 I'd like to call this meeting of the Arlington Redevelopment Board to order. I'll just pull my agenda back up. This open meeting of the Arlington Redevelopment Board is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12, 2020, due to the current state of emergency and the Commonwealth due to the outbreak of the COVID-19 virus. In order to mitigate the transmission of the COVID-19 virus, we've been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to suspend public gatherings and, as such, the governor's order suspends the requirement of open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location. Further, all members of public bodies are allowed and encouraged to participate remotely. For this meeting, the Redevelopment Board is convening via Zoom as posted on the town's website identifying how the public may join. Please note that this meeting is being recorded and that some attendees are participating via video conference. Accordingly, please be aware not to share your screen, as other people may be able to see you. Anything that you broadcast may be captured by the recording. So I will take a roll call for attendance. Kim Lau, David Watson. Present. Jean Benson. Present. And I am Rachel Zenberry and I am here as well. Let's see. So, sorry, one second. What we can do is open up the individual hearings. Unfortunately, because there are only three of us this evening, we will not be able to vote on any of the, on any of the hearings on the agenda. So I do apologize to all. We will need to continue those to a, to a future meeting date, but we can certainly hold the hearings this evening. So with that being said, we'll open up the first docket of this evening, which is docket number 3638 400 to 402 Massachusetts Avenue. I believe that we have attorney and Nessie with us this evening. Yes, we do. Great. Before we do that as well. Yeah. I just wanted to be clear. If we open the hearings without members present, are they going to be able to vote when it comes to a vote. Good question. I don't believe that they will. They will, they will that what happens as it's happened in the past is we have a member who cannot be present, watch the recording. And then they come back to the next meeting when there's a time that the hearing has been continued. And they state that they've watched the hearing and the proceedings and then they're ready to vote. This has happened with many other hearings in the past on the board. Thank you for my time on the board. Thank you for the clarification today. Great. So I will just remind anyone who is presenting this evening we do have a full docket so if you could please keep your remarks to around five minutes. That would be appreciated. So we will turn over the believe attorney Nessie are you beginning for. Yes. Technical question. I may be wrong. But I was always under the impression that you had to have a quorum before you could conduct an official meeting. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Okay, but that was always my understanding. I'm a five member board. So my understanding would be that in order to have an official meeting that you would have to have four members present for the hearing. I want to go ahead with the hearing. Okay, but I don't want to be placed in a situation where we do it. And then we find out that it wasn't a legal meeting. So I don't know how we get clarification of that town council is probably not on the zoom. But that's always been my understanding maybe I'm wrong. Would you like me to clarify these three people is that would be a quorum of this board for people would be needed to vote on any special permits, as stated in 48. We can have a meeting which we have done in the past. If needed, we can have three people there cannot be any votes of special permits with four people present with it without four people present, however, and that has also happened before and we had to wait and continue a hearing. So legally you are allowed to continue this meeting. Should you wish to. I'm certainly willing to go ahead with it, you know, based upon that representation on the part of Jenny. If you are as well. Right. All right, just to recap where we were we've been before the board before. And we did have a an inkling from the board more than an inkling as to what the board thought they would be prepared to approve. And at that time, my understanding was that the board might have been a might have been in a position to approve three residential units we were looking for for just to recap a little bit of the history on the property itself. The property of course, as I think the zoning decision indicated, was the subject of a fire back around 1980. At that time, the building was rebuilt. So it wasn't the building that it was in 1790 or 1800. It was a totally different building when it was rebuilt in 1980. Now I've scoured the building department reports to see whether I could find any plans relating to the 1980 zoning decision. I have not been able to find any I did speak with Mike burn the building inspector, and I asked Mike whether he had any plans, going back to 1980 with respect to that decision. And he indicated to me that they did not surprisingly they had records from 1979 and 1981, but the records from 1980 could not be found. What he did provide to me was a card what would happen would be if there was any action taken by the zoning board. The, there would be a card generated by one of the members of the building inspection department, and a card was generated on June 3 of 1980. It would be Frank per scudo, who by the way had acquired the property shortly before that from the public covers. After the fire it occurred, and that card indicated that there could be reconstruction, every student, two story building for offices and apartments. He then had the zoning decision that occurred with respect to that card and the application that would have been filed. And these the zoning decision indicated that there could be two residential units and three office units. There have been two residential units, not more than two residential units as has been rumored around the town, based on what I'm hearing. Okay, but two residential units. The property has always been advertised with respect to it being the, the, the resident units to residential units with one parking space for each unit. And that's what is there now. I know this is an assessing record that shows more than that. I learned early long early on as a lawyer as a young attorney in this town doing zoning that one never relied on assessing records for the purpose of determining what the status of zoning was. So notwithstanding that the assessing record might say that there were more units than two, there are not. Okay, there were two units. There were three office units. And the three office units are as shown on the plans of Ken file. And by the way, the rent that we're getting for the, the two residential units would be $1,600 a month. And I would suggest to the members of the board that $1,600 a month is what the going rate is for a one bedroom unit, not a two bedroom unit, a two bedroom unit in this town would demand more than $1,600 a month. I don't know that to be the case, because I have a building where I have, I have two residential units and $1,600 a month is the going rent. So, Mr. Nessie, I just want to let you know you have just about a minute. You could try and make sure that all your points are made that would be great. Say again, you have about a minute left if you could try and. What I'm going to do is ask, let me just generally, I wanted to get that out, because something had been submitted to the board. Okay, that I think is inaccurate. Okay. But let me just say this, we've made changes to plan. Ken file is going to talk about the changes. Okay, about the bicycle storage area that's going to be located in the building in a different location. So we're going to have six spaces inside three spaces outside. We're going to have Washington washes and dryers. Again, we're asking for four units, not three. Okay. And the reason for that is I go back to what I argued before, and that is the difficulty in renting office units in the town. So why don't you jump in and talk about what you're showing on the plan, and what has changed on the plan from what had been submitted before. Sure. Sorry, before you begin, if you could just be sustained your, your team is definitely over the five minute allotment I do want you to be able to make your points but please, if you could do so succinctly that would be fantastic. I would love to so I'll do that right now. If we could go to sheet a 101 the second page please. What we continue to show is a covered trash enclosure at the, at the rear of the building. We continue to show the three exterior bike racks for temporary use. And we have relocated the bikes storage to the first floor on the left hand side with its own entry. The owner has reduced the rentable square footage to allow that to happen. And we have also flipped the living room and bedroom in the basement apartment as per recommendations by the board and we have added in the new apartments, washers and dryers in each unit. And I mistakenly have labeled the upper level of this of this building as a third story third floor but it actually should be called the half. It's the attic half story. The floor on a 101. And that is. That's what I have to say. Can I just add something. Oh yes the electric charging station and we fail I failed to show the electric charging station that we had previously shown on other drawings and into the board. And that would be located just below parking spot number two against the building by the washer and dryer. Correct right there on the exterior right where the pointer is now my apologies for the drafting error. May I add something Rachel. Sure if you could conclude that would be great very quickly. We are offering transportation management act. Not concessions but advantages as well. The indoor parking of course okay the bicycle parking. The charging station. And we are also going to, and by the way we don't have to do that because if you read the report from the planning department. That report indicated that we did not have to gain relief for for parking okay, but we're going to offer that anyway in addition we're going to offer a shower in the office unit. Can I just point that out to you because we're asking for four units, we don't think we can make it happen with three economically, we've tried. The Kudo family at a day to massive has all one bedroom units they're very familiar with that. They know what they can do with the one bedroom units, but they're not able to do anything appreciable with office units at this point. If the work goes back to the zoning Board of Appeal, then you folks see jurisdiction to the zoning Board of Appeals at that point, and we're stuck with what we have what we have is two units residential and the three office units, we would rather be before the committee because we think that's where the jurisdiction ought to be. So we're asking that the board reconsider what their thoughts were at the last hearing, and think about the possibility of giving us the four residential units which I think the planning department memo had recommended. Okay, give us the four residential units and one office unit. I will now open it up to the board for any questions will will include our discussion following public comments. Start with starting with Jean do you have any questions on the new material that was submitted this evening. I have no questions on the initial. Thank you. Thank you, David do you have any questions on the new materials submitted. I also have no questions on the new material. Great. Thank you very much. So we will now open this up for public comments. Any members of the public wishing to speak and comment on this proposal please use the raised hand function, which is under the participants button at the bottom of your zoom screen. I will call on you in the order of hands that are raised. When you're called on please remember to state your name first and last for the record, as well as your address please. And the first speaker this evening will be Don Seltzer. Remind you have a three minutes to speak. Thank you. Thank you madam chair Don Seltzer Irving street. I have some slides submitted. I appreciate if they could be put up at this time. This is a follow up to my previous remarks regarding the problems with this property and the 1980 special permit. I put together the paper trail of relevant permits related to the renovation. I've distributed the information of these slides, the board, I hope they can be put up. So I'll just hit upon the high points and answer any questions as to the specifics. 400 mass have was built in 1799. As a two story federal style house. If my slides were being put up, you could see what it looked like in 1973. It had a simple gabled roof with no dormers. It was in 1978 it was damaged by fire. The owner at that time took out a permit to repair damages, but it seemed that very little work was actually done. A little more than a year later it was sold for $48,000 to its current owner, who immediately applied for a special permit for renovation from the zoning board. My slide was up there and call attention to the specific details in the special permit. It allowed to one bedroom apartments on the second floor and three professional offices below. The gross area calculations that are shown in the permit were for this first and second floors and the basement. So third floor area specified the floor area ratio was claimed to be 0.74 just within the bylaw limit of 0.75 parking was computed on the basis of two one bedroom apartments. Now if we move ahead to 1996. Again, I have a slide which showed it looks like in the historical inventory survey. Sometime after the 1980 special permit the present owner of 400 mass have added dormers in front. The roof was raised in the rear and skylights added. It expanded both of the one bedroom apartments on the second floor up to the third floor, converting them to two bedrooms, and in fact they have been advertised in the past as two bedroom apartments. The ratio increased from 0.7 to 4.74 to 1.2. The required parking would have increased by conversion from the two one bedroom units to two two bedroom units. There were no building permits taken out for any of this reconstruction. The applicant did not go back to the zoning board to ask permission for revising the original special permit. Here the zoning board transferred jurisdiction to the redevelopment board. This is your problem now to deal with the buck stops here. I'd be glad to answer any questions on the details of the history. Thank you, Mr. Seltzer. I'll just state that where we are now, the board is looking at this, the current configuration is a pre existing non conforming use and is going to be reviewing the case specifically the change in terms of the the change of use only as we are during this hearing that is that is the purview that we are that we are currently working under right now. The next speaker will be. Oh sorry, Jean. Thank you. I couldn't see you up on the screen. Okay. I just have a question to ask. Mr. Seltzer, one of the previous meetings. I asked if you were going to report what you would found to inspectional services and I believe you said you were putting together the materials to do that I just wonder if you have done that. And if so, if you've gotten a response. I have sent this information both to the zoning board of appeals and inspectional services. I have gotten responses from Christian kind of the ZBA in fact he was kind enough to provide me with the historical inventory records which provided the two photographs which I hope would have been put up but for some reason. I did not see them being shared on the screen. So I thank Christian for that and he's taken an interest. I have gotten no response whatsoever from inspectional services. And I should say that while your images were not up on the screen we all did have a chance to see them before the meeting so I will appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker this evening will be calling cutting him. Hi, it's actually Stuart Morrison Colleen's husband Colleen is here with me too. So I'll just start with a quick joke. Could you please state your address for the record. Oh yeah sure Stuart Morrison Kensington Park. You know just a quick joke and that is just simply, you know if I go to Wall Street if I go to my broker and I buy $1,000 worth of some stock and then it tanks. I think I'd like to turn to the town of Arlington to see if I can get them to reimburse me for my for my investment. But seriously, the, the, the, the, the, the, the lawyer here is basically saying he's representing the economic interest of his clients which is fair enough. The economic interest of his client is a short term sort of interest of his he wants to maximize his profit which I guess is how you know our society is set up. And that's, that's fine. The, the job of a town body like yourself and I'm sure you know this I'm just, you know, trying to give you some backup is to keep an eye on the long term interest of the town and the long term interest of the town. You know is reflected in the zoning codes, and the zoning codes are there because we want to have something like a, a downtown area that has offices so that people can have, you know professionals have places to work out of here in Arlington. We all recognize that COVID is put a crimp in that for the last kind of, you know, may put a crimp in it for the next year or two. But the interest of Arlington needs to be represented by this body and the interests of Arlington are long term interests like are we going to have a vibrant downtown in 20 years or 50 years. And if everything that we have gets turned into residences based on the short term interests of property speculators and that's bad for all of us. So that's all I have to say and thank you very much. Thank you. The next speaker will be Chris already. Thank you madam chair Chris already Adam street can you hear me okay. Yes we can. Just a few quick points one I just want to reiterate again that a four unit apartment building is not allowed in the be one zoning district. And I would like to remind the board of the decision that the court made in Darlo versus the ARB this fall. Unfortunately, the, the folks in that case chose the wrong attorney and for procedural reasons it was it was the case was dismissed. The judge did note that the ARB represented to town meeting that it would not be permitting prohibited uses in as part of mixed use developments and that's the judges reading on that and I think the board needs to specifically take that into account. The other thing I would add is that last August town council provided some memo that seemed to suggest that the board could very liberally interpret the zoning by law to allow violations. I took a look at the case law he cited in that memo, and I could not find one case where the court said that boards like the planning board or zoning board of appeals could allow a violation of the zoning by law unless explicitly authorized, or were contemplated by the zoning by law. And I don't see that at all in this case. I thank Mr. Seltzer for his demonstration that the floor area ratio is currently being violated. And there is no protection for that if that was done without a permit. So the fact that it's a it is not a pre existing non conforming use it is simply a non conforming non conforming use, and the board to not be sanctifying those sorts of non conforming uses by granting a special permit. I would just like to close with one question madam chair and I realize this may not be fair since one of your members is missing. And I would like to know whether any members of the board have had any ex parte communications with the applicant, or his team, or their team I should say, since the last meeting and if so if they could report on them. Thank you. I would remind Mr. already and everyone, first of all that the case that was referenced was was was dismissed and second that the board does not conduct ex parte communication. There there I know that I have had no discussions with with the with the with the applicants prior or prior to this meeting outside of this. And we do report on anything that has been requested during a meeting to be followed up on with the applicants, which is all in front of as part of public record. The next speaker will be Steve rebelec. Hello, Madam chair, Steve rebelec 111 Sunday side Avenue. Just a one one comment I would like to make this past fall. I took a number of courses with the citizen planner training collaborative, you know, new ZBA member and these seemed, you know, pretty useful so I took a number of courses, including one on vested rights and non and pre existing non conformities. One of the things I recall from that was, you know, and I don't know if this comes from, you know, state law or case law and I have not done the due diligence to to sort of follow it through. But my understanding is that after 10 years and unpermitted modification would be treated as a pre existing non conformity. So it's basically a, a, it's almost effective, effectively like a statute of limitations. You know, on doing work without a permit. Now, I mean, it's, if that was done in the past, it's unfortunate, but if there is a statute of limitations and that's expired. It's kind of water run over the dam at this point. That is all thank you madam chair. Thank you Mr rebelec. Any, any other member of the public wishing to speak. All right, I see that Chris already has his hand up if you have any different questions for the applicant will entertain those at this at this time. All right, seeing none, we will close public comments. If I could, Rachel, please. Mr rebelec mentioned that 10 year statute of limitations. That is chapter 40 a section seven and he's correct. That's what the statute says. Thank you for the clarification. Rachel, please. One is Mr warden was waving his hand. I'm sorry I can't see. Okay, but before, but before and I know, yeah, he just his video is on so I can see that but also just to emphasize this point. It is past the statute of limitations as well as the fact that it's at this point, as you've stated in the beginning, we are we would look at at this particular case is a preexisting non conforming situation that's that is the way that it is right now. And further I will, I will add to what you mentioned in the beginning which set this particular property became part of an historic district but not until 1996 so the records that have been referenced previously by one of the speakers are important but do not necessarily illustrate the some of the points that this person is making if they would like to make it more clearly with regard to something that they think is not accurate or legal. It has been demonstrated and proven, which we do not have before us right now. And further the case that was decided by the ZBA in 1980 made it very clear what they could build and how high they could build and they are still in compliance with that. Thank you for the clarifications journey I appreciate it. Okay, Mr warden. I want to thank you madam chairman john word and Jason speak. And we couldn't find the raise hand list of people had sort of disappeared from our screen so that's why I was. I really I was raised a real hand, just like we're in a real town meeting or a real hearing that I just want to make this point. The applicants attorney has made an economic argument unless you give him all these apartments whatever he wants three or four. It's just not economically viable for him, but he says these things and I've heard these things before, but what are the numbers. What, what does it take to make it viable. And I think without having some real numbers of a spreadsheet, and so on the rents the cost of all so on so forth. It's just words, maybe this guy's got to be make himself a millionaire out of this building. We don't know. I think for the board to base any part of his decision on the fact that some lawyer comes in and says he won't make enough money with the building the way it is. I don't think that's right he says we're only charging $1,600 a month for rent. Well, why don't you increase the rent. But without without some numbers we don't know it's just his speculation it's like, you know, Mr previous speaker said he invests $1,000. And, and the same goes bus well suppose it doesn't go bus but after 10 years it's only worth $1,100. Should he go to the town and complain say hey, I should have made a bigger profit than that, but I'm not going to tell you what it should be. No, it doesn't work that way. If you want to base your, your plea or your permit application on on what is the reasonable return. I don't think the board should do it without having some numbers in front of them. Thank you. Thank you, Mr Warden. Seeing no further members of the public wishing to speak I will close public comment and David and Jean. I, I wanted to see if you had any further points of discussion before we continue this to next week. I personally, my feelings on this project remain as they, they were before but I would ask both of you to let me know if there's anything that you'd like to discuss before we move to continue David. I also have not changed my feelings on the project, although I have to say I do appreciate the efforts that the component has made to respond to many of the comments that we had previously made. I also do appreciate the material that Mr Seltzer brought forward, but I think as we've heard that doesn't tell the whole story of what has happened and then and what it means from a legal perspective over the last several decades. So that's where I am at the moment. Thank you David Jean. And I agree with David and Rachel. Great. Thank you. Do we hear a motion to continue this to if the future hearing date Jenny I would assume it would be the March 1. Yeah, March 1. It's the next time we need next Monday. Attorney Nessie does that work for you. And again I apologize that we are not able to close this out this evening. Mr Nessie is Ken. Cynthia Pesciuto I'll answer yes that it's fine for the continuance thank you. Thank you very much I appreciate it. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Can you hear me now Rachel. No I can yes thank you. I have another hearing on March 1. I don't mind having two on the same evening. If that's what you folks would like to do. What would be March 1 or we'd have to move it out to a to a date later than than March 1. So that's really up to you. Go with March 1. Okay. Thank you. David or Jean do I hear a motion to continue the hearing to March 1. Second. We'll take a roll call vote. David. Yes. Jean. Yes. And I am a yes as well. This hearing will be continued on March 1. Thank you. Thank you very much. The next item on our agenda is 1420 Massachusetts Avenue. We will be opening this hearing. This is for the reconstruction of the citizens bank property in Arlington Heights. And do we have a representative for this case here. Madam chair, my name is Dick Keshen. I'm an attorney in currently in Lexington, but formally for decades, located on Mass Ave in Arlington. The developer beer briar development and Len beer briar, the principle of beer buyer development. I would like to introduce the team that I have brought to you this evening to explain the project in whatever detail is acceptable to the board. I want to just point out a few things. A bit of irony is that in 1977 I happened to represent the then bank that applied for the original permit for operating a bank at 1420 Mass Ave. It's unusual only because I'm still only 30 years old. But that having been said, I do want to point out something about beer briar development. I have represented Len beer briar for over 25 years in his work here in Arlington. And there's one thing I can say with absolute confidence is that he has upheld every promise he's ever made written or unwritten relative to any of his activities in Arlington. With that, I would like to identify and introduce the team members. Tom Godfrey is the owner's representative here, who will give you an overall view of the project of revitalizing this location. Randy Myron from Bola Engineering is a land development consultant. His firm has offices all up and down the East Coast, and he's been responsible for several projects here in Arlington. And Doug Grunit is the architect of record for the project. And as a point of reference, he also was the architect architect that developed the CVS in Arlington. He is the senior project manager of his company. And with that, I'll turn it over to Tom to give you an overview of the project. Thank you. And if I could just ask again because we do have a pretty full agenda, if you could try and keep your presentation to five minutes and the high points, we will certainly have questions for you and can get into many of the details during that time as well. Great. Thank you, madam chair board members. Tom Godfrey, I will pick up with my dick left off and try to touch on the highlights of the proposed development. The site has operated as a bank on this site since 1977 in the special perm under the special permit that dick obtained back then. The site also benefits from a signage special permit that was granted in 1983. Citizens Bank recently signed a new long term lease on the property. And they received federal and state approval to build a new bank branch there and close temporarily while the bank branch is being constructed. Currently, the gross square footage totals about 4200 square feet. That includes square footage in the basement as well as some canopies. The new proposed building totals about 2400 square feet single story. The current building has really reached the end of its useful life. It's not compliant with ADA. There's no public restrooms. So the plan is to build them a new building, essentially in the same location and the same finish floor elevation that exists today. The goals in designing the project have been to minimize the disruption to the site and obviously decrease the massing and the scale of the building while maintaining the perimeter of the site and limiting disturbance. So the plan has been to kind of leave from the curb area out as is, and then the inner area around the curb line where the building would get demolished we would rebuild it right in its place. So that would be the limits of work that we're talking about. Now, for myself, we've designed a signature element in the glass entry way, which is on the front right corner of the building. One side faces Mass Ave. The other faces the parking area. The feature is about one and a half stories tall, a little higher roof line than the rest of the building has floated a ceiling glass with some wood accents. We've got a couple of windows on the Mass Ave side that line up with some of the public rooms on the inside. The entire building is wrapped with a cultured stone water table. And then to the architectural element there, we've incorporated a pocket park, which sits between the building and Mass Ave itself. We're trying to create some visual interest and create a strong link between the building and the pedestrians on the sidewalk. It's oval in shape. It has a very wide opening onto the sidewalk incorporates a small retaining wall that contains some seating has a few stairs that goes up to the entrance feature and the front door. And then just off of that pocket park we have our two short term bicycle parking spaces we recently updated the style of those we had originally proposed a wave style. And we've changed that spec so that it's more of a hoop style, so that's in accordance with the parking bike parking guidelines. There's a new ADA compliant access way that also leads up to the front entrance over by the existing sign. The existing walkway ADA is not compliant that will provide for a second means of pedestrian egress up to the building the building sits at about 304 feet above Mass Ave. The ADA path has to meander a little bit to get up there to be compliant. The parking area will remain exactly as is in the same location the same number that exists today vehicle entrance and traffic flow will remain the same. We want to maintain the 15 parking spaces that we have on site today. In fact, they anticipate that they could have as many as nine or 10 employees in the building at one time. That would leave us approximately five spaces for customers around the building, especially in the front around the ADA access way in the pocket park will be enhancing the landscaping. In terms of utilities we plan to reuse and upgrade everything that's there today will be increasing open space slightly from 23% to 28% and we've incorporated a new stormwater depression in the back of the building in the landscaped area. That's designed to capture all of our roof run off and provide some infiltration on the site signage we have submitted a full signage package to the board. The existing site signage will remain as is and we've got an updated building signage package which is before the board. One dimension in there one of the window signs that citizens is proposing did not have dimensions on it that sign is 77 inches high by 73 inches wide that's a vinyl window sign which is on the inside of the building. Those are the highlights of the proposed plan I'd be happy to answer any questions that the board may have or I can always defer to our civil engineer. Thank you. Thank you I appreciate it. We'll start with David. Any questions for the team. Yes, thank you for the presentation. I certainly like the addition of additional open space and and the pocket park. And I think overall I think the design of the building is is attractive. I'm curious about the decision to orient essentially the, the front of the building to the parking lot, rather than to the street, especially since this this is a pedestrian area, and it's one in one of our business districts where we're trying to encourage a pedestrian orientation and buildings. I'll try to address that the, like I mentioned the site the building itself sits about three or four feet above mass have today. So today, for handicapped accessible for ramp to get into the building obviously the front door today has three or four steps to get into the building. And the only way you can enter the building from the parking lot today is to go through a rare entrance in the back of the building. The orientation of the entrance feature is such that it's focused obviously on Mass Ave, but also to the parking area to the side, and our handicapped ramp comes up from the sidewalk on Mass Ave. And it enters around it meets up with the stairs coming off the pocket park, and then continues to raise up in grade, compliant grade, till we get to the side of the building, where we just hit the grade and compliance for ADA. So the front of the building where the glass feature is. You would not be able to have a doorway at grade at that location. I don't believe we can do a compliant access to that location. I really encourage you to think about that because it as nice as it is with all the glass, it does feel like this kind of blank wall along the pedestrian zone. And it doesn't seem particularly inviting and really the orientation of the building to me makes it more automobile centric than then person centric. And I'd encourage you to think some more about that and if there's a way to bring more focus to the front of the building and perhaps create an entrance there without losing the accessibility of the other entrance, certainly. Other questions I had. I did share you on with regard to the number of parking spaces and the potential number of employees. There is on street parking available in this area, however, and since you you have shown an interest in in expanding the amount of open space on the property. I would urge you to consider reducing the number of parking spaces because you've got almost twice as many as you're required to have right now. Given that there is ample on street parking available in in the area. And that could potentially make the site even more attractive. Also, I think you did mention that you have changed the design of the outdoor bicycle rack to be compliant with our bicycle parking guide. But I wanted to ask whether or what your plan was for complying with the requirement for long term bicycle parking. Yes, citizens has agreed to provide one long term bike parking space on the inside of the building. In addition to the two that we show long term off of the pocket pocket park in the front. Okay, I think that meets the requirement. And can you tell us any more about where that would be in the building or how it would be accessed. They do not have full building plans on the inside yet, but I believe it potentially could be in the break room. Obviously, it can't be a long term spot for overnight storage other than employees, public would not be allowed to store anything overnight. That's understood understood. So is is the intention at some point to provide detailed interior plans to the board. We have a floor plan currently that we could share, but it would not be a final plan. That's helpful. I think just to jump in a little I think that would David you're you're looking for something to understand how somebody would bring their bike into the building in a in an unobstructed way. Right and also with respect to my question about an entrance at the front of the building and the relationship to the test to the pedestrian environment. To make sure I understand the interior layout of the building and how it relates to, to the, to the front and the entrances. Any other questions David. Oh, one about signage. I think you were showing signage on on the building on three sides. And my question was, whether it was really necessary to have the additional free standing sign which is somewhat sizable. Those were all my questions. I can address that I believe we have removed one of the building signs to the south on the drive through side has been removed. So we just have the signage that is on the entrance feature and the two site signs that I mentioned would remain as is great. Thank you David and thank you for the answers to the questions Tom. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you for the presentation. I'll start by saying that I have the same concerns that were expressed by David and were expressed in the public memorandum by staff about how the building is oriented toward the street. Whether it meets either the letter or the spirit of what we're looking for, it looks like a side more like a side of a building with a fairly big blank wall so I'd also ask that you reconsider that. Existing spaces. I think if you had taken a look and maybe you probably have at the staff memo. It indicates that if you remove some spaces that would be the ability or maybe the ability to provide a buffer to the parking lot in compliance with the zoning bylaw to the residential so I think it would be one thing to consider a modification of the buffer when there are a certain amount of spaces required and you couldn't meet it but if there are a few spaces required and you removed some of the 15 spaces to be able to meet the buffer. That would be a reason not to give you a waiver of that requirement. It would also allow for some more green space, some more trees in the back so I'm looking for a reconsideration of exceeding the minimum requirements for parking. I just mentioned to that I think I would want the DPW to sign off on the stormwater plan that you've proposed and to determine whether it requires maintenance and whether we should require any security for that. So it would require you going to public works. Um, I was, I was very disappointed in the lead score. So a new bank building should be able to at least do silver if not gold, and you're very far from that. And you're required by the bylaw to include a narrative of how you're getting there, and you didn't do it so I think that requires a redo. I would like the bank to consider the possibility of solar on the roof as part of that. There should be the possibility of street trees out front and you probably want to talk to the tree warden about the possibility of planting some street trees out front. And that's what I've got. If you want to respond to any of those, I'd be happy to hear the response. Yeah, some of them obviously I can't respond to right of way but you know what we've tried to do, especially on the street trees we've got one large tree that we're trying to maintain and work around that exists on the front of the site with work the handicap ramp around it one way and inserted the pocket park on the other. I believe historically there's been some issues with street trees along this front edge and destroying the sidewalk. And there's only a small strip I believe available for street trees we can look at planting a tree or two. But we're limited in terms of what we've got remaining after we laid out the pocket park itself. There's not a lot of excess room there for tree plantings. That's why I suggested a consultation with the town's tree warden. Great. Thank you. Jean Tom did you have any anything else you wanted to. Not directly at this. Tom, if you were I'd like to actually address something about the front entry to the board. The record by name is Doug runner with BK architects were the architect of record. And I just like to point out that the decision to put the doors where they are also tends to be more excessively compliant, ADA, I'm sorry, mab typically requires the entry doors be located as close to the accessible parking as possible. If we run it around the corner, we'd be not in compliance with that. In addition, the grading challenges are also what is creating a difficulty putting the doors right on mass have as well. Thank you. Rachel. Yes, I think my comment with respect to the location of the doors was not to move them, but to explore having an additional entrance that was facing the streets. Thank you for the clarification, David. And I would agree. I, I can't see a plan or a facade that does not have an entrance off of Mass Ave. This is a very heavily pedestrian area that there is a crosswalk right in front of your, your building. And to have a side, basically the side of a building, not face or facing Mass Ave with with no entrance is, is not something that really would work in, in, in this, in this business district. I think in addition to having an entrance on the side of Mass Ave. As you look at that facade as well. Again, it looks like the side of a building so looking at not only that, if you keep the current, the current way that the building is designed with the, with the glass element on the, the right, the right side of the building, looking at how you also articulate the left side of the building in terms of ensuring that there is an element so that that doesn't look like again the, the, the back, back of house which I'm sure is, is what it is, but ensuring that you have an architectural element to complete the, the building that faces Mass Ave would be important to see in the next, the next time you come in front of us. I would say that I, I do appreciate the fact that you are making this building and the entire site accessible I think that's incredibly important and I also think though that it's important that it, that it interacts with the, with the neighborhood. Thank you, and you are correct in that front left corner of the building by the ATM there is a bit of a back of a house operation there. We've tried to strategically place those front windows so that they are in public rooms, meeting rooms, conference rooms, things like that. So, I won't say difficult but doesn't function well to have any windows in and around that corner where it might be the ATM or a cash counting room or things like that. I certainly appreciate that. I, and I'm certainly not asking for windows but I think if you take a look at, at what architectural elements you might be able to, to integrate into into that to basically terminate the building on that, you know, perhaps there's a vertical change in, in material or in plane, but in some way I'd like to see that thought finished. Yeah, we can work on something architecturally on the exterior, other than windows that might provides more interest on that end. Great, thank you. So that's, I agree with my colleagues, thoughts at questions and comments. That's all I wanted to add at this time I'd love to open this up to public comment unless David or Jean you have any further questions at this time. I just, I just wanted to second Jean's comments about the lead checklist. I think you did mention in the narrative that sustainability was one of the guiding principles of, of the new design and I was also disappointed with lead score. I'm sure when they come back and we get a new list of the signs with locations and the sizes I think that would be helpful. Sure. Jean, before we continue the hearing I'll run through the full list that I've created of asks from the, from the board so that we're all clear on what the expectations are. Thanks. So, so at this time I'll open the floor up for public comment. Anyone wishing to speak with a question or, or comment please use the raise hand function and the participant section at the bottom of zoom. When I call on you you will have three minutes to speak please introduce yourself by first and last name and address. So the first person to speak this evening will be Eliza Burden. Thank you Eliza Burden 44 Brentwood Road. I am also one of the co chairs of the Arlington tree committee so thank you for talking about trees. Just a couple of ideas from regarding trees with new developments we're always hoping that you can begin to mitigate the heat island effect in any parking lots. So trees are a wonderful way of doing that. In terms of this property perhaps the left side of the building could in the front there could be a tree planted that would give that architectural element on the left side, and also in the back garden. I think it's assumed that there's also opportunities for tree plantings probably better idea for trees than a lawn in the back area. So, any way to work in a tree or two or three is is all positive for the site as a whole, and more sustainable. Any questions, feel free to ask them. Thank you I appreciate it. The next speaker will be calling cutting him which I believe is actually stored. Yes, thank you. I promised calling I'd be positive and so. I'm happy about that. I'm going to say if you could please state your, your name and address for the record again or store course in Kensington Park 73. I want to just echo what what David wants and and Eugene Benson said I wholeheartedly agree with what they said this building. I'm glad that it's a commercial building in a commercial area, first of all, after the last item on the docket. So it's good to see a commercial building in a commercial area, it's good to see a building that isn't going to grow to be grotesquely large so that's But this looks to me like they just took the cookie cutter plan that they plant everywhere including in suburban areas like like Burlington and Framingham and they just plunked it right into Arlington. And as you guys noted they oriented the front of the building to the parking lot, as if this was next to the Burlington mall. And, and I saw one of the drawings Highland Avenue being called out as one of the streets, which, you know again says that maybe they just took a drawing and they cut and pasted it into this so I agree that the architects should actually try to design an urban building for a walkable part of Arlington, you know, Arlington Heights this is a business district in a fairly busy town, and from the building should be the main part of the building. I appreciate the want to, you know, maintain handicap accessibility and that can be done by wrapping the facade the interesting facade of the building rounds to the parking lot, because otherwise what they have right now looks like the side of a warehouse. And then finally my wife reminded me that she agrees wholeheartedly with Eugene and solar would be a nice thing to put on the flat roof of this building it's calling out for solar cells and you know lead certification. Come on Citizens Bank they have money they can do better. Thank you very much. Thank you for your comments. Is there any other member of the public wishing to speak on this topic tonight and I'll run through the see anyone raising their hand either. So seeing none we will close public comments on this agenda item. Sorry, please Jenny Susan stamps I think is just clapping. I believe she may want want to speak. Oh was I clapping I'm sorry. It's a hand. I apologize I didn't see your video on my apologies. No, no, no problem. Thank you. I got too many things going on right here. Um, I just wanted to. Please introduce yourself by first last name and address. Thank you. Susan stamps 39 grafting street town meeting member and also a member of the tree committee, not speaking on behalf of the tree committee. I would echo what Eliza burden said in terms of adding more trees and also looking at the site design. I see that there is a lot of greenery but they're all low bushes. The town has many sustainable and regenerative policies, which it's developing and statements and resolutions and statements of intent for being a green community and going forward and dealing with climate change. It seems to me that the redevelopment board is in a great position to use their rules and regulations and lead to insist that any redevelopment or new development have a lot of trees. There are many places on that site plan where there are low bushes which look nice but they really do almost nothing in terms of capturing carbon for the town and giving people shade. And so this is something that's relatively new and to be thinking about it's it's really important when a developer is putting so much money into a brand new project. And it is 2021 and we're in the just come off of the last several years of being the hottest years on record that to not require mitigation of heat in every way possible, just doesn't seem like the best policy so I would encourage the government forward and we will, I know we will be having conversations about this going forward but here is a development right in front of you where there are things that can be done there. Break up the asphalt in the parking lot put in some trees, you don't need all that parking space, get creative thinking, and that is all I have to say, thank you appreciate you guys listening. Thank you very much. Okay, any, any other members of the public wishing to speak. I don't see any other hands waving at me either so I'm going to close public comment. Let's see so why don't I do this why don't I run through the list of items that I've captured so far from David Jean and myself that we'd like to to see addressed before, before this comes back in front of us. And then David and Jean I'll open it up to see if there's anything else that I may have missed. So I have, we would like you to look at reorient reorienting the building entrance to face Massachusetts Avenue, or perhaps adding a second entrance but an entrance needs to be on Mass Ave. We also need to look at completing the entire facade to ensure that it is a major facade of the of the building architecturally. We'd like you to look at potentially reducing the parking for the amount that's actually needed for the bank operations and customer needs. In doing so look at meeting or exceeding the rear site buffer buffer requirement. We'd like you to provide an interior layout so that again we can see how this this building engages with Mass Ave, as well as the way that the bikes are brought into the building for long term storage. We'd like you to review the lead checklist and see if you can increase your your score based beyond what's currently shown. We'd like a new sign plan with there were several revisions that were mentioned so we'd like those all to be reflected in the most current sign signage plan. And we'd like you to review opportunities for additional tree planting. Jean and David what did I miss anything. You didn't miss anything but you know sometimes we asked for detailed planting plans and I just wonder if we should ask you one a year. I think that they're Jenny, correct me if I'm wrong I know that there was a, this was a very thorough application, and I thought I saw planting plan but I may have, I may have missed it. There is a plan and then and there's also a full sign package in there as well at the end. Yeah, the end of the document. So, is there something more that you want in either of those. Signage plan probably want an updated landscaping plan based on this conversation. But yeah. An updated signage plan because there were a couple of changes noted during the discussion. Okay. So you just, you just want to see an updated updated sign and landscaping plans got Aaron did you want to, was that clarification. Good. I'm sorry, David can, can you just let Aaron answer question first. Sorry. An updated signage plan was submitted. It was not in the combined document because it was submitted afterwards and I didn't want to, as it was already posted I didn't want to mess anything up or confuse anyone that was looking at stuff so there is an updated sign that I think spoke to all of the questions that came in during this hearing, namely the removal of the, the sign on the drive through facade, but if I missed something I might have been taking notes. So I can review that as well with the applicants. Thanks, I think it'll have to be updated anyway when they move the entrance to to mass mass have just looking at the signage in total. Thank you. Sorry, I cut you off. No, my, I jumped in. Did you have a solar on the list as well. Yes, I can add that to in reviewing the checklist also review any weather weather solar makes makes sense for the development as well. I don't know if this was on your list but they may not be ready to provide interior floor plans or something along those lines but perhaps just making it clear where the location of the bike storage will be inside. Did you mention that. Yes, yes. All right, so is that if they cannot provide that though I think just at least telling us where, and then we can make that we can we need to put that in their conditions. Okay, so Tom, I believe I heard from you that you had at least a preliminary floor plan that you'd already begun to work on correct. Yes, that is correct. And what we do show on there where the bike storage will be walls and some things may be subject to change but obviously providing the bike storage will remain as a condition. And I assume even that could move slightly within the building in the future. Great. Thank you. All right, I think that's all that I had David Jean anything else before we move for a continuation of this, this hearing. Okay, so we should look at what date that would best be. So, knowing that you have a couple of things to, to take a look at I don't know that March, March 1, which is what in a week is maybe too soon so. Jenny I think the week after the next meeting after that is the which meeting so I need to pull up my calendar. Okay, so just work. We have pretty busy evenings on March 15 and 29, I believe. So I don't think either one of those evenings would be appropriate to tack this on. Please feel free to chime in the 29th is I'm looking at the schedule right now. I think both of them would be challenging but could be possible and April 5 would be very challenging. So I would just add that the public hearings for the town meeting articles begin at 7pm, as if they were advertised so you would have to, you would have to do some scheduling gymnastics to put this in at a decent hour. So that would, if we can't get them in those days that would push them to the 19th but that's what does help. No 19th is a holiday correct. I thought you said March 15 was not. We don't have a meeting on the 19th. We, that's a that is a holiday that is not a holiday but that just wasn't an evening that we chose. So it's. Sorry, I was talking about it. I was looking forward into April so. Okay. Oh, well that that is a holiday. Yes. March 15 is there there is room on the agenda you mentioned on on that date or. March 15 is basically your zoning warrant article hearings, and they are quite act that evening I believe is quite busy. Right so what I'm trying to get to is what is the next available. Basically, none of the currently scheduled evenings would be ideal so you'll you'll probably need to add a meeting in order to accommodate additional hearings. If not, then the board will have to just be aware of the fact that you'll have zoning warrant article hearings and then a public, a continued public hearing. And it's just not clear exactly what time that public hearing would begin. Right. We need to look at the eighth or the 22nd then correct. Do we start one of our meetings at six and start with them at six or is that too early. I could make that work. It's up to up to all of you. David. I'm flexible. So what, what date would work for the applicants and how many weeks do you think you would need to come back. What are the meeting dates the first or the 15th. It's not possible. It's really the 15th or the 29th, and it would be at 6pm. The time is fine with us with, we could do it on the 15th at 6pm. Okay. Why don't we plan on that and we will, we'll plan on that pending confirmation with the members who are not what with Ken, who isn't here this evening. I hear a motion to continue this hearing to the March 15th hearing. Second. Take a vote. Jean. Yes. David. Yes. And I am a yes as well. So thank you very much. We will see you again at March on March 15th at 6pm. Okay. And then I'll make sure just to confirm if Kim can't do it at 6, then they'll be at the end of the agenda on the 15th. Right. Whenever that turns out. Correct. Okay. Right. So earlier late is what I hear. We will do everything we can to make it early because I need a long night. So. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. We have one more. So the next item on. Our public hearing list. Is a docket number 2150 as amended by 2618 49 to 51 grow street. So this is the expansion and renovation of the public works. And it looks like we have a few people here to join us this evening. Good evening. Good evening. So Jenny, did you have anything you wanted to say to introduce this, this item before we jump in? No, I think I'm going to defer and let the applicant get going. Great. I just need to know where they want me to start whenever they do get on. If you could start with C 501. That's the site drawing. That would be great. Great. Well, welcome. If you could introduce yourself and your team. And if you could try and hit all of the highlights for us, we'll certainly get much more into the details as we get into our questions with you as well. That sounds great. Thank you so much. Thank you. I have a five minute time limit. I have a little stopwatch going here. I'll make sure I stay within that. Sure thing. My name is Jeff Albert. I am with Western and Samson. With me is David Steve's also from Western and Samson, our project architect. And Michael Rademacher is also on as well. The director, at least I saw Michael. Oh, there he is. A lot of faces on it. So thanks for having us this evening. I'm going to start with the project. And then obviously get into any questions that you might have. So the town of our length is proposing. A new and renovated facility that will support the department of public works. The inspectional services division, the facilities department as well as the IT department. And this will happen at the existing site. Located on Grove street, the existing town yard site. And that's where the project entails. It starts with the renovation of four existing structures. And these are on C 501. When that's shared, we'll certainly get to it, but I'll just keep talking. Oops. Looks like it's coming up right now. Thank you very much. So if you look over to the right-hand side of your drawing, you can see building a, B, C, and D. Those are four existing structures that are in the center of your screen that will be remain. And those will be renovated. And to the left of that, you'll see a building E. And that is a new construction, as well as some ancillary support structures, including a salt shed and the new fueling facility. This project also includes site improvements, including a new stormwater system, stormwater system, which includes the latest DEP best management practices, which is really great for the site. Sites located in an industrial district. I and municipal public works yard and associated maintenance facilities. And the site has several storage and office facilities are permitted use within this district by special permit. The site has several unique site conditions. And Jenny, if you don't mind, could you please go one sheet up to the existing conditions plan or backwards? I should say, I'm sorry, the other direction. So this, this will show you the existing conditions plan. And I just wanted to highlight that this site is unique, which has really helped to guide our development of this site. And you can see in the center of your screen, there's some shaded areas and those represent some MWA, MWRA sewer easements that had to be maintained. And just to the right of those is actually an underground broke mill broke, which runs directly through the middle of the site. To the left, you can see some shading the upper left. That's a high pressure gas main from national grid. And the site itself also has a historic designation. This project has been submitted to the Massachusetts historic commission. And we've also presented before our Arlington historic commission and mass historic commission has found that the project has no adverse effect. And based on their historic use of this site, the site also being a former gas manufacturing plant has historic contamination throughout the site. And as a result, the site includes a direct contact barrier or an engineered barrier to provide some separation between that historic contamination. And the site also includes a direct contact barrier to provide some protection against the damage or contamination. We've outlined the special permanent requests within our project statements. I won't go over those. I know you've probably had a chance to read them. I did want to mention that the new building does maintain its position along the street edge for a continuous street front elevation consistent with the other buildings on Grove Street. And we've really worked on the scale and massing so that it fits in as well as the use of materials. And we've also presented the site with the use of some terracotta tile, because that material is employed and used on the existing Arlington gas works building that will remain. The new building has been designed to meet lead silver. And based on our review of the current conditions, the proposed development has outlined in our application. We feel will not result in any adverse impacts to the town or the neighborhood. In fact, we feel the proposed development will be an overall improvement for the town and the neighborhood by constructing what we call a safe and efficient facility for town employees. And also serve the public. And it also includes the necessary improvements to be an environmentally conscientious facility for the department public works and the associated departments. And finally, a notice of intent was filed with the conservation commission. And the project has been approved in an order of conditions has been received by the conservation commission, which went through a detailed review of the improved storm water system for the site. And at that point, I'll turn it back over to you for any detailed questions. I know there were some comments in the staff letter and we're happy to address those as appropriate. Thank you very much for your presentation. And for the thorough package that was submitted, I appreciate it. I'll turn it over to Jean first for any questions or comments. Thank you. It looks like it's going to be a wonderful project. And something that I think will do the town proud. Thank you. Thank you. Most of my questions relate to what was in the. Staff's public memo and then a couple of others. One was the clarification of the need for the 135 parking spaces. Would you speak to that, please? Sure. So within that 135 parking spaces. It is set up to support the staff. That includes 67 for DPW. And 30 for I S D. And 20 for the IT department. And 15 for facilities. So that's a total of 109. On top of that, we've included five handicap parking spaces. As well as some visitor parking spaces, seven visitor parking spaces. And also within that is are some town vehicles that will be stored on site outside another 14. That made up the total of the 135. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So the bicycle parking. That was mentioned. Yeah. So bicycle parking. We didn't get into the details of it, but the project currently includes three. We've provided three, three loop wave exterior bike racks, which are capable of storing up to five bicycles each. That'll provide the short term bike parking. So 15. Bike parking spaces. And we've also included five. An interior five bike angled racks similar to those manufactured. If you're familiar with peak bicycle racks. So we've, we've provided an alcove off of the accessible corridor on the building to provide this additional interior long-term bicycle storage. Yeah. I'm not familiar with the racks, but maybe David is. I'll let him speak to the racks. Okay. That's all very helpful. Thanks. I guess just a couple of others and you heard me. If you're on before. I'm going to sound like a broken record. A couple of ways. One is new buildings, flat roofs, great opportunities for solar. And I think, you know, the town really has an opportunity. To model what we want other commercial and industrial buildings. So I think it would be great to take a look at that. Maybe the coordinate with the town energy manager. On that. I think it would be a big plus. For the town. Do I'm going to address that or let you go through your car. Oh, sure. We actually met with the town energy manager early on in the process and continued throughout this. And so the entire roof has been designed to be solar ready. That includes providing penetrations through the roof. So that in the future, that can be added as well as locating and designating locations inside. For the associated equipment that would be required. So that's all been accounted for in the design. We just haven't incorporated the actual solar. So there's opportunities to do. Our purchase agreement or other provisions, but the structure is designed for that. Terrific. Do you think that's going to happen? I mean, I know you'll make it so already, but will the solar go on at any reasonable time? We don't have a fixed plan for that at the moment. I can tell you that for the last. Five or eight years, we've been designing our roof systems for very similar facilities to be solar ready. And as we keep going back and looking at him, we're finding solar being added to him when the time is right. And it makes economical sense. So I would imagine that this roof will have in the future. Can I ask Mr. Rademacher if he has any thoughts about going solar sooner rather than later on the building? Sure. Yeah. This is Mike Rademacher, a director of public works. We fully intend to pursue it, you know, as. As quickly as we can with Ken's help, you know, I, I know they have certain kind of lease agreements with the schools. And I, and we may end up doing the same exact thing. We'll work very cooperatively with him. To get something as soon as possible. Sounds terrific. And also. I know you can't plant on most of this because of the barrier. I just wondered about the possibility of street trees out on growth street. And whether you've talked to the tree warden. About the possibility of those. So we have provided for street trees along growth street. You can see that in the image there. So we tried to maximize wherever we could put any plantings. We certainly did that. So we have made provisions to maximum extent, practical. And I guess the last thing, which was, I have, which was also in the staff memo was about the three parking spaces. In front of the building. I wonder how necessary they are considering that there are parking spaces. Right nearby on both sides. Yeah, we thought that from a operational, really more of a safety perspective for. People that are coming to quickly. Work with ISD. Inspectional services. Department. Instead of having to access the site to provide that ease of access out front. Also, there are students that are sometimes dropped off in this area. So this provides a safer area that is off of the main road. Is, is the front door and building a young growth street. It does. Right. Yeah. You can see a little entrance symbol. It's in the top left-hand corner. So we'll at least one of those spots up front, the handicap accessible. It currently is not shown for that just to, in order to meet the dimensional requirements, but we've provided one immediately once you enter the site. Great. That's all I've got. Thank you. It's like it's going to be a nice project for the town. Thank you, Jean. David. I think. The project is, is going to be great for the town. As Jean said, and long overdue. I think you've responded to most of my questions. I think you've already. With respect to the bike parking. The outside bike parking, I think you mentioned wave. Wave rack. And if that's, if that's the rack I'm thinking of, then that is actually not compliant with the town's bicycle parking guidelines. And I urge you to, to pick a different design. For the outdoor bike parking. Yes, I heard the discussion earlier about a change that was made. And I started to do some reading in the meantime. So I will certainly circle back and we'll make sure that the selected product meets that requirement. So I was able to find some information. We'll get that fixed. Yeah, we've, we've got an excellent bike parking guide. And I think that will have all the information you need. And also peak racks make several different designs of racks. Whichever one you're, you're thinking of using for the indoor bike parking also make sure that that's compliant with our guidelines. Sounds great. I'll check that. Other than that, you know, I understand the, the issue of the site conditions and. That you've done as much as you can with respect to greenery. You know, it's too bad that there can't be more, more understandable. I, I, I would like if possible. To think about a handicapped space as, as one of those spaces in the front, because it won't necessarily be obvious to someone entering the site that they will that they need to enter the site in order to access a handicapped spot. All right. I will definitely look into that. I think that was, that was it. I don't want to be repetitive with, with teens other questions. Thank you, David. So I'll actually ask a few questions that are more about the architecture of the new proposed. Building. So Jenny, I'm not sure if you could pull up the, one of the facade. But I, I still don't know if you can say anything about the building. I don't know if you can add more details or maybe the requirements or one of the. The renderings. But I, what I really wanted to ask about, and I appreciate you providing so much information, both in terms of the photos of the existing buildings and the context. The massing models of the entire site. And as well, the, the materials. I think the terracotta works really well with the, with the beautiful brick buildings. to is the way that the new building speaks to the existing buildings architecturally, specifically because the existing buildings really rely so much in their language on emphasizing the verticality and the bays of the building through vertical elements. And through kind of a articulation and change in volume based on the the function of the of the space. So can you can you talk a little bit about the kind of design intent for this this building here which which seems very much more linear and horizontally focused in in design as opposed to again I think every other building on the site which is very much set up in in kind of a beautiful repetitive base structure. So I am going to glad that you say I'm going to turn this over to David steves our lead architect. I'm a simple engineer. So you probably don't want to hear from me I definitely let Dave speak to that. I appreciate it. Rachel, Jenny had to step away so I'm driving. So if there's a better page to go to please let me know. I think this is a good one to start on. Yeah, okay. Essentially, this is quite the one of the early challenges of the project was that it's historic buildings are a series of small four to 5000 square foot buildings, and there's a larger original historic area of the site that was added to over time. And so the challenge was this is over 40,000 40 3000 square foot facility and mostly a ground floor facility so in terms of how do we cite it and integrated into the to the to the character of the existing facility was one of the early challenges and why we made some of our larger and more important design decisions and one is the massing by having. We have a two story administration administrative portion of this structure to the front of the site. So it carries the street edge of the massing of the of the building. So you have a road street so you have a continuous street edge and roof Eve edge is continuous. Pretty comparably to the original gas work structure along grove. So it kind of harkens back to the emphasis being on this front is piece without incorporating the larger 30 plus 1000 square feet of the industrial portion of the building, which is located to more rear So the focus here on massing and articulation of this volume was one of our most important emphasis of the design. And as you can see the it's more articulated with punched openings similar to what was done historically. It is a little bit more it's a little so it makes acknowledgements to the existing fabric in scale and size. And it's citing, but we didn't want to copy what was there we used some of the materials we knew early on it being an industrial really an industrial facility. So we wouldn't be able to articulate a lot of the corbelling detailing and the beautiful original brickwork of those old buildings. So we, that was an early challenge how is it. How does it speak to and heart and relate to without copying. So that that was our design approach. It is a, it is a contemporary structure and meets. The functional design of focuses which was trying to maximize the natural light and getting light to the interior of the of the spaces. It doesn't seem like it from this view but it is quite a sizable building. So getting light deep into the building is a challenge here. By making it for the user more welcoming and more open and have an engaging street edge activity that we wanted to relate a little bit more to this building than the historic buildings had, although it does have you can see we have a very glassy front first floor which is a very public space and engages the sidewalk and activity along the street so it's not just a flat wall, the whole building a the gas works building along Grove Street had an open archway in the very center of the building so it does have some historical connotations, but in a in a newer context in use. Thank you I certainly appreciate that and I understand the challenge of not wanting to be too referential to the existing buildings given the fact that it is a new industrial building. I think that as I'm looking at this, though, it's it's hard to make any connection at at all in terms of the way that it's it's currently designed except for the the material, you know the coloration and the materiality there and I like the contemporary elements again of having at this this corner, which which is your main entrance and I think actually you can't really tell from this view but I think at both corners you're trying to drive light through by having these these these glass double height. spaces. But what what what I really appreciate about the historic buildings and the additions that were added to them is some of the the break in the in the massing. So, in some of these spaces where where we do have these. What I'm sure will be really wonderful spaces to be in these these large double height atrium spaces, and, and the large expansive class that you have over the entry. If there if there is a way to articulate by pulling out or up in some way to to break the solid. The solid plane that we have running in in both directions there that's something that I very much like like to see. I'm not sure if that's something you've explored but I think that that would to jeans question to about where's the entry here I think that that would certainly help articulate the entry and also reference back to some of the massing of the the original buildings as well. So we're trying to see at the storefront is that is that a faceted facade. Just does that kind of jog in and out a bit I was trying to read it from the from the rendering there. Yes, yes it does it. There's a very slight facet to that wall. In earlier iterations of the design it was. It was glassy but flat and it was just really dead on the front facade and it didn't really engage the right. I'm, I'm, I see what you're trying to do there and I certainly appreciate the intent, the intent of trying to drive some additional visual interest through creating some shadow shade, you know, even small shadow there. I'm, I'm wondering though if it wouldn't be more successful to introduce some sort of a I think and it doesn't need to be the same size base as what we're looking at in the, in the existing historic buildings, but if we if we actually do add some verticality some some depth in between some of the sections that traverses the entire height of the of the building I just don't know that you're going to pick up that slight faceting to to accomplish what I appreciate that you're trying to accomplish here which is to to drive some visual interest and to break up this this long run of a storefront we have running here. So, I think those are those are the two things that I'm really looking for here and that I'm missing are trying to pull some of the verticality and the creation of bays in a in a more modern way you know obviously not in a completely referential way to the existing historic construction and to to to find those moments to pull out or up to to identify where you do have some spaces that that are programmed differently because that's certainly where again a lot of the the the beautiful pitched roofs and clear story that we have in the other building occurs so without you know again being referential and adding a clear story and pitched roofs to the to this building is there another way to to create some some visual interest in in the in the building and also again just break up these long runs of flat flat wall space. Because again I think that the existing buildings are so beautiful and so dynamic. We really want this building to to continue that that same that same language. Yeah. So that that's that's my. That's the only commentary that I wanted to add here. Jean and David did you have any other thoughts before we move to public comment David. I had a couple of additional related questions. So I think you were talking about the indoor bike parking as being located in a in a maintenance bay or something like that. It's in the in the shop. It's in a common quarter that accesses the shop and maintenance areas. Okay, so order actually. So I think in terms of trying to encourage folks to to bike to work. So having it in an area like that I think is is really good for folks who might come, come to the DPW ER in the morning but then be deployed off site somewhere, or be working in the maintenance areas behind behind the scenes. So I think for the folks who work in the office complex parts of the site. It would be more desirable to have secure indoor bike parking where their offices are rather than than in some centralized location. I know there's a lot going on in the site. And there's probably not as much space for things as as it looks like. But if you can think a little bit more about how that might be accomplished to give people that option. And then alongside that something that I didn't see on the plan but I could have missed because there's a lot going on there is it's very helpful to have shower and changing facilities for people who are bike commuting and I didn't know whether that was available on the site. Yes, we do have shower and changing facilities within the building. Okay, where is that. Let's see. Do you want to look at the floor plan or just a general description. Whatever's easier. It's in that front portion of that building that you were looking at. When we're looking at the rendering earlier. So we're all the folks will enter the building with right next to employee entrance so stuff can come in and access that locker shower and toilet facility. Is that in building building. Yes, sorry. Okay. All right. Oh, yeah, I see it now. Okay. So that response to that question. But in terms of thinking about citing some indoor bike parking in more convenient to the office areas of the site. That's something I'd like you to look at. Okay, thanks. So I had forgotten one thing which was also in the memo from staff, which is details about the signage that's proposed for 51 growth so that you know whether it meets the sign requirements. Next, we saw that and we checked the different regulations to confirm 631 I believe it was building signage can't be signage as well as monument signage and all that's in compliance for what we'll do is assemble that into a sheet and submit that. Terrific. Thank you. So with that, I will open this up for public comments. So any member of the public wishing to speak about this project, please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your screen. And I'll call on you in the order that the hands are raised. So as a reminder, please state your first and last name and address and you will have three minutes to speak. Next speaker will be calling Cunningham and Stuart. Hi, thank you. Yeah, Stuart Borson 73 Kensington Park. Colleen is sitting right next to me here. So yeah, I'm going to keep this very positive. I'm very pleased by this. It's, you know, to me the architects have done a job, a great job they've designed a building for the site. We respect the adjacent historic building, which by the way is the old Arlington gasworks building we actually produced gas here in Arlington coal gas. And anyway, I won't go into that story that's historical. The building faces the street, you know, everything that this building does is stands in great contrast to that that citizens bank building where they just basically took the corporate cutting cookie cutter building and clopped it into, you know, Arlington gasworks, but I have one question. And it may, you know, expose my vast ignorance and that's that's fine but the building is lead silver but I noticed that or correct me if I'm wrong, the windows are not openable and and that sort of, it means that everyone relies on a central air conditioning system for ventilation. And I know that this is how things are done these days. But it just doesn't seem right to me that you can't actually open your window particularly in the area of COVID when you know fresh air is so important. Can you comment on, you know, openable windows and whether or not that's feasible for building like this. I understand maybe the first floor you have security questions but on upper floors why not be able to open window and get fresh air. Thank you. And all the office so punched opening windows we do have an operable vent in every storefront window system so in every office and personnel space, there is an operable window so I definitely agree with your sentiment on having the ability to open a window and get some fresh air. So that's a real when you say vent that means it's actually a little section. Yeah, it's not a an old fashioned lift up hung window with it. It's a casement so it will it swings open. Okay, like at the town hall in the 50s edition of the town hall. Yes, fantastic. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Any other members of the public wishing to comment on this submission. All right seeing none I will close public comment I'll just double check the screens make sure no one's leaving at me. I don't see anyone. So I will ask Jean and David if you have any further questions and then I will run through the list of items that that I have here on my list to follow up on. Nothing for me. Nothing further. So I'll just run through the list of questions for follow up that that I have here on my list. The first is to provide an updated bike parking specification for both the interior and the exterior bike parking to also look at the location of the bike parking in the building so that it's easily accessible to the office areas. The second is to to provide details about the signage for the new building for building E. And the last is to look at the architectural elements of the newly proposed building to see if there are opportunities to break up the long runs of the flat facade. Did I miss anything. I don't know if Jeff said this or not that at least one of the three spaces that are in front of the building would be handicapped accessible. Great to look into whether that's usable. Yes, thank you. I missed that one. Just make a note. Parallel spaces. Anything else. Great. Jeff and team did you have any further questions for us. I do not I guess we probably should select the date is that correct. Yeah, that's the next. Yes, we do on our list here. Let's see so I think we'd probably be looking at a 6pm slot again right Jenny. On either the 29 by Jeff, the first probably isn't going to give you enough time. So I think the 29th is probably the next available time slot correct. Yes, that is 6pm on the 29th work for you and your team. For me, yes. Okay. And again, that will be contingent we just need to confirm that with with the other member of the board who is not with us is this evening. I can't do 6pm on that day. Okay, maybe they'll have to beat the end of the agenda. The other option we have is to, to add a short meeting on the 22nd. And we could always add the other go back and potentially add the other, the previous item to that as well. I think it's available on the 22nd. I say with regret. I hate to add another meeting but at the same time I also know that those will be very long meetings. David, your, your thoughts on adding another meeting to capture these two continued. I may have an issue on the 22nd. I have an appointment I need to keep. I'm not sure how I'm going to feel afterwards. No, I totally understandable. So. We put them at the end of the agenda on the 29. We could. I'll apologize in advance. It's going to be a long, long night, Jeff and team. All right, I enjoyed listening to you guys tonight. So it was interesting. So no, no worries. Okay, so let's plan on. We'll work on the agenda for the 29th. And if there's anything we can do to, you know, to. To move that up in the agenda will do that, but we'll work on on the timing for that with you. Okay, that sounds great. Yeah, at this point on the 29th, you have everything starts at 7pm. And it is a, it's a back to packed evening. So you would not be able to get these folks on until possibly 9pm. Or even later, just looking at the, the rundown. In COVID days, I can sit here and get a lot of work done. So no worries on our behalf. Watch and we'll wait, wait until you're ready. As long as you guys are up for it. I know that that's a long night for you, but we can make it easier. What's another 20, 30 minutes at that point. Okay. Great. So do I hear a motion to continue. This agenda item to the 29th of March. Second. So we'll take a roll call vote gene. Yes. David. Yes. I am a yes as well. So thank you all for being here this evening and we look forward to seeing you on the 29th. Thanks for having us to appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So that closes our public hearings and agenda item one. So we will now move to agenda item two, which is an update on the special permits that were issued by the redevelopment board from 2016 to 2021. Jenny, I'll turn it over to you. Sure. Well, this was actually an agenda item requested by Ken. I'm glad to answer any questions about this very, you know, basic memo that just simply outlines the project address. And the status of whether or not something was built or installed or it's in progress. And this is representative of the boards permitting from 2016 through 2020. I'm glad to do that, or we could wait for an evening when can is present. I mean, can. So I'd suggest putting it. To a meeting where he's present in case he has any questions. About any of it. Sure, we can do that. I thought it would be helpful. So given our packet agendas coming through, I don't think that this is an urgent item by any means. So I think that we'll, we'll look for an agenda item after we get through the warrant article hearings to revisit this then. But thank you very much for pulling it together. You're welcome. No problem. Great. David. We can't hear you. Were you trying to say something? I didn't hear you. You're very faint. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can. Okay. I just wanted to say, I was pleasantly surprised that the progress has been made on so many of the projects. And there were really very few where, where things have not progressed. That was it. Great. All right, so we will. I'll turn this over to you. I think we can schedule our discussion on this topic for a future meeting. So the next item on our agenda is to. Review the zoning warrant. Article public hearing schedule. And Jenny and Aaron, I will turn this over. To you because I know you both put in a lot of work to compile all of these and to create a schedule for us. And I want to add to that, I'm not sure if we can do it. I know you both heard and Aaron can chime in, but basically I shared with the board. The, the legal notice that we issued that's already out there with regard to all of our public hearings. As you can see here, they are there at the time that we filed this, obviously we didn't have the warrant article numbers. The warrant is to be posted from what we understand by tomorrow. We will have when we have the agendas as we've done in the past will note the actual article number. But essentially as you can see the next meeting is the beginning of the warrant article hearings, and you'll see that on the first night it's there's some repetition from your very first hearing of last year, March 3. Sorry for the anniversary, but it just is what it is. So, we'll just leave that there. And then you've got a couple of new things, the marijuana uses a lot of the administrative changes that we've talked about already. I think, you know, the next meeting is is mostly that plus the continued hearing, and I'm hoping to have actually the MOU for the Arlington Redevelopment Board and 23 Maple Street tenants, which they've now left this meeting but that's the DPW and basically the town of Arlington. So, because it constitutes actually three different departments which you could see on the plan it's it, as well as DPW and instructional services, because it is actually moving from the high school as well and needs space. So, so I'm still working on that I had hoped that it was going to be done this evening but unfortunately it wasn't ready. So, hopefully that'll be for next week as well. On March 15, we have a number of hearings as well as you can see we're going to talk about the foundations. We thought that that would be a good article to talk about before we discuss the energy efficient homes on non conforming units that also addresses foundations specifically called out in the article, and then followed by percentage to increase the affordable housing requirement in our inclusionary bylaw, the accessory dwelling unit article, and the non conforming uses or I'm sorry affordable housing on privately owned parcels of non conforming size is the name of the zoning amendment we'll talk about that as well. So that's March 15. And then March 29, we have the multifamily zoning for MBTA communities, which may not take very long, but followed by the tear down moratorium, which is about what we understand about a moratorium on any demolitions of older small affordable houses, as you can see here in the language. And during that time to understand, we think a method of protecting these types of homes so we will, we are still learning more about that Aaron has been following up quite diligently with all of the petitioners with as much information as we can in advance of the hearings, and also just to make sure that the petitioners are prepared for the hearings themselves. Then we have a repeat article from last year which is the side yard sky exposure planes, followed by parking minimums, which is James Fleming who came to the board and talked about this, potentially before filing it. We have two articles that came to us through the select board, or by the Disability Commission via the select board, which are for a combination of requirements that would address accessibility standards and parking for accessibility. And then the last evening is April 5, where we wanted to focus on the industrial uses, which is the industrial zoning amendments that have been part of the economic analysis of industrial zoning districts, study that we've been working on, but by what is actually just the date change for the zoning map in the bylaw, which there's a section of our bylaw that simply has the wrong date related to our zoning maps so that we can show that it's been appropriately up to date. We need to change that. And so that's, that's pretty much everything on the agenda for those nights with the exception of the continued hearings that you now have before you. So is there anything else to add about these hearings that you want to make note of. No, I don't have anything else to add. Like Jenny said, I've been in touch with all the petitioners, or at least have sent emails to all the petitioners offering any sort of technical assistance I can offer, providing a link to that process and timeline that we had looked at at the end of January. And then just offering, you know, whatever I can do to help and then setting deadlines, so that we, we receive materials and can post it with the agenda. So that the redevelopment board and others that join us those nights are fully up to date. So I will also just note that everything that we have received to date has been compiled into a document that's posted on the ARB page stated February 11. So if the members are curious and want to see material that might have been published earlier, those articles from 2020 that have been deferred to this year to just get a can't think of the word, but a reminder of what those were from last year you can take a look at that document. Thank you. And so we'll review all of those and then I believe on the first is also when we will. So, we will run through and vote on each one of the, the articles that's on that agenda for the first as well correct. Sorry, the fifth. That's okay. Yeah, the on the fifth at the end of that you'll close the hearings and then deliberate and potentially vote, which will help us to then develop the report to 10 meeting. We will need another meeting in April to vote on that. I think we talked about this previously we can we can come back to that at another point but we will need to schedule another here meeting date to vote on the report. Great. And then, so that that's those are all of your that's a that's everything ahead for the next four meetings, but I also wanted to report back with Rachel. We joined john heard as the chair of the select board with Adam chapter Lee and the town manager. And, as well as dug time. And we talked about the we discussed this issue of the select board providing some feedback on zoning articles, and vice versa the the air be providing some comments to the select board on some town bylaw proposed town by law amendments or resolutions or any number of things and so I do want to also share that it looks like Jean you've got your hand raised. So I don't know if you want to, we can pause here before I talk about that if that would be helpful. I wanted to go back to the topic that we were just talking about which were the dates and the zoning by law amendments. And, you know, I know this is a crazy busy time, adding this on top of everything else. My request is that at least for our articles that we get the main motions more than a day or two or three or four in advance. It's a great time to look at them, because, you know, that's been a challenge in some other years where we've gotten them at the same time that the public has gotten them for public comment and we were making comments the same time and the whole point is this time that the board would be reviewing a draft of the main motion so when we went to the public hearings on them. They would at least been vetted once through the board and I'm not sure how that's going to happen with this schedule, but I hope it can. So, so as, as we mentioned, Aaron has been in touch or is trying to get in touch with every single petitioner. We've also explained the timeline and when we need things in a timely way. And we, you know, we've honestly that that's that is the very best that we can do. And this, this is the document that Aaron was referencing, which is basically similar to what we've been using now I think a number of number of town meetings at this point, which is which is on line this is what we can update as we receive things I think that at this point it's frozen in time from February 11 but this is what we're going to continue to use as we receive any information from petitioners. I think at this point that's if we have anything new just to share for the next meeting we of course can do that I don't think we have anything new for March 1 Aaron. I think that's really helpful and I know, you know, it's not necessarily easy to get people to give us things far in advance. I'm wondering if all of the bylaws that the ARB is put in has the main motion wording. Oh yeah, yes, everything, everything that we've done has a yeah we're we're all set we've met our we've met our own standards. Okay, great. Thankfully, so you know I don't, unless I'm missing something I don't think that there's anything further for us we're really just trying to reach out to petitioners. You know part of the issue is the warrant itself has not been posted yet. That's that's part one of an issue and two is sometimes working with petitioners to understand what it is that they need to provide us with seems to continually be challenging to communicate that their warrant article is not the same as the amendment to the zoning bylaw, and they will often need assistance from our staff to understand what that means and so Aaron does a wonderful job of making sure that people understand both what they need to do and why. But we can only that's that's the best we can offer. And where is there. Is it on the website now. It's on the air bees page. It's it's right. I see. It's over here right on your, right on your page. So it's, you could see when I just changed. Right. Yeah. So it's under 2021 annual town meeting it's the first document here. Thank you so much. And it looks like this. Just to follow up on that. I think this goes back to our earlier, our discussion, a couple of meetings ago about communicating to the public about the desirability of engaging with us early in the process so that we can have some some discussion as we have had with with a couple of the proponents this time around. So I think that that I think we'll, we'll make for better articles and, you know, when we get to the hearing. We're not, we're not surprised by what we see, which may make it less likely for us to, to vote to move things forward if we haven't seen them. So, yeah, I think that sometimes petitioners recognize that that lack of communication may be a problem. You know, and they do their very best to describe what they're looking to do in greater detail but unfortunately that's going to happen at a public hearing at this point. Yeah. One last calendar thing and could you send me or maybe all of us just the document with all the meeting dates for this year on it. Oh yeah. I think it was in in one of the agendas but I don't want to look for it. I know I was going to say I think actually is that that might be on your page as well but I will I'll send it around. Thank you. You're welcome. And you're only scheduled out through like, June. Yep, I think we did the first six months. So, are there, did Rachel, did you have any other questions about those upcoming nights or should we migrate over to I didn't do you want to return to the topic you had started to discuss about our meeting. Yeah, no problem. We ran through the draft warrant as it was when we met, which has not dramatically changed from what will be posted tomorrow. And we discussed four articles that we think it would be great to have the board weigh in on, and I'll just run through them but I want you to keep in mind that we're going to have to tack this on to one of those articles as well, because the select board is of course, having their own meetings to talk about warrant articles throughout the next month as well. So we're going to, we're needing to provide them with comments in the form of a memo from myself on behalf of the board. We'll have to have time baked into some of our future agendas that we've just talked about to have these discussions so that those four articles that we talked about. Yes, as follows the first one is article seven, which is a rock removal requirement. Maybe Jean and David or only David I'm trying to remember this was 2017 special town meeting in the in December. We had a proposal for rock removal and talked about it and we voted no action at that time. It might might predate your time I thought that you were both both participating at that point but this is actually being filed by the town to buy the select board in order to address the issue of rock removal by way of chipping instead of chipping using blasting methods. And so there will be, there's some opportunity there for the board to weigh in on that. I don't know about any of these things a little bit more based on what I know right now, if you want article 11 is stormwater management we had actually talked about this last year. This is basically the update to the stormwater bylaw that that would hopefully address so many issues that come up so frequently, because we clearly need to update the stormwater bylaw we also need to be in compliance with the, the more permitting process as we've also talked about in the past. So that was actually a holdover from 2020 annual town meeting that's returning and is also being worked on by our staff with engineering. The other one is article 27, which is the real estate transfer fee. And that we had discussed also from annual town meeting 2020 in really, we talked about it. At the same time as talking about the affordable housing trust. As you can see the two, the two happened at a different time we already adopted the affordable housing trust fund. Now we're having this converse the continued conversation about the real estate transfer fee and Aaron has been leading these conversations we're actually having a forum on this. So we'll send you some details about that so that you and if you can't attend it'll be recorded. So anybody can of course view that. But we thought it would be helpful to get your just since you participated in the joint meeting with the select board to talk about housing issues and this came up as well as the trust fund. And you didn't have an opportunity to comment on the trust fund and I think you probably would have wanted to, but unfortunately timing was so compressed with special town meeting in the fall. So we'd like to give you that opportunity. And then the last one is there's a committee on resident residential development for our zero through our four. That is being proposed to this was also from annual town meeting in 2020. That's back and we think also sharing the board's point of view on that would be valuable. And then from just for a second the select board is planning to provide some comments on the industrial uses energy efficient homes and ad use. So before your hearing or what by the time you have those hearings, you will have some feedback from the select board on those three articles in the form of a memo. So that that's, I think that's all I have on the sort of back and forth between the boards. I've got some comments to the board this evening in the form of a very short memo about the Broadway corridor design competition that may interest you. Since you reviewed the MIT students work on the Broadway corridor. You may recall that Barbara Thornton submitted a resolution for as a warrant article. And that is actually being that is being discussed still this evening at the select board meeting and I provided just a quick, you know, stating that the board had actually, you know, had the students come to the meeting it was well received there was good positive feedback the board is interested in Broadway corridor and making sure that we address some of the issues there but I'd be glad to talk about that further as well. So just a couple to have from my notes Rachel is there anything else you want to add. No, I think you covered you covered it all really this look forward is looking for, you know, any commentary specifically if we'd be looking to to endorse any of these particular articles, based on our comments and are the way that we interact with with these, these items differently than than they do. Jean. So, when and how do we make those comments to the select board and when how do they make their comments to us on the warrant articles that Jenny mentioned that they want to weigh in on. How's that process. Well, there's this situation where what what's going to happen is, I will probably have to go to one of their meetings during our meetings or not during our meetings depending upon when it is. I'll talk with them about these articles, and they will have an opportunity to ask questions and may then decide to provide some comments back in the form of a memo, which will probably come from the town manager on behalf of the board, and be provided to all of the same thing would happen with us we will have to make time on our agendas to to discuss our comments on those potentially four articles that I mentioned, and then I will need to provide a memo to the select board on behalf of this board, delivering our comments. And I would assume that the sooner we can do that for them. The better so if we could get that into one of the first two, one of the first. Yeah, probably one of the first two nights of our hearings I know that we're already jam packed on all of those nights but I think it would just it would be a spirit of trying to make this, this new, this new way of providing feedback and and better communication between the two boards I'd like to try and get that in, if we could in the first meeting. So ideally, we would do it sooner rather than later but they also do a similar thing where they so they, they will have a hearing and then the next meeting they usually finalize and vote. You, you wait until the end and deliberate and vote. So, so we would definitely need to do have these discussions sooner, rather than later. Again, these are not just so that we're all clear these are not, we're not going to be voting on these we're providing commentary only for them. And they're not a hearing, they're not a hearing for their board either that's not neither board has that jurisdiction. This is just to provide any comments. These are our comments we won't be taking public comments on. Correct there's a whole public comment process. Over at the select point. Make sense. So I had hoped that this evening, the warrant would have been up so that we could, you would also have a chance to look at it and say, Hey, you know, let's also provide a comment on article X or or any other article so you might find that after it's posted and we can share that of course directly with you. If you do see that there's something more that you would like to add to your list. You might want to do that and that's fine. These were just based upon our discussion. These were the ones that we thought were most relevant and also had come up previously. So, I noticed that the select board submitted to zoning warrant articles on behalf of other groups. I don't recall that in the three, four years I've been on the redevelopment board is that a new occurrence or has that happened in the past. I don't know about when the last time was that it happened but it of course is allowed under 40 a so this life board is allowed to file warrant articles. However, the disability commission is not. So, you know, that's, that's the only way that they would be able to file an article. Unless they, you know, yeah, or individually of course, or come talk to the board. There are other ways and I think given the timing and the nature of what they wanted to do and their own meeting schedule. I think that was their only way of filing their articles, which is of course an allowable manner to do that. Any other questions for Jenny or Aaron on the process which kicks off at our next meeting. All right. So we will move on to the next item on our agenda which is the review of the meeting minutes. So we'll start with the meeting minutes from November 2 2020. And I'll start with Jean to see if you have any additions or corrections. I do on the second page. Can you move to the second page points on. Let's see. The paragraph that's there that starts with Mr Watson about the line that starts with pursuant to section 615 of the bylaw says the board, the word is shouldn't be there. I should say the board reduced. That was the only comment I have on that. Great. David. I didn't have any comments on that one. I did not either. So do I have a motion to approve the meeting minutes from November 2 2020 as amended. So moved. Second. Any commentary. Seeing none. We'll take a vote. David. Jean. Yes. And I am yes as well. So those meeting minutes are approved. The next set of meeting minutes is are the meeting minutes from December 7 2020. Start with Jean again any additions or changes. Yes, I just have to find it since it's keeping jumping around on my screen for one. One second. Sorry. Why don't I go to David first will you pull that up? I'm all I think I had a comment and I'm also looking for it. Okay. Whoever finds it first. Okay. On the second page. These are just to download the paragraph of the chair introduced the second agenda item. Downfather on the page. There's a sentence that starts. It says he's concerned about the style of proposed. About three lines up from where your cursor is. On the far right hand side. It should say he is concerned about. Two more lines. You shouldn't say the style. Propose it should just say the proposed. Oh, no, I'm sorry about. The style of the proposed. Sorry. Thank you. I think I was probably that was what I was looking for. Actually. I think I was referring to the style of bike rack that was proposed. Right. For the short term bike parking. Got it. We did that together. Yeah. There you go. Those are my only comments. David, do you have anything else? Well, now I've lost it again. Oh, I think so. On page two. In the paragraph that starts the chair closed public comment and turn discussion back to the board. In the middle of that paragraph. It says Mr. Watson said he thinks changing mixed use spaces for more housing is not in keeping with the bylaw. I think what I, that's not wrong, but I think what I was talking about is. That. Reducing the amount of commercial space in existing mixed use spaces is not in keeping with the bylaw. Or mixed use buildings rather. Commercial space. In existing mixed use buildings. Is not in keeping with the bylaw. Commercial space. I'm pretty sure that's. Closer to what I said. Great. Anything else. Do I have a motion to approve the December 7th, 2020 meeting minutes as amended. Second. Take a roll call vote. David. Yes. Yes. I approve them as well. So the December 7th, 2020. Any other items before we move to open forum. Okay. So we will now open public forum. Any member of the public who is still with us. This evening is welcome to raise your hand to speak. You'll receive three minutes. And we'll ask that you please. Introduce yourself by your first and last name. And your address. Please use the raised hand function. If you'd like to speak. They're a couple of seconds. I don't see anyone. This evening. All right. Seeing no. No one with their hands up. We'll close. Open forum. Jenny Aaron. Anything else before we adjourn for the evening? No. Okay. Great. Do we have a motion to adjourn? So moved. Second. We'll vote. Again, through a roll call gene. Yes. David. Yes. And I vote yes as well. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for a roll call gene. Yes. David. Yes. And I vote yes as well. Thank you very much, everyone. And have a great evening. Good night. Everyone. Thank you.