 Ah, welcome. Today we're going to take a look at how you make music using artificial intelligence, AI technologies. My friend Kat here is a DJ. She's done it both professionally in real life, as well as doing it in virtual worlds like Science Space. She also did, I believe, a little bit of that in Second Life as well, and has even run her own OpenSim server before, too. So she's got quite the experience when it comes to the metaverse, and now she's getting quite the experience when it comes to working with AI music. So she just recently helped me learn how to use AI music generators and how to create the songs and the nuances of it. So let me have a further introduction. This is Catherine Yarre. Hi, everyone. Okay. Well, we're going to take a look at what I reckon is one of the best music AI websites out there, which is Sonna AI. And I'm going to start sharing. I don't know. Can you see the website, guys? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, we're seeing the GIMP. You're seeing the GIMP. Okay. Let me just switch the share here. That's pause, resume. How do I change it now? That's new share. That's it. Okay. Here we go. See in it now. Now you're still on your picture in GIMP. You might have to stop the share and then restart with a different share. That might be your easiest way. Okay. How do I stop share? Oh, there might be a toolbar that's floating around someplace and it would have a red stop share. Okay. Yeah, we got that. Now we need to share screen and I've got to pick that one. Okay. Yeah, I'm all new to doing Zoom. Oh, yeah. And the buttons go everywhere. That flying toolbar goes over the screen. Okay. If you can see the screen here. Can you see it? Yep. Have I shared chat GBT? I think I've shared chat GBT. Yep, we're seeing you on that one. You're on Sooner right now, but you're on the little sports. It shows the pictures up in the thumbnail. Yeah, that's okay. You can see it. Yes. Yes. Well, this is Sooner versus the library of my attempts and failed attempts at making music in here. So basically, when you come to this website, of course, you'll be asked to sign in and create a free account. Now you do get some 150 free tokens a day to use 30 mix songs. But the songs you make with the tokens you cannot use commercially. Okay. So you have to have a paid account, which is not very expensive. It's, I think, about $8 or $9 a month. If you're paying monthly, you can get it a bit cheaper if you pay a year's subscription. Yeah, paying like 10 bucks a month. Yeah. And it gets you, it gets you, I'm doing only 925 here because I had like two and a half, 3000 credits on here. But I've been busy making songs. Yeah. Oh, and can you spell out the URL form so that they know how to find it? It's S-U-N-O dot A-I. Thanks. It's Sooner. I'll post it into chat also. Yeah, any, if you just do that in a search, Sooner, PSAI, it'll find it. And yeah, it's there. Okay. What else now? Here we have our create button. So this is how you would start to make a song. And when you first come to this create, this is what you'll have. Just this little box here. And if you want to start making a song in here, you can type in something like country, Christmas. And you just click generate. And it'll generate a couple, well, actually two songs. It'll generate through two versions of the song for you to check out and have a listen to. So that's just interesting. And is it a format like the first word is a genre and the second is a subject or does it? Oh, okay. Yeah, you need the genre. And you can kind of put anything you want in there. But you could write a book on it if you wanted to. Yeah. Wow. Wow. You know, you could write in here a Christmas song about a family gathered around the fire or something like that. You know, you could write it longer there. But one thing you will find with it is it acts like a little kid. It'll do some of the stuff you ask and other stuff it won't do. Yeah. But here is where it gets really interesting in here. So that'll generate a song, but it'll be very short. It'll be one verse, one chorus. And that's it. Once you've got one that you like, then what you have to do is come over here. And you come down to this button. And I can't get up to the cameras or the zooms right off of the top of it. But we're seeing it well. So I don't think that window that's coming. Yeah. Well, this first one, it says continue from this clip. So then you would click continue from this clip and it'll open up to this. And see if I click, let me clear that. I don't want all that lyrics in there. So if I select all that and delete it, and I take out that at the minute, and I go to here, and I continue from this clip. See, it puts the clip down here. Then I can add more words here and generate another one. And once I have two that I like so I can have the first verse chorus on the first one, the next verse and chorus on the next one wants to have two that I like, then I can go here and I can go get whole song. And it'll combine the two into one song. Oh, I see. Okay. That's why it calls them clips. Yeah. Okay. But sometimes they're a little bit different. Yeah, sometimes you got it, you may take two or three goes to get the mix right and get get it the sound right. The other thing that we found as well is that before, if you just do what we just I just told you to do, it will give you a good chance that the words will just come straight in with no intro on the song. But if you put in brackets like this and put in intro above the words, and then you go down and do the you know, your verse, then you go down and put in chorus and that and generate it. You'll get a song with a good start with a bit of music at the start, you just leave the intro, just leave it empty, or you can put a few words in it if you want. But I just leave it empty and it adds a bit of music to the start of the song. And to translate for our American friends, empty means empty. Yeah, empty. Sorry, Northern Ireland accent. That's okay. Yeah, but yeah. Now, of course. Just to let you know, Joyce, since her regrets, she would have loved to have been here for this, but she's been without power in the internet since this morning. So my goodness. Wow. So here I've generated a verse and I've generated a chorus. And then I can go and bring it down and go up there and put the intro in just like that. So we have an intro verse and a chorus. And that'll give you a little bit of music at the start before they sing it if you get lucky. And so I normally do that. And then when I have one that I like, as I said, then I do from the next clip. And then what I do, well, you have two choices here. You can then just delete this stuff. And I normally tend to leave the chorus the same because it gives the song a bit of a theme. And then I generate again, and it'll give me the next it'll put in the next verse. And then you always have the option of going in there. If you don't like one of the words or something, you can change it just you want to keep the flow. You want to make sure the flow still works. Yeah. Yeah. The other option you have when you're doing this, of course, as you could take this and go to the likes of chat GBT here. And then there you could just say, please finish this song. Put it in there. I've had to enter. Should not just say at the bottom there, it had to note something. Yeah. There was an error in the response or something. Okay. I think it might have not like the quotes. No, I normally put the quotes on video. Okay. Yeah. See, I kind of do it reverse the cat. What I do is I started chat GBT. I generate a bunch of ideas and then I come up with the song and fine tune it myself. And then I start bringing it into sooner. Yeah, well, it's a section at a time till I get the thing completed. But it's kind of a crap shoot. You know, so sometimes it works great. Other times it does it, you know. Yeah. I don't know what's happened to chat GBT, but it's, you know, okay. Authentication token, it says. I wonder what that's about. I wonder if they made it so you got to pay for it now. No, not normally. No, there we go. Yeah. Usually if you use the version four, you've got to pay, but 3.5 I think was free. Okay. You got that little thing on the top left for that. It's not pasting in. So if I grab it again. Copy. There we go. It's hard to do when the thingy is. It looks like it worked that time. Yeah. There you go. And now you have the bridge, the verse, pre chorus and all that. And it's up to you how much you use of it. So you can do the first with the intro. Then you continue from that clip. You put in the next verse and chorus. And once you've got the next clip that sort of matches the first clip, then you can combine them to make a whole song. And then you can also then that counts as a clip to that whole song. Then you can continue from that and put a wee bit more on. And then you can put an outro on. But you got to build it incrementally a little. Yeah. You got to build it up incrementally. It doesn't want to give you more than I think but about a minute before it kind of creps out on you. So you got to do it a minute chunks. So you talk to like one verse and one chorus usually. And really a song I think the longest one I got was about four and a half minutes. I find that depending on the singer, especially if it's a female singer for some reason, the AI tends to sort of sound as if it's been strangled the longer the song goes on. Yeah. It doesn't want to sing so long. This isn't better. So hopefully it will improve. But yeah, it can be like that. But now how is the syntax with the way that you did it? Since you copied it from Suno and it already had the proper syntax. Does it come back over? Okay. Yeah. It's all there. Chorus, preverse. If you go the way I do the opposite, instead of chorus, it will have instead of those parens, it'll have the standard rounded parenthesis. And I have to change all that. Yeah. So sometimes it'll use like verse one, verse two, and they won't accept that. I have to have it as verse. Well, as you can see, it's come back with the square brackets and I've had no problem with it. How many verses did it do? A ton. The bridge, verse, pre-chorus, chorus. What's a pre-chorus? Who does a pre-chorus? It's on dance, dude. It's fancy. Yeah. Does it accept all those different transitions or not? I have never tried a pre-chorus, Dewey. The only one I've tried is the bridge. The bridge works. Okay. The bridge worked. Yeah. And what do you call the one at the end? Is that close or outro? Outro. Outro, okay. Like that. And it'll accept the outro, too. Yeah, because the bad thing with this is it just like it gets into the last word and it kind of clips it off. So you got to do something to kind of extend it out afterwards like doing an outro without any music. Or another one I found is outro space guitar. And that way it plays the guitar till close. But the thing with this box here is I could clear this out here and I could type in here pop, upbeat, something like that. So I want a nice pop, upbeat song. And I could, if I had my own words, if I was a writer, a songwriter and wrote my own words, I could paste my words in here, make my verses and my chorus and stuff, and paste them in and have this thing make me a song with my music or with my words, which I did for a song that I wrote called Time. I see if I can find it here in the library. So many things in here if I can find the full version of Time. And then sometimes you will go and we'll remix it afterwards. You might find something you liked from one song you did and from another. You can just take it into audio, soft software and mix the two of them together too. I think one of the bad impressions that folks get about AI music is they think it's just a rip-off. It's stealing somebody's music and it's not. It's doing the exact same thing that a professional musician does. It has things that it's been influenced by. It has models in its head and it's using that to make its own performance. This is one that I done that I actually wrote the words to, so you're getting a live preview of this. I've never played it to anyone. Oh, that wasn't the full song but where the full ones went. But then away. Then you've also got a remix button there too. So if it's close but the pausing was a little weird, you can do a remix and you might get a better version of it. But I wrote that song there. That was based on the fact that I have a friend called Edge who comes to the 381 Club and I play games with them too and many days we're talking on Discord and you know the way people say the older you get, the faster Time seems to be going. Yeah. So that's what that song's about and how Time goes fast and when you're young you're praying for the days to end so as you can get to the holidays or Christmas or your birthday or something. So that's what that is. It was a pretty song, a little lyrics. Yeah. So I sat and wrote the song and I've had it pictured as a country song in my head and I'm not a singer so I couldn't sing it or do anything with it. And this is actually giving me a way to turn it into a proper song. Wow. And it's not just singing it but it's mixing and you know applying any kind of effects and it does all that. There's a little bit of reverb in there on the vocalist. It was just wonderful. It's nice. The what do you call it? The other thing that I've seen some people do with this is generate a song, get a rhythm and the beats that they like and the feel of the song that they like and then what they do, there's an AI website where you can tick that song and upload it and actually rip it to pieces so you would be left with the guitar track, you'd be left with the drum track, you'd be left with the, then they're ticking that into their music doh. Okay. And then there may be, oh I like that little drummer of them there. They'll tick that out and turn it into an audio sample and add it to their samples library and then they'll use that to make a totally different song that they've mixed themselves in the doh. Do you use a doh? Yeah, several dohs. Okay. I'm a fruity loops user myself so I've had that license for so long it's been so easy to work with. Yeah, my favorite is a doh called Mixcraft 9 recording studio. I use that all the time. That's something I do with these songs. If at the end it doesn't beat out nicely I'll tick the, when I first started I didn't know about the outro, I'm putting the outro in and I would have the song and the song would just like cut off at the end. So I would tick the song into the doh and of course there you can do the fiat out on the song so I would add fiat. That's the acronym DAW and it means Digital Audio Workstation. Yeah, Digital Audio Workstation, that's it. You got it. Yeah, a lot of people don't know what, like an ulcer and the music and stuff, they don't know what a doh is. Right. And I can actually show you Mixcraft 9 here. I'll have to change the... I think knowing the name is fine. No, it's fine, just got it up here. There are so many of those software. Yeah, there's so many but just for those who maybe watch this and don't know what a doh is. Yeah, do you have a favorite platform Dave or Witch Whisper? Some people still make that platform. Well, just digital audio workstations. SoundCloud, I put my stuff, I'll be talking about where you post it or what. No, where you edit audio. Yeah, the DAW. I use Logic Pro myself. Logic Pro, okay, oh that's awesome. I use this cakewalk. Is that what you said, Witchie? Well, I have used it. It's not my favorite though. I've liked other ones. I just don't know their names off the top of my head. Yeah, PreSonus I think has one as well. That's pretty good. What's that free one that we got, Kat, with some of our stuff? Was that PreSonus or was it another one? No, we got this one here that I used. The MixCraft 9 recording studio. Okay. Where's my little song here? Should be in here. Did I see of it? Yeah, I did. I see a country Christmas, is that? Yeah, that was another one but it was another one, okay. Yeah, so this was another song I generated with Asuna AI that I played at the nightclubs. Maybe not playing here, what's going on? And this is a son speaker, headphones. Right, put ah. Oh, no. Yeah, I'll need it on there. You must need the virtual audio cable for streaming, for DJing. No, I asked. Oh, here we go. Is that too loud? I think that's way too loud. I think it's fine for me. Was that good? Yeah, I play it loud too. So waiting to have all AI music shows, one of these days. Oh, sure. Wow. So that's one I play at my show at the three at one club. And I remember if I played it that night in Robinson. But yeah, it's one of my, it's one of my favorites. And yeah, you did play one of your AI ones, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I have the country Christmas one as well. That was another one, a country Christmas. The thing that amazes me is the AI is able to get so much data about things in the real world. Yeah. So it's like when you tell something like you want to 80s mix, it just really knows the stuff. Yeah. And it's selected an upright bass. There you go. That's one country. That one's up on YouTube on my channel. You can see it on there or listen to it on there. Yes. So yeah, there's a lot you can do with some AI music. You can you can make quite a range of music, not just open. Yeah. And capturing certain to virtual worlds too. Can you show us a little bit of your club as well? Do you have time? Yeah, sure. You broke up a little bit there, Dave. But yeah, you were asking about her club? Yeah. I just thought it'd be kind of cool because one of the nice things with Science Space where she does her shows on Saturday and Sunday nights, 6pm Eastern time, is she has interacted inside the world. So as the music is going, the lights will pulsate and the dance floor pulsates with the music. So it's kind of cool that they have that, you know, that something I haven't seen in the other worlds. Sorry to interrupt you. I hope now that Science Space will not crash because Science Space can't be a little bit memory intensive on the PC. So hopefully I won't date. Yeah. Oh, I hope not. I was rendering video today and it just ran out of memory. Didn't tell me. It just stopped. Yeah. I don't know how heavy it is on the calls. Hopefully. Zoom is too bad on that. This is more of a lag issue than anything else that you might run into. But the other thing too is I think when you do your shows, you're actually using multiple computers. You have one for your music and one for your world. I'm just trying to get back to Science Space is stopping my Zoom screen from coming up. I can't get my Zoom up. That's okay. To do your share. Where did it go? Nice to show. Yeah. It's why I can't bring up the Zoom window again to share the thing. I can bring up the ordinary before you join the channel. And I have you up. I've lost a lot of people here. In Zoom, you might have a minimize. Yeah, I've got you up. It minimized, but it's I can have a single person up, but I can't get the flute and tool bar with the share thing. Mm-hmm. For whatever reason, I've lost it. It goes in so many different places. If you see our video, there might be four icons across the top of that little window, and there's one icon that shows a grid view. No, all I'm seeing is a little video of you with... Oh, there we go. Got it. Got it. Yep. Let's see. Share screen. Three at one, close to share. These interfaces, I tell you. There we go. Hey, there it is. Yes. And I may have to start up the other computer and stream some of my AI music because I have an Ateez radio station playing, and I don't want your video getting copyright strikes on YouTube. So I'll start up the music computer over here. But yeah. Because the one thing is, when it's playing the music, you have to actually have the sound turned up for the visual effects, right? Yeah, he did. Yeah. It works with science space. Yeah. So if you mute it, you're not going to see any effects. So normally, only I'm on a timer. There's a daily quest here to give you some in-game silver. That guy gives you a quest, which is basically just to follow the line into here. And when you get to here, you get some silver, and then you can pick that quest and go on up and get some more silver. Just to give some people some silver. Is that an in-game currency? Yeah. It's one of their currencies. They have silver and go with gold's worth real-life money, just like Linden Dollars in Second Life. Oh, I remember now. That's right. That's triggering a memory cell. Okay. But silver is basically just for people can either sell stuff for silver or they can sell it for real-life money, which is gold here. Or you can even offer it both ways if you want. That way somebody can pay you if they like your work or if they get it for free. Yeah. So you can do both in here. So this is a club I built using the difference between this and Second Life. With Second Life, you can build stuff in-world. In here, you can't really build stuff in-world. This is all built with Blender and Unity. And then using Unity, it's actually uploaded in here. So you have full control of the terrain in Unity, full control of everything in Unity, scripting everything, and then you upload it to here. So I built all this, built the lights, scripted it. And they just have really cool things on how it can interact with sound that I haven't seen in any other world. Yeah. That is one of the things Sam, which I really like about it. It's the fact that you can do that. I just have to type in a password over here. Which is, do you still use something like a shoutcast or? Yeah, I still use it. It's still shoutcast, yeah. Okay. But I use a copy of Sam's broadcaster, which is a professional broadcasting software, which then connects to shoutcast and allows you to stream. So it does. So Sam's instead of Butts, is that kind of the same thing or? Sam's Broadcaster, SAMS. Yes. Is that like Butts or? I'm sorry, Sam. No, it's different. You're breaking up badly, Joey. Oh, yeah, I'm okay. Sorry. At times, yeah. Which whisper had a comment in there, I thought. Yeah, go ahead. I was just saying that I use Butts, but I have used SAMS before as well. So I know what you're talking about. I've been just using SAMS all the way through when I DJ'd an SL, and I've had it for so long. All right, let's put on that song and that song. This is just amazing. None of this is easy. It's very complicated. And it's just, I'm so impressed as musicians can pull this technology together. Yeah. And the COVID gave us a reason to do it too, you know. Oh, true. Right. And this is how I control the streams here. Ah, okay. So she does have in-world controls, yeah. Is that region-based? Yeah, you're in a simulation. Boom. Now we can see the lights going to the music. It's lagging a little bit, but yeah. It looks a lot better when you're in-world. Oh, and I recognize the song. That's awesome. Yeah, because like, well, as I own the rights to this music, you see YouTube can't do anything. Right. That's perfect. Yeah, so all these lights, I mean, if I was to turn the music and say it's the Astone, which I need to amaze us a little bit. If I could get to it, I can't, I can't get to the, I can start to see more of the neon stuff, yeah. Also in here, you can use, whereas in the SL, you would have to simulate real light. These lights up here are, are broken at the minute, actually, in here. Why? I don't know. It could be the streaming, too, with Zoom, you never know. It could be, they were working last night at the show. Yeah, I don't know why them two are not working. I'll have to have a look at them. There might be something wrong with the server. Yeah, they're not holding the server value. They'd be casting beams of light. They should be putting multicolored dots right out around the room here. Oh, okay. This will plus should be covered in multicolored dots. Yeah, it's a real trip when you're in world normally. Yeah, okay. But this is the first time we tried to broadcast this on Zoom, too, so it might be with the stream. That'll be my guess. No, they're not doing it because of I, um, okay. Well, that's holding the value. Why am I not at least the value, but, ah, there we go. This is coming now. Ah, there we are. Now they're on, see? Okay, I don't see the lag. Not too much, though, but normally I could be a bit more, um... There you go. Starting to see. It's just the lag. You're not getting it quite to the same extent that you experience when you're getting more old. This is another song I made. Very Miami-sounding, yeah. Well, this is the one you were working on the 2D animation for, right? Yeah, we got her. Yeah, that's better. So we've got more, um, what it should be. Fun. This is a bonus. We've gone beyond the AI and we're looking at them. And then we have an AI agent in the world named Amanda. We all joke that she hasn't taken a shower in years. I don't know how you would know that in science. Well, she thought we're in the same clothing, you know. I see. Yeah, they change her clothes someday. Does she have a role? Is she, uh... Yeah, well, she's just a dancer. She's just dirty, full of lore of it. On the quest, I think. Isn't she part of one of the quests as well? Oh yeah, she's also part of the quest to give you, um, over. But another thing I can do here as well that I've made into this is I've made this here effects and I must do some more. But like here for Christmas... Oh, the snow. I think the floor will fill up with snow. To put on my coat. Make it cool. Oh, you feel like you're at home in Wisconsin, man. That's right. Oh, it's filling up. Sure. There you go. Oh, and another thing we have in here as well, whether this being through Unity, we have actually a real life one. If you look at the flags up here. Oh, I see it. Yep. We have the flags flying here. Oh, and even if I come here to these speakers and I zoom in, you might be able to see that the speaker is actually moving to the beat of the music. Oh, sure. Okay. Yeah, it looks so much cooler in the world. Oh, I believe it. Are we still on copyright free music? Yeah, this is my music. Another original one. Excellent. Yes. Yeah, these are mine. So they are. Yep, so you're copyright free while you're here. Um, there was something else. Yeah, so I have the snow here so I can stop the snow. And like for Halloween, I can bring in the, I can bring in the ghosts. You can see them floating around. And for Valentine's Day, I can bring in floating love parts. Yeah. So we've about 15 minutes left, but you know, we don't have to go to full length or we could go longer. No, we can go on. I also wanted to show you another, I'm sorry, I'll just stop sharing that. I mean, I was going to ask if Witch Whisper had any questions. Oh, here she comes. She dropped out, but she's coming back. Yeah, if she has any questions, do you? She already popped up, yeah. Oh, she's coming back. Oh, she's in the waiting room. Okay, there we go. Hey, Witch, welcome back. Hey, Witch, welcome back. Sorry. Did you have any questions? I got bumped out. Okay. I don't, actually, I do have one question. Can you, like, just do the music without the singing? Like, so that you can... You can do instrumentals. Yeah. Yes, you can. I think you always don't know more of the, have you done more of the instrumentals? I've done a bit of it. You can put, like, you can type an instrumental, so it could be first and then do space and then instrumental. Or you can tell it to write an instrumental, song, and tell it what kind of style you want. You know, probably come out. You got to test with it a little bit. If you're looking for something in particular, I can play around with it, and then I'll share back with you the prompts. So if you ever want to do them yourself, you can. But you have 150 tokens on it for free every day, and I mean, you could try just typing an instrumental. But actually, I'll go back to Sharon's sauna here, and I'll actually give it a go. Okay. All right, cool. Yeah, I was curious about how long it takes for it to render. I know Chad... Oh, it's almost instantly. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, this is pretty quick. I'd say less than a minute, and you get two songs generally, unless you're combining them, then you just get one. No, you can tell it to make a sound. Instrumental, because my spending... INSTR. INSTR. UM. UM. ENT. ENT. AL. AL. Okay. I need a T before the AL. I need a T there. So N-T-A-L. Okay. Um, instrumental, um, I don't know. And what style are you looking for? Me? Which whisper? Yeah. Yeah, well, um... It was genre, like pop, rock, whatever. How about new age? Do you know the Russian genre, funk? P-H-O-N-K? Like Lerner McKinnott or something like that. Okay. We'll try new age here and see what it comes up with. I can spare a few tokens. Well, thank you. So as you're seeing down there, you have two of them that are spinning. Yeah, here. What it's doing is it's making a set, it's making you two songs that are a little bit different. Oh, that's cool. So I want to call Serenity, the other one is Journey Through the Mist. Of course, you don't have to keep these names. And the other nice thing about this is it... When you do a song like I Don't Fire Inside, it generated me these AI graphics of a phoenix, which you can then use on the song. Done now. Wow. It's that quick. Let's see. Take over your thumbnail and you press play. So did it generate lyrics? And you can see it. It's just not putting them in? Yeah, it's not putting them in. No, it didn't. Did it? Yeah, it did on the far right. Yeah, it did, but it just doesn't put them in. And you can see at the very bottom how long it is. So it's like a 50... It's about a minute long clip, a minute and a half long clip, actually. That's not bad. But you want to listen to it all the way through because you might tell an instrumental in it like a little kid might decide to do it so thick, you know? Right. It's got its own personality. And let's see what the other one's like. Kat, Journey Through the Mist. And then you could also probably tell the things with tempo and stuff. If it's going kind of slow and you want it to be faster, you could probably tell with things. Yeah, you could put in things like upbeat there, instrumental upbeat, new age. And it'll give you a faster song. But the next two that we do could be faster. That's cool. And then you can take that and you continue it, which whispered to make it longer. You can tell it to add another verse to it and basically, and then you finalize it into a song and then maybe add another verse. You finalize it into a song. You just got to be careful. If you go too long, it starts to act a little wonky. No, I think you can go pretty long with an instrumental, Joey. You might be able to sing it. Yeah, it's the singing that can go wonky, especially if it's a female voice, I find that the guy's not so much, but the female's voice Yeah, I don't know for sure, but you might be able to do just a thought here. After you've made the instrumental, you might be able to go to another AI, possibly chat GPT or another one, and then take a URL for that song and ask it to write lyrics to it. And then it might actually write you what to sing to it. I don't know. I don't know. You do all kinds of crazy stuff these days. But yeah, so it's wild that it can generate like if we put a beat here, yeah. Or the other thing you might find, which is you might be able to go in make yourself a song you really like, and you like the lyrics and everything, but you want to have an instrumental version of it. There's probably another AI that can strip out the lyrics and just give you- No, there is. There is. That's what I was saying earlier, that there is. Yeah. So can you explain the tokens or the credits? So on a free plan, you get 150 credits per day. So every day you come here- Which is a lot to play with. Yeah. Which is to play with. But the thing is you can't use these songs for any commercial purposes, just for your own personal purposes. Okay. The minute you go to a paid plan, then you get all the rights to the music. And you can do it for- You get a commercial license, basically to do what you want with the music. And do different actions have a different cost and credits? I saw that one action there, you went from 9.15 to 9.05. Yeah, they did. And so that was like a 10 credit action. Yeah. Yeah, I think making a whole song will cost you a wee bit more than probably- See, I asked for an instrumental and they put the words in. Oh, it's got words. Quite nice though. I agree. But what you can also do is you could do remix of that song probably and then just type the word instrumental and it might give you the exact same music but with instrumental. Yeah. Just a thought. You got to try a lot of different things with this stuff to see how it works. Yeah. Yeah, play with it. But you can get some really amazing results. I mean, both myself and Joey there, he's got some pretty amazing results. And Les actually, who I thought would be here tonight, he actually has got some really amazing results too on this. I started it like I started a science-based sort of phrase with this when I found this website and started using it and putting songs up and playing them at the club. And Les, he's a DJ in there and one of the Sainspeares, he works for Sainspeares. He was like, he jumped in and now he loves this website too. He's making songs. I believe it. Yeah, I was thinking about maybe making an album at some point and doing music videos to promote it and see if it actually sells, you know. Yeah. I can imagine just getting together with friends in a room and working together on generating ideas and listening to it. Yeah. Yeah, so if you have a paid plan, then you can sell the music. Yeah, full rights. Yeah. That's cool. And since the other thing you could do too is you could have them perform and then you add some vocals to it or add some instruments to it. Yeah, if you get them on instrumental. So you can take it beyond just what the AI does as well. Yeah, of course. Right. And that's what a lot of people are doing. I was thinking of duets and things like that when you were doing them originally because of the existing voices. But yeah, that's neat. Yeah. We're at about I think five minutes left, but I wanted to know if anyone had any questions about copyrights and about how do we feel as artists about what's happening with these AI tools? Do we feel threatened? Do we feel glad to have some work relieved from our process and our goals? That is a entirely subjective question because some people are downright against it, hate it. Yeah. That's it. They're against it. Other people love it. And for an artist, I'm not a singer or a musician myself. Well, I'm trying to learn to play some instruments, but for somebody like Wichita Whisper there who is an artist, rather than seeing that this is an outright creation tool, she's seeing the potential then that she can use it to make some of the music, maybe make an instrumental and then sing on top of it. She just got kicked out again. Oh, she must be having internet problems. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, but yeah. What do you think about that topic? I think that it's, people are afraid of AI. And Schwarzenegger is one of the big reasons. Schwarzenegger and Hollywood movies have really gotten us to think that AI is going to suddenly turn to switches. Yeah, a switch is going to flip and all of a sudden AI comes to life and it kills us all. And I don't believe that's the case. I don't think humans can actually create life that way. I think what it's doing is the same as a human. I mean, a cover band can sing somebody's songs and nobody has a heartburn about it, but when AI does it, people flip out. And even if it's just singing in a style that sounds like that band, if it comes out and it sounds like Rush, but it's not Rush, but you're like, man, I really like the sound of it. I really like what they're saying. I think it gets down to that utility factor, like many other things with AI. Once we see that there's greater value with it, that's when it becomes useful for us. And that's when we accept the technology. They're supposed to back you on, son. Can I mutter it? It's not seen as mutt. So kind of like with grandma where she didn't want to touch robotics until she saw that there's a dog that would come in and clean her house for her. Once we see that there's greater utility forward, it might be some people, they see Christian music being made with AI and they love it. Next thing you know, now they're more accepting towards it. It's that touchy-feely thing of how we feel about the technology. Right, right. And the thing with music is, this is making unique, your own unique songs. And the thing with music is, most modern pop music is made with the same three chords Yeah, right. You know, it's the same combination of stuff just mixed in a different way all the time. Which Whisperer, I'm glad you're back. I'm sorry, we lost to it. Just the right minute. Yeah, welcome back. I'm sorry. Well, it's just that there's, I've been getting phone calls. And when I go to hang up the phone call, it throws me out of the Zoom eating. Okay, all right. I was curious what you thought about the copyright and the issues of, does this take away from artists or does it add to artists? Well, I've always felt that technology is always a bonus to artists personally. And it's up to artists to adapt to technology. Exactly. You know, that's what I was saying. You're already thinking, how can I take this and then make it my own? Right. And add my own flair to it? Exactly. Yeah, take it into a mixer. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like Wikipedia. You know, if we had fought that and said, no, we want to stay in the days of encyclopedias. Read in the book. Yeah. Everything's got to be in encyclopedia. It's like, well, it's a disruptive technology, but it's one that can make life better if you use it the right way. Yeah, I know some people have said like, well, what if this takes jobs away from singers and stuff? And... Oh, it will. It will. It's a definite possibility, because the AI singing sounds quite good, but, you know, at the same time, if you can adapt to it and... You can become part of it instead of fighting against it. Yeah. Yeah. Then again, at the minute, this AI, the songs that it's producing are excellent for what it is, but I still... And they sound quite good to me on... Like, I play my songs in the car. I have them on a USB stick, and I play them. But some will argue with you they're not quite up to studio production. Producers and engineers might have. Well, yeah. Detect things that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we miss. They're really bad, but it didn't pay that, you know? Yeah. But they average listener. I mean, when I play my songs mixed in with all the other pop songs and 80 songs and stuff that I play, nobody blinks at night. They're like, oh, that song's great. In the club, in the dance, it's perfect. Yeah, in the clubs, they fit in perfectly. So I'm quite happy with that. The other thing that was getting away sort of from the music, but not really, I like that website that I showed you earlier, and I'm going to show it again here. That does the text. Ideogram, okay. I-D-E-O-G-R-A-M, okay. Yeah, Ideogram. Yeah, this site is so handy because you can put text on the things. And, you know, you can do text. I don't know. Can I see my, what do you call it? The ones I generated, they were there. Like a library or? Yeah, my library. One of the vacations. They should be on there somewhere. But this is the- Yeah, text has always been a shortcoming of the AI. But it's all kind of gibberish things in a lot of cases. Beautiful pictures, though. Yeah. And the other thing, too, is if you have something like Photoshop, a lot of the AI's nowadays have things where you can come over the top of one. Oh, that's not mine. And just highlight the error you want to fix and tell it what you want to fix or whatever and just it'll clean it up for you. But yeah, with the right prompts in here, you know, you can get things like this or like this mass and developers on our- Now logo and logo mark. Logos. You know, this is- And again, it's not stealing this from anybody. It's just amazing me how advanced technology is becoming, really. Yeah, exactly. So what I do with this is I use this to generate images for my music. Oh, that's great. Yeah, I use this to make- Like, if I was going to sell an MP3, I can use this to make a cover for the song. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, it does just do some amazing stuff. So we're at about an hour and I just- I want to make sure. Do you think we've covered all the topics that you were hoping to cover today? I think pretty much. I mean, the music we've talked about. The biggest thing is just get in there and play with it and look for other AIs as well that might be complimentary because sometimes you get kind of an unusual thing when you combine AIs so that you're working with more than one at the same time. So I was using- I was using GP- Chat GPT? GPT chat in Discord. Okay. Yeah. But now it's not working anymore and I don't know why. You can just go to Chat GPT on the Internet. I just go here. I just go to chat. I just go to chatgbopenai.com and that's where I use Chat GPT there. Yeah. If you just search for Chat GPT in a browser, it'll take you to that and you can log in with your email address. One thing that I forgot to show you guys as well. If I can find it here, just give me a second. That's got me a little- Oh, and speaking of Discord, there is also a Discord server for SuNo. But- Yeah, that's what I was just going to show them, Joey. They run a SuNo version. They run a Discord version of SuNo, which isn't quite as good as the web-based one. No, but what you can do, if you're doing shows and you want something like I- with me, DJing, there it is. I'll probably have to- I advertise shows in Discord, but I don't actually use Discord during my shows. Okay. Oh, no, not to use it during your shows, but to- Well, we used it too on shows. It's like a back channel too. It's pretty good for that. So you want to talk to people while things are playing. For a DJ, that works real good. Yeah. But this is where SuNo AI- and Discord gets interesting because you have the stuff to do the music. But you also have this one, which is called Bark. And in here, you can- you can do, like, if I want something like- I don't know, I need Bark. Oh, that looks pretty interesting. Yeah. Welcome to the- Actually, it's better if I type three. I'll spell it out again. Okay. One. You know, if I do that and then I can go here and- Tell it what kind of voice now. Pick a voice here. Oh, that's sweet. I like that. Or I can do random voice. And then I can- It'll take us a second or two. But, you know, when it finishes, it's not- Now, one thing too, when you're seeing these servers in Discord, you can actually create your own server, and there's generally a code that you can take so you can- There's generally a code that you can take so you don't have to look through a thousand messages to find yours. That's one thing that I do too. And that one, you're kind of like doing in private. Or you can also go here. I don't know if you know this, Joey. You can go here and you can look in here and under mentions and it'll give you all the stuff that comes up. Okay. Oh, no, sorry. There, for you, like, send trans request. I don't know why it has been sending you a friend request. We've been a friend for a long time. No, it's weird. Anyway, did it generate this? Yeah, this is a wee bit slower than the website, but- Yeah, if you guys want to send me on Discord, I'm just witchwhisper. Okay. Okay. That's cool. I'll have to write that down. Yeah, I've watched your videos on the other one. What is the one that everybody's using now? On YouTube, you mean? No, the other one. The one that does a short little videos that are trending all the time. Oh, TikTok? TikTok, yeah. I see her stuff on TikTok all the time. Are you witchwhisper? Yeah. Yeah, W-Y-T-C-H-W-H-I-S-P-E-R. Yeah, I'm just writing it down here. Yeah. And then I'll get you and- Yeah, I wonder if we're ready to wrap up here. Okay. Rudy. Yeah. And we can stop the recording. We can certainly stay in the Zoom and continue our conversation. But this feels like a good break-in for me. Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, it's taken at a while to generate that. It appears tonight. There seems to be a lot of people on it generating stuff. Right. Well, thank you so much, Catherine. This has been- No. This has just been amazing. I really enjoy it. Yeah, it's such a fascinating thing. And you can just do so much with that. So now AI, I've tried a lot. I have tried a lot of different music generators. And most of them can only do your instrumentals. And even then, they don't do them the way that does it. It's incredible. Yeah, it really is. Well, I've made my own instrumentals using online DAW. DAWs before. Yeah. But this AI stuff is really neat. Yeah. And when I'm on tracks, it's selecting instruments sometimes is the hardest part for me. And so the fact that this selects instrumentation and arrangement, amazing. If you want to break your song down a nod to it, as I said, take it to the website. There is a website out there where you can take it. Put the song in and break it down into the individual instruments and the singers and remove the vocals. Download them as individuals, tick them into a DAW. And then you can, the likes of which whisperer there that can sing, then could tick it down, tick the vocals off and just sing over the top of it. Sing with it. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, it's brilliant. Put your own words in. Well, thanks again, Catherine. I'm going to stop our recording now. And then we'll pick up from there. So thanks, everybody, for watching. Yeah. Thank you. Bye-bye.