 Father, you've assembled a beautiful collection of prayers in your book on deliverance prayers for the lady, very popular Catholic circles. What is the best way to pray for people, our siblings, adult children who have left the faith, maybe joined a Protestant church? And additionally with that, what is it that keeps people from returning to the church that have fallen away? Is our actual demons involved in that process? Yeah, actually, I think they are but not. I don't think demons are under every rock. Sometimes people are just wed to their sin. They just like sin, and they don't want to come into the church because they have to change. But I tell people there's a positive and a negative to people's conversion. And this is even true, like even if they're on their deathbed and they don't want to see a priest like as in you see with parents and children dealing with that with their parents, etc. Or that the kids have left the faith and they don't want to come back or what have you. I tell them there's a positive. The positive side is they actually have to have grace. They actually actually have to have grace in order to convert because the conversion is a conversion to a supernatural deposit of faith and a supernatural life. And so they have to have grace in order to do that. So you have to keep praying for that. On the other hand, demons because they have access to our emotions and our imagination that can actually influence people's reactions to the grace. Even if God gives them grace, they can inspire fear like, oh, well, you know, if you become Catholic, well, then, you know, you're going to lose your friends or you're going to have to stop this particular behavior in your life or you're not going to be able to get this or that or what have you. So they can use our emotions against us and also our perceptions. And so I tell people saying the binding prayer or just saying prayers to keep demons out of these people's lives to block them. So in the binding prayer, I just tell people to bind any demon that is keeping them from converting and do it on a regular basis. So you can use that particular prayer or other prayers, consecrating them to our lady on a consistent basis, plus as well as saying the positive stuff. And that's what I've seen as the most effective way to convert. In fact, I have a relative whose husband was a man of natural virtue. Everybody in the family really liked this guy, but he was a Protestant. And it seemed like he was stubborn. But in the end, so at one point I just said to my sister, here, say this binding prayer against any demon that's keeping him from coming into the church. She started saying it within 10 months he was in the church, even though she'd been praying for 20 years. So the point being is this gives you an indicator that if we can get the demons out of life, people will generally speak and follow, hopefully not absolutely, but they'll follow the way of grace. And so that's why we do both. Josh has a convert. What is your take on that? Oh, I wouldn't presume to speak on demonology when Father Rickerson in the room. So I don't have additional opinions. But Father, is that prayer because I actually have some family members who are going through some tough things right now. Is that is that binding prayer in the book? I think I have that book. Yeah, it's deliverance prayers for the lady. Yeah, it's in that book. Okay, great. Yeah. And on the bottom of his footnote, if this doesn't work, pop him on the head with a bat. Yeah, there's Plan B. Steve, do you have Protestants in your life who would take umbrage with the idea that there are demons keeping them in their faith of choice? Oh, yeah. What is it? 98% of the guys I used to talk to, don't talk to me anymore. I mean, I'm in the south and we're surrounded by proddies. Yes, man. I have enough time to go through all that stuff. I mean, my brother's post then texted me up. What's wrong with your brother? He's so arrogant about saying the church is the one true church and all that. I go in. So I remember that was my first apologetic was telling the guys, you're an SEC, you know, soccer like Gamecock then, right? Is the SEC the best football college football conference in the union? He goes, yeah, yeah. Is that arrogant or truth? And I, eight years later, I still don't have that response, but yeah, you know, for everything from morals to whatever you change, you start living that way. You figure out who your friends were real quick. Yeah. So yeah, most of those got most of my friends I grew up with. Yeah, we barely talking. I got one left. He's a Lutheran. And I don't know why he still talks to me because I will bash him up out the head with things like, you know, I wish it was baptism, his kid's baptism and whatever the cleric was. What's your name? What's the name? Bryce. That's a good Lutheran timeout outside of Martin Luther. What's a good Lutheran name? And things like that. And just tell them, you know, we have over here and I don't know what's holding them back. Maybe it's just countless years of being in the world, being surrounded by other friends, seeing what happened with me with our friends, just being basically pushed aside and ostracized in a sense. But I don't know, just, yeah, they're ton around me. I think they would, if I told them they had a demon in them, they would, I don't know what I don't know what the reaction would be from them. But trust me, I do the same thing with the would father recommend. And as Father Mateo says, there's a price for the price needs to be paid. So those do penance for them. Josh, you were going to mention something by Dr. Paul. Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. I thought Steve was was done. Paul Thickpin, I believe wrote, I'm forgetting the name of the book at the moment, but he has an example of an exorcist. I think it was in Poland. They were meeting with a Calvinist who was seemingly possessed. And I'm honestly forgetting the details, but somehow the demon responded well to a copy of Calvin's institutes. And that was an indication to the exorcist that there was possession. So wow, I'm forgetting the details. But yeah, I was, yeah. I mean, that's what so I mean, I definitely, I honestly, I don't recommend telling Protestants they have a demon in them, because I don't I don't know that. And I, and I, unless I get an indication otherwise, I'll assume goodwill. But, but, you know, I think many Protestants, if you approach them with an acknowledgement of their genuine concerns, which are to be faithful to Scripture and whatnot, that's a great way to start asking some basic questions about, well, where does Scripture come from? And, and Jesus said the Holy Spirit would be with the apostles till he came back. And so, you know, how does that work? And the Holy Spirit would guide the church and all truth. How does that work? And so that would be the approach that I would recommend.