 Welcome back, it's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa and we are talking security matters, transportation and all inclusive you know everything going on at the same time. But this time around the Nigerian governments through the Federal Ministry of Transportation has directed the resumption of the Abu Jakadona train services on Monday 23rd May. In a statement signed by the Niger Railway Corporation Deputy Director of Public Relations, Yaqub Mahmoud, the board and management of the corporation said that they wished to inform their customers that additional security measures are being put in place at both the train stations and the track to ensure the safety of the passengers on board. The corporation therefore urged the passengers to comply with the additional measures that will surely according to them be introduced for the safety of their passengers such as requesting for passengers national identification numbers NIN as part of their internal security check. In addition presentation of the following must be strictly complied with before board in the train. The NRC management appealed to customers for understanding and urged them to cooperate with staff at the various train stations. We have Yahooza Get So Security Expert joining us this time around. Good morning to you Yahooza. Good morning. Let's talk about this resumption May 29. This is the common amida you know concerns that this those who were kidnapped the victims are still in captivity and the NRC is a sure and passing just the customers of improved security. How do you react? Well first of all I want to tell you and viewers and listeners that you know I have already made a clear statement that Bahá'a administration is never a fierce administration. They don't have passion and compassion for the human human life as well as the citizens of Nigeria and at the same time they don't have the kind of they keep telling lies they keep telling stories they keep creating confusion among themselves and within themselves. At a time when you have people in hundreds that you are not you don't even have a actual number of the people in captivity and now you are saying that you want to start operating on 29 for the train Abuja Kaduna train. Yes of course it's good to start operating but have they created an enabling environment that will give the confidence of those who are utilizing using the train for their movement. How can you sustain use of helicopter to monitor the train between Kaduna and Abuja? Is it cost effective? How much are you going to impute in managing that and how sustainable is that? It's all realistic. However we are challenging the minister and the federal government under the leadership of Muhammad Abu Hari to come out and explain to us the measures that have been put in place that will ensure securing the people that will be utilizing the train and at the same time since the time when the train was attacked I have been flying Kaduna Abuja road. I have not seen any major towards improving the start-up on the situation of the security and safety of live and property for people that have been flying the road. So is the government that squandered billions and trillions and millions of money in the name of squaring the nation but yet rather than being secured we are becoming unstructured every now and then. So the security challenges is widening and at the same time the leadership style the leadership kind of is very very poor and the administration have exhibited their incapability and inability to deal with this situation. We have said time without number and I have said myself and I'm repeating myself that I know all locations where these bandits are and I know where they are and they know who I am and I know who they are and I'm repeating myself that all the governance of the respective states where this banditry and all this crime criminality is taking place in northern Nigeria especially north central and north west all the governance and all the security chiefs and security operatives as right from the division the the police the outposts of the police to the local to the division and police office the local local security officer with the representative of the DSS the immigration the civil defense as well as the area commanders they all know who are the commanders of this banditry they know them they have their numbers they are discussing they discuss them they are communicating on phone and they know their locations and all our traditional leaders they know where they are so as far as I'm concerned it is only that Bohara administration is never a zero administration and it's a big disgrace to Nigeria and it's a kind of it's an absolute boharia deceive people it's a big deceit all right that's my comment on this yeah who's that will come back to you because we understand that the families they're still alarming in this whole issue they are grown in in pain we'll take sound on tape we'll come back and talk more with you stay with us please be weather by mommy and then the coming back since this unfortunate attack when we're not going to train we believe the government and commanding chief of the armed forces of the federal republic of Nigeria alongside the security and intelligence chiefs have been working to rescue our loved ones we've been given assurances that a positive outcome of this effort will be apparent soon we must however register our disposal with the way and manner the minister of transportation Mr. Ruti Michibu Kiamichi has been handling the tragic event since it occurred Mr. President also directed the management of Nigeria local operation to establish a station to give a minute by minute account of rescue efforts to relatives of kidnapped passengers still one week after dispensation directive was issued and I see as neither contacted the relatives of kidnapped victims no established any situation room to release them safely and let them free and all those in captivity have my two parents in captivity this is the 42 the 42nd day in captivity and still counting we are please appealing to the government to please bring back our loved ones we have missed them and some of them are breadwinners in the family we really need them back we are the families are waiting in anguish and living without them has not been easy and it's still not easy and it's so terrifying if you have the rail and people are not safe to ply on the rail what is the use of the rail and that's the same thing we have we have our loved ones and imagine somebody is thinking of starting the rail again I mean it's it's it's impossible we're not going to take it that's definitely welcome back it's still the breakfast on plus TV Africa we just saw a report there you know the families of the victims are still grown in and I mean some government re assurances yeah who's a you know there was a statement put up at the NLC they have assured the relatives of the abducted citizens in captivity that the safe rescue of this passing just ease a top priority and not to misconstrue the resumption of train services or as abandonment do you really agree with the government's statement the analysis statement is it anything to go about well there is nothing that will come out of one administration that can carry any way so I don't trust and I will never trust Nigeria Railway Corporation because I am one of the intelligent extracts that provided a free private a free information ahead of before the attack of the train I have provided intelligence to the Kuduna team I have provided intelligence to be to the to the national team to the defense intelligence agency and all the intelligence structures that there is need to take certain majors and far we're moving somewhere around those vicinity around the radius of about 75 kilometers which some part of the areas where the train is passing by but I was never taken serious and I know there are other intelligence who have been providing such information like I have been doing because I'm sure I'm not the only person that providing such information even though I'm providing my own free of charge at no cost probably that is the reason why a wider administration is neglecting both information that we have been providing free the aim is to contribute our own quota being the aspect being the people that we have been risking our life to go into the forest to go to the areas that even our security operators cannot go to conduct a fact-based assessment to conduct a survey and also discuss with the relatives of the the people in the community as well as the people that have been harassed by these bandits but yet government have not taken it serious and at the same time I know there are intelligence equipment that monitor and track all activities that happens 50 kilometer radius outside Kuduna so if this is available why the security agencies were unable to construct and even wasted one hour 47 minutes I keep repeating myself my daughter the daughter of my friend that was shot by the bandits was making a phone call and she reached out to her parents this is their situation and also I have a friend in the train who happens to be one of the people who escaped and he made a clear statement to many media houses national and international because he too is a media expert that he was inside the toilet for one hour 47 minutes before the arrival of the security agencies the military and whatever it was before them so if government cannot manage this situation less than 15 kilometers drive between where the train was attacked to the train station at Ragasa in Kuduna and these cowards the bandits were able to assemble buses and cut away the the people they have they have kidnapped they run away and we provided information immediately for what is happening there and I know Nigerian Air Force they have air planes they have jets that they can use to lighten up to 600 kilometer from the sky and even 1500 kilometer from the sky why did they use that in order to even scare the criminal so that the criminal will run away and the people will be will be saved but yet until now that i'm talking to you government have not done anything have done nothing in in in making taking any putting any measures that will help this yeah i was a get so almost two months to be reunited with their family yeah i was a get so yeah i was a get so so um the federal government has stated i mean that statement wouldn't have been backed up by the nrc well there's a statement where the government is saying that they would ensure that those who are stealing captivity are rescued because they would not you know abandon or relegate their responsibility however the question here now is do you think that it's it's sensible it's enough to have the rail train um up and running especially after um you still have people not been rescued you still have kidnapped persons in captivity of Boko I mean I beg your pardon terrorists well i saw some concern it's only on serious people that will listen to the nrc for being for the they are trying to assure people that they are provided measures yeah i was you also get so what you're supposed to do yeah i was a get so my question is do you think it's it's logical do you think it's rational that the government would um give that directive that the train should be up and running you know the train services should be up and running at a time where you still have some persons in the captivity of terrorists and you the security of those who would be um you know using these transmins of transportation is not entirely guaranteed a very irrational it's very very irrational decision what government would have done is to find a way of reaching out to these powers uh bandits uh either by by by by by killing all of them or doing whatever taking whatever measures to rescue uh those in captivity and let them reunite back with their families and then deal with the situation that i said i said and i'm repeating there is no location of this bandit that is not known so if government's conducts billions and trillions of money in the name of procuring equipment and intelligence equipment and gadgets that can be used in monitoring and tracking all the activities this bandit that have kidnapped the the people those who were attacked at the train they have been communicating with the families of those in captivity so what measures have government put in place to track them and i said if they don't know where they are the traditional leaders and the different division and police officers the charges of the immigration and the charges of the civil defense and all at all the local governments they know the location where these people in captivity are so let them rescue them first that's the only way to build the confidence of people of public to you continue to to to accept all the conditions or all whatever the uh nagararello corporation is saying as well as the minister of transportation and the the zero government administration all right let's look at some of the so-called security or internal measures that the NRC says you know they have put in place for instance they talked about you know the presentation of NIN and of course no more morning and night you know services for now do you really think those ones are far reaching supposed to move in the day or in the night that has nothing to do with whatever has nothing to do with the the train is moving at night that is why it's been attacked by by the bandits it's no the last attack that happens last year in october i was in the train and it was early morning hours and you remember we had a discussion i had an interview with your station and i made mention that i was part of the news that were in the train and we were attacking the early hours so it has nothing to do with that what the what matters is for you to have a serious government for you to have a serious system if you have a serious government and you have a serious system these guys can be fished fished out and within 10 to 16 weeks all the bandits and all the criminality in nagara can be dealt with but since you don't have a serious government you don't have a serious management in the nagara railway corporation you don't have a serious management in the minister of our transport that is why we cannot move stone from where it is to anywhere i will continue to recycle and i want to tell you i'm not praying but worst attack may happen in the later future or in the near future i'm not praying for that all right yeah who's on it on all honesty the bohari administration is a failure and they are not serious about curing live people and life i have made it very very clear remember they borrowed money in order to put this rail line so if you squander that money and you cannot provide secured you cannot provide security measures for safety of life and property then you are not serious all right yeah who's as we round off on this particular discourse as emotional as it is now what do you think can be done in the interim you know so that we can ensure adequate security what exact what features do you expect to see you know in the short run let's say in the next few days and weeks you know so because at the end of the day you know people will still need to apply the you know still need to move from point a to point b those who are not comfortable with the roads or even have enough to fly okay that's fine yes in this regard what's supposed to be done yes the government supposed to provide monitors and intelligent trackers between ida jerry uh gidambusa uh akilubu rijana adwaja to ensure that all these locations the neighborhood where the bandits are is clear and those who are conniving and informants who are known to be dealt with decisively so that it can serve as a deterrence for others to learn to learn a lesson out of it and then at the same time government must provide intelligent equipment that will provide at least information to to the cometers of the train so that they can have information at least 15 kilometers and between each and every station where the train used to start used to stop there should be a quite clear communication gadget whereby one station will be stay will be communicating with other between kaduna and abuja and between abuja and kaduna probably this will help and at the same time uh they should improve in the way of selling the tickets not a situation whereby one general or one insurgent insurgent general or a commissioner or police will buy 20 tickets on arrival at the station while many people will be kind of joining you and then at the time when the maybe an hour or even two days before they will be told that there is no more ticket so there is need to do a lot of check and balances on the attitude and characters and background of the personnel of the nigeria railway corporation as the respective stations between kaduna and abuja right from edu, kubua and ragata among others all right because there is a lot of corruption in the system which need to be dealt with and there must be a punishable a kind of a punishment to some of the stuff that you are found wanting so that will serve as a deterrence otherwise if we continue to do the to deal with the corruption the same way boharia has been dealing with it so poorly and they are so deceitful i want to tell you that we are not going nowhere and the train will still be attacked in the near future i'm not praying but if necessary measures have not been in place and this coward bandits have not been dealt with decitably and accordingly i want to tell you that the worst attack will come in the near future especially as we move more closer to the election of the 2023 election and at the same time when we are unable to manage a review the memorandum of understanding that we have between nigeria and its neighborhood especially between the anglophone and the francophone stage all right thank you so much yahoosa get-so security expert for your thoughts this morning thank you very much it's been a great pleasure thank you listen to thank you us all right we also promise that subsequently we should be able to get um management of the nrc so they can actually come and tell nygens exactly what indeed they intend to do ahead of the planned resumption and that's what that's as much as we can take on this particular segment we'll be right back after this quick break stay with us