 My name is Polly Erickson and I lead the research program at ILRI called the Stable Life Sack Systems. And so, I can't really say I had one aha moment. So I am the daughter of a gender sociologist and I grew up running around the halls of women's studies programs and sitting in the back of my mother's lectures on human sexuality and gender roles. But I never thought of myself as a person who did gender research. Obviously, I'm a woman who moved into STEM fields. So I was always aware of having a gender but I never really did gender in my research really until I came to ILRI and with the stick of programs and being asked to think more clearly about or in a more targeted fashion about why it was important to look at the differences between not just men and women but older people and younger people but particularly men and women. And so, I mean the evidence for me is completely compelling but the first time I really realized the value of that research was when a PhD student from Penn State named Kyla Yerco came here. She found us and she said I want to come do my research on how women manage the animals so how messiah women manage the animals that they have responsibility for and how that is completely different from how men manage those herds. And after a year of research she came back from the field and she had completely turned herd management models up on their heads. So the predominant understanding of how messiahs manage their herds was a very male view but when she actually she spent months following these women around understanding what they thought was important for milk production and it was just, so it was completely fascinating. That was the first time that I sort of had interaction with a young woman and then another young woman came, Juliet Karyuki, who also wanted to look at women's differential ability to benefit from payments for ecosystem services schemes. That was also completely fascinating. There it was a little bit less of a surprise but I think those two experiences made me much more receptive to then CCAP's funding a postdoc to come and do some specific research on women's ability to benefit from low emissions development schemes and that really set us off on this path and now I'm super committed to having gender research embedded in all of our environmental work.