 Okay, drum again. Okay, we're delighted to interview old friends who are a company that are doing a form of energy harvesting that's totally original and new. It's called Wit Energy and Mary Wicket who's a founder. That's correct, that's correct. In the very beginning and she perhaps can tell us a little bit about how things have changed in the last year. How the project is progressing. Okay, basically the Wit is a unique solution that harvests all natural occurring emotional energy and turns it into electrical power. Which can be stored and you can call upon it when you need it. The diversity of the Wit. How we progress. The diversity of the Wit is that now we're now showing how it can be used in dragonflies as in wind. We can show it in subsea oil, the subsea oil in gas and ocean studies. We've extended our team. We've now got Admiral Sir James Burnall Nugent as our chairman. We have a new CEO with 35 years in manufacturing background. And basically he knows exactly what to do to bring the products to the market. And the market is enormous from very small to large. This here gives you an example of developing countries on a backpack or it can be on a bull cart. So you're taking the natural energy that's happening from rough terrain and actually taking all of that energy and giving them a power solution. What are we seeing here? This is an example of subsea. Now subsea for subsea oil and gas sensors but also the actual studies in our ocean has become more and more of concern. We want to know what's happening. We want to know where mammals are actually moving from and to. We want to know about security. We want to know about ocean temperatures. We want to do understanding what's actually happening. And we can do that now by having what we call a stalling wing. Sorry, it's called a stalling wing. And basically the stalling wing will harvest energy from emotional water. So that could be used in air or water or is it specifically water? Specifically for subsea. When we're looking at applications on the air we've designed an unstable shape called the dragonfly which actually moves constantly presents a surface to the wind. So in all these applications you're harvesting six degrees of energy? That's correct. You've got rotational motion in three dimensions and linear motion in three dimensions. And the swinging weight is a part of the function of the device? It is a part of the function of the device in most of the embodiments. Certainly within the potential wind application we would move away from a swinging weight. We would look at having simple sails to produce the effect of the motion. And if it was such a change for the business, start-up business obviously as you learn what's wanted, what's out there and all the rest. But what is at the moment, what do you think could be the biggest income for you through partners or directly in ten years from now? Is it in water? I think what's actually happened is the business has grown. We've become very aware that we have very strong IP but we would like to find partners that want to manufacture or buy a licence. And the licence will be specific to say for a dismounted soldier they would be able to buy the licence to fit in a backpack. The applications that we're targeting at the moment are both marine and for the personal device, for the backpack or the enthusiast walker. We see these as quite large markets but as you know with a start-up your direction can change. So that would be a watt, a few watts. That would be five watts on the back of that unit and we would be looking at 15 watts and upwards for a small marine device. Right, and you were thinking about dingus and things weren't you? Yes, I think there's still lots of things for safety at sea. What we need to do is find a company that has a problem and is needing a power solution. Together we can bring the technology as an R&D company. They can buy the licence and then we can get the technology out there. I've always thought it would marry up very well with a lot of other harvesting technologies like we've just had a talk in the conference by Twingtek on the airborne wind energy flying drones. They can do that from a violently moving platform at sea and in the platform could be your device and they would have the wind power. We met this gentleman at the World Future Energy Summit. We won a place in Abu Dhabi and he was there as well. We've got three more talks coming now on airborne wind energy. It's just one thing we're focusing on this year. So yes, that's extremely interesting. So it could be that someone would be making a basic module even that gets used in different applications? That could happen. I think what we need to do is find we are already in discussions with very large companies. But the actual fact is we will have our CEO and our Chairman, Admiral Sir James, actually in negotiations with the larger companies. That would be great. I mean, when it's on a backpack you'd worry about the weight, would you? I mean, how does the weight compare with a battery? I realise this works better with a battery. Well, in the defence sector, Peter, that's 11 kilos that soldiers carry now. We can reduce it from 11 kilos of battery to one kilo of battery. Wow, yeah. So very often energy harvesting is more heavy but that's much less heavy. That's a big dramatic difference and it means also the other advantage is the soldier is in charge of his power needs. If he needs more power, he runs a bit faster. Yes, that's right. So he actually, in the remotest of locations, if he has to communicate with someone and he's low on batteries, he can run up and down a job and he can take it about. Absolutely. Even if he was on a vehicle, the vehicle shaking would do it. So he wouldn't need to do anything. That's really interesting. Yes, it's wonderful. So how many of you are there now? Oh, we've got 10 or 11 of us in the team. So we've got a head of manufacturing. We've got a head of electronics. We've got a project manager. We have financials. Yeah, we've built the team up. That's wonderful. Only one thing you haven't done and that is you haven't learned to dev an accent. Nope. That isn't going to happen, Peter. It's not going to happen. She's not even trying. That's wonderful. Well, thanks very much. Let's get back and share a session. Thank you very much. See you again.