 Are we all ready on your end then Nina? I am. Fantastic. Good evening everybody. Welcome to tonight's talk. My name's Sam and I'm excited to be your host this evening. I'm a climber, I'm an alpinist and a runner among some other things. When I'm not in the outdoors, you'll find me in Ellis Brigham in Manchester. So if you're ever in town, please feel free to pop by and say hello. For tonight's chat, we are joined by our third class lead, Nina Capre. Thank you for being here with us tonight, Nina. Thank you for inviting me. Our pleasure. Over the next 40 minutes or so, Nina will chat about her latest film, Mercy La Vie, where she opened up a new climbing route on the north face of the Igo in Switzerland. This is arguably the most difficult route on the Igo at the minute. There'll be an opportunity to take your questions that's throughout the presentation. If you're watching on Zoom, please pop them in the Q&A at the bottom. We're also live on Facebook. So if you're watching over on there, please pop your questions into the comments. We've got somebody on there monitoring them. I'll now hand over to Nina and I hope you all enjoy this presentation. Thank you very much. Thank you, Nina. Thank you. So yeah, I wanna talk a little bit about the route on the Igo. It's a very special route called Mercy La Vie. To me, it's very special because with two friends of mine, Sean Villanueva and Roger Shelly, we opened that route during one summer. And then the summer after we sent, so we reclaimed the route. So it's pretty cool actually to be in the part of the creation and then also just sending the route. So Mercy La Vie. Okay, just go. Here we go. To me, I never pick up goals just because, just because I should do it or whatever or it's super, I don't know. To me, it's always like certain circumstances they make that I pick up a wall or then a line and it's pretty awesome actually. So in summer 2019, I spent a bunch of time in Switzerland in general. And it was the first time I climbed on the Igo North Face, which is for a Swiss person, pretty big day, I would say. And on top of that, my family was there. So it was really a good combination of like climbing and then going back down to Greenville Wald and enjoying family and the kids and stuff. So I first climbed the route La Vida Silbar with my colleague and it is a really, really, I would say a really big day. We actually plan to climb that 900 meter route in two days. But then at some point, it was just, everything was just rolling and we decided to do like a one day push. That was absolutely great. Climbing like, I think we were climbing for 20 hours in that big phase of like the Igo North Face, which is actually like a 3000 meter high wall. And it was a good climb, good combination between like very solid steep rock and pretty tough and high exposed like alpine style as you can see here where it's definitely not allowed to fall. Anyways, I'd like, I don't know, just right after dark we arrived at the top and since we left our bivy stuff, back in the bivy, we rappel down for like three hours. We stuck a rope, we had to cut the rope, just like somehow typical like big wall adventure. And then that is the big bivy we spend the night at or at somehow the night at and we were pretty lucky because the next day a big storm came up and our decision was really good that we climbed La Vida Sibar in one day. And also like it has never really been done before, except our colleagues like Sean and Roger, they made like a one day ascent. Sean was the first freeing that route in a day and I was then the second person. And on our way back with Emerick, we crossed ways with Sean and Roger because they went back to the route in the lower part to have like a little photo session and we rapped down. But that was pretty awesome to meet them in the middle of the wall. And yeah, that's just, I don't know, we were super happy that everyone was still alive and everyone was pretty, you know, happy, successful. And after that, that's often when you kind of spend time with some climbers on the wall, you often also just share like rooms, you share a flat and this is actually like Roger's flat. We turn out to be the total base camp for so many climbers during all summer. And of course, gypsy climbers, everyone just crashed in and we slept on the balcony and we had really good barbecues and we made some tarts and cleaning and all this stuff. And it's really important that you have also that feeling with a person that, you know, when you go for a wall, you can really trust them and it's just the feeling is there. So one day Roger came up with the idea to open a new route because he's like the deal local person in like Ringelwald. I think he climbed the Eiger for 54 times now and he knows so many things over there. So he asked us if he wanted to climb on the Eiger and open a new route and then it looked like they won. Here you are, it's not our adventure. So this is actually a part of the Eiger to its right. Maybe you heard about the pillar of Geneva. This is the one Gennifer file called. So it's not like a very, very high part of the wall but it's kind of high, it's like eight to 10 pitches along the routes in there and one really famous is D plus C and so we opened a new route just on its left and Roger actually started that project already two or three seasons ago but he found nobody who wanted to follow or just to who had really had, I don't know, experienced enough to attack this really steep part of the wall. And so we bolted like ground up and I don't know if you ever have bolted in your life but it's pretty exciting, especially when it's on limestone. It's super intimidating, it's really hard to read the line. It's not so hard to read the rock. Often you can see like yellow parts are pretty shitty rock like often in our faces and like the gray perfect rock is just so solid. So it's kind of tricky to find like really the best line in always good rocks. And of course we found also some really poor rocks and it is really, I would say, I would say it's exciting but it's also scary to hang on on your hooks and like the drill machine is on the bolt below and your tagline is always kind of fucked up. So, and you have all the gear. It's not like track climbing in granite where you just have like really good solid cracks. You place gear, it's all good. It's like on limestone, it's not so solid or I don't know, it's just more difficult. So we shared the bolting and it often took like two to three hours to open a pitch just like ground up. You look pleady destroyed afterwards like super destroyed like no more energy, your nerves are pretty and high tension. So the key for that is definitely to have like good Swiss chocolate in the wall, to have good partners, to have a lot of tape because you're just bleeding everywhere or at least I was bleeding from all the hammering. And so we shared the parts. Everyone of us did some leading, bolting, ground up. Sometimes we shared also the pitches when it took too long. And honestly, when it takes a long time, well, that's what Sean and I did. As you can see like Roger, I think he was for two hours in that pitch and it was super hard. And so we just switched the layers, we took a nap in the wall and everything is good. So Merci la vie was, it is really, really lucky that Roger knew the wall like so good. But from time to time, so we just went to a wrong place like on the picture to its right. You can see Sean trying and trying and trying and there was just no way to go up. It also drove us to a part where really the rock is really poor as you can see on the left picture, picture on the left. And that's the coolest thing, like with bolting. So you go first and you do like a ground up bolting, a first ascent. And then after that, you kind of try to remodel the route if it needs to. Sometimes when you're on a belay station, you can see from the top then, oh, that would be better to go a little bit more to the right or a little bit more to the left. So sometimes it happens that you just place like two outer balls to give it another direction. But yeah, that's the game. And check this out. Like this is really cool. Yeah, where are we? North face of the anchor. I would say in paradise. North face of the anchor. In paradise. Mythic. My mythic. So that's pretty unique. I think it was in August. There's like at the end of the month of August, there is the sun hits the wall a little bit at the end of the day. And once you've been freezing and spent all day in shade, just like bolting and drilling and like being scared like that little sunshine is just, oh, it's really rewarding. And yeah, as you can see in the picture to the left, there's also a lot of shade, a lot of cold weather windows, a lot of big clouds coming up. We found ourselves once in a super big thunderstorm. Just, it just came from the back of the anchor and it just, we got caught in it. And it is super epic, super epic kind of freaked out. And at the end of the day, back at the beanie, you feel pretty exhausted and, but at the same time, so happy. Like the things you share on the wall because actually it is mostly like a little bit of fear and unknown and excitement, you feel super relieved and also super profoundly connected with the place you are and the people you are. And just, I don't know, I'm often like at the end of the day, I was so overwhelmed with like feelings and, yeah, I don't know what else to say. So as I told you, like Roger is a very good alpinist. He's more famous for his really hardcore Adesense and he bolted so many rides at the, route at the Eigenort phase and he actually was a big teacher or a big teacher. Yeah, he taught us so many things about bolting and all the techniques and all the skyhooks and whatever copperheads, like so much gear at him. I've never used actually, it's, you know, it's just always down in my cave and I never use it. So that was interesting because it's super important to be like, if you open up a route to be a very balanced crew. So Roger was definitely the strongest person when it came down to bolting techniques. And Sean was just so strong in his climbing and has so no fear that he was super efficient and so rapid. He also took the biggest falls, I would say. And I was come out somehow just like there in learning and my climbing skills were definitely really good. Like I had a lot of power, I learned fast and so yeah, that was great. We were really, really, really great crew. We never took like super stupid risk or so but still we try to place only bolts when it was necessary. And if there was a crack or just like a natural feature we just place slings and like cams and other stuff. So it made it a little bit spicy but not that too much, not dangerous. That's Sean working on one of the pitch and top rope. So if you're like a group of three or even like more people, the good thing is that someone can somehow bolt and the other person can check out the brand new fresh line and just see if it works or it doesn't or cleaning. Cleaning is always a big part of opening a new route. This is Roger and the golden light and you can see the view on Gringold in the background and you can see really this enormous wall. Here we go, that's me and like trying one of the hardest pitch of the route. It's an 80 plus, very overhanging, super bumpy, 40 meters around like incredible, like how steep the rock is there, how solid and like how dynamic and how big the movements are. It's so much fun to climb in. And yes, like I told you before, bad weather surprises one day, we're just totally stuck in this fog and then a really big thunderstorm came up and yeah, after the rain, the sun. That's really eager how it can be so surprisingly like bad weather, although like a half an hour ago it was just really good weather. That was I would say one of our lost days opening the route. So we opened the route in three sessions. No, wait, two sessions. So first session we were on the wall for four days and a month later we finished our routes and we were spent another three days on the wall. Now that was on our last day when we finished our route, we freed actually all the pitches like one here, one there, one person here, so we knew it was really possible. And that was really a great end of the Iger season. Back to the bd, very dirty, very snobby. But yeah, the fatigue is a really positive thing to me. Really remember like how much we can really put into an effort or how much we can just believe in like creating a new thing and how much fun it is. Like we were, we had so much fun. And since Roger lives in like Grindelwald since ever he has of course all his good connections and like all his good links. And so we ended up actually in a four star spa resort Roger had just to do a little phone call and that's where we enjoyed ourselves after this exhausting opening route session on the Iger. But you know what? It's kind of cool to relax and to lay down and to enjoy yourself. But after a while, I just miss it being out there like feeling this energy of nature and like this capacity to living this moment on its fullest because you're out there and you're super focused and that's a great, that's a great. So for me, it was pretty clear that the season after I wanted to go back and being in a good shape and to free all the patches in a day. And so that's what I did. I checked out and I asked Marcos Costa, really good, a climbing partner of mine if he would be psyched to check out the route a little bit. Roger had actually the opportunity to send the route to free the route a little bit early in the season. He was just jumping on a wetter window because climbing in the Iger is not so easy. It often rains, it's often wet. So it's actually really rare, pretty rare week where you can spend a lot of time on the mountain and it can change super fast. But Marcos and I, we found a really good wetter and he was super psyched to join me on that route just to check it out, to clean a little bit and just to discover this pearl, I would say. We had so much fun out there. I have to say I was a little bit surprised about the route. I had some memories of the route from last summer, but I have to say that so many parts of the wall or parts of a, I don't know, a pitch, it was just the white, I imagine that I was so tired or so exhausted that I just skipped that part or maybe I was just so destroyed from opening one pitch and then the next one, I was just jumoring or whatever, top roping, but not really climbing. So I was actually really surprised about how, yeah, just about the route in general. And for people, that's one of the best beavers in the world. Like if you ever have the chance to go and to hike up towards the Iger, like let me know and I will tell you where that beavers spot is. It's so pretty. It's actually just, you have to walk up like 10 more minutes and then you can, you are at the pillar of Geneva. And it's, wow, it's so, so, so pretty out there. Like in those moments, I feel so connected with the nature and my sport and with who I am there. Like I'm just really, really so grateful for what I can do, what I'm, the freedom I have and damn, yeah, it's awesome. And then Marcos had to leave and Roger offered to give me a catch that I will be able to free send the route as well. So Roger, the local hero, just joined me. I asked him if he would be, yeah, just happy to give me ballet. And he was, so as I told you, he was able to send the route a little bit earlier in the season and was really excited to go back and to support, like fully support. We were filming a little bit, we took some photos and to him it was super relaxing and he just enjoyed himself and the route. And he of course, does supplied me with some really good Swiss cheese and some really good chocolate. This is actually really the base of when you climb a wall. It's like something really good self-safery and a really good chocolate. So it's fun. Roger being with Roger is super fun. He is super familiar with the wall, with the place. He is a really good, he's very, very supportive. That's him climbing in top route while I was sending. And yeah, I felt super comfortable being up there with him, with the people I opened the route. Unfortunately, Sean was still at that time stuck in Patagonia. I think he still is actually. Yeah, since COVID, he never came back actually. And so yeah, that was a bummer that the crew wasn't complete, but Roger was there and that was great and I felt super safe and super confident and I had to try really hard. But yeah, I made the free ascent and I think it is something very, very special when you and a team were a team of three, you opened the route and then you send her out. It is another feeling, but I would say even more than your proper sense is it really makes you happy to support other people or to see other people sending you route. And then you ask, hey, what do you think about it? Like, is the line logical? Like, how are the protections? Do you find it's okay, spicy, whatever? It's just so exciting to be, yeah, to create or something new. And then other climbers, they go and they enjoy theirself so much and they have so much fun and it's, yeah, I haven't experienced that too much. Like only three times I would say, opening like a really long, long route, but it is something very, very special. And then, yeah, one more like Switzerland, Interlochen, Jaeger, it is, to me as a Swiss person, although I've lived since a couple of years in France, it is a very iconic mountain and more than that, I feel that I've been lucky to do so much traveling. I've had the chance to see so many places on the earth and so many things, but yeah, still like Switzerland is just one of the best. Like, there's nothing to say, it's one of the best. And so here you can have a look at a topo. If some of you are excited to go there, the topo is also on my website. And I'll be super happy to give you some advice. If one time you wanna go there, it's true. Yeah, I'm super proud of the work with it. I'm so proud of this pretty pearl and just experience was very unique for me. So thank you, thanks for listening. That was it. Well, that was great. Thank you very much, Nina. It looks like an incredible route. I like how you've left the topo up there for us all to aspire to something. It might be a little bit of time before I'm on that one, to be honest. Maybe. And so I think there'll still be some more questions coming in. But if you're happy, we've got a few ready to go to ask you. Sure, sure. Should we go back to my screen order? That works for you. Maybe the inspirational topo or a nice inspirational photo will look good on screen, might we discuss the questions? I know. We can also chat. That is true. It's true. So first of all, can we know a little bit more about where the name for the route came from? Where did that, where did that originate? So the name of the road describes actually the vibes on the wall. Like, sometimes you take risk when you're out there and it is, it's not always super safe and it can't calculate everything. So every day when we're back at the BV, we were just saying that, like, merci la vie, it's like such a present and we're so lucky to be there and to share this really incredible adventure. And also, I mean, I don't like taking too many risks because I really love life and enjoy it on its fullest. And we lost some of our partners, climbing partners or just friends, like on that wall on the Eiger or somewhere else in the mountains. And it is also homage to people we lost on that mountain. But it really describes like this magic, this magic like ambiance we had on the wall, like with just perfect sunsets and like the four AM alarm clock and just this big laugh on the wall. Like we had so much fun on the wall. That was great. That's fantastic. What a great name for the route then. And we've had one question come in and it was basically if you could describe a little bit about the process of how you chose where the line of each pitch would go, were you just looking for natural features or was it a little bit more, or were you having to search a little bit more for the route? Yeah. So as I told in the presentation, Roger is a local guy there since ever. He opened, I would say he opened at least five routes on the entire like face and he spent so much time there. So he knew which part is like good rock and where is the possible potential to set up a really good line. And so he checked that out from far or also just like from close, from the routes close to and he had a really good idea where it could be possible to frequent. But then actually once in a while, it's a total other story because it's imagine like one part was really like it was a big overhang and you're just there and you're like, huh, should we start to our right or to our left? Like what's after? Like we can't know. And so sometimes you just bail, you go and then there's like, it's just not possible or there's just too much like loose rock or just yellow rock, which is pretty sandy. So it is actually pretty tricky. And once more, well, often you just go and you follow natural features, of course, but then sometimes it's just so hard. There's just little crimps and little edges and there's not really like the line. So you just go and try and try and you try with your skyhooks and another skyhook and another skyhook and if it doesn't work, well, go back down. It sounds terrifying to both me and Paul. She doesn't know where we're going, but okay. No, but I mean. Fantastic. It sounds terrifying, but I mean, I don't know. It's just a super exciting thing. And the more you feel comfortable, the more you can really just open up your vision and the more you're terrified, the more you're just like, oh my God, there's no obvious hold in like around like a meter here. So it's like in climbing. Once you're super terrified and super in your red zone, you can't even see your feet anymore. And that's somewhat the same with opening. And when you're kind of, yeah, relax, you're like, yeah, I should take a step, not a step back, but I mean, I should look more and be more calm. Fantastic. I mean, what an experience. What an experience. We've got a question in the chat from Jennifer. She was, she said there are so many fantastic films about male climbers and how can we get filmmakers to focus or provide a little bit of balance by focusing a little bit more on female climbers? Do you have any insights on that? So what about the films she was saying, talking about? No, there's not any films mentioned specifically. It's just in general that there are so many films specifically about men and how many get some more films about females in general. Well, I think the main problem is that men, they need to nourish their ego. So they love the love making like YouTube videos and like, you know, showing how strong they are and whatever. It's a little bit like a phenomenal man I can somehow, you know, just see. And also I think it's because like men and women, they climb so differently. Women would never say, hey, look at my climb. It's so smooth and it's so effortless. And I'm just totally balanced. It's more just the thing you feel and you do, but you would not be like, hey, look at me. I climb so well. So let's video that. And men often have tension to be like, oh my God, look at this, I know I just did. We should film that. And we should publish it in the YouTube video. That was so great. So this is like, maybe, maybe I'm just, maybe it's really not the truth, but I can see that. And I think it doesn't really matter if you're like men or women, if you want to inspire people. It is not a thing you put an effort on it. I mean, you can't force yourself, telling yourself, okay, I want to inspire people. What kind of video can I do to inspire people? It's more just like a natural thing that comes up and it's a big effort, like making climbing videos. If it's not like just filming a boulder where you can just have a static cam and, you know, sit down with a camera, it's complicated. So I don't know if many climbers are really have the capacity to set up static road or just to deal with all the technique and logistic about, you know, just sending a cameraman up there. But I don't know, I don't have the answer. Like, I think it's just a thing that should be naturally. And I don't know. It sounds like it's progressing in the right way anyway now, isn't it? And there's more and more, more and more films coming out focusing on phenomenal achievements by everybody. So hopefully naturally things are gonna start to balance themselves out as well a little bit. And people like yourself are certainly leading the charge there with films being made about them on fantastic routes and helps. This is true. I think it's maybe also a reason because you, how do you say, like the promotion, the self-promotion today became such a big part of the climbing that it's often when you imagine you're like a young climber star starting today, like everyone is telling you, hey, what is your Instagram account? And this puts a lot of pressure on like people. They're like, yeah, I do climbing and actually I have to show something, right? Versus when I start climbing, I was just, there was like no social media short. And when I wanted to make a film, it was just, I really wanted to communicate and to spread out a message and to show that the fun and that adventure and to that people can take part of it. And today is more like, I have to do something. I have to show something. And it can often be a little bit, I don't know. It's not a poor communication, but it's maybe the sense of what you really feel when you climb is maybe not so there because it's more like impressive when you do like a big job or it's more just like this hero system is pretty easy and in like socials, but making a film is hardcore work. Well, I mean, you made it look easy. So well done. No, it's not. So we've got a question from Adrian. You'll have to excuse my very garble pronunciation here. He says, very impressive. Any recommendation for a first try again for a failure? For a first try? For a first try. Yeah, definitely like deep to sea. Like deep to sea is that the route just to the right of Merci la Vie. It's a very solid like seven, all the pitches are in between, I would say 60 plus and seven B and it's very solid. Like the grades are really hardcore. So, but it's a classic one to do. Like absolutely like perfect rock and this blue limestone, like super, it's super, it's mega, mega, really. Fantastic. I mean, all the routes there just look fantastic, just look amazing. And we can all hopefully climb there one day. Yeah, you should. So yeah. So we have a question about your climbing partner is Sean and Roger. What were they like as partners? And obviously Sean is quite a big personality from what everybody is seeing in numerous climbing films and on Instagram and in other areas. What's it like to climb with the two of them? Honestly, like Sean is not quiet. Once he is a confident and he's really, he enjoys like spending time with you, he talks so much. Like he is like constantly talking and laughing and like joking around. It's like, it's so the opposite of what he is when he's not, you know, really comfortable. And it's amazing. Like his flute is always there. He really loves like nature, everything we can eat from nature. He's up to, he's super solid in his psych. Like the hat is really good. He's not really, I don't think that he's really afraid of like something. Although once like a skyhook like broke, I don't know, like a whole broke, he took a fall. Like it was so big. And I don't know, in the fall, he somehow switched around and Roger and I were on the belay and he just screamed and he was looking at us like a while to fall and he's like, ah, that was so good. So I think he was afraid a little bit then but it was super, super nice. A crack in the eye. Yeah. So it's actually a really fun person. Yeah, big connection to nature. And Roger is a little bit more, he's super experienced. He isn't like just the most talented climber ever, I would say, but this is not negative like he, but he has so much power and he can read lines like so good and always he's super, he's always taking care that everyone feels great. Like it can be at the home, at his home, like he invited all the time everywhere. He really managed that the vibe is so great and the same on the wall. Like he's super well organized, lots of experience. And I don't know, he just wanna have a good time on the wall too. So actually really two partners, you can, you have a lot of fun with. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, so I mean, it looks like you had a great trip with a great couple of trips just done. Yes. Yeah, kind of what we all love about climbing is that sort of camaraderie when we're out. Yeah, if we're on the north face of the Igo or if we're on something a little bit smaller in the UK, it's all the same, it's all great fun. Yeah, so true. So how has coronavirus impacted your climbing in the last year and a half or so? Have you been able to get out much with the restrictions that have been in place? Well, it changed a lot in my climbing wise, like climbing, life, climbing career, it really changed a lot. I would say it has a very, very positive impact on my person, on how I, who I wanted to be or where I wanted to go. I think more and more, well, I'm 33, it's not like super old, but the older I get, the more I wanted to do things more quietly and more just really like for me and not just being all the time like super busy and like having this event and that and dash and this climb and that climb and whether just all this excitement, I was a little bit tired of it, I would say. So it actually had a really positive impact. So the first lockdown was, well, more than a year ago now. That was really good. There was like no climbing and it was interesting to see how my reaction was. It wasn't easy, not at all, especially because I had like a plan, like a big project in summer then in Switzerland. So it was always under the stress like, I think I lived like the typical hyper-crazes of a climber who always says, we're so free person, we're so free. But at the same time, if you can't climb, you get crazy. And so to me, it's not really the sense of like freedom. Like, and also you have to go climbing, like you feel good when you climb, you wanna feel physically fit and so. So I realized that to me, well, maybe it's just to me, it was a little bit controversial like this, oh my God, I feel so free as a climber and at the same time, oh my God, if I can't go climbing, it's killing me. That was good, I learned that. And then honestly, Switzerland was pretty easy, pretty mellow in the summer. I did so many good climbs, like the radicons spend a lot of time or just cragging and then jigger. So that was good. Friends is a little bit harder. It's a, well, night now, we're in another lockdown where it's just everything is closed and shut down. But I don't know, I just had so many things evolving in my life recently that this is not like freaking me out. Like, I don't know. It's almost like a race fight for me. I don't know, I have so many other projects going on, like the project in the theater, like working on a truck, building a climbing wall in a truck. And I don't know, I just learned to have like more, just to be super in, super, how do you say, in agree with what I do and if what I want. And I think it's fine. To me, it's more time not to climb in the way I wanna climb, but to share more and more. Really to share this like passion we have and like to make climbing possible to everyone. And just opening up like a little bit the horizon. So it's actually, I don't know, to me it was super positive. I feel very more settled, not settled, but calm and in peace. Fantastic. I'm glad to have, glad it's been a good experience for you. And you've got, sounds like you've got things to look forward to as well coming up, which is great to hear. And kind of what places and projects are you most excited about? Hopefully once coronavirus starts to die down a little bit, what are you excited about getting after? We're climbing, you mean? Yes, yeah. Honestly, I miss Greece. Greece, okay. Oh yeah, it's such a good place for rock climbing, the life in general. And it's just so perfect, perfect combination of like the clima and the rocks and the people. So I miss that. Yeah, definitely. Oh, fantastic. But I mean, look, like I live in France. I have all the rocks that run around the house. I can climb like two hours, I'm in cities. I can drive three hours. I'm in Gordogberdon. I have like so many cliffs and rocks around here. So I'm definitely not complaining. Yeah, you're any kind of... That's actually cool. I haven't been traveling beside Switzerland and France in so more than a year. And it's actually great. I'm liking it. I think a lot of people have realized that throughout this whole situation is that there's a lot you can do whilst staying local and not traveling too far, which is good for everybody. It's just really relaxing. And you really appreciate the people you have around you, the people you love, the family. And it's, yeah, I don't know. To me, just more like back to the real essential things in life. Oh, fantastic. It's very positive. A very positive note there. Thank you very much, Nina. It doesn't look like we've got many more questions coming through. So we'll just give you another couple of moments just in case anybody's got any last ones for you. But I'd just like to say a big thank you for taking some time out of your evening to come online with us and share your stories and share some of your thoughts. So it's been a really enjoyable evening. So thank you very much. Thank you. So, yeah, we will probably call it there. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in. I'm sure that Nina's always happy to answer questions on our website and things like that. And hopefully we'll see everybody out on the mountain soon. All right, have fun, be safe. Thank you very much, everybody. Enjoy the rest of your evening. And thank you, Nina. Welcome.