 Ni mekwa fabuza, hod view mazifya n Sono, niki ni kufu hafizikatiaj wa wakamaqand si tumibu wa milo kwa majimisha kweni Madaraka daye, ma mekwa sayo 수�lifte matiaweza, mww majimisha kweni mazifya, mwwo mww majimisha kweni mazifya majimisha kwenipu wa mwye mwye mwye kwenimisha, mwye kwa majimisha kweni mawye mwye Mwye kwa majimisha Karjuki Ngunjiri and Daniel Oroga, both political analysts. How are you? Thank you. Sana. Sana. Let me begin. How was your Madalaka Ngunjiri? Ya, of course, we had an extended, do I say extended or another holiday. I hear there is another one coming on Wednesday. Yes, in the future. The most luckiest thing to those people who work every day is that that holiday will come on a working day. Unlike the one that came on Saturday, on a normal weekend. To no sense. Yes. Although we had quite a good experience on Saturday. I want to, before I make my opener, just to say hi to, there is a very low hotel at my home ward, Geda Ward. That is, I was informed the moment I posted that I would be coming here. I was informed that they will be tuned. That hotel is called the Wajudizu Hotel. And they serve very good tea as well. We will teach you there. Alright, you will plan on that some day. Daniel, how did you celebrate your Madalaka Day? Well, just like Mijia has mentioned, this fell on a weekend. Some of us never realized it was a public holiday as well. The traditional way of celebrating a public holiday. Getting to this time here and feeling it and enjoying a band. So I personally took time to watch the proceedings that were televised. But I think it was so good to note that that was the day if a Champions League finals were also being played. I think most of young people like us were celebrating more of a double in a holiday. As guys were waiting towards the finals. Alright, let's get down to business. We want to look at the President's speech during the Madalaka Day and we begin with the economy where he said we have grown to 6.3% that was by the end of last year. But still we have common money and she is still struggling with the basic needs. Would you say 6.3% is good for a country that has a majority of its citizens struggling? Okay, you see, yes we have had tremendous growth ever since the country got its independence. And we cannot beat ourselves hard because of the 6.3% growth. The country is heading in the right direction especially when we look at our infrastructural architecture. We have the SGR the first in the 56 years. So many gyms have been saying that it was not possible but at least we can be able to see that there is something that has come out of this. In terms of even the economy competing against the East African and African giants we can also not beat ourselves hard because at least we are somewhere positioned in the African continent and that means that even as we compete with the other global partners we also have to seek our own domestic growth and that one comes and brings an overhaul in the whole SMEs and the private sector. So I think we are doing well. Daniel, inasmuch as we are at 6.3% by last year the president was quick to reckon that there have been struggle, it hasn't been easy but still would you say we are at a better place? Well let me try to be very candid about this because you see that is the government projection that we had 6.3%. I think some few months ago you quite have noticed that the international monetary fund projected that Kenyans were still at 5.6% that is the economic growth. So it quite difficult for me as young person to believe where is the actual figures that I should trust when it comes to updates on economic growth. But that per se what are then the measures that one considered for an economic growth? One, what is the absorption of young people who are graduating each and every year from tertiary institutions, universities, colleges and university colleges as well. You realise that the president said that almost 800,000 jobs had been created. But then where is the replicate effect of that? Because it could be seen. So mine is to take a very critical trajectory by trying to provide a constructive critic to the concerned parties because then they would be widely publicised for us to know the beneficiaries and the effect of creating 800,000 jobs pumping them into economy. We are also staring to the fact that our major export is Britain and now with the issues of Brexit and we are offered a free trade area in the United Kingdom. Can we begin to think that even as we compete regionally and try to wrestle countries like Nigeria and South Africa and the rest who are actually economically stable, what is our performance in the international markets? Now that we are exporting avocados to China into Mauritius what then is the tertiary really needs to give the actual and accurate replica effects to economic growth because that is also what our founding fathers said that this is where we are standing 56 years down the line. Gojiri, he has just mentioned about the unemployment and the employment that was created and still matters education. I remember the first speech by the founding fathers he said he will eradicate poverty ignorance and that was to see that every citizen has the know how we have seen people and actually the president also was quick to point out that there are people out here who have gone to schools but they do not have jobs. We have seen the curriculum being changed in the recent days we have seen that change. Actually I was speaking to one of the principals some days back and he was telling me one of the things they want to change you see then an example where you saw a passage like fetching water or transport by water water by tank, by gerekans or something they will not only see the pictures in class but now they will be making the students do that if it's by gerekans you go to the tap put it there and carry it so you will not only see the passage because they want these people when they come out here they will be able to do something by themselves now do you think this curriculum is going to change things to be better than they are today because we are here some of us are still looking for jobs well one day Mr. Chachi said that they will come at hand when the burden of change will chop loudly and each and every person small or big will march straight forward with courage and determination for change let me say there is a complete remake in our education sector and especially the competence based curriculum which is supposed to be implemented and taking shape as the discourse continues then the question of bringing skills closer to the young people especially in the informal sector as well as people who can be able not only to get into the white collar jobs but also to be able to create jobs themselves and also get into the technical sector and gain technical skills whereby we say it is not everyone who was blessed with psychomotor skills if you want to call them that somebody could be good in football we saw the other day a Kenyan born star who plays for Liverpool today and flying the Belgian and the Kenyan flag high so that one tells you that where we are as a group and at this age we need to capitalize on the technical skills so I think the competence based curriculum and in its complete overhaul right now we have come a long way from the British one that was accepted after the 56 years that we are celebrating in the past few days and so I think we have had a complete paradigm shift when it comes to education and how skills and competence in education and this one will go a long way in producing competent graduates who will not only be dependent on an economy that creates jobs but will also be essential in the economy to create jobs so for me I really think that the country is in an economic all time high when we take the competence based curriculum seriously and when it is implemented to the letter now let's talk about manufacturing and enterprise we had the president give a directive on the things that you will be coming into the country and it's something that has brought a naprol because now it's time we will see an influx of contraband goods we saw that happen last year and now we have our manufacturers we have sugar companies in our country we have other productions but now do you think this directive Daniel is going to implicate Kenya? I'm struggling to still understand what is the effect of that directive I know very well that our manufacturing I wonder why we are importing Mitumba for example why they can locally produce clothes here and all other industries are really shutting down here why would we begin to do revive these industries but then there is an initiative is buy Kenya or promote Kenya or something like that so when we have international manufacturers and we are still exporting products for value additions in other countries and return them back and sell them at very high prices for Kenyans I think it's really for me this is what I call declarations that really require sometimes policy makers and experts to advise on what to do but then maybe I can comment on something that you didn't ask me but then you put it on the table about the curriculum sorry but let me just this is my input about the best curriculum when I think is a good initiative to try to develop skills not only make Kenyans become test them in intelligence quotient but even social capacity how do we relate how do we be proactive I still have a problem when stakeholders for example like Matt still cast their questions about this wonderful program so it goes back to what you really mentioned in the news that Kenyans would run and criticize something that would not involve public participation Kenyans are so intelligent even Mamamboga down there in Kibera in Murangan knows exactly it can be consulted to give an input on what something is so for me I see no problems initiatives that are trying to promote Kenyans but I have a problem when there are initiatives that are decisions are made at the bottom without involving the participation in the input of Kenyans like these manufacturing well I think it needs more consultation more policy input even young people because we are missing in terms of these consultations how do we get to be involved now in the interest of time let's talk about food security in Gojiri we still have issues of delayed payments to maize farmers and even in petition of locally available goods we have seen that happen and actually inputs how they could be decreased to a point where the farmers could afford now do you think we are at a code place to say we will be secure because just recently we had drought informing in some parts of the country okay well I should have begun by telling you that my answers I will try to make my answers as short as possible well so the issue of food security is as we speak we have so many challenges and you have seen farmers in the left valley complaining of the price that the government is buying their maize as well as we have seen the leaders from left valley also complaining that the subsidized fertilizers that were supposed to be delivered to farmers are not indeed in the stocks and have not been delivered so this begs the question why then would we start a discussion of how much do we sell a bag of maize as opposed to the production aspect whereby we are able to give farmers subsidized fertilizers and the government is able to make sure that even as the maize grows there is an investment on farm inputs we have farmers are educated on various and safe means of doing agriculture so I think there needs to be a complete overhaul or a complete remake in how the government approaches agriculture for example it's not only maize we have also coffee I come from a coffee growing area and you also saw the other day the young people are frustrated and they cannot trust what the government promises on a daily basis that they are going to improve the coffee sector so I think that there needs to be a paradigm shift and a remake in the whole agricultural sector whereby we have a cabinet secretary who is not as he's doing his job but he's capitalizing on making sure that before that seed is harvested as a plant will make sure that agriculture is the backbone of this country and thus I feel we should take this thing the president should also as well in the food security as placed in the big four agenda should be the first agenda so that we have heard the people people who so for me I think that there needs to be a paradigm shift in the whole agricultural sector alright we are out of time I would have loved to continue this conversation but should be I haven't made it and you see we also got late don't be producer for my parting short food security is not only a matter of putting food on the table I have always said that it's a matter of distribution this is a very funny country that we have suppliers and we have deficit at the same time it's very funny you know why some trucks are waiting for them to clear maize in Kitale other people in Turkana at the same time were suffering out of anger lastly you didn't mention something on corruption if we had time we could say but then the bank rolling of the new notes that is maybe a thousand notes I think this is where young people can now get a job and try to distribute these a thousand notes to the banks and they get paid you know those who own these money should give us so that we begin to take them alright we know who is being banked I think we are asking for a job but there is another job it's too short for millionaires to clear these a thousand notes they should employ us to finish that money alright many things I want to finish with this quote by the president actually something that I found it very important he said that he would like all Kenyans to remember that we fought for self-rule and that it is our responsibility to protect it what divides our out nation today this nation that we love is divisive politics and corruption no societal difference or religion there are three ways to complete the quest for cohesion and that we must stop corruption our kind of politicking and read ourselves of everything else that divides us that is what the president said many thanks for keeping us company they have been my guest Karyuki Gonjuri political analyst and Daniel Orogo political analyst as well now coming up next is Waimashariki stay tuned for the same I will see you on Friday until we have a good night