 Welcome, welcome to Unhinged with The DoorDork, where today we do have a very special guest, Mr. Joey Mares. Let's jump into the next one. Are you ready? Ready. Oh, man. Don't they have a door transfer right at the bottom of that, too? Yeah, the EPT down there. That looks like the Securitron one, the... The SEPT? Yeah, the SEPT, the CEPT that retrofits right into the Von Duperen one. Yeah, but it was much easier to just pop a couple holes and put a little loom over it. So I mean, you know, the first thing I noticed was the smoke seal on the door, so more than likely there's some sort of fire rating on it. So we fell that door, since we drilled through it and we have an unrated piece of wire loom running on it. Yeah, that's no bueno. Yeah, ADA probably wouldn't be real excited about that. Not to mention the world of door hardware, that won't last long at all. I mean, I've put $5,000 worth of Panic hardware on doors and then seeing people take a plane in the car and just peel it right off the door. You can use this flimsy little string that looks like kids want to play with it, right? Like, they already drilled the door. Like, why didn't they just connect the pieces there? Or what's going on? Maybe the failure happened in the power transfer? I don't know. Yeah, I think I would have fixed that, but I don't know. Or does this go to a different lock and they retrofitted with a panic bar on this? And that was their way of getting power to the motorized latch retraction or something. Yeah, maybe the bore through the door, the raceway went from that hinge over to like the trim and they just needed it for the MLR. They're like, oh, I see if we just run a new one, just run it through. Look, but you know, they put some wire loom on it. They could have just left it there. I mean, and he did a nice job in the frame. It's a small hole. Yeah, yeah. That could have been way worse. Magical tape on each end. I mean, you know, we can find some positive here. No, actually, it was a much bigger hole. They just bondoed it over just. Oh, they done that while they were painting over the fire label. Yeah, yeah, where's the fire label on this? Again, I mean, it's probably not the worst thing, honestly, that I've ever seen, but at this point, the fire door is filled if they were to get inspected, that in itself is probably enough to give it a bad score. Yeah, I mean, a filled fire door. It's not doing any good, right? Like it's better than nothing, obviously, if they took the door off the hinges, but it's like drilling holes into a fire door. You're just compromising the whole door. It's easy for flames and smoke and stuff to get through that. And once it gets through that, then what's the reason of it? Right. Well, you know, too, and this, I mean, somebody done this quick install. Maybe it's what they had to work with. Maybe it's all they knew how to do. But in a true fire inspection and they reference NFPA 80 and they do this, they're going to fill this door. And technically this door should be placed to meet fire codes. So that quick install cost them a little bit of money now. I don't know. Electrified hardware, a fire rated door, hinges, a new frame. Like what that's? Obviously, we can't see the other door, but if it's in a hotel or business, it's probably double doors. They probably did the same thing on maybe there's an auto door on it. You know, so it can add up real fast. Hopefully it's not in the hospital because then you can just double it. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. So officially knocking score. What do you think, Joey? And I hate to say a 10, maybe a nine. You know, again, it's going to fell inspection if it's done properly. Got to give the installer a tiny bit of credit. So we'll go with the nine because they did attempt to cover up the wire and make it look a little more presentable. You know, again, if somebody's not in this industry, they probably really don't know about fire codes and how they affect doors and whatnot. So we'll give them a nine. That way we give them a little bit of benefit of the doubt in there. Yeah, I'm like in the nine range. I mean, if we're in a fire, this is a 10, probably, but in regular operation until somebody pulls on that wire, it's probably OK. But yeah, no, this is probably a nine. They call it shock door because when you go through, it's shocking. It's all low voltage. You'll be fine. That's how you do your test. You just wiggle it, blow out. Yeah, it's so good. We got power on it. Yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah, in the case of a fire, honestly, because it's going into the panic device and it's on the other side of the frame, like it probably would still hold up, but it's not going to pass the test or the code or so. Yeah, we got to give them a knocking score of at least eight or nine. It's not too knocking bad. It's more just like, why? Why would you? Why would you do that when you have power to the door already? I think in this situation, too, not knowing more about the door, not that it still doesn't fail, but looking at what we're looking, I mean, if it shut properly and it latched properly, that's probably the bigger thing here other than it still fell in. That's true. Yeah, I wish each one of these pictures we had a video that complimented it with like someone going through it and closing it. And then then we could really get some detail out of this. OK, next picture, final picture. Are you ready? Actually, don't even remember, like my memory is terrible. I don't remember this one. So it's going to be a surprise for me, too. It seemed better. Oh, no. Oh, man. Well, my initial thought is, hey, I made it through all three pictures without seeing something I did. So we got that going. I mean, is there really even a door? Is it to the right of the picture? It's to the right, yeah. But like the first place, all the doors underneath the jackets, right? Yeah, I'm running through them shirts for sure in an emergency situation. Oh, for hot deals and clearance sales and fires. It just made me think about, you know, you see the exit signs that have the arrow, you know, when you get out of the hallway, you're supposed to turn. I'm like, that's the last thing I'm going to be looking for. I want to see the exit sign and I'm dashing through it. But meanwhile, you go through it, you hit a dead end and you go about and you're like, oh, there was an arrow saying, get to the right. Yeah, I feel like they need to make those arrows more obvious or something or change the sign completely. So it's a different type of exit sign. It's yeah, or like big flashing lights like blinking, like pointing that way. I can see the frame is like a maroon. And I like how they've color coordinated the clothing display to like match with the frame. I appreciate it. Jacket just blends in nicely. And there's that like hoodie peeking out behind the other jacket. We could easily layer on to this door and add the options to this. And Benji took the picture. So now we know what style clothing needs into. I mean, if you're looking for any gift ideas, there's plenty right here. Well, Joey, you may not know, but Benji used to work at Ralph Lauren. So if you need a stylist. Is that why he's popping his collar right now? And since I can remember, I love the merchandiser and store manager inside me is like also like judging their display here. Like that's a lot going on. There's almost coming back in top right. It's an hour educating the door nerds on style. Where's me as a. I don't have. What I thought you went to Starbucks and like I have a day and excuse me, but I'm in my 30s, so I have sorals. What is that? Is that like compression stocks or something? I went into the shop with my wife. We were up in Leavenworth, Washington, which is a beautiful Bavarian village up in the mountains and walking into the store. I immediately pull out my phone and my wife's like, yeah, I see it too. Yeah, she's keeping her eye out for it now. So can we really write this door since we can't see it? I mean, if the only person that could exit in the emergency this way is Mr. Koolaid, man. It's hard to see, but there is a window. So someone could be confused to think that there is a door here. If they like are trying to get through and they're like feeling the glass. And anytime there's a path of egress or an exit, you want it to be very clear and concise because when people are panicking and they will, that's natural. We'll all panic in these kind of applications. They're going to be just like fumbling all over the place. And if they think there's something there and they're trying to get through, like they won't be able to even know the doors right there. There's smoke or something like. But don't forget all of those people are going to go out the front door because that's the door they came in. And only those door nerds are going to look for the other exits because that's the first thing we did when we walked in. We scan the environment where they can tell me all the time she tells friends any time we go somewhere. She's like, Joey has to sit near the exit and he can tell you where they're all at in the event of emergency. Like, I hope that I don't have to prove that to be good one day. But when it does, you're going to all be coming to me wanting to know where to go. It's going to cross my arms and say, I don't think so. It reminds me of the show, Psych, where the dad, I don't know if either of you watched it, but the dad really just trained him to be like observationally aware and be like, you can't have dessert until you can shut your eyes and tell me how many hats are in the restaurant. And it's like that. It's just like situationally aware of what is happening around you. Just training, right? It's just knowledge. Like, once you know, you know that you can't unknown, right? Like you got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can't help but look in. I mean, just saying here, if there was an emergency and the power went out, that thing's going to light up that area like a runway. Say, hey, come this way. It was a fairly long store. Like what if the fire started up at the front of the store and like that's your only way to escape as out that point and people will be looking for it. I mean, it definitely needs to be fixed. I don't think a lot of people probably noticed the importance of things like that signage and location. It just seems most people just say, oh, it's an exit sign. It just, you know, but there's a lot more to it for sure. And I don't know if you were inspecting this, you wouldn't let this slide, right? You would want them to resolve this, right? Get the exit sign over to the other side or have this one be pointed to another exit sign that's above the door. Yeah, I mean, you know, the codes, I think sometimes a little different in other areas, but I'm sure there's probably a footage thing. You know, how far from the door does the sign have to be? I don't know of anything directly says it has to be over the front. I would assume with it off to the side like that it should have that error like we sort of joked about earlier to at least give that indication that that door is to the right and not underneath it. I think it could be fixed. I think it would be important to note on the fire inspection to have something done. Like I said, maybe it could be as simple as the error, but it's not. I see to the left of that, they got some surface mounted conduit there. So they had to extend off of that a little bit to, you know, move the sign. It would be the end of the world. I would also suggest not having the merchandising going all the way up to the ceiling. Let's bring it down so that if there is an actual emergency, there's a differentiation in where the clothing ends. But you guys baggy flannels now. Did you say flammable or flammable? Yes, both, right? Like I hope those are all fire resistant clothing, right? Like hopefully those are all polyester or something. I don't know. You know, the fire code says you can't have too many flammable coverings on the wall. That could be something that's over as well. Yeah, that's something to consider there. That potentially is degrading the quality of the actual wall itself, right? Because a wall is supposed to be fire protected as well. Exactly. I've seen cases where schools, you know, had to remove some of the artwork and stuff that was on the walls because the fire load had been increased too much for the wall size to go with the fire rate. So it could be the same issue here, I'm not sure. I've seen that a lot where they like run construction paper all the way down the hall and like there's just a plethora of art projects and paper machete, like whatever is on there is like that in a fire. That's just going to all light up. It's a good time to remind teachers. Teachers do not decorate your doors. It interferes with the door's fire rating, the decorations on the wall. Then little Johnny's painting home. Don't hang it on the door, let it be on the refrigerator. And retail managers don't do this. Yeah. OK, officially knocking score. What do you guys think? I'm with a seven. I haven't used seven today. And again, I think it's definitely a big deal, but easy remedy. Can't see too much of the door. So we don't know about that. But as far as a path of egress, at least it's clear. It doesn't look like anything's in front of the door. Yeah, I mean, there's the step stool right here. But I mean, there's still plenty of clearance in the dark. You might not see that and you could trip over it. But if we're being picky, there would be some things here. But I don't even really remember that door. Obviously, there wasn't anything too wrong with it. Otherwise, there would be another picture right next to it. It don't matter how much lights in there. If I'm wearing my flip flops, I'm still going to stomp my toe on that little ladder, no matter what. Or just the emergency or not. So it doesn't matter. Your toes will find a way. Yes, it will. Preferably, but the pinkies are. So not knowing if the exit sign has a proximity limit. I'm in the six, seven range also. Part of me feels like eight, but some of the clothes need to come off from the top because that sign could even get lost in the clothing alone. Like even if it's within code, distance wise, it's too crowded. Well, like if they packed out the rack, it would be totally lost. Like if all three of those are totally packed out, especially if you're standing like closer to it, because then it's like jutting out and it's like overflowing a little bit. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm in the seven range. Yeah, this one's a tough one because I don't know if code wise anything is wrong, but it feels wrong. I'm like 99% sure this is not code compliant. I know there is like a foot wise, but I'm pretty sure it has to be at least on the same like wall. The exit or at least point in that direction. I'm with you. I don't think it deserves a 10 or even a nine. I'm iffy on maybe an eight or a seven. I'm going with seven. I like your answer. Seven's probably the right answer for this because it's not like it's that bad. It's not like they could eventually still find the exit. It just you might be running into the close first and then like, oh, crap, I can't exit out this way. Oh, there's a door right here. I'll go out this way. I mean, it's kind of like what my wife always tells me. You can do better. You can do a little better. Try a little harder. Incremental improvements. That's right. Thank you. Thank you, Joey, so much for your insight, your knowledge, your knocking and your slamming. Appreciate you jumping on here and thank you for joining the show for us. Yeah, no, thank you. Appreciate it. For those that are watching, make sure you join us for the next episode. Our doors are always open partially because they are unhinged. If you want to be featured on a future episode of Unhinged, you can leave a note below or you can email me at Mia at DoorHardwareNerds.com. Thanks for watching.