 I'll call the meeting to order at 6.39. Greetings, everybody. Our note taker is not here yet. And she may not be coming. Okay, so children are sick. Or, or, or, no. So she's okay. Yeah, just like seasonal. So we need to warm up so kids can start getting sick. So we have two members that are out for kid sickness? I just know of Jenny. Megan. Oh wait. Well I saw Megan, she had a kid with fever. Oh, okay. So, um, do we have any adjustments to the agenda to make? I need to be added, please. Is somebody, sorry, is somebody... Don't clean up, this is before we go further. There's what I'm saying. Yeah, we need somebody. Somebody needs to take notes. Um, I can take some notes. It won't be as good as hers, but... Yeah. Let's record. Cool. Did he go? Oh yeah, when does the video get posted, Mason? Usually, uh, 40 hours or so. Okay. Okay, so maybe we should try to record it. Then we can go back to the orca thing. Yeah, maybe we should. Okay. Okay, so, um, the meeting was called to order at... Uh, it was called to order at 6.38. And you wanted to add yourself to the agenda. Yes, I need to be added to your agenda for two items. The first is your FY20 tax anticipation line of credit. Okay. R&D are in, and I need you to take action on my recommendation. What number? Okay. The second item is just, I wanted to present you with your FY19 budget projection. Okay. So that will be action item 6.1, and discussion item, the second piece, the budget will be discussion item 5.5. And then can we also add under discussion item principles report system dates? Okay. Sorry. 5.6 for your... Yeah, I'm surprised you're not just listed as a regular thing. We're just... Well, there's a number of things coming up here, and then I wanted to add those as well, a board comment and a public comment, because they need to be... Yeah. Who did this? Is this different? I think it's because it's had the reorganization. Right, I think she probably cut and pasted it and... Okay. So we'll... Well, we will add a, uh, item, uh, 3A, public comment, item 3B, a board comment. Do we have to reorganize first? Uh, we do. So we're gonna need to do that. We'll do that. We'll do that as soon as we're done adjusting the amendment or adjusting the agenda. I was going to say that. So it actually, 4 needs to go into... Right, 4 needs to go to, uh, yeah. We can switch 3 and 4. That will certainly work. And then we'll call it 4A and 4B. And then, uh... So principles report. Yeah. 5.6. Add, uh, executive session. An executive session. Okay. So we will have an executive session for personnel matters. Personnel. Okay. So we will add an executive session. We'll make 9 an executive session and then 10 will be adjourned. Well, all right. I pretty much read everything. Um, okay. So we've adjusted the agenda. Uh... One more. Yup. Uh, um, I was requested to discuss, though Bonnie's not here, um, uh, pickup, the pickup arrangement here at the school. And, um, just wanted to put it on the record. Okay. In general or specific? Specific to this school. Specific kiddos or just the process? The process of... Okay. Yeah. The process. We can... Pickup process. Should be a quick one. Yeah. So I can take that back to the people who can... Yeah. Presents that. Okay. So we'll adjust our... At the first regular meeting... Oh, do we have... Um, I... We're not... We don't have accepting minutes. We have, uh, consent agenda. We do. But we have to make a number 4. For the annual meeting... Oh, you would... I don't know. Whatever it may be. ...working, right? Because it's your prior board to have to... Yeah, it's a prior board. Your prior minutes. Wow. Okay. You're absolutely right. Sure. We can... We can totally... So call to order... Adjust the agenda. Because that's the thing. You can only adjust the agenda if it's the first thing. Accept as the previous board. Then to a... We will accept... The annual meeting. Thank you. We don't have that. No, we just have May 7th, which is a lot. No, just already on there. Your item 3 is your act to be set to... Right, right. But we were... He was asking to add... Oh, we're gonna add them. I thought I saw them in email. But they're not printed here. So unless you've all read them and screwed them... Is it? It's Tuesday May 7th. Wasn't that our last meeting? That was our last regular meeting. That's what's here. The annual meeting. So we can't approve the annual meeting. No, but we can accept the last... Sure. Regular... Sure. Okay, to keep it if we're gonna be... Got our cheese and... Sure. You're right. Certainly since that meeting was of the old board we would need to accept those minutes, but we reorganize. Okay. So there's minutes attached. Have people looked at them? Yep. I thought they were fine. I would entertain a moment, a motion to approve the minutes as presented. So moved. Seconded. Motion has been made and seconded to approve the minutes as presented. Discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, we have now approved the agenda that was three. Because consent agenda was three it had to be before the reorganizations. Now we're at four. And now we're at four for the reorganization. We are required by law to reorganize the board at the first regular meeting after the annual meeting. We can go through and elect everyone by roles. If we're all happy with where the board has been and are happy to continue in the same roles we can just real life the slate. What is your pleasure? I know that Megan commented that if somebody else is willing to take her place as the full, the secondary union board. The full board. The full board. Did everybody read that email she sent? I didn't know. Was it today? It was this afternoon. Oh, I didn't know. We don't have any internet. She was feeling that she wasn't putting as much time into it as could be. They meet once a month? Every other month. They alternate with the executive board. And as point of fact, item 4.5 is not the only point in alternate. The chairman of the board is automatically sent to the executive board by bylaw. I, the alternate, was I the alternate before you wrote? I have Megan as the alternate. For the executive board? For the executive board. Okay. So this is from Megan. As for electing people, I would reluctantly remain on the full board of the White Rebellion SU. I had a shimmy hard time making time to share attending meetings. I know it's extremely important to attend these meetings. But should be happy to continue to do it if nobody else is willing. But she did want to put that offer out there. Can you just clarification what is the difference between the full board and the executive board? The executive board has power to approve a number of things. It's made up of the chairs of every board. With the exception of electing the SU chair, their board gets a different person on there. So there's a town representative from every town. And sometimes the SU board chair and the town board chair aren't the same. They meet every other month. The board was put together in the first place because sometimes it was hard to get a quorum of the whole SU board. And there were things that would need to be dealt with or approved. And the executive board approves the SU budget? Right. Or the word society kicks it to the full board. But usually the executive board develops the budget. The executive board does a lot more of the nitty gritty detail things. And the full board gets together more to take action based on recommendations from the executive board. Like the executive board will say, here's the budget we represent. We recommend. And the full board will look at it and ask questions and move on. But the idea is it's a smaller group. If you think about it, if you're on the executive board, you're there for the executive board meeting and for the full SU board meeting. So you're there every month. Fourth Monday. Yeah, fourth Monday, right? Yeah. So the executive board is obviously every fourth Monday, whereas the full SU board is every other fourth Monday. And by law we have three people. The SU board is made up of three board members from every district. Who else is a board member? For which? For the full board. So what I have for last year was Carl, Megan, and then you, me, and Janie were going to alternate. We never did, did we? No. We never did. I mean, if we just acted on that, that would make, that would make, if we actually just made that and scheduled that, that would probably take a lot of stress off of Megan. Because you would be going, let's say, potentially every fourth time. Well, there's three members. We had two. Two. And then an alternating group for the third member. But even if we could get two people to a full board meeting, it probably is. Yeah. It would be good. Yeah. And we really, I mean, it's important to be there and make our voices be heard. But there's really not been, I can only think of a couple votes that have really been, you know, where, where we might have. A lot of report out of information. Yeah. From the SU. You know, there's not, there's not a lot of times where the board's been, like, gosh darn it, if we had had a couple more Rochester Stock Bridgians. We would have, you know, the question would have gone our way. You know, general most areas of consensus there. What's, should we keep it as it is or should one of us step up to? I, I can't step up more than that. Yeah. I'm sure you can either. Yeah. That's not the same. Well, maybe we can just alternate. Actually do it. Yeah. Really alternate. I think if we really skip. That's the second spot. That's the third spot. And we've made it in the second spot. But if our stepping up for more support there would help alleviate, because it is nice to have all three there. But if we can always get one or two. Yeah. And I guess a lot of tools, a lot of, a lot of districts, you know, are only represented by one or two. It's not, you know, it's often not. But that would help communication from you and Megan when it's not convenient from you. So that we, as much as head of time so we can make it. Okay. Right. Maybe we could work our own ways. And we can try to pass on and all of this one. Yes. If I know that ahead of time. Yeah. That would be, that would be, that would be doable. And I think take a lot of stress off, off her. Okay. Do we know? I don't hear how many times she ended up going. I thought pretty regularly. She went a number of times. Yeah. And so I thought. Okay. So we should keep it the same. Yeah. So then should we wait to it till we get there? Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, we're at the, we, we can just, if we're going to keep it the same, we can just, we can just reelect the slate and then be done with the organization with one vote. Who was the Truman officer last year? Just said it curiously. Um, Mark Belial. Oh, but he's now working for the town. All right. Can he still be the Truman officer? Maybe he's not working in the. Do you want me to go over what everybody was? Yeah. So we have chairperson Carl, vice chair, myself, clerk Jenny. We've already dealt with three members of the full board. The one members, Carl, the alternate was Megan, the executive board. So that might be something somebody might want to change on the recording secretary, which I'm not sure what that. I think that's Jenny. It is Jenny. But I'm sure that responsibility is different from the clerk. That's your. Okay. Right. The clerk has decided that it has certain responsibilities that might be done. So that was Jenny. Um, one member and an alternate for, um, AP was Janie and myself as the alternate. Um, two members negotiating board was Carl and Ethan and the Truman officer Mark Belial. The newspaper was the Harold W. D. E. V. And the radio station was 96.1. Oh, I'm sorry. That's the radio station. Harold's newspaper. Um, and then we set the meeting as the first Tuesday of the month at 6. 30. And the designated posting places were post office and max, but there must have been a couple more. We do have this one. We don't have max anymore. Of course. We should take that off. I think we had the school, the town offices in our town. Yes. So we have to go through those two here too. So I don't know what that makes us. We have to go through each one individually rather than as a slate. We're really not changing anything. Well, I mean, I think, so she's really talking not so much about the full board as the executive board. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's where the nitty gritty happens, as you say. Right. Well, if you're doing the full board, if she was doing the full board and the executive board alternate, that's a lot. Theoretically, that's every fourth Monday. Yeah. And then she reluctantly remained on the full board of the full board. Okay. So then she would not be the, she would not want to do the alternate to the executive board. Mm-hmm. Um, if I could be off the alternate of the full board, I would step up to the executive board. Alternate. Okay. And then you and I would have to. Yeah. And you too. How does that work? Or maybe, maybe Megan would help, maybe would maybe still do the work. Well, she knows she'd be the second person to the full board. So then you two would rotate further. Okay. It's definitely too much on you, but. As long as I know ahead of time. Right. Yeah. I think that was probably a lot of money. I mean, she had talked to me about it earlier and saying, you know, I can do it for a year. All right. So it sounds like I do need to go through it individually. Yeah. Okay. All right. And do we need to do this proper Robert's rules, nominate and all that? Or just, can we do it fast? Thank you. We can do it fast, I think. Especially since we have people that. Yes. We're sitting here. Fascinating. Isn't it just electrifying? Okay. So I nominate Carl. I second it. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Thank you. Chairperson. I would entertain nominations for a vice chair. I know Amy Wilt. Exactly. Okay. All those in favor of saying aye. Aye. I would entertain nominations for a clerk and recording secretary. Second. Okay. Jenny has been nominated in second. All those in favor of saying aye. Aye. Aye. Three members to the full board. That is myself. Megan and rotating. Amy and Jenny was the. Jane. Jane. Jane. Not Jenny. Jane. Was it was a suggestion? I'd entertain a motion to nominate that. Seconded. Motion has been made in now and seconded to nominate myself. Megan and alternating Amy and Jenny to the full board. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed. Okay. I am officially a member of the SU executive board. We need an alternate. I would entertain nominations for executive board alternate. Second. Ethan has been nominated and seconded. All those in favor signify by saying aye. I don't have the support of the board. I was writing your name. I don't know what you're saying. Negotiations board. Again, one of those roles is traditionally the president. Ethan Bowen had been serving in that capacity. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. whooshing capacity. I am nominating them. Yeah, sure. Wait, negotiate? Second. Have we already jumped past payroll? Yes, they skipped me. We did. Well, we'll do… I just opened nominations for the negotiation board. We'll finish that and come back to payroll. Actually, these are… We're electing people that are appointments. We only have to elect the first three. We do. A point. Thank you. Okay. This is why the English language is good. Very useful. All right. So we will appoint Ethan as the alternate for the negotiations board. We'll appoint Amy and Janie for the AP payroll rolls, correct? Yes. Okay. So we make that appointment. Janie and who? Amy. Amy. We appoint Mark to be the truant officer, subject to confirmation with Bruce. As to, there may be legal requirements, right? I don't know. Don't we want a truant officer who's actually working in the valley? Well, but is he driving for us still? I don't know. He's like a subcontractor. Let's hold off on this too, because didn't we do something with, wasn't there something we just did with a, didn't we pass a motion or something about going with the Windsor County truancy? Right. It's been presented tomorrow, either at an end meeting in the morning. I don't know without the details. I'm sorry. I've forgotten that bit till just now. But yeah, we're supposed to, there's something happening at the SU level with truancy in Windsor County and all that. So let's table appointing a truant officer subject to hearing that discussion and getting guidance from our superintendent. Have you ever been accepted? I know. Mr. May. Okay. Yeah. So we have now, we've designated our newspaper and radio stations as the Harold and DEV. Accepted. First Tuesday. This is the first Tuesday of the month. Still work for everybody? Well, I guess. Okay. We'll keep that. 6.30 p.m. Alternating locations. Our posting places will be the schools and the town offices. And our post office. And the post office. Yes. And I'm sorry, but who's responsible for putting out the post office? Is that our school? Is Lisa do that? Yeah. I wouldn't doubt if Lisa do that. Yeah. I just wanted to, you know, aside somebody. Oh, yeah. You know, if it's our town clerk or I think it's her. Do we know who it is? Is it the town clerk's responsibility to put it out the town office? I mean, it's the right. Or I've done it. Yeah. Just like that. Yeah. I have no confidence in saying that Janet would not mind getting it to the town office. That'd be great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just sent it to Kathy and she posts it. And the post office. Yeah. The post office in Stockbridge wouldn't be a problem either because that's a parent. So we could just give it to a parent. I mean, not to expand. Yeah. Just to make sure it's clear, especially if we're getting new. I know that Stockbridge is getting a new town clerk and if it's their responsibility, it's just nice that they're told this. Yeah. And same with ours. Ours is a new one. Exactly. And her name is our new. Bentown? Yeah. Julie Smith. Julie. Sorry, I forget that. Thank you. All right. So we are now reorganized. Thank you for your book. Yes. In reference to newspapers, I consider Mountain Times. It's a free paper, at least here in Rochester. I don't know about Stockbridge. It floats around there. But Mountain Times is distributed here. We can certainly. What kind of stuff are we posting? We usually send them to the mornings. Well, also they do an article in the Herald about every meeting. Mm-hmm. With what you talked about. Just not? No. Do you have your reporter here today? Yeah. We usually don't. Well, maybe we can. We can reach out. We can maybe have Janet reach out to the Mountain Times. I think it's good to put on as a thought, but the paper that we designate, I think we should stick with Harold. But I do think that that is a great idea too. No. I think anywhere we can get. Grant out more. We can get to take our press releases and our agenda and everything. Right. It's free paper. It's circulated. Yeah. Anybody can pick it up. Yep. All right. So the Black River Design Report. Lay it on time. So they met with the committee, which was myself, Amy and Jenny, a couple of weeks ago. So I'm going to preface by saying, I told you that I tried to, there's a lot of bigger discussions that can come out of this. And a lot of bigger discussions. A lot. Because we even went down that road based on looking at some numbers and some other things. Just naturally it happens. But for the purpose of the fact that we've had a lot of late meetings with budget, some of the bigger conversations, there are probably some discussions you want to have about forming some committees and some other things with the information they're able to provide. This was actually agenda item you and I talked about, which was a retreat. Yeah. Yes. A lot of people have to do it. A lot of people have to do it. A lot of people have to do it. A lot of people have to do it. I guess it's going to do it. Maybe I should have made it. So we went. And then action item. We went line item by line item as the committee. We have, and it took a while. It was great information. It was like it's two hours that we spent or more in that meeting. Right. And that's all it's. It went like that. Yeah. Is that? No, no. We have. No, and that's got it. This isn't it either. So we're still in a draft stage. Right. So this is, yeah. So this is like opportunity for any feedback or questions you have for them before they finalize. We'll start by doing this. Their information. And also. Make fun past the restaurant. Priority. Like. So just as we're looking at this. Same as that. Understand what we're, what type of information we're getting next. Is this book that you're, that you kind of show here is, it's in draft form. And that will be the next piece of stuff we will get. We'll talk about all the stuff that's going to be in the book when we're finished. Okay. That's what I was wondering. At the end you're going to have a little, you're going to have something that you can have with you that's going to have a lot of very dense information. That's what I was. All the charts and spreadsheets that we were looking at the other day. Okay. Plus some support. So who was on that phone call? It was my, the friend who was right here. Right. Jenny. Jenny. Okay. So. Do I just. Yeah. The key, the key document for tonight is this little eight and a half by 11 piece that we've tried to condense some conclusions and whatnot on there to make this work for a 40 minutes of presentation or less and more time than for you, however much you want of questions or conversation. She keeps you for the people who are not here. She's bold. I don't really start for that. So I can go ahead. Great. Thank you. I know Jenny. So the first thing I want to say is this has actually been interesting watching and listening to you guys. How long have you been in unified school history? One year? One full year. Yeah. I have to say I don't know you and I couldn't tell you which of you are from, which are from Rochester. You work together really nicely. So there's people from the same town that seem to be. Sure. I can tell whether they're from this side of the town and that's it. So we want to try to summarize where we've been and what we've done and the information that's now available to you tonight. We are really, I feel we're finished with what we've done. We wanted to make this presentation to you, get a little bit of feedback and we can finalize our reports. There's one more piece of information. We may want to wait a few more months before we insert it in and then hand it to you, which is the asbestos stuff or not. So, and I wasn't at your last meeting, so you know Polly. I'm John for those of you who haven't met me. I'm a partner of Black River Polly. He's a long time employee and project manager here and done at least half. So if you remember, you know, there were three components when we put our proposal in. The first was documenting your existing buildings and we can hand these over to you tonight. And that and probably Tara, you'd like that maybe, or something to keep maybe at the central office. This is the- That has DWG files and Revit files on it of all three schools. So that means you could use it for an AutoCAD program or if somebody has our same 3D Revit program that we use, they've got the 3D models of that building. What is on that is this. Yes, which are, you know, there's a floor plan of your existing building. This is- You are here. This is never going- No, you don't. And now you don't need all those various pieces of ragged plans that are all over the place. He's so excited for something away tomorrow. And in addition, then there's a roof plan, there's some building elevations. What's nice with those electronic versions that you have is if you have the right program, you can kind of spin around the building. You can create whichever view you like. Yeah, I do believe that Jenny- I do believe that Jenny- I do believe that Jenny has either got the program they're talking about or definitely has access to it. Right. So there's the high school right there and the upper levels, the lower, actually I think it's the lower level, the roof, and the building elevations. Does the roof include penetrations? No. The windows doors- I hadn't been on the roof. Really, any of this is a map of the building. And there is, you know, if you really dive in and you're doing a renovation project, you know, this doesn't include cabinetry and a lot of details and obviously- But it has the plumbing fixtures. But it's a base that any engineer that's going to do work in there uses a map that's accurate and has- And of course, as soon as you move a wall or a door or a changing window, it's not right. Oh, okay. So anyway, that piece is finished and those I think will help you and you can put them out off of there at whatever size you want to do your evacuation plans and everything else. So the second piece was the facility assessment, which is really what Polly went over with you the last time, where we sat down with Lindy and Bonnie and talked about what the space needs were and compared to what you have and which buildings. And that's what you're looking at here and I think at the bottom of that sheet, you came up with some number of square feet that the program needs were telling you you could add to there to kind of fulfill your program. And I think what we said here at Stockbridge was 1200 square feet, depending on how much you wanted to add and how that worked. And at, I'm skipping ahead here, this is listed in Rochester, of course. It's a little different. It's a totally different thing. You guys have given us a very interesting problem. I'm not only saying it's not a problem, but I mean it's like a math problem, right? Something you have to solve or work through. So sticking with Stockbridge, we then went through and this was the new stuff we went over with these guys the other day and was kind of not done yet when we got, at the last meeting, we created this spreadsheet here and I don't want to go through this line by line, but it talks about this is the accessibility and the building envelope and there's 10 other categories on there. And we tried to highlight priorities. This is a description of that piece and what we might do to solve that. Priorities and then over here on these columns is we scroll off their polly. There we go. At least I'm not standing in front of the arrow like the guy at our lunch presentation. The guy was in there trying to advance the slide but he couldn't see where the arrow was here because his partner was standing in front of it. So we kind of talked about what is this, this is a drinking fountain. So I had a fountain to make a dual level. If you have one of them per each, we're saying it's a $4,500 cost. In this case then the minimum would be $4,500. Now that's not just the drinking fountain. That's getting the drinking fountain, getting it here, getting a plumber involved, hanging it on the wall, bringing the water pipe to it, making sure there's a drain from it. Question. A two is high or two is low? Priority. One is something you really ought to do soon. Okay, so first. So the darker the more red on there is the more urgent it is. So with that example of the drinking fountain and the cost that you've associated with it, you have done that with all items in here that it is the cost not only just to buy the unit but to what it's going to take to get it for the most part. If that was the only thing you were doing. So of course at some point the project gets big enough there's probably some economies of scale. Correct, right? This isn't really set up to do that quite so much. And we tried to, actually if that were the only thing you were doing it might be actually a little more than that. So these are just, these are not prices of anybody that's saying they're going to do it for that. It's just me taking my experience and saying look this is a good piece. It's a good starting point for us to see that that would be. It's a ballpark figure. And like most ballpark figures if you You don't know how far in the future you're going to be doing this. Right. You've built in some cushion because everything has someone expected. Right. So the wheelie still is not going to be a $500. Correct. So here's the staff restroom. You know if you want to do that we're saying that's $20,000. Well okay, if you do a restroom it's going to be more than a nice new chilled water drinking fountain. Right. So anyway, we found this method to be relatively accurate and highly useful to a lot of people. So without going through each of those things we tried to then summarize right here in words what we found. So at Stockbridge high priority items if you look kind of in the middle of the facility high priority items include relocating the bus plug-in away from the EVE. Our electric engineer saw that and said that's a potential safety hazard. Right. Where the water is running out the roof and you're plugging your bus in. We like to put down the edge. That's really cool. If I lose the bus driver. If you have her awake. So the same with the emergency lighting both inside and outside the building he really thinks you should have a fully functioning system there that has there because if you don't have an emergency it doesn't matter. I believe there it's working. It's just their battery units and they have a lifespan and it's one of those that they deemed as important to do soon. And that detail will be in the report later that will say that we have we're going to be giving a copy of this spreadsheet. This tells you right there that yes they're working and they have coverage but we want new ones because they're battery equipment and if you dig we'll have the engineer's assessment as well which gives you more detail of exactly what they in this paper. And you can see that it's a one right here. Yeah. And we can also give you this when we hand you the pieces of paper to show this I don't mind giving you this Excel spreadsheet and you can play with it all of your life and you can take all the number ones or whichever items you want and add another column on it. Yeah that would be perfect. That's all we do is we add more columns and start hiding them and there's no need to ever delete one of these columns. No. It's hard on an Excel spreadsheet to you know exceed your memory on this too. It goes on forever. Like you used to be able to print somebody try to print the entire worksheet once and we wondered why the printer just kept printing to you all night. Son, you can't do it that way. So again there's that there's the buried oil tank that I think Paul and I have talked to you about the last time that you've got buried oil tanks at all these sites. Our concern is that you really should need to pay attention to that if there is a leak and we're not saying that there is if there is you that causes really serious problems and it's going to burn you down the road because you're going to have a bunch of continued soil. So, oh, sorry. We're suggesting that you get you trip over every time you come into the building. Yeah. Do you know the age of the tanks? This one Stonkbridge installed in 1990s I think. So it's not getting old. I would have to go to that. Is there a way to be able to tell without digging it up? Well, you know Paul and I were talking about that again on the way down here tonight. I don't think it's that easy. The person that I would talk to or the company I would talk to are the people that does your asbestos testing. It's a company called ATC and I know they do phase one environmental assessments and if you were to have a problem there they probably have methods for kind of testing that and it may just be kind of getting down into the tank when it's relatively empty to see if there's any water in that oil that's in there. So or if there's a hopefully with it being a 1990 tank there is an interstitial space in there and that's really what you want to do is you probably just take a rag down in that interstitial space. If it comes up dry, you're good. If it comes up with oil on it the inside tank is leaking. If it comes up with water on it then you know the outside tank is leaking. So anyway that's just something we're saying you should test just so it's something you should know. And this building the tank has a leak monitoring system which you can have unfortunately it doesn't work. It may be as simple as repairing that. Repairing replacing the leak monitoring system the elementary yes tank. The high school we don't know how old the tank is there. Can't be that old the building's only 1970 something. I mean I'm way older than that. So then the last item we had on that list was the asbestos flooring which I know I've mentioned and they're coming to all three buildings they are going to be exactly. So some of that flooring may be worth a project sooner than later if you find it it's not a great shaking spot. So then there's the list of more significant improvements that we recommend. And this is the scope of work that gets a lot harder to define because what I think or Polly thinks and we don't necessarily agree either is to be that ideal project it's going to be different than what you do. So that's why we try to give you this list and allow you to go through a lot of buildings and knowing where people end up on projects. Now some communities will err on the side of doing more some will err and I think it's an error of doing less because then you always wish that you had done that especially if you get a positive vote in a community then you think oh you should have asked for a little more and done those two things that make a lot of sense. So that's kind of the tough stock bridge that there is a real need for some additional space there when I see that copier out in the middle of the hallway and I see some of the other stuff happening in the hallway and it's a special head there. And I think and even your multi-purpose room you know when it's got so much stuff in it and I may be a little biased because the first time I saw that room the stage was there and had been for a couple weeks because there had been some snow days up even smaller and more. So the stage was pulled out but Ed lives someplace that he gets hard to get to. He lives in a shed. It doesn't even go to the shed. It lives on the porch. So he quite needs storage space. Right. So anyway so we think there is some need there and then exactly how much is up to you to decide. May I ask a question if and maybe there's more to Linda than the always. Well there's pretend to be no. No. Not really. I mean storage space would create a lot of it but it would help tremendously. It would get to the clutter. It would get more up to both. There's a real dirt of small meeting spaces in that building for one on one or a small group instruction. There's no seclusion room. There's no program which would be part of the faculty bathroom is an ADA compliant. That's a awesome way to have it. Adding that actually goes a long way because that one single ADA compliant single stall restroom can serve for any student that would need it any kind of gender inclusivity that comes up in the building. Faculty bathroom separate from going in and using children's services. It's all a lot of needs here. So the other major things we saw from our consultants and us was the fire alarm system the furnace in the multi-purpose room the ventilation system and the aforementioned staff bathroom. So now those aren't the only things that we put into this recommended but they're number two. A lot of them are number two. There's quite a few small items in addition that add to that million two. The expansion of the space is what really. Yeah, no, I did not think we were doing something for under a million dollars. Right. Just the top couple that are the 140. So the 140 you know if you go back up to the top so we've got you want to see that I do want to see this that's the far side. So that would be what we're going here the minimum scope. So that is the drinking fountain in the that's toilet partitions in the multi-store bathroom. Right. To kind of make them ADA accessible. Which means wider or just they are so close to meeting code those bathrooms it's inches away. So basically the existing space and I think some shields under your sinks and you're pretty close to there. Pretty simple work. You could meet the federal law that says that's how it's supposed to be. Right. So anyway so when you get this you'll be able to look down and see some of those things that number so this is just a sub-total of the ADA stuff. So it's like 19,000 of that if we scroll down you can see but just a quick question actually I'm not sure for you about that Smokher where where would all this money come from any of this money come from even whether it's 140,000 or 2 million it would come from a bond a bond. Well I mean we might win the lottery and so we're someone in town might win the lottery. But there's also a new resource that they probably and John turned us on to it's called the World World Development Right okay from the feds yeah yeah from the feds and you know it's it's grant and loan not low interest it can be it all depends on where you're at and your poverty level or your your need levels or your income levels and whatnot in town you know Chittany County doesn't qualify because they're not rural alright but but it can be what is some grants it's not rural Chittany County yeah so New York City Burlington there's a lot of there's a couple from the town perspective so but it can be grants some grants but it's always going to be with some loan to match it or something and it all depends on the income levels and your communities so you'd have to talk to somebody there to find out specifically what those are and they also offer on the interest rates they can sometimes get you a longer payback period you know with the lower interest rates maybe it's the same amount but you're spreading it out so there are options there the other thing that I see a lot of school districts doing now and this has come up in the last 10 years or 11 years since the moratorium on school construction they went into place is that school districts are setting aside sinking funds propensity to set aside funds every year to be able when the roof leaks to actually prepare it without rating some other funds in town we have one of them I know we have one in Stockbridge I think you guys took some funds and put it more in Education Reserve but it's not in that it's a hundred and half we have them in the town for as I believe Tara had mentioned in one of her meetings that we want to start going forward with taking a percentage of any amount of surplus that we have and putting it towards our reserve and what I'm seeing sometimes now is they've done that enough that they actually have enough money there but now they have a facility director or someone who is looking ahead and as you get to I would say when you get to the beginning of the year start thinking about what projects you want to do in the summer so that you can get prices on those in these days you really we're finding February is the right time to do this by the time we got to April we couldn't find any contracts but that's just the market right now just another clarification question if I may once you decide that you want to do a project and you bond or you grant who handles those little issues do we actually do the bond do we write the do you do it business on us business on us okay that's what typically through Vermont bond bank yeah oh your business manager in the bond bank would you be our best friends spreadsheet and then I know you're going to involve it in the cabinet oh yeah yeah it's all that especially that's it okay thank you that's one process and there's another with the design team contractors but there's lots of professionals in this state that can help the rich it's amazing just thinking of the scope of this and it's not just one right that's right haven't you been trying to pay for this so as you can see we said that the suggested scope would cost about million two obviously that we talked about so anyway that's that's Stockbrook that one was really simple the current that was that was a fastball that little play the the the Rochester I don't know was a change up or a see a curve ball but it was one of the other things so on this one there's really two buildings so we've really paid for each so with the program piece as probably went over with you last time there was a small amount of space that you might want to add when you're talking about this building you have to think about the concept well in this season we'll say a tornado just went through and destroyed that building over there what would you need to do to be in this single facility well right now right off big picture there's an art room so those would have to be spaces or programs that you'd have to accommodate here you'd have to we have shown it I think is both an art room and a music room separate separate you can always say okay we don't have in that building there's a luxury you've got so much space you just have you know lots of space to do you have an art room and a music room for a hundred how many students about a hundred students yeah you know you may not need both an art you might be able to do it as a single room so that would reduce these costs some but you need to have some way to accommodate them here and I can tell you that there's no rooms in this building that's going to do that unless you were to put them all in the gym somehow I'd use the gym as those spaces as well and now you've just set up for twice as many kids as it's thought about the exact same issue you have there what about dividing this room in half well then you wouldn't have a library and we already I mean if you got to that point it's locked a long time so right it's underutilized right if you put you know 17 kiddos with their art projects and a small chunk of it so I'm just getting better off I'm thinking what Stockberg deal was there I mean again we start to digress a little but you could you could make this into an art music room and somehow have some space that's just art for storage and some space over here and a space in the middle and you either use that stuff in this space and move the art stuff into here I'm just thinking the classic argument the Stockbridge is brought to us again the people of Stockbridge have said what we've been doing it for years right this is the biggest single room in this room right after the gym after the gym that's us and it's underutilized and the library in Stockbridge is a third of this room sure and it's quarter no it's it's it's more similar than you think just just a that's something right and again those are all things that are on the table when you talk about for the purpose of this we said a library is an appropriate space a part of the program for this building it's a huge library person so you know a goal is to have all elementary school functions in one building to do so would be either adding on to the elementary school building or relocating to the high school building so as you look at the program those are the two things we're looking at so first thing if we were going to keep it in this building and add on to the space what would we need to do in the end the additional space is just one small component in that chart that we were just looking at there's space needs and that's one cost component but there's a lot of other things that have to happen in this building so along the lines is that stock bridge the high priority items is the emergency lighting piece again just like we talked about there the buried oil tank like we talked about there's a mixing valve for the kitchen water heater that really should be done because that makes sure that you don't scalding people as the water comes out of the faucets and it's a plumbing code issue and the same with the backflow preventer on the main water supply that's a code issue as well so those last two things I mean there's nothing you want to pay for right out of your pocket at your house but in the big picture of a school budget those are probably just regular maintenance items that you should probably just do hire a plumber and do that's that's my take and it's my plumbing engineer over here you probably make a stronger pitch first than you do not so other recommended improvements in this building though so it was the addition to house the functions of the RHS building excluding the theater in no case that you would add a theater to this building because a tornado went through that building over there right if that happened there was a catastrophic fire in that building I don't see the school district finding a way to build a new theater on here you'd find a way to house art music pretty quick but you wouldn't be putting a new theater on yeah the theater arts they're always they say that's too bad I understand now believe me it's always the first thing that happens then theater then it works up to music it went to sleep and probably I see it here but it didn't wake up there I hope you turn it off and turn it back on yeah we'll try that let's see if we can look over to yours right that's right that's what my two people tell me well we can keep talking we really weren't looking at that anyway so then there's the ADF grays that we've spoken about with the bathrooms and the drinking fountains um there's some roof insulation just a quick question drinking fountains is it actually an entirely new fountain or is it level the code requires that you have five level drinking fountains one here and one here and you have one yeah so we need to do the other touch it and a lot of it is dependent on your local code official who's going to be doing the inspections but again it's an ADA issue and it's a complaint based system that needs that you're going to be doing it especially if their parent is vocal and and being an advocate for their student right um and they're going to have every every piece of law and righteousness on their side yeah and they do and they absolutely do exist yes um so building in the open improvements you know including roof insulation this isn't looking good comment okay just keep it in your mind yeah shut down oh right turn right turn level a lot so there's some roof insulation here that when you redo the roof we're thinking that you should do that that's on this entire building is that right Colleen yes this whole building went and that's one we did not determine how old this roof is so once that's determined has did anybody go up like this yeah there's someone PC right isn't that the one of the ASB PC good memory I think no breathe on I don't I just want to just I was just a question how what's above do you know what's above this like hanging ceilings and stuff structure yeah I mean is there how much space is there just um offhand I don't recall um there's this is the newer way of the building oh that's right yeah so is there insulation in this newer way sure on top we are assuming there is insulation on top of the deck based on what we have seen for documents I have not gone up there it might be worth you know when we get to that point of saying hey the roofing's getting old then we get someone here to cut a core in the roof and patch it we didn't do any evaluation the roof isn't leaking and whatnot I wouldn't tear it off and put new insulation on to do that so I do know there were some leaks like though right by the secretary's office there's leaking ice dams right there's ice dams in that area perpetually but does that weren't we doing the whole roof or just redoing that section it's worth finding out how old this roof is and having someone you know this summer you know but it's you know melted off and you can actually get someone up there to look at it I think that's Bonnie's plan too to go and check how things are looking if it's looking worn and if we have any idea when it was put on and that's you guys that are going to do that or they're just going to look at hiring somebody hire a contractor hire a roof or really a better assessment of any ice dams right there so but with a roof like this adding a layer of insulation on top before you put your layer of membrane on is the easy way that's the time to do it that's why we include it in here as opposed to like stock bridge where the insulation is at the ceiling so they work kind of independently here insulation goes so the other thing which you didn't have to worry about at stock bridge because it's such a small building is the sprinkler system but here if you put an addition on this building it is like designed to trigger the need to put the sprinkler system in the entire building that sounds horrible at first and we all kind of take a well the good news here is that you have a town water supply you've got partial sprinkler system we know that there's water here that you could run with that so it's really just the cost of the pipes and what not you don't need giant storage tanks and $100,000 pumps and what not yeah that's two or three times that if you have to put in the storage tanks and pumps and the generator to make sure that the pump works that's a piece here and then there's the heating and ventilation system has some significant needs in this building which are highlighted in this sheet this building has the original steam heating system it gets changed to hot water here where we are but that old end is still running on steam and there's not two furnaces here there's just harder and harder to maintain so they are suggesting the whole thing just the distribution and all it's just one of the pneumatic more than one of these schools has pneumatic controls which is a very old school way of doing that I think controls at all three schools are due for replacement which is like your actual thermostat do you mean or the distribution pumps yes it's what tells you when the thermostat on the wall senses that you need heat it's an air pressure piece that kind of then changes and moves goes back to the boiler and has it turned on and open a valve and whatnot what we would recommend is a dbc system that you would then have a computer interface and you would be able to monitor the temperature of every room in the building off of your screen and it would send out alarms it would buzz the end and then trigger an app and whoever's phone you tell it to tell you know you can tell it to which you could go to lindy every time you're talking to someone who lives in a house that's like kept at 57 degrees all right well we can go to bruce 76 another switcher I was just thinking just a thought you didn't have much of a honeymoon after passing our budget do we no those are the main things that we found at this building they need to be improved so just like we did before if you go through that card you'll see so as I go through the chart it'll tell us more about that heating system and then when I read the book it'll even dive in deep about that but we'll include in our report we'll include the engineer's report just so I know where I'm going to go to you're going to have to sit down and digest this is just the beginning of the summary this is the summary of the summary I mean that's communicating it and make up a opinion because we have this single big question that's looming in front of us there's two questions that are the big questions so then we looked at the same program that we were looking at in this building and said how would that work in your other building on this site and I guess I can move forward so that is actually at the bottom it starts at the bottom of the middle page RHS yep so if the elementary moves to all right so the high priority items in that building electrical distribution equipment are an old type of panel that had issues with code officials many years ago and there are lots of problems and they don't make them anymore and we still got a lot of problems and again right now you're fine it works but as soon as you need to change things around and put in new circuit breakers that are not really available and these have been questionable in other places so whether you have the good ones and the okay ones or the bad ones you don't know until it's too late do you have some schools have stuff like this too that they are just sort of we keep finding them so after we find them then they usually replace them when they do a project when they do that yeah I think we just did that in Burnman as well for example but there's going to be fewer and fewer of them so that's there in addition when we talk about the battery for the emergency lights and exterior emergency lights and the backflow preventer so again these are really not too big a list here other than those electrical panels that's why they're the only really big thing right there and again you can keep that going it's working fine now we're just trying to highlight to you that's a potential if you move to the elementary program over to the high school we're talking about your bathrooms over there need a lot of work you do have some accessibility issues at the stage and the back half where the music room is right now you you could be on August 26th next fall you could be not using that room for music because there's not a student there's no ADA accessibility to that space unless they come from the outside on the side they have to come from the outside you can come into the music room from the back very far back side the C-boxes are for the players isn't there the door there's no paved access to that door right so from any since you came even out of the tech room you're going across a gravel parking lot and if you come in and cross on the paved walkway you go in that room and you have to go up for stuff at the stage level or there was at one point there was at one point I don't know I think it's been I wonder if we got flooded out when that happened I never got replaced for God's sake so anyway that's something you would want to think about especially if you were moving in there permanently and this building was going to now be the Rochester elementary school you really should address that so there's some building envelope improvements and all that is is that right no we don't we don't oh there's stock bridge oh you know stock bridge you know yeah just but then it's written right it'd be great as you move forwards to keep really good records on when you make improvements to buildings this will help it keeps them in a file cabinet be able to create a document to go forward with right so oh yeah so you say about records so like the roof issue over there you don't have records is there records because I know because we haven't talked to the right person who knew when that roof was replaced yeah but I remember in my time living here they replaced they've done new roofing on that roof in 1993 that's already 20 that's already 26 years ago no where is it that would mean I'm not much older yeah I know I got the same problem but then I don't have so all of you when Kevin Doherty was the what gave this information to Bonnie I believe that when Kevin Doherty was in the head custodian here he did the project to put the new roof on yeah that's what I meant so it was right when I was teaching here yeah so again that was 30 years ago it was a 30 year roof right so 33 we think it might be beyond it's useful like but we're not certain right so again at some point it's going to I mean just because you're not using it it does not it was a wear and tear on the roof it was also leaking last winter as we knew right so it would be a great time if you were going to so it just means it's a good time to be making these decisions this is what we need to replace that roof and then now would be the time to upgrade any wet insulation this air make sure you've got the right depth of insulation on the roof it's going to make it nice and airtight and you'll have a pretty good building out did you see the air gaps in the roof vents in the theater theater no I saw the ones in the mess because we went up in the lifts up to do work in there for one of the shows and you could see as I was looking at the rear vents you could see well it's good that there's vents in there air flow because in the theater and it used to be a big party place it's the major party spots for the high schoolers yeah so moving on yes so again there's some it's a major there's some areas where the engineer felt that your lighting was a little low yeah they were concerned that the bulbs were dimmed over time so it's just a matter of reach would you recommend in order to complete LED we talked about that with our engineer and while we that is a fine idea but if you are looking for payback don't expect it to do much the lighting you have is actually fairly efficient and reasonably good condition so there are other reasons to switch with an LED light you can dim them very nicely and you can if you want to get that same control system what we talked about for the heating system can also be extended to some of the lighting systems it can be automatic and controlled it's not necessary it's on the sort of high you know the high rent and sometimes if you talk with say efficiency Vermont you can get some really good rebates and are you talking about replacing bulbs with LEDs or are you talking that you have to replace the whole fixture to be able to take the LED bulbs you can replace the bulbs but those are not the best LED lights I've been talking about this for spice and they've just Phillips is just about to come out with a dimmable and no you don't have to change you actually have to use the ballast and it's a dimmable dimmable but a cool idea they're getting a lot better and they're going to get better and better and if you wait long enough you might be able to do that but it is literally changing by the month right now do you have identified specific areas in that high school building that have lamps that are dimmed but it's not the whole building well so the engineers went through and looked around and said it appears that I assume they had a meter but I don't know the light levels in the building are low was that at 55 was it the temperature right because I know fluorescent lights are on for that is definitely fluorescent is definitely a fact that it could be that they've been cold and they didn't have enough time to warm up and if you sat there and warmed them up for a while or if they were 68 or 65 or whatever but something to be aware of that you may need to do some work on the lights there yes now when you when we had talked last time you said that there was only a sprinkler system above the shop yes now Bonnie did Bonnie talk to you afterwards or Lindy about that there was a sprinkler system in the mezzanine in the mezzanine of the main school building above all the classrooms in the mezzanine they told us not to touch the ceiling because there's a you can see them you can see them I know I think there's also sprinkler heads on the stage that was one of the I was talking about the actual like the main classroom area there my I thought that there was sprinklers because it was this big issue when we talked to Ploof about turning down the heat they said that was the biggest issue about not shutting it down because you have these full high temperatures all over the building positive pressure positive pressure that had to be kept up and you couldn't just drain it all right so if there's some in the mezzanine then that would be true even if it was just in the mezzanine right above all those classrooms right but I I don't recall seeing or noticing any sprinkler heads in those classrooms in that way I could imagine it was up in the spring I can I could see why it would be in that upper area it's a storage and it's storage area over a certain number of square feet so it's not not sufficient for classrooms is to have the floor above sprinkler no you need every every space in this room you'd have a pipe and this way there you might have six or eight sprinkler heads in this room out of time shop and that's it so understanding a system it's not only one it's feasible to do that some places you say you have to there's no water to be had there's no infrastructure there you guys at least have that here so all these bullet points on this suggested recommended once we go to the final version there will be a two, three, or four by one of these or these all every single thing so no I'm just curious is this second list of bullet points all the of these the twos it's a combination it's a combination I mean again the priority the priority level is also very subjective right these are twos and threes the ones on the backside here are the ones that first are the ones that are like these are one maybe a couple of two that's what I'm going to sense so that we because you know and this is how because we're going to have to obviously prioritize once we make the so really I would say that first list are ones and maybe a couple twos and next list are ones, twos and probably some threes yeah oil boilers, leaks and distribution system there like in pipes but here you've got at least a distribution system it is mostly right the ventilation system needs to be replaced so how many oil boilers are in the high school two and both of them need to be replaced or they they're currently working but they could break down at any time two oil boilers in the building they're original to the building 1974 so they're still working and if you wanted you could wait and wait till they break and then replace them or you can try to get a hold of the curve if you're asking people for money to kind of really put that building on a path that we're going to spend this money and now we're going to have an elementary school building there for the next 40 years just to you know we have so much to talk about but just so as we talk we can say we're going to get to the question yeah so with the older boilers they can be redesigned to be wood chip oriented or natural gas oriented by using the old boilers with add-ons taking their parts on I mean that's the whole area to be investigated for efficiency absolutely I believe that they did it's all creating the line item by line item right you should think about that here. And normally, we'd have a boiler and a backup boiler. So if one goes down, you still get to have school that day. And we would size them so that each one can handle 80 or 90% of the coldest day of the year. So on those coldest days, you have to kick the second one on. And if one of them is broken during that day, it's either a little cold in there or something else. And then you should even think about having two different fuel sources for those. So if one is an oil and the other one is a wood pellet, now you can look at what the cost is comparatively. We have school districts we're working with. We have been working with. But right now, they're mostly along the Vermont gas pipeline. Cost of natural gas has gone down so much that it is competitive with wood chips and wood pellets. We have some big schools up there in the County area that are actually costing the same to burn natural gas right now as the wood chips. Because they have the gas line there, then. Yeah, exactly. But you're not there. And you were using LP here when you'd be talking about it. But if you've got oil in pellets, you can kind of see what's more expensive than it. And like Linda just said, information about the wood pellet and those things are actually in the more detailed. Because I believe you had talked about it before. You recommended it like an alternative. We can add that line in here if you'd like it. It's not in here already. I remember when you talked about having an alternative one similar to that. And, right, because you mentioned about the wood chips that we were too small to have a wood chip person. Though I've heard probably since we had that conversation that there are systems out there now that will take wood chips that are kind of the wet wood chips and handle them much like a pellet. But I'm not sure that that's worthwhile or not. But anyway, we like encouraging people to think about kind of those other skills like this. You have a lot of wood around here, yes, you do. We do not have a massive whole tree chipper in town. No, it's because pellets. We need to create employment. That's true. But pellets are pretty reliable these days. It does seem to me that this is boilers and something like this is actually a one. Well, like you said, this is working now. So it's in the high school. So let's jump through here and kind of put everything on the line for you. Yeah, we need to look at the details to prioritize. This is just up to you. I just wanted to throw that particular one out. Yeah, there's always things you can decide not to do. And then the end here after the control system that we mentioned are these are some of the key renovations that we were suggesting to kind of make that building work for the elementary school. And probably may have gone over this the last time she was here. Turning that shop into a cafeteria or not into a, well, yeah, cafeteria and P.E. P.E. P.E. Did you look at the flood plain there and the flood meeting? Yeah, that got flooded in our community. It's in the hundred year. Yeah, the shop and art room and the... So we won't put a nice wood floor in there. No. We did talk a little bit about that with our engineer. Sorry, we were talking about if there's stuff we should be doing outside the back of that. Or if you don't need to raise that whole area. Right, so there's possibilities to say. So what you've got is your lowest point in this building from what I know is here, which is where you had the worst flooding, right? At the front of the auditorium. Up to I, for a while. And then the next is this. At the bottom of this ramp. So... Yeah, so there's a burn that comes up, right about there. I remember I looked at that. And this area tends to flood whether it needs to or not just because the grading is so flat. It doesn't have anything to do with it. And there's all the roofs are draining. Right. So I think one of our key items is to re-grade this just to get, you know, like this winter, this was flooded. And there was no need of that. One thing during Irene to be able to do this winter. So re-grading that. To actually deal with this though, gets a little more complicated. We didn't dive too far into that. Did the... Flood, flood, turn, Irene? Probably. Because they're at the same level as, or no. No, no, no, no. It slopes down. It's up the top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It only slopes down a little bit. So yeah, or it might not have. Something to. It might have just been here. So we can look at trying to do work on the outside wall. We can look at doing some verming or retaining out here. If we do a little add-on to make this accessible, we can add some flood-pushing measures to that, which is kind of a nice opportunity to do two things at once. Which would take care of more flooding that you've got where you say, the measures it would be. Yeah, this would be, I mean, I don't know that we're gonna do anything here that's gonna say, hey, if Irene hits again, we're high and dry. But, and again. Pond Tunes, put the whole thing up on Pond Tunes. Yeah, I mean, you can look at raising your floor in here and bring it all up to this level. That is another possibility. And the possibility is to say, we're gonna do a material in here that can take it. So that if it gets wet in here, it's gonna dry. So there are possibilities. And as you look at it, and we're gonna make a cafeteria out of this, and certainly if we look at putting a kitchen in here, we need to look at whether we wanna raise it up or barricade it in. Did you look at, you're talking about just structurally, was it in your scope to look at the land behind it if there's anything we should be doing to change the landscape behind it to help protect it? Yeah, under the site work there is stormwater. There are things that we'll have to do for stormwater for just your- I mean, a broom, especially if we're not using so many playing fields, a significant burn along there is not a dike, essentially. It's not a question. Well, of course, we have to make the decision that that is the primary building, because this building sits wonderfully high up in comparison to what I mean in comparison. This is 500-year-old, I'm pretty sure. Part of the Irene situation is the storm is up and it helps to create the water flow to come to the building. Very good. But the oil tank was underwater, wasn't it? Yeah, I mean, it's underground and it was in the wet zone. It got wet. That probably was, but I don't know. Is there oil tanks in such marked on these drawings, or anything? No. Right. So, again, there are berms that you could put up there. I mean, is Irene gonna happen again? I don't know. Yes. Some of you will, but- We had significant flooding this spring. Did it come into the auditorium? No, but it- It came into the shop, though. It came into that back area. And you fell into it? That's this issue. It's not a- That one is relatively easy, because as you go out the back of that building, it goes down a pretty good hill. So there's really no reason you couldn't capture, grade this away from the building so there's a low spot in the middle, and then a pipe or something, even if it drains it right over that hill. There's, you've got the elevation here to drain that courtyard. I'm not sure why it doesn't do that. I think someone said there was a drainage system that was damaged. There definitely is. Oh, oh. They've got crofters, I think, about it. So that one is easier. The harder one is the river coming up. Right. Yeah, there's not- When the water is up to that elevation, then it comes down to flood barriers. And that's- Yeah. All good information, so- So that's certainly something- Something to weigh, when you say here or there, that's another, at least to the puzzle. So now, in addition, we're talking about changing the art room into the kitchen and other classrooms and whatnot, and I think Paulie probably went over that plan with you a little bit. So now here's where you get a lot of moving parts and variables, right? If you're going to use Rochester Elementary School as the elementary school, this building here, you've got the minimum renovation cost of a million three to over five million, that we're saying. We suggest we kind of bring this up to a project if we were going to really go through there and give you a nice new updated model facility when you're finished. Not new, but darn close. At the same time, if you do that, there are, you now have a building over there. Which is sitting there, and you have to do something with it. So you either are going to do some minimal amount to kind of put it into mock balls or we're still saying that you might want to think about using the gym right there, some kind of a community space. No, you mean our theater. I'm sorry. You keep the theater. I get this being talked about. It's the same thing when we reverse this, but you saw the theater that you're probably going to want to keep using to some extent. So what are you going to do to that building to be able to keep using it or to maintain it in use? Right, maybe you're talking about in use as a community theater, not as a school theater, school district. And maybe ownership gets transferred to someone else or maybe it doesn't. This is getting, letting go of that building and the programming use of that building. You're talking about community. And it's really hard to predict that until there's a conversation here that gives us some idea of what you're thinking about. So is this the first place? Second bullet, second bullet. Yeah, by the terms of our merger, I think it's pretty standard across the state. If we decided to do something with those buildings, you know, the town of Rochester has the right to buy the building from us for a dollar and work that's been done and then if they decided to dispose of it, work that the school district had paid for in the last five years, the town has to reimburse the school for it. So if we had done renovations and just to get rid of the building to be done with it, but to be nice about having a space for somebody to use, then if they, we'd give it to the town and then if the town sold it, they would have to pay for the math. So the real point we're making here is that when you look at, okay, if we're going to use this building, don't forget to add in what's gonna have to happen over there for whatever you do. And those are both really the second and third floor. The third if you say keep gym wing and you meant to use auditorium or theater. Right, I think you labeled them wrong because the R.E.S. demolition, you keep the theater wing. I'd already crossed that out here. Yeah, that's on me. So when you say, so the renovations on the 350 to 3.3 million, that's just, these are the things, when you say that the $300,000 renovation over there, that's the things that have to be done, that's the stuff that. That's in our chart here too, where we kind of identify what those things are. And it's just like. Priority one. Trying to figure out what that scope is, is that's why I want to give this to you as an Excel spreadsheet. Because that's why this works. Because. It's like the electrical. When you have something saying, well, do we really need to do those books? Well, you don't have to and you can make that decision and you don't put them in this column. Every one of you guys could take that spreadsheet home and do your column and put your name on it and then compare them. That maybe will be a worthwhile exercise. And we were just putting out on the table, it's possible you just tear that building down or you tear down half of it. And if you tore down the classroom portion, you kept the theater wing. Which you mean, just the auditorium or you're talking about that whole. If we tore down all of this. Yeah, but left. Kept all of this. Kept all of it. That's what I wanted to make sure I was there. So you've got your theater. You've got the boiler room. You've got that shop that's down there for whatever reason. You've got the theater shop. You've got a couple of rooms. I mean, that could be some kind of a community center. Right. Makers, what did they call that? Makerspace. Well, yeah, I mean, somebody signs a waiver, just let them in there and use the tools. I mean, I love that. I don't have to buy them all. So that's that piece. Then we reverse that. The next set of bullets here. If the elementary school program moves to the high school building, you've got the same, you know, the minimum number is a little higher over there, because you've got some more, some of those needs that we talked about in the sprinkling and whatnot. Sprinkling roof boilers. Boilers and the ventilation and whatnot. And the windows over there are horrible. So, you know, but the interesting thing is that we didn't do that on purpose, you know. We filled out the scope that we were recommending, and then we looked at what the cost came to. And it came out very similar. It had about $5.5 million. Then you've got the, what do you have to do in this building? And somehow the minimum came out less, but the bigger number is not that much different either here. And again, we look at this and think about this as a community building as well. I mean, I can't imagine that you would want to get rid of this gym. I mean, that's a community, I mean, even the school, I can imagine that there are times when the PE classes may want to come over to the gym. But when it's 10 degrees below zero and the wind is howling, which it probably does. You do not want, that first grade teacher does not want to get nine kiddos or a dozen kiddos into mints and coats. But at some point in the year, you might have a unit where the fifth and sixth graders are going over there, just as a matter of course, because that's a bigger space. And it takes some of the pressure off of that multi-purpose PE classroom. That's also your cafeteria and your faculty meeting room and whatever else thing that's gonna happen in there. So there's plenty of schools out there. The one I think of is St. John'sburg Academy. They walk to everything. And then that's a wicked cold up there. So having separate buildings is not completely... But for elementary students, it's a lot harder for little kids. I mean, St. John'sburg Academy, they're high schoolers, they don't wear coats anyway. That's true. They shop in shorts. High schoolers don't wear coats anyway. So you know, any allies out at Linden Institute is right at the road from them. Craftsbury has got multiple buildings. Cabot is... And I think what they try to do is they look at elementary school. It's kind of pulled up in that poor program. We can see it being re-purposed to town offices, you know. You could see it being re-purposed a lot easier than the high school building being re-purposed. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I can see, I bet this wing right here would fit the town offices pretty nicely without them moving hardly any wall. Yeah. Right, they walk to small rooms. The biggest thing that I would think is you would want to improve and make the locker rooms larger and more accessible because... Right, and that's the other thing. This building is one that's designated, has the generators designated as an emergency shelter. And then partially because it's got the kitchen and it's got the gym. The big space. The big space. And you can set up the cocks. And you would sit the item there to say, if you want to make locker rooms, changing rooms, for that purpose of the emergency shelter because I understand that the students don't really need it. Right. But as an emergency shelter, having a couple showers and maybe even a washer and dryer. Right, which I could see working in coordination with the shelter team, there was probably funding to do that type of stuff. Right, now, I'm sorry, go ahead and finish. The other thing, what you brought up, the generator and what about the high school, that if we moved it into the high school, then the generator's not powering that high school, correct? We're not playing that, maybe it could, you could pick it up and move it or just run a wire over there into the electrical system. It would take some money to do that. But that generator could power the, could be retrofitted to power the other building. Just don't know that it could power both at the same time. Probably not. It may not even, I mean, I don't know whether it powers this entire building right now or not. I'm not sure why. I think there was some discussion on what to do. When you say, when you talk about the partial demolition of this building, of the elementary school, school building, where do you see that, and keeping the gym, where does that line split approximately? Let's just for argument's sake, say it splits right around here. And show all of this. So you're getting rid of like, this back half of the building. Yes. Which is the newer part and yes, I know. Right, it's good to just have it, to have the number and just, right. And you can do a demo, whichever half of the building suits you, but we're assuming that the gym is what you want to keep. You would want to keep. And you want to keep the bathroom, even though they need to be upgraded. Yeah. But you're not going to do it without them. If you don't upgrade them, you'll never play with them. If you chop them off, you're going to have to play yourself. If you look at a community center and say, you've got a gym, you've got a kitchen, you've got two classrooms and some small rooms that could be locker rooms and offices. It seems pretty usable. Yeah. And we've heard terms of a little health clinic, kind of a space could fit into two of these rooms on one side of the corridor and the town offices or, I don't know. I've seen it's under air in some of the rooms. Right, an activity room for the seniors center. I mean, you could have a lot of stuff in there. But again, it's hardly to renovate it. And now you're talking about another $5 million. Right. Who's going to do that? It might be someone else's. Right. And that would be a project for sure that would qualify for the rural development and grown folks. That's it. So, and then obviously, if we did the full demolition, the 535, there'd be no need to do any of the 39,000 to 3,003 renovations. That's not necessarily true. Before you fully demolish a building, you still have to remove all thisbestos. Before you demolish it. So, we wouldn't be able to completely eliminate that renovation line if we completely demolish the building. Right. Well, except for the asbestos isn't in that renovation line. I see. Because we haven't included those numbers yet. Ah. So. Anyway, again. Yes. That's why we're trying to give you a... Right. I'm just trying to understand so that when I talk to the... And we'd be glad if you wanted us to kind of, you know, kind of run a new column of numbers for you or make sure that what you're talking about makes sense or there's not things that are mutually exclusive or mutually inclusive. You know, if you do this, you also have to do that. So that... So then the last paragraph there to maintain the status quo. So meaning, okay, thank you for all this information. We're going to talk about it. Right. And some people talk about it and talk about it and talk about it and they don't do anything. We're, you know, we're saying that at least $57,000 to work with needed R.E.S. and 62 at the high school. Just really to kind of make sure that it's safe and that it meets the codes and that you're not, you know, the mixing valves and things like that. So again, that's what, 100 and 19 total and why not I'm sure what that was at the stock. You said the 140 was highest priority items. So there you go. We're about 300 grand that we're going to need to, no matter what, we should be thinking about spending 300 grand and we should be thinking about trying to address some of these things this summer. Yeah. Well, I mean, this summer, I don't think you're going to do that. Okay. Yeah, because it's too late and you're not going to find any workers. I mean, maybe you could find a plumber to put a couple of valves in or something like that. But I think you need to really start planning on it. And if it means... You might get the tanks inspected this summer. Right, something like that. You certainly could, as you're talking about this now, put a line item in your budget that would allow you to vote on that in March or is that when you... May. May. Oh yeah, sorry, you just had your meeting. Yeah. It may. And perhaps, or your business manager is a great at printing money. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess the big piece is that so the asbestos inspection is going to happen this summer and that's not done yet, correct? We're going to get people up on the roof to evaluate that roof now, or were we not? Johnny has, yeah. Yes, Johnny. Okay. We can maybe do some of the plumbing items. We can also think about booking some of the, we can get the tanks inspected. Talk to ACP. You know, in some of these pieces, as you've pointed out, I think it's important that we as a board understand, and I think we can, from your spreadsheet, we can probably get a good idea of it, that we need to understand, look at those things and say, which of these things are tied to a renovation or a space improvement or just improving the quality of education versus which of the things need to be done because the tank that's got the leak detected system is a broken leak detection system. The, you know, some of those, the panels that are a disaster waiting to happen, you know, need to be at least, I mean, those things I think are not part of a renovation, at least in my mind, and certainly this isn't something that you would necessarily give us advice on, but some of these things we would want to be booking and not as part of the renovation, but part of just, we need to fix this now and so we need to get it done. And that's mostly outcomes that you're going to do no matter what your next decision is. The only thing that would suggest that you wouldn't do all these items is if you plan on tearing one of these buildings down. Otherwise, you should do them because you're going to want to do them no matter what else you decide. Yeah. Right, so, you know, and I'll put another caveat on that and that, you know, and I'm thinking about those panels because that's a fairly involved piece. And those things aren't, I'm using double negative there, they are not working right now, right? Yeah, no, I understand that. Kind of like the boilers, right? They're at the end of their useful life but they're still serving you. So if you thought you were going to be doing a bigger project and doing a lot of work there, I would say, let those go until you do that. Okay. Right? If you were going to continue to use that building as it is without a lot of other stuff, then you might want to really more seriously think about kind of chopping that off as a larger one, a larger piece of the small project. Right, right. I guess, like I said, I was looking at the status quo, saying 120 grand that we absolutely need to consider spending. I think we need to probably just lay that out and put that in versus some of the decisions that we need to make around the future planning. You should look at that list in total and really think about each item and say, that's what we're going to do. I mean, you can even do a chart that says 2020, 2021, 2022, do it over three years and now you're asking for $100,000. Right. Yeah, you're bonding up every year. Right, you're bonding out a million and a half for phase one. You're bonding out another million and a half for phase two. But if you have a finite list of things that you wanted to, now you could put that into your budget and not worry about a bond because you don't want to ask for bond here and another bond in two years and then you're a bond. You're going to do it once. So, but if you start asking for $100,000 or I'm just using that number, now you convince voters that that's something that needs to happen. They vote for it and they agree, then you have it and then that starts to, and then you do it again the next year because buildings need maintenance. You know, and at some point you find that spot where you're actually keeping up. Right. And then it's good for your buildings. I remember the last thing I wanted to ask about specifically and I know you said this is not within your scope of designing how that would be but this is the last thing that really we should be if we could get someone to deal with that courtyard and regrading that and draining that. Yes, I think you could do that. I do have a plan for that. I think you could do that pretty easily and the engineer we had out here I'm sure could help you with that very quickly. So we should buy a swimming pool. I've got a specialist look at it. It's actually a very good place for swimming pool. There it is. So, go ahead. Yo, let's swing for the fences. No, no, no, no, no, not as a rod at school. And you know, this is independent, independent, independent fundraising. That's why I'm waiting for the decision. Yeah, I think that you should be able to regrade in there and get rid of that three inch puddle of water that's outside that shop room door. Yeah. All right. So, does anyone else have any other questions? Well, when do we, when will we see more documentation? Well, I think after I was just thinking about that here in the last five minutes is that I'm thinking that you guys are ready for this. I want to make a couple of these changes that we talked about here, you know, change, make sure we got Jim in theater in the right spots and finalize this and get it to you in some electronic form as well as a paper piece that you can print out yourself and just wrap that up and get that to you in the next couple of weeks. Okay. Yeah, that'd be great. Right, so I know for myself, I'll definitely want to sit down and take a moment to digest. Oh, yeah. I think you guys probably want to talk about it all summer. All summer. Well, I think even a lot longer than that. Probably so. There's a philosophical part of this that's much bigger than, yes it is. It is much bigger than that. And we're around if you want to call us up and say we don't understand this. I'm glad to. Are you locked in? For years to eat to your charge every time you talk to you. I'm just kidding. Yes, that's true. No, we're not very good about that. Yeah. Okay. I don't have any questions. Okay. But by the third time, the third call from different people. Ask me the same question. All the same topic, that gets tedious. Will you tell us when you start going shushing? When we start going shushing. We will. But, you know, right now, I, you know, this is, I think, I think we charge you the right amount of money and we're fine. And I think I'm hopeful that this is what we advertise for. When do you see, once you get us those copies and the electronic is that when your job is done? That's when I would bill you for 100% of my fee. But again, I'm telling you, call me up. I want to, I want to know what happens. Yeah. I want to know. You're not a fan, right? Yeah. Well, it's an interesting, it's an interesting promise. It's part of what's coming about through these force mergers. I mean, you guys got ahead of the game a little bit. And I think it's great. I'm interested to see how this works out. I mean, you've got, you made a very difficult decision several years ago to close your high school. Or maybe it wasn't that difficult given the enrollments. But I'm sure it was. Emotionally, for sure. I mean, fiscally, it was probably easy, you know. But emotionally, I'm sure it was very difficult. So, but now you have this extra building. Not only that, part of this school's program just depends on spaces in there. And part of that building's program just depends on spaces in this building. And we have a second campus. And that whole community has a vested interest in this, which is very different than Rochester dealing with it by just by itself. That's the other really big problem. I can say that, you know, other districts that I'm working with that are newly merged, you know, that the conversation does revolve around, okay, this building and this new district, that everyone owns, needs some work. But now everybody has to pay for that. And it's, you know, and that's gonna be a real test of this new union. And at some point then, I hear a lot of people talking about, well, one way to do that is to actually provide improvements at all the buildings in that district so that everyone feels like their portion of that is... An unfortunate problem, a lot of Vermont schools are not, they're older, they were built a while ago, you know, so. So you're not alone. I mean, you are unique in this whole thing of having two buildings on this site to choose from. I haven't seen that in other places. Cool. So, anyway, we'll wrap this up and get it to you. And if you need more calls, if you want copies, whatever, we'll be glad to help you. If you find typos, we'll fix them. Or if you think we need to say something a little differently, you do that. Great. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. All right, there you go. You got those back. You need to decide where you want to keep those or more copies. And who has the thumb drive? I do. The businessman, if he does. Somebody needs to know what that is and you may want to put that on your network or something so that you can share it. I should put it on a computer. One more. I don't want to crash your drive. I will still have it. Shit. Ah, that's terrible. Did you want any more copies of these right now? Yes. There's people not here. Bonnie's not here. He took two board members. But first isn't here. Take for everybody else. I took the two board members. All right. I mean, are you going to recycle when you get back? I'm just going to recycle. I'm going to leave them all here. Right. Same with, same with those. Those are easy for you to make yourself. All right. Good. All right. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. It's very nice to spend this time with me and all of you guys. Take a two-minute bathroom break. Absolutely. And I'll just, I put one last plug in and she doesn't know I'm going to say this. It's been great working really with Lindy. She's really been a lead person here in contact for falling out. I don't doubt that at all. Other than I know where the septic tank is now, I know the last time there was a drain. I know that three years before when it was drained, it didn't drain the solids. It didn't drain the fluids. OK. Is that in the bill? Or is that in any of the fluids only or something? They just use it. I don't know if we have a sense of it. It's very nice to change change going on. It's like getting a blood transfusion, platelets only. So they showed up and, you know, thankfully my brother-in-law and I, honestly, he works with a lot of other people. But I was like, we're getting told we have to put a camera down and look at it. And I'm like, and I'm just seeing lots of dollar signs. I need some help. And so we were able to kind of place that in brand. And then they came over and they're like, so last time this was drained, it wasn't done. So that was a huge part of the drainage from them. Thank you, guys. Thank you. All their Steph Colton's room. If you go outside and you look, there's been, there were three birds nest down in there that was cuddling like this. So they went down, they pulled those out. Then they just had to snake some other stuff. And of course, it's elementary school. You find some interesting things when you sneak anything. And they're pulling a septic pumping thing out. And we had said, K through six was that silver like, and I'm watching him and I'm like, don't, don't push it. I'm like, but it was things that shouldn't have been in the septic tank either. Like, you know, little figurines and other stuff. And I was like, what are you doing? That's the last thing I need that group to come back and pick it's a scavenger hunt. Oh, look at him. My older brother had a bad man like that. He had the one ear chewed off. It probably was your little brother, you know what I mean? I'm just going, and they're like, no, that's just the stuff that can't go in the waste thing. And I was like, that's not what it looked like from afar. These are copies of God. Okay, thank you. This is her copy. All right, ready to come back? I do. Luckily they were on their way walking out. We wouldn't realize didn't come for you. I know my phone's here so I couldn't call anybody. Okay, so the first one, we went out. Well, wait, we've got to do, oh, sorry. We still have to discuss the generator. Oh, okay. Oh, really? Okay. We're still on the generator. Okay, so I'm sorry, we're on the agenda. Are we now? We're at 5.2. Can we, she's been, Tara's been really great to be sitting here all this time. Can we, okay, I thought that was part of her too, but. No, it's not. Okay, so let's just do, let's do Tara then. I wanna go. So this is the same quote that I feel like I think. Right. Okay, I have one left, ready? Yeah, but just in case, Tesla are wanted shoes. It's like too high. So there is one other alternative we could get a quote from, but it didn't seem like it was happening quickly in between everything. But so the Tesla, mostly Green Mountain Power just operates on like whole moves only. Yeah. It basically was the explanation we got when they came and they did refer us to another outside company if you want me to pursue it further, but we didn't really pursue it much further than Green Mountain Power wasn't gonna operate. So this is a scope of this company. What would, I think the dollar master point of it. So, the thing about this company is they do work with the emergency grants in the past so they know how to navigate that process as well. Should we choose to accept their bid? We don't have to accept it. We can say, you gotta walk us through the grant, you know, process and then they would be willing to work. I'm curious what the, I'd like to know and I know we're dragging this on, but I would like to know what the grant, I mean, is it a matching grant? Is it 50%? There's a lot of different ones, so I don't know the answer. And at the same time, can somebody actively go to the town, the select board, and ask if they're willing to put any funding towards a generator at... Is it the designated democracy space? It is. Okay, thank you. And official call in 2010? That's what Jim Shans, Jim Shans is. I'll ask the select board. Uncle is the select board. Okay. Is this 28,606? Is that total? Just, is there also the maintenance plan? The optional adders, if you want the maintenance plan. And then, so the 26 is all the bullet points above that point. Gotcha. And I don't know if their stock bridge has an emergency shelter team, an actual team or anything. Rochester does, and if we need to... I mean, I think it's probably Jim Shans. Okay. Well, just so you're aware, there is an emergency shelter team in Rochester and they might just be a good resource because they've been through... Who heads that up? Janice Quimby. I don't know, you know, what she would be able to offer. Or I'm sorry, it might be Jan McCann now. I can get you her phone number. Okay. Let me know which one it is. When do they slip and... Maybe like every other Thursday? I think first and third Thursdays? So you're first and third or second and fourth? Thursdays. Thursdays, yeah. Okay, I'll go to the meeting and ask. Yeah. And I'll reach out and ask what the process is to get started for like the grants. Right, right, and just... Right, right, because what I just want to get some assurances that there actually is a connection and it's not going to be, okay, well, you know, here, here's a link, download this paperwork and fill it out. Maybe it'll give you some money. Right. Versus we do this all the time. We're going to get you this grant, which is 20%, we're going to get you this grant, which is the first $5,000 or something, and then be able to list out, you know, what we're going to get. That's good. Okay, now we'll let you go. Thank you very much. So the first one, the demo that I do here, which is the regular size pieces of paper, is the results of the RFP for the tax anticipation line of credit for the FY20. So what happens because your cash flows fluctuate throughout the school year based on when taxes and grant monies are received, your town treasurer or your district treasurer has to borrow funds to cover your monthly expenditures, your payrolls and all of your other expenditures. So we go out and we get these results back in. Out of the six, the three came back, Community Bank and the National Bank in Mascoma. Community Bank had a 3% interest rate on the borrowing, a 3.55% rate on the earning. If you went with the tax anticipation note and the line of credit was 2.95 for the rate to borrow and 1.75 for the other to actually for the earnings on it. Community National Bank, the TAN was a 2.8%, but had a 60 point spread for the actual earnings on it. So that would be my recommendation for you all to go with is the Community National Bank. Can you just tell me what the difference between a TAN and an LLC is? The tax anticipation note is a different kind of permissionary note than an open line of credit. And how is that different and why is one used over another? Because you can get better investing on tax anticipation notes in a lot of instances and in this instance this year, you're there as well. So the tax anticipation note is like, they know that there's not this much money. You have this much. So if you look at the pages that back this up, that's the difference throughout what it cost you to borrow for a tax anticipation note for each month of the year versus what you're earning for interest. So the first section is for the TAN, your tax anticipation note, and then the second would be the line of credit. So for an example, this first option, you could earn $5,000 on a tax anticipation note where you would lose $420 if you went with a line of credit. So it's the very first page when you flip it open. There's $5,000. Oh, these are the same, yes? Yeah, so this is for each one of the banks that offered a proposal as each page that's behind this. So that's $5,000 she said it would earn because the cost to borrow, this is that percentage in the front here, this 3% or this 2.8, that's the amount that was interest we're paying basically to borrow, but yet we're earning that much more. Earning it because it's investing near investing the funds that are still in the account throughout the year. Let's say that again, what you just said, please. You pay interest on the amount you borrow, but you earn interest income on the amount that was funded in the fund throughout the year. So that's what this breakdown shows you. So there's a fund that's, I'm sorry, this is yet not my... The bank opens up an investment fund for you. Oh, okay. And that's where our tax money goes. No, that's the money that you borrow to pay your expenditures until you get your tax money. Okay, and so as we're pulling away from it, it's doing much better than in the bank. Yeah, it's got you. Okay, no, I know. You're making more than you're paying to borrow it. Thank you. That's what you need here. And what to have me done with last year. Last year was better last year. Okay, and as the past couple of years have we been with last year or have we changed that route? I just know current teams are winning. So the best is just to go for the best return. We recommend that you go for where you can make the most money. Okay, even if it's... You're a profit on your budget. And they guarantee this, these crates? Okay. So why, so MassCommer does not do a tax... They're not doing a tan. They only offer a line of credit. They only offer a line of credit. And it's not that big of a deal to switch accounts to new banks or... You're not switching your bank accounts. You're not switching your general manager and all your bank accounts. No, this is just the one year... It's only for one year, one year taxing distance. Every year we're opening a new account. Every year we need whatever bank is. Everything that you're working can give us the best money. You know this last year, I don't remember killing you. Yes, I have. You know? It was not as clearly explained. We are cleaning. I think it was not as clearly explained so I don't remember it at all. I don't remember this. I don't remember getting anything that I understood as clearly as this. So thank you, Sarah. I love that. I appreciate it. This is all learning for me too. So I'm going to read this to you. You're explaining it. Literally I had to say, okay, stop. That's me. That's me. I don't get it. Yeah, that's exactly what I am. Now I get it. That was good because you got it. We were good. So if we were all pretty clear on what Tara's given us, I would entertain a motion that the board, except the business manager, recommendation and award our tax anticipation note for fiscal year 20 to Community National Bank. Second. Oh, I make a move. I think you have to go to the bathroom. So moved. Second. I second you, my dear. A motion has been made and seconded to accept the business manager's recommendation of the Community National Bank RFP for the tax anticipation note for fiscal year 20. Do I hear any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed. So I'm assuming. We've accepted your recommendation for that. Okay, so the next step, just so you're aware, I may have to request that you do a special meeting I'm waiting for that to get back to me. If it cannot. Sorry, who's that? That is at Community National Bank. Okay, thank you. The next step is that last paragraph that you would like to sign the resolution and on arbitrage certificate and then nope, all has to be done in a board meeting. So if I can wait until your July meeting, I will do so. But if I cannot, because your treasurer may need to borrow on July one, I may have to request that you do a special meeting for that sole purpose is just to sign the documentation. And do you need just a few of us or all of us? You need a quorum. Okay. To sign the documentation? Because it needs to be a warrant meeting for the quorum. Yeah, okay. That may be just. Because we can, okay. Because I know in the past what we've done, we've approved these as we've authorized the board chair to sign the documents, assuming that there's no changes. If you want to do that and you think that's good to know. It has to be signed by, does it only have to be signed by the board chair? I'm not sure, because I haven't done it yet. I don't know 100 percent. Because we can make a motion to authorize the board chair to sign on our behalf if. If, it only requires one sim. If it only requires one signature and it requires the, and then the terms in the bank don't change. I move, makes this motion, I move the, okay. I second you. Okay, a motion has been made seconded to authorize the chair to sign documents from a community national bank provided that the chair's signature is the sole signature required. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. So we've now authorized me to sign this one set of documents around this one particular loan provided it only needs my signatures. Hopefully we don't have to have a special meeting. Yes. And I drive, I drive by there every day. So I'll let you know as soon as I emailed him but he hadn't responded by the time I left. Cool. So the second thing I gave you was a big one. I'm trying not to expect you to read this tonight. This is just FYI for your information purposes. When you've had time to deep dive as Bonnie and Lindy do, you have questions you can ask me. This is what we anticipate your budget to end as for FY 2019. So it looks last page that you have about $18,912.53 to the good. Last page. And that is based on the very last page and you flip the whole book. Ah, see, see, see, see. That's based on knowing that you had the revenue shortfall and your buildings have spent about $230,000 under budget expenditures. So obviously we can't say that this is 100% guaranteed because we can't, any revenue comes in or any additional expenditure. Are we doing a reasonable job of encumbering? We only right now encumber payroll for contracted services. So for FY20, I will be encumbering differently than our historical business managers have done. That old definition, sorry, just remember me again. And encumbering is, so she's decided that she's gonna buy a new deep fryer for the, a new industrial deep fryer for the cafeteria. She's written the purchase order to get this deep fryer because our kids need deep fried food. It's a $5,000 deep fryer. The deep fryer's been ordered. We've had our authorized agent order it. We haven't had to pay for it yet because the deep fryer hasn't shown up with the bill. Is the encumbrances. So the encumbrances, what encumbrance is is where you say, okay, I'm gonna spend this $5,000. I need to, you know, I need to pencil that in. Here's some examples of what I will be encumbering for FY20. Salaries will continue. Benefits, because we know a projection every month what our health insurance and LTD, dental, all that's going to cost based on the cash. Transportation, because we know what our allotment is for Butler for this year. Once we complete the fuel bin, whatever that decision will be, that can be encumbered. So anything that is contract that I know here's a set cost, we can encumber in the system. So automatically comes off your expenditure budget right away rather than putting it into your expenditure budget as we're paying invoices. It shows it up front and then the encumbered column on your budget as I give you reports every month. It's doing really well. And then I just, you can see it, you lost it. Yeah, so I'm already taking the money out to go to the store. You've put it in your wallet, it's no longer in the bank. Does it go somewhere? Well, no, it sits in your account. It just means that you can't spend it. So when you get, when you count your money in your drawer, that money's not there. So you can't say that I have $200. Okay. So your budget reports moving forward will show here's your approved budget. Our viewers will appreciate it. Here's any adjustments that were made to your budget after your voters approved your budget. Here is what we've spent to date. Here is your encumbrance. Here is what you have left under that account code. So that is how your budget reports will look. So you'll always be seeing not only what you spent but what you're planning to do. Thank you. Thank you. And the reason I ask is that sometimes around this time of the year, if the business office is not doing formal encumbering because they've talked about it a number of times, it's never really happened. And the principals aren't very diligent or aren't being incredibly diligent about tracking what they've spent. Sometimes at the end of the year, you say, okay, I'm looking, I'm pretty fat. I've got $18,000 to the black. And then, oh no, because I forgot we bought that deep fryer and then we bought the back of deep fryer and... A perfect actual live example of this was the HRA. HRA. The health reimbursement accounts for all of the faculty. Oh, okay. Because that hadn't actually been budgeted. We had no idea what the cost of that was going to be for FY18. So that's why when you read your finalized audits, that section was still open because data pass still hasn't audited the FY18. So that is still a moving target for us until they finalize the... Because that's based on how much somebody actually goes to the doctor. Has to go to the hospital. And you, of course, will know till the end of the period then they're going to the doctor. All pays have been paid and that year's been closed out. So that is a moving target. You can encumber. I just don't understand. Everybody spent their full allotted amount and then you can encumber that on your budget so it's automatically taken out and then you end up with a closer line at the end of three years. So we think we're pretty good on our line items, Lindy? We just, I will say Bonnie and I spoke at length this morning about a bunch of different things. But one of which was just the budgeting process. And this might even more sense that it got me out of the executive session. But just because neither one of us were really part of the budgeting process last year and I'll include Tara in this. It's part of the budgeting process. Last year, in turn, we kind of knew some people's spending habits. And it just not being monitored as well as it should have been. We kind of walked into this situation. Oh, I have this money. We're here and we're trying to find it. And for the most part, we did a good job. But we think we have some ideas to make our system a little bit better. So it's like when teachers leave for summer, they already have planned out how they're gonna spend that supply money. And you're not going over. That's just the bottom line. Which will hopefully make us more efficient in building a next year's budget. When they say, oh, we need this money. And it's like, oh, but you really only spend 200 bucks for that money. So you don't need as much as it costs. Wow, good. That sounds very efficient. Well, hopefully it's as efficient as we need it. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, you know, it's as efficient as any teacher is spending. Daily, sometimes hourly challenge. A what? To control spending. Oh, yeah. Some people. Just holding something I've ever looked on the budget. I hear the word Amazon and I start twitching. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, go on. I start twitching. I mean, you're talking household or you're talking- No, no, I'm talking like with your Amazon in my office, I start twitching. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I got coming to start- I was ordering from Amazon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It should be linked. It's something that didn't ever exist and now exists. Oh my God, it's so easy. Yeah, well, it is too easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's dangerous. Good. All right. Good for you. Do we have any other questions for Tara? Tara, thank you very much. Thank you. All right, yeah. You're so welcome. As soon as I hear back from- Oh my God, I can't tell you what a great relief it is. Hey Tara, you're not playing the lead, right? No. Good, thank you. Why would you have- I hit my 90 days. What, what? I hit my 90 days. Yeah, good, no, just, just, we've been, it's the one thing that hasn't followed up. I know you want to go up. Hey, I just want to say, by the way, I'm sorry I had to drop it and run, but I was rushing to Boston to meet my sisters. Yeah, no, no, that's fine. I'm sure you had fun. I'd love that I met someone at the door saying, is that Scotch? And he like followed me to where you were and he's like, no, I'm going in there drinking with him. He got some Glen Levitt for the budget meeting. Oh. For the- Thank you very much for that, yeah. Was it tasty? Yeah, I have to admit I did sample it. It was good news. I didn't know if you're a Scotch man, that's fine. You said you'd drink everything. Yes, I do, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Well, not wine coolers. Oh, good. Well, that's not- I'm not a teenager anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's obvious, yeah. Annual meeting wine coolers? Yes. Seriously? Oh. Annual meeting review, do we want to, let's go through and talk about the principal stuff and then get the executive, and then before we talk about- You get the executive session. Except that that means him packing up his stuff and leaving. But let's just see how long the principal report and that takes. Oh, okay. Hang on. There it is. That's awesome. Because it's hard to discuss a board retreat without all the board here, for example. That's true. That's true. I think that's seven, two. It's very- Yeah, seven on there. What's that? Number seven? Number seven is the- Or five, seven? We don't know what seven. Seven is other. Five since I have principal report. Yeah, but then five, seven is pickup process. Pickup process, yes. Pickup process. How's that? How's that? Pickup. It's missing a six. You're not to talk to that of- Oh, me. Number and girl. My thing. No, six point one was the action you took on the ROP. Right. Yes. So you let that go. Right, okay. So you can just go way too fast for me. What did you say? R, F, P, four, lower. Yeah. Right, for the FY22. I never had it written in, she had to just sit through all that other report, though. Jack and me said he couldn't come to me on that day because there's a lot of kinds. So they said no, there was not. Yeah, so there's just a lot of, I'm sure we probably forgot some of the activity out there. There's a lot of activities going on. Yeah, that's it. School, yeah. Yeah, so- There was a little bunch of them. It was great. This and six graders from Bullstock Ridge and Rochester did their readers, The Art, Brian and Rose, too. It was very- I saw it. It was great. It was very pleasant. They were really good. They were planning on doing something. Especially for the amount of time they spent. I thought it really rose up. The plan is to do it again next year, but earlier before the Little League and everything. Do it as a bunch of people have nothing to do with it. We don't have to reschedule for weather, so I'm not really sure when that magical time will come. Believe me, I think about theater, Brian. Anyway, good. On Friday, Ethan led Kate Won, from Stockwood, and Rochester on Frog Hunt. It was cool. It's just down here at a Gordie Merrill's. Gordon Merrill's property. It was great. And then they did like a guided tour walk. So a lot of just science stuff. They also went to Vince's on their wedding. I went to them. No, it was great. That's what I said. Yeah, it was very great. Vince is great. Great. Their educational program was very well done. Yeah, they stepped it out, too. Yeah, they- And they provided a discount too. What's that? They provided a discount for the kids. So it was pretty affordable to send. Great, great. And those, that age group really appreciates it. That's all I've heard about. Oh my God. The hawk, the hawk. They send a hawk flying right over your head. Look at those kids. They're like ducking. Oh, that's what they talk about. There's that in that moment. Okay, sorry. So yes, tomorrow, fourth through sixth grade band and chorus will have, that's six, will have a combined concert at the Stockbridge Commons meeting house. Similar to what we did for Brett and Rose who found a lot of success for this, is we keep the kids after school. They get to spend time together. Nobody goes home. You have to pick your kids up. At the concert. At the concert. And it's really, really good. We feed them. They're going to bust them down. Is this new? Is there anything interesting? It's something Bonnie and I talked about after the first concert, how you have those who are not as excited about being in performance. And how they- Don't show up. Right. So this way it's like, this is where you're picking your kid up at this time and we're going to feed them. Right. And it's a community that they're connecting. Right. And so they get some extra rehearsal time together, but they also just, I think what I saw last week was they really just spent time together in a really unstructured setting. I went, well, last week? Good. Good. So that's the plan for that. Both schools have finished all the SBAT testing. Great. So when do we, when will we see results for that? They're still coming back. So maybe July. Right. And I have to figure out how to print the results without kids' names on them. Right. Without what? Without kids. It can be a really detailed report. Right. I'm still learning that part of the interface where you can click on it and I can see what every kid did or I can give you the percentages, which is for some of the classes really obvious because the classes are really small. So you can start to figure out. So we just have to figure out the best way to present that. And I'm sure Bonnie probably knows a little bit more about it than I do. Oh, somebody asked me. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no. You're first. Just along with the SBAT, then we've also taken the Star 360 test. Right. That's all done. So it would be nice to have the same time where we weren't able to form or be able to do that. And I've also asked some specific information about the Star 360 percentages and how they're configured from Mary Ellen as they've started to look at those numbers a little bit more. Okay. There's some stuff that doesn't make sense and I can show you what doesn't make sense to me. There's, I've been asked twice, not a huge majority out of all our voters, but I've been asked twice in the last several weeks. When will we know where we stand? Because obviously we made a big point about the fact of this being dead last in the state in some of these things. I think in the district we said. In the district? Well, the SBAT scores, when they were published at one point in time, this was a couple years ago. I don't think they were stellar. You were correct. Well, I don't know. This was something that was, it outed out a lot that we were last. And it would be such a lovely thing. Right, that was a couple years ago that Rochester was low. Well, I thought it was last year. We were talking last year. I mean, it's got a 44% of proficiency. Right, yeah, yeah. That's not true. And so I'm wondering one, where that number came from at two, when are we gonna have something that might be? Tell us different. Maybe a little different. So the window closed for aspects on Friday. That was like the last possible day you could take it. Now there's this makeup window for some kids for absence. And I think that window goes to like, Tuesday and next week maybe. I'm not sure off the top of my head. Cause we were getting reports out today with how many kids like have taken just like the whole check mark, you didn't. So we'll just keep that in mind. Yeah, yeah, just that, it's very useful. And we should definitely tout it if it's anything better, of course. And fix it if it's not. Yeah, well, exactly. Well, I think we're already doing it. Well, I'll just start to expect anything yet because it's the end of the school year. So one conversation, Jeannie and I had a look, it just, she was helping me out with something else today. And Bonnie and I have had this multiple times. Now that we've gotten through a lot of functional issues that we both inherited in both buildings, there's definitely a need to rein in some just general classroom instruction. And it's not that it's- Instruction. Yeah, it's not that it's bad, it's just that they've been left to their own. Everybody we have here, I say with full confidence, is great and they're passionate and they're excited to do what they do. But they've also kind of been left to their own devices for too long without the checks and balances of education to make sure that it's showing up in the right way that our kids are running something. So that's like what we're launching in those two professional development days in June. Yeah, great. It's a bad expectation. I can explain more in July exactly what- Okay, let's get more into that. Present. Just to follow up on that, we have, especially at Rochester, a lot of new teachers. Will we get, I'm obviously never having been on a school board for very long, do we get your assessments of how their first years went? I've never read it. We've gotten, we've gotten kind of a general overview. I would like to get a general sort of overview. I would get a general report of how, I mean, I actually asked, I think that's okay. I asked two teachers today, maybe I wasn't supposed to, how the year went. And I do without any judgment and they just sort of said, oh, well, I've learned a lot. I know where I'm gonna improve. Oh, that's great. So I thought that was a very good response. Should I not be doing that? No, no, I just don't think for the privacy that they can- Well, of course, I am a parent too. So I'm a parent. Well, you're not asking for an evaluation. It's not for evaluation. I don't think Bonnie and Lindy can give us- I can give you the structure of like, how they were- Yes. Right. Yes. That would love to see. And in general, I would explain that dancing Madame X is, you know, doing this. Is at this level, because we are assessing them on a rubric similar to the way it takes a princess. Great. Thank you. I just think it's not a bad thing to stay on top of. Yeah, no, I think- How you were staying on top of it. We've gotten, and we've gotten, and we didn't get one laughter because our principles were different. But I mean, in general, a general sort of overall debrief, you know, this went well, you know, the, you know, I mean, it's, you can't give a formal, they can't say here's the formal stuff. You can say, you know, the new teacher integrated well with this and this teacher brought this good idea. Yes. That kind of- I mean, it still goes back to my thing, which I feel has been a little dropped and was given some lip service, the idea of open curriculum, that we actually have a curriculum book, that we know what's being taught. I mean, I will say- I will say- Individual teacher, yeah, Okay, good. That's a much more direct answer than we're working on it. Because I was a little frustrated that I did notice that my Wilder's teacher started sending home more outlines of how homework should be done, what homework was, and I was very appreciative of that and we told her that. Right. We talked about that in particular. But just that sense of, and maybe this is part of the reining in or the focusing is that people, what are people teaching? And I really think we should be able to tell our parents, okay, this is what your kids are gonna study this year. And the teacher should know that at the beginning of the year. So there's two components to that. There's one, there's teachers being on their own. There's also, in the state of Vermont, outside of literacy and mathematics, there is not a, you must go through this path. Mm-hmm. There's a lot- For elementary. For elementary, even high school. I mean, I can tell you some comparison stories from when I taught in Virginia where I was like, you will achieve this by next day. Oh, in Virginia SOLs. I mean- Yeah, I've got a different name for those. But, and then I came here and they're like, oh, you're gonna teach world history? I'm like, great, why? Like, when do you want me to start? That's really long period of time. So that's an example. But there is also that component that you're trying to talk about. Even in the generalist terms, just something that somebody can look at, this is what, second grade at Rochester and Stockbridge. It's like a syllabi. Yeah, even something as basic as that so that parent actually knows what's going on in their classroom roughly throughout the year. Yes. You can make it. Yeah, sorry. Thank you. I'd just like to put that out again because for me, it's, as a parent and as a school board member, it's very important. That's okay. Okay. It's okay. No, I was right. Okay. So, yes, sorry, keep going. Yes. So, let's see. What else? On the 11th, K through six from Bulls, schools are traveling to Blueberry Hill Center for Combined Field Day activities. Many teachers are combining and it circles back to, there were two authors that Amy Bronnows that came in and read for, I love to read. I never saw a moose in Moose-La-Moe. So I'm just trying to circle that back. Graduation. Is that kind of their end of school day? Yeah. The fun, the fun, I think that's a great idea. Both cafeteria people are coming too with food and serving. That's funny. Yes. What else? There's graduation dates in there. There's step updates. Great. And then interview times. Yes. We've narrowed down there. Oh, am I? There were eight applicants? Eight applicants? Oh, okay. No, sorry. There were nine applicants for what will be most likely a fourth, most replacing genus position. There were nine applicants. We narrowed it down to five for face to face. Oh, thank you. Oh, because I was asking about the study committee. Yes. So we're going to interview on June 10th and 11th at Rochester. And you're having five in the register zone? Five, yes. Okay. So, great, yes. And if you want, we could talk time. If you're available to be on the committee, that would be great. I know you expressed that interest. Step updates, all sorts of things. I mean, there's one other thing that Bonnie said. So she is having people come to look at the roofs and give a quote just because that's too far gone in a lot of ways. Like, do we need to have it patched? Right. Yeah, so we're not. Right, well, we couldn't get Black River to do it. Right, because it's snowing. In February, March, you're not gonna probably get on the roof in March. Yes. So if we have a roof, it can help. Right, so she has that organized and then the asbestos is 25th and 26th on June. I thought they're two things. Okay. So that's kind of a fat. Yeah, don't you have for pickup process at Rochester? Pickup process. Yeah, I didn't notice that they would like to build a new lobby in the elementary school. It's just been talked about that we're standing in the pouring rain picking up kids at the front of the school and the parents walking up to the door are told, uh-uh, you know, you can't. It's just, and I know there's security issues, but it's just, it's just not terribly welcoming and it's not, we used to be meeting in the gym, picking up our kids in the gym, which was a- That was for one year. Yeah, yeah, and I just thought it was a really nice thing to be able to be out of the weather to meet your child. So what's the philosophy? Well, safety's a big one, but I might be able to answer your question in the executive session. Okay, good, thank you. Because some of that may be personality. Oh, okay. Okay, thank you. If I don't, then we can turn it back. No, that's fine, thank you, thank you. I just wanna, it's my thing to put it out there in the public record. Why are you doing it the way we're doing it now? Yes. On a sunny day in May, June, it's a lovely place to be and the kids run and play and the snow bank was really fun for the kids. Right, and we, yes. In Stockbridge, I let parents in and I have to say I'm not always the biggest fan of it because there's no, like, stop point, so they start to want water. I'm fine with a stop point. They start to want water. This is why I think the gym is a great place because it's, we all stay in one side and you can even put panels up or something like that to, you know, just, yeah, so anyway, thank you. Maybe they'll answer that. I would just put it up for advisement. Yeah, but we can. All right, as an active parent. So we had annual meeting review on there and board retreat. I think that probably we're not gonna do the annual meeting any kind of justice, having a conversation adjust us and adjust now. And I think that's something to think about for the board retreat. What I'd like to say, though, about the annual meeting piece now is that if we could all take some time and you can Google it, you can see a lot of other town reports. I think, you know, I heard what everyone was saying. This, you know, this report will use it not even good and I really couldn't be, I really didn't feel it was appropriate to say, to discuss the, you know, the turnover of business managers and the fact that, you know, that really Tara did when above and beyond just getting us something. On the table. You know, but I think if we could find, if we could, you know, take some time to find some formats that we find understandable. I think they have in my head after that meeting, I literally have a vision. I can see it. I can see what our book looks like next year. Okay. And it's got a narrative throughout and it has literally headings and it's sort of me like I do in the meetings asking clarification questions. And I think it's, so I have a really clear idea and I'd even happy to put it into when we have the retreat or talk about this more. Write it out a little bit because I just think let's set a standard for this. Why not? I think your idea of having the schedule so that we're not waiting for everything at the last minute, we know, okay, we've already got this stuff. Let's have that so that we're adding things in throughout a four month period, let's say, or six months period. Part of this annual meeting review is Jenny is going to set up a calendar for us. That's not necessarily on the June 2nd. No, no, no. It's like in the month of January. This is what we need to be looking for trying to accomplish. Yeah, exactly. Cover design and more things than just that. I mean, you know, the fact that I was doing the cover design at the meeting before it was going in, you know, it was fine. It worked out. Absolutely. But I just, I have, so I got your feedback. Yes, and I think again, the more preparation we get out of the central office. Yes. I think the less work, I mean, if we can know that we've got the numbers right and we've put the numbers to bed and we have more time to say, okay, let's talk about, you know, achievement and let's think about how we could put test information out there without compromising children's identities and how we can put some more of that in there because we don't really, I mean, these last couple of years, it's been just, okay, we got some spreadsheets there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. We're very fast trying to get it together. And this is, no, because you and I, you know, and no, it's really, I think it's- We did a fine job and it was surprising that that was the biggest issue of the night, well, aside from how to vote at the end. That was just, that was like dying, because, you know, I was seven years as a town moderate and it was like, no, we gotta just resolve the amendment and once we resolve the amendment, that gets us the question. Then you'll have to vote the whole thing again, yeah. Anyway, great, so I'm excited for that process because I think it's- So we're sort of tabling, we're gonna go over to the annual meeting a little bit more, a little later, yeah. Right, right. The biggest piece was I just wanted us to be doing some leg work and it sounds like you have some great ideas and if we can look at things and say- And the schedules. Here's what we're like about the- Really great ideas for us. Yeah. Because then we know what we're looking ahead at and say, right, we gotta, this is coming up, yeah. Good, good. We kind of skipped over board comment. We did. So kind of like to plug in there, along with kind of the time of the budget and new meaning. I'd like to propose that even like, specifically around budget season, possibly we add another meeting to the month that is just a budget meeting and then our regular meeting is all of your lessons and hearing about all the rest of the business because we end up here so late, which, you know, and then other things don't get as much yet. Yes. Oh no. Exactly, as we said here at 9.15. It's right after I'm saying it, come on. Right, yeah. And we should still have- Yeah, because these things, all of it's weighty and, yeah. All right, well, I mean, and you know, this meeting went long because we had a presentation of Black River and where it's supposed to be. But yeah, we need to, if the meetings are going to go this length, we should definitely consider- If you cut out all the jokes and snide and nice little things. I know, I know, that wouldn't be as much fun. Oh, what do you want? I know, I know. I'm waiting for number seven. Are we there yet? I thought maybe we could get on. Have we finished with, Have we finished with- Board comments. Okay. That was board comments. That was just honing the board retreat. Yes. And we had a review of the annual meeting. Can we, can we, just to think, can we talk in general terms? So we talking like July, June? When are we talking for board routine? July. July sometime or- Third week, third week in July is far enough before, oh no, you're gone. July. I'm getting married in July. Oh, congratulations. Thank you. You'll be at that retreat, no. Yeah, I was like, I just, Bruce said, are you just not working out somewhere? I said, no, you just keep picking that same date. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What date are you getting married? July 20th. Oh, congratulations. That is the third week. I just don't want to over-kid me. No, no, no, honestly, no. Oh, oh, no. Well, I'm wondering, August, now is a board retreat, is a board retreat just the board? Yeah. Or is it a board retreat? It can be, it depends on what we're trying to accomplish. I mean, I think we have some philosophic issues that we need to talk about just as a board. And maybe you only need us there for part of it. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking, is that we need some time just to get, to talk big, bold, broad stuff. But I guess let's wait until Jim and Jim. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, and Bonnie as well. Yeah. Right. Okay, well, we're talking July 2nd is when we're gonna meet again, so can everybody make sure they have their calendars? Are we not meeting Jim? This is Jim. Yeah, this is Jim. Oh my gosh. I think it's June 4th. Welcome to the meeting. Now, as far as July 2nd, I will not be here. No, why did you be asking so many questions? Because we have to go out and come back in again right now. So we can certainly, you can certainly have a meeting without me in July or we can push it to July 9th. You're gonna be on. You could send some dates if you do meet on July 2nd. Yeah, I can send you dates. You're gonna be gone. You're available. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be gone from June 28th through like the July, through, I might even be guy I think, and come back on the 9th, actually. Tuesday the 9th, yeah. Fun? Yeah. Seeing Julie's family in Chicago, seeing my daughter in Rochester going to Phoenix. Oh, come on, this is, I'm literally looking at the clock going by this is 10 seconds of time. That's not making a difference in your bedtime. So, okay, done. So. Public, public moment. Yeah, maybe I suggest you that public moment should be maybe. Usually. Up on the schedule. It is. Because you're all exhausted but it's still good to have an opportunity to hear from the public and taxpayers. No, no, no. It is usually in the very beginning. And also tax, okay. Well, okay, but also, you know, there's a group of taxpayers out there that aren't the parent taxpayers. They're the older taxpayers there and so on. And so how, you know, that communication and also some like May who has this issue about the carbon footprint issue. Yep. Serious that is. But before, I jump on that real quick. I just want to say that in the minutes, these minutes, I'm 11.4, you know, I was talking about the marquee. Not that you needed to talk about it tonight, but how do you formally relate to the public instead of just, I mean, what happens is it gets forgotten. It just gets dragged, you know. You're right to forget forgotten because you actually told, talked to me about it. Well, not, not, not. That was a long time ago. No, no, no, no. You talked about it actually recently. No, that's okay. I'm just sharing with you how we communicate, you know, a good thing that how to communicate. If it's in the minutes, it's probably good to put it into the next minutes. Also the fact that Stockbridge has a marquee and uses it regularly. And we do not have a marquee on this campus. We do have a marquee on this campus. Well, we have it. We do, but it's not. It's not behind the building. Yeah, well, I'm just saying, I don't know this for certain. I want to say there's something about where it was when you sold the property, about where it could go is next. And it's totally a bombing. But you know what? I'm not interested in that as so much as the process of communication. Like, you know, it's been brought forward. It was a board that people could read as they went by to find out what was happening at the school. No, no, I was actually referring more to just when I was talking about how you communicate to the public. That this was discussed. Well, I brought it up at this meeting and then this meeting, there was nobody to communicate that concern. Well, I forgot. Well, it could have been left a message. I don't know. I don't know. But hang on. Let me go. Let me just drop it. Wait, dude, listen to us. Because it's important to say, I wrote it down and then I forgot because I talked to you about it and I was like, yes, we need to put it on the agenda. And it was one of them. I was just like sitting there going, I remember the first thing somebody asked me about. What's the second? And this was it. And I forgot it. So just so you know, it was there and I've heard you talk about it and I believe in it because transparency is one of the key issues of when we all got together as a board. Okay, just history-wise, I mean, someone who did participate on the school board at one time. For an example, we used to have in Rochester in our annual report and inventory of our property. Well, one of the things that happened early a while back was having, and it took a long time to make this happen, to have an cordless electric trimmer being used on the property. I have no idea if that piece of equipment's still here, if it's gone, what's happening or the philosophy around how we use this stuff around the kids, because it's a science thing. It's education when they see the staff using appropriate technologies. And we make, in the SU, sorry, the issue's not here, you guys have the ability to communicate to the SU our collective desires. When they're paying for the contractors to mow, trim, or the staff, is the staff being trained about a carbon footprint, even in the kitchen, wherever it is, and all this going on with the Black River situation and how you're looking at it, what is number one? And for me, I'm concerned about the children's needs. It's not gonna do us any good to educate them if we're not focusing on the situation. And I'm sorry, but the situation was talked about. April 15th, we saw it again on the building back here, you know? So, I don't know what you mean by that. Flooding again. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, this is, we're seeing it almost monthly or whatever, it's our new reality. And we need to, it needs to be the kids. You can't just tell, you don't wanna scare the kids, but we sure can't give them what we're responding to. And if it means the guy out there using an electric leaf blower instead of a gasoline one, that's education. What is our carbon footprint? When you start looking at all the plans, how do you evaluate a carbon footprint? How do you, how does the issue, you should be providing that information. The question I really have though is by switching over to a lot of electric, it doesn't do us any good if it's not a renewable source of electricity. Well, you can have a solar panel and you can do it. It could be a science project for the kids. I mean, it's not, it's, we're beyond, we're beyond that conversation at this stage of the game. I mean, that's where we're at. But a lot of electricity does still come from non-renewable sources. Oh, well, we can get a steam going with some wood chips and make electricity with a generator with the kids and charge the battery for the leaf blower for the maintenance person to use it. And we can't completely hear you, but we also have kids who can't even read. I don't know, I don't understand that, but it doesn't do any good if they're dead. Right, so that's like our way of using the right option. Answer your question, our way of using kids to compost correctly. I understand, I understand. We did this 40 years ago. Well, the guys- This is 40, we're recycling the process again, but we lost 40 years. And now we don't have the same type of luxury that we had. So I'm just saying as a taxpayer, I don't mind passing a $4 million budget, but. You wanted to be going, I think- I want to know that we have a mission statement. We certainly have always had, and then still do an environmental and a wellness focus at our schools. And yeah, it's perhaps not as a line item, we're checking all these boxes off, but we do, that has been our philosophy and I think it still is. I think it's important to, you're absolutely right, we need to be drilling down and focusing more on what I'm really hopeful for is as, to piggyback this on to what Lindy was saying about the idea that now they've had a year as principals to kind of go through and understand the buildings and deal with the staff and they can start looking at things around professional development and start thinking about things because that's a very good point. Should the SU, I mean the SU's focused on reading, but at some point in time there's science and STEM that our communities have said specifically is a big priority. So, you know- The school buses are in the SU. Looking at, looking into those things and trying to align things more and more with some of those initiatives is important. I think the Black River people made a really good point. You know, a barrier fuel service which used to be have an oil burner and a propane burner. You know, maybe put in one, you know, put in one new furnace and keep one of the oil ones and put in, because it'll cost us more to put in a pallet system than it will to put in just another oil one. But maybe that's something we should be thinking about and doing. I know they put, there's pallet fuel at Sharon Elementary. They've got a big silo right out front, big silver silo. Part of it is encouraging new parents to come into the school and there are new parents out there looking at different states, going, what type of school? And a lot of them are looking at schools that are dealing with these issues. No, Mason, I hear you and I think it is, this is why it's great you keep coming back and you keep focusing on this issue because it isn't something we really take on. You know, we talk about literacy. We talk a lot about literacy and that's very important. We talk some about math. I do personally believe that the climate is the biggest issue that faces the world. I totally believe that as an individual. But I don't believe that it has suffused the curriculum and maybe it's a philosophical thing we talk about at the Board of Retreat, is that what, you know, because it can be, it doesn't have to just be STEM. It can be part of reading. Sure, absolutely part of reading. It's like anything else. If you really believe in it, that it becomes part of the whole philosophy of how you look at things. And I think that's, we are a barometer and of everyone's awareness of that. Amazon, talking about Amazon, that's part of this discussion. How we order things, how we, I mean, everything can be looked at through this prism of are we doing the most environmentally conscious thing we can right now? So I think we'll do better. You know, I feel like a little bit like the annual meeting, you know, I hear you and I think we'll, and you're gonna have to keep coming back. Oh, I think they're gonna be guaranteed of that. Yeah, no, no, no. And I don't, and I, but I welcome you because I welcome that you push this issue, which I think is very important. And that it's going to take that kind of continual reminder to get it into our bottom. And I totally agree. I mean, you know how I am with curriculum and I totally, I mean, the climate is so critical, especially because we're destroying it so quickly. But I think there's no but. There's some things, it's not a question of if you do them. It's a question of when you do them. The same thing like we have to set priorities with the buildings or we're gonna do this. And this is the right time to be, as we're doing the buildings, it has to be a face of the puzzle. We're dealing with a building that is. I was gonna say with Lindy, we have kids, we have generations who have not read through these schools. We have generations. They're gonna read. Oh, no, they're not Mason. No, they're not Mason. Well, you know, part of it, I, I, I, I. No, you're not. And we have to do something about that at risk. Right, work with the parents. No, you have to work with them. Well, I mean, that's just my personal opinion is that the more we do with the parents, the kids will read better. But that's not the big piece of it. I mean, but the night's getting late and I don't want to take it up. But I just, but your retreat idea is, you know, a really good philosophy, you know, as a taxpayer, I want to go, hey, let's pay a parent 15,000 to teach the kid at home, you know, instead of the 18-5. But that's another story for another day. Well, we can have a little one of that. Thanks. Absolutely. Thank you. I'll go back to my job. Thank you.