 Okay, right now we're being joined by the publisher, CEO of Christina Report and former Chief Press Secretary to the Reversed State Deputy Governor Dan, his Excellency Engineer Tella Ikuru, in the person of Mr. Gotswheel Jumbo. Mr. Jumbo, good morning and welcome to the program. Good morning, plus TV, meeting you again. It's good to have you join us. Okay, tell us, bring us to speed, up to speed rather, what is happening in Port Harcourt? From outside Port Harcourt, it seems as if there's a political fire that is raging and trying to consume everybody in the wake of it. So give us an update of what is really happening in the government house as we speak. Okay, so time, the timeline begins from 10 p.m. Sunday night and that's when the fire incident happened in the chambers of the Reversed State House of Assembly. Chairs, computers, furniture, equipment, we are damaged and then whatever they were doing that night, a lot of people, so we were alleged that they were trying to remove the majority leader that night and then trouble started. So that was 10 p.m. and then by about 10, 30, 11, the Federal Fire Service stepped in, put out the fire and then the Commissioner of Police Reversed State was also very proactive, quickly deployed, his personnel heavily armed to secure to assert authority over the complex and hold down the place to avoid Foda Wahala there. And then by about 7, 7, 7, 30 a.m. and then we had the Speaker of the House of Assembly with 23 other members, you know, gathered in the auditorium of the Reversed State House of Assembly and removed their colleague, right on the board, AHA Edison, as majority leader and then now moved the motion which all of them agreed on to serve a notice of impeachment on the Governor of Reversed State, Excellency Siminalai Fubara and then dispatched after that and then about an hour later the Governor himself had to proceed to the place to check what happened and before he left Government House, some youths had converged at Government House, he had to address them and after addressing them he now moved to the House of Assembly on the way, we must understand the viral videos where policemen were giving him a very warm bath that morning, spreading with watercolors and all of that. But then he waded through it and got to the Assembly complex, checked the damages and right there he said the place was not fit for purpose, it was damaged and then as his Chief Security Officer of the State, he has not approved any other venue for the House of Assembly to sit and declared that whatever was done there was no language and then he now proceeded back to Government House by then the youths from different parts of the state had converged from the streets of Potatots and then they spotted him back to Government House. Then about two, three hours later we now see Honourable AHA Edison addressing the press that he has now been elected the new Speaker and that the other Speaker much in Assembly really has been impeached alongside his deputy and the other members who served the notice of impeachment of the Governor have all been suspended and will face disciplinary panel or whatever and that is promising reverse people, he will hold the state together for the Governor to represent all of that and he said himself and his colleagues that that was about three, four p.m. there about and after that well some comms started returning around the city more or less somebody has been removed and then the person who has been removed now we move another person, somebody was impeached then the person who was impeached now impeached another person so it was a galore a bazaar of removers and impeachment you know all of that so that's like what happened yesterday then let me also put it on record that no local government chairman was removed from office the State Executive Council was also not dissolved the new Speaker and his colleagues only recommended the suspension of the Chief Judge of the State Justice Simion Amadi now we also don't have an official statement from the government if that suspension has happened we do not have it so the things trending on social media are actually more speculative only the Chief of Staff and the CSO to the Governor were removed from office all other the solution SAC and all of that are actually speculative I spoke with the Commissioner of Police sorry the Commissioner for Information and Communications I'm up to say about Joe Johnson this morning and he confirmed that no local government chairman was SAC and no State School member was removed from office so for that how far we've gone so and then the police to have like you have settled authority across those critical areas of the city you know to make sure that there is calm and everywhere returns to normal so that's where we are at now okay but that means you're confirming that the Governor has endorsed the new Speaker that has been elected when this problem started right yes we can say that because the Governor is a verified ex formerly Twitter handle has already got later the new Speaker so we can actually confirm that okay they speculations you say there are a lot of speculation maybe this is speculation as well but whatever is happening in the State Assembly or anywhere else near Government House people are saying the target is the Governor himself the Governor someone somewhere wants to remove the Governor if this is true what really is his crime okay for that one there is actually no speculation you know the things happening are clear the Governor is the Godson of the FCT Minister the members of the House of Assembly all 32 of them are political Godsons of the FCT Minister so when we see them acting against each other and trying to impeach the Governor it is clear what is happening you know we are not speculating the something was given between the Governor and his political Godfather which is now leading to the voice in the House of Assembly trying to you know ask the Governor maybe the process is maybe unwholesome but as per the agenda is clear then let me also put it on record that Godfather is a strange to Governance in River States it has not worked Odili came into Government through Chief Rufus as a judge the Godfather factor did not work between them Odili produced Rotimiya Meji the Godfather factor did not work between them in fact when Amici became Governor he set up the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and docked his political Godfather the man who made him everything is in politics he docked him and wanted him the outrage was all over the States you can do that to your political Godfather but that happened and then Amici produced Wike the Godfather factor still did not work because Wike came back with federal power to fight Amici and giving up to tomorrow they are still engaging a cat fight, a foul fight and all kind of rascality that has turned River States upside down and then now if Wike is intending to be a Godfather to sin it's clear through the events of yesterday that that's not going to work it's very clear Asim is already asserting himself as the Governor of the States so I need to clarify that that for about four dispensations now Godfather Azim has not worked in River States so we don't see it happening so that's what is happening and people need to get that perspective I still am not clear what particularly they are accusing Simov the Governor of because if you want to impeach someone you will accuse him of something which is tangible enough that people will see and say he didn't do well in this or that what are they saying the Governor did? Okay, about that there's actually nothing the Governor has done so far in fact yesterday all the removals, impeachment and the suspension, whatever none of the victims the targeted victims none of them were identified with any misdemeanor, any crime the House of Assembly guys who serve the duties of impeachment of the Governor only alleged gross misconduct how do you define gross misconduct? it's a vague term it's an unwieldy term that is neither here nor there the Governor is just five years in office what appropriations has he done what expenditure has he done has he fought with anybody on the streets has he maybe assaulted his wife at home did he abuse the FCT minister what is his offense so when you don't have anything against the man you now come up with that vague term of gross misconduct that is actually floating in the air as far as the underlying factors you know we have the rumors which are unconfirmed and I need to emphasize there that they are unconfirmed there's the speculation that oh that the Godfather has the Godson to providing two billion every month we don't know if that is true but we understand that for about three months now two three months that that money has not been made available and that is at the heart of all of this and then there's another rumor that there was this understanding that the Governor will run the administrative aspect of the Government while the his Godfather will run the political aspect so the Governor cannot see anybody cannot do anything without the approval of his Godfather and all of that and then somewhere along the line something gave especially with his visit to the Songai farm the Songai farm is the initiative of the Rotimiameki administration and that was a revenue a very key revenue for the River State Government so seeing going to visit there and thinking of revamping the place I think many people suggest that that was the elastic limit and then things fell apart so all of that is still speculation there's no factuality to them we are not there, we don't know what Father and Son sat down and agreed on they signed any documents whatever but these are speculations that are out there on the streets so that's it so we look we are spectators we are observing but as per what is in black and white there is no offence so far that has been handled against the Governor that is valid no apart from gross misconduct you know I can actually look at you and say you have committed gross misconduct now what is gross misconduct okay frivolous as it might sound but is it the Governor against the entire House of Assembly or does he have some people who are loyal to him or to the Godfather well I said now to be too early to say but we know that 8 members of the House of Assembly stayed away from the impeachment drama and we understand that those are the 8 members who rallied around the Governor and also elected the former Deputy Speaker and later Majority Leader of the House as the new Speaker so those 8 on the Governor's side if it is out of loyalty we don't know if it is out of patriotism we don't know but what we know is they are not part of the impeachment process and we must also understand that the Governor and those House of Assembly are like children playing in the same House they are all children to the FCT Minister so if they are now going against each other we are trying to understand what is going on between them and among them but we know now that 8 members are not part of the plot to remove the Governor from office but whether they are doing that out of patriotism or out of loyalty to the Governor we cannot see for now what about the relationship between the Governor and his Deputy Governor we have seen in other states that Deputy and Governor they are the words that are fighting and then somehow Speaker of the House of Assembly is it on door or so that we have been the Deputy Governor in on those states so on those states we see Governor and the Deputy is fighting so in reverse state what is the relationship between the Governor and his Deputy well one I would say quickly that it is too early to say because these two persons have not been seen together like any time recently we don't know them to be together we know that I think Commissioner and she has been around government for some time but out of the blues we just started hearing about him when he was Director of Finance and Accounts at the Government House and then later Accountant General of the states so that relationship is not like founded it's not a background that we don't have it so we can't even begin to say if anything has fallen apart between them but in the course of the election you know the campaigns and the election they were all together whether that is a function of them following their leader or as per personal relationship we can't tell but as as it's now in the middle of all of this we've not seen the deputy governor act in any way against the governor we've not seen her make any statements we've not seen her hold any meeting you know and trying to circumvent the governor we've not seen that happen and for those who know Professor Angozio she doesn't appear to be that kind of person who undermines people who betrays people who are caught people we don't know her to be she's a seasoned academic we've known her back at the nation's university and to see COE and all of that so she has a consolidated background of responsibility responsible conduct rightitude and all of that so what you know the political space in Nigeria has a way of messing up people we've not seen that happen to her yet maybe in the days coming as things unfold we'll be able to know but as of now we don't see any fight any rift between the governor and his deputy but if you actually if Angozio do is loyal to the FCT minister that's for sure because political renaissance you know is a function of the FCT minister's effort when he became governor he kind of brought back a lot of people who have become politically moribund you know brought them back into the political space and created them with appointment opportunities and all of that so for that I want to believe that her loyalty will be to him but if that loyalty will or has you know made her to start fighting the governor we don't know about that we have not seen anything in that respect okay there's also speculation we're talking speculations a lot of speculations today some of which you are confirming there are no longer speculations some people feel that this is just the first step to a lot of people cross-captaining as it were to the APC instead of the PDP you know the governor and all the house of assembly members won on the ticket of the PDP right and now the FCT minister seems to be loyal to APC more than PDP that's the speculation so can you confirm or deny that these people may be breaking away from PDP and going into APC okay like you said speculation and there is cost to believe that this whole movement from PDP to APC may be actually at the core of this whole haha some people are speculating that there was an instruction for the government and everybody to move over to the APC and some people were like not comfortable with it and you know reverse state you hear the say the reverse state has always been PDP in the sense of actuality really in the sense of like in Banguagon effect you know it has always been in power and then there was a slight interregnum when AMH moved everyone of us in government then to the APC and then you see that even my own boss my principal you know then had to move back to the PDP and then recently you also see the commissioner for transport then and a lot of other political actors even AMH who like is at the core of the river and agitation for and all of that they have to now move to you know the PDP so there is that gravitating effect around PDP but if it is at the core of this it still speculation but for me knowing the politicians who have a reverse state how they lead their life how they pursue their interest I want to think that for me I think it is at the core of it the thing is this whole most reverse people on the streets people think is a misadventure by the former government even within his own in a caucus people believe that the APC team was a misadventure the belief is not something that aligns that fits into the normal political life of reverse states you know so now asking people to now move from where they have always been to APC and giving the massive failure of the APC government since it came on board failing or not from failing even by its own market scheme economy, security everything how do you now convince me to now move from where I am to that and moreover this is a party that has been abused severally serially maliciously in reverse state by the former government the APC team minister so how do you now make it attractive to people that you are leading on to abuse that same party so I think maybe a lot of them are having they are dragging their feet on this maybe that's why all of this is happening or is it ultimately going to happen I don't think so in fact they are receiving another side to it some of the people who have talked to it are the background they are saying that this whole reverse drama may even be an orchestration of the APC post-level trying to undermine the FCT minister because if you look at there's a trend in reverse politics when Odili Dr. Peter Odili wanted to go for presidential wanted to contest for president while he was out there campaigning across the north west north central east south south west back home here in the south south and especially in reverse states he lost he lost that foundation that political base he lost it the same thing happened to Amici in fact the FCT minister many people believe that's well not founded actually because there's a lot of speculation within the political space but people think that the whole thing about the fight was to undermine Amici's capacity to be able to present himself for presidency so he lost the base and you must have heard the political rhetoric then because of the campaigns that if you cannot win your state how can you win the presidential election and even during this last presidential election you see the comparison made that Peter would be one of the south east but Amici didn't win anywhere in the south south and then now you see Nisomike going to the federal again as a minister and so people speculating that he wants to contest the 2027 election then you have seen all of a sudden his own house his own structure collapsing in broad daylight so political watchers those who have looked at the trend and reversed it believing that the whole idea is to undermine the foundation the political base so that it doesn't even begin to prepare for 2027 and from the analysis I'm giving you you want to see a correlation it happened to Amici and now it's happening to Nisomike so that's why some people are believing that this may even be like being orchestrated from the very top to make sure that he loses his structure in reverse state and if you cannot deliver your state you cannot deliver your constituency then how can you deliver Nigeria it's a valid argument right okay well let's let's just also take another thing that we've heard that Amici is washing his hands clean to come back to the table of the PDP to dine can you confirm this because sometimes when the election was going on we heard that while the governor then was working for the present president now for the APC Amici was secretly working for the PDP can you confirm this is he returning to PDP or you don't see that happening soon okay as per returning to the PDP I already said that reverse politicians gravitate towards PDP because actually that's like hope for if not 18 90% of reverse politicians that's like hope for them so I wouldn't be surprised if we wake up one morning and then Amici is now in PDP I wouldn't be surprised why because the factors and the key players who are driven out of PDP and more or less either out of PDP now or silence you look at that the key actors then who were fighting him who were making it uncomfortable for him to function fully as the leader of the party being the governor of the states then they have now been relegated to police club oblivion by the outgoing governor who is giving his own boy he went on a weekend lost it with his initial political godfather John Humberta who in single handedly made him the obiaco chairman when they lost it whatever happened between them Amici was the one who intervened and took him to Odili and then they resolved all of that and then he had to go for second tenure when the Amici K-led team happened weekend step team who beat aside all of them and then they fought until October 25th 2007 judgment and then upon inauguration Amici appointed him as his chief of staff Amici still recommended him to President Jonathan to be appointed as a minister President Jonathan confirmed this when he came he mentioned the bridge at the along the road that leads to NLNG around about the protocols you know so he said he never knew a weekend at all that it was Amici that introduced him and recommended him to be appointed as minister now you now see the same weekend turning around to fight him and harass him and all of that you know over the years and then there is this cat fight between them you know when you look at all of that you begin to wonder what's going on but now weekend has found great pastures weekend has found great pastures in the APC though he's dragging his feet you know I think he's making his calculations of moving and all that we follow so he's dragging his feet you know and maybe he's also trying to see if he can move in the hope of his machinery to the APC so if Amici wants to question I will be surprised because those people that weekend was allegedly fighting they are not quiet they are not there in the mainstream in the media anymore and then secondly Amici has always wanted a river line government for river states in fact he felt that after his political godfather Epida Odili you know served out his tenure and he also served out his tenure in next dispensation should have gone either to the river southeast or to river line but when the calculations were made Amici went for river line because southeast yes you are still upland river line has not gotten at all why not wait let the dispensation go and then he tried to project at the computer side that met a great wall it was fought mercilessly and then somehow by the by the workings of fate now seeing Fubara from Kupupo you know in the river line is it something that Amici would want to embrace yes of course that may also be a reason for Amici once wanting to come back to the PDP and then thirdly once of Amici's henchmen are now in the PDP and their stake holders so coming back to where your voice are wouldn't be out of place so I wouldn't be surprised as a person if I see tomorrow Amici's announcing on TV that is now in the PDP I wouldn't be surprised so even this speculation I think is speculation founded on underpinnings a lot of things are going on as we speak and for river state actually the recent years are very gruesome very distressing for the political actors and stake holders because of how the system was being run so if now they see this as an opportunity to rally around Seminalai Fubara to patch him and his political godfather I think they would hesitate they would want to crowd around him come back to the PDP crowd around him and providing the support in this to be able to stand up to his political godfather that is if he still is political godfather after all the years today okay that's very interesting analysis you're giving to us but there's a critical question that a lot of us have been asking from the time of campaign till this moment how is it that Wike is still a PDP member in spite of all the things he has done against the PDP in River State he is still a member what is that card that he's holding over PDP of River State that he cannot be removed okay it's not actually that he cannot be removed there's nobody that is not dispensable nobody not even using Wike that is not dispensable everybody is dispensable but there are dynamics around this the political environment in River State now let's try to look at certain things one he has been the one bankrolling the party for several years now we don't know under what processes we don't know how that bankrolling happened whether they were done in compliance with early finance rules of the country we don't know we don't know if they had to undercut the processes to be able to do that financing and all of that we don't know so what if the rules were not followed what if the procurement laws of the country were not adhered to in the course of providing that support that can actually be a factor for blackmail so if he moves now it will be two ways what will the PDP hold against him what will he hold against the PDP that is one then two do you after the way he has advertised himself in the course of this whole political period he has been in the public space will he single only him now move to the APC let's try to look at that no local government no senators no House of Rep members no party star wars stakeholders just him moving to the APC I mean his value naturally will plummet it will just dive dive down and all of that so we are thinking that that may also be another restraint try to get your house together and move everybody just the way he moved everybody in the government SSPAs commissioners, S of NDAs whoever whoever everybody move from the PDP to the APC I think that may be what he wants to achieve before moving and if you look at his body language we get somebody who likes drama who likes fear star he likes it to happen big so I am thinking that that may be what he is working on to get the house together and move in a big way in a fanfare way to the APC so that this whole thing between him and his boy saying Fubara may be undermining that and then let's also look at something I said earlier previous states has always been PDP we are the media people we are spectators who have been watching the political space even what Amici tried to do with the APC you can see that it is not sustainable over time everybody started leaving going back to the same and observe that they didn't go to any other party when they left APC they left APC back to the PDP now when you look at that so I think that may also be a factor that is making it difficult for him to move then bring in the legal implications you know if he is to move when he was governor if he moves when he was governor what will be the legal implications to that and then what about the police school implication if he moves if he had moved then especially after the winner of the election if he had moved then without ensuring that PDP won the election in reverse state in a challenge and then now that his art of office is now a minister if he moves what if some of his men don't follow him so I am sure he is looking at all of that dynamics to be sure he has his arts together before moving but as you can see with the analysis I am giving you it is not a work in the past it is not an effort you can achieve easily because reverse state is intensely PDP is intensely PDP we as journalists we can tell you that we have always been here every politician you know in reverse state either they started from PDP and moved to somewhere else or they moved from where they were and came to PDP or they passed by PDP or they stopped by PDP somehow is that so moving from PDP I think is a tall order for him he is not moving yet okay let's just wrap it up with a word to the the reverse people talk to the reverse people because some people are really afraid what this might turn out to be so speak to your people how their mindset should be at this point and how you need to move on if all my brothers and sisters in the reverse state I want to like ask them to emulate Boni LGA my home LGA Bonia Island the way the politics is played in Boni is such that no matter what happens at the campaign ground at the election for polling units at the coalition centers there is this saying in Boni that at the end of the day we will all gather in Kuba Nongo in Kuba Nongo is where you refer to as Kuba Square is the gathering point of the Boni people is at the center of a Boni town where everybody converges and if you follow the last event the 25th anniversary celebration of the king that will wear the climax up on the main event now that saying actually implies that we are our differences we should remember that we will meet in a particular place where we will identify ourselves to be one now reverse people need to think in that direction at the end of the day we are all reverse people whether it's Ngeni, Abua, Ahuda, Peie Oba Imani Obolo Indoni What again Ikure all of that we are one and if you look at it Riba state is like a microcosm of Nigeria I don't know any other state that has this high concentration of different ethnic groups but see how we fuse together like in school in work we interact with each other we understand ourselves so we should not allow the political interest of one person, two persons, three persons in order to undermine that unity that oneness that identity of who we are we should not allow it at all at all and then it is the responsibility of everybody in Riba state to ensure that governance in the state is protected when politicians have played their cards and now they landed a river from Oba Ibermandoni to Ikure local government and then to Obiako and now to Okupu in Koron local government it is all of these governance and reverse people other judge was Ocrika Ogini was Oba Ibermandoni Amethi was Ikure Nyesawike is Obiako now same is from Okupu we are one so we should not allow anything to undermine that and in our quest for protecting the governance of the state we should also not allow politicians to re-rape us into where we destroy what is beneficial to us we really need to wrap it up at this time sir we really need to wrap it up here we're so glad it was you that came to give us this analysis on what is happening in river state we do hope that like you said they will play the kind of politics that Bonnie plays we will meet at that place you go and take fish and man soup ok so thank you so much for being a part of our program this morning Mr. Jumbo yes I feel appreciated thank you very much so we've been talking with Mr. Gotswill Jumbo publisher CEO of Christina reports and we were talking about the climate in river state and we do hope that you had a great insight into that this is where we're going to wrap it up on the show this morning on behalf of the entire crew of breakfastonplus.tv Africa my name is Nyam Ghul at Gayji thanking you for today and asking you to 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