 Hey, hey, how are you? Good. Good. So please introduce yourself. Yeah, so I'm Ryan Sternlicht. I Am here at display week 2023 Yeah, and it's been a pretty fun conference so far and you just did a video together. Hi. Yeah, who are you? Hi? I'm Brad. I'm known as satellites Bradley on YouTube and Twitter and junk and just got liked by Elon Musk is today on Twitter Yeah, he liked my tweet and there was a bunch of bots forming that tweet, but it was a pretty cool Tweet from the display week. Yeah. Yeah, so let's let's let's go stand up here. We had the press room right now. Yeah, and Right down there is a exhibition Yeah, yeah, we get to look over all the people you like the master of the display world right now What what are your highlights? Oh, man. Well, my favorite thing was definitely the 1.3 inch 4k by almost 4k micro Olan at the OE Amazing I mean, I I've been doing VR stuff for seven years But that was like the closest in the best the best of the best the best when you were looking through that You knew in that moment you are experiencing pure future like I Always in like very picky. I'm always looking for the screen door effect and like the aliasing and I couldn't It was kind of perfect. Yeah, it was and it's the view the viewing the what's called angle what you call it the Field of view. It's pretty good. Pretty wide. Yeah for me I Really liked the BOE stuff as well But also over in the eye zone in the back which eye zone is always my favorite place to check out first Because that's where a lot of the hidden gems end up before they become big is a Really really large field of view pancake optic Platform Which uses four panels and you remember the company? Hyper vision. Yeah, they they're really cool as that the first time I've tried a four panel VR headset prototype since Panasonic's and at CES 2017 and this is massively better this has Because this is using pancake optics instead of Fresnel lenses. It's a much better Look for the colors better. There's much less fringing Almost no god rays and they were actually able to blend between the angles to a level I Kind of didn't think was possible For quite a while. They there's still a ever-so-slight Issue and that might be actually more the panels then the actual lenses simply But that as well as the laser Backlight Which is really cool if You if I could build that set using stuff on the floor right now, it would be get the laser backlights Put that behind BOE's 4k by 4k field sequential LCD which runs at 480 Hertz and then put that platform in the High field of view set up because that would be 8k per eye Field of view at 270 by about 90 It would be HDR as all heck And pretty eye brightness Though I am guessing the pancake optics would still get it down to probably around a thousand nits if it has a 10% transmission rate How high do we need to get to to imitate real life in VR? Well, you know, they say that people like, you know You go outside and the Sun is reflecting off the sunlight Looking at that sidewalk is like 10,000 nits to your eye already. So 10,000 nits. Yeah Looking at the Sun directly is like Orders of magnitude which is just the JPD booth Okay. Yeah, some of these micro displays talking about millions of nits. Yeah, right Yeah, they're so like Over at plain nitride who do quantum dot micro LED And micro led displays Their current AR one that's a hundred fifty thousand nits like they I you actually Don't look at it directly Normally with a camera they put a filter that blocks around 90% of its light Otherwise you have the sensor I'd have to buy another one or or it's more that The video it in real time without that you have to change your ISO on and frame rate on a Phone or camera so far because when you move away, everything else is pitch black but that's what you need for The brightness to come through once you put it through optics and put it near eye, but what's the resolution of the real life? Yeah, people usually say like 60 pixels per degree is where you're like actually feeling real There's so many factors like we're you know, we're getting excited about resolution for that but there's still like he was saying earlier Color, HDR color, especially, you know AR's got a lot of problems too. Like we were talking about what was the nits of that micro led? 150,000 yeah, and it's like they have a Headset and still they're like yeah if we if you shine a light on the other side of this this gone you like Yeah, it's hard. They I know plain I tried had an AR one There's a the people who do the laser backlight that's 10,000 nits, but Currently they know they're working on higher, but they have an AR one and the problem with lasers usually is it's collimated so it's That when you project it on most displays causes an issue a speckle They actually there are a few tricks though, and they actually have a really good implementation of Getting rid of the speckle. They actually have a demo a switchable demo showing Before they run their stuff and after I can't remember if it's software or hardware I think it might actually be both but Getting rid of speckle solves this you with using a collimated backlight And since it's going through optics and not directly in your eye you get rid of some of the other dangers as well because once it's reflected or goes through optics it will be not as collimated as it was I've Tried direct in eye projection, and I was I cried within three seconds of looking Gorgeous, I'd like to cry it's been a long time So how about some other highlights? So what do you think about the light fields? so I Like feels are neat. I'm more of like a VR guy like I feel like I can replicate a lot of the Light well, I have to be careful. I say because so there's a company here called cereal who does like actual light fields in VR They've been more pivoting toward AR stuff, which you know, it's it's okay This company yeah, yeah, but they did have a VR demo as well where they can actually tweak the light field I know small FOV to Solve stuff like myopia hyperopia Estigmatism and also give you virgins accommodation Conflict where if you look at things up close they can kind of tweak the light field to be able to like see your hand close and blur the background and give you different levels of death, which is a whole And that's a whole other problem. We don't have for XR like we have all these little cues that we don't have for real life That we kind of need all these things together and You know even talking about the brightness thing is people always are like well at 150,000 nits You're gonna get blinded. Well once they put that in a wave guy That's like less than 1% of all that light is just gonna be Disappeared and if you want to like move your head around you probably want to have a low-duty cycle So 10% of that 1% is like actually reaching your eyes. It's Ridiculous of all the steps that we're going but You know, so have you seen the new apple Have you put it on your YouTube yet? No, I mean, I think it's gonna be a big deal and stuff Oh, I think it will be absolutely like I people like I talked to always feel like that, you know I mean both of us have been in this industry for a while, but people feel like Up until now it's gonna be the before Apple time and the after Apple time Always wait for Apple. I don't know why it's because there's so much Amazing innovation. There's no need to wait for Apple to do stuff or I they wait until it's Ready to agree like same with ready to make money with yeah pretty much But also that it's scalable see the problem with a lot of this stuff on the floor here is you're still looking at 3 plus years before scalability the papers they talk about here That's 10 15 years like I I do a lot of research more where I need to read through a lot of papers on this stuff and The stuff in like 10 15 years is going to be widely different, but it's also getting a lot faster like the Porotech who make a direct emission Display that each LED can change its wavelength, so you don't need sub pixels They had a they were in the isone last year They had a booth that was about Two foot by four foot table this year. They have a lake 40 by 60 foot booth and they've scaled up from probably I think 20 people to probably a thousand people or something I it's absurd they've scaled up in one year what About three or four years ago. Would it take in probably a decade? This in terms of what people thought the scaling timeline was and that's because Everyone's trying to get in on all these new texts that this is the first year where I'd say probably half Or more of the booths have something XR focused That they are pushing hard like I've been to display week 2017 20 21 and 20 22 and this is the first year XR feels like it's going to Really be something a lot of them are pushing for in the future. I mean, there's still a lot of like phone screens laptops not as many TVs actually as Usual but because everybody's bought a TV. They don't want to buy any one. I'm joking How about Google that there's so Microsoft tried to do some HoloLens kind of things and Google page Facebook changed their name to VR and What's happening? Well, it's Google gonna because I'm so disappointed with Google that they had They had this awesome device after 10 years ago. Yeah, right that Google Glass and just because one Blogger in the Silicon Valley wrote that their glass holds They decided to quit the whole project. What is that? You know, I honestly like even Google Glass in my opinion It was ahead of its time but also too ahead of its time and like like the processing wasn't there to do anything interest like even today the processing you need to do Interesting immersive stuff and like a small pair of glasses. You don't see anything We literally we're just trying out a headset that called the meta to And that is like large FOV and everything it's got like a lot of like hand tracking and stuff But it has to plug to a PC even 2016 and you're not gonna see Something that good even for like probably five ten years maybe at that. So yeah for running on a mobile chip Yeah, like I I was a Google Glass beta tester and I Remember that era quite well I I brought it to display week and to a lot of conferences and the thing I found most useful about it was actually Recording POV content, but the problem is the chip in that thing overheated a lot I almost got second-degree burns because the Computer is called the Google Glass tattoo. Yeah. Yeah, the because the computer is right behind your Right on the side for Google Glass and it's right against your head, but that Was Yeah, but it The thing is is it had a few demos that people always loved that was things like The Skywatch program which used all their technology die tracker so we could see exactly which star you were looking at so it would use Know what direction you're looking then your eye would focus on something in its display It would select that star then it would use the bone conducting audio to tell you info about that star And it worked really well that device also at the best Like audio pickup I've ever used I think there's some some people doing interviews there Maybe you want to just say so you're gonna publish on your YouTube. Oh, yeah From here. Yeah, absolutely already published one video. I'll a few more actually mostly about the stuff that both of us said We have very similar favorites on the show because they're pretty wild. So, um, yeah, sadly, it's right Yeah, what are you going to do from here? Yeah, so I'm currently Working on a headset on my own Independently, I'm still that's why I usually come back here to check on how hardware is doing and then I Also write and work for a magazine called mindplex Where a subsidiary under singularity net, which is a AGI company That does a lot of different stuff They are going to be launching a lot of stuff in the next year or two that I think people will be very interested in But yeah, check out Yeah, yeah Yep, and Yep, cool. Thanks a lot. Thanks. Nice to meet you. See you Thanks very much to ZXS to be one of my sponsors here at the display week 2023 ZXS is based in Shenzhen and I will be doing a video very soon with them Featuring their transparent displays all led LCD lightbox adds machine. So thanks a lot. I did video with them Nearly 10 years ago when they were doing tablets and now they do these cool devices Thanks a lot for watching Check them out