 Good morning everyone. Welcome to today's class. Today we are going to start off with Apostolic Ministry. I would like to request one of us to please lead in prayer and then we will get into learning more about this subject. So, who would like to pray today? Yes, Defina, please go ahead. We thank you for this day and we thank you for the class we are going to have. God, we pray that as we are entering into this new subject, you help us to open our heart and mind and listen to the deep truths of the Bible that Apostle is teaching us. Be with us and reveal the things that you want us to notice. Let your revelation fill us with everything that we've learned here. Be a blessing to others and us. That's your name being glorified. I pray for all my classmates who are here and who are about to come. Help us to have a good life and connection throughout the session so that without any distraction, we can keep getting deeper into it. Be with us and guide us in Jesus' name. Thank you. Thank you, Defina. So, the subject that we are delving into is Apostolic ministry. We have just covered prophetic ministry. Now, these two terms are familiar because we understand the 5-fold ministry offices that have been given by Christ as a gift to the church. So, individuals come into those offices but then these ministries, we've seen particularly prophetic ministry that it's not limited just to a prophet. But we can have a prophetic ministry at all levels, believers prophesying, people in the prophetic ministry, the grace gift and then ultimately you have the office of a prophet. Now, apostolic ministry is very similar. We will see the functions, how the functions are slightly different from the prophetic ministry. But then we will learn as we go through this course that yes, there are apostles but the ministry as such is open at different levels to believers as well. So, very similar to the prophetic ministry. So, what are some of the topics that we are going to cover here? We just have an introduction about what apostolic ministry is and why we should talk about it today. Then we will look at apostolic ministry in the New Testament, the rise of apostles. We will understand how apostles are really prepared and launched by God to do the work that he wants them to do. We will also go ahead and try to understand the function and characteristic of the present day apostolic ministry. How does it look in our current scenario and situation? Because obviously the 1st century church was a certain way but then now so much has changed. So, how is it that apostolic ministry can impact the world? And then we will talk more about apostolic ministry and its impact on city, nation, so on and so forth. And as we discussed in the prophetic ministry, some practical aspects of the ministry that one must understand and one must take into account. We looked at some concerns also of the prophetic ministry. Similarly, the apostolic ministry, what could be some of the concerns we will look into that. So, let's start off now from chapter 1 here in our notes. Here we have an end listing of the moves of God, the restorative moves of the Holy Spirit, which I'm sure you have studied in church history and missions. Now, we know that God has a way of strengthening his body, his body of believers and restoring his work in a powerful way in his body. So, as we look at the church, the 1st century church was definitely very powerful, no doubts about it. But things turned around somewhere towards, you know, up to 400 BC, we know that the earth, oh sorry, 402,400 AD. That's the timeline. The church became a feeble entity. There is something known as the Dark Ages in church history where the church, the kind of power that it demonstrated during the 1st century was not there anymore. So, there were many reasons why this actually happened. But overall, the power of God was not the way it should be. And so, whenever we see the church going into a place of weakness, we know that God does something. God moves upon his church and he restores the strength of his church. So, the moves of God as they have been recorded in history are listed out in the 1500s. We know that there was the Protestant movement. The main theme of the Protestant movement is salvation by grace through faith. Let me just quickly pause here. Have you all already done this in some other course? Have you done Church history, the moves of God, the restoration of church? Yes, we did in the past. Yes? I think we did in that history and restoration. Okay, so you've done it in detail. All right. Thank you for letting me know. Yes, brother, success. You want to say something? Yeah, I didn't get your question very well. Okay, what I'm asking is, in the history of the church, right, the global church, there are moves of restoration that have taken place over the years. Okay, yes, that is true. Yeah, so this has been covered in many courses. I'm just checking whether you've already gone through this or not, your batch. Yes. You have. Okay. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the clarity. So I'll just go over it in a quick way. So now that I know that you are already aware of this, there have been all these moves of God. So the 1500s was the Protestant movement, 1600s, the Puritan movement, 1700s, the Holiness movement, so on and so forth, right? So the 1900s, 1800s, the healing movement, 1900s, the Pentecostal movement. So the Pentecostal movement is that place from where the baptism in the Holy Spirit became so important to the church. Not that it wasn't happening, but the importance of the baptism in the Holy Spirit flowing in the gifts of the Spirit became so prominent through the moves of God. All of us would recall revivals such as the Azusa street revival, the Welsh revival. Around this time, early 1900s is when it took place. So God is continuously restoring truth and the work of his spirit in his church. So in the 2000s, the emphasis seems to have moved to the restoration of the five-fold ministries, the five-fold ministries. And also the restoration of the five-fold ministry gifts such as the evangelists, the apostle, the pastor, the teacher, the prophet. So earlier, they were still functional, but the body of Christ has now started understanding the value that God places on these ministries. So as you would agree with me, there is more that is being spoken of regarding the prophetic ministry, not just in one church, but across the globe. You have people discussing, you know, hey, prophecy, prophets, this is how the gift flows and so many details of the prophetic ministry. Similarly, apostolic, apostolic gift, apostolic ministry, apostles, there is some kind of an understanding that is coming to the body of Christ. So how is this happening? It's happening because it's like a move of God that is coming through and God is granting this revelation to establish the church. I remember as a college student, whenever I used to go for meetings and things like that, they would term, in those days, they would term the time that we live in as, or the move, the move of God as something like the move of the saints, okay, where God is equipping ordinary believers in the church. But how is he equipping them as Ephesians chapter 4, verses 11 and 12 teachers? God equips the body through the 5-fold ministry offices. So he puts these people in their positions so that the saints movement, as many have termed the age that we live in right now, where it's not so much about only a pastor or only a prophet, you know, somebody who is called at that capacity and they are the ones who are leading the church. So the focus is not just on them but what's happening around the world is people are being equipped, ordinary believers or you want to call them saints, they are being equipped. How are they being equipped? God is restoring the position of the apostle, the position of the prophet, the position of the teacher, the position of the prophet, the position of the evangelist. So as God is doing that, the body is being equipped. Let's quickly read Ephesians chapter 4, verses 11 and 12. So I would appreciate it if somebody here can quickly turn to that. Ephesians 4 verses 11 and 12, that becomes our key passage to understand the ministry gifts. Ephesians chapter 4, verses 11 to 12. Now these are the gifts, Christ came to the church, the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers. Their responsibility is to equip God's people to do His work and bind up the church, the body of Christ. Yes, thank you, Jafina. So as we can notice there, it's so clear. What is the responsibility of the 5-fold ministry offices? Their responsibility is to equip the saints. I'm looking at the amplified version of the Bible here. I think somebody's mic needs to be muted. Okay, so here amplified version verse 12, it says, and He did this to fully equip and perfect the saints or in the brackets it says God's people for works of service to build up the body of Christ in the bracket, the church. So this is God's plan. And He's building the body which is you and me through the gifts that He has given the church who are the 5-fold ministry offices. And you know, we have talked about the prophet in the past class, but now we are going to discuss about the apostle and see how is it that the apostle really strengthens God's work and God's. Now, who is the ultimate teacher? Who do you think is the ultimate teacher as far as the Bible is concerned? Holy Spirit. Okay, Holy Spirit, God, right? Yes, Divya? Jesus. Okay, fine. So we go back to the Godhead that ultimately, yes, it's Jesus who taught with authority. When he came into the picture, he came into the scene. It was a different dynamic. And even the Pharisees looked at him and said, wow, you know, so much clarity, so much authority. Who is this person? So Jesus is the ultimate teacher. And now we know that Jesus is in heaven. The Holy Spirit continues guiding us, leading us, prompting us, reminding us of the words of Jesus. Now, in the same manner, if we consider, who is the ultimate, you could say, pastor? The Bible does say the chief shepherd will appear. Okay, so the chief shepherd is Jesus. He's the ultimate pastor. So when we look at the five-fold ministry offices, even if you want to take something else, you know, evangelists or a prophet, we know that Jesus functioned in all these offices. Okay, and when we read about the life of Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of Jesus, the Bible says he had the spirit without measure. And one of the ways in which that is interpreted is, it is said that Jesus falls in all five offices. Okay, so that's why the spirit without measure is something that is used for him. Because ultimately, by the Holy Spirit, he was anointed for all these offices. So, then Jesus is an apostle also. Where in the Bible does it say that he's an apostle? Hebrews chapter 3 and verse 1. If somebody is there, could you please turn to Hebrews chapter 3 and verse 1? Hebrews chapter 3 and verse 1. And so, dear brothers and sisters, who belong to God and our partners with those called together, think carefully about this Jesus, whom we declare to be God's messenger and high priest. Thank you, Jeffina. I'll just quickly read for us the amplified version here. It says, therefore, holy brothers and sisters who share in the heavenly calling, thoughtfully and attentively consider the apostle and high priest whom we confessed as ours when we accepted him as saviour, namely Jesus. So, who is it talking about? It's talking about Jesus. How is it introducing this verse? How is it introducing the Lord Jesus as apostle and as high priest? So, the Bible is quite clear that Jesus is an apostle. When we say he's an apostle, what does it really mean? So, when we look at that word, apostle, the meaning of that word is a representative. A representative with, you could say, authority. You send a representative with authority to get some work done. That person is what we understand as an apostle. So, if you go and do the Greek and look at the exact meaning of the word apostle, it is sent one or a delegate, sent one or a delegate. So, that Greek word apostolos, if you break it up, apos or apo would mean from and stolos is isent. So, somebody is sent from or by somebody and that is the actual understanding of apostle means somebody is sent forth to do something with authority, a representative of another with authority of course and this term, why is the word apostle used in the New Testament? Well, if you go back to history, you would notice that during the New Testament times, this word apostle was a secular term. It was not really a church term. It was a secular term. It was used by the Greeks and the Romans to describe special on voice. That was sent on assignment to new regions. So, you can look at it this way. The empires would conquer places and then they would send their apostles into those regions. Now, the responsibility of the apostles was to establish the rule and reign of that kingdom. So, let's say there's a Greek king and he has taken over a particular region. So, he will send his apostles and what will they do there? There will be the old culture of that place, the old culture, the old system, the old ways of thinking, the old ways of doing stuff. But this person, his responsibility is change all the old ways and now that this territory belongs to that Greek king, he will make sure that it looks like a replica of the Greek towns and the Greek cities where the systems are the same as the actual Greek cities. So, I hope you're understanding what I'm trying to say. Is that okay? Does that make sense? Okay, that's great. So, that's how we understand an apostle. An apostle is a person in those days who would go to a new region established kingdom values which they carry on that new place and make it a part of the kingdom. So, that is an apostle. So, their responsibility was a subdue, instruct, you may say, even convert in the sense a transformation of the old ways. Maybe old government systems, some cultural practices. So, they will change it to their own systems, maybe even religious practices they would impose during those times. They would also try to train the people on the systems of their own land and finally establish their rule and reign such that the subjects of that region are now followers of your original empire. And in that manner, we know, we talk about world history. So many nations have done this, right? Like they've gone and conquered weaker nations and established their own culture over there. Maybe not completely, but to a large extent. So, that is the understanding of what apostolic means. So, an apostle is a delegate or a representative who goes to establish the culture of the kingdom that he or she comes from. And the Lord Jesus, when we call him the ultimate apostle, why is he called the apostle? Because he was sent by the Father, you see, as a representative or a delegate sent by the Father. And we know that he, he, he became the express image of God. So, best representation of God ever. And that's what the Bible says. And he did a fantastic job. And that's how when we talk about the apostolic today, we understand establishing kingdom culture should happen through that apostolic anointing and through that apostolic ministry. So, I just want to share with us. We are not talking about, you know, overthrowing any national or regional culture. It's not at all about those matters. It's more about kingdom culture. I'm sure if you've done that course on kingdom builders in your second year, you know about kingdom culture. It's far supersedes the regular earthly systems that we are talking about. We're talking more about values. We're talking about worship. We're talking about, you know, spiritual matters in mainly those spiritual matters. So that is what we are talking about. Now, Jesus is the ultimate apostle. We all agree with that. But when we look at the Bible, you have categories of apostles. Okay. And we will discuss this simply to recognize that today as we turn someone as an apostle, maybe they fall in that category. Maybe they are positioned in the office of an apostle. But their function may look very different from what we see in the Bible. Like we can pick an apostle in the Bible and say, oh, look at this person. They were like this. They were like that. And look at the apostle that we are talking about in today's times. The function may be very different. But the anointing and the calling would be that of an apostle. Okay. So we have to understand when we say apostolic, it's a huge term. It's a large term. And as I started saying to us earlier that we are getting revelation because it's a move of God. Many things we don't, we may not even understand right now. But now you could say that we're getting the words to describe what this means. Very similar to the prophetic. If you go back, let's say 15 years ago and I want to learn more about the prophetic. Back then I'm sure some of the depths that we have today did not exist because God is restoring this little by little to the church. So when we talk about the apostolic also, we have to recognize that God is giving revelation. So we are forming our understanding of the apostolic as we go along. We have some information. We have some understanding, which is what we want to share with us during this course. But there's so much that we I'm sure we don't yet understand fully. And when you talk about people in the apostolic office, they are also in categories. So everybody will not be similar. And that we have to settle in our hearts. Even as you look at the Bible, there is something known as the Apostles of the Lamb. The Apostles of the Lamb, they are mentioned in Revelation 21 in 14. There's a mention of the Apostles of the Lamb. We know that when Judas is carried, he went against Jesus. There was the election of another person in his place. Matthias was chosen and in Acts 1, we read about that, the election of this person called Matthias. So these 12 people, Apostles, usually we say Jesus and his disciples and Jesus and Apostles, 12 people, 12 Apostles. So who are they? What would we call them? We would call them the Apostles of the Lamb, because Revelation 21 verse 14 talks about them. Only 12 of them fall in that category of Apostles of the Lamb. Now as we go further, we see the emergence of people like Paul. Now Paul, when we read Ephesians 2 20, it says that the church, right, it is built on the foundation of Apostles and prophets. Built on the foundation of Apostles and prophets. What does it mean? You see, there were some founding Apostles such as Paul, as far as the Bible is concerned. Why? Because God gave them a great responsibility of establishing doctrine. Now, can we have founding Apostles today? Answer is no, because doctrine has already been established. Okay, yes, we are receiving greater revelation about the Word of God that has been given to us already, but we cannot recreate doctrine. It's already been done. The founding Apostles such as Paul, when we read the New Testament, we have James, we have Peter. So in this way, right, like John, Apostle John, so they have given us what we require. So the Logos or the Canon of Scripture, it's already been established and we cannot have founding Apostles anymore. That category also is closed. So yes, deep understanding can come, but not founding Apostles anymore. Then moving on to Ephesians 4, 11 and 12, where we are told that Apostles, general, the term Apostles. So is God establishing people from the time this letter was written by Paul up until now, who are serving as representatives, who are serving in furthering the Kingdom work of God. Yes, there are a lot of people whom God is choosing. He is shaping them. He is positioning them to do this work. And each one's work may look slightly different from the other. So that is the ministry gift of the Apostle. Now, one more thing that we want to say is that both men and women can be Apostles. Why are we saying this? Because there is a mention of a lady called Junior by Paul, when he writes to the Romans in Romans 16 verse 7, he mentions this woman Junior as an Apostle. There is this lady and she is commended by the churches, commended by the believers because of her Apostolic ministry. So she is in the office of the prophet. So that's a little bit about the Apostolic and we will move on to new things soon. So any thoughts at this point, any clarifications, questions, please feel free. You can ask and then I'll go ahead. I have a question. Yes, Zephyta. So in today's, I mean, in this generation, I don't think many are called as Apostles. We call evangelists, we call them pastors, we call them ministers. I mean, I just heard like this once that only those who wear the Jesus, where they mostly called us Apostles, Apostle Peter, Apostles or something like that. When they were in the Bible, they were mostly called as Apostles, but mostly we don't see anyone, often even telling very boldly, I mean, Apostles are called as Apostles. So how can we call someone an Apostle? Can someone name, give him that title? Mostly everyone called themselves in the Bible like evangelists, pastors, it's very common. So if they don't have a church, they mostly call themselves as evangelists. And when they have a church, they say they don't have a pastor. So I haven't seen anyone in my life mentioning them as Apostles. So I just want to clarify this, how can we term someone as an Apostle? Can we term like that? Okay, so yes, Jeffina, it's a really pertinent question. Who is an Apostle? How do we identify an Apostle? Okay, that's what we are trying to understand. So very similar to the prophetic ministry, when we understand that somebody's life, somebody's ministry is demonstrating a set of features. That they are prophesying and not just that they carry governmental authority, we said, they receive messages from God for the church, for the direction of the church, for the direction of the nation, for instructing political leaders. So when we see all this, then we usually say, here is a prophet. Similarly, to look at people around us and call them or term them an Apostle, we have to understand the features of the Apostolic ministry. Okay, so we are going to go through that now. Once you understand the features of the Apostolic ministry, then we are able to term them. Okay, they carry all these features. So we can conclude that such and such a person is an Apostle. Okay, so that's how we would go. I'm not going into the features because that's the next chapter here. Anywhere we have to discuss that. So if you can hold on, we will go through the features. Is that okay? All right. Rosalind, she says, can we call a pastor who has founded many churches as Apostles? All right. So Rosalind, we will study that just having more number of ministries doesn't make one an Apostle. I know that presently that seems to be the understanding in the body of Christ. But a pastor can have multiple churches, but he may not necessarily be an Apostle. Is that okay? You have any follow-up question to that? Okay. Yeah, I'm guessing Rosalind is fine with that. All right. So let's now go ahead and discuss some of the features of the Apostolic ministry. Now we said there were 12 Apostles of the Lamb. So when Jesus was with them, they were sent out. Matthew chapter 10, if you recall, verses one and two, he sent them. He said, okay, you go do the ministry. Go demonstrate the power of God. So they went as representatives of Jesus even before the cross, because that was always God's idea. He didn't want to be the only one who's doing the work of the ministry, but he sent his disciples. They were with him. They were trained and he gave them the courage and he said, okay, now you go. He sent them out. So this is in Matthew chapter 10. In case you all want to read it, we can or I will quickly read it for us. Yeah. So Jesus summoned his, I'm reading from the Amplified. Jesus summoned his 12 disciples and gave them authority and power over unclean spirits to cast them out and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. Now these are the names of the 12 and then it lists, it begins to list them out. 12 apostles it says and Simon who's called Peter, Andrew's brother James the son of Zebedee and John his brother and then it goes on. So 12 very clearly, okay, 12 disciples of Jesus are mentioned. They were sent out to do what to have authority over unclean spirits, cast them out to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. So what are they doing? Remember we said, establish the kingdom. So Jesus is coming from the heavenly kingdom where there's no work of the enemy. There's no sickness, no disease. So what is he doing now? He's sending his representatives and he's saying, you go. You establish the kingdom wherever you go. That is apostolic ministry sent forth, sent from ambassadors, ambassadors is another term. So we will come to that later. So when Jesus was with them, he sent them out. Now when Jesus ascended up into heaven, what happened? These men, their courage, you know, it multiplied. They were baptized in the Holy Spirit and the work of God took off like anything. It's like generally when we talk about the acts of the apostles seems like a, like a, you know, a spark that became a forest fire. It was powerful. It was like a revival that broke out in the church. And these 12 disciples, now we turn them as 12 apostles. They started, you know, like leading the work of that revival. What were some of the things that they did in our notes? A lot of scriptures are mentioned. I won't be reading through each one. Otherwise, you know, we'll have to do very many classes. But summarizing, summarizing what these verses are talking about, we notice that these apostles were teaching. Okay. When we read in the book of Acts, we are told that the teaching which was passed on to the new believers is the Apostles doctrine. Apostles doctrine. What is that? The things that they had learned from Jesus. And we also know that Jesus was dedicated to the Old Testament, right? The Old Testament books because he went to the synagogue. He read the scripture. So that way the books that Jesus was committed to, I'm sure he passed it on to the Apostles. And they also learned additionally teachings of Jesus. So these are known as Apostles doctrines. They obviously will teach only what they have learned from Jesus. So they learned, they taught the scriptures. They taught the teachings of Jesus. So they were teachers. They were passing it on. And you notice that it's called as Apostles doctrine. That's what was being taught to the people. And when a persecution came, scriptures say that you did it and said, Lord, give me more signs, walk the vehicles down through the hands of the Apostles. And Peter and John, they were part of that incredible miracle. The man who couldn't walk for 40 years, the lame man, Peter went to him. He said, silver and gold, I don't have, but what I have, I give to you in the name of Jesus, rise up and walk. And this man who's never walked his entire life, the whole city knows that, you know, he's been this way. Suddenly he's walking, he's jumping and it became the talk of the town. So it's a, it's a sign. It's a wonder. It's a miracle that took place. So when we read about Peter, John, Paul, even not the best, you know that they are moving in signs and doesn't miracles. Okay. So that's another feature teaching the doctrine. That's one feature. The science wonders miracles. That's another feature. And these are all descriptions of the earlier Apostles. Okay. Let's move on. A church administration. So things had to be decided for the church. And next chapter 15, you have James who oversees a meeting regarding the decision of circumcision for the Gentiles. So what are they doing? They are administering, they are guiding the church on what decisions to make, how to take things forward, practical issues, right? Biblical issues. So they have a say on these matters. And church government, church administration in that would come. How did they structure the church? So as you look at, you know, the growth of the church, you would see, you initially have only the Apostles. And slowly they start taking in volunteers. So Acts chapter six, when they need people to serve food, they pick seven men, full of the Holy Spirit, good report, and they assign them. Then as you keep reading the New Testament, suddenly you hear terms like elders. You hear terms such as, you know, Bishop. So what's happening? Two roles are emerging, volunteers, pastors, leaders. So church administration is being formed. And you would notice that as the churches were planted, leaders were raised up in all those churches. So this was all part of the apostolic work that one needed to do. And they were actually doing these things. So church administration, church government, that was a great responsibility that the Apostles carried. Preaching. Preaching is what? Preaching is teaching. Yes, you take the truth of the word, you break it down and, you know, you help people understand it and follow through. Preaching is when you proclaim, when you declare the truth of God, so when you declare the gospel, if you recall, Peter on that first day, he stood up and he started preaching, right? On the day that the Holy Spirit was poured out on them. What happened? Three thousand people got saved. Wow, Peter, we didn't even know you could preach this well. He, you know, and scriptures say, and suddenly, and we don't know if he was thinking of this sermon and he wanted to preach a sermon, but it just happened on that day. He was preaching and that was not the last time, but you notice that he went around preaching, so did all the other apostles and they trained believers also to go ahead and preach. So preaching was a huge part of what apostles did, then leadership, providing leadership to the church, instructing the church, and you also notice that they became the greatest targets of persecution. So initial chapters of the book of Acts, you would see that when the healing of that lame man happened, Peter and John were in trouble. They were the ones who were, they were caught and then they were, you know, they were commanded not to, instructed not to preach in the name of Jesus and that there will be dire consequences. So ultimately, they became the targets of persecution. Persecution was happening in general, but the authorities wanted to get rid of the apostles first and unfortunately, as you go till Acts chapter 12, you see that James, one of the James was killed is what we read, he was already killed and then you have Peter who was put into the prison. So the people were targeting the apostles because they knew, once you get rid of the leaders, you can easily cause confusion for the followers. So they became the target of persecution. Then the apostles, they were strengthening the local church. You know, it's really beautiful to see that when the church in some area, they got news about people believing Philip Wendt, he's evangelist, so he went, he did some ministry over there and the church in Jerusalem heard, oh, there's a new church in some area. Now, you know what, they have just been happy about it, they sent a report saying, we have a new church, but that's not what they did. They knew that this church has to be strengthened. So immediately they send out apostles for the next step. What is the next step? Baptism in the Holy Spirit. So you have apostles from Jerusalem coming in to strengthen the church in some area. Philip is gone. Evangelist did his work and he went to the next region, but that church is not left out. They are building the church, right? They are strengthening the church. Many things have to be done in that church. People have to be taught, leaders have to be appointed. So that is apostolic. When we are strengthening the church and that's what the apostles did, early apostles and expanding into new territory. So as I told us, Jerusalem was the place where the mighty Holy Spirit was poured out and wonderful things happened. They could have said, oh, we are in the best place. We are in the center of Israel. So let's just be happy, but that wasn't enough. You see that they start moving, Samaria, Judea, different parts of the region and eventually we'll see later founding apostles like Paul come into the picture and they take new territory. You have the Asia Minor regions where they go, the max that they could cover with the transportation they had, the opportunities they had, they did it. They were not just limited to Jerusalem. So these are some of the features of the early apostles. So I hope you're getting an idea. I'm sure whatever sharing is helping to build a picture of the ministry of the apostles. So just think about it. Let's take a bit. We will come back and feel free to ask questions. Feel free to discuss. So yeah, and I see Rosalind's comment here saying she lost her connection. That's fine. That's fine, Rosalind. No problem. All right. So let's go ahead. 10 minutes break. Let's come back at 10 a.m. and then we'll discuss some more. Thank you so much.