 So we're here at IQ and who are you? Hi, I'm Nadia Ken from IQ Smart Clothing. So you make smart clothing? Yes. So right here this is a smart? Yeah, everything here we call the smart clothing and but this is one of the main projects that we are doing you call the bio monitoring. But it looks like a shirt. It is. I think our main purpose you know we don't want to put so many cables, wire and looks like this is designed for Superman but actually we try to make it become more simple, very normal and easy to wear. So here you have some examples and right here there's a sensor right here, flexible sensor. Yeah right, okay. And why do you connect? Okay, see for example this is a small bra. Okay, this is just a regular small bra. And the only difference now we just put it very soft sensor on the southern part position like this and contact skin. So we because we use the content of the fiber and content of the electro, then the electro content of skin. So can transfer the electricity from your skin and go through the snaps and go through the transmitter. So here's the battery and the sensor? The electronics. Yes and we all use okay so we put that here and here here just like a regular I think what we are doing here is we try to provide a very simple text size solution and to make it very easy to wear and also most important this is a washable okay. So washable? Yeah sure. Completely washable and here the man on where is the sensor and this one? This one here we put that here and here. And it's flexible? Yeah it must be flexible. So it's totally flexible this area? Yes right. But it's a sensor? We call it electro actually. Electro. Electro, same thing. So we still need to transmit the data for skin, go through my text size cable, go through the transmitter. So we use the Bluetooth or Wi-Fi then we go through the apps from your smartphone or smartwatches. So when you are doing the exercise I think the user is very easy to get the data. So in this how long is the battery life? What's the CPU? A secret? We don't call it a CPU. Actually this is a market module. Is it an ARM CPU? It's a tiny M0 class. M0 Cortex M0? Yeah Cortex M0 class. Nice. So very long battery? Yes. How long? About seven days at least. Seven days? For the normal usage. Who are you? I'm the CEO of the company, Max-Chan. So how old is your company? About seven years old? Seven years. What do you do for seven years? We start from, okay, to know what is the main market and what is the main application for the existing technology from IT. Then we bring the electronic and the technology to combine with my textile. All right, so because so far no one is available before you publish. Do you work seven years on smart closing? Yes. So always work on smart closing in the company? Yes. But actually we not just start from, okay, we start from zero for smart closing. However, we take advantage from my parent companies that 36 years vertical textile group. We also have our affiliate company for Metal Viber. So actually we are very complete the supply chain internally. So what do you show here? What is this? Okay, this is called the Stanley Steel Fiber. So this is how it works? Okay, this is the fiber actually made in Stanley Steel 316L. So we bring the features of the conductive and also high temperature resistant and also strong bending. So it shows here, is this Hydeworks? It is. This is a microscope? Yeah, right. For example, this is fiber just right here, okay. And the yellow line is the human health width. It's about 100 micro for the human health width. But the metal fiber is about 8 to 12. It's average about 10. So it's just randomly dispersed and then you can, how can you measure? It doesn't mean you get a better reading on the human skin. The best possible. This is, okay, this is okay, is a material. Okay, so we cannot do this exactly just like that. We have to, we can blend it with the cotton or polyester, become a cotton yarn. The yarn we've been knitting or woven as the fabric. Okay, so then become another, we call it electro. We are not using the other reading metal, but use the textile electrode by using this kind of thread. And so with that, there's a show here. What kind of sensing can you do? You can do, there's like a neon man. This is a bio man. What can you sense? So you can do heart rate? Okay, actually it's very subject to what kind of scenario, what kind of feature we need to go. Just as I say, clothing is a form factor to embed the new electrolyte sensing. So for example, we can, okay, sensing for heart rate, very fundamental for heart rate up to ECG or the other, if you want to go for some skin temperature or the other, even for heart rate in the future, even for blood pressure in the future with different sensing to now. Blood pressure? Blood pressure now would go for this, but you know there's a lot of PBG. So just as I say, smart clothing actually is the new platform, the new platform to integrate a lot of sensors to the body. So what can this one do? What do you have on this one? You have a? This one actually just say, we put on one of the businesses, one lit, one lit. Is it for heart rate? This one is for heart rate only. Heart rate only? But we change another device to go for another algorithm. Just another plug-in, another one? Yeah, another plug-in one. They can be for ECG or even for HRV, to take them out of stress. Variable heart rate? And the ECG is like in a hospital? Okay, not heart rate for something else. Yeah, yeah, but this is like, so it's heart related. Everything is heart related? This one is heart rate related for sure, because heart rate is more at entries level and very fundamental. But you go for something else, of course, okay? What can you do? What is the other things you can do? Oh, sure. For the longer term, for example, if you want to measure like the ECG, like you like to analyze, let's say the blood pressure, it's all possible. It depends on what type of sensor you apply to the clothing and how you measure that from your body. Humidity? That's possible. Temperature. Temperature? Yes. And actually more than that, consider this, if the energy harvest technology become more mature, then instead of using battery, we can actually put the energy harvest equipment on your clothing to generate the power. How? Two simple examples. One is for sure, solar. Put a tiny solar panel on your clothing. Where do you put it? Up here, on the back. Somewhere here? Yes. Flexible solar, right? Solar, yes. That's definitely possible. And you work with this already? We're already sourcing the possible vendor who are waiting to provide right size of the solar panel. Another possibility, because the vibration, the body temperature can also use as a source for energy harvest. So there can be vibration like in my watch? Yes, like your watch. But is it enough power for Cortex M0 Plus? Probably not. We need to redesign. So at this point, we quite focus on the textile. But once we move the next step, we'll start to redesign the device itself towards the right component vendor that need to be, the energy consumption need to be low enough to really adapt this type of... Cortex M0 Plus is the smallest one, right? I believe they're moving on. Maybe the Cortex M0 Plus Plus. Of course, yes, something like that. Cortex M0 Minus, what they would call it. So how about the temperature, variability, the body temperature compared to outside temperature can also generate power? Yes, that's possible as well. But how much power is enough? That at this point, I don't even have a clue how much power they can generate. So this looks great, but it looks like sports style. Are you going to put it in the polo shirt in a normal human, what's it called, daily clothes? Yeah, of course, just as I mentioned, because our specialty is clothing and textile. So for us, textile is our... Okay, we are very... We are handling it every day. And my parent company, we had 40 million pieces per year. So for the clothing, it's no problem at all. But the question is how we can integrate the proper sensing technology into the clothing, all right? Yeah, it's a better question. It's related with the usage model. Yes, right. Because this couple of products are for the hardware monitor. That's why it needs to be in the sport form. But everybody needs to monitor our heart, I think. It depends on when and how, right? I think all day, everybody. Right, I agree with you. So we do have some idea, for example, if you do that as a polo shirt, that you probably want to wear the ARs in your office, then we need to change the location of the sensor, need to change the usage model. So we probably need to work with device vendor on how that's going to be used. Because the clothes are the clothes, need to be very comfortable. Feets, wherever you want to go. Is Bluetooth low-energy is a good enough solution today? Oh, that's one of the choices. Yeah. It's always connecting. Or do people who buy this, they have issues, connection, or is it always okay? For our general customer feedback, Bluetooth is a good choice for personal use. But if you want to have the connectivity goes longer range. For example, right now, you can see some demonstration of Lora. They try to have a longer range. Or if you want to read it long, for example, 3G or LTE, that potentially could be another usage model. So we were not going to reject any communication interface. This really depends on your usage. And some companies doing Ant plus? Yes, good choice as well. Is low power different from Bluetooth, right? Yes, it's different from the main challenges. The N plus itself is slightly more proprietary, not so many devices able to interact. It's not in the phone? Yes, it's not in the phone, exactly. All right. So how about smart pans? Well, smart pans, not in my booth now. But you see, we go for different usage, as I say. For example, you can check at your EMG the muscle. And also in the future, we have the motion. So it's resulted to what kind of function features our partner customer is looking for. So we integrate another proper sensing technology and the sensor to go there. So it's just really subject to different kind of usage. So what's the status for smart closing in the world? Are you the best? Who's doing smart closing like a flexible sensor? It's not easy, right? It's, I think that we are somehow, as a pioneer, start to bring this product to the world as a real cross. That we hope that many people start to enjoy smart closing. From there, we really need more partners bringing the new sensors. And you are absolutely right. We need soft, flexible sensor or component into the closing. So the people are willing to wear them and very comfortable. And stylish? Yes. Nice style. You already have nice style clothes? Yeah, we say... The parent company have some stuff you can... Yeah, I think normally we always say that we have a six man factor is comfortable and washable, durable and reliable and affordable and fashionable. It has to be coming together. Okay, it has to go for everything like this. So I guess your company could be very busy in the future, right? And already busy. But you could be even more and more busy because there will be so many different styles. Everybody wants a different shirt. Nobody likes to have the same shirt as somebody else. That's right. So you need to do millions of different products. That's going to be a challenge. Absolutely, yes. I think one day all the shirts must be smart. I think that's our future goal. But we believe not just only us, but we try to bring this kind of concept and to looking for the real partner in the world. Okay, so we are the first one and we are very focused and concentrated to do this kind of research and make it really commercialized. So yeah, this is something we are doing. We don't want to do the super shirt for a superman, but we want to do a very simple and comfortable, user-friendly shirt for everybody. For simple men. For simple. For everybody. For normal men. I'm sorry. So how about here? It's integrated in the textile. Can you think of a solution where you add it to any normal shirt? You can stick it on. Yeah, sure. Does that make sense? Or is it better to... I mean, your whole technology is to merge it. How do you merge it with textile? I think you ask a very interesting question because for sure, there are so many different ways to make a good shirt or clothes. So we would always pick the right way to integrate. So which means you would not necessarily to be sold on or to be stick on or using a different process to fit it with the right clothes form. So there would be some standard ways to do it? And maybe sew, maybe stick, maybe... Yeah, there are right now there are so many different ways. Even as what you just mentioned, sew it on so that you can print it. So all the new technology can be bringing because that's already all in the nowadays the closing technology. You can print it? For example... This is printed electronics? You can see those three now but like those three characters, right? It's printed. But that's not a sensor. It's not a sensor. Can you print the sensor? Not yet today. I know now people are starting for E-printing but we must know what is the benefit for the E-printing. Then we bring these kind of good features to integrate my product. How about this part? Can you make this one flexible and print the sensor? We hope that happens soon. Hope that happens, right? Right, because we've been talking to many component and material manufacturers and try to... They don't know we need something soft and comfortable and flexible. Yes. Flexible battery, flexible energy harvesting. Flexible CPU. So everything on your body that you feel comfortable with. We want that to happen. So we're talking to everybody. Nice. Try to convince them. And this is going to be bigger than the iPhone, right? That's just what I'm saying. Because there are so many people who are close. Everybody. But not everybody needs an iPhone. Need a phone, yes. iPhone is just 20% of the market, you know? But the smart clothes, everybody. Cool. So a lot of things will happen in the near future with your company, right? And people can already buy this from your customer brands, right? Yes, right. Already have. Yeah, already have. Shipping big quantity or...? Actually just starting. Okay, just saying. We have to go... I think once the product is ready we still have the other period. We have some real field testing and marketing testing. So this is one thing quite different from the regular, you know, the textile. So, but we have to take this and we think we want to make it successful. We don't want them to jump into just shipping stuff. This is not the way we are going. It must be shipping very comfortable and really reliable. Where is your company based? Taiwan Taipei. Taipei. And how many people? Right now about 40 employees. 40, yes. So, but it can quickly expand if things go fast, right? Yes, yes. And we need talent from everywhere. From everywhere, all right. And clothes designers? Yes, fashion designers. Fashion designers. They can contact you now? They can all contact you and say I want to make my shirt smart, right? Yes, call us. What is the MOQ? Subject to the fabric. Just like the regular, the paramotor. Discussion. You need to buy many thousands? No, not really, not really. Okay, but we just say we try to make it really commercialization. It's not just a special made it, okay? It should be just very, very easy to get it just like you are doing the business like a regular. What's the price? Maybe. Price. Maybe retail price. What is the retail price? The retail price, you know, we don't fix the retail price because to be... Customer decide, right? But it can be what? Maybe 99, maybe more? Not for sport bra. Probably for the shirts. In the market price now is about $1.99 up to $2.99, $3.99 USD. So there's one shirt with one dungle with the abs. So that would be the current market price so far. All right, cool.