 This is the Daily Tech News show for Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt, Sarah and Roger and Joe and Amos. They're all around too. But it's time to look back on the year that was 2021. And as many of you know, we have DTNS, but we also have a longer show called Good Day Internet. So our producer Joe combed through both shows to look for some highlights that exemplify the big stories, the interesting discussions, the fun diversions we had on both shows. So here is the best of 2021. Enjoy. Have you had a chance to really like pay much attention to the CES stuff earlier in the week? The video that breaks CES out into the news cycle is some ABC Good Morning America's cameras on a phone that rolls up, right? A television that splits into a tablet that splits into a robot that can pour you wine. This year, you couldn't be there. So you couldn't have your host, you know, at the booth having the robot pour you a glass of wine, right? Because that's great TV. You can't do that. And I think that contributes to Ryzen winning Best of CES because it's a more conceptual thing plays better in a world where nobody's actually in any of the booths. And all the political events and everything else just kind of meant like we don't have a dry news cycle. So we don't need to fill a slot. Well, and yeah, although I do think that if there was a super compelling gadget, there is for the reason that we're going to do the show that we're doing today. That is not going to mention the politics stuff really at all, even in the way that we mention it normally on DTNS, that there would have been a place for the like. And and here's the thing that your kid's going to love. Cause CES is always a first and foremost to trade show. The whole kind of newsmaker aspect came like big newsmaker came a little later. Like where did those news stories start? No, those those news stories started with the companies that were producing them. They started outside CES was the was there was our platform to push it out, but it wasn't like that. Three major waves over the last 10 years, smart phones, televisions in general, for which has still been a thing. 3D televisions is an example for which of an empty hype cycle for which televisions went through and CES played a part in. I'm not saying they invented it. I'm saying that they are the clearinghouse of the rubber meets the road again in a dead news cycle where you can work where these stories become talking points on a level that they don't otherwise unless you are in this field. And then IOT the rollable foldable thing is equivalent to 3D TVs. And if it was a normal CES in a dry news week that it would it would be getting close to that. But I totally agree with everything you said. And in clam chowder. Yeah. There's vodka in my clam chowder. Oh, not yours, but if you want to be better. Why did no one tell Sarah this before? When you cook for a restaurant, a few shots into like, you know, three gallons worth of clam chowder. Alcoholic soup. No, that's. Have you ever tried alcoholic soup before you give it a bad name? We're not going to spend a lot of time on on the show. We had we had texted about it. Did we want to go into it or just do we want to go into hashtag, hell portal hashtag portal to hell regarding the suspension of the president from all these different platforms. We're going to have it in DTNS. It's going to be a quick hit. Like, yeah, part of like, here's all the technology stuff around what happened, but we're not going to have a big discussion about it. Is this appropriate for the platforms? Like, you know, in in the cultivation of the platforms own worldview, you know, when do you deplatform somebody when do you suspend them? Is there transparency on how long they're being suspended? What do they need to do to cure their suspension? Like, and what we saw yesterday is what we've seen from all these platforms forever, which is, you know, the whose line is it anyway? You know, welcome to social media where the, you know, we make up the rules and the points don't matter. So, yeah, we clearly have rules that we will follow and we just changed those rules. Yes, exactly. And I don't say that meaning I necessarily agree or disagree with their decisions. But if you're if you're, you know, trying to see them as neutral players, I don't think that's accurate. You know, them reacting to the moment, the controversy of the moment, and this is a massive controversy. I don't want to downplay what it is. And they're making it up as they go along because there's no precedent. Yeah, I've made my intentions clear that this is indeed a hell portal portal to hell. The only thing I would say is that this particular situation because of the gravity of it is not a portal to hell. It is indeed where we arrive after we have to go through the port. I mean, in the wide scale of things, you know, newspapers have been around for hundreds of years. Television has been around for almost 100 years. So, so they're learning right now. We can't look back and say, well, for a long time, it's been well established that this is what you do in that situation. That said, you can make judgments about like, OK, if they have to make it up as they go along, how good are they at doing that? I think that there is a tremendous problem with both Twitter and Facebook specifically that they created a message board without mods and only admins. And if you create a world without mods and only admins, however you want to define what those would be on those platforms, then every decision that is made is the decision from God. And that's the problem. No, but the community will moderate itself, Justin. That's it. I'm quoting Tom Merritt from Buzz Out Loud, Circuit 2008. Cloud was, so we had the net, right? That was the ability to even connect. Cloud was, we'll take your data and you don't have to have it local. What's decentralized? Like, if we get, I'm not saying we will, but my hope is that we end the next wave is a big decentralization. You get to control your data. It's not in any one place, so nobody else can control it, but you. What would we call that? Well, people talk now about data lakes. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah. What's a decentralized lake? Minnesota. A pond. Data pond. Yes, there's over a thousand of those. I still think data lake and data pond and like all that kind of stuff. Cause then you can have like rivers running between them and like oceans for the big one. Well, you know, if you make it a tributary or an estuary, then you can have like. So like a delta could be the edge of the public cloud and your personal. Oh, that's good. Your private cloud could be the, could be the freshwater and the public salt. Distributed. Yeah. It's distributed. So there's a bunch of these little lakes and then there's the ocean. And so it's the data. Then your data lakes works with the, with the, with the delta. Yeah. Underground. Yeah. I was going to say data. Right. Data dams. Reservoir. Reservoir. Okay. Yeah. Like your personal data reservoir. Right. Your data lake is your personal backup, but then you also want it to be backed up somewhere else securely. You need to have potable data. We do need to have potable data. Do not poop in my data kids. Oh, seriously. GameStop stock started January at $18 a share. Quite a bit up from the $3.30 a share. I'd have been trading at in the summer, but it rose even more 69% January 22nd, triggering a halt to its trading. Then Monday, this past Monday, January 25th, its trading was halted nine times. It reached $224 a share on Tuesday evening. And was passed $300 early Wednesday. Molly Wood. Why is this happening? How did this start? This is happening because I guess the sort of shortest possible version is that the internet has discovered the world's largest casino. And you have this sort of confluence of things happening. Right. Trading is way more accessible in part because of Robin Hood. You named an app Robin Hood. What did you think was going to happen? People remain super furious about things like the 2008 financial collapse and also shorting. And there's like no small amount of kind of Tesla fanboy rage that's playing into what were happening here. People were angry at all of this shorting of GameStop that also left markets totally vulnerable to what we're seeing today. And they've suddenly figured out how to apply crowd sourcing and actually what I've been calling Google bombing to the stock market. They're coming from primarily this Reddit board called Wall Street Bets, this subreddit. And it's existed for a long time. And it's a place to, you know, it's got like hardcore day traders in it. Some people who might have at some point been working for the same firms that are engaged in this activity right now. This, again, this combination of events, maybe a little extra money, maybe more time on their hands about the pandemic, maybe just this kind of like pent up rage about inequality and this kind of edgelord troll sensibility that just said, like, we can do this thing for the walls. You put this, you call it a dirty old trick, a trick that's been going on for a long time. Does this move the needle at all in any sort of regulatory direction or is it still just a dirty old trick that a bunch of internet trolls figured out how to exploit? I mean, I think it is just a dirty old trick that internet trolls figure out how to exploit. Like so far, all of it is legal. There are that we know of, right? There are certain rules around market manipulation. But I think that like organizing all your friends out in the open to all buy the same stock probably does not violate those rules. Short selling at least now doesn't violate any rules. And to be honest, if I, if, if I thought there was going to be a regulatory response to this, I, I would imagine that it would protect the hedge funds and not the Redditors. Like I don't think they're going to make rules against short selling. If anything, if they, if there is regulation that results from this, it will probably hurt individuals who want to buy into the stock market. And that's actually very bad. Like the worst outcome here is that by showing how manipulatable this system is and by doing things that are perfectly acceptable behavior, when they're done by hedge funds or even investment banks, it's possible that you would have regulators come in and go like, maybe we, maybe everybody who buys into the stock market has to be accredited or maybe if there's a certain amount of volatility and everybody's trying to buy the same stock at once, we just don't let them. Reddit's not saying GameStop's going to make a comeback. They're just saying, let's all pile in and buy it and screw over these short sellers. So you would have to find another way to say they're doing something illegal and you'd have to figure out who to prosecute. There's not a particular ringleader. Um, how a lot of big firms have bought the basically the rights to early trading information on Robinhood. They can, they can essentially front run these trades. So like a firm called Citadel might realize that everybody's buying into GameStop, get on board with that, make a ton of money, and then loan that money to bail out Melvin Capital and then have that money be invested later and make money on it. Right. So like at the end of the day Citadel's, by the way, if you're out there to read in this, their Citadel securities, which has a deal with Robinhood and then there's Citadel, which is doing what Molly's talking about. Um, and they're both going to benefit from this and they're both going to benefit. Exactly. Like at the end of the day, we shouldn't shed too many tears for what we think of the establishment investors, because all of those same investors are going to make money. Some retail investors on Reddit are going to make a lot of money. Some retail investors on Reddit are going to be left hold in the bag. Cause right now there's a lot of pressure on them not to sell, even though the stock is really high and they could have made a lot of money. And so then now you're going to have this weird game theory thing to see who sells first, which will cause the price to go back down. And some individuals may lose an incredible amount of money. The whole thing is, is it dangerous game? It's twisted and crazy. I just can't believe it's all over a company. I used to trade Madden 05 in for for 10 bucks. The incoming head of the Senate antitrust subcommittee, Senator Amy Klobuchar plans to introduce a new antitrust bill targeted at big tech companies that would place limits on acquisitions. If the bill became law, here's how it would shift the burden of proof onto companies with more than 50% market share. So that's how this, this bill would work. You, it would work by shifting the burden of proof and I'll explain what that means in a second and it would only apply to companies with more than 50% market share, which right now that's a lot of big tech companies. If you are one of those companies, you would have to prove that an acquisition would not create an appreciable risk of materially lessening competition. In other words, if this were the law now and Facebook were buying Instagram now, Facebook would have to prove that buying Instagram wouldn't hurt competition rather than what they had to do under the current law, which is having investigators prove like you would right under the way the law used to work, you had to prove that it would hurt competition for Facebook to buy Instagram. They want to change the law to say Facebook has to prove it won't. Some conduct would be presumed anti competitive unless the company can prove otherwise. So let's say Amazon shuts a company off its platform for what it says were violations of policy. Right now the company that got shut out would have to go to court and prove that it wasn't just a violation of policy. It's anti competitive. Under this bill, Amazon would have to prove why it was not anti competitive and a large company could face antitrust liability, even if the market in which it took place was not precisely defined by the claimant. There's a whole load of complicated case law around market definition. For instance, and we'll go down this rabbit hole now, but apparently Pepsi and Coke have been ruled in court not to be in the same market because brand loyalty makes customers less price sensitive. So Justin, this is just Amy Klobuchar trying this again. She apparently tried it in the last Congress. It didn't didn't float then got any chance of floating now. You need 10 members of the opposite party. So I don't know if immediately this would get all 50 senators from either party. It would be curious to see whether or not this is something that you could rally the banners and pitch a perfect game on if Amy Klobuchar wanted to get all of the Democrats on on board. Some might not see that it goes far enough because it doesn't break up certain tech companies. I'm going to Elizabeth Warren has pushed. Some might think that it goes too far on the, on the blue dog side, like on Joe Manchin. What I don't like about this kind of bill is having it targeted at big tech. I don't like laws that are made for specific companies and this reeks of that a little bit. What I do like about it is that it's not making major policy changes. It's just trying to adjust the levels and say, let's make it a little easier for someone to prove an antitrust case because we're going to shift the burden of proof. I haven't worked through all the implications of doing that. Maybe if I did, I would be horrified by it. But in principle, that seems to be a better way to go around adjusting things than to have these more extreme measures, at least to me. Hold on. We forgot something. Oh, let's check in with Lamar who's been illustrating today's show. Today's Friday. Yeah. So, yeah. So this is, um, this is a sad family who has a, I took a long time to draw this guy. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. They're sad because they live at the end of the zip code and they don't have internet. Right. Yeah. So we, Is that how it works? The person at the front of the zip code gets the one internet connection. Yes. Yeah. So your 30 cents can help this family. Oh yeah. Oh wow. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding? Tom, are you kidding me? I need no way. Your picture looks a lot, a lot like Lamar. What did you make this? It's very nice. Yeah. Super Bowl 15. Super Bowl 15. I don't count. Are you still Philadelphia with two L's? Uh, it looks like I did. Yeah. Okay. How about, uh, how about this turkey? That I drew. Okay. That is, that is, you know what? I don't, why don't. Here's a, here's a train that I drew. It goes to Chicago. Okay. I really do want to know, I'm with Sarah now. Why do you have these? I had a brief career as a cartoonist. This is super duck with two C's. We need a view. Super duck. I never finished the last frame apparently. It ain't. Justin, Robert Young. Yes. Going to Texas. I am. Yeah. You know, it's a, a city that has spent a ton of time in because of Brian and South by Southwest and, and, and all that. Uh, it just kind of, uh, feels like the right, uh, the right move. Although the fact that it is, uh, gonna snow here on Monday, uh, is, is not something that I'm excited about. Yeah. I know that it did that. You're going to get blamed is what's going to happen. People are like, Oh, you buy a house in Texas and then it snows. And it's nine degrees out of here. So like, uh, I'm leaving on Friday, uh, uh, what I've heard is that this kind of weather is once in a hundred years kind of thing. So in a lot of ways, I'm pretty excited that I'll be moving in because they got it out of the way. Yeah. So, uh, we, we can reset that clock to a hundred years. What was the movie about the room? Oh, that one, the one, uh, Franco. Yes. James Franco. I think, I think that was the last movie I saw in the theater. It was Christmas three years ago. Disaster. That's it. At the end of disaster artists, you know, when they kind of like roll the credits where it's like Tommy Wiseau, blah, blah, blah, you know, and it, and it's like no one knows where Tommy Wiseau is actually from fade to black. Where I was like, really? That's the end of the movie. Yeah. Oh, nobody knows where I'm actually from. I made up this whole backstory about Greenville, Illinois. And I'd never believed it paid some people off to Tom came out of a photo man with your, with your kind of like, oh, I'm like close to St. Louis thing. Yeah. And then people are like, wait, but you sound nothing like you're being like the people from that area. Tom, he even faked that, that little clip of him when he was much supposedly. No, that's the actual, that's an actual person. It's just not me. It was pretty obvious Tom. Yeah. I'm glad we're just finally airing it out. I know. Greenville. And I'm going to admit that this is a green screen behind me. It's, it's time to let go of all the illusions. I had to delete Tik Tok. I, I. You could say week for a story. Because, because why? Because it was too addictive. Absolutely right. Yeah. I downloaded it for a story because I was trying to find something else that was being, that was trending on Tik Tok. And I opened it up to search for that particular hashtag. And then 17 hours later, I thought, whoa, this is bad. I found the compliment rap battles where instead of tearing the other rapper down, you're trying to compliment them. I found some lyrics, some compliment battle lyrics here. Would you like to hear some example? Sure. I'm terrible at rapping compared to you. Your voice is nice and your hair is too. Give a high five to your parents, dude. That's, that sounds like. It rhymes. Okay. If props to your mums and props where it's due because they did a good job taking care of you. You should take a day off like Ferris Bueller. Ah, right. Yes. That's where the rhyme gets kind of fun. I like how your breath is fresher than 60 tick tax. You can bag a beat like those hickory stick snacks. You know, that totally sounds like the sugar no gank. It totally do that. And it would sound not out of place. Somehow you became water there, Tom. Jack Dorsey's first tweet has sold for 2.9 million. There's some, there's some NFT things where I'm just like, it's grown. It's newsworthy, but it's also grown worthy. Yeah. So help me with the metaphysics of this. Because mentally I'm looking at this and I'm like, okay, it's the first edition. Of course we printed the first edition to everyone who was in a bookstore. So there's, you know, well, it probably dozens at that point or maybe even hundreds. Like I don't know how many people were on Twitter when Jack sent his first tweet. Like how do you, you know, I mean, you're, you're asking for people, you're asking how people are objectively determining the value of something that's relative. I'm not, the charge with the market will bear not asking for objective value. What I'm literally asking is, you know, given that the first tweet happened over a decade ago and was published to everyone on the service at that time, which was probably a really short list. But, you know, is, is what is the first tweet, right? Because does a tweet exist until other people read it? If there are 50 people on the service or 50,000 people on the service, which one is the first tweet? Or did he basically say, this is the first tweet I sent and I am making it a thing and now I am selling your rights to the first tweet, which is like, you know what I mean? It's like, if lawyers made art for people who like to, you know, if lawyers made art for hustlers, it sounds a lot like this. Great that it made 3 million for charity. How searching for help online can be healthy. And I think we all agree that the last year has affected us all sometimes not in the greatest of ways. Mental health is a big concern. So if you want to help yourself, do you search online? Well, aren't you supposed to talk to a doctor? Isn't it kind of dangerous to self-diagnose? But Peter, you found some recommendations that searching for help with mental help online isn't always a bad idea. And you just have to go in certain directions, huh? Yeah. Yeah, it's really important to kind of evaluate the sources. Like anything on the Internet, if you're, there's going to be fantastic advice out there. And there's also going to be really, really terrible advice. So the trick is to figure out how to tell those two bits of advice apart. I was reluctant to kind of name any sources as being you can trust everything that these people say because I'm not a doctor myself. So I felt very uncomfortable offering that advice. So I guess the rule of thumb that I found in the last week looking at this stuff is just ignore the stuff that says that, hey, we're going to cure you of your anxiety or your depression by the time you get to the end of this YouTube clip or whatever it is. Anything that says that it's going to be an easy fix I think starts to feel a little bit kind of self-help guru-y and not so valuable. But I found that there were some really, really good sources. And to be honest, this all did come about because Google did an update to their search product where if you do a search on depression in both the United States and in Australia, you will be presented with this nine-question questionnaire which is used to screen potential patients at psychology departments around the world to see kind of where you fit on the depression and anxiety scale. Even with physical ailments, you know, you've got your arm. You start searching sore arm and the next thing you're certain you have some wild rare disease that you'd never heard of before because you're searching. I wouldn't also necessarily trust any of the recommendations I would see in some of these self-help kind of or support groups that I found on Facebook. But the very nature of just joining into one of those groups and seeing that you're not alone in any of the anxiety or depression that you might be feeling because this has been a really trying year as you said, Sarah, that it's not surprising if you're doing it tough at the moment. And there is absolutely no shame in looking at that, admitting that and seeking help. I try to think of it the same way. It's like my shoulder hurts. My shoulder still hurts. I'm a little worried about my shoulder. Well, let me go online and see if I can get some help from an expert. Well, does the shoulder expert who's telling me what I should do have credentials? Do they work for a publication that I like and trust? Is there a history of information in the past that has been helpful? It's like it's all kind of the same thing. And it's easy to say, oh, we'll just do it that way. But I think for a lot of folks, it's an ongoing process. Totally, totally. And the final thing I would say is just psychology and therapists can seem very, very expensive. But I didn't include this in the story because it had to be for print, so it had to be shortened. But you go to psychology in your state and do a Google search there. You'll find there are always kind of free clinics or free support out there. And quite often universities will have low cost people that you can see as well. So yeah, explore what is out there in the physical world as well as online. But online is a great place to start. When your eyes swells up from allergies, I don't know, just picking that at random, you go to the doctor. You don't feel ashamed, Tom. Yeah, yeah. You go to the doctor, you're like, hey, my eyes welled up. And you're like, oh, let me give you some medicine for that, right? Mental issues shouldn't be any different. I struggle with anxiety problems, but over the years doctors have tried different things and we've been able to track it down to most likely being something with my thyroid and thyroid medication has made a world of difference for me in managing it as has cognitive behavioral therapy, just to kind of deal with the symptoms. And there's no shame in any of that. It's like any more than there'd be like, oh, I had to put this ointment on a cut to heal this antibiotic ointment. It shouldn't be any different. As human beings, we're so good at being, you know, compassionate and supportive and empathetic to other people. But then we screw up once and we just, you know, we think about it constantly and we're so less compassionate to our own selves. The only safe comedy is a pun. Puns hurt everyone, Tom. Yeah. You could make a really tasteless pun. No one wins. Lyon Jim Video says I think puns are illegal in China and North Korea. They are illegal in North Korea. I believe they're just highly regulated in China. You have to submit your pun to a ministry. Okay. I thought you were being serious, darn it. For a second, you actually got me. This is Tom stand up routine. See the victim there was North Korea. No one minds. Okay. Hold on. Jim Video in our discord just sent an L.A. Times article titled No laughing matter. China's media regulator bans puns. 2014. L.A. Times. Oh, 2014. Yeah. The state general administration of press publication, radio, film and television issued an order restricting puns and irregular wordplay on television and advertising. Oh, wow. Because puns could mislead young readers and make it more difficult to promote traditional Chinese culture. Irregular. I mean, I guess that's true sometimes, but that's just more fiber. This is amazing. Well, I'm Chao Yu, the former dean of the School of Communications at East China Normal University said the big difference in the internet age is that the people who have the privilege of creating puns and idioms have changed. It's no longer restricted to the elites or the well educated. So we have to ban them. Yeah. Puns are running rampant. Yeah. You can't have that. You can't have that low brow everyday common man pun. Just running a muck. Can't just have anyone making a pun. Chaos. It's going to be nuts. I have finally met my harassing four legged rodent and I have dispatched him. Right. Anybody who's been following Roger's rat hunt. Rat hunt. Oh, that sounds like a great board game. Oh, audio listeners. I'm sorry. You cannot see that Sarah has achieved her dream. Oh. Oh. What? Is there something on my face? Yeah, your rat head. Is that a mouse though? That might be a mouse. It's very cute. Well, snap camera said it was a rat filter. So. Okay. All right. I'll take snap camera at its word. Yeah. And it's time to start the show. No. I feel like you guys could get over it, but I will, I will change it back because we are professionals. Sometimes people say you need a better camera. Oh my gosh. There's a spider on my monitor. Okay. I'll just keep going. But, but yeah, that's, it's sort of the, oh, you want to get into video podcasting. Start with that. It's relatively cheap and does a good job. And this seems like the, for 70 bucks, it's a, it's seems to be right in that, right in that wheelhouse. How's the spider? The spider is dead. Oh, well. I'm sorry. It just wasn't something I could deal with for the rest of the show. I understand. We understand. Yeah. Can I introduce you guys? I don't know if this is her, her DTNS debut, but my mom is here. Oh my gosh. Please bring Gloria onto our stream. Show yourself. Yay. Ladies and gentlemen. Presidential vote receiver, Gloria Young. That's me apparently. Yeah. Oh, it's nice to meet all of you as well. I feel like I know you because I've heard you on all of Austin's podcast, but yes, it's lovely to say hello. Well, that's great. It's, it's good to be here. Very happy to be visiting. You can tell us for real. What do you think of the house? I love it. Oh good. We just did a little Austin tour. We went to see the state capital. We went to SoCo. South of Congress. All right. Yeah. So it's cool. Love being here. Oh, that's great. Oh, it's so nice to say hello to you. Okay. Take care, everyone. All right. Thanks. Gloria. Gloria Young, ladies and gentlemen. Gloria Young. You know, it was your conversation with her on the PX three extra this morning that prompted me to tweet about 1979. Oh yeah. You just got a, you just got a very audible. Oh, she made her way downstairs. No. Oh, and Tom's least favorite pie is an apple pie, which says a lot. So, well, we, I don't know if you, you should know that me and Tom have a too much of this relationship, you know, again, I tell everyone this. Of course. And of course it goes to pie. How un-American is that? You got me on the ropes now. So nothing I say, nothing I say can, can get me out of this apple pie hole that I've been casted. Again, I'm, I'm all American classics when it comes to pies. See, cherry pies is number one for me. That's the best. That's because you're a grown man, loving such a sweet surprise, sweet cherry pie. I'm a big warrant fan. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. You find everybody had a cherry pie. You're just singing the song in the background. But I have the CD single from Warren right now. If you'd have had that, I might have just. And I don't know how to break my tie for third because pumpkin sweet potatoes, like they're. It's a difficult conversation because you're like, no, I know. I know what I like. And then you're like, oh no pumpkin. I mean, number one. I feel like now is the right time to admit that I've never had a sweet potato pie. No, we, we all know, we all know you haven't had a sweet potato pie because you put pumpkin pie so high. I might find out. I've got a pie guy. He'll make it. He'll freeze it. And I will ship it to you overnight. I have a pot. Wait. I said stuff. I'm not playing. I accept. Yes. It's going to happen. I'm so excited. That was the pleasantest of shows. Oh, I'll tell you what, it was, it was double stuffed, man. It was in the red lights. That's always good. And you were thinking that we were Lyndon Baines Johnson the way that we were dangerous, dangerously ignoring the reds. That you, that's a winner right there. There is somewhere I just know there. It's a hundred percent. I just, it's just like curry level confidence with the jokes that Tom will. Talk about first party targeting, right? Oh yeah. No, that was full of personal information. That was, that was pre pre Cambridge, analytical pre apple ad shutdown, Facebook level targeting. The only one person who would enjoy that joke more than I did was Richard Nixon. I can't remember the boat Judas priest guitarist. Do you hear about this? By the way, what I don't think I have. Okay. So he had a, he had a bypass or something. It's a recent story. Recent story. He did a hard bypass thing, whatever. He's, you know, getting on his ears, but a great recovery. Doing great. They're on tour. They have a new album. So he's up there. All those old Jews, priests, guys up there and he's wailing on some solo that he's famous for. And then during that, he could tell something was wrong, but wasn't totally sure what, but apparently one of the valves or something busted and started just pumping blood into his chest cavity. While he's doing this, this, you know, the solo, epic solo. Yeah. And he finished it before it went anything about it. Yeah. Which tells me that that's the most metal thing anyone's ever done before. That's the most metal thing I've ever heard of. I'm having, I'm literally having chills right now. Just, I know, right? If I remember the story correctly, but he went off stage for a few minutes and was seen for it. And then went back out and finished the show and then went to the hospital. Yeah. He thought he could just get through it. That's happening right then while he's going, his heart's all, I don't think I could watch that. Yeah. It was hard. It was hard for me. Anytime I have an anxiety attack and anybody who has anxiety attacks knows this, you have to convince yourself you're not having a heart attack. My greatest fear is that I will do too good of a job and convince myself I'm not having a heart attack when I'm actually having one. My. Exactly same thing. It's just an anxiety attack. I'm fine. I didn't know you and I shared that one thing because I do that all the time when that happens. Yeah. And you do, you get good at it. Right. So you're controlling it. You're good at knowing when they recognize in the mind killer fears, but then eventually when it really happens, if it does, are you going to be all? Oh, I know what this is. I'll just do routine. Just calm down, Tom. Yeah, calm down. Do your, do your guitar solo while your heart fill your chest filled with blood. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah. This seems fine. Yeah. This is fine. Is it possible to summarize the metaverse Nate? Heck, I'm going to do my best. I think there is this expectation that a lot of people have that the metaverse is actually something that we can define today. And it's something that companies like Facebook and Microsoft now are trying to do. And it generally feels like most people's perception is that the metaverse is just around the corner and it's something to do with VR and 3D worlds. The reality is much, much more likely that what we think of the metaverse as being is probably 10, 20 years away from now. Take a little step back. A key component to what will make the metaverse a metaverse is not whether it's 3D or not. It's not whether it's VR or not. It's whether objects, things, experiences, purchases, objects, things can move from one bit of a metaverse to another and retain that portability, retain that value. You can take that virtual object and you can go and put it in something in Minecraft. Or you can move it over to something you're playing in Roblox. Or if you're a child and you're playing Roblox and you've built something or you've created something, but then 10 years later you're older and you're not playing Roblox anymore, but you really like that thing that you did. In a metaverse, as we envision it, you should be able to take that from Roblox and take that with you. As you grow mature, that thing that you have should be able to move with you. And you should be able to pass it on and sell it or what have you. It should retain that value. If you think back to the early days of the web, the web was created after the internet. It was a thing you could use the internet for. But it was created by researchers and scientists and the military to a certain extent and geeks in schools and in research facilities. And it wasn't driven by a commercial interest, shareholders and so forth. Do you think that fits in with what Andrew Bosworth was saying at Facebook Connect when he described it as something in the internet right now is something you look at when the metaverse has kind of arrived. It'll be something you're in. I agree with part of it. I think VR will be a way of interacting with the metaverse in the way that a high resolution screen is a better way of interacting with the web than a very low res, tiny little screen. It's fundamentally underneath the surface underneath the screen or the VR glasses or whatever. The information, the objects, the experiences, they're all basically the same but are the ways in which we interact with it. That's kind of how things are being shaped and made exciting frankly and probably made commercial. So I would agree with a lot of what he's saying, but it's going to be very interesting. But I'm skeptical that any one company can do this. It has to be open by design. Man, we're getting zoom-bombed. Who's that? Who just joined the call? I don't know. Who is this mysterious person? Why are we saying zoom? Because people understand that term, even though you say Skype-bomb. Hey, Sarah Lane! Hi! Hello. I'm sorry, I missed the good day internet. Oh, you missed it was great. But I'm here now. How's it feel to be back on the saddle there? It feels good. It feels really good. I kind of hope to be back sooner than this, but... Understandable. Really, really glad to be back. I missed everybody a lot. We missed you too. Thank you. Do you see all those Sarah emojis in chat right now? It's like a wall of Sarah. I'm not looking, but thank you in advance. Don't make me cry. We won't. All right. It wasn't all fun, but in general, that was a lot of fun. That's it for this episode of DTNS Slash GDI. We're live Monday through Friday, usually 4.30 p.m. Eastern 2130 UTC. Of course, we're not live again until January 4th, but starting January 4th, go to DailyTechNewsShow.com Slash Live. And we're back tomorrow right here in this feed with our predictions results show, where we're going to judge how well we predicted the tech landscape of 2021 back at the end of 2020. No one should have to spend New Year's Eve alone every year. Ritual Misery presents the Diamond Club New Year's Eve stream a thought 27 hours of raising money for sick kids to extralife.org. This year, Sarah and Tom, that's me, will be bringing in the new year with a live show. Join us on New Year's Eve at 2330 UTC 1530 Pacific for good year internet. 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