zora have to live so I'm gonna throw this out here This is something that isn't too uncommon of a theory, but as soon as I saw this it felt like this Just confirmed in my mind and I could still be taking back the game could end up telling me something totally different But this is what I feel right now right now the Zola time line is one of the weirdest time I'm not not the weirdest in gaming. I think Kingdom Hearts kind of takes that cake because the story is so convoluted well, yeah, but Zelda is really weird in that it goes on a straight path goes in a straight path hits our greener time splits off in the three different timelines right and One of the timelines seemingly they pulled out of their ass because it's a timeline that can exist in any Zelda game Link dies. Here's a new timeline link and die in any game Yeah, so that's a crappy explanation to me because that means there's already infinite timelines that yeah Yeah, yeah, so whatever it is what it is They they wanted a way to explain away the old games because they didn't fit in with the new games That's basically what they read. I say old games only between worlds and 21st year It's also falls in the downfall timeline, but there are also games that don't necessarily Impact anything that happened in rolling to the past or the legend of Zelda, etc Anyway, so basically it was here's me about those arrow games Here's Ejinomo and Ejinomo's games do not play nice with those games So we're just gonna shove them off to the side and link died and that's when everything happened because I died Yeah the end So You have that then you have the other time that always made sense And this is because Ocarina of Time deals with time in fact it actually deals with a paradox in there the song of storms paradox where Link learns the song of time as an adult From the windmill music guy and saw the windmill in Kakariko village But link also after he learns it goes back as a child and he ends up being the one who teaches it to him Yeah, so it's a paradox because it's right. Yeah, how does he know how does it hot to the guy? Well, he knows that as a kid because he travels back, but how He didn't link didn't know the song until he was an adult Right, but he traveled back in time and as a child after he learned it as an adult taught it to him Yeah, so How did the guy know it to teach a human as an adult if like then this is the weird thing that happens when you travel in time Like all right these paradigms can exist and like the person who's traveling has all his memories, but you know It's weird like did I already traveled back in time and didn't know it and I like it's anyway It's crazy. It's great. So like when you're dealing with time, you know There's a lot of theories out there about how it works, but it can get really convoluted and what they did Here that made sense for splitting the timeline is that when you get to the end of Ocarina time You defeat again and Hyrule is saved. Yay. Praise. Praise. Praise Hylia. Praise the gods So it was like I'm so sorry That you lost your childhood because then it's gonna be travel seven years in the future So basically you lose your entire like age 10 through 17 age, which That might have a bad age Link it's no say in this And she just cries and says I'm gonna send you back to when you're a kid so you can live your childhood Okay, okay, well she sounds a back in time when he's a kid. I mean none of the events have been stopped yet So in order for him to stop those events, he's got to go to He they show him in in like the post game going to Zelda and basically telling her what's gonna happen Yeah, so it prevents everything from happening in the first place And then there's your paradox because you have we're not your paradox There's your there's your split because you have he defeated everything so that's still it was all the center back It's not like this all this on the back was no longer there So that that time is still going on when link is no longer part of the equation And that's what leads to the Wind Waker where Ganon came and there wasn't a link around to stop him And so the gods flooded everything yeah to make him stop because there's nothing to conquer. Yeah, what are you gonna? Create mass murder to stop a mass murderer made some total sense to me. Yeah. Um anyways, so So you do all that and then link in the Wind Waker isn't like a blood You he wasn't born as a hero. He had to earn the right to be the hero Which made sense because the hero bloodline and was gone it got sent back and it's not there anymore Yeah, so and then there's the link was sent back as a kid And then he stops everything happening and then he gets to go on in his merry way and have a happy-go-lucky life Which he doesn't because majority mask happens, but you know whatever that made sense That's why the split timeline thing started So now we have these three timelines because he knows one where he just dies entirely You know, I know people say oh, we don't know if he dies. He dies He does cuz you honestly think link with the travel the courage is going to stop unless he dies. He go and That's one thing that people theorize about the while. Yeah Well, he obviously didn't die 100 years ago when he was when he was battling. I'm like, how do you know that? Yeah, right or maybe Him being preserved wasn't his choice because he was going to die and Zelda put him in that chamber So like you don't know that right? You don't know that link didn't stand up there till he couldn't breathe anymore And then you know, it didn't have a choice ones all the same. It was like we don't know how that plays out yet I hope it's crazy, but I just think link with the travel the courage is no way I can stand me down as long as you can breathe, right? That's just the way that's what Travis Curtis does. You're not afraid. You just keep going at it even if you're losing so If these three timelines how much stuff happens on The adult timeline which is when link gets set back. So it's when the windmaker happens That's when the Kokiri become the Koroks Koroks are in this game in breath of the wild those are those little Little guys with flying around Okay, little tree stubs. Yeah, and then there is the Rito which again Evolved because of the flotty to Hyrule We're yeah, okay the Zora Die out so the Zora are no longer in all the games after the after actually not even in the one waker So they die out sometime in the events before the one waker and on that time It's a Zora's no longer exist Zora's continue to exist on the child timeline because the flotty no Hyrule never happens they obviously also continue to exist on the adult timeline or on the I'm sorry on the death timeline whatever it is the I Already forget what he's officially called anyways the time on where he dies They continue to live there because the world was never flooded Which is really weird. It's really weird because I know this is why I always thought it was the Using the excuse of him dying to the bad excuse because isn't it the same thing like if he If he's not there to stop Ganon and they flood the world. Yeah, and he dies So again, it's never stopped when they flood the world anyways That's what again. It's another thing like you're just throwing anyway Sorry, I'm getting too deep into the HCC's and the plot holes in the timeline. Um, so you have all that going on So so basically because Rito and Zora in the same game And in addition He's called calamity Ganon Yeah, and now I run with that that that timeline is called the downfall timeline. He already dies. Yes He Ganondorf is only called Ganon in the downfall timeline. Okay He is not he's called Ganondorf in all other situations In the other timelines. So You have calamity Ganon. Yeah, you have Zoras, which you Well, even more than Zoras. You also have wolf link in there for the amiibo and you also have a ruined castle town from twilight princess Um, maybe even the bridge of elden. We don't know 100% of that if it is the bridge of elden But it looked like the bridge of elden in some early footage So we have twilight princess references and then we obviously have clear wind waker connection with corax and Rito now And some people argue the art design or the great deku tree was also in the wind waker and also in ocarina of time So and this reference is back to ocarina of time Which you know, which means but we know this happened after ocarina of time because there's too many references back to ocarina of time. So To me This is a dragon break situation Yeah Where all three timelines Reconverge and breath of the wild is the point that it happens at something happened 100 years ago I made everything come back together right don't know what that something is don't know what the game is ever going to explain it Yeah, um because nintendo's honestly, I'm like good at storytelling But I think that everything's just going to come crashing together Yep, and we're going to have this solid timeline moving forward. Yep And to support this beyond What's happening in the game per se that we know about all the different races all the different references all the different landmarks Besides all that because that's just you know, we don't know you could argue. We don't know enough yet Which we don't there could be different ways they explain all this stuff that ends up keeping it in one of the three timelines it's that ej and oma who's come out and said in an interview that How do how do I phrase this? That breath of the wild Miyamoto agreed with him that breath of the wild redefines what zelda is Wasn't it wasn't it something along the lines of this is what they always wanted? No, that was that was that was uh that this is the essence of zelda. Okay This is different and the essence of zelda means like this is what zelda has always been Like this is the core of what like forget all the traditions. This is what zelda is They want to redefine what zelda is So you have the essence of zelda, which is this feels distinctly like zelda and then you have Redefining what that means. Okay. So they kind of work it against each other, but with each other to say right really weird So the last time they really did this was ocarina of time you could argue I argue it's only to the past because I think everything that ocarina of time does until the past It is just in 3d But whatever people view think ocarina of time is is that one so if whether it's only to the past where it's ocarina of time Reality is they haven't redefined the series in a hell of a long time Zelda won defined a series and then zelda to threw that all at the window Redefined it right away And then a link to the past no great time kind of brought it all back together and redefined what it was going to be moving forward And every game after it has been built off of it Um, we talked about this last week about you know, should this be the game that Futures all the games are built off of and I think when they say that this is going to redefine zelda That means it is going to be the game that the future games are built off of and if that's the case They need to Complicate the way the series works right now right because right now the one timeline ends with spear tracks Spear tracks doesn't even happen in traditional high rule. It's in a new high rule Okay, there is ganondorf has been killed. There is no more ganondorf The last enemy we defeated was maledis and there's no more maledis. So as far as we are aware There is no bad guys left That doesn't mean that there isn't but as far as we are aware as a player There is nothing left. We have not had a game after spear tracks and that came out in 2009 Um In the let me let me bring up the zelda timeline quick just to make sure I have the final game in each timeline right zelda timeline In The child era it looks like it ends with four swords adventures Yes, uh four swords in high rule adventures So I think there's a little two force. No, no the one four swords game happens before any time. So four swords adventures Happens at the end Of so it's sort of the princess one people remember four swords adventures. I guess happens after that at some point Um, it was very interesting since four swords in the other game related the four swords adventures happens before our current time But right again, I didn't do the timeline And the decline or the the hero is defeated ends with the adventure of length so We're at we're at this point where you have all these different endings and the series and each ending going distinctly different directions At the end of this timeline zelda's an rpg Okay, because the eventual next in rpg at the end of this time zelda's a multiplayer game Right for some adventures multiplayer game on gamecube. Yeah end of this timeline All the bad guys are dead and we're not even in high rule anymore and link rides a train Just saying yeah What brings this all together? So you have rpg elements you have multiplayer aspects And you have tech technology What brings this all together? I grab we don't know how multiplayer aspects. Yeah, anything to do with it. Yeah, but cool But you know, I it calls back more to twilight princess So they might even be skipping four swords references and just calling back the twilight princess But either way, yeah, um It just feels like this is what's happening and this is what's going to be moving forward They're going to uncomplicate all of this where one timeline ends as an rpg one and ends as a multiplayer game One that ends where all the bad guys are dead. They are just going to say screw that We're instead of scrapping the timeline because if they scrap the timeline in retcon everything and reboot the series People are going to get mad. Oh, yeah So instead they'd be like look we're going to explain this really crappily But we're converging all three timelines And now every game will be forward to put that breath of the wild all the stuff that happened in the past Matters in the past. It does not matter from breath of the wild Great. Um That's my theory. It's crazy. I know some people agree some people don't Sounds like it works for me And you haven't been theorizing about timelines like I have my whole life with Zelda, man I'm the third split really upsets me But I've always wanted the timelines come back together because I felt the series was getting too bound to the timeline if that makes sense um everything that happened with games had to be explained away in the timeline in some way And I didn't always like the way it did it and I didn't always think it felt it fit very well Now that the official timelines are I think they need to uncomplicate it into uncomplicated. It's bringing it back Um, and I feel like breath of the wild is doing it back. Don't know. Yeah, you know, otherwise Uh individual theories exist. It could be any of the timelines and there are numerous reasons that it can be Which is why I think it's all of them put together That's all I got That's it. 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