 When you got the chance to get into that coaching field, you played with Underpop, but then to make that transition to join the coaching staff, what was that like for you and how did the relationship even grow even further? Yeah, he deserves all the credit. He saw something in me. He wanted me to play another year. And if I didn't play another year, he wanted me to join him in some capacity with the Spurs. And a special individual, still to this day, I lean on him for understanding, for knowledge. And that kind of sabbatical year for me, that I was done playing. I wanted to make sure that I was done playing. I wanted to give all my knowledge to whatever person needed it. And Pop let me basically share his office. I was able to see his routine on a game day, on a shoot-around day, in playoffs. Extremely gracious to me and allow me complete access. And then my love as a coach continued to grow. And Orlando Magic, they make that phone call that you're going to be their head coach of a rebuilding group. Was there ever a time where is that this is really happening? And did you think that would happen so quickly? My mind wasn't wrapped around if or when it was going to happen. I really did approach it as I'm going to do the best I can every single day as an assistant coach. And then so happened the opportunity came upon. And I thought it was a great chance for me to dive in, see what happens, test myself, the next phase of my life, quick turnaround as being an assistant coach in Spursland for a long time. But I relished the challenge that Orlando had to offer. What was the biggest lesson you learned during those years with the Magic? Lot of lessons along the way. I think it really reinforced the relationship piece, which are players, how you had to evolve as a coach, and really suit what today's player looks like. I think the biggest part for me is the understanding of being vulnerable as a human being. I was young trying to prove to everyone that I deserved that job, that I deserved to be a head coach, that I was up for the challenge and the task. But there's so much more to it, not what your out-of-balance play looks like, what your offense looks like, how does it compare to the other head coaches in the league? But how do you get the locker room to play for you, to play with you? How do you get those guys to respond three times a week when they're tired and frustrated? How do you have conversations with the first guy, the 15th guy? Those are the things that I'm probably better at now, but wouldn't be better at if I hadn't gone through the Orlando experience. When the Brooklyn Nets call you to come join their coaching staff, to be the top assistant under Kenny Atkinson, a team where you spent years and you're playing at, what stood out about the job and about this organization that made you want to come here? Yes, it was great. I had a previous relationship with Sean at the time, and so I got a chance to meet Kenny. He and I were under the same roof with Coach Budd that he knew that I coached with and who coached me at Spurs. So the relationship was, again, two blocks long a little bit, and for me to have the chance to be the lead assistant at that time, and we were trying to reset here as well and had a young group, and so I had learned from Orlando and I thought that I could add some value of what that looks like to be an assistant, because I knew as a head coach what I wanted my assistants to be for me. So it was a great opportunity for me to now lean in to helping Kenny at that time and grow the organization. You had to go through the bubble in Orlando. So much was going on throughout the country with COVID, with the Black Lives Matter movement and social justice, and then you have to walk into that down in Orlando. For you emotionally, can you take me back to kind of how you navigated that and how you were able to mentally get through that time? Yeah, first of all, I'll ever be connected with the group in the bubble. We have such a strong relationship that we can tell stories. We can talk about that time in our lives. We can always reflect back on that. And that's a positive piece, and we were able to talk about different circumstances and different situations and really share with each other our true feelings, how we felt at that time have open dialogue. I think there was some growth amongst a lot of individuals. And then we were able to lean into playing basketball in a contained environment and get through that and really have joy for one another. And the relationships from that, I'll forever remember. You were without a lot of your core players, your stars of that team. What did it mean to kind of see you guys rally and make it into the playoffs? Yeah, we had like a little mantra of carrying our bamboo around at that time because we wanted to be flexible and adaptable. We weren't gonna complain. We were just gonna accept the situation and keep watering our plan and move it on. And that water, we had some growth from individuals as a team, I think as an organization. The product we put out on the floor, hopefully people were able to wrap their heads around that we were given our best. And that team was fun to coach. When the Brooklyn Nets made the decision to hire Steve Nash as head coach, there were a lot of reports and people thought that you're gonna get opportunity elsewhere because of everything that you were able to do with the organization. What made you want to stay with this team? Yeah, it was a little commitment. You kind of rewind and say, you know, why I stayed at the University of Kansas because I wanted to finish something and why would I stay with the Brooklyn Nets? I wanted to finish something. We've always had the goal of winning the championship. That was what was preached from Sean when I came as assistant coach the first year. I wanted to continue and hopefully add value to the organization, to the relationships that I had within the organization. So my mind was wrapped around, can this group, can I help and aid in trying to bring a championship to the organization?