 Major FOPAS, no Nicaragua, let me know. So we're calling the meeting to order 406. This is a special airport admission meeting. First item on the agenda is adopting the agenda. Can I have a motion to do so? I'll move adoption. Councilor Adamson. Second. Second. Robin, second. Any comments, questions, anything on the agenda need to do? We do have an executive session at the end that we'll go into, but otherwise it's going to be so much more important. All right. All those in favor of adopting the agenda is presented. Say hi. All right. All opposed. Okay, we have an agenda. Anybody public forum and I'll see anybody, anybody online. Don't see anybody. All right, we can move on to the consent agenda. I didn't see an employment report. Was that? No, it's because just two weeks ago, we published the employment report for, I think it was November, December. Yeah, sorry, that should have been taken off. No problem. Anything you want to share about employment? No, still, still climbing. We're not back to where we were in 2019. I think we're getting closer to 90% of 2019 numbers. Not there yet. Revenues are really good and Marie's going to talk about that later, but inclinements were climbing. Is that consistent with other airports in the country? It is, yeah. Extremely consistent, actually. I can't remember who I was with. Dave or Larry, I was at a conference recently. Dave recently and we were talking with Baltimore or some of the major airports in the country and they were all seeing that 75 to 90, below 90% recovery. They're also seeing higher revenue recovery, especially in the parking garage, which is interesting that as we see or rent the cars as well. So very, very consistent with the industry. So I believe it's only February, obviously, but I believe this will be a record year for us, a calendar record year for a number of bouts. How you doing? Great. I'm not so encouraging. So you have to approve the minutes. Can I have a motion? Yeah, motion to accept the minutes presented. Thank you. Any comments? All those in favor of adopting the minutes? Aye. Opposed? Okay, the minutes are adopted. The minutes are approved, I suppose. All right, Airport Commission rules and procedures. We've had this document for quite some time. Hopefully everyone's had a chance to go through it. I feel bad that Tim isn't here to officially preside over the passage of our procedures and rules because I know he's put a lot of time into it, but I think he'd be happy to know we're acting on it. So why don't we get it on the floor? Does somebody want to make a motion to adopt? Well, I make a motion to adopt the rules and procedures. All right. Like I've just explained, which is part of the Airport Commission has presented. Thank you, Ellen. Is there a second? Second. All right. Any discussion, comments, questions about anything? Yeah. This officially makes now, once you approve it tonight, it'll make the first Wednesday of the month, the new regular meeting for cash. Anything staff you guys want to say about it? Meets your needs, everything? It sure does. I think my biggest request was the movement of the meeting to the first week of the month, which is fantastic in every other detail that's been shifted from the previous procedures is spot on with what we expected. So this fits nicely from our point of view as well. Great. OK. Seeing no further discussion, let's take a vote. All those in favor of approving our Airport Commission procedures and rules, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Congratulations. Good job, Tim. If you're watching this at home, it's up to you. OK. Just a quick question. Are we supposed to? If we don't, did we look to see if we had anybody for public comment? Are we not there yet? I did. I did check. I did check. I didn't see it online. Obviously, I don't see anybody here. If somebody does come, I don't mind reordering agenda. And Greg just joined us as well. All right, Greg, you hear us? Yes, sir, I do. All right. We don't see you. I don't know if that's by design or. No, I'll work on that. OK. That should work right there. Weren't you outside last time and some? Yeah, I did vote above anyone out this time. So I moved inside. Does this look good or not? Casey, you haven't heard it. It's 70 and sunny here. Especially Friday night. Greg, I don't know if you if you were on, but we did just formally approve our rules and procedures of the commission. And I don't know if there was anything you wanted to add or any questions you had on those. I'll assume you were in support of it. But if you did want to bring up anything now, it's a good opportunity. No, I would just second what Jeff mentioned, thanking Tim for his work and efforts to make that happen. Great. OK, great. Second action item is. Taxiway, a mill and overlay. Do you? You the airport is looking for action on this item. Why don't we move it and second it and then we can have a discussion. You can describe it. We think that's any question, but that's all right. Cosmo. All right. Thank you. Have one second. All right, thanks, Steve. All right, let's. There you have the user. Sure. So this is the mail. OK, this is the latest. I can make all the problems that comes out here. OK. And last year, we came before you. I think it's July. Ask for Google go to the city council, which will be receivable is to mill and overlay from this point here, which you can see in here all the way down to about here. OK, however, we designed it. So we're going to apply for a grant all the way down to here and export it. Charlie limitation and funding. So we only received the grant last year for down to here. The mask and for is the difference, the balance, because we're going to apply for using entitlement funding this year to complete this project. So we're fully the ability. So the difference. The cost is the engineering inspection. The intent of the project is a whole lot. It's had a new ultimate where the FAA said we don't have the budget to give it a problem to you. So a mask and for that, then if Tim were here to say, why doesn't the math work on the paper? It is because we had to take out of this. When we designed all that, we paid for designing this too. But we couldn't apply for the grant last year. We designed that. So that stuck back into this. We get reversed for that. So it's really over. We're not asking for is who will accept the grant or then takes to get this forward from a timing standpoint. And it being entitlement works well. And we're not starting construction on this this year. And by the time we start this project, you can go right into this. We should have a grant by that time or it's entitlement money where we can spend the money up front and get reimbursed because it's entitlement. And here is one thing I'll add is just the basic concept of the tattoo at Elphi, you put a groupie grant for like whatever you say, but the majority of it. This is just that one corner. This is one of our main arteries of the airport, especially when we're talking about the commercial service and terminal access points. So very complicated, highly phased passengers are going to see this for sure over the summer. And then that corner specifically, that outflow Charlie corner, which is what we're requesting for tonight, that's also highly used at the intersection right there. That's about one point. Then we're also a shoulder on care, so our garden base on payment for ease of ploughing and safety. So this is all going to be there'll be a 20-foot shoulder. It ties into that. OK, thanks for that explanation. I'll leave it to the aviation people and it's going to be a specific one. Honestly, what comes up right away is that it is the only way to get a commercial traffic to that area. So clearly it will be open at the time, but that does seem to lend itself to a bit of liability with working crews right on the other side of alpha, if you're building that shoulder. Will parts of it be close during that time? Like as you're working like one small section at a time. You got it. So one of the things that Dave and Larry helped design was making sure specifically that only one terminal gate was impacted as much as we possibly can at any of the phase project, as otherwise we're literally going to be talking otherwise. You have to shut down this gate. We can't do that. So the phasing is going to be in small sections. We did the same thing for other areas of the airport like taxiway, but once we get into this shoulder, every project that we do out on this airfield requires a construction safety and phasing plan, which is reviewed by not only us, but Air Traffic Control, as well as the Federal Aviation Administration Airports Division. And there's snow fencing. There's a very, very strict criteria where not only pedestrians, vehicles, construction vehicles, how to get to and from access points in the site itself. The Charlie Alpha intersection will be closed at one point in time. Please. Yeah, which we've done a bit more successfully. We're going to have to go all the way down and lean on it in other areas. Or taxi back 193. When taxi back 191, it might be closed in certain areas of this construction project as well. Can you move around on the commercial grant, like let's say E190, without the wing crossing over Alpen? Can you move on the ramp without you can't, right? Yeah, I think so. You're talking like if the one right here is here, it's through here, et cetera. Yeah, it goes over. The wing hangs over Alpen all the time, right? Or a piece of it. This is my final question. So now we also have airplanes on those gates. And you can't have that. So one, we wouldn't be able to use this as a taxi. You could never. That's what I'm asking. If you can use any piece of that to avoid the. Let's shut this down and use this. I mean, I'm sure there are some ways we'd have to redesign and restructure your tools from. But it's not the plan. It is not the plan. And it's to shut down this particular area. So the pushback for this game would be this way. Then we swap it. So the pushback would be the other way. That's a generalized statement on that particular gate. But essentially every single piece of this will be. Will every gate be affected at some point? Every gate south of the corner. So maybe maybe. Shared in areas. That's a good question. Yeah, every airline, everybody's going to be impacted. The only one that's really not going to be impacted is American Airlines. But they were highly impacted when we did this phase of the project. So they get it right. And the airlines are great partners. But we'll move them around. We swap the terminal. Yeah. Or with them. This is a great ratio because this was a 10 year project. First project actually was the first phase of the terminal apron. And now it's completed and we get this one. And every piece of the terminal apron on it will be the phase for the construction. Now, 1 and 1, 9 are closed for just weather, right? Like sometimes we get an abundance of ice and snow and they just close 1 and 1, 9 and we just use 1 and 5 and 3, 3 for a few days, right? Can you still be happy on it? Depends on what date and his team. Have you done it? See. We had. Yeah. So worst possible circumstance, they've got to go cross runway 1 and go all the way down. What's this one, bravo? Right there. And the sun. Three meetings a late May to the late May. So we still always get 1 and 3 in theory. All of these GAO's, if they're at least 3, 3 or 1, 5, they'll be able to back-tact. Got you. And you don't have to take them. But the airlines don't have to go around because they're going to, they can't use 1 and 1, 9 or could be. The 1 and 1 back-tact and 1, 9 as well. Oh, they can. OK. So they use 1, 9 as an hour of tax, you guys. Yeah. Yeah. The back-tact alpha is too small for the back-tact. Yeah. Yeah. They used to. I don't know if they use it as much now. Well, they don't. Oh, I guess that one. This is going to be the summer. This will be the summer. Where do you have the grant for alpha? Yeah, let me go. Yeah. Like Larry said, from this point up here, where do you have the grant? And we're expecting the grant soon for the remaining portion of what Larry requested. Right. That's just for this small portion. Yeah. And we're waiting purposefully for the late May to start. So we have no weather for the next few weeks. And this will put us in a really great position. All of that light grain into the dark grain, this is all new. You know, it is seven years old. Dave, somewhere in there, seven to nine years. How do you, how do you meant to know? And you can see all this kind of see the dark lines in that. It's all crack sealing and whatnot. We completed this portion last year of Charlie with a tax way. So this is going to be a nice, you know, coordinated effort to meet just about everything there on our tax ways. We're going to do the same thing for 1-5-3-3. We'll come back to not this summer, next summer, most likely on a construction grant. Yeah. So 20 more copies of this. Don't forget, when we finish Q02, which is around there, and the initial law neighbor, to be honest with you. You can't keep up with the posters. You cannot keep up with the posters. Your posters can't keep up with you. You need a hard one to be honest. I looked like this. Did you screen? Nick, I think that was about our six years ago. Q, the old times last year. So that's, and then this is even older. So this right now is our oldest piece of paper for the year. Everything else is new. This has come up in 10 years. Who is? You said that. Yeah, we're going to do it. I'm sorry, 10 years old. Oh, OK, I'm sorry. Sorry. The local match portion of this will come. Yeah, see, that is exactly right. In fact, we were running a seven-plus-year financial plan to outline all of these big projects. Elpa is a relatively small project, relatively. The big projects are the $34 million terminal project, the South expansionists, the snow and pool equipment building. The runway is going to be a big project. So we want to show you and everybody else, there's a healthy financial plan using PFCs, especially for the local share, as well as their funding sources, depending on what the project is. But for this one, yes, PFCs. So that we'll see that at self-sufficiency meeting. Probably summer. Yeah, a couple of months. Right. Yeah. How do you stay the one way when you're new? We have a hard to close. We're going to have a hard closure at midnight of the runway and an opening of around 5 AM every single day, which means those phases are very small. The milling will happen in two strips. The pavement will happen that same night. The paint will be applied that same night. We'll be ready to open at 5.30 in the morning. So if Jeff was late, where do they go? It will have to differ. Because these are the four. Yeah, but these especially, usually we don't do hard closures. Usually we'll work with the airlines. Like if they're 20 minutes late, we'll keep the runway open just a little bit longer if we have some maintenance. Do you know? As we know. Yeah. But with a project this size, when we start doing that, the financial repercussions and the time delay on the back end is far worse. So we're happy. Will they move up their departure time for the last night to give a little caution? They might. It's pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah. And they're already supposed to land. They are. It requires just definitely running late on that. Just running with the question from Platsford. Take care of everybody else. I just think that they go back. They go to the chain of things. And they don't have any grounds for that. No, no support, nothing. I don't think they could get them off the plane. They're just scared. Anyway, for the airline. All right. Any other comments, questions about this project? OK, we have a motion in front of us to recommend acceptance of this grant and put to order finance and city council approval. Everybody ready to vote? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. Plansings. Thank you, everybody, for that explanation. OK, item number six, auto report. I am immediately going to hand it over to the person that spent countless hours on it and have a reading. Sure. Hello. I did offer to read the whole thing, but I was spared. It's not too much. I think the important things for me, there's a lot of information in here. And I think the important things for me to convey is that we had no compliance issues. The auditors were very happy with us. There were no findings that they had with the airport or the way that we conduct anything. They do issue a part of this, a PFC review and make sure that we're recording all of our revenues and expenses correctly. So that's at the very end of this. We perform, I report every month on our revenues and our expenses, and that's pretty much how we ended up the year. We did use some of our stimulus money as part of this, but we ended up the year very well. Our cash position was stronger at the end of the year than it was at the beginning of the year. So all in all, I would say a very good, successful, healthy financial year for the airport, which is what we always strive to do and take real good care. Not always in our control, all the revenues and everything else, but things are improving. And you can see that if you look at some of the schedules are a little interesting when you look across at the revenues and things like that. So that's the biggest part of what I want to do. We had to implement a new Gavie, which affected how we record leases from a financial interview in the financial industry. That was the biggest thing we had to contend with this year. But all in all, and other than that, it's a wrap on the audit. And I just got it last week. So I wanted to share that, right? It was perfect timing. And I wanted to share that with all of you. And of course, entertain any and all questions you might have. If you read this cover to cover or have any questions on here, do let me know. My favorite part to read, although there is a lot of good parts, is the page 52 of 52, which is no material weaknesses, no significant deficiencies both on our regular financial statements in our passenger facility charge program. And that's huge kudos to Murray, not just in the audit process, but in the whole year. Yeah. And I think the other thing that I will, if you want to look at any part of it, I think the things that I usually will refer people to is what's called our MD&A, our management discussion and analysis. And that takes place right after the audit. They give us our audit letter, but then we have, starting on page four, we have a bunch of pages. And this is like an overview. It's like, we're telling what happened in a summary of what's most important what happened here at the airport. And so you're here at the table, some of you are newer, but it'll give you a good depth of the revenues and what direction that we're going in. So I would suggest, if you want to take a look at anything, that's probably one of the easiest things to look at and get a bit sense of the airport. How often does this come out? Every year. This is the year end report. Yes, we have multiple audits, but this is our financial audit. This audit, when the city has not issued their overall audit yet, when they do, we are listed as a department within there, because we are enterprise funds. So our numbers will be incorporated into their report. We also have a single audit, which is a grant compliance audit. And that will come out. We'll have that by the end of March. And those are done separately from the city. Yes, we are under contract. We have enterprise funds, but the other departments don't do that. It's a bond requirement. We use the same accounting firm. They just changed their name. Well, they're signed in Melanson. They got acquired more recently, and I think are merged, so they changed their name. But they have a contract that the city bids out and then awards the contract. And we come within that contract. But we do. They come out here separately and take a pretty good look, and make sure that everything is reported. How much time do you put into this? A lot. She's going to need more than 52 pages. Yeah, it's with any financial reports. I have to make sure that everything that they want to come and look at that is available for them. And so there are separate schedules, or there are a lot of things that we have to do that we don't miss for a full accrual accounting. That was all this counting jargon. We have to do it year-end. And we don't miss we do that every single month because it would be tedious. And I need a staff of two more people to do it. So but we do a full accrual. And that's what we do on the airport. So there's there's just work to be done with it. So it's not something that you can do cumulatively during the year. Some pieces. Yeah, some pieces, of course. So that makes it a little bit shorter. Just like I report to you every single month of revenue and expenses, we're looking at all the time. Right, right. We don't just look at that when we get down the air. I don't know. Look at it in September. So we do. It's really important that we keep track about everything that is material. There are just there are just maybe additional schedules or other things that I now need to do and provide as documentation. And you send this into a auditor. There's an auditing firm in the capital firm that a group of CPAs and they come in and they review everything and they give us an audit opinion, which is clean. And that's what we don't have any findings. 52 of 52. That's right. So we it's really it's it's this is important when you always want that independent eyes taking a look and making sure that your that your revenues and that your expenses that you're reporting are accurate. I mean, I know the city of South Burlington does that. You know, it's an opinion. It's an opinion. They won't take responsibility for any of the states. It's good. True, a nice sample and all that, but they really, they really do test and take a look at your procedures and everything to ensure that you have any recommendations for procedures changes. We did not. That's good. And those are all good to address. Right, right. OK, any other questions? Jim, I notice you're not good to have you with us. After being so late. Don't worry. OK, not hearing any other questions. I don't think we have to take formal action on this, but we'll accept it and put it on file and just note in the minutes. Congratulations. We're reading. Thank you to you for all the time and effort you put into this. And I think we can all relate to other work settings that this kind of stuff takes a lot of attention to detail, not just in preparation for an audit, but be around. So thank you for all your good work. OK, thank you. Next item, director support. I'm going to keep it nice and short and just touch base on a couple of topics. Great progress with our North renovation projects. This is the removal of the escalators, opening up our North concourse to additional seating and relocating Hudson News into a new space. Hudson News will actually in the North Concourse only. Hudson will be relocating the night of February 15th to a new temporary location. Temporary might be about a year until they finalize their official new design for their new space. That will eventually come back to you as a contract amendment. They are investing around half a million dollars into the airport to open up space and grow here at the airport. Escalators are completely out. Floor is being filled in. There's a giant hole in the floor in the middle of our terminal right now. It's pretty impressive. Everything's being just completely renovated in the old security checkpoint that used to be up there, which will eventually fill in with seating. It does impact this hallway just slightly. We're just opening it up, repainting. We'll be doing a couple of things too. We had a meeting with the team and with our consultant on the BTV North Next project, which is the expansion of into the north side of the terminal. We started looking at very preliminary designs and architectural features of what the vision of this building will be. I have a couple of things internally that I want to work out. And then eventually, hopefully this summer, we can start giving you a little bit more feedback of where and what that project will look like into the future. This is the $34 million congressionally directed spending. Funding that lady was instrumental in getting and we're just kicking off the vision and now quickly go into full design. Can I just ask a question? And I'm sure that's something I don't, for the, what I can't remember the name of it now, that had sell from magazines and stuff, what's it called? That's a good question. It's a new, yeah. Do they have a lease or a contract with us for a certain number of years? They do. I think their lease goes to 2028 or nine, I think right now. And it's a concession lease. So it's a percentage of their gross revenues. I come back to that. And then is that in 2028, when it comes up and we review it again, is it sort of open to another company that might think, oh, this is an upcoming airport? I think I would like to have a commission, that, you know, that for whatever it is that would be. If we wanted to produce an RFP or an open process for other entities, my hope is to present an extension of this Hudson News Lease in exchange for that investment that Hudson is talking about. There is other opportunities though for concession space and possibly even restaurant space in the future, especially as we start talking about larger areas. I don't think this year is definitely the right time to start doing that, especially the restaurant. I'm looking for timing for them, that would be really neat. I'm looking for timing for them. But the restaurant industry, the music industry, really struggling right now for labor standpoints to revenue standpoints. So the investment that Hudson is making in the local requirements that we have to go on Hudson, they're required in the contract to carry 50% of Vermont-made products to sell. They always do more than whenever they report it, they're always in the 60 to 70% Vermont products are actually sold, which makes sense when we have the product, I think it brands and sells itself. So there's great advantages to having a huge company like that work with us in the investment that they're working on. So they're growing slightly, it's not gonna be too different. They do want more of a traditional store atmosphere versus the open store that they have today. So where they're relocating, that's what their design is. It'll kind of store from. So there's no requirement to have an RFP each time? Is that what you're saying? No, there would be an expiration of a contract. There would be a requirement. Oh, I thought you just said you wouldn't put out an RFP. I am right now, I'm not proposing an RFP. I'm proposing an extension on the Hudson contract in exchange for investment. Okay, but at some point, then, in my head, okay. I was just curious what they were telling me to work. It seems like I can't make it too much of a sweetheart. And I wasn't suggesting you were, but they are investing half a million bucks. And that says something about their love. Yeah, and more, they put in a lot of investment into the airport over time, which has amortized for them in the contract period. So when you're talking about a vision in process for terminal improvements, that's a process where you're gonna say, like, all right, what do we want to, what do we want this to look like? Passenger experience, revenue enhancement, how to balance all that, that type of actually, will be involved in that? In some aspects, yeah. I mean, right now it's the initial conversation is, what do we need? What do we try to accomplish out of this from an operational standpoint? And a big piece of this is bringing those planes away from the taxiway, so we can optimize the space and get the flexibility that we need with the airlines. And then that quickly rotates into a conversation of, when we do this, what does the passenger experience look like? How do you get from that new security checkpoint to that new space up north, which includes that maximizing revenue or concession space and then the visual aspects, whether it's artwork to the, what do we want to see with it? Do we want to have that consistency with the new terminal integration project throughout our entire terminal and this new building? Big part of the conversation too, is where does airport administration go? Part of this project does remove all of these office spaces in this hallway to maximize hold-term space and seating space upstairs here, so that all of our passenger experiences on the second floor, that means airport administration would have to relocate. So part of this design right now includes the possibility of including it in this new building and possibly even a public accessible portion of the building like a green roof or an open air sunset. So lots of new fresh ideas into this building related to the financial plan as well, because not everything that we're proposing, we can reach for the start of them, what we want FAA might say, that's not eligible for federal funding. So we have to be very cognizant as we go down this path. But at some point, I do want to kind of share the progress and the feel of what this building looks like. We're super, we're in, you know, colored pencil schematics right now. Is there an architect? There is, yeah. So Jacobs Engineering was the selected architect on the project and architect and engineering, but they have a very large architect division in their company and they design airport terminals, which I think is really critical to how we look at today's need and 10 plus years from now. So we're not in a situation where we are. How far down the road are you looking? As far as we can, I mean, it's, when we did our master plan, we looked at a 30 year projection of our operations but honestly, even 10 years from now it's going to look probably very different. So the projection or the terminal that we're trying to design is something that would allow the flexibility of the aircraft, whether it's getting smaller or bigger, which is where we struggle right now in our existing terminal, where the building was designed for small aircraft and didn't allow for the actual equipment to engage into the terminal that we have today. And that's why even the tip building was designed where it is because all of that space today used to be graph space, but no aircraft could fit in there any longer. So two gates were actually shut down over that time period to allow one concessions, but two they couldn't fit back in. So we're trying to maximize that space, maximize the height, literally the height of where the floor space is to get the proper ADA requirements to get to some of the smallest aircraft on the market today and some of the largest. It's not easy because we don't know, we don't know. Or even vertical aircraft, they got the landing aircraft or electric or anything. And that's a big part of it is sustainability, how are we going to build this building and supply the power that we need in, give the airlines what we want them to do, which is power their equipment with electricity versus diesel engines or diesel GPUs, anything like that. We want to make sure that we're designing that before that type of use as well. What airports around the country or state of the art is one considered city or? Yeah, so actually Larry, David and I are going to take a road trip. Portman main just finished a brand new terminal building and there's a lot of amazing features in that terminal that I'd like to see both from an aesthetic standpoint and a sustainability and monitoring standpoint. They also just built into geothermal facility to incorporate into that facility. And I really want to, we really want to see what that looks like as we start building this out, inclusive of some of the typical things like solar and things like that. They're recycling life. They've been glypho recycling. You may see it on the internet. Well, it's good to compare airports of similar size as well. Yeah. It's more apples down. Right. And they get massive amounts of snow. They get the right similar amounts of snow. I think we're actually on the same latitude as Portland main. They are bigger. They're put sort of main or Portland important. They, yeah. Although the Oregon was also on our list of kind of visionary airports. There are some folks that... Yeah, it's so much bigger when you look at the pictures of like a small of airport or even a medium of like Portland main and then the build out of a new terminal in Portland, Oregon. You can see there's money in Portland. Or even Portland main went through a very, very different process of one case per terminal than we are going. Has anybody ever looked at covering airports? Have you ever covered part of it for the airplanes? I've never heard of it. I don't. The hope is over in the apron space. There is. There are plenty of parks underneath overnight. It doesn't need to get to the next in the morning. And you can have a solar array on top. You can have a big solar array on top. The Neonite, the glycol companies would come after us. I think we can just step forward. One place we can minimize the bottom. Yeah. So that's the icing at the end of the runway. Yeah. I don't know why airports haven't gone to that. Well, we actually on our master plan, you would have a whole new bay design. Not design, but... It's designed for it. Oh yeah, it is designed as a taxi. We don't get that. We couldn't get the funding for it. But it was designed at the end of a taxiway to allow bull off and centralize the icing that for departure departing aircraft on that side. So why don't you envision now 30 years or even 10 years? Are you talking with pilots? And clearly you're talking with the airlines. But then we have a different viewpoint, right? Viewpoint or you add some... Yeah. So they're part of the travel industry. Flying in 30 years, but... Well, I'm just saying another worldwide pandemic. Couple of volcanoes go off. I mean, there's all kinds of reasons why you might have to follow the way back or you might be able to follow the way up, so being flexible is... Right. And the important part of this design, including when we finished both north and south within the 10-year period of time, we're looking at just the north expansion right now and hopefully within seven or so years, we'll talk to you about the south expansion. Obviously a lot of work between now and then is we're not necessarily looking at the need to add additional gains. So even in this north expansion in the south, we just need the flexibility of, like I said, the size of an aircraft, but also the flexibility of where airlines park. So right now it's so proprietary. So this is my space. I like to brand this space. And this is my airline and this is where we park. Charges different, it's brand. Depending on if it's a good gate or a bad gate. No, they're all good gates. The interesting thing I think on our ramp is that, like I saw two JetBlue planes here the other day at the same time, which should not happen. So it means obviously one is broke. There's not a lot of extra parking for like an Embraer 170, so there are two going down American in JetBlue. We actually have three, we have three to four main line aircraft overnight positions along with 12 to 15 that we have right now. Off with the terminal, yeah. And that was that big, that was that big. I thought one of them was taken up by snow. Well, yeah. Yeah. So this big as specifically for opening. And I can't, snow is a whole whole nother ball game on where we pile it and how high we can pile it and where it goes. Pretty soon you'll be able to sell it. You'll be able to sell it to sugar position. Well, that's like a maple syrupy smell to it. Yeah. It's just a little guy. They saved crafts for his last years. Yeah. So as we design North and South for the size of aircraft for the capacity of what that size means in the inside of the plane of the terminal building. Yeah. So what kind of seats do we need to accommodate up to 200 passengers on some of these planes? Right now we have 321s coming in with about 220 passenger seats on board, but also the flexibility of the con use gate system. So if there's an available gate, you can go there and your computers will still match up. And that's the biggest problem right now is that's why they need their gate because their computer systems connected to their hardware on the back end to connect to their corporate system. So having that flexibility on that terminal, like I've been saying for some time, starting at that tax way, bringing them in away from the tax way, the size of aircraft parking on our gate positions, the size of the hold room space, which we do not have the oversized hold room in each of our gate areas. It's far, far too tight, especially on the North Concourse right now, which then backs up into the TSA security capacity, which we've solved with this new building. But that then backs up into if we process more passengers, how do we process more bags going out of bound? And that hence the reason for some of the design work of the baggage plane. And then the same way coming back in, bags coming in. So it's an evolution of the terminal for sure in the flexibility of making sure wherever the market goes for complexity. If I could make a request, I'd really enjoy maybe hearing from the architects at the time when you think it's appropriate and they don't want to be too early or too late, frankly. But just having this kind of conversation with that group, they can certainly join remotely if they're not local. Yeah, it'd be valuable. I think that's a great idea. Because like I said, we're talking about ideas right now. And this is probably the stage to do that. We don't want to get halfway through summer and saying, yeah, it's not that we're not going to want. OK. Chat, are you monitoring the chat? Just from a Zoom. What if you sometimes put things in the chat and it doesn't see anything? No, it's just that. Very good. It should pop right up. Oh, I will. OK, on your side. I didn't know if you could say vote. OK. Anything else that can report? That is it. OK, commissioner items. Any commissioners have anything we haven't brought up yet? It's on your mind. Right, Kim? All good? Great. OK, follow-up items. I think we've addressed 9.01 commission rules procedures that can probably come off our items list. The overlay, obviously, Tim is in here. Anything anybody wants to say about that? Or should we? So Anna is working with multiple consultants, taking maps from here and maps from here and combining them. Last meeting, we had a conversation of overlaying kind of a heat map of where our actual radar tracks are onto the noise comment map. So you can actually see this is the majority of where flights go and there might be some correlation with the comments. So we're trying to pull those pieces together with various programs and consultants. We should have the other questions. This is on the sound program, too. Yeah, we still have good news today. Well, Larry was in a meeting earlier with our consultants regarding the. Do I know? So you wrote about that. Well, you said it again. Larry, help me out if I'm not saying this correctly. But it looks it sounds like there's the design phase for the 54 homes for that first round has been approved. It's been completed. It's been all orders for their review. OK. And once they were due to come back, we'll go ahead and ask them to apply for the grant. It was home to four homes. And that rapid flight to the next 50 or 100 whenever they acknowledge he's coming in. How we received the grant for the 54 that are in the meeting? We received the grants to build the 16 for the pilot and the phase are on. We received the design money and each money for the 54 which takes us to bidding. So the design is done going back to the homeowners to make sure they're happy with what they're going to get. And then you have to get in the goes. Then the plan for that by April 15th for those to be for all for sure. I'm going to another million dollars for the next home to do what we're doing now with those 54. OK. And over and over and over again. Down in priority order based on decibel levels, contour geographic location, the contour lines and ratios between the towns. So when you retire, you'll be able to say this is the final application for. I'm going to bring the rice down. Yeah. I'm going to bring the rice down. I'm going to bring the rice down. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to bring the rice down. I'm going to bring the rice down. I'm going to bring the rice down. Drones or something. They're much quieter. I would like to request one additional follow up item. I received an email from you about taxi. Oh, right. We also received one from downtown. The commission does have the authority to raise the number of key permits that are actually sold to taxi drivers. Key permits, specifically, meaning a permit to operate out of the airport, pick up a drop off. Right now, I think we're capped at around 50 key permits. That's was said a couple of years ago. The quantity of drivers, especially during certain periods of time at the airport are pretty slim. So I think we do need to increase that number of key permits, which does allow small companies to purchase those key permits. A permit, I believe, is, do you know that it's $500 per year? But that's something that we owe you as a little bit more research and what the authority is of the airport commission and my request to increase that number to a certain point. And the ubers of the world, they don't get those permits. So they have to be called. I mean, you can't go walk into it or sit in there. You have to. Yeah, right. So some airports have permission for ubers to be already there. We do have a contract. So any TNC operator, transportation network company, which uses mobile application features to call or request or whatever, or lift the two companies that we have. We have a separate contract with them that requires a $2 per charge. Yeah, $2 per charge pickup and or drop off. So every time they come in here, they owe us $2. At the end of the month, they reconcile that with their data and their geotagged information. So instead of having a cute thing that allows them, that's how you get that airport. That's more in the line of 10 to 20,000 on the very high end in a month. No. For a month. Now, now lately, it's not that much. That's correct. As much as 10,000 a month off of Uber. That's correct. That's $5,000. And drop off $2 for $5,000 trips into the airport. Yeah, either for a pickup or drop off. That's correct. The city of Burlington also has a similar deer there. They do a quarter per pickup and drop off in the city, in the city. So there's there's 25 cents. That's what you mean. Yes. Yes. Sorry. Well, I think I have a quarter of that. Any other questions? 25 cents. Let's go. I'm not sure. Wow. For the lumberman. But one of the issues that that doesn't address that Ken brought up was the bill. And then he took a picture of this taxi piece in the hospitality business. Shay Cannon, you know, some of the big hotels in town. And that's his business, its hospitality. And he thought that the interior of this cat was really terrible. And he had a terrible impression, I guess, of our community. So he wanted to, and I shoot it with Nick and Tim. What could we do to say you have to clean car if you're going to pick people up? I don't know how you do that. So and that's where that's sort of related to that. It is related. And that's also related to the city, city of Burlington's policies on permitting taxi cab companies in general. There is an inspection process and a permitting process for the city of Burlington, which they are required to have that permit prior to receiving a queue permit to operate at the airport. So we're working with the clerk and treasurer's office on understanding exactly where the inspection criteria is, both on the car itself and the inside, the quality of the car, the meters that are required to be in the car, every taxi cab is required to accept credit cards, just cash. There's limitations on the cost, especially at the airport of minimum service and minimum fees associated with it. So there's no price gouging allowed on some of these taxi, on all of these taxi drivers. We actually have a dedicated site, a dedicated area on our website that outlines all of these requirements. Ian gives every phone number of the app companies that are allowed at this airport to be in some of the requirements associated with inspection of it. Yeah. We have an ambassador that manages the taxi area. We do with really all the ambassadors, but now they're called ground transportation foremen. Oh, ambassador, such a nice surname. Well, the ambassadors are still ambassadors, but the two foremen are called ground transportation. So they're there, the monitor. Do they actually look and see? All right, is this an approved taxi that's in the queue here? Yeah. And they have to have a fiscal sticker on the car. I mean, I'm wondering, maybe this is too far to go too far, but should they poke their head in and just if they see something like a taxi that doesn't meet the standard in terms of cleanliness, just. And we do that. We do that just about every single day. Shelby was actually very good at doing that and training the team to do that. It's the, you know, the overnights or when we don't have an ambassador here or the awkward hours or things like that. That can be difficult. Is a queue permit given to the taxi company or to each individual car? A vehicle. It's an actual permit. Medallion in New York City. Do we have a way to do like, is there a place on our website or whatever that people visiting this airport can file a complaint of any kind? And that gets wrapped up from somebody? There is. Yep. And there's a link on our website for the complaint, which that goes to a department of the city of Burlington to investigate the complaint and go through. But it doesn't go directly to you first. No, it doesn't. That's a shame. No, it does not. Because I don't regulate the, we don't regulate the taxis. No, no, not the tax. I mean, just anything on the airport, whether it's a taxi or whatever they didn't like and their experience here at Burlington Airport would still go to the city. No, no, no. It'd go to the airport. Yeah, I thought you were talking just. No, no, no. Yeah, OK, so that's interesting. And at one point, the airport commission was involved with the taxi board with the city of Burlington. Way back, they were at the city of Burlington. Jeff Munger and Bill Keogh were at the taxi board. Yeah, that's right. Look at that. And there's not unfortunately, there's I don't know if there is a board right now. Yeah, I think we, I think it was. Most of it. And now the transportation. Now the two committee of the Transportation, Energy and Utility Commission, which is a subset of the Burlington City Council is responsible for taxis. Well, for a while, the late night taxis had become just absolutely awful. And I take it fairly often. So you switched to Uber and then Uber priced jacks after midnight to come to the airport. And so now you better off back with the taxis again, because the taxi will charge you $21 to get to North Avenue at Burlington. Uber will charge you $57 at midnight. And then, and now you don't have any control over the gouging of Uber. So it's interesting that for a while, the taxis were like, ah, and those are all shaky and sketchy, and now they go nice again. Maybe it was better than the competition. OK, so follow-up items. We're taking off commission rules, procedures. We're leaving on the overlay. Do we want to add this taxi issue to further intersection? Yeah, I think it's an update. Yeah, can you also put on this? I don't know when it will come up on our formal agenda, but the architect visit as well as a follow-up item. Absolutely. Anything else anybody wants to add? Greg, Jim? OK. All right. Executive session. So I will accept a motion for us to go into executive session. I'll move to executive session for the purpose of receiving updates on legal relations agreements with employees with who's going to be here next. Nick? Me and the staff that is here today. And the staff that you have to change the entire thing? I think he changed his name. Correct. OK. So we sent out the executive session link to the missioners. So just to let the ones on Zoom know that we will be leaving this meeting and going into the executive section. Greg, you and Jim both have that link? We do. Just a point of procedure. I second Helen's motion to go into executive session. All right. All those in favor of that motion? Aye. Opposed? OK. Are we going to come back? Will we be taking any action? You're not taking any action. No action, but we will come back to adjourn. So the public doesn't. OK. So, Jim, Greg, the switch.