 Hey guys, welcome back to the I'll be so much podcast with me Kenzie Elizabeth and my best freaking friend and part-time Co-host of this podcast as this is her fourth or fifth. I believe fifth time on the podcast Dominique Roberts Hello, everyone. I'm happy to be here. It's great. My friends and families my bfs as you guys call me You guys are my bfs guys in the Facebook group. Everyone calls Dom our bff It literally makes me want to cry For those of you guys who are listening to the podcast things are tuning in. Also, um, we are recording this visually So it's going to be my youtube channel and on my instagram for those of you guys who are watching and are confused Why i'm holding a mic. It's because it's for the podcast. I also believe the video is going to go up before the podcast So anyways, just so you guys know it's literally on every single platform that I have if you guys want to go back and watch the video And whatnot, but today's episode is going to be um, basically just on black lives matter White privilege we talk obviously the murder of george floyd. Um, and just kind of everything that's going on if you guys have not seen social media Um or seen this on social media. I think you're actually living under a rock But also I will say Dom I was thinking about this today And I was like on facetime with that last night and just getting like so emotional because I was like this It seems like there's such like breakthrough almost in In the sense of like people I would have never imagined or never thought are posting black lives matter Just like literally whatever Yes, but the thing that scares me I think I'm kind of also living in this bubble where because I'm only seeing this on social media, which is amazing It's all I want to see I'm living in this bubble of like I forget that there's people who don't agree Even though both of us are getting all these like comments of people who are like so ignorant Um, but I just forget that that exists. So Anyways, um with that being said I hope you guys are following along online right now with everything that's going on And I just really believe there's so much positive change and we are with Dominique Roberts only The best person in the entire world my best friend also someone who is really like spearheading this and I think Dom literally has been like given a platform through this, which if anyone deserves it It is Dom. I will go on and on. I think first off I just want to go on record. We've we talked so much about how we love each other just throughout whatever, but I Love Dom. She's my best one in the entire world. She could probably ruin my life She's the first person to try to fight someone for me She's the first person to continuously offer up her kidney for me like I have never met outside of that feel like I have never met someone who is A better human being than you know when I met Dom she had bright green hair and I immediately was like I want to be her friend so bad I remember I drove you home from class one day And you like wanted to hang out and I was oh my gosh really like I felt really cool And then we instantly became best friends. We started our car talks all the time Dom knows more about me than anyone Probably literally, I don't think I'm sure actually ruin me Yeah, no literally. Yeah. I mean yeah, we you easily know more about me than anyone else And I think I am so in awe of you. I've already told you this but I was literally like in tears earlier Just thinking I hate saying I'm proud of someone because I feel like that Makes it like I feel like in a weird way. It's like I'm taking credit. Just don't make sense But I'm just so like In awe of you and I'm your number one fan and apparently my daddy's the number two fan Which we love that shout out to with piper. What a guy We love him But anyways, you were so anointed you were so called like it's crazy to just knowing you before all of this happened And like the change that you're leading and the the ways that you're educating people and doing so like With so much grace that I literally could I could never do with so much crazy if I were you ever Just saying literally at all But you are literally the best man being in the world. You're so anointed so called It's crazy like I was just saying Just thinking about the past two years and just seeing like Having you like seeing you and walking through so many different things with you that I'm like that Was so apparent that like that needed to happen in order to equip you for like what's happening right now Yes, literally I remember crying like I remember we were in The hallway in Hollywood of Trader Joe's and you were crying because you were so stressed out and we were like There has to be a reason that you're going through this right now And like that specific reason as to why you were crying It's like a total setup for where you're at now And I just think you were breaking so many chains. You are helping so many people I'm learning so much for you and it's literally the most incredible thing I've ever seen So I go on and on about how much I love Dom all the time. So I will get into this Dom this episode is mainly going to be just kind of listening and learning from Dom But something I wanted to share even before we get into this Um first off is that I am more committed than ever to learning I think even more importantly honestly Um and just being part of the solution I Like I'm so sorry one I've not had enough diversity among any of like my whole entire platform as a whole at all Like it's literally laughable. I think I have always been someone I've always been in supportive black guys matter But I am like embarrassed that it's taken me so long to like really really educate myself on the topic Like I feel like honestly even just from the like last 48 hours with the books I've been reading and just the Documentaries and stuff. I'm like, how did I not know this specifically? Like there's just so many things that it's like embarrassing that has taken me this long to like Continue like I had seen the like big netflix ones, but there's so there's just so much that you can learn that's like so Quick like even reading white fragility literally takes like a few hours I read it in a few hours and it was so helpful. Um I actually always guys by the way, I always have an ipad when I record so I'm not like reading off a script I promise I always have an outline But I did um actually quote things because if you guys listen to this podcast regularly, you know I try to try to quote things Um and it's laughable every single time because it's just like I never know it But what I wanted to do at the beginning of this um was just kind of define Racism from what I read in white fragility just in the sense of I think it's really important as a white person to like I mean humble myself and always regard this but like especially right now with racial humility and I think Um, I'm sure there's a lot of people who are listening to this podcast who Um think that they aren't a part of the problem And I definitely would have considered myself as one of those and like at the end of the day Like that's just not true Like we are all a part of the problem and there needs to be ownership So I'm gonna read some things from the book really quickly just so you guys can um I just think it's important to listen to this before and you'll see why okay So I think most people Most of these are direct quotes by the way from white fragility credit or credit steal Okay, most white people have limited information as to what racism is and how it works Most people just view it as a conscious intolerance. Um and What it really is it's racism is a society wide dynamic that occurs at the group level So when I say the only whites can be racist I mean that in the u.s only whites have the collective social and institutional power Imprivilege over people of color people of color do not have this power and privilege over white people so then it says um We and we are going to talk about this so much in the episode But white people focus more on not being racist or being called racist and not enough on how to learn Humble ourselves and be a part of the solution Instead we end up making it about ourselves and hurting our people even worse So stopping our racist patterns needs to be more important than working to convince others that I don't have them It is all me to identify my racist patterns and work to change them We need to be we need to own our racism and not focus on our intentions But focus on the impact our behavior has and apologize for that impact So um, basically, I'm just encouraging everyone as well as myself. I'm with everyone um to like humble ourselves take responsibility In grow and learn what we need to grow and learn because at the end of the day, like this is a systematic thing this is not something that um, like a white progressive necessarily like is immune to and the book also talks about how A lot of white progressives are actually like a really big issue in black guys matter because they are like Oh, look at these white people who are racist and they they fail to Recognize their own racial racist pattern. So anyways, I just wanted to say that because I know um, I just know my demographics So, um, I think if I can learn something I think is you guys can as well, but we're gonna get into the episode I love you dawn. Thank you so much for coming on here my best one in the entire world I give you my kidneys I love you candy. I'll give you both of my kidneys I think you like hit on such a good point too when you were talking about um Just own it You know like you just at this point It's like this what we're experiencing right now is like Unlike anything we've seen before in history Because of social media because of just where we're at at a society It's like all of this is being shown in front of our faces like we're seeing racism out of like a face level value like there's videos Unfortunately of people being killed and it's just like we have to look at it and like Digest it even though it's uncomfortable to digest And it's like you have to like you said like you have to come from this humble position of being like I'm not right I don't think I'm gonna get this right and I'm actually gonna make a lot of mistakes But I'm more determined to be a part of the solution and to learn and make mistakes Then I am to like defend myself and like you said like prove that I'm not racist It's like I actually have so much more respect for people that are like wow I actually have had those thoughts before towards black people But like I don't want to think like that like that right there Like that's how you become an agent of change and it's like racism is learned right hatred is taught It's shown like I don't think people are just born hate hateful Like I don't think you were born Kenzie and you're like I was born to hate only black people like I don't right like that's You know, it's an ideology prejudice is an ideology So because it's a learned ideology you can unlearn it And by unlearning it it takes you digging deep becoming humble And recognizing that you're a part of the problem and you're like, but I've never said like, okay Maybe you haven't said the ember and maybe you have a ton of black friends and you live this beautiful colorful life I don't know but it does take a time of reflection and being like my existence Because because of institutionalized racism and that our country was founded off of racism Has led to being a part of the problem And I need to look deep within to realize and come to an understanding of the racism And what being white has done to our country on an institutional level And I feel like once you start going there It's like all these like things and thoughts start coming up and like I was talking to one of my friends and He was just so real and he was like When I have racist thoughts Like I need to reflect on them like if I have a racist thought he was like as a white man Like he was like I need to like reflect on those thoughts and like where did that ideology come from Like where did that come from and how do I unlearn that and it's like that position right there to even acknowledge that You've had racist thoughts before instead of being so scared of what people think and think of you and all these things It's like that is how We're actually going to see a change in the world around us Yeah, also it's well just kind of on the topic of social media if what you're saying It's crazy because I was also reading and there's talking about and like the civil rights movement and stuff And how you see history changed so much with even who we're electing like appearance wise to Actual some sort of progress in like a civil rights movement with just the power of tv And it's like you see that now but amplified through social media because another difference is Now each one of us has a platform Each one of us has influence each one of us has a way to descend a video out and that video Can have like millions and millions of views rather than going through a tv station and a tv network. So it's like I think On one end of sharing on social media when people are like don't let it just be on stay on instagram a thousand percent Obviously like that and unfortunately like that is a problem But I also think it's really Really important to share on social media as well because I wasn't even really thinking about it in the sense of like how much the media Um over just has impacted the civil rights movement over time And then it's like, okay Well, we have social media now and it's you look at this and you think about it like Social media like people who have like spoken up and done things like your graphics have gone everywhere Like quints and stuff has gone everywhere like that stuff is being used on social media and everyone's seeing that and like this This all started literally like where we're at this week with like everyone doing like the blackout and stuff It's literally through people sharing on social media and using their voice, you know Yeah, and I think that it's like that's the step right it's like all of this is a process It's a journey and it's something that's not going to happen overnight So it's like we need to be committed to being a part of the solution We need to be committed to the process of change and it's like We also really need to have grace in this time too. I like I think that right now is like if you want people to learn Right, like say if someone has a drug problem an alcohol problem And you want to talk to them about their problem, right? If you're not going to have these conversations by yelling at someone Someone who has a drug addiction and alcohol problem if you yell at them, they're going to get defensive They're going to puff up their chest. They're going to be mad. They're going to be like what you're calling me out Like if they're not they're instantly anything you have to say they're not going to listen to you And so it's like we need to be having these conversations With grace and love in the back of our minds like at the end of the day If someone says if you're having a conversation with a friend if you're talking on social media about these things It's like we need to approach everyone with grace and love like today Um with the blackout I posted um, I use the hashtag black lives matter And I went to bed woke up and had my dms like stormed with people being like Do not use that hashtag like and I was like, oh Oopsies like totally did not my bad so I um Like deleted it reposted and just acknowledged it. I was like, hey guys my bad total mistake wasn't even thinking that way Thank you so much. Here's a poc that his business was ruined. Um during what's happening right now like feel free To support him. I think that'd be awesome And it's like that right there like The mistake that I made it's like I'm still met with grace. I'm not being canceled for what's happened And it's like we can't cancel people for making mistakes And and I just think like right now, especially as we're learning It's like we need to really focus on like the heart behind people and you want to see change happen You have to be more committed To seeing change happen It's like like I said if we're using the analogy of someone who's addicted to drugs and alcoholism That's a that's a long process. They're not just gonna Give up drinking and all these things It's like you have to be committed to walking with them step by step and I'm yeah, it's not my job I guess yeah, it's not the job of the black community to educate white people But for me personally, I feel called to do so. I mean I personally I personally have a burden To educate people and I want people I want to educate people out of love not out of anger Um and yeah, I have frustrations and I get upset but I I truly do want to educate people and help them and become better because like What's happening right now We've I mean we've tried everything in the past and it still hasn't worked So it's like this is going to take deep reflection and deep healing For like change to take place Yeah, that's so good. I think And I also can't even imagine what like on your end what it's like to give those people grace like Or to give any of us grace like literally at all But I also think it again And it's like it also takes like deep responsibility and being like no I actually am a part of the problem Like have I ever like would I ever just like call myself a racist person? No, but it's like we are all a part of the problem It's also like a systematic thing like you have to understand and even to the topic of like I was reflecting and I'm like I do a Horrible job of diversity on my socials and like just platform podcast youtube Whatever that might be businesses. I support work with like I have not done good a good job with that like Literally at all and that is something that I intentionally actually went into 2020 Like wanting to be better about and I just like completely gone to the back for it It's like that's not okay. Like that's not something I Wanted to be doing at all and then it's also like Another thing we were talking about the other day with um Just the internet. I think right now obviously like people are hurting like it is a it can be a very hateful place And people are very quick to try to cancel and people are very quick to like try to hate someone or whatever that might be or if I um don't say one thing or something like someone will get mad and blah blah blah and I think a lot of people Just like private conversations. I've had with friends who are like so like oh my gosh everyone hates me blah blah blah I'm like people are hurting like people are just hurting. It's not about like again It's like as white people like do not make it about yourselves. Like do not I think even write people off right now as they're angry. Yeah, I think I need to be the punching bag for a second By all means I'll be the punching bag. Like it's not it's literally not about me so it's also on the other like totally different ends like Having like understanding not I mean not that you could we could ever understand like be hurt but just understanding that there is So much hurt that will never experience or never even be able to actually understand the level of but also like with that giving even more grace when people are so angry like I'm just I'm really concerned personally that so many Like people are so much more concerned with like things that are Like material items that are being ruined than like lives that are being taken Like not yeah, that is like really actually terrifying to me that like that's what's now being focused on and it's like No, there's literally lives being lost. Like I don't understand what we're not getting here You know, yeah, and and like what's so crazy is like Like let's talk about like life for a second, right? Like when someone dies, they're dead you can't You can't raise them back if someone's like I mean dead dead dead like no resuscitation possible Like they are dead. That is it. They don't get like round two, you know And so what's so scary is like people like you said are talking about the material things. I'm like You just put a you just the someone's life just ended With money with resources You can rebuild anything With resources It's like there's no resources. There's no amount of money That can replace a human life. Like I don't care how much money you have You know and so I think people need to start realizing like how serious this is and like how how much bigger the conversation needs to be and I think like Even the microaggressions that you're seeing in the black community of people lashing out and being upset It's like those microaggressions literally come From I this is the best analogy and I'm like working on like I want to post this and make it a conversation piece but like An analogy for like being born black is like being born into having like being born With skin that's almost like a really itchy sweater So like just being born right off the bat is uncomfortable It's just really itchy sweater that I can never take off And then every time someone makes like a racist comment or an offensive joke or whatever it's like That sweater just gets tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter And it's like the more that people have dealt with racism and felt it firsthand The more angry the more upset they're going to be the more irritable Because they've been wearing this sweater that is just so tight that they're going to explode And it's like there's no release. It's like there's no escape and it's like People need to start realizing like that's the reality of like What it's like to have like black skin and So like you're saying like right now we can't afford to make this about like like white people can't afford to make this about themselves Like they like you said like they've done enough like you need to start focusing on your black counterparts You're the people of color around you and like I I was just like so undone, but I had this kid this little kid In my comments like a high schooler And he goes I my friend Laura she's like local to la and she Is like a small business lost her job to covet. She's um this she's a young black Female super and she has started this bakery thing and she's been like Selling like you can order and then she'll drive to your house and like drop it off And it's created like business for it's been her business Since covet happened and it's incredible And so she's donating all her proceeds. She donated all her proceeds This week that she made To one of like the anti racism like organizations And I posted the graphic that was like support black businesses and this kid was like that's racist It's like that's racist Why are you having people focus on only supporting black businesses? If you want equality then like you need to have people and you can't say that And I literally am like bro This is the definition of racism Racism is prejudice Right. We're as human beings. We all have some types of prejudice ideologies that we've picked up on just existing about human nature plus power Your black your people the people of color around you might have prejudices That's just human nature. We all do But it's not met with power Exactly, so it's like for you. Yeah, and it's like for you to say that and talk like that and just Keep saying that and like you're racist. You're this you're that I'm like You're not now you're not helping lift up a black business owner You know like you're not you want you want to talk solution based solution based This that stop burning down buildings stop this. I'm like if you really I mean really want to be a part of the solution Then I mean, what's the big deal about helping someone? And like really diversifying once again like what's wrong with support? I didn't say only support black owned businesses But support them and it's like right now. It's like we're dealing with these young kids Who are so who are picking up bigotry from their friends and picking up bigotry from like Just yeah, the world around them and it's so harmful. It's so hurtful Because these are the future employers. I keep saying this on every in podcast I go on like these kids like with their ideologies of like big tree and hatred and covert racism is like They will employ people one day. They will own businesses one day They will be a part of leading america one day And if no one calls them out, no one checks their white privilege No one says enough is enough stop talking like that No one tells them that they're wrong. No one has a loving conversation about racism in their home Then this walk is just going to be a lot longer This is I mean like Buckling and I'm challenging people right now on my platform. It's like parents Like brothers and sisters you have brothers and sisters that are teenagers It's like you need to talk to them because the social Right now it seems like the trend just from my comments and my dms like that i'm speaking from is like These kids it's like it's not trendy to be anti-racist in junior high and high school Just so based off of like social pressure and like the popular kids and what do they have to say but it's like If we're based off of the morals and values that our parents teach us and the people around us the people We look up to if their morals and values like match being anti-racist Then you're influenced by who's around you So even like the influencers that we watch and the influencers that we support if they're anti-racist I'm going to be anti-racist they have influence over me and I think All of this this huge tangent that I just went off on is like These are all things you need to keep in mind when it comes to finding A long-term solution, you know posting on social media Is raising awareness and it's a short-term solution And it's helping spread the word and I think it's what's causing kind of this new revolution of like looking within yourself and unpacking your covert racism, but I just think that like we're on the brink of something that could be so beautiful and like honestly you lead to us America being an anti-racist society Also, I just really want to point something out to the whole I mean the idea of reverse racism is Like don't even the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life to be like really just putting that out there but You are not like shot or walking down the street Worried that you're gonna be shot or you're not around a police officer and like worried for your life It's not this it's literally like not the same thing and exactly like what people don't understand is like with racism comes power Look what you're saying. So it's literally impossible Only white people like white people have the power. So only white people are able to be racist It's a different thing like there's power involved and people are not Like I think that's what people don't get and again It just keeps going back to people being more concerned about making it about themselves than like humbling themselves and listening There was a post that I wanted to read and it said um I don't have the original instagram post i'll try to find it but um It says here's an example of how white privilege sounds you keep saying it's horrible and innocent black men was killed But destroying property has to stop try saying it's horrible that property is being destroyed But killing innocent black men has to stop you're prioritizing the wrong part and I think that's where we're seeing a lot of people like like That's exactly the the literally exactly what we're saying in the point like i'm extremely concerned for a world And even just a thought pattern when we immediately go to like oh my gosh with stuff and it's like no no no But the lives and also might I add at what point like It's like black people literally cannot win like you peacefully protest and then Like you don't listen to the peaceful protest and then you go So it's like what we're re-expecting and like not to say it obviously I know white people are also like protesting at not whatever but it's like Also, then you see like all the like riots and looters and everyone that everyone is so angry in an uproar and blah blah blah And then you look in the video and it's like there's also like white people doing that though But then they're also blaming the black people because of course they're blaming the black people because that's how they view them in their Like in their heads. Do you see what i'm saying? Like it's actually just anything like what? Yeah, and um So i don't know if you watched like christine kane and the psychologist that she went but She talked about how like there was like a teacher's conference and they all went to the teacher's conference and They're like, okay. Um, i'm gonna show you this class Dynamic and you guys are gonna tell me who the problem child is And they like at the end of it They like pin pointed this one little black kid every single teacher was like it's that little Black kid and then they were like there was no problem in that classroom But you guys all pointed like this little black four-year-old kid And it just was like Thank you This is what i'm talking about This thug narrative that like That Matures like black kids can't even be black kids like there's like a 13 year old black girl Is already looked to as she's compared to is like a 21 year old woman like you you guys are like making these children and giving them mature titles and saying young man And all these things and it's this narrative that plays into like them being criminalized black people being criminalized and It's hurtful and it's harmful and we need to see it We need to know it and we need to understand it Because it's like if we don't if we keep just going on like we've been going on then this is gonna happen again And i'm going to be kenzie and i are going to be 40 years old And we're going to be on a podcast And we're going to be talking about this And then kenzie and i are going to be 40 years old and we're going to be marching about this And i'm not saying that the solution is going to happen overnight I'm not saying there's not going to be there's not going to be more injustice when we're 40 years old But what i'm saying is what's happening right now It needs to drop to an exponential level and that starts with just unpacking covert racism What are the best ways to be an ally like what are things i can do better and then just kind of across the board like What are the best things that you can do? Yeah, um, I think when it comes to this it's like First it's like first this is just kind of the equation that i've just been giving people but it's like change starts in the mind Your world than the world and it's like so it's like the first step to the equation is like you need to heal your mind You need to go dig deep in your mind. You need to heal your heart You need to like see your like racist patterns. You need to recognize them and then you need to reflect on them Where did that come from? Why do I see This group of people this way Why do when this happens? I instantly think this it's like if you don't reflect and if you don't think in And do all the back work and that's like that's not an overnight process That's the longest part of the process But it has to be like an act, you know, it's like an exercise. You have to like work on that muscle you have to exercise in like You need to start there in the mind and doing all of those things and I have some reflections stuff Questions on my page that you can ask yourself to kind of start that process But then it's like Part two is like then you need to call it out in the world the world around you when black people aren't around um Like if you're at brunch with your friends and it's all white friends And one of them says something like off color like offensive or racist. It's like You need to be like that wasn't okay. You can't talk like that around like you just instantly you need to like Be speaking out and actively speaking out about it and on every degree and on every level And then it's like after that It it like leads to change in your world And it's like it's enough people start reflecting if enough people start taking inventory of like Calling out racism and then also reflecting on the racism within them. It's like If enough people start doing it the world's going to start changing And I think like that's the hope for humanity right there is that people would take time to start listening and seeing what they're doing and like Change within them What do you think are the best ways to amplify black voices? Yeah, I mean I think what you did I talked about it on loren's podcast I think what you did was so awesome. You're like i'm doing this live. Um With this creator and I think like collaborations like that All of these things like that you can do I think are so incredible so awesome And that's like how we have to amplify their voices like It's like going out of our way because right tokenism is horrible. I hate tokenism It's honestly at that point It's like just have white people on your podcast Just stay in your white bubble like don't even try if you're just going to do tokenism And I mean that I'm not I'm not kidding like tokenism is one of the worst things you can do to becoming an ally But genuine diversity Right to people that maybe don't know. Oh, yeah Sorry, so tokenism is like I feel like what we see a lot in like the ads of today Like just putting a black person there. So it looks like oh like we're diverse and like look We love black people, but it's like, I don't know. Do you actually or like or are you just like putting a black person there? So like if people look back, it's just like, oh, yeah, I guess they've used black people before and And just like different types of tokenism And in ways like that like just being like, oh, yeah I have a black friend in case you get called out for racism Like it's like you can be like, well, I have black friends and it's just like just because you have black friends doesn't mean you're racist Yeah Yeah, and that's part of the reflection that I was talking about was like Just because you have black friends does not mean you have you don't have covert racism in your heart And it's like you need to think about that and it's like you need to Absorb it and you need to reflect on it And don't be if you instantly if your first thing you want to do is become defensive When someone calls you out for something you have a problem You probably do have covert racism because if anyone were to I mean, I'm not white But imagine if I was and someone were to call me out and I was genuinely trying to be a part of the solution I'd be like, thank you. I needed to hear that my friend Who is white she went on vacation. She was on like vacation she went out like camping or something was in an airbnb And everything was going on and she was like posting her vacation like still the same And one of the people like replied to her story and was like dude You're like being tone deaf right now And she just posted this thing that was like this. You're so right I am tone deaf I did not even realize that I had the privilege of like not being a part of the conversation and like it was this beautiful thing And I'm like you you have to put your defenses down if you actually want to join and be an accomplice and being anti-racist and it's like Just because you have black friends does not mean you have covert racism And it's like you need to have the reflection like people are having right now And it's like and my platform gives you the grace to do that Everything that I'm posting right now has been out of love Out of wanting to understand and out of understanding and wanting to help educate people And so many people have been like, you know, it's not your job and I'm like, yes, I know it's not my job I don't get paid. I don't get paid to do any of this. Like I know girl. I know it's not my job It it ain't paying the bills and like my point with that is because that's how passionate I am to do this. That's how passionate I am to talk about these things because it's like To see change like It's gonna take like us to like dig deep and look within and not just have tokenism And then it's like to fight for genuine diversity. It's like what we need to do is like, okay Tokenism is bad, but I don't know any black people that or creators that I like Okay, so then you're gonna have to do what? Research. Who are some black leaders killing it? Yeah, go find some and it's gonna take time for you to probably like, you know Actually find one that you like but like at least you genuinely like them and like you don't even say like you need to Start just going out and that's even in your circles. Like let's take this off the platform You don't have any black friends Like make it a priority like that you want to start getting to know more black people Like put yourself in spaces that will make you be around more black people And like not in a weird way, but like in a genuine like I just wanted like, you know, I need to get Uncomfortable. I want to go to more places like black owned businesses black owned coffee shops Like all of these things like we need to take these things and we need to like understand them I think Every every single thing that you just said 1000 percent. I believe it's carlin's who said this But it's something on the lines of proximity creates passion and distance creates distortion So like even for me, I'm like even in my like circles like adding more diversity adding more In whether that's like my work life or my personal life or whatever that might be Um, also I want to say on the topic of like it's not your job I think The thing that I'm just so in awe of you is is that like it's I can't even imagine how like emotionally taxing and training as well Like this when people are like, um, just For like educational resources, it's like you shouldn't have to go to like a black person to have to educate you on racism Like you can easily like educate yourself But it's just like what you've done is just like that's even more like not that I would expect that from any black person I just like the fact that you Are out doing this and doing how much you're doing and I just came and imagine like how Taxing um, I'm going off of your post on having black friends does not mean you aren't racist And then it says this is supply to you question number one How do I see black people that aren't my friends question number two? Have I taken the time to understand my black friends and their perspective question number three? How do I talk slash let people talk about black people behind closed doors and in white spaces? um So I think I mean dom has so much so many resources on here that can Are like invaluable as far as kind of helping you like dig deeper within yourself and figuring that out um, but it's like No, exactly like even I don't know. I just think it's so easy like exactly what you were saying to quickly um people are so defensive like what we were talking about the girl on a vacation like People are so defensive and so with like white fragility instead of owning it and learning and growing from it They'll say no, I'm not and the conversation stops there and that's the problem because you have like it's a street And you basically can either turn left or right and you're either going to grow and learn or you're going to turn Left and like go literally just keep going on and on and on you're getting further and further away From growing and it's like that's something I've been thinking about this week too I'm like, I'm so grateful that I even have people who would take the time to message me and like let like educate me um, like like correct me to like tell me why Doing this or saying this isn't correct or isn't right or whatever or even like sharing even more resources with me To share with my audience in particular like as an influencer It's like I'm so grateful that there are people who Even like care enough like to say something and just speak up and like there should be that should be the norm But it's like you I think it's really important to look at it in a way that you're really grateful for In learn from it rather than just getting defensive and pushing it away And going more into a racist bubble to where you're making you're disunifying even more Yes, and like I think that's where like we grow next right because it's like Feed fatigue and all of that is like we understand that like people have actually like we've been using that term like And it's like if you're white right now and you're experienced feed fatigue Like you need to understand what's happening Right now in our society you really need to look in but at the same time and I've said this on like the other podcast that I've been on it's like this is like something that you do for a living right like posting and um In social media like it's a job for so many other people and it's like Yes, we need to take time right now as a society to reflect because there's a deep healing that needs to take place But it's like how do we move forward? Like what's the social media etiquette on this and I'm like the social media etiquette is that like Okay post a cute photo of yourself post a cute outfit. I'm not saying don't do that I go to instagram to see cute outfits But like I mean can you highlight like a person of color? Can you be like this outfit was inspired by so and so like you don't have to be weird and be like They're a person of color, but like you can just be like so inspired by their page like You know just creating diversity within their page and once again, I don't have all the answers I literally just got a platform five days ago. So I don't know and I'm trying to do my best to think You know and help and I'm gonna get it wrong too But I just think that like we need to start thinking like that We need to start thinking of ways to become a diverse society to that We we as a whole as America as you know Americans we become anti-racist Yeah, I think it's about being intentional with it Which is something that I'm trying to be so much better about because I've failed big time in this area and I think having a platform is such a gift. There's two things I want to say the first thing saying um Having a platform is a really big gift that I like really Like obviously the person of faith like I don't view it as my own Like I really view it as like a gift and it's like this platform is not just to serve me at all It's actually not to serve me like that's literally not the point so It's like I want to steward this well and use this in ways that Are important and in ways that like matter to god And I think this is the top priority right now Like I don't see anything else being more important than this And then the second thing as an influencer. Yes, this is technically my workspace And we're supposed to bring these conversations into our workspace So like this is literally my job right now is to do that, you know, and obviously like at some point It's not going to be like this week. We're all this is all we're posting But it's not and it's not going to just stop after that But it's not going to only be this forever, you know, and it's like I think And even at that point like I think that's awesome because it's like you're also attracting More people to follow your page and more people who are also going to get more diversity now from this and like we will never go back to like Whatever that was before like we will never go back to that ever again. Like it will always be different. Hopefully, you know Yeah, and I think that's totally right Like I think the reason why there's so many riots and protests and just even social media has taken like The the tone that it's taken like so many popular creators that we love I've taken a serious tone that they've taken is because like We've been getting it wrong for so long and we need to start fixing it. So I mean, I'm Just like I mean, I was telling this with kenzie But I'm like so funny because I feel like out of all my like white friends that I have I feel like kenzie has always lived a life of diversity like Always like I just really it's like a part of like who you are And I think it's just like you've always never cared like who you put yourself around Like if you like them you like them and I think that's like such a cool way to live and um and the fact that you're doing even more reflection to me gives me hope that like There's gonna be people out there that are gonna like grow so much as people just Continuing to reflect it because it's like we're never going to be perfect Like this doesn't ever end and it's like we have to keep going So it's like what does that take well to create a good work within yourself? It's like it takes you constantly Having the discipline of I'm committed to self reflection in anything that you do Not just racism, but anything that you do if you want to come better in any area Constant reflection taking time to think and look within It's amazing. I love you. This is the best episode. Thank you so much for coming on All right guys, um, we stopped recording and then we started talking and then we wanted to talk about this So we're back. Hope you didn't miss this too much. Um, I wish I was sharing with Dom how I think I mean one of the most disturbing things to me is how many people have messaged me Just when I said that we were recording about like how does Dom handle People using the bible as means to like defend racism and segregation and I mean historically like slavery and whatever that might be Um, and then we were just kind of going off. So Dom if you would like to take it away Um, feel free. I know it's odd, but I would love to hear what you have to say. Yeah I mean, I think for me from like the christian perspective, it's so disturbing When I hear people talk about how like use scripture to back up racism Just just because it's like first off Jesus was not right like he was Not an anglo-saxon european male like he was from jewish descent and more than likely he was probably brown just because like In the middle east and just you know that hemisphere of the world like that all of that whatever So if people keep saying well, if jesus yeah, if jesus were here in the world today He would be probably discriminated against in some degree and I don't know what that would look like, but What I do have to say is like First off, that's not the heart of god Anything that god creates he loves so he loves everyone And it's like for you to say anyone's less than or that there needs to be a separation or that you know There's just so many things and I think what's so important that we need to recognize that that's like That's harmful and it's sacrilegia and it's distorting the word of god Which honestly upsets god more because god's not a liar Like he's a very he's an honest like god and he's a just god and he's a fair god So it's like when people say that I'm like Wait what? I'm like, I don't think we're talking about the same god here And so I think what's so important if there's someone yeah go go go go go no I like am so so heated about this. I have I mean, I'm heated about everything, but like this is a whole new This is like You are oh my gosh, especially here's the thing one. We're not reading the same book. I don't know a book You're reading. It's not the same book. Okay two I don't know what god you're talking to but it's not my god. It's not the god of the universe So that's the second thing. Yeah In what jesus was not white like when are you gonna understand that fourth? I'll just keep going on god is for Reconciliation god is for equality god is for people you see that Gender-wise goddess for equality Races like race wise god is for equality like it was never there's not a superiority thing That is a man-made thing and when you're using the bible and the word of god and like your weird Made-up religion that you're using as your defense to vote a certain way Which was never the point and also god and jesus are not put into a political party I'm so sorry and also might even I'm gonna go ahead and add that I think the political party that you're using Burk god for is not even the one that not i'm not gonna speak for god and jesus and who he's gonna vote for But I don't think that that is a reason to vote the certain way that you're voting That's not what I think at all. So it's like if you're Wanting to help the poor as the bible is saying and wanting to have equality as the bible is saying and help people And love people it is not by using the bible to use that as a way to defend your racism and defend Historically what slavery was and whatever like that is the most Messed up thing you can possibly do and I really really encourage you to actually read the book and actually talk to the god Because there is genuinely in my eyes No possible way that you have a relationship with god and you still think those things like How do you have a relationship with god? How are you talking to the god of love of the universe? And you are not like you don't have some sort of heart change. Like I'm very concerned. It's just wrong Like there's nothing about it Yeah Yeah, and to me like what I think is so crazy is like Jesus even speaks on racism in the bible like the story of the samaritan And it's like the jewish people have like a prejudice against the samaritan people and he calls it out He's like which commandment he's like, what are the two greatest commandments? Just the love for your god with your heart mind and soul and then to love your neighbor as you love yourself And so he calls he uses the parable of the good samaritan of being like if you're a man and This man who's on the side of the road who was the one who stopped to help him the samaritan So who's the one who did good in this situation the samaritan, which is proving to the fact that like it's an Just use and a twisting of god's word and it's like Okay, change the word samaritan to black and white You know like i'm serious because it's the same context It is the exact same context And so I think people need to like realize and recognize and look under the historical background Of what we're talking about and it's like god will always side with the oppressed and um Always always. So yeah, I just think that is the most dangerous narrative that you could feed as a christian right now And actually, I just want to say something really really quick and no actually I'm just gonna hold back, but you know, I just want to challenge you guys have a conversation I just love and You can't do that. It's not right. It's not right and it's very harmful. It's very damaging And if you want to be a part of the solution that is not the way I had to Do myself Dom handles everything so much better than I do. I especially like I don't know how you do this But I another thing I will say now that I've like kind of relaxed a little bit is that also just on On behalf of like as a white christian I am so Sorry that that is ever That that not even that that has ever been used that that is still being used as some sort of propaganda thing like That is not Like the bible that is not christian and more importantly, that's not god or god's heart like that could not be more opposite So I am so sorry if like I this there's really nothing more I think that embrages me more than like this specific topic as well just like I don't like the whole situation like just justifying it in the use of like the thing that can like save you Like no, absolutely not. So that's just wrong. I'm not even gonna be like, oh, I'm so sorry Like it's just it's just wrong and like there's nothing. No, absolutely not. So Yeah, there's no ifs ands or buts No period in the words of dominic robbers Period That period right there I will have it's her instagram is dom robbers. So there's an x I'm gonna have it in the show notes so you guys can just click right there And then if you guys are watching on youtube or instagram youtube, it will be linked Instagram it will be tagged. Um, I love you so much dom. Thank you. I am literally so in all of you I think I've always thought you were the greatest person in the entire world I've always said I'll give you my kidney But even I just like literally every single day like earlier this morning I was literally doing my diva and I was crying and I was crying because I was thinking about How you were the best person ever and I'm just like so in all of you and I just love you So thank you so much for coming on. I'm serious You're gonna be crying because guys, you don't understand kenzie's my best friend like there's So many things I could tell you about the things that she's done for me It's not even funny, but kenzie you already know that I love you and I'm obsessed with you and that you're my best friend forever Because you own my kidney. So We should get fast bracelets, you know how those are like really trendy right now We should get. Yeah You're gonna say tattoos and I was like are you gonna get like kidney outline I'm actually afraid because you would actually try Yeah, but like I actually would do it, you know Yeah, like we'll talk later. Yeah, I'll have to I'll let you know. I'll keep you posted on that one Okay, um, thank you guys so much for listening. I really really hope that um, we can all just take this and learn I know that I'm taking this and learning. This is not something that I'm like Shouting and saying I'm not part of the problem by any means like I'm trying to get better I'm trying to learn. I'm trying to unlearn. I'm trying to educate myself not even trying. I am that's what I'm doing So I love you guys. Thank you for listening. Um You do anything from this episode follow dom please I love you guys so much and I would talk to you guys next week. There's gonna be a lot more Um content and stuff along my socials as well If you guys want to check out more stuff there and facebook group all about stuff But love you guys and I'll see you next week