 Well, it's Jason Howell. Hello. I like your finger reveal. Yeah. You know, I came up with that. We got to build that as like a legit transition. You should patent that. Yeah. A method for providing a finger reveal. Stranger things have happened, Tom. Yeah, I sure have. Oh, right. Good to have you. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for the invite. Did you, uh, did you want to be in the chat room? Oh, uh, I can do that for sure. Let's see here. Well, I forgot some. Yeah. What is the, uh, IRC dot chat realm dot net. Okay. Let me see here. If you go into the chat room, Zoe brings bacon. We'll give you bacon and coffee. Oops. Yeah. They're internet relay bacon and coffee, but they're still delicious. If it's a bacon, I'm in. If my bacon is a bacon, where's my coffee? IRC dot chat realm dot net. Yeah. There's no E at the end of realm. Yeah. It's not realm. No, I might not be able to get in. My ex chat is being strange. Oh, you can do it on the web too. Let's see. Let's try this. Make it a double double. I held off getting in and out yesterday because my sister's coming into town tomorrow and she always wants to get in and out when she comes in town. You knew you were going to be doing it anyways. I have, yeah, I've been having a hard time with in and out lately for somebody. Really? What do you mean a hard time? I don't know. It's just kind of been grossed me out. The burgers. Yeah. And it's, it's me. It's not them. It's me. Uh, Santa Rosa one. No, there's one, there's one here in Petaluma. Um, I, it was one of those situations where a few years ago, I actually, I happened to get sick at the same time that I had eaten in and out. Like, and you know, like if you, if you drink tequila and then you throw up a tequila, you don't ever want tequila for a really long time. I think that's kind of what's happened. It's kind of a bummer because I've always really loved in and out. It's a good band. Yeah. I just have a hard time eating it now. Well, there's your, there's a life lesson, everyone. Yep. Take it from me. Don't get sick while eating. Never get sick. Never. Uh, okay. I think I am joined. But what is the room? It's chat hashtag chat. There you are. I see you at work. Let's get this party started. Shall we? Here we go. Quality content thrives for the support of those who benefit from its creation. If you gain value from the Daily Tech News show, consider joining others like me who provide support, learn how to help at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, July 25th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. My old buddy, Jason Howell. We go way back to the buzz out loud days, the tech news today days. He hosts the all about Android show and tech news today. How's it going, buddy? Uh, it's going great. I'm sorry. I was head banging to your intro music. Every time I hear it, it just makes me want to like thrash and get in the pit and stuff. And you know music. So, I mean, I know that I enjoy listening to music. Yeah. Occasionally making it occasionally head banging and thrashing to it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, man, we're going to talk about a new terminal in the Singapore airport that is using some biometrics. So you'll never have to talk to another person. You don't want to. Uh, I'm not sure I'm signing up for that, to be honest. Well, we'll find out as wonderful as it sounds to me from checking to boarding without having to speak unless I want to. There are some concerns, but let's start with a few tech things you should know. Google's new feature called SOS alerts will display authoritative local information, emergency hotlines, notifications for users close to affected areas during a crisis, whether it's a natural disaster or something else maps will show cards with helpful info and reflect road closures and traffic congestion. Google is partnering with crisis agencies like the Red Cross and FEMA in the United States to make this happen. Um, just, you know, like Facebook has been doing this. Google has a couple of other efforts like it, just trying to help people keep in touch in times of need. Yeah. I mean, Facebook has, what is it, a safety check and that, that goes a little bit further than this particular thing of like connecting people during time of crisis. But Google actually has, like you're saying, a portfolio of tools around this have got public alerts. They've got crisis response, which I think both of those are kind of maps layers, uh, more than anything, but also person finder, which is maybe more kind of more in the same direction as safety checks. So, I mean, the more the merrier, Google's in the right place to provide really important information around this stuff. After reports that Microsoft Paint had been listed as deprecated in the next update to Windows 10, Microsoft's Megan Saunders posted that paint will remain available in the Windows store as a standalone download. Now everybody's, so yesterday it was paints dead. And on the show, I was like, paints not dead. It's just deprecated. Means they're not going to update it anymore today. Paint is, has been saved. Paint hasn't been saved. They're still not going to update it anymore. And frankly, if you already have paint and you update Windows 10, it's not going away. Right. If you were putting a fresh install, you wouldn't get paint and you could go to the Windows store and get it. But kind of a smart move on Microsoft's part, I guess. Well, how could you get rid of such a storied piece of history anyways? Um, although at the same time, now I can get back to never using it anymore. Like I don't know the last time I ever used it, but I was still saddened when I, when I saw those headlines and said it might be going away. It is a part of history. You know, it's part of my heart. And it still is a part of history. They're not going to be updating it. Just, I don't know. Microsoft might raise that history. You never know what happens if they decide to get rid of MS Paint. While paint gets a little bit of attention, uh, Adobe announced it will stop updating and distributing the flash player. Really? Tomorrow, today, next year at the end of 2020. Okay. We still have three more years of it. Microsoft, Google, Mozilla and Apple all are in various stages of reducing support for flash in their various browsers and all say they, that they are on board for the 2020 end date and they'll all stop supporting it in 2020 as well. Most of the browsers don't support it directly by default. Anyway, you have to click to approve it and stuff like that. Yeah, 25 years in existence. Do you think, uh, do you think when all said and done the dust settles flash be open source so that like all that history, speaking of web history, uh, continues to live on? Or do we just cut the cord and move on entirely? I mean, there are been open source alternatives to flash all along. So it would be, it would have, it would take Adobe on 20 in 2020 saying, here you go. It's open source. No, I think Adobe is really just like, please stop using it. Let's move on here. Let's just, let's just end it now. Uh, Colin Engel, CEO of iRobot, they're the makers of the Roomba robotic vacuum cleaner told Reuters that his company wants to sell mapping data created by Roomba's to third parties like Amazon, Google and Apple starting in 2015, Roomba began using a camera and some other sensors to make a map of its surroundings before it just kind of went on an algorithm. Now it actually maps so it knows where it left off when it goes back to recharge itself and come back, all of that sort of thing. Uh, the data could be very helpful. Let's say you have other smart home devices that map could help them understand the layout and maybe provide better positioning for themselves or understanding of, of what's going on in the house. Also companies could market these devices to you better if they're like, oh, well, you have this size of a house, you only need this many of this or this is the kind of thing that would work. iRobot said it would not sell any map data. It won't even store your Roomba map data without your permission, but that didn't stop people from freaking out anyway. Yeah, I know, right? Well, the opt in sort of aspect puts the control in the hands of the people who are actually going to have this, then, you know, iRobot's big, big job is convincing people convincing their users of the benefits of actually using it. And even just hearing what we've heard about this, I have a hard time, I still kind of have a hard time understanding exactly how that ends up being beneficial and like an IoT setup in the house. But, uh, hey, I guess it's on iRobot to convince us why. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, the one thing that immediately popped to my mind was those mesh network routers, right? So the eros of the world or the Google home, uh, the Google Wi-Fi where it could say, oh, we have, we know a map of, we have a map from Roomba that you shared with us. So we recommend putting your devices here, here and here for the best. Yeah, right? It's not bad, baby. Yeah. Uh, Motorola announced a new 5.5 inch Z to force addition of its Z phones or Z phones, depending on where you are, uh, comes with dual rear cameras, two 12 megapixel sensors, one monochrome, one color, uh, Snapdragon 835 chipset, four gigs of RAM, 64 gigs of storage and a 2730 milliamp hour battery, which is actually a little smaller than the Z to touch. Uh, it still has the shadow resistant display. I'm sorry, the Z to play. So as a shadow resistant display, that's the big thing with the force addition comes to AT&T Sprint, T-Mobile U.S. Cellular and Verizon starting August 10th. Last time around, the force was only available on Verizon cost between $730 and $810, depending on which carrier you get it from. And like all the Z to models, the force can wield Jedi powers. No, actually, uh, the force can use Moto mods and they even announced a new mod, uh, 360 degree camera mod goes on sale August 10th as well for 300 bucks. It has 150 degree wide viewing angle and shoots in 4k. Okay. I want to see the video coming from that 360 degree camera. I saw some video coming from the essential one, which is a lot smaller, by the way. And this, in this regard, the attachment is like a full like phone body size case with the 360 degree camera mounted on top. So it's definitely a larger snap on thing, but the video I saw from the essential 360 camera left a lot to be desired is like, yeah, you can, but it doesn't look very well. So I'm curious to see how it will look on this. Well, the Z to force edition also has another advantage over the essential phone in that it has a shipping date. I know, right? We actually know that it exists and that it will come out sometime soon. Yeah, I, you know, this is this whole Z Z Moto mod universe is, is intriguing to me. It's not intriguing to me enough to drop 800 bucks on it necessarily. I'd like the prices to come down on this stuff, especially when, you know, you can get a Galaxy S 8 on sale for a little cheaper than this. But, but those mods, I mean, I was a handspring visor user way back in the day. So the idea of popping mods in the top of your device is kind of always intrigued me, never works out as well in practice, though. Yeah, totally. And it seems like Motorola and I think essential has plans to do this too, as far as they're, they're treating their, their kind of modular aspect. They're really trying to go in the direction that a lot of these things will go from device to device to device. Maybe that makes it an improvement, but I think it really remains to be seen, whether consumers are super into the modular aspect or whether it's just kind of like a cute little addition. And Moto Z 2, I mean, we didn't mention it. The Z 2 Force edition comes with Android 7.1 Nougat and it will promise us to bring you Android O as soon as it comes out, which we just got a beta of Android O. So release candidate. I'm waiting for the release date of that. Yeah, I think end of summer is what we're kind of seeing at this point. This was the last version, probably sometime in the next month or two. We're going to see it. Android Oreo, right? I tend to side with something along the orange realm. I actually wouldn't be surprised. I've been placing placing my bets specifically on just orange, but a lot of people think I'm wrong. So we'll see what happens. Orange slices. Yeah. I have a feeling they're in deep negotiations with Nabisco right now. And that's what I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. U.S. Representative Greg Walden, leader of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, has invited CEOs of technology companies to testify on September 7th regarding net neutrality, because nobody's tired of talking about net neutrality at this point. But it's we'll see if he gets all these people. Invitees include Larry Page, CEO of Alphabet, AKA Google, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, AT&T CEO Randall Stevenson, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts and the leaders of Amazon, Netflix Charter and Verizon. So Bezos got an invite as well. In a letter to the CEOs, Walden wrote that this is, quote, an opportunity to rethink the current regulatory model and build new rules from the ground up. And, you know, there's already Democrats saying, yeah, but the problem is, and that has been the problem all along, is that every time one party is in power, the other party doesn't want to talk because they don't like what the other party is going to push for. But in our history of net neutrality episode last week, I made the point that this swinging back and forth of changing the rules every time another party is in power is causing way more instability than either side accusations of the other side's rules actually are. And we need, we need this legislation from the ground up. Yeah, I completely agree. I'm cautiously optimistic right now that could that the support on the congressional level is going to result in something that makes everybody happy. Probably not going to happen at the end of the day, but like you said, it's been a total ping-pong match at this point. It's all over the map. And really, I think we just, we need something solidified so that, you know, companies, people understand what they're getting when they go online. And it's happened. Both, both companies like Facebook and Google and companies like AT&T and Comcast have started to get tired of this back and forth as well. For sure. And I think that's why, I mean, God bless Greg Walden, you know, God speed, I hope you can actually get productive debate started. But, you know, we'll see. But this is how you would do it. You get both sides to sit down and go, here are the things we agree on. Let's start there. Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, cautiously optimistic. I hope so. The Hindustan Times reports India's transport minister, Nitin Gadkari, said, we won't allow driverless cars in India. I'm very clear on this. In a country where you have an employment, you can't have a technology that ends up taking people's jobs. He did admit that years down the line, they might not be able to ignore it. But Mr. Gadkari said right now, India needs to recruit 22,000 commercial drivers and open 100 training facilities. He doesn't, he's not the last word on this. There is an opposite party in India and there is legislation to legalize autonomous cars testing on roads in India in Congress there. But it is an unusual position because one of the few things that both parties seem to agree on in the United States is that, yes, we should proceed with autonomous car testing. Yeah. And I, you know, I had never really kind of thought about this aspect, though. Autonomous car testing in the U.S. versus autonomous car testing in a country like India where, you know, I've never been to India. But when I look at the road conditions and like the massive amounts of unpredictable traffic patterns, I mean, they seem to do OK operating in that chaos, but I would be a complete fish out of water. I can't imagine how easy or how difficult that's going to be for them to create systems that support all of that, that that chaos, that seeming chaos. Yeah. And granted, in some respects, you could say this of many countries. But if an autonomous car can figure out how to drive in that traffic, can figure out how to drive anywhere. Right. So yeah, it thinks it'd be the best possible place to test autonomous cars in some respects, doesn't have the winters there in most places. There's a few places that do. So you could you could get that part of it, too. I think Mr. Goodcari probably doesn't lose anything by making this statement. He is appealing to a segment of the population that fears losing their jobs. And drivers are a large portion of the workforce out there, that there's no disputing that. So there is a real threat of reduction of that workforce, whether those people can be transitioned into new jobs that are created as a result of this is always the big question. That's what I would like to see politicians talking about is, Hey, you know what? Autonomous cars are going to provide lots of benefits. They're going to make it easier for everyone to get around. Let's make sure they're affordable that people can access them. And let's make sure that people who don't find new jobs because they've lost them to this have a transition plan. That's what I want to hear people talking about. Yeah, absolutely. And I suppose in the meantime, this whole challenge around the infrastructure kind of, you know, appeases the well is helpful for preventing the unemployment threat, at least for now. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in just about five minutes, subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. It's the quick, easy way to stay up to date on everything we talk about on the show. It's available as a podcast, as an Amazon Echo Flash Briefing and in the Anchor app, which you can download in the App Store, A-N-C-H-O-R, or find it all at DailyTech Headlines.com. And that is a look at our top stories. Okay, folks, new terminal opening this year at Singapore's Changi Airport will make it possible for passengers to check in and board flights without talking to anybody. The airport will use facial recognition. At least that's what the Reuters says. I think it's iris scanning, but it might be facial recognition. Anyway, Reuters says facial recognition at check-in, backdrop, immigration and boarding in terminal T4. That's the brand new terminal. Singapore, oddly, given our last story, does not have enough labor to fill jobs. So the automation is necessary there. They want to have a 20% reduction in manpower. They want to increase capacity. They think that this new terminal is going to be able to increase capacity by 16 million. So if you're flying AirAsia group airlines or Cathay Pacific, Cebu Pacific, Korean Air, Spring Airlines or Vietnam Airlines, they will all be located in this terminal. And theoretically, you're going to be able to just walk in. And if you've, you know, opted into the system and given them your credentials previously, just go to a kiosk, scan, check in, even board. Crazy, huh? Yeah, that's that's really nuts. So the T4, which is the new terminal that's going to be implementing this, I guess apparently it was built at least on a partial level to be a place to test new technologies, new concepts like this. So that was the intention all along was to try try things like this that just seems so out there. And like you, like you kind of mentioned as we were kind of preparing for the show, the security implications. Like when you think, when I think airport and I think security, I don't think self service is what it boils down to. And I have to imagine that there's a lot of ways, at least in my tin foil hat wearing sort of side of my brain, a lot of ways that that could be manipulated. Yeah, well, and it's becoming a trend. We had the story a while back of Delta Airlines testing fingerprint as your boarding pass in Arlington, Virginia are actually in National Airport, Reagan National Airport, which is on the Virginia side of DC. But there, if you're a member of clear, which you have to pay to be a member of, you can use your fingerprint that's stored with clear to board the Delta plane. So you don't have to show a pass still probably have to say hi to a person. There's going to be a person they're watching. But but that's how you're able to board. And they want to roll that out to more airports. There's also six major league baseball teams partnering with clear on a free version of their service. So you don't have to pay to be a clear member for the airport stuff. But if you go and register with clear, you can then skip the line at the ballpark to get in. So you don't have to wait in that big long security line to get into the ballpark to see your team play. But again, it's using fingerprints and there's a company called Tassent and Los Gatos. That's been testing Iris recognition in airports in London and Dubai. That's why I kind of think because they they also did the Passport office in Singapore. And I kind of think maybe they're doing the Iris recognition in Terminal T4 there. But but anyway, we're getting a trend here, especially in airports of biometrics being used. And I want to walk this line very carefully because I don't think it scares me. But what scares me is that the past practices of companies have not been to properly secure things. And if my fingerprint gets compromised, I can't get a new finger. Yeah, I mean, I guess I have 10 of them. But my Iris only got two of so got 10 backup passwords right here. And once you're done, then you got to go to your toes. And that's just gonna be it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, fingerprint is as like a general purpose currency definitely makes me feel a bit uneasy. I know people have been kind of softened to the idea of fingerprint is biometric for access, because we have it on our phone. But it's a little bit different because we've got control of our phone, we're not just going to a public place and doing that. And like you say, suddenly, our fingerprint becomes part of this database, which, mind you, our fingerprints are already part of a database somewhere. But in trusting that in the hands of just a general, you know, a company that, hey, I happen to be flying your airlines. So here, I'll use my fingerprint for access. That just opens it up to a whole other sea of, you know, a possible hacks, leaks, whatever the case may be. And what I've seen in the last couple of years, as far as this information getting out there, it doesn't make me very, very optimistic as far as that's concerned that I would want to do that with the trade off of convenience, you know, that added convenience. I don't know if it's enough. Yeah, you remember when Apple came out with Touch ID, they went to great lengths to show how they secured your information so that even they didn't have it. And the only way to spoof Touch ID was to recreate your fingerprint, right? And with anything, there's always going to be an issue of that, right? You'll always be able to recreate something. And yeah, man, I mean, somebody is able to recreate your finger and then go around with a little, you know, fake finger on. That creates a whole other situation. That's least likely, unless scared of that, that's hard to pull off. It's kind of something you can watch for. And most of us are not going to be the targets of that. But the database, if it's not properly secured, if the password, if the digital information that's storing your fingerprint isn't scrambled enough that someone can reconstruct fingerprints, I mean, then that's an issue. Do you think the general, like the general public cares that much about that, though? Like we've we've proven time and time again that we are willing to put up with a lot if what we get is convenience, you know, on the other end. Do people, I mean, is there a line that's drawn with something like biometrics or people just don't care? We've already been softened so much to it that it doesn't matter. Most security decisions, most security assessments by people are not rational, right? They don't trust perfectly secure systems on the internet because they've heard the internet's insecure and they can't see how it works, right? Like I'm putting in a password of where does it go? You know, it's hard for people to understand if they don't study it like we do if they don't live with it all the time. Whereas fingerprint, while I understand that I am the only one with my fingerprint. I've known that since I was a kid and look, I put my finger down and it says, yes, it's me. Obviously, that's very secure. I think that's the way most people think about it. Yeah. Yeah. I know, at least on a personal security level, one thing that I've been wanting more and more of are kind of combined biometrics on it on a device like, OK, fingerprint is great. Yeah. And OK, sure, you can do iris scanning. But what's really, really secure is if you do fingerprint and iris scanning at the same time. So like I would I would be interested in that. But then at the same time, when you compare it to these stories, like on a personal level, that might work. But then you go here where the stakes are so incredibly high when you're talking about these these public spaces and just the inherent security risks around these companies and everything like that. I don't know that that just gives them more data points. And it's hard not to put that tinfoil hat on and wonder what happens to that data. Yeah, I want to know the privacy policy. I want to definitely know the security policy. And I wouldn't mind a second factor like maybe there's a passcode because remember, yeah, iris and thumbprint together is stronger, but it's still two things you have. And good two factor authentication is something you know, something you have, you know, they're different. And so maybe maybe a passphrase or something like that. But anyway, I think this is an emerging trend. Now that we're starting to see it. So it's something to pay attention to. Yeah, and as these services are put up more and more to consumers to take the edge off of things that we want to do AKA fly or go to the stadium or see these see these, you know, teams play mixed with the things that we don't want to do, wait in line, be miserable or whatever. I mean, we're just we're probably going to end up seeing more and more of this because companies are going to realize people are willing to hand it over. They're willing to do it around convenience. I would I would I mentioned the story that I lean my wife this morning. We were both like, that sounds amazing. That's like sign me up. Yeah, I don't know if I'm not easily swayed on this one. Thanks everybody participates in our subreddit, you can submit stories and vote on them and find out all kinds of cool information about what's going on in the world of technology, cool links that Scotty Rowland has been putting in there to other parts of the Daily Tech News Show experience. And it's all a Daily Tech News Show dot Reddit dot com. And we also have a Facebook group. So check us out on Facebook dot com slash Daily Tech News Show messages of the day. Our first one comes from Thor. His name is more I'm sorry. I've got a neighbor whose name is Thor. Thor is is a name. It's a name with authority. It is you can't spell authority without Thor. Exactly. Hello from cloudy with a chance of rain and not too hot point to CERN. I just listened episode 3079 like watching paint die and I wanted to share that I recently implanted a chip in my hand. I got it in late March. So not that long ago. I went to Sweden with two friends. We all live in Norway and after a seven hour drive we got the implant. It's an n tag 216 with 556 bites of storage. And I can add anything I could with a regular NFC tag. V card web link Wi-Fi password Bluetooth pairing etc. I don't think there's a large risk of anyone tracking me with it since it's hard enough to have it read when I'm intentionally trying to do to the size of the antenna and the capsule. It's hard to read on most phones I've tested. So when trying to share my contact info with new people I've been memorizing the sweet spots of the NFC reader for most popular phones. Also iPhones have the hardware but won't read NFC tags. That's a rant for another day. So short of having strong NFC readers all over the place so I bumped my hand into them. I don't think that it's a good tracker. The Bluetooth on my phone and Xiaomi Mi Band are though. But I do like it as an authentication factor since NFC tech is a bit easier to get your hands on than biometric readers especially for Arduino. Unfortunately my dorm room door lock doesn't support n tag 21x. So I can't unlock my door with it. Regards Thor Christian dual citizen American Norwegian living in Tonsburg Norway currently working shifts at CERN in Switzerland and a shout out to any other DTNS listeners working at CERN this summer. Wow just looking at that picture of that chip and planted in the hand just gives me the ebgs. I just I don't know if I can go there. I don't know if I can do the chip in your hand route. I know that you talked about the story yesterday about the the company who's kind of allowing their employees and Brian Veronica's on board. She's ready for this. I know. Yes. No. I'm not surprised about that at all. I just can't I can't see myself going there anytime soon. My kids they might be willing to do this. Me. I just don't think I could do it. We also got an email from Oleg who's a post doc researcher was listening yesterday's discussion about he leaks the DNA testing company and had two thoughts. First I would be very skeptical about direct consumer DNA testing at this point of development. Yes we can read the DNA pretty accurately and he leaks uses newer next gen sequencing technology. But the problem lies with the interpretation of the A's, T G's and C's the DNA words and some cases the same combination of ATG C's can lead to the exact opposite conclusions provided to the patient or customer. One of the reasons this is happening is faulty study design small sample size lack of diversity etc. Even when the science behind the information is sound it's usually given in a form of probability and humans are ill equipped to deal with nuances of uncertainty. There's an article in the Atlantic that articulates these points very well and he gave us a link that we'll have in the show notes. I'd like to offer an alternative explanation of genotyping versus exome sequencing versus whole genome sequencing as well. So yesterday I did this light metaphor that Veronica found lacking. Here's Oleg's version of this. So I'm explaining to you Jason the difference between genotyping which is what 23andMe does exome sequencing which is what he leaks does and whole genome sequencing which is like what the human genome project where like sequence everything. All right. Ready see this. I think I'm ready imagine a multicolor striped rope that is two feet long. Got it. Got it. If we look for a stripe pattern only between two feet and two and a half I'm sorry two inches and two and a half inches away from the left end because we know that a stripe pattern in this small region is important. That's genotyping. Got it. We know where to look. We just want to see what the pattern is in that place. If we look for a striped pattern of every other five inches of the rope that would be exome sequencing. Exome is a collection of exons regions of DNA known to make proteins. So you're just like OK we're going to look in a multiple places. And if we look for a striped pattern along the whole length of the rope that's whole genome sequencing. Cool. I feel like I'm a professional now a professional. That's you see genome. This is a good. This is a good. This is a very good analogy Oleg. Thank you very much. Last several years we have learned that the sequences between the exons are not as junky as we previously thought they play a structural role regulate the activity of the genes and perform numerous other functions a lot of which are still poorly understood. So this is all good information. And I like that Oleg's not saying Helix is bad. He's like Helix is fine. But you're probably not. Your understanding of what they can give you is probably a little fuzzy. And that's the problem is we're not educated enough as consumers to really be able to understand what's being offered. I know I'm not. Yeah. I mean that's a thing right. They could be like a study said but that doesn't mean what you think it means. Finally Frank from Denmark is on holiday but still wrote in thank you Frank. I remember hearing on the show that some countries had a plan to make it mandatory for electric cars to emit a sound when driving at low speeds. I feel like we talked about this on buzz out loud. No yes. I mean this this dates back a long time. I know that we talked about this either on buzz out loud or early days at TNT. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway Frank went to Florence Italy today and while walking in the streets he says I heard a beep beep beep like a truck backing up. It was an electric car a taxi actually or at least a hybrid. I saw or heard more of these and I don't really know how I feel about that sound as it confuses my brain a bit just an in the field report. I also think it's worth mentioning that this week Humble Bundle has a cyber security e-book bundle 14 e-books for around 15 bucks. There are books about social engineering ethical hacking malware analysis and much much more. Thank you Frank. Nice. Yeah. That would throw me off too. If I heard you know a vehicle driving down the road. Well if I didn't see the vehicle and I heard the beeps I would think that I was about to get like rear-ended by somebody. You know or somebody right into me. Yeah. Like that is a little strange but you know maybe that's the low rent version of making people know that you're driving down the road. I don't know that's very strange. Yeah. Well thanks to everybody for listening and sending in these great emails. We love hearing from you guys. You're the best audience in the world and thank you Jason Howell for joining us. Oh it's my pleasure. Yeah. No this is a lot of fun. I love I love doing shows with you Tom. Of course. Twitter TV slash TNT. Twitter TV slash what AAA for all about androids. Yep. Yep. Twitter TV slash AA for all about Android TNT for tech news today and yeah those are the shows I'm doing here right now ever once a while on my new screen savers and we have a lot of fun with that as well. Anything else to tell people about. No I'm working on I actually I probably will have I'm a musician in my off time in my very off time and I'm hoping by the end of the summer I'm going to have something to announce around a new yellow gold album. I did a I did a Kickstarter on that four years ago around ever one. It was pretty successful and I had a lot of fun with it. I've got I'm probably going to end up doing that again. I'm in the starting phases of figuring out how I'm going to distribute it but stay tuned because I will definitely have more information in the next month or two. Awesome. 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We're live Monday through Friday for 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 UTC at alpha geek radio dot com and Diamond Club dot TV. Our website is dailytechnewshow.com. We'll be back tomorrow with Scott Johnson. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Scene. Good stuff, man. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. That was a blast. That was. That was really good. We're going to pick a title now, but I know you got to go. So yeah, there was. Oh, you guys are. You're on it with titles. I love it. You guys just have so many of these great titles flash by and so I'm assuming the the exclamation point S is like title options that end up in a dock. Is that right? Yeah, if you go to showbot.tv, they're all listed there. Well, that's awesome. What a cool system. MS Paint is dead. Long live MS Paint. We had a paint title yesterday, though. Yeah, sending out an SOS to the world. Self-serve security was one that I saw. Depreciating deprecation. Deprecation is history. Yeah, right. Let's try. Enjoyed. Here's the SOS for paint. May the 7 7 2 Z 2 force be with you. Recreate your finger. Self-service in the air. Recreate your finger is pretty good. Yeah, me, myself and fly. Oh, that's not bad. I like that one actually. Now that I think about it. Singapore T Terminal four for the anti social. The anti social wing. Self service in the air. DIY fly or DIY fly. That one's good. I like that. Yeah, why? Yeah, I lie. Excuse me. Yeah, I fly. Oh, that's good. Yeah, that works. I'm good with that. Roger, do you have any thoughts? I'm good with that. Yeah, I like that. All right. I'm going to put a space. The I and then F.L. Why? See if it works. Yeah, sometimes when you write it down, you see it differently than you hear it. Well, all right, now I know you got to go, but yeah, I would love to hang out for the post show, but I got to I got to get frozen on on TNT. But thank you so much for the offer and thank you, Roger, for for setting this all up and everything. It's great talking to you guys. Thanks. Thanks to everybody for watching. Have me. I love it. Say hi to Megan for me. I will. I will take care of you guys. I talk to you soon. Bye. W. Scott is one. Notice that Roger is using a different mic. Yes, I am using a different mic. Clap, clap, clap. Thank you, Jason. D.I. Fly. Do do. So yeah, apparently a bunch of you guys did go fill out the survey yesterday and we appreciate that. That's Marker Deemer said that, you know, it got a nice little boost of people. So if you didn't get a chance, go fill it out at. Let me make sure I say it right. D.C. TV dot link slash 2017 Android or Lester. We're in 100 so far. That's great. Oh, Ethan Kane, I just saw your request. Give me one moment, please. Oh, there we go. I am out. Go for it. Oh, for post. I finally had a number one. Says poodle puncher. Oh, that punching of poodles. He's the number one puncher of poodles. I'm just saying. Hey, in the links in the chat room right now from W. Scott is one. Love to see everybody pulling together. Is that what you were singing? Cause that's in my head now. Roger. No, I was just humming. Was that why you were humming? No. Sorry. I don't know. That's fine. I don't know what you were humming. That's why I like this is how for them. This is only what I was humming. I was humming the Star Wars thing. What were you humming? Yeah, I wasn't humming that. I was humming something. I'm in. Done. Thank you, Ethan Kane. It should weird me out that I'm calling you Ethan Kane. But it doesn't. I don't know why. Tomorrow. That's why I like this is how for them. This is only what I was humming. I was, I was humming the Star Wars thing. What were you humming? Yeah, I wasn't humming that. I was humming something. Just humming. Done. Thank you, Ethan Kane. Tomorrow is Scottis Johnson. No. W. Scottis. John. Did you get that pace pin link? Yes, I did. Okay. W. Scottis one. Hey, June. 26. Right. Yeah. Dark Redeemer says it weirds us all out. Oh, where's Bayesha been lately? Good, good question. We have it magic. I should probably have acknowledged that more than once. He's off on holiday because he's European and they take vacations there. So, yeah, he's, he's gone pretty much all of July. He'll be back in August. So we should get him back pretty soon. And I'm actually out Thursday and Friday. Probably should mention, I'll mention that on tomorrow's show, but Justin Robert Young hosting on Thursday and Jen Cutter and Roger Chang hosting on Friday. Who's, who's on with Justin tomorrow? Paul Spain. Oh, right. Paul Spain from New Zealand. Awesome. I sent, I sent him a reminder or I sent Paul Spain a reminder. I hope he, I hope it's not too early in the morning for him. Yeah, I told him. Is it, is it in the early morning or is it like super late? It depends. I think it's early morning for them. Strike it rich one wants to know what percentage of people watch live very, very tiny percentage. Actually watch live. Yeah. And now we're live. Oh, yeah. New Jellis says, don't, don't the Frenchies take August off, but that's our Patrick Beja. You know, he just, he's an iconoclast. Yeah. He's like, he's against the grain. It is 9 0 9 a.m. in Christchurch right now. So it's a crazy early. That's not crazy. He's just had to wake up and you know, I was thinking of Australia because it's 7 O 9 in Sydney. It's because it's three hour difference, right? Yeah. Yeah. How's your winter going down there? throws of winter. Yeah, man, in my days off, I'm going to a place where it's 115 degrees. So that is not winter. The glutton for punishment, Tom. It's free sauna. Walk outside. So you're gonna, you're gonna be read either way. So babe, generously in some block. Your volume is way low right now. I don't know if you changed something or just leaned farther back. I just leaned back. Okay. So if I keep talking That's the only problem. Like with the headset, it stays with you, right? So you get even volume with that mic. You got to, you got to be on it. Well, let me just attach this to the headset. So I have it right. Oh, that won't be awkward. Yeah. It'll be like a variation on the dog cone. Just watch that on Friday. Make sure you're, you're at the upper end because you tend to set your level good and then be lower because you're not because you set your level. I do this too, where you set your level leaned in and then you relax and do the show. Well, yeah, but ideally, I won't be using this. Oh, you're just gonna use your headset. Yeah, you're right. You're only using that because this is all backup. Yep. This is the backup plan. That that mic stand is just not very high either. This is just a one. Yeah, I don't think it adjusts. I think it's just that's the height that it is. Well, I can't find anything. Hold on. Let me grab books. Actually, no books here. They're still in tubs. No one has anything to put things on. Sessions. What happens when you go to a post paper office? You don't have stacks of printer paper. Paperless office. Ethan Kane, asked in the chat room, Roger C. Is it an ATR two or ATR 2100? No, it's a sure. PG-48. PG-48. He's right. He bought it. He would know. Well, I didn't buy it recently, as you can tell by the big dent in it. Oh, all mics, all good, all good mics have a dent in it. Usually when you clubbed someone, you would discreetly. Yeah, at a debate. Well, why not a mod mic? Asks undermined in the chat room. Oh, what is a mod mic? It's a mic that wears really skinny ties and drives a Vespa. One of those we use. I've seen those. There's a. I generally don't like headset mics, but the best one I've used are the country. What country makes is that country? Countryman said it. The countryman headsets. They're they're they're the little thin ones. Is that one? Those are the best. That's countryman. Man, those things are uncomfortable, though. Because I count uncomfortably expensive. That's actually I have a lot of mic around somewhere like. Oh, yeah, that'd be fancy. But I don't I when I moved, I don't know where I went. So it's going to be in eight different locations. And honestly, I have a lot of two. That's what I use for the tech or public videos. But I use I have I have actually no. We rented a countryman mics for our CNET booths at CES. And they work really well. You're not wrong, but man, are they uncomfortable. Because so this is the reason why you like you can put them really close to the mouth and they won't distort, but they're really good at blocking everything adjacent to it. Yeah, as a really that's true pattern on it. And they and they have good sound. That's the mic that I interviewed Drew Carey with. Ooh, name drop. Is that is that even a name to drop anymore? I can drop yours as well, Tom. But I won't. I can't remember if we had it. I don't think we had him on buzz out loud. I think it was just a CNET panel. It's weird after shooting a bunch of interviews with like celebrities and semi important people. Unless they're really like famous, like a political leader. It doesn't really phase me like it doesn't like I'm not dismissive. I just doesn't catch my attention. For example, when I was helping Annalisa Savage, where was it? It was it was with one of our old colleagues and I was helping them manage all their data for this shoot. And they had they were interviewing Al Gore. And I was like, oh, that's Al Gore. It's like someone cool, but no. I mean, it's kind of weird because I did. I had to shoot an interview 50 cent, which is the weirdest thing I had to do because I had exactly one hour, including the interview. So I had to get everything set up really quick. I had to look around and say, what can I do? What can I do? But he turned out to be great. He was a really nice guy. You were kidding about dropping names. You got your dropping names all over the place. And then oh, and then I do. But it was when I worked at the IFC for that one, Comic-Con in San Diego, Comic-Con 2007. The booth was hosting Henry Rollins. And so I got a picture with him and I had him sign a glossy for Patrick and Sarah before they had Seamus. Nice. Well, general. It's time for us to go. Thanks, everybody, for watching. We will be back tomorrow. Programming note after tomorrow. I will not be here until next Monday, but we will have shows. Don't worry. Yes, it'd be nice.