 Run it up, they run it back, run it up, they run it back, run it back, run it up. Good Tuesday morning. This is Run It Back. Look at us, made it to another day. Stadium Insider, Shamsherania. Chandler P, to my left. How's everybody feeling today? I never asked that. Oh, you did? I never asked that, and I feel like I should do a better job. No, this is kind of throwing me off now. I know, did you have a nice breakfast yet or? I had a blueberry muffin. Blueberry muffin, great. I ate his oatmeal. That sounded weird. See, we're sharing, we share on this. That's just an odd way to put it. Shams, you know I have notifications set for you. And the one that came through last night was a bit of a shock to the system about Jamaran. Did not see that coming. What happened? Torn labrum for Jamaran, season-ending surgery. It happened on Saturday. He had this injury during a training session with the Grizzlies, and at the time, it was thought to be a right shoulder subluxation. And at that point, there's a lot of soreness. He's dealing with pain, obviously. And the thought was over the next couple of days, it'll feel better. He'll lose some of that sensation in that shoulder, and it didn't. And he underwent an MRI yesterday, and that revealed an underlying torn labrum injury. Just devastating for the Grizzlies because with him back in the lineup, they've been six and three. I mean, everywhere across the board, points per game. His stats have been obviously 25 points. Eight assists, six rebounds. He's been playing, again, at an elite level. This is a guy that's box office, must-see television with his highlight plays when he's on the floor. It's just been about availability for him last season. And unfortunately, the start of this year and now the remainder of the year. With him in the lineup, there's Grizzlies team. You can make a case. Was gonna fight for the playing, was gonna fight for the playoffs. Without him, they've gone seven and 20 on the season. And this is just, it's absolutely devastating for the Grizzlies, for Jamaran. You wanna see him on the court, and we will not for the rest of the season. Yeah, contrary to what people might think. This is, we're bummed. I mean, look, this is just when you get him back and you can see a spark of light in this team. And I also think about the teammates. Like, it's just, it's one thing after another. Are they, they're just done. Yeah, I would think so, but, and that's tough because like Sharma just said, this is a totally different team with Jamaran in the lineup. And like he said, I thought they could make noise. I thought they could get to that play-in. I thought they were gonna be a tough out. And without him, it's just too, too high of a mountain to climb. And what's interesting here is I've torn my labrum. So depending on the tear, you can rehab it and just strengthen it over time, or you can get the season-ending surgery. I think where their season's at right now, everything with how big of a hole they're in, I think it's smart to kind of shut them down. And who knows, maybe this is a blessing in disguise. And I wouldn't be surprised now if they start minute-restricting, you know, Jarron Jackson has been made and guys like that because at this point, there's no real reason to even put your best team out there. You're not gonna compete. You're not gonna make the play-in even. So, you know, reset. Hopefully they all learn from this. Hopefully they get healthy. And then they have a real shot at being a really good team next year. Is this one of those injuries where surgery is inevitable? Because you said like sometimes you can let it heal or you do that. I had a torn labrum and I never got surgery and it never bothered me. Again, it happened the last game of my rookie year. So it's something, again, depending on the tear, how bad it is, you don't have to have surgery. I think with him and this season, where they're at, it makes sense to kind of shut him down, reset, kind of, you know, throw the season out the door. Severity of the tear definitely matters. Stephen Curry last year played through a small labral tear as well. He played with a shoulder sleeve and he had a bunch of padding on and he was able to get through it. And he played the entire season. He missed a little bit of time initially with that small labral tear, but then he ended up playing. John Morant's tear obviously was to the point where they felt they needed him to get surgery now rather than deal with it later. And even Steph Curry, he said at the time when he had it, I'll have to think after the season, if I need surgery or not, he ended up not needing it. But I mean, it's just devastating. Like you would have wished for him, obviously he wanted to, I'm sure, play through it. Sure. And find a way to get on the court and unfortunately he will have season ending surgery. I did, I wanted to see them go on a run, see what they were capable of doing when he got back. Almost to the point where I was like, Sean's told me this is not a real tweet, but it was. And look, silver lining, I suppose, it may be too early for some to look at that, but lottery pick, right? They're gonna add something. 100% and it gives this whole roster time to heal. It gives Brandon Clark more time. It gives Stephen Adams more time to where this team can be a real threat coming back next year. And I look for John Moran. Again, I've had my differences with Memphis, but I love the setup of this team. I love the Marcus Smart Edition. I love, you know, Triple J. I love Desmond Bain. So I look for John Moran to really learn from this, grow from this, get fully healthy and have an MVP type season next year. Yeah, when it rains, it pours. Another story that happened yesterday, this one not on the court, Dreymon Green, spoke on his very own podcast. Isn't that convenient? For the first time, by the way, since the suspension, one of the most noteworthy things and the thing that probably picked up the most traction was the idea that he was thinking about retiring when all of this went down, and that none other than Adam Silver talked him out of it, grasped him from the hands of retirement, said, don't go, or something like that, right? Like, that's not what it was? Yeah, I don't, again, listen. Do I think he was ever going to retire? No, I don't. I think this is a humbling realization where Dreymon Green took time away and he lost what's most important to him and that's basketball. And he was with his family, his kids, you know, hopefully bettering himself and he's saying all the right things. Does everyone believe what he's saying? Probably not. And the fact that, you know, he's learned that his actions have real consequences for people around him. Look at his team right now. Steph Curry's obviously frustrated. Steve Kerr is frustrated. Bob Meyers left. Clay Thompson is pissed. Seems like this whole season has been irritated and it kind of stems from Dreymon Green and the incident with Jordan Poole. Jordan Poole, he's out. So it seems like one guy, when you're a leader like that, you're an emotional leader, you can just as easily become the cancer and become an issue. And I think that was trending that way. So I think this is good for him. Again, he's saying the right things. Hopefully he comes back and he's more mature and he's a better teammate and then he keeps his emotions in check and got the proper help. But again, he's saying the right thing. So I guess now time will tell if he's actually gonna act upon them. He, look, he said a lot. And yeah, I agree with you. He said a lot of the right things. He mentioned the fact. Remember when Kevin Durant and they came out and they're like, he needs help. And we all thought, wow, that's actually kind of a big thing. He does, he did need help. A colleague, yeah. But he said at the time that he was pissed about it and then realized that it probably wasn't meant to be necessarily a negative. Again, is this Draymond saying all the right things? Is it a sign of growth? How are you taking that? Well, I think Kevin Durant was dead on with this guy and he needed help. This was, this is ruining their franchise. This was ruining their season. This is ruining his career. And from what he says, Steve Curry, he doesn't wanna see it in this way and they wanna end this the right way. And that's Draymond Green coming back, being the leader, trying to salvage this season because yeah, this is a blown season. This is Steph Curry's a great year. They're all getting older. Everyone's talking about the end of the dynasty and then he does something like this to even add to that and expedite the whole demise of this dynasty. So again, I think he's saying the right stuff. Hopefully he's learned from this kind, similar to the John Morant situation where he takes time away, he's with his family, he finds himself, he grows up and he comes back and he can help this team in a positive way and try and salvage this season. There was a lot said. He also talked about his relationship with Steph, that he apologized to him because as a result of all this, there have been some in media who've questioned Steph's leadership. Take from that what you will. But we've, you know, we try to read Steph's faces. He's got a really good poker face, but even he's had a hard time hiding some of that this season. How much more mending do you think needs to happen there? Or do you think they're just like, all right, dude, come out here and do the best. We're good. I think he's definitely annoyed. I think he understands now more than ever that, you know, he needs Draymond Green though on the court and being mad at him, you know, having this, you know, resentment towards him, I think is a normal feeling as a team, as a player. He left them down at the end of the day and I'm sure Draymond had a team or players only meeting where he apologized to everybody because he's not the only issue on this team. Again, they're all not playing. Andrew Wiggins not playing good this year isn't because Draymond Green, you know, did what he did. Clay Thompson's not making shots because of that. So there's a lot of things to point at, but again, Draymond as the leader of this team, as a guy that's been there forever as a 33 year old man, he's realizing you can't do stuff like this. There's consequences, people's careers, people's future are in jeopardy now because maybe of your behavior. So again, I think Steph is his guy, they have history there, they have years, but Steph's one of the nicest guys in the world. Anyone's gonna let him back in and, you know, fight for him. It's gonna be Steph Curry. This return process, I guess I wasn't shocked, maybe a little bit surprised that the podcast came out so quickly, right? What is the actual process here that we can expect moving forward? Well, this week, Draymond Green is ramping up. He is getting in position to play. He could play as soon as this upcoming road trip, they play in Chicago on Friday, then they go to Milwaukee. It's a four game road trip. So whether it's this weekend, whether it's early next week, mid next week, I think there's a hope that he's able to ramp up over the course of the week and get himself ready in position to play. Clay Thompson spoke to it the other night. They need Draymond Green on the court. They know it, they know they can't be themselves. And that's why it was so unfortunate. I mean, he did let that team down. I think he knows it and he's had a team meeting where he's addressed the players. That's where he's been the most emotional from what I'm told is addressing his teammates, letting them know, I'm sorry for letting you guys down and I'm going to go get this help. And he got that counseling and he just needs to stay available. Mike Dunley, he spoke to it. Mike Dunley, Jr., they're GM. He spoke to it. We need him available. That's the test case over the next few months. And again, time will tell whether he does that and whether he is better and whether if he comes back and he acts like this and gets suspended, then who knows what happens. But I don't think it's going to happen. And I believe him when he says that this is important to him. He wants to come back and he sees the pain and suffering that he feels that a lot of people feel like he caused. So I hope he gets back. The Warriors need him. And again, we're losing Steph Curry here in a couple of years. So you got to try and maximize that. All eyes on Draymond. That first tech is going to be awkward. We're taking a quick break right here. When we come back, we will be joined by Miami Heat, Duncan Robinson. Run it back. So exciting. All right, Shoms, full disclosure, I've been checking Dejante Murray's Instagram daily because ever since he put the little black thing in his avatar and I was like, oh no, what's going on? Is there news there yet? Dejante Murray's trade eligible starting today. The Hawks are going to begin escalating conversations even more. The Lakers are suitor. We've discussed. They have a need, I think, at that position. And we're still waiting to see exactly how his market shakes out. But one team that has a level of exploratory interest, I'm told, is his former team, the San Antonio Spurs. Spurs, obviously, building around Victor Roman Yama, Devin Vacell, among their young talent, budding young talent. They have a stable of draft assets as well. They have a ton of draft picks moving forward. And I think they're going to take a very patient approach in their building process. There's not a real level of urgency of going out there immediately. But they're going to be patient. And I think they will be, they're going to pick and choose exactly the spots, whether that's this season, in the summer, next season. They have a runway. There's not a real urgency. But they have a runway to make things happen potentially if they want to. So that is interesting. You're a resident San Antonio. Yeah, yep, yep. What are your thoughts? You know what, that's kind of surprising to me, I'll be honest. That was one of those breakups along with Kawhi Leonard, where it seemed to be ill-received by the fan base. And we weren't really sure what the story was. But I can also say, watching every time Dejante's return to San Antonio, he and Pop, and their interactions, it's very lovely the same way he is with Kawhi. So maybe we don't always know what's going on behind closed doors. But does he want? OK, so here's my question. A, what happened in Atlanta? And is this appealing to him to go back to San Antonio? And how much of that is getting to play with Wimby? Well, he's under contract. Four-year, $120 million extension he signed over the off-season. So the Hawks, because he signed that extension, they have a good amount of leverage. They're going to be able to dictate, see the best asking price, who can meet their asking price, who's able to get to that price threshold. And at that point, they have a choice of teams that they're going to be able to pick from. I think it checks all the boxes basketball-wise. I like it. They obviously need a point guard, right? I would try all my power to not break up that Core 4, with the sell, so on, Wimby and Kelton Johnson. Now, if you can throw in De'Andre Hunter or someone with him, then maybe I'd look to give up a Kelton Hunter or someone like that. But I think basketball-wise, this is a playmaker. This is a guy who's pretty much going into his prime. He's a 25 and five guy. So I think it is a little interesting to go play with Wimby and be part of this process. And I don't think it's that weird when guys go back. Look, De'Andre Jordan went to the Mavs after breaking up with us and turning us down and then going, you know, I mean, De'Lo just went back to the Lakers. I've returned to things before. You get back with your ex every now and then, it happened. So I don't think it'd be the most awkward, weird thing. And I think he is, honestly, a perfect fit basketball-wise. It's crazy, too, because when he blacked out his Instagram, I thought, oh, it was because it was a lot of Nick's rumor stuff coming out at that point. I thought, well, that's an interesting fit, but I had no idea about this. That would be shocking to me. I wonder how Spurs fans would receive it. Oh, they would welcome him back with open arms. He's part of the whole process, the whole future moving forward. I mean, they've got to figure something out at some point. I know that this season is a wash, but no one was really counting on this season anyways. This is more of a two-three-year-down-the-road type stitch. Well, and like Sean said, they're in no rush to win this year. They're not going to win this year. They're going to end up in the lottery again, and they're going to continue to build their future. So I don't think there's an urgency here, but I do. I like it if they can find the right pieces and they don't have to give up one of these young, you know, core pieces moving forward. This will be, it's going to be amazing. We're going to have the Spurs with a pick, a lottery pick. We're going to have the Memphis Grizzlies with a lottery pick. Like these are two young teams that are, you know, trying to get some stuff done. The rich get richer. It's just going to be a longer process than we thought. All right, we've got a guest now, a treat. Let's play a hype video for Mr. Duncan Robinson. Duncan Robinson, that sweet stroke. This is a heat jigs. Strong guys survive, but we, they can't eat. My goodness. I'll get you ready. Joining us, oh, I'm sorry, Chandler's doing an ovation. So we're going to do the ovation. Look at, all right, you know what? I love it. Six season with the heat all, I'm not even going to do all that because right now you're wearing the shirt. It's a champion. That's where we were going to start. How are you feeling today? How'd you like that? You know, I sacrificed a lot for this Michigan football season. Blood, sweat and tears went into this team. So I feel good, you know, just proud of everything. You feel justified? All the cheating accusations? Like how do you feel about that? You know, Jim said it best. We're America's team. So I know America woke up this morning feeling good about a national championship victory. It's all fun and games till he's the Charger's coach in a few weeks. As long as it's not the Raiders. You know what? As far as I'm concerned, he fulfilled his duty. He can do whatever he's got to do. We're national champs, so it's a good feeling. I mean, how does it work? So y'all are playing at the same time as this game's on last night? Be honest, now that it's over, you can't get in trouble. How do you check the score on that? So actually our strength coach, one of our strength coaches, and I'm actually in his office right now, taking this interview. He went to, he played football at UW. So he was sitting behind me, just kind of kicking me updates throughout the game. So we had a friendly little wager going on. So I was getting updates, but obviously locked in on the game as well. Full transparency. I'm a pretty fair weather Michigan football fan. I was crushing them at times throughout the last couple of years, but now obviously they were on top. You know, I'm riding the way. Obviously. Duncan, last night went against Houston. You guys are 21 and 15, despite injuries to guys like Jimmy Butler, Bam, Tyler, missed time as well. How would you assess this season, despite all the ups and downs, obviously you play in a big role? Yeah, I mean, I think it's been a challenging season. There's been some challenging aspects. I mean, everybody's going through the injury stuff and availability stuff. So that's never going to be a crutch or an excuse. I feel like we've had guys kind of step up and fulfill those boys. Obviously it's impossible to totally fill what a Jimmy does or what a Bam does or what a Tyler does when they miss that type of time, but we've kind of just kind of done it by committee. So I think in the end it'll blow well for us just from a depth perspective. Yeah, Duncan, your average in a career high in points, career high in assists, after kind of a down year last year, you're in and out of the rotation. What was the biggest change for you, this offseason going into the season to make this jump? You know, I didn't really change much in terms of my preparation from like a physical standpoint. Offseason has always been, I've always tried to be like a regimented guy. I think the biggest shift was just in the perspective and approach. As you know, so much of experiencing success at this level is between the ears. And really just kind of coming into this year, first off with a level of freedom and just kind of being able to be out there and be myself, but then also really trying to assert myself from that confidence standpoint as well. So I think that's made a big, big difference for me. And speaking of that freedom last night, seven dimes. Is this, you're going deep in your bag. We're looking at point guard Duncan here. Is this just something with more opportunity that you're getting more comfortable doing? A little bit. I mean, some of those are just, you know, the bands down there somewhere, throw it up. And especially when they're switching everything, you know, just try to take advantage of mismatches like that. But, you know, I've always felt that kind of like my feel for the game is a strength of mind. So, you know, this year being a little bit less just obsessed with like, how do I get three's off? I feel like I've been able to be a little bit more of a basketball player and do some different things, which has been fun. Kevin Love said that your life completely turned around once you guys started sitting next to each other on the plane. If you said it, it's obviously true. So, what happened? What do you guys talk about? Life, love, basketball, everything in between. That was deep. No, I mean, Kevin's the best. I mean, he brought so much levity to this group last year when we got him, you know, a little bit after the deadline. And, you know, he's been a great teammate, a great friend. And, you know, for me, sometimes it's really good, especially after a game that doesn't go well, to just kind of have some perspective on the plane, you know, and understanding that as athletes, like sometimes it just feels like the end of the world. And for much of my career, I kind of carried that, you know, when a game wouldn't go well or we're on a losing streak or I wasn't playing well. So, he provides great perspective as somebody that's been in the league for such a long time. NBA champion, all NBA all started like all that stuff. He's done everything there is to do. So, to have that guy, you know, sit next to you on a plane and be able to take some things off you, more often than not, it's not talking about basketball, to be honest. Are you and Caleb, is Tonk or Bure, that's still the game? I stay out of that. Participated in that. Probably smart. Probably smart. There's a lot of spades that gets played on our plane, but I had a bad experience really on. And it just kind of stayed away. That's like a bet. Bro, I saw Patrick Beverly one time on a flight from Houston to Dallas, lose an offensive amount of money. That's 20 minutes that flight. Yeah, it can get ugly. Not even gonna tell me what offensive means in the break. Okay, I don't know why I have to ask about this, but earlier this season, you had a moment with Victor Wimanyama. This seems to be a goal for everyone in the league right now. I mean, what'd this feel like? Yeah, I mean, that one obviously, I don't want to say blown out of proportion, but I think whenever anybody sees me do anything other than like shoot a three, I think everyone just kind of loses their mind. So I think a combination of the fact that it was on him and he was involved in the play. And then also, I think there was just a general surprise that I was able to score in a way that wasn't shooting a three. So yeah, I mean, that's probably is about his viral, I guess, as you want to say, or as I've gotten in my career, phone was definitely blown up after that, which is fun, but at the same time, it's also like, I mean, it's pretty basic to move. But it's him. A version of the Smitty, but I guess because it was against him, it got some blow. Everyone's watching now, every single move. Duncan, your teammate, Jimmy Butler, we know he can be pretty intense. He's one of the game's greatest competitors. Get one of the game's greatest trash talkers. What makes his trash talk, I guess, his competitiveness so unique, so different than other players? I think he really picks his spots. I think that he'll go through stretches of the game, where he's just kind of like feeling it out. And he's very calculated in his approach in terms of when he wants to engage and when he wants to go there. And when he does choose to go there, it's full force. And it's with a certain level of conviction that I don't know that I've ever seen. And it also raises his level from a competitive standpoint and an actual like play style standpoint. So whenever, as a team, we kind of feel like he's going there, we know it's a good sign for us. Okay, I'm glad you brought that up, because a few years ago you were on the receiving end. Let's take a listen. I mean, yeah, I've played with some pretty smart players before. I think Duncan's like the dumbest one out of all of them, but now we've had some smart guys. I've been around some really, you know, hall of famers, really great players, but definitely helps whenever you got guys that are extremely smart and know the game. Except for Duncan, he dumb. All right, Jimmy, thank you. He dumb. Duncan, you dumb. He dumb. He dumb. That is such a, he loves you. That's fun, right? Yeah, that was a wild straight, because I don't think I had anything to do with the question. But with that being said, it's all a good fun. I think it comes from a place of... I don't want to say that I ask stupid questions, sometimes I'll do this thing where I have a feeling that not everybody understands what's going on, whether it be what we're running, what coverage or whatever. I feel like I know what's going on. So I'll ask the question publicly to kind of give some people some confidence of like, oh, that is what we're doing. Break the ice a little bit. Yeah, I mean, you said it, not me. But yeah, so I think that's kind of where that was born from of like, why is Duncan always asking these questions? But with that being said, yeah, you're right. It's all a good fun. So I can take that one on the chin. I gotta ask, as a coffee guy, what was the fuss about? About him brewing and making his own coffee? Was it actually good? Yeah, it was a really expensive coffee. It wasn't cheap. An incredible marketing tactic. That means it was trash. That means the coffee was no bueno. It's gotta be good. If you're starting off with the marketing, that means the product was poop. No, I think his product is quality. I've had some big-faced coffee. It's definitely a quality product. And I think it's grown a lot from the bubble. I mean, it's turned into a full-fledged operation, which is pretty impressive to see. Jimmy actually lost a bet with me at one point. So I'm actually technically 10% owner of big-faced coffee. I've yet to receive that legally. And I'm not holding my breath on the fact that it will, but I'm hopeful. So I'm over here pumping the business just out of the off chance that he decides to fall through on that bet. I mean, 20 bucks a cup is, that is ridiculous. It must be delicious. The bubble, by the way, the Lakers bench was, Lakers bench, was calling you Jimmy Neutron. I'm sure you've gotten all kinds of fun names in the course of your career. I don't know why I'm assuming that, I just feel it. Is Jimmy Neutron, is that accurate? How'd you feel about that one? Is it accurate? Like, is it accurate? Like, do you think it's like a, do you think there's a- Do you find it racist? It's not racist. It's not. It's not. You guys are coming after all the viral moments. I respect it. Yeah, you know, here's my thing with the Jimmy Neutron thing. And I truly have no problem, no gripes, no issues with whatever you want to call me. People call me Jimmy Neutron and people also call me Sheen, which is another character in Jimmy Neutron. Those two characters don't look alike. So how is it possible that I could look like both of them? You wanted to say, particularly in the bubble when I had like, I had a little like hair action going and Jimmy's got the Johnny Bravo-ish sort of thing, that I could understand. And that's when the Jimmy Neutron thing was born. But now the Sheen thing has kind of taken off as well. So I don't really see how I can look like both. I'm happy to be either one, but I just feel like as a public, we've got to pick a lane, you know? That's a public vote. Doug, we also heard your very good ping pong player and there's a rumor going around. Did you actually challenge Franz Wagner in a match for a game check? Or is that- A game check? That's a stretch. A rumor. I would do that though, because I know- Really, you're that nice. He doesn't want to hang with me. Yeah, the one that has been elusive to pin down is Obi-Topp. And we've been going back and forth. I said on my podcast a while ago that I was better at ping pong than I have at basketball. And he thought that he could beat me in ping pong. So we've been going back and forth on that, having found an opportunity to play it. You know, Carlisle and Darryl Moore are actually unbelievable ping pong players. How does one become so good at ping pong? Like how's that, is that common to play ping pong? Like in the house growing up maybe or something? I went to boarding school for a year. And when you're at boarding school, there's absolutely nothing to do other than hang in the common areas and play ping pong. So that was pretty much the extent of that year. God. So Duncan, we all know about Welcome to the NBA moments. What was your moment? Did you have one? I'm sure you can point out a couple of things, but what was yours? There've been a couple. Early on in my first year, I didn't have many games where I was playing rotation minutes. You know, when I was on a two way, there's probably a handful of them. But one of them was against the Pacers. And that was back when now a former teammate of mine, Vic Oladipo, was really in kind of like peak form with the Pacers. Prior to some of the unfortunate injury stuff that he's gone through. And I was kind of thrown in in the middle of the second quarter and because of foul trouble and stuff and was asked to guard him. And it got ugly for me pretty quickly. He's just, it still is, but particularly at that point, you know, so dynamic, so fast. And I think the big thing with him was just his aggression and his mindset at that point to just go out there and try to score 30, 35 every night. So that was an ugly stretch. Quickly got taken out and didn't come back in in the second half and probably for good reason. I was looking like a traffic cone out there for a little bit. I love that everyone has that moment and that everyone remembers it so vividly. Duncan, it has been a pleasure. Sorry we did all the weird topics. Next time we'll get into some more X's and O's if that's cool. We'll talk to you soon. Good luck the rest of the way. Don't appreciate it. It's all good. I know how it goes. Appreciate you guys. You're amazing, Sean. We're taking a quick break as well when we come back, a little convince me with Chandler Parsons. All right, we had a game last night, Celtics Pacers. Don't love what happened in this one. No Jason Tatum, Pacers defeat the Celtics by two but they do lose Tyrese Halliburton to a hamstring injury. Jalen Brown, season high 40, Benedict Mathrin had 26. Also had the game winning free throws. Seven of the Indiana Pacers were in double figures. Let's start before we get to Tyrese Halliburton. Buddy Hill was called for a foul on Jalen Brown's game winning shot attempt with three seconds left. You know, Chandler, I'm gonna ask you, was this the right call to overturn it? It absolutely was not. I don't know how they missed this call. You see right here, he definitely hits him in the back of the head. And that is just an obvious foul. So if I'm Boston, I'm definitely upset about this because there's contact. And again, it's a prayer of a shot. It's really good defense by Mathrin but Buddy Hill, there's contact to the head. If Buddy Hill hit him any harder, they're reviewing this to see if it's flagrant when you hit someone in the head like that. So I don't know how that they review it. It's always weird to me how you actually review it. They see the same thing we say. It's weird, I know. And then disagree with the call. Clearly hit someone in the head, clearly alters the shot. This should have been two free throws and Celtics win. Well, this is one of those games where the end took hours because after this, you had Kristoff's Porzingis called for a foul on Benedict Mathrin's potential game winner that had 0.1 second left on the clock at that point. That call was upheld. He then makes the free throws as we mentioned. Pacers win. How do we feel about this call? I mean, it's a foul, but I think it's less of a foul than the first play. So again, I think they got these backwards. I think Boston got the raw end of the deal here. Again, I think Porzingis has to be smarter here. You can't allow the ref to even think about blowing that whistle, just contest without getting close. He didn't really give them any landing space. But when you look at the two plays, one, there was contact to a guy's head and one, there was this. So I disagree. I think they got both of these wrong. It's such a messy way to end the game. All of that, by the way, overshadowed by what happened in the second quarter, Tyrese Halliburton, had to be carried off Shoms, which is never a good sign. What's the latest there? Left hamstring strain and you have to fear the worst if you're the Pacers right now because if you think about it, Gary Payton the second just suffered a grade two hamstring strain and he's going to be out several weeks. Could be four, six, seven weeks for Gary Payton the second with the Warriors and he was able to walk off under his own power. Yes, he had a limp last week for the Warriors but Tyrese Halliburton injures that hamstring and you could tell the pain that he was under, he could not make it off the floor besides being carried by his teammates. He was in obvious pain, couldn't put any pressure on that leg and so it's just unfortunate because this Pacers team, they play such a frenetic pace and all of it is driven by Tyrese Halliburton. He makes up the focal point of their offense. He is their offense in a lot of ways and if he has lost for multiple months, possibly the season, if it is a fully torn hamstring, it's just devastating for the Pacers. I mean, has anyone who's ever had a hamstring injury, like there are levels to it, there are certainly levels to it, not being able to walk on your own is actually a pretty bad sign I would think but man, you had bad news last night, Shoms. That's all I'm gonna say to you for the rest of the show. Bad news, but the impact of this, this is a bummer as well, how big is it? Well, this is, you could argue this is more detrimental to them than jaw to Memphis. This is guys, they're everything, he is their engine, he is their absolute everything and so this is tough. Do I think it's fully torn? No, I think that's extreme. I think that you really have to rip it off the bone. I've torn it right off the bone. Doing what? Playing tennis. Geez. Yeah, I couldn't walk, that's what I looked like. Really? Yeah, I went tough broad. See, that's true, but listen, I hope it's a strain because they need him but they showed you, they can manage to win games with Adam. T. Jim McConnell's a solid vet, Andrew Nimhart's now gonna get more opportunity but it's gonna take everything for this team because again, this is like Memphis situation. They're not a good team without Tyrese Albert and so it's a tough blow, especially considering how well he's playing. I mean, look, this obviously happened in game and the team was able to go on and win it. I don't know how much you can take from that. First of all, you're dealing with the shock of your star player leaving the game, you still get things done. We saw the ending of the game, it was sloppy and weird. What can you, as his teammates, if anything, take away from a win regardless? Well, it can give you that boost of confidence, right? And this is a team that plays well against good teams. These teams dominated the Bucks and they've now beaten the Boston Celtics. Those are both two teams that they're gonna have to go through to get where they want to get to. So I think it's a boat of confidence for Rick Carlaw that this group can do it. It's a boat of confidence for the players that they're gonna get this opportunity now. When someone goes down like this, it's this instrumental to their team and their offense. They all gotta collectively step up. So Buddy Heald's gotta be big. Matherin' is gonna continue giving 26 off the bench. That's gonna be huge moving forward when you lose so much with Tyrese Maxim or Tyrese Halliburton. Jaylen Brown, by the way, best game of the season so far. Of course, he didn't have Tatum out there. And he does take a lot of heat, especially come playoff time. I don't know if you can make a game in January, or yeah, January, what month is it? Feel like a confidence boost for what you are talked about in the playoffs, but can he? Yeah, I think so. And with the contract that he got this summer, these type of games are expected. And especially when Jason Tatum, your best players out, the team is now going through you. And this was a great game for him last night. And when he knocks down his first couple of shots, the whole game opens up for him. When he's efficient from the three point line, when he's knocking down his pull-up, then it allows him to get to his strength, allows him to be physical, get to the hoop, get to the foul line. So I think he's improved. I think he continued to get better. But this is the type of performances that we've got to see from him when he's got the biggest contract in the NBA. The biggest contract. What I like seeing about Jaylen Brown right now is you're starting to see him carry this team, like fully, fully carry this team and embrace that without Jason Tatum. I think in the last couple of years, when Jason Tatum's out, like he's been so much for them. But Jaylen Brown can, I mean, one A, one B on any given night, and 40 points last night, season high. I think he's like top five now among Celtics all time in 40 point games. So Jaylen Brown, I think he's living up so far, but again, everything with the Celtics is all based on the playoffs. Yeah, 100%. It's like a speed. Yeah, and they go and win and they get a championship. That contract is validated. Yeah, everything's worth it. Yeah. Big if. Sons Clippers, a game that our own Shamsherania was at last night. Clippers defeated the Sons. It's the second time they've done that in the last five days. Crushed them, actually. Paul George, 25 and seven. Kevin Durant had 30. He had 20 of those in the first half. But the Phoenix Sons right now, when the big threes playing are two and four. I'm just gonna, do they need more time to gel or do we hit the panic button? They definitely need more time. I think when you have an offensive new situation like this, it takes time. And you look and people think it's the donut basketball. I think it's just easy, right? You have all these options. All these shots are gonna go down. All these scores, it doesn't work like that. And I will say I love this matchup. I hope as we get this in the playoffs because you can see the physicality. You can see Devon Booker and Paul George and Devon Booker and Westbrook going at it, smiling, getting physical. So I love this matchup and they're both talented, but the Sons, they have to figure it out. They have to, you know, it's almost like watching a pickup game. They just take turns. They go one-on-one. They go ice, so they play pick and roll and they play zero defense. So it's like, they almost think that their talent alone is gonna outscore other teams. And when you see games like this, when they run into another great offensive team that also plays defense, the outcome is ugly. You wanna see that in the playoffs? It'll be kind of a fun one. I mean, we saw it last year but Kawai was hurt. I mean, I would also love to see it. And I look at it more, I was there at the game last night. I'm looking at just vibes and body language and things like that. Whatever you say about the Sons, you say about the Sons. But the Clippers, they seem like they're feeling it. Russell Westbrook has really embraced that role coming off the bench now, playing that spark plug 15 to 20 minutes on any given night and he can change the course of the game very easily. You saw him and Kevin Durant going back and forth in the second half. I think the vibes around the Clippers are great right now. For them, it's like sustaining, maintaining, building and being healthy. Because if this team is healthy, but those three guys and their starting lineup, Zubac is just balling right now. Zuchi man. Zuchi man, shout out Lou, where's Lou at? Zuchi man. You know, his boy, his boy is balling. I know he would have been going hype today but he's playing at a great level and this team is pretty well rounded right now. What else is tough with the Sons? Everyone just assumes that Devin Booker could be this point guard, right? Like, he's never done that before. So that transition, you can see he's a little timid, he's passive, he's not picking the spots like he used to. Devin Booker is an absolute bucket, one of the better ISO scores in this league, playmakers, and now you're almost kind of taking his strength away. I think they need to go out, get a point guard, get some sort of vet point guard. All right. Jordan Goodwin, sorry, am I taking your question? No, no, no, it's like, because I'm thinking, well, if he doesn't want to do that, then who's going to pick up the duties? Yeah, it's like, Goodwin, is there only a point guard on their roster? And then like, again, you're taking Grace and Allen's not going to play point guard or Kogi. Anybody can bring the ball up, but you need, when you have these players like this, you need someone to run the offense. Set the table. You need someone, yeah, to set the table and let these guys go eat, and right now it's kind of, it's taking away Devin Booker's strength by putting him at point guard. Fern, I know, we've seen that now in a couple towns where they're trying to switch things up and it doesn't make people feel very comfortable. Shoms, we're going to put Chandler in the hot seat right now. I love when Chandler's in the hot seat. We need that. We're already sweating. I know, we're already sweating quite as well. It's a little convince me, if you will. I like some of these because they're a little wacky. Are you ready? Yeah. Players will win an NBA title in two years. If you answer this question the wrong way, Michelle might come over and convince me. Convince you. Two years. I believe it with the Dejante Murray edition. You keep that. What if he doesn't go there? Then it's looking like a four year plan, but again, they have the ace of spades on their team. They have Victor Wimbanyama, who is a generational talent. Who knows how good he can become, how fast, but with him and that core with Keldon Johnson. Vasell, I love. I didn't know much about him to this year. I thought his contract was outrageous. He can hoop. Sohan, again, he's getting crushed a little bit, but I love his game. He's like Devin Booker. He was putting a weird spot. Yeah, he's versatile. He's a guy that I think fits with that core. So when you look at the future of this team and the makeup outside Oklahoma City Thunder, they got the brightest future. They added a couple pieces. They added Dejante Murray. They go and get two other vet guys. Championship in two years. Two years. Hope I'm still alive. All right, moving on to the next one. We're just staring at Chandler. All of this goes on. Convince me that draft picks should have one veto, meaning they get drafted. They're like, nope, don't want to go to Memphis. Where do you want to go? It's tough because, again, these guys are getting paid a lot of money in their dreams. So the fact that they could get to do that is shocking. But you see the quarterback from USC, Caleb Williams. He's saying, I don't want to go to these teams. I want to go to these teams. Eli Manning did a whole thing. Again, at Women Yama, he's such a generational talent. He should have this somewhat of a say of where he goes, what marketing he wants to be. I think a lot of it would come down to a place that you want to live or situation on the court, obviously, or the two main things. Yeah, I mean, why not let them pick their dream scenario, their favorite team growing up, maybe even better there? It is funny how the prize for being the best player in the country is to go to the worst team for your next job. It's tough, though, but it's like the worst city or team, or not the city, but the worst team, but the most money. So it's like you got to give and take a little bit. It's like a head game in some way. Next up, convince us, overtime games should be decided by a one-on-one contest. I love this. I would rather watch a one-on-one game. You basically set aside your two best ISO players. We got the Mavericks against the Rockets. And we got Kyrie Irving playing one-on-one against Jalen Green. Like, I think that'd be way more exciting than a five minute overtime. If it's a Celtics game, it has to be Jason Tatum against Jalen Brock, because did you see them going one-on-one during the All-Star game? That was actually, that was probably the best part. That was the best part of the All-Star game. I forgot what she had made a couple of years ago. So let's think of the worst. I think they should do one-on-one and All-Star weekend, too. Like, forget the skills challenge. Forget that. There should be one-on-one. I would love to see Devon Booker play Jason Tatum one-on-one with a two-dribble max. You know what I mean? I don't need this. That's fun. I think they should do that. To what? What are you playing, too? To five. Like, again, one-on-one, you can get her. You don't want someone rolling ankle. That's a good point. Do you get a referee? Do you call your own fouls? Call your own fouls. That could never end, yeah. But I think it's way more exciting with overtime. Guys are tired. Guys have already fouled out. There's not the play. You know what I mean? I like this. Some will be better than others. Because some teams are like, I don't even want to watch this. One-on-ones, yeah. But we got to. That's the new rule, if we figure this out. Hey, like, who do they pick? Like, if the Nets go to overtime, do they pick like Cam Thomas instead of British? Because he's a better one-on-one player. Do you have a standing choice, or does it change depending on who you're playing? I think it changes depending on matchups. Call an audible. OK. No, I don't. If I pick Kari Irving and I'm Philly, do I pick Joelle B and just crush him? Yeah. That's unfair. I know. It's got to be like Joelle against Mike Joeper or something. Yeah. Joelle against Joe. There's a couple of kinks we got to figure out for this one, but I like it. Give us a week. We will come back to you with a fixed plan. Convince me that NBA players should see how there's a million. So celebrate dunks the way NFL players celebrate touchdowns. Oh, these are fantastic. I think they should do this. I think there should be after any dunk, any poster, any ankle break. I think they should pause the game and they should let them do their duggy or their gritty. I think they should be able to celebrate. I think it's entertaining. I think the views would be higher. The fans would love it. I think it's a fantastic idea. They get teed up so fast. No, but you can't. You can't. That's part of the rule is you don't get fined. You don't get a tactical foul. You just stop the game and you give everybody five seconds for a celebration. Five seconds is all you need. Those games would be long as anything. I don't hate this either. Well, calling a tee on Sunday is good. We should bring these to Adam. Well, I mean, we could give them a dream on. Yeah, we'll do it on his podcast. I mean, he could take them to Adam. All right, convince me the Pistons could beat this. This is rude. Could beat the Celtics in a best of seven series with a six on five advantage. Yeah, this one's mean. I mean, there's so many different ways you could go about this. You could keep the six-guide cherry pickin' and just play five on five. They could beat them five on five. This is ridiculous. The NBA players are so good. We talked about this yesterday. You know how good you have to be to be the worst player in the NBA? Tell people. I don't care how bad the Pistons are, their record. All of them will bust your ass if you think they're bad. So the fact that they'd get six and just could have someone double-teaming take them all game long or whatever, this is ridiculous. I would like to see it. The Pistons would sweep four up. Four up? No. Six on five? Yeah. I would like to see this. God, we need a sling later. This is offensive. And I won't stand for it. We'll not stand for the slander. Coming up, we're gonna go around the NBA preview a little bit of tonight's slate when Run It Back returns. Run it back, run it back, run it back, run it back. All right, we got some games tonight, believe it or not. Raptors, Lakers, Raptors, three and one, what? You're going again. You got a back to back. Who are you? Back to back to back. Butterfly? We're going tomorrow as well. OK, good. Well, then we're going to get to you in two seconds. RJ Barrett and Manuel Quickly, they're three and one. They got some scoring coming out of both those guys. We're not shocked, right? This was the plan. I mean, I'm a little shocked. This is a great start, but it's looking like it's worked for both. I like it. The nicks look good. The Raptors look good. I like the Lakers here, though. I like the Lakers at home. Shoms will be there again. I like it. I think they're too much. They're coming off a big win against the Clippers. What are you looking for when you go to these games? Going off script. Girlfriend. Absolutely not. That was rude. I hate jail or bars. Absolutely not. You're not slightly looking for a girlfriend. Absolutely not. You know what? If he was a woman, this would be considered a massage. Harassment? Absolutely not. No, no, no. I mean, to me, I want to see the vibe. I'm big on vibes, like body language. I agree. Characteristics, like what are you like the Lakers? Like they've been through a lot of turbulence, lost nine in the last 12, even after snapping that over the weekend. So I want to see how this team comes into the night's game. Can they have two wins in a row? And like Chandler said, I think the quickly addition at Point Guard and RJ Barrett, they needed a change up. Right? O'Jane and Obi had been there his whole career. I think they needed an infusion of offense. It really worked out for both sides. The nicks needed to get rid of some offense and bring in a defender. And the Raptors probably needed a change of pace. They definitely needed guard play after losing Fred Van Vleet. Now they bring in quickly. So it really was a win-win. So here's the question, because we've been talking about Pascal Siakum as possibly being traded for what seems like forever. Is there a chance that all of that's been reconsidered now with this new start? Potentially. But it all comes down to his future, right? Like the Raptors, as of yet, have not fully engaged with him on a counter extension or gotten an extension done. And any time you have a player on an expiring deal, it's all about value. Where you value that player? Do you value him or he values himself? Now if they can reach an extension agreement, then obviously then you keep them. And you go into the air and you have that six to eight month or six month window where you can't trade them. And you're kind of keeping him going into next season. But I think right now they're open minded. They're seeing what his value is. And it could also very well be that trade deadline comes and goes. Maybe they don't find a trade. And then they're kind of boxed in. You either extend him or you run the risk of losing him for nothing, which is what happened with Van Vleet. Which we've seen before. Chandler D'Angelo Russell did not talk to reporters on Sunday after that game. He had 13 points and 31 minutes obviously been moved to the bench. Is this the beginning of the end? I think he's the one to go if they do make a move. But again, I think Media blows this up. Maybe he had something at home. Maybe he wanted to get out of there. Or maybe he's frustrated in his times coming. He does not care what they think. He had something at home? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's got a girlfriend. Yeah, he's got to see. No, he actually does have a girlfriend. He probably did. OK, Ferna. No, I mean, listen, I think he's the one to go, I think, where they have Gabe Benson, who I think will be in the starting lineup when he's back. They move Austin Reeves back to the bench. I think that he is the obvious piece to go and get a Zach Levine, you know, one of these guys that we've talked about. Shout out, Daniel Russell. He came back 13 points. Yeah, he's three three-pointers the other night. I think if he can come in and make three or something, that's why you have him. True profession. Skipping as he skips media. Like, I know. I was like, you think he had something else to do. Sometimes you just don't want to talk to media. Gwynn, Luz. Did you ever ditch media by the way? Win or lose, we booze. He is kind of a jerk. Win or lose, we booze. Shoms, no matter what happens at the game tonight, we love you, and we can't wait to see you tomorrow. We'll be back in the morning. Run it back, run it up, and run it back, run it back, run it up, and run it back, y'all, y'all. Run it up, run it back, y'all, y'all.